Randoms Round 1 - Eurobike 2017

Aug 31, 2017
by Mike Kazimer  
Eurobike 2017

Eurobike 2017
Five Ten have a Velcro closure version of their Freerider Kids shoe on the way. Now if this only this came in adult sizes..

Eurobike 2017
The Freerider Pro returns unchanged, although this nice olive green color has been added into the mix.

Eurobike 2017
Ion's new Shelter jacket has a 3-layer waterproof / breathable construction, with a 20k waterproof rating and a price tag of 279 Euro.

Eurobike 2017
Ion have also added a new color of their K-Pact Zip knee pads.

Eurobike 2017
Funn's Ripper SPD compatible clipless pedals have a spring-loaded clip-in mechanism, and a claimed weight of 560 grams per pair.

Eurobike 2017
The EXT Storia Lok has a separate, custom tunable circuit to control the oil flow to the lock-out valve, and a price tag of 799 Euro that reflects its handmade in Italy pedigree.

Eurobike 2017
A look inside the EXT Arma HBC downhill shock.

Eurobike 2017
Coil sprung shocks are known for their linear nature, but the EXT Arma has a hydraulic bottom out adjustment that makes it more progressive towards the end of its stroke.

Eurobike 2017
MRP's Ramp Control cartridge is available for nearly every RockShox and Fox fork on the market, including the 40 Float.

Eurobike 2017
NS have a new 29er on the way, with 150mm of rear travel via a trunion mounted shock. MSRP for the model shown is 4199 Euro.

Eurobike 2017
These days, the only new bikes with 26" wheels are for kids or dirt jumpers, like the NS Movement.

Eurobike 2017
Topeak's new digital gauge can be attached to a hand or a floor pump, so you can have pinpoint precision even when you're deep in the woods.

Eurobike 2017
Race Face's Grippler lock-on grips are available in 30 and 33mm diameters, and a range of colors to match any bike.

Eurobike 2017
Crashing with a chest mounted camera is a recipe for bruised or broken ribs, which is why Camelback came up with this impact protector to help lessen the blow.

Eurobike 2017
Leatt's 3.5 neck brace is the lightest and the least expensive option in their lineup, with a retail price of $250 USD.

Eurobike 2017
Oakley's entering the road bike helmet market - will we see them step into the mountain biking arena as well?

Eurobike 2017
I spotted more than one waterproof one-piece at Eurobike this year, including this Vaude Moab rain suit. Just think, you'll never have to worry about getting mud down your shorts again...although your riding buddies' reactions may vary when you roll up to the trailhead in one.



104 Comments

  • + 101
 Hey Five Ten how about Velcro for adults too?
  • + 46
 And BOA flats, please !
  • + 36
 screw velcro, I want flats with BOA.
  • + 12
 @MrLynch: Hell yeah! Exactly what I was thinking! I just bought a new pair of freerider pros and they are great, however, I never understood why all of these flat pedal shoes don't deserve a boa type lacing system. Clipless shoes are not the only shoes people want to be stiff, protective, and supportive. Also, shoe laces are just a plain pain in the ass! I would give my left nut for a boa flat pedal shoe! Five Ten, please take note!!!
  • - 23
flag RedRedRe (Aug 31, 2017 at 13:09) (Below Threshold)
 @left-to-fate: boa is for quick adjusting while riding. When your feet start to swallow. Like after riding a road bike for 4-5 hours. Or to tighten up before a sprint. Totally overkill for a mtb - unless u ride marathon - and the stuff breaks easily than a strap or laces.
  • + 12
 keep it down old timer....
  • + 4
 @left-to-fate: Yapping to one of the Five Ten reps early this year and they said they were scrapping the idea of BOA as feedback said they were vulnerable to damage. They are working on lace and velcro though.
  • + 5
 @RedRedRe: Boa is on running shoes now, and it's not for adjusting mid-stride. It's just easier than having to undue laces and re-tie. Downside of velcro is that it doesn't work when muddy and/or wet. Boa makes a lot of sense on cycling shoes, for almost all disciplines.
  • + 19
 Velcro wears out. Laces last forever and are easy to replace.
  • + 2
 @MrLynch: Yeah...that's better...
  • + 6
 @NotAnotherClimb: The laces in my Five Tens always rot and snap after a winter....
  • + 4
 @NotAnotherClimb:

