Randoms Round 1 - Interbike 2018

Sep 18, 2018
by Brian Park  
Interbike 2018
Hank the Tank is a damn good boy.

Interbike 2018 feels much more lively than expected, but it's been slim pickings as far as new products go—many brands have either shown their wares at Eurobike already or have opted to do their own press camps. That said, there are some gems here in Reno.

Interbike 2018

Alpinestars' New Vector Enduro Helmet

Alpinestars' first mountain bike helmet looks fast and ticks a lot of boxes. The Vector Tech with MIPS costs $179.95 USD, and the Pro version costs $149.95 USD. Weight (size M) with MIPS is a claimed 390 grams.

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19 big vents should keep riders cool.
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It has an adjustable visor for goggles, and is designed to accommodate eyewear storage.

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Lots of adjustments.
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Vee Tire Co's Updated Flow Snap

Vee Tire began working with the Propain Dirt Sixpack team early in 2018, using their own facilities in Thailand, from rubber plantation, moulding, compound, and through the production line, to develop a World Cup level version of their current Flow Snap. Apparently the team has been enjoying the new tire, with Henry Kerr taking 2nd in Junior Men's DH World Cup overall. Details on official release were vague, but it sounds like they could be available in Q1 or Q2 2019.

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Using their "gravity core" casing and a new ultra-soft compound that feels close to fresh gummy-bear consistency, the tire has higher centre knobs and less angled side knobs compared to the standard Flow Snap.
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Vee produced some "Go Thailand" as well as "Go UK" and "Go Austria" hot patches for their athletes at World Champs.

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Lupine's 7200 Lumen Alpha Light

Yep, 7200 lumens. Honestly, you might not be able to ride with other people with this light, but damn. With winter approaching the thought of strapping what feels like the full force of the sun onto your bike sure sounds good.

The Alpha is IP68 water resistant and IK09 impact resistant, and combines 3 kinds of lenses (ultra-wide angle, 22°, and 18°) to dial in the beam pattern. It also mounts via quick release system that centres it at the front of your stem.

All that power does come with a price, in this case $1,365 USD.

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The battery has 6.9 Ah, and will last for 1 hour and 20 minutes at the full 7200 lumens, provided you go fast enough to keep the heat management from kicking in.
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There's an app that lets you customize different light mode profiles.

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Colour temperature is a cool 6000K from Cree XM-L2 and XQE HI LEDs, but their German site shows an option for a warmer tint as well.

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Osprey's Savu Hip Bag

Introduced earlier this year, Osprey's Savu hip bag has lots of nice details, like an angled hip-belt that is designed to minimize interference during pedalling. Everything cinches up nicely and it looks like they've worked hard to provide a snug, stable fit.

They also had images of a larger Seral hip bag that's a Troy Lee collab, but no physical samples. We'll keep our eyes out for that as well. Pricing TBC.

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The bottle holders hold their shape and make it easy to put your bottle back in, or you can unsnap the holders and run the bag flat without bottles. Slick.
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Separate phone pocket for the gram.

Stay tuned for lots more...

Mentions: @AlpinestarsMTB


  • 154 3
 Please lead all posts with a dog. He looks to be a very good boy and the fact that he’s included is starting to give me hope.
  • 62 1
 10/10 Would pet
  • 19 0
 As soon as I saw the dog I hoped Ezra would chime in. Did not disappoint. You're a good boy Ezra!
  • 7 3
 I have pet Hank at least 15 different times in this whole interbike period.
  • 28 0
 I was really hoping to learn more about the dog...
  • 16 0
 Hank belongs to Drew Hunter, who also owned the late, great Carl, seen here at Interbike 2016: www.pinkbike.com/photo/13969547
  • 23 0
 Sign me up for a Fox LiveValve and that 7200 Lumen light! That's like $4000 of electronics ON YOUR BICYCLE.
  • 11 0
 Don't forget the XTR Di2...
  • 11 0
 And the quark tire pressure monitors.
  • 6 0
 @Trudeez: shock wiz too...
  • 4 0
 And Magura Vyron eLECT.
  • 1 0
 And the crank power meters, and a GPS/computer thing
  • 1 0
 @lumpy873: and sram axs
  • 13 2
 7000 lumens is $1300??? for $300 you can get a 4000 lumen gemini titan, 2 of those is still under half of this over engineered monstrosity. does it even have a bar mounted remote at least?
  • 6 0
 I'm curious if they're using legit testing. Most lights announce at high lumens like that but the taper off is super fast.

I'd rather have something like two Blackburn Dayblazer 1100's. Could do that for about $160 and I know those lights go through legit testing and the lumens don't taper in 15 minutes. Figure that the average car's high beam is 11-1200 lumens... having two day blazers is like driving with your high beams on.

