Final Results: Downhill - Crankworx Rotorua 2019
See who took the top step of the podium in the Crankworx Rotorua Downhill presented by the Professionals. Watch live here.
Women - Final Results
1st. Tracey Hannah 3:21.32
2nd. Kate Weatherly +4.80
3rd. Tahnee Seagrave +8.45
Men - Final Results
1st. Brook Macdonald 2:52.87
2nd. Finn Iles +0.09
3rd. George Brannigan +0.37
Full Results here.
LIVE UPDATES (PST):
19:42 pm: Men on course. George Brannigan currently in the hot seat with a time of 2:53.24.
19:47 pm: Eliot Jackson goes into second, +4.56 back.
19:55 pm: Alexandre Fayolle slides into second place ahead of Jackson. +2.79
20:04 pm: Bernard Kerr rides into second place, +1.72 back.
20:19 pm: Aggressive ride for Finn Iles as he goes fastest by 0.28 with 29er wheel in the front and 27.5 rear.
20:26 pm: Only 4 riders left at the top. Brook Macdonald on course.
20:28 pm: Brook Macdonald goes fastest by 0.09
20:31 pm: Couple near misses by Laurie Greenland, he moves into 5th, +2.12 back.
20:31 pm: Front flat for Loic Bruni. Sam Blenkinso last man on course.
Live timing here
19:42 pm: Men on course. George Brannigan currently in the hot seat with a time of 2:53.24.
19:47 pm: Eliot Jackson goes into second, +4.56 back.
19:55 pm: Alexandre Fayolle slides into second place ahead of Jackson. +2.79
20:04 pm: Bernard Kerr rides into second place, +1.72 back.
20:19 pm: Aggressive ride for Finn Iles as he goes fastest by 0.28 with 29er wheel in the front and 27.5 rear.
20:26 pm: Only 4 riders left at the top. Brook Macdonald on course.
20:28 pm: Brook Macdonald goes fastest by 0.09
20:31 pm: Couple near misses by Laurie Greenland, he moves into 5th, +2.12 back.
20:31 pm: Front flat for Loic Bruni. Sam Blenkinso last man on course.
Live timing here
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Hopefully someday we'll just all get over it and move on.
Don't think Conchita Wurst(=Sausage) form Austria is normal (from male to female and back to male)
I will say that is an incredible feat for any human being male or female, but surely there is an advantage over most of the field.
No human, born a man, with the larger heart, bone density, skeletal structure, muscle mass, motor skills/spatial awareness etc should ever be allowed to compete against women regardless of hormonal levels.
Disclaimer. I have nothing against anyone who wants to say they're something other than the sex they're born. [...] Just stay out of women's sport. In fact I'd fully support trans people having their own category. It'd make eBike racing rules seem totally transparent and simple but if that's what it takes.
You shouldn't have removed my post Brian. Sincerely, You're very wrong on this issue. Nobody is bullying trans people, we're standing up for women's sports. Do you know their are women who are going to pull out of the next Olympics if the IOC doesn't change its position on this. Trans athletes will sweep the women's medals.
You really need to get informed on this.
The rest question, WTH is up with Tahnee?
This is going to go south pretty quickly from what I can see. If we were truly the incredible community of people that I know mtb to be there is no ill will here to hurt or alienate anyone. I just hope we (community and race organizations) can find the answer and quickly before unnecessary drama takes things too far. What a great day of racing no matter what!
1: Why do you need an uncensored conversation, they are only removing personal abuse?
2: You are wrong about the science
3: Its you who will be on the wrong side of history
1: I said nothing that was personal.
2: There are 6500 genetic differences between men and women. Fact.
3: So you're happy with mid ranking males changing their genders and winning everything in women's professional sports?
Genuine body dysphoria is a tragic situation and I do feel for Kate's position but her genuine condition would also be undermined if a line isn't drawn in the sand regarding this. It's unlikely to happen in DH racing but imagine if she was competing in Tennis for example, arguably she has more right than many to compete with the women but what if a mid ranking male enters the female side after a year of hormone treatment and easily beats her and collects the prize money that goes with it? That wouldn't be fair to her would it? Unless you're racing against people who's gender is the same from birth, it's all a complete mess.
Interesting, there has been 50,000 people compete in the summer and winter Olympics since the IOC allowed trans people to compete, not one has yet qualified.
There are far too many differences between male and female to fairly allow an ex man to compete against women.
I have further comments as to how this is simply extending and bringing back mysogeny into sport.
"There are 6500 genetic differences between men and women. Fact." And?
"So you're happy with mid ranking males changing their genders and winning everything in women's professional sports?" This just hasn't come to pass, as I have posted elsewhere, 50,000 athletes in the Olympics since the IOC allowed trans athletes and not one has yet even qualified. Quite simply, with SRS and testosterone supressant drugs, performance is significantly degraded.
"Genuine body dysphoria is a tragic situation" It's not tragic, its a treatable condition, no need to pity
"arguably she has more right than many to compete with the women" She completely has the right to compete in the women's class, UCI has final say on this.
"but what if a mid ranking male enters the female side after a year of hormone treatment and easily beats her and collects the prize money that goes with it? That wouldn't be fair to her would it? " Is that possible under the UCI rules? I doubt it is likely to happen even if it is.
"Unless you're racing against people who's gender is the same from birth, it's all a complete mess." It's really not.
Men are not born with bigger, stronger everything, but are much more likely to develop said attributes.
I certainly agree that it needs to be discussed, but not all Trans Athletes are Bruce Jenner.
This is nonsense. [The prevalence of trans athletes] wasn't a thing until a couple of years ago so there is no point saying they haven't won anything. This [issue] has exploded in the last three years. Almost every sport now has a [trans woman] competing and reaching the podium places. The fact that it has happened in mountain biking so quickly should tell you everything you need to know.
