Results: eMTB XC - Leogang World Championships 2020

 No.

 I'm interested in the comments section.

 @mnorris122: really?

 @dh-corn: Nope

 As a cycle racing fan generally, it's quite interesting that Pidcock won. But otherwise, not so much.

 @dh-corn: yes. And after they reach 25 km/h it's REALLY hard bike racing.

 @mnorris122: make it tandem only, tires limited to 1.75" width and add a few mud pits at the start of each lap. I want to see them really work for it!

 @thinkbike: I'd watch that

 @chakaping: I wonder if 250 Watts is a greater advantage for Pidcock @58kg. Power/weight ratio or something.

 @jjnelso1: Yeah, they need a bop!

 no

 I ride an e bike almost every day and i must say, this is lame AF

 youtu.be/tMKAZ53ucqw

 Yes it is nice to see Jean-Pierre Bruni on a world champs race the same year as his son!

 yes

 I'm interested in any race Sven Nys is racing.

 If you are not interested in it - why did you click on it and comment?

 @enduroNZ: therein lies the irony....

 @enduroNZ: Being interested in people's reaction to a shitty race is different than being interested in the shitty race.

 Better is a stage race where you up up the four cross course with a mass start

 both up and down the DH course. Preferably long enough to where if you use full assist all the time you run out of battery quick. The only way EMTB racing will be interesting is if you start having teams optimize bikes for certain aspect rather than put everyone on an EMTB and see who crosses the finish line first.

 That sounds good!

 Watch the finale ligure enduro emtb highlights with nico and Tracy. Bad ass ups and downs, and something like 40+ miles and hours of riding in one day.

 The ews power stage was probably more technical than climbing most dh tracks.

youtu.be/m3wlpdhsFNI

 I absolutely love e-bikes and I thought this comment was hilarious!

 next year we will have e-MTB DH also LOL

 yep I thought the same, so many racers from different disciplins: even Sven Nys...
maybe those are all hoping for a 2nd career path

 If you follow Sven on Instagram I think he's just doing it for fun. He did Dirty Kanza last year, which seems more in his wheelhouse but still a departure.

 Add retired GNCC pro racer to your list (Charlie Mullins).

(GNCC is the top offroad motorcycle race series east of Mississippi River in U.S.)

 The ultimate PE is electricity...

 Yep, just like enduro 15 years ago..

 What pro's will do just to say they have rainbow stripes....

 @neons97: Do the stipes have a big asterisk on them? Too hard to tell in the pictures

 Yeh it's OK, he can hide it at the bottom of the pile of rainbow jerseys he already has...

 @jenksy: twitter.com/Tompid/status/1309474801032007681

 chainless of course

 maybe e-slopestyle, the crankflip tricks will be nuts!

 The next olympics will have an e-weightlifting division.

 You're just giving out free ideas, you know.

Smart people can add a computer to enhance everything. I'm imagining enhancements that make it so anyone can do a tailwhip, which can also break records: e.g. world's first quintuple tailwhip, quintuple backflip, or 2160 degree spin (assisted). Add something that adds extra force to rotate and also force to control it all for a smooth landing...

E-weightlifting could also increase the challenge too. It's said that the reason why farmhands are generally stronger than bodybuilders is that they lift unbalanced loads. An e-component can simulate an unsteady load...

 Tell me how this differentiates itself enough from XCO that it isn't just an hour long advertisement for Big Electric.

 One gets the impression that some people think fat overweight guys can turn up and win.....

It's just another type of bike - an actually brings tactics into it; how & when do you use the motor? How much have you got left. No different to motorsport with fuel....

 @Starch-Anton: I like your very last admission.

 @howlcreative: Changes the ratio of climb versus descending. XCO is 80% climbing, 20% descending. This is 60% climbing, 40% descending.

Ironically, it is bias towards small riders. Little guys and girls get a way bigger boost from that 250 watts than the big boned ones.

 Yes, I too have long believed that e-mtbs are best suited to under-sized men. Now I can't decide between rooting for ebike racing to fail outright or rooting for it to evolve into a side hustle for horseracing jockeys.

 There are limited resources for bike races. With those resources they could have had a four cross, multiple stage DH race, or a naked blindfolded co-ed cyclocross race. Yet this was decided to be more worthy than any other option.

 @kclw: 80% climbing 20% descending? its a loop so how does that work?