4000 lumens on the gemini titan is plenty.
  • 6 0
 If I run my 2000 on full bright on my lid my buddies get seriously shadow blind. Running that high is unnecessary and ignorant of you aren't leading the group
  • 6 0
 @Gmang: yeah, after a certain point you're just making the darkness darker
  • 11 0
 Yep it comes with a bar mounted remote. Honestly I'm sure there are a dozen ways to get cheaper lumens-per-dollar, but you're rarely just paying for a reflector, LEDs, and a battery—the expensive stuff to develop is the firmware, the heat management stuff, etc.

No verdict on it at this point, but I think it's cool that someone's making it and I bet it helps bring down the cost of super powerful lights in the future.
  • 2 0
 The bright settings are awesome for making out what animal is on or near the trail when you see glowing sets of eyes 300ft away.
  • 7 0
 7200 lumens! That would shine right through trees and rider in front. Shit you could shine it through your skeleton instead of X-rays.
  • 5 4
 Total rip off... there's no way that price tag is remotely justifiable beyond just being a prank.
  • 3 2
 @badbadleroybrown: yeah the price on that is insane, a nitecore concept 2 is 6500 lumens for less than 1/6th the price. The no name brands from China are even cheaper. My nitecore hc30 and now hc33 have been way better than my old bulky heavy weak serfas lights.
  • 2 1
 WTF... because you need 7200 lumens... NOT. I'm got 800 (proper lumens) and it does me for most things.
  • 3 1
 Don't worry, they offer less bright lights too for less money. So if you're after less output and have less to spend, they still have something for you. Stop moaning about something being available that you personally don't need.

Lupine is a German company, everything is done in house. You can get spares for nearly everything and they'll repair your light if ever needed. Customer service is great and @IamTheDogEzra, you can even mail their dog if you're feeling lonely. I have no experience with their cellphone stuff, but the built in battery management software is pretty clever.

Sure you can get a lot of output for less money so if that's what you're after, you're already being catered for. I just personally feel bad about a product if something silly breaks down and I can't get spares or can't get it repaired, rendering an otherwise fine product useless. It won't happen here.

I currently ride with an older model of their Piko light. I think it has 500 lumen max, the current model has three times as much power (and even their smallest Neo light is brighter).
  • 3 0
 @vinay: Back here in reality... There's no excuse for that price; not battery management software, not lumens, nothing. It's pure comedy you'd even try to defend that price. That's more that what I paid for the 30" RIGID light bar on the bumper of my truck... and aside from putting out way more light, that's got GPS integrated beam selection. This thing is just an April Fool's day joke five months late.
  • 1 0
 @onemanarmy: Do you have a Blackburn Dayblazer? Was considering one but can't find any reviews.
  • 2 2
 @badbadleroybrown: A price doesn't need an excuse so I'm not going to bother with that. I didn't defend the price, I just merely help you understand the reason why one product is more expensive than the other.

I can imagine you're having a hard time demanding excuses for the asking price when shopping. Or well, I'd like to see that actually. Now that would be pure comedy.
  • 3 4
 @vinay: Wanna try that again... but in English this time? I don't speak butthurt fanboy.

The only reason this product is priced the way it is is that fools like you are willing to defend it... which you are. You're yapping away about battery management and customer service and spare parts as though that's not the basic expectation of a company and can't be found from any of the other top manufacturers for less than half the price. This product is a joke, and not a funny one.
  • 2 0
 @casman86: I have a bunch of blackburn products. So far I haven't found one that didn't live up to expectations.

I have I think 6 different Blackburn lights that I run for different purposes. This is a good light... depending on your needs.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: Cob leds are now cheap.
These little Cree lights are old news.
Yet most aftermarket car lights and bike lights are using the old teck.
Cob leds are far more powerful.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: You make a very good point in that this will help bring down the cost for future bright lights. The trickle down effect from high-end products eventually becoming "The Standard".

There are many reasons's this light package costs what it does and I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain that to people that are just going to find any reason to debate. It's the same paradigm as the high-end $10,000 Trek or Specialized bikes that pave the way for more affordable products down the road. If lights like this weren't being produced now there won't be lights this bright for half the cost in the future.

One thing I will say that seems to be missing here are what you get in mid-level light range. The post talks about the high power run times, but what it's missing is how much middle range there is. When 7200 is max (which in reality max is rated higher but Lupine round down, not up) what about the middle range lighting that can be programmed to get the most light per run times.

And bottom line if it's too expensive for you, then buy what you can.
  • 2 1
 @badbadleroybrown: It was in English already. Seems like you have a hard time reading English, apparently? Don't worry. You know what? Let's use this Pinkbike platform for you to practice your language. Doesn't matter if it makes sense or whether it is just your regular nonsense. I understand it won't be easy, but you won't get anywhere unless you practice. So just go ahead. Keep trying. I'll kindly drop by every now and then to encourage you.