Mountain biking rarely produces female athletes that can challenge the top two or three girls. And just out of the blue a girl who only took up mountain biking 5 years ago can challenge but she just happens to be a trans person...and with a straight face you are trying to tell me that growing up male offers no advantages over the rest of the women.
The trans debate is always my litmus test to see if you people are just complete sheep. If you accept this nonsense just because you are afraid someone will call you a bigot or something then you are a coward and easily led. There is no rational argument for allowing trans women compete with biological females.
"This whole trans fad wasn't a thing until a couple of years ago"
Ummm people were flipping their sht about Renée Richards in tennis 44 years ago.
"This mental illness/narcissistic personality disorder has exploded in the last three years. "
Sorry, do you need an emotional support YouTuber?
"Mountain biking rarely produces female athletes that can challenge the top two or three girls. And just out of the blue a girl who only took up mountain biking 5 years ago can challenge but she just happens to be a trans person...and with a straight face you are trying to tell me that growing up male offers no advantages over the rest of the women."
You are really demonstrating your ignorance here.
"The trans debate is always my litmus test to see if you people are just complete sheep. If you accept this nonsense just because you are afraid someone will call you a bigot or something then you are a coward and easily led."
Cool story bro, I support her because I believe in human rights and science. I am sorry you are unable to exercise independent thought, you are going to have a difficult life when you become an adult
Kate Weatherly: Well I had the advantage of growing up and a mans body, and everyone I compete against did not.
Interviewer: Wow, that so inspiring.
I understand and respect gender dysphoria, and the need for those people to transition. But at no point will a trans women ever erase her history and the fact that they were born and benefited from physically being a man.
We say we want more women in world cup DH. Will this encourage or discourage young girls to make the sacrifices needed to train/travel/ride at the elite level? I really want womens DH to grow. It benefits men a ton, too. Think about it- even though Rachel Atherton is faster than literally 99% of male riders, shes much closer to us speedwise than her brothers, or Gwin, or Hart. Her input on product development, setup, and riding technique is more relevant to the average rider than the pro men. We stand to benefit more, but not if womens racing dies.
If all it takes to compete as a woman is to have a predefined, arbitrary level of testosterone, then why not for the men as well? Let them juice up a little, so everyone is on steroids and has the exact same testosterone level.
Ummm people were flipping their sht about Renée Richards in tennis 44 years ago."
A 4000% increase in the number of people identifying as trans calls bullshit on your claim.
www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/september/4-000-explosion-in-kids-identifying-as-transgender-docs-perform-double-mastectomies-on-healthy-teen-girls
This is a fad and there is significant evidence suggesting that it is a mental disorder with a pattern of occurrence almost almost identical to anorexia and other eating disorders. This comes from actual research by real scientists, not idealogues who have a bullshit qualification in gender studies or some other subject in which it is basically impossible to be wrong no matter what sort of nonsense you say. Thankfully there now send to be some pushback against this nonsense.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/19/trans-activists-fail-block-research-suggesting-gender-dysphoria
"Cool story bro, I support her because I believe in human rights and science."
That's one of the best examples of cognitive dissonance I've ever seen. The science doesn't agree with this view at all. A few political activists who lecture in highly politically charged subjects that claim everything is a social construct are not scientists.
Disclaimer: Im a molecular geneticist working to improve clinical diagnosis of certain diseases (one of them happen to influence women more than men), so trust me when I say; @muletron you opinion is riddled with holes
But hey, you probably think that Richie and Jared are natural men too.
So we have juiced up men and women racing against natural men and women, a transexual former man racing women, and probably some other variations we don't know of yet.
Clear as mud as they say.
Kate Weatherly previously completed as Anton Weatherly. In 2017, [her] last year of competing [she] was usually 12-17% off the pace of the elite men's winner.
Since 2018, [she] has competed in the women's category as Kate and has kept up almost exactly the same level of performance as before transitioning. Most of Kate's results would be exactly in line with Anton's results, and some are even better. The hormone blockers clearly do Jack shit to reduce performance. If the hormone blockers did their job [she] should have lost at least 10% of [her] performance when becoming Kate.
So [she] has gone from being a complete middle of the road male rider to being amongst the elite of women and is now winning trophy's and prize money for it.
This is a disgrace and an attack on female athletes as far as I'm concerned.
I agree. It has been so bloody hard for women to establish themselves in any sporting genre.
Now mountain biking is at least one of the areas where women are respected and supported and admired
So now an ex man decided to get in on the action and spoil it for the women.
Can’t we just let the women have their moments of triumph?
Men spoiling things again...
If i say tomorrow i feel like a woman and decide to take a peek at women in the restroom is that fair to those women? that would cause them discomfort just as a trans person not being able to race as a woman would cause them discomfort BUT the line has to be drawn by a FACT not feeling.
final scenario if i say this conversation we just had makes me feel bad and i want you to be punished for it. thats not fair to you so its not about feelings. if it was where would we draw the line?
Also, while I concur that having developed as a male for many years can give a trans woman athlete some advantages over XX competitors, I find the idea that "trans-sandbagging" could doom women's sport--or even that it is a thing that exists--laughable. Trans women don't want to be women so they can have an unfair athletic advantage, they want to be women because the alternative is intolerable. Personally (and I recognize that not all women share this view and that it may be particularly marginal when it comes to sport) I am inclined to believe trans women when they say they are women--in other words I feel that your genuine self-perception and how you choose to go through life matters more than your chromosomes. Being a woman is hard. I personally find it kind of encouraging that some people prefer it overwhelmingly to the alternative, even when making the switch introduces considerable additional hardships (including making you slower on a bike). If Kate makes it to the top of the box someday, good for her.
Feminism is about equality..