 @xrob: Well generally people climb slower than they descend. Every minute spent descending requires 4 minutes climbing.

 MTBing was created by a group of people thinking out of the box, looking for a new exciting way to physically and mentally challenge themselves. This here is just a pathetic attempt by the industry to push a new format to generate more sales, and turn our sport into a joke. This is the antithesis of everything XC racing is supposed to be. The only watts measured should be the ones that your quads generate at the pedals.

 @howlcreative: "Big Electric" The most retarded thing I've read today. Bravo!

 @Chuckolicious: There is a massive industry-wide e-bike push. You're either willfully ignorant, or oblivious.

 @howlcreative: Wait, there’s a product that the public wants, and the industry is now promoting it? My god, will the outrages never cease!

 @Chuckolicious: This is the problem with you ebike guys - tunnel vision. No one here is bashing ebikes. I'm certainly not. We're talking about the validity of competitive ebike racing here, try and keep up if you can.

This format exists as an hour long commercial for ebikes, if offers nothing more to the viewer, and is advocated for by billion dollar manufacturers that hope to sell Chucky another ebike. You're defending an infomercial. Consumerism marches on.

 @howlcreative: Oh man, the irony of your tunnel vision quip. Your internal narrative and bias has rendered you completely disconnected from reality. First off, I don't own an E-Bike. My comments are public, so if you had bothered you would have seen that. But no, you're simply tasked by that narrative. And to say "no one here is bashing ebikes" Really? Are you friggin nuts? Is your narrative so overwhelming that you literally see blurry lines where people have written anti-ebike nonsense all over this comment section? Like the visual version of Charlie Brown hearing the waawaa sound instead of adult voices? Sheesh!!!

And you know what, even if you're right, this whole thing is a commercial. So. Friggin. What. Seriously, so what? Industries of all types do stuff like that. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But to get all wound up and offended, then claim kooky conspiracy theories, the hell is wrong with you man? Hey wait, aren't you the guy who said the disabled guy who was confronted by the a*shole hikers was a hoax? A commercial for his business or something? Yea, you are that guy. How can you look at yourself in the mirror, seriously?

 @Chuckolicious: Easy there Chucky, you're starting to sound unstable. Who's offended here? Where's the outrage? Who's talking about conspiracy theories? Internal narrative? Bias? Who is talking about... a disabled guy biker hoax? What?

You're confused. Classic "Grandpa found the Internet" comment. You are the target demographic after all.

 @howlcreative: Err, didn't you type "Big Electric"? And "This format exists as an hour long commercial for ebikes, if offers nothing more to the viewer, and is advocated for by billion dollar manufacturers that hope to sell Chucky another ebike. You're defending an infomercial. Consumerism marches on." ?

And again, just jumping to the conclusion that I own an Ebike when you could have easily discovered I don't. And claiming nobody is bashing ebikes here??? Kinda all speaks to someone wound up in their own internal narrative, and certainly a negative one at that.

As for the disabled e-assist trike guy, you sure that wasn't you? If not, apologies on that one!

 @Chuckolicious: With your inflammatory prevalance on this article and how adamantly (if not nonsensically) you seem to be defending this, I think just about anyone would assume you're the proud owner of an e-bike.

And Big Electric - as in.. the Big Electric Movement? I fail to see how this constitutes a conspiracy theory. Specialized, Trek, et al want to sell you their e-bikes. Again, you're not THAT ignorant or blind - or so I assume... surely you know how advertising works (hint: its not a conspiracy, or even a secret).

I haven't read a single comment saying eBikes are dumb. All I see is people saying that racing them in an XCO format is dumb. Nothing wrong with e-bikes, they're a great way to commute in a work environment, and a great gateway for old timers to stay active.

And yeah, you were also extremely confused on the disabled hoax or whatever. I have no idea what you're on about. Would probably be a good idea to double check things like that before losing your mind over it.

 @howlcreative: Aww, 'lil bub, you just did a bang up job of proving my theory that you are completely deluded by your preferred internal narrative. I know, you don't see it at all, and me telling you so just entrenches you further. Look, it's now on me if I choose tp let you drag me further in your craziness. And you're most certainly on the wrong side of history. Just like this skiers of old. But hey, they be your peoples, so at least you're not alone. With that, I wish you the best of luck. You're gonna need it.