Why do you need to replace them if they last forever? ;-)

But seriously, I have had the opposite experience. Not sure I own ANY Velcro that's ever worn out but most MTB shoe laces die after 6 months and are a PITA to tie / untie once they're muddy a few times.

And to @ka-brap's point, Velcro specifically works well I n the wet. It make no difference, its plastic. That's one of its great qualities.
  • + 3
 Check out Lock Laces.
  • + 6
 Screw Velcro, I want light-up shoes! with Velcro...
  • + 3
 @evildos: funny how people want BOA flats and I want clipless with regular laces that is becoming increasingly hard to find.
  • + 0
 @fatduke:
My buddy has the Spesh Cliplite and I have Pearl Izumi Alp-X, both shoes are used 2x a week trail riding, along with 10+ days of park riding (Whistler, Silver & Stevens Pass) and there has been ZERO issues with the BOA.
If BOA can handle over 100,000ft of descending at Whistler in a 3 day weekend, I'm sure BOA can hold hold up just fine on some flats. Id love some for when I ride the dirt jumper.
  • + 1
 But the green is so pretty IMO.
BTW, anyone have experience with the "K-Pact Zip knee pads?"
  • + 4
 @left-to-fate: Shoe laces always wear out after a season on every pair I have owned. Love the new freerider pros as well. Add inside ankle pad, a lace cover or velcro strap over the top and it is even better. I love the idea of BOA, but even laces like what you find on Salomon trail shoes would be perfect. One pull laces for easy on and off with wire type laces that don't wear out. Can't be much more than regular laces and you take away the worry of BOA failure. Would happily pay a bit more for this.
  • + 4
 Please bring back the Karvers with boa lacing..
  • + 2
 What about those slip-ons that were bandied about earlier this year? Not for serious riding, but I'd like a pair for kicking around. Especially if they came in white marathon rubber non marling soles!
  • + 1
 @mrbabcock: I'm gonna try these out! Thanks man!
  • + 0
 @dawgman25: you sure are a good bullshiter
  • + 2
 @MrLynch: Dude, I was just saying what the rep said to me. Personally I prefer lace ups.
  • + 2
 yes please, Velcro straps, laces are just wrong esp when things get soggy.
  • + 2
 yeah, I don't know how to tie my shoes
  • + 1
 @lightsgetdimmer: Those look decent. My other issue is I would sure like to be able to find a 44.5. I hate Euro sizing cause it is so hard to find half sizes. 10.5 is perfect. 44 gets painful on long rides, 45 requires a thick sock.
  • + 1
 @iantmcg: lmao dummy.. You realize you're whining about 0.125 US
  • + 2
 @sourmix: 3rd year (winter riding) with a pair of freeriders, my laces are still almost new. You must bury them in your backyard between rides.
  • + 1
 @OrangeGoblin: replace the laces, how much would it cost you $5 ?
  • + 2
 @mollow: wait are you talking about 44 or 45. I ended up just wearing thick socks in 45's. It is less than ideal but better than foot pain in 44's.
  • + 47
 Does the Onsie come in pear shape? Asking for a friend.
  • + 14
 Or the zipper in the back... ok i'll see myself out now...
  • + 4
 bum flap please.
  • + 0
 MOAB Mother Of All Boobs
  • + 1
 I'm gonna beat the industry to it and start riding in my ww drysuit..