So there you go. Give it all you've got!
  • 1 4
 @vinay: See... you think you're speaking english but, really, all your doing is writing a bunch of poorly punctuated words that fail to convey a coherent thought.

Regardless... if you feel there's some technology that warrants a bicycle light being priced in the same range as GPS integrated trophy truck lighting, feel free to elaborate on what that technology is. Referencing customer service and all that nonsense that's standard practice for all companies doesn't justify the cost.

This isn't about being able to afford it or wanting to buy it... it's about the simple reality that bicycle and accessory manufacturers have run amok in their pricing because fanboys like you think a $1300 light on your bars is impressive somehow. If you enjoy being robbed, I'm not here to judge your kink... but we as consumers need to stop accepting this bullshit. Guarantee you that setup costs less than $200 per unit to produce... charging $1000+ for it is borderline obscene.
  • 1 1
 @badbadleroybrown: Even if set up only cost $200 per unit, there are a lot more variables you're leaving out. Everything from R&D, sourcing materials and the cost of all the other parts that go into a $1300 kit, not to mention this is a smaller German brand working in a niche market. From that perspective you can't compare these lights to something like NiteRider or Light and Motion etc. It's like comparing Knolly bikes to Specialized. They may both be fruit but it's apples to oranges...
  • 1 3
 @Local717: $200 is inclusive of all variables... and still a very generous estimate. Realistically, it's almost certainly sub-$100 per unit.

It's a light system... there's very little R&D, literally no new technologies incorporated, minimal hardware programming and even less software.

Setting aside the reality that inefficiencies in their scale of manufacturing isn't a justification for pricing; last I checked, Knolly and other "boutique" builders aren't charging 3-5x times what larger competitors were.
  • 4 0
 @badbadleroybrown: "It's a light system" is the problem here. There is A LOT more R&D, etc. that goes on here than you're aware of. It seems like you are devaluing a product because you think it should only cost a certain amount because it's just "a light system"...
  • 1 1
 @Local717: No... there's really not. I've personally done everything that would be required to build such a 'system' over the years and can say with certainty that you are vastly overstating and overestimating what goes into creating this.

There is zero revolutionary tech in this system, zero ground breaking innovation... this is nothing but application of existing technology with very limited custom programming. Like I said, if you're into overpaying... that's cool for you. But suggesting that consumers should be accepting of this level of price gouging is absurd.
  • 4 1
 @badbadleroybrown: Then please build this light system and prove that it can be done for a fraction of the cost. I would love to see you're version of a 7200L system.
  • 1 2
 @Local717: lol lol

Seriously... that's the best justification you can come up with? "Let's see you build one" is your answer? If I wanted to build light systems, I wouldn't have studied CS... I'd have become an engineer. And if i wanted to get bent over and taken advantage of, I'd buy this light. But, since neither of those are things i'm interested in... he we are talking about why only a moron would think a shitty little German company robbing consumers sounds like a good thing to you.

Still waiting on you to list some epic tech breakthrough or other real innovation that justifies this pricetag... got anything, aside from your feelings, to offer up?
  • 3 0
 @Local717: This light from Cateye has been out for years and tested at over 7200 lumens in a review I read. It's $799 www.cateye.com/intl/products/headlights/HL-EL6000RC
  • 3 0
 @Local717: I think the problem he is taking about is valid. If you have ever made things for a living you get a pretty good idea of how much it really costs to make stuff. If you did some research and ordered some things online you could come up with a decent light if you built a few models and learned what worked you could make a ridiculous light. I recall a company that had a light building kit does anyone remember this?
  • 2 0
 I once did a DIY light kit 10+ years ago when 80-100 lumens was considered the max at the time and LEDs were still relatively uncommon. It was a pretty basic circuit with a buckpuck, battery, switch, and LED. The LEDs were super cheap to buy vs complete lights at the time and the hardest part was cooling, mounted the LEDs on some old cpu heatsinks with thermal paste and glue.

