One of my favorite trails to test bikes on here in Bellingham is called Dad Bod, a descent full of quick dips and dives, with plenty of sideways roots and off-camber bits to keep you on your toes. It's not the absolute steepest trail, but it's a great way to see how well a bike maintains speed and responds to quick direction changes. The Spectral felt right at home in this setting - the 150mm of rear travel is well managed, with enough support to keep the bike from feeling mushy or lethargic when pumping the backside of a roller or pushing into a turn, and the ability to take the edge off bumps without completely muting the trail.
Frame stiffness is always a tricky thing to judge, but I'd put the Spectral towards the stiffer end of the spectrum. It has a more taut, almost 'pingy' feel, for lack of a better term, compared to the Transition Sentinel, which has a slightly softer, more compliant feel.
On rougher, steeper trails the Spectral still maintained its composure, but it doesn't really encourage the same level of reckless abandon as a bike like the new Commencal Meta TR. The Meta, even with less rear travel, has a more planted, plow-through-everything nature. If the Meta is an aluminum meat tenderizer, hell-bent on smashing the trail into submission, then the Spectral is a finely honed chef's knife, precisely slicing its way down the fall line.
The Spectral's limits feel a little more defined – it does exactly what it's designed to do, but I also never found myself wondering about how it would handle with something like a 170mm Zeb up front and a coil shock in the back. The precise, agile nature of the bike makes it seem like trying to beef if up would be a step in the wrong direction. As an aggressive trail / all-mountain bike it hits the mark, but it's not quite the gravity fiend that enduro racers may be looking for.
I ride Vitus and I would buy it again only if it would save me some serious money (looking at the new Sommet prices, it would) or to have some kind of a dream bike (like it would be for me a new Raaw). Otherwise, what is the point?
I usually order both components and bikes online from other countries as well, since the prices and stock is better.
And Canyon showing in stock for NZ too...
Again, given their track record, I don't think their carbon comes anywhere close to SC.
In technical terms, Scott or Spesh might be argued to be the class-leaders.
Not sure how much of the real carbon magic makes it to these kind of bikes though, I get the impression it's more fancy road and XC bikes that benefit from the ultra hi-mod lightweight treatment.
There were times when a Spectral kit, that competed with a $4700 Stumpjumper, would cost $3000. That time is long gone now. So if both bikes cost the same and the only difference is maybe $200 for flashier wheels, it's a no-brainer. Especially when you compare Canyon's history of cracking frames/chainstays to the lifetime warranty from Specialized.
I was beginning to notice that those direct-sales brands have become increasingly more expensive over the last few years.
Brands like Canyon and YT, purely based on price, are still a good deal compared to non direct-sales brands, but no longer the no-brainer from let's say 5 or 10 years ago.
The second time, I once again cracked a chainstay probably a month and half into the Covid madness. Despite my numerous attempts to contact them, I didnt get a response from the service department until late August and at one point got an email (in July) saying dont contact us we will reach out when we have time. Once I was speaking to an actual person they were able to get me sorted out pretty quickly.
I have no way to know how much this second experience was affected by Covid (I suspect heavily) but this was a pretty bad experience. It is pretty frustrating to not even hear from anyone for months. Even if the outcome would be on the same timeline knowing would be better.
All that being said, I wouldn't tell someone not to buy a Canyon and depending on your local bike shop your warranty experience could be better or worse with a bike purchased from them.
Hard to get a good comparison between the two since they are not specced the same but:
Same price, but Fox36 on Canyon compared to 34 & you get GX components on the stumpy (seriously, GX on a bike that cost 6-7k?), so same price but i would say the Spectral is better specced, just compare the drivetrain, GX vs XTR
The Spectral i would go for:
If i want a Stumpy with that drivetrain i need to pay about 800 dollar more & getting alu wheels instead: www.specialized.com/se/sv/stumpjumper-expert/p/175250?color=281584-175250&searchText=93321-3001
So, still, price difference is over 1-1.5k if one would consider the price difference between alu & carbon wheels, even more if the carbon cockpit is valueable to the buyer, then the price difference to the Spectral is even bigger. So 1-1.5k difference here still between Canyon & Specialized, much more than the 200 where you live
Then we have the slightly cheaper Stumpy, 400USD cheaper than the Spectral i would go for but in that case the Stumpy is equipped with crappy NX drivetrain: www.specialized.com/se/sv/stumpjumper-comp-carbon-29/p/170573?color=281261-170573&searchText=93319-5702
Yes, Canyon have become more expensive than they used to be but still, atleast where i live, i would still get a much better equipped bike for my money going with Canyon compared to Specialized.
I wish i lived where all of you that says that Canyon & Specialized cost the same because i am looking to get an Epic Evo
there's no right or wrong frame size other than what feels right, but there is a difference whether or not people (like me, with shorter legs) can upsize and still run a long dropper post. I just don't see a reason, why you'd do it this way and drive away potential buyers over the length of a seat tube.
When you are an outlier you cannot expect that a every product made for the masses with sizing made to fit the masses will also fit you, an outlier. Just choose another frame or go custom.
Isn't it however quite easy nowadays to fit stuff for longer-legged people, what with 200+ dropper posts? Do we still need long seat tubes?
If the seat tube is to short, fit a longer post. If the seat tube is to long, buy another brand.
For comparison: Kona Process X: 420mm. Stumpjumper EVO S4: 425mm. Norco Sight: 435mm. Transition Sentinel: 430mm.
The rear triangle seems to be an issue though, i know people who had several breaks and also the alignment on this replacement (not mine btw www.reddit.com/r/CanyonBikes/comments/k1hac8/the_canyon_send_new_frame_under_warranty/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) leads me to think that something about those rear ends is fundamentally off.