Really though, the major issue is that waterproof shorts only stay waterproof for a winter because of the mud abrasion on your saddle, do you really want to throw away a jacket every winter too?
  • + 5
 @L0rdTom: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a Moab drysuit is sort of like a tank top for ice fishing?
  • + 3
 "Oh I think you cum in men enough for all of us!"
  • + 2
 @L0rdTom: you jest but I once saw a guy Dh riding in a full fisherman's yellow oilskin suit. He looked daft but to be fair he was warm and dry and I wasn't.
  • + 25
 No comments? Crap! Gotta think of something...um. Norbs got robbed!!!!!
yesssssssssssss
  • + 7
 yeah buddy, keeping it old school, havent seen that one in a thread in a long time.
  • + 9
 His friends call him Norby.
  • + 12
 The Italians do know how to make sexy suspension dampers that will cost a kidney.
  • + 11
 An fox float x2 costs 749,- and that's just from the shel. This is an custom shock for just 50,-€ more...i think that's ok.. ps you can order them at suspensionandmore.com ????
  • + 1
 the euro version of the elevensix I guess
  • + 2
 @hamncheez: Except better - can't believe no one is giving this thing the props it deserves.
  • + 4
 @nicolai12:
It looks super neat, would love to see PB review it. Just finding user reviews seems difficult, I guess not that many of those around.
  • + 1
 @bastianj: with the exchange rate these EXT's are almost $1,200CAD here. Float X2 is $900CAD.
  • + 2
 Furthermore you get a second spring and a custom tune for your riding style and bike frame for just 50€ more than a very generic, mass produced Fox X2 Wink
  • + 1
 @Rusettipasta: It's worth every penny - two of the best DH riders I know have them and won't take them off their bikes.
  • + 1
 @bastianj: X2 without spring on JensonUSA is $300 USD without a spring. Then you can buy any kind/weight of spring you want and still keep it under $500

www.jensonusa.com/Fox-DHX2-Factory-Shock-2017
  • + 0
 @hamncheez: first i said fox Float x2, thats the air and not the coil. Then that's the official retail price of Fox in Europe.???? As the extreme shock is made in Italy,i took the European prices.
  • + 1
 Holy crap, just looked at the price for the float x2 2018. It just got worse. The now sell them for €829,- . So the extreme shock is now cheaper in Europe...????
  • + 1
 And the dhx2 coil still is €799,-....so same price but nothing custom.
  • + 1
 @bastianj: I linked to a $300 USD coil X2
  • + 1
 @Rusettipasta: i used to rode a Storia LOK for around 10 days before the reboud knob stuck and broke away, and now the Italians try to charge me extra, "the shock was open, there are parts in the valve we usualy don´t use" they say, funny because i don´t opend it and got it brand new.
i did the repair my style, ride a Öhlins now
  • + 12
 $279 Euro? Is that the same as 29" millimeters?
  • + 8
 I feel weird about that chest protector I think is a very good idea but it looks so goofy!
  • + 12
 the chest cam is already goofy
  • + 3
 Always cringed thinking about crashing and being impaled by cam. If you're going to a chest cam, I'll take goofy over POV of the inside of my chest. Curious to see if it hold up.
  • + 2
 @src248: chest cam best cam
  • + 1
 Just like full length pads, they look a little goofy, but they'll help keep your bones in tact if you crash. So just gotta weigh the risk with the reward and at least now there's an option for those that have cracked ribs before.
  • + 1
 Makes sense but looks goofy. Looks like a chair cushion taped to the chest
  • + 1
 Hahaha right! Might as well just wear body armor so everyone looking at your doesn't judge.
  • + 9
 Finally! Now there's even a helmet for dentists.
  • + 6
 and Silicon Valley techies...
  • + 1
 @max87: ^ I support this. Dentists are amateurs when it comes to dropping cash on stuff that is all show...
  • + 6
 I can hear Wayne now, "nice onesie, does it come in men's?"
  • + 3
 That was the hockey players.
"Oh I think you cum in enough men for all of us" was Wayne
  • + 6
 Waterproof Onsie?