Aside from that point, from a business standpoint if you need to markup your products cost 15x to bring it to market while covering your R&D costs when very good competing products are already available for say a 2-4x markup, it would be pretty stupid to bring that product to market at that price and you shouldn't have wasted your time and money on R&D in the first place.
  • 1 0
 I have a 700 lumen Duracell from Costco... works great for me... but honestly, I'd take that light over Tune ceramic hubs, just for the fun factor alone. Big Grin
  • 3 0
 @Kitejumping: I really doubt it puts out 7000 proper lumens. I have had cheap lights and they are great when they work but a PITA when they fail when you really need them. IMO it is better to stick with something that has at least some R+D and testing behind it.
  • 1 0
 @fartymarty: yeah, I would doubt it too, I've been quite happy with a nitecore hc33 though, 1800 lumens on high, weighs only 51g, and doesnt have a bulky external battery pack. Most of the time I only use the 240 lumens setting. 7000 lumens is kind of unnecessary unless you have some kind of eyesight problem or just want to blind anyone that happens to look in your direction.
  • 1 0
 @badbadleroybrown: Honestly, if you're as smart as you claim, build a light and put your brain where your mouth is... You make yourself sound so intelligent and know everything than this should be no problem at all.
  • 3 0
I have seen the wifi lighting managment app on other lights so it's modular.
All leds run at five volts.
One watt produces approximately 300 lumens.
All the parts can be purchased on E bay .
Two ten watt COB LEDs with six 18640 batteries would be the power.
The reflector and housing are perhaps a few dollars as they are mass produced .
Two COB leds 50$
Fancy app circuit probably 10$
Will work just fine with out fancy software.
Six batteries at 12$ each 72$
Reflector and housing I'm guessing 10$
Wiring and labor 10$
This is based on buying in bulk from china .
My cob unit would have much better colour and a greater lumen out put.
Thee are built COB grow lights on E bay for under 200$.
Just using E bay parts I could easily build a 20 watt or 30 watt led light for about 200$
20 watts is about 6000 lumens
30 watts is about 9000 lumens.
All you need is to know how to solder wires and have perhaps a high school education.
Didn't some one on PB do a start up company for a bike light?
Pretty easy to understand actually.
  • 2 0
 @Sshredder: Damn you just did all the work for @badbadleroybrown I wanted to see his version of a light.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: Agreed. Lupine make quality stuff. I have one of the very first Wilma LED lights bought about 10 years ago. Still going strong as is the battery and it's a great light to ride behind. Advanced for the time. Each beam adjustable for intensity to your own preference. They might seem expensive but, when you get that sort of life out of a product its represents brilliant value to go with the brilliant performance.
  • 3 0
 The Osprey Savu looks like a major improvement on the Talon. The strap of the Talon is too thin and so the bag bounces everywhere, even when half full (or half empty, if you are that guy). I see that they did however retain those elastic water bottle retainer straps, which don't work well with one hand. So there you go...
  • 2 2
 It's a fanny pack!! major improvement? Hahaha!
  • 6 1
 That light is crazy! I want, I need....holy crap $1400. Honey all I want for Christmas is a new bike light
  • 2 1
 should keep the tree brightly illuminated
  • 9 0
 rip all other trail users
  • 2 1
 You could have a lot cooler Christmas presents for $1400. Hell... I thought Burton was retarded for releasing their Fish in that price range but I'd gladly pay for that over a light.

You can get plenty of light for $200-400.
  • 2 0
 That light will light the tree on fire
  • 4 0
 I buy whole bikes for that kinda scratch
  • 3 1
 After trying the osprey and the rei generic hip bag, it was an easy choice to go with the rei version. I've spent hundreds of miles bikingacross new Zealand while using a hip bag on an enduro bike. I know what is going to not shake around, and not work poorly. Really not a fan of that osprey version, although osprey sure looked cooler ... for a fanny pack.
  • 2 0
 Link to REI version please.
  • 4 1
 “We’ve already exceeded our weekly quota of ebike news, quick put some dog pics up, that’ll quiet em down” - Brian Park, maybe.
  • 2 0
 Yesterday was eMTB day for sure.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: can that day die and never come back? please? thanks.
  • 1 0
 Holy crap. That light has left me speechless. Between the price tag and the lumens... wait, which is which? Razz And here I thought my 700 lumen Duracell from Costco was awesome...
  • 3 0
 I'm enjoying all the light animosity!
  • 1 0
 Osprey makes some great packs, but i wouldnt want the Savu, having a bladder is much more efficient to drink from. I love my Camelbak Repack LR!
  • 3 0
 Lights, the ONLY thing with a battery I want on my bike.
  • 14 0
 not me...I use two whale oil lanterns on a bar-mounted stick w/ custom made anti-sway device.
  • 2 0
 Throw a couple of those lights on your Nicolai and burn the whole contraption down to a pile of molten slag.
  • 2 0
 One of my pet hates is when people use two exclamation marks, as if it in some way increases the level of exclamation!!
  • 2 0
 My sister (and I'm sure, others) calls exclamation marks 'screamers'. Very handy for reading out texts and tweets to others, e.g. "Why are you doing this to me screamer screamer. Your own sister eff eff ess screamer screamer screamer."
  • 2 0
 Enjoying the double exclamation mark on the "GO THAILAND !!"
  • 1 0
 ride at nite? maybe in a park. not for me anymore.....cougars need to eat too!
  • 1 0
 That Savu Hip Bag looks really cool! Big Grin
  • 1 0
 Osprey bag is really nice...will put it on the list.
  • 2 2
 Rather look at more dog pics then the rest of this
  • 1 0
 Two words - FANNY PACK
  • 1 1
 Fanny.... Fanny! FANNY!!!
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