For what it's worth, when they do work the performance of the rear end is second to none.
You really can't forget about SWAT once you have it. Combined with room for a large bottle, a multi-tool on the cage or in the headtube, it's like they were made for the "no packs" contingent. I recently switched to a Tubolito tube for even more room and ease of loading, but even with a full-sized tube, you can fit a tube, patch kit, tire boots, CO2 inflator and a couple few cartridges, bacon strip kit, and even an emergency light, a small pump or shock pump, and/or snacks.
Add in a soft bottle and a collapsible dog bowl in your back pocket (a soft bottle amazingly stays put very well in all my shorts, and by halfway through the ride it's empty and collapsed) and you can even bring trail pups without worrying about the choice of hydrating them or you.
I used to always wear a small to medium pack, now I only bring my little USWE pack when I might need to fully shed or add a layer, or want to bring trail beers; though I'm thinking getting one of those bottle-belts just for the trail beers situation ;-)
They didn't love the slack seat angle, but it's relatively short measurements worked very well to go fast on natural (not heavily bermed) trails.
So I'd definitely be going for the Spectral, but Jack Moir might stick to the Strive. ha
This statement is interesting, but I do not understand the reason behind why the bikes handles differently. I would imagine that the reduced weight(compared to the Meta) contributes somewhat to this feeling. I would be happy if anyone could elaborate a little as to why this frame feels a little light on its toes when speed goes up. As far as I can tell geometry seems on point for Enduro-duties. Components(Shock/Fork)? Differences in Frame Stiffness? Suspension Curve?
If you live somewhere with gnarly terrain and wide open trails AND you're ok riding while doing a pushup on the bars that is the only scenario where a large is going to work out better provided you can get the seated top tube length to work for you.
Enduro magazine from Germany had a few articles in the summer about testing bikes and found that on a timed track a slightly shorter (medium) bike was typically faster than a larger bike since they could get around corners faster.
I'm glad to have the 475 since I think it helped me get more confident on fast rough sections. I also used to go over the bars a lot, and longer reach and slacker head angle stopped that. Now with the benefit of more experience, I think I would be better with a bike that cornered faster and gave up a little on the chunky straights.
Average 183cm fellows such as myself who'd like to have the saddle more over the pedals and flatter at full extension--to share weight-bearing with hands--which allows a lower stack height--would go for a Medium Spectral 29. It's 3cm longer than my current Medium, not including wheel length. Same travel.
Only two weeks ago a Large Spectral had a wheelbase of 1204mm. Now a Medium is 1224, not including wheel length. Does it seem like Canyon is certain about sizing?
Presuming all Spectral sizes have the same actual seat tube angle, any size can be used to make this determination--seatpost being an extension of the seat tube configuration--though it's difficult in practice, since one might like to put one's hands somewhere.
Now an XL stack is only 637?? Down from 655??
XL's are for tall people. Now we have to use ugly spacers, ugly attend, or 50-60mm bars.
Kazimer: "There's been a resurgence of all-mountain bikes over the last year or so, the category where bikes like the Norco Sight, Transition Sentinel, Specialized Stumpjumper EVO, and now the Canyon Spectral reside. All of those models have 29” wheels, 150mm of travel paired with a 160mm fork, and sit in that nebulous area between trail bikes and beefed up enduro bikes. They also all happen to rely on a Horst Link suspension layout, but they each have their own distinct handling characteristics out on the trail."
It just baffles me that the Strive keeps having that old XC Geometry, sorry
Yes, I look at all the bikes. Lol. YT and Canyon are not easy to get even if you want one.
Also watch out for additional import duties you may be exposed to through UPS. - read the mouse print.
PINKBIKE; F%%K YOU (jams seat ALL the way forward on the rails) we make the rules!!
I would guess that the amount of people who find a modern XL frame too small is very limited. But luckily a couple of manufacturers make an XXL, at least Santa Cruz comes to mind.
Now, a decent amount of people would see that as a sign that it's ready to be beefed up. You don't want to go from a Pike to Zeb or 36 to 38 on a bike that is already a bit of a slug. But if you start with something poppy and pingy like this, then discover you love the jank, and pushing the bike, and nasty trails that most people are afraid of, then this bike is a good choice to drop in a big ol' enduro fork, beefy tires, and a coil shock, because it won't become a plowy super slug, just a bit less pingy and a bit more forgiving.
Spectral 8.0 costs 3990€
That is why I have sold my big enduro bike and currently riding a befeed up trail bike with enduro-ish geometry which, by the way, I think it is more progressive than the one of your Strive.
As for what X or Y paid professional athleets ride...I couldn't give a shite ...as all my set-up chsracteristics, skill-sets, etc differ to such an extent it made the bike irrelevant. He could ride a pink unicorn with wings or Stormtrooper's speeder for all I care.
Having said that, that Strive was still born old/outdated.
We all got trolled. It's braydons old spectral...
Does Spectral 29 CF 8 price $4,699 include import taxes to US? I don't think so.
In the same way Stumpjumper EVO Expert in Europe costs waaaay more than Spectral CF8.
SJ EVO Expert 5499 EUR
Spectral CF8 3999 EUR
No way to compare these bikes by price.
Specialized also has HQ in Europe but the bikes are still imported and we get huge higher prices to pay vs US.
it. I bought a canyon strive last year and there was no tax or import. The only extra I had to pay was $80 for shipping and handling.
Welcome to 2010.
To be honest though, a singular water bottle just isnt enough for me so Im not too hung up on whether the bottle is 600mL of 750mL, either way I am carrying more water on me. Its nice to have the option for on frame water storage but certainly not a deal breaker.