 @Chuckolicious: Ah I see. I'm sorry. When I started this conversation I didn't realize you were retarded. Thanks for the inane reply that managed to somehow say nothing at all in response to my comment.

 @howlcreative: Cheers!

 @xrob: by time.... Not distance

 I hear this argument all the time and it makes me feel like the person commenting has never ridden an ebike. I demoed and ebike and in "turbo mode" was able to zoom up a steep hill while sitting down with my dropper post all the way down. If I had my normal bike I would have been cranking in my granny gear and gotten up in twice the time. It was that demo that cemented the idea in my head that ebikes are glorified mopeds. Is this not the same experience others are having??

 @fuzzhead45:When I see your comment I think you made up your mind to prove your decision to condemn ebikes and justify it to yourself. Had you rode the ebike like your own you would have gone faster and had plenty of fun if your objective was to have see how much fun you could have on it.

Its impossible to understand how riding a climb or rolling trail at the speed of an elite pro XC racer wouldn't be fun.

emtbs put out about 250w continuous and can peak well over 750w in a quick burst. Its simply unrealistic to not notice 2x to 2x your pedal input. Try a different bike with an open mind. Go to a different town and rent one so you don't risk being seen.

I own an ebike and ride it every day to work. I also had a Lapierre Overvolt demo bike in 2014 and I ride ebikes at work regularly.

My 09 Trance XO has a road crank on it and when I can mange to put 600 human watts in after 8 hours on my feet at work it will do 54 kmh up the Iron Worker's Memorial Bridge from north van to vancouver.

 @davemud: I'm not saying saying I didn't notice it, I am saying it felt like the motor was the dominate source of power (which it was) and made me feel like my pedaling was ancillary. That's what made it feel like I was on a scooter to me, and honestly if I am riding a vehicle that is doing the majority of the work(I can't sustain 250W of output for long periods of time), I personally don't see a point in not getting something more powerful like a dirt bike.

As far as commuting on the road though, yea I am all about that, I think that is a great use for ebikes.

 @fuzzhead45: Oy vey. OK, I can't resist. Look, your actual words: "turbo mode" That doesn't at all ring any bells? Here's the thing, yea, Turbo makes things super easy, except only for a very short time if that's all you use. I can't really envision basically anyone just going out for 20 minutes of Turbo. The overwhelming majority of Ebike rides will be a mixture with mostly Eco, some mid, and a very small amount of Turbo. Honestly, of all the wacko e-bike hating reincarnations of 1985 skiers (hating on snowboards), I've never come across one with your particular argument. Very novel of you. So maybe try one out again sometime. Somewhere with a nice big loop with lots of vert, and plan on doing 50-100% more mileage and vert than you would on your regular rig. You might just like what you find.

 @fuzzhead45: if you got on that bike determined to see how hard you could push it and to maximze using the motor and assist you'd have had a different experience.

Did you think to climb any steep tech trails you know you can't on your bike? Did you turbo as fast as possible up a flowy trail to see if you could match your average speed coming down it?

Did you do laps on the different settings to see how to take advantage of both its max power and just enough to offset the weight of the bike?

You didn't do any of that. You just parked your ass on it and proved to yourself you could be lazy on it. you never gave it a chance.

 you joking, right?

 @jardo: Yes, I am

 www.pinkbike.com/news/3-competitors-removed-from-world-championships-e-mtb-race-after-bikes-fail-uci-checks.html

 That's been corrected! 56:33 was the women's winning time.

 I know. I can't get my head around it. XC... but on an e-bike. I mean... I could do that. And there's somehow 18 mins between first and last with eight not finishing? Mind blown.

 @AlexSplode: maybe the tail Enders forgot to switch from Eco mode.

 Jack lost his chain Saw it on his Instagram story

 @AlexSplode: go ride one and you will see its not so far away from regular mtb as you seem to think. It just amplifies what you put in. If you don't push on the pedals you ain't going anywhere. If you push hard like these guys do, you accelerate stupid fast.

I've done one emtb race and it was way harder than regular xc which im used to. Rougher, meaner track than any xc course would be while moving much faster the whole time.

Sure there were a lot of quirks to it. But it was most certainly an mtb race.

 The last gen did in fact have a lower peak torque. But it would be very strange if every one of these guys are not running special software to get as close to the legal performance limit as possible.

 Idoli