Now that's what I called an old fashioned sweat lodge!
  • + 7
 Moisture be like: "I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!"
  • + 2
 People can cut water weight more quickly for sports that require a weigh-in! McGregor is sponsored by a bike company located in the PNW. Apparently, he didn't ride it enough. JK.
  • + 1
 I tried to buy the EXT shock here in Australia, after waiting for 3 months and getting no joy/replies from either DEFCON Cycles or EXT themselves I gave up. If they want to stay in business then I suggest they do something about the customer service. The springs also have a limited lifespan because they've gone so light with them, Push haven't gone down this path so I'll be buying their products instead. BTW, I bought the Fox coil DHX2, weight was 672 grams for a 200/57 including spring
  • + 1
 When a boa fails on you mid ride, you may as well just cut your foot off, the shoe wont stay on. But if your lace breaks you can simply relace it with the busted lace and finish your ride. Boas a great but when they fail, you need to replace the boa immediately. you can't reinvent the wheel......
  • + 1
 Looks like NS have gone Horst link as well. With the FSR patent having expired and so many bike companies using that general suspension layout, how about a tech article on Horst link and some of its variations @mikekazimer
  • + 1
 NS Snabbs always been Horst link, great bike.
  • + 1
 Yep, patent expired in Europe some time before it expired in the states so Euro only brands Have been using it for years.
  • + 1
 I ended up with the Push ACS-3 kit in my Fox 36, but that MRP ramp kit was pretty amazing, especially the Fox 36 version with the dual air conversion.
  • + 1
 Did the MRP smooth out the small bumps like they claim?
  • + 1
 @Levelheadsteve: it did, very nicely. Ran the negative spring 8-10psi higher than the positive and it was buttery.
  • + 3
 A onesie for every e-biker!
  • + 3
 those grips look a lot like Eastons.......oh wait.
  • + 1
 On sale for $15 dollars on chain reaction as well....
  • + 2
 @tigerteeuwen: All Easton stuffs now cheap on CR to get rid of it and the rebranded Raceface stuff super expensive, ARC rims, Easton sticker £33, Raceface sticker £79 I don't think the sticker change will make them any less rubbish though so I just ordered some rebranded WTB Frequency I-25's. They have Nukeproof Generator TCS DH Stickers on them but at £22 instead of £54 .. it's all in the marketing, getting what you pay for isn't true with bike stuff. Easton carbon bars did get my money though, again half the price of the ones with Raceface graphics.
  • + 1
 " Funn's Ripper SPD compatible clipless pedals have a spring-loaded clip-in mechanism " Why I just stick with platform pedals
  • + 1
 EXT, all those machined out holes are going to be a bitch to clean the mud and dirt out of.
Smoother models= easier to clean
  • + 2
 Spring-loaded cleat mechanism?? Unheard of!!!
  • + 2
 I want a waterproof romper.
  • + 1
 Yeah, forget about the looks, I have one from Dirtlej and it's absolutely great.
  • + 1
 @FuzzyL: It's all about the looks. A nice 3" gap between romper and kneepad at minimum is key.
  • + 2
 Diggin the shock jewlery.
  • + 1
 Anyone had first-hand experience with the ion knee pads?
  • + 1
 Jupp, ride them since one year. The most comfortable knee pads I ever had. I wear them even on the uphills, all day long. They are still in a reasonable good shape.
  • + 1
 @evernorth: thank you. Ill check them out in black.
  • + 1
 They work until the zipper falls apart - and that didn't take that long for me. I am not getting another pair.
  • + 1
 You lot must have seen these before www.dirtlej.com/clothing
  • + 1
 Those shocks look so nice!!
  • + 1
 Five grand for an aluminum bike NS? Yea, no thanks!
  • + 1
 Please tell me the ONSIE is called the GAPER!!!
  • + 1
 That ONESIE need some neon splatter, and a beer bong attachment!!!
  • + 1
 Can I borrow that green coat for my Halloween's alien costume??
  • + 4
 Can I borrow that green coat for my colostomy bag?
  • + 1
 is that a MTB Romper?

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