Specifications | ||
Price | $9399 | |
Travel | 140mm | |
Rear Shock | Fox Float DPX2 Factor | |
Fork | Fox 36 Float EVOL FIT4 Factory Series 150mm | |
Headset | FSA Orbit NO.57E | |
Cassette | Shimano XTR 12s 10-51T | |
Crankarms | Race Face Next R Cinch | |
Chainguide | OneUp Top Guide | |
Bottom Bracket | Race Face BB92 30mm | |
Rear Derailleur | Shimano XTR | |
Chain | Shimano XTR | |
Shifter Pods | Shimano XTR | |
Handlebar | Race Face | |
Stem | Rocky Mountain 35 CNC | |
Grips | Ergon GE1 EVO Lock On | |
Brakes | Shimano XTR Trail 4 Piston | |
Hubs | DT Swiss 350 Boost 148mm / Rocky Mountain Sealed Boost 15mm | |
Spokes | DT Swiss Competition 2.0/1.8/2.0 | |
Rim | Race Face ARC Carbon 31 | |
Tires | Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5 / Minion DHR II 2.4 MaxxTerra EXO+ | |
Seat | WTB Volt Race 142 | |
Seatpost | Race Face Turbine R (by Fox) Dropper 30.9mm |
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287 Comments
Yes, they are all trying to screw you. And they can and will. And when all these new people quit you can bet they won’t lower prices.
The contempt the bike companies have for their customers is unmatched except for maybe BMW and Porsche.
I'm sure some brands will be squeezing out a little extra profit where they can, but for the most part these increases aren't because they just wanted to make an extra 5-10% from each bike sale. The whole industry is pretty screwed at the moment - it'll be interesting to see how many brands and retailers make it out of 2021.
All the people working from home are making more money than ever. They can’t go on vacation or eat out so they have no problem dropping big bucks on a bike.
Who knows how long these people stick around riding once things open up again. The bike companies are taking advantage of the boom and couldn’t care less about the people who have been loyal customers.
Pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered.
Fuuuuuuuuuk that.
That's just the rear, $9400 gets you a house brand front hub
But why bother with the fit 4 in a 36? Every fit 4 I've ridden has been super harsh and has no place being on a bike with a 36. I demod a pivot with a 130 34 in the fit4. My 140 grip1 felt so much better. Same with my buddies 36 and a fit 4... Trash...
They will sell every single one at full price (wholesale), and those that want one may complain about the price, but they'll still buy it (likely having to pre-order it), because they're 'lucky' to get it.
As before, no doubt they aren't slitting their own throats with their pricing and will be looking to make some profit, but it isn't as simple as saying that cycling in general is having a boom right now and therefore they can charge what they want.
I think it's likely that some brands are over-forecasting bikes under the idea that the boom from the initial lockdown periods of 2020 will carry through to those same new riders to the sport buying new bikes in 2021, but I don't really see that happening. No doubt some of them will, but there's no way it'll be that kind of peak. With how long lead times are and how far out brands are having to order future stock of bikes, it could well be that 2022 is a great year for riders looking to get a good deal on a bike - those brands over-forecasting now will wind up with quite a bit of surplus stock they can't get rid of.
I doubt that prices will go back down to what they were in 2018/19, but with inflation that's never going to happen anyway. Using the Bank of England's calculator, a bike that cost £3000 in 2018 would cost £3123~ now, for context.
I'll bet about halfway through, their pants would catch on fire.
RM: "We saved a BUNCH of money by re-using frame molds!"
Customer: "Great! How much is the bike?!"
RM: "$9,400 complete, $3550 frame only!"
I don't need to write out the Customer response to that.
$3500 for any bike frame and shock seems insane when you can get a decent entire bike for the same or less.
For €4400 the Hugene comes with the Grip 2 factory and the same shock plus a GX Eagle drivetrain. Granted, the wheelset is Propain’s own brand but I can live with that and I feel much better about paying that figure for a trail bike given that I’m knocking on for 50 and not riding half as much as I should.
@usedbikestuff: Yep, I think that every time I look at an Intense monstrosity. It’s too bad, too, because they make nice bikes.
nsmb.com/articles/3265-readers-rides-11
www.mtbchannel.com/gammes/2008/rocky-mountain/5354/Slayer-SXC-50
Thanks for this @mikekazimer A little mention about brake routing in each review would be much appreciated by some of us. Cheers
It seems that having the steering wheel on the wrong side, coupled with the backwards roads skews your opinion.
What can I say though, as someone from the USA, we still measure stuff using dims garnered from misc body parts and archaic shaky navigational standards.
Excuse me while I go eat 3/4 pound of charred animal flesh I harvested with my automatic weapon after walking a mile, up hill, in the snow, shoeless.
Of course, it wouldn't be an issue if bike manufacturers gave the public what they want and made bikes with external routing!
Based on this the Americans followed Frances lead:
www.renehersecycles.com/which-hand-for-which-brake
I like to know that if I'm going to grab a fistful of brake to nose-wheelie a landing on my mtb or moto then it is the same hand. Call me simple, but it makes sense.
What exactly is the benefit of the other way around?
Now I'm going to eat my half-kilo of charred kangaroo that I harvested with my boomerang.
Most of New Zealand's riding population didn't learn to ride bikes overseas you muppet
Yes, other countries drive on the left but have you ever seen these comments here from e.g. Japanese riders? In terms of mtb market size it really is a very limited issue. No idea how they set commuter bikes up in Japan or if it's ever been a problem on those.
And no, it doesn't seem to bother motorcyclists in mainland Europe that their pushbikes don't have the front brake on the same side as their motos. Plus, coming from mainland and living in the UK I still set my brakes up the continental way and it never caused me any difficulties while riding on the left side in traffic.
Hence racist routing.
Do you mean it's literally the same frame with a different paintjob and upper shock link?
I don't know how RM is going to sell these bikes at this price (OK, maybe in Covid times they can) I hope they do well but they need to get there prices under control to offer a competitive value.
As for the durability of the frame, it's been rock solid. TBH I like the idea of running a bigger front fork (160) with a 50 dollar air shaft and then you could swap the shock out for a longer stroke and get a 155mm bike for shuttle laps. 1000 bucks is a helluva lot cheaper than 2 bikes.
I'm sure that it is gonna be a versatile and true do-it-all bike. A solid and decent option in every regard, as you come to expect from Rocky. But honestly it just seems a bit bland. This would have been an exciting package two years ago. We've got so many of these do-it-all bikes nowadays that making just another one doesn't really cut it if you want to stand out. Like so many other brands, they essentially made yet another Norco Optic, but two years late.
On the other hand: Great! Another model in a long line of very good all-mountian bikes to choose from. What a time to be alive!
But like all Rocky Mountain bikes, it is very expensive for what you're getting.
Nothing wrong with press fit. Like anything else it's on how well it's done.
Also they say it’s bad that the bike doesn’t feel like a “mini enduro bike” like it’s bad thing. Where was that advertised at all by rocky. Also I think the fact you can buy an extra shock, fork, and shock mount you can get two bikes for one was way under looked. Seems pinkbike is still butthurt they forgot to tighten their axle on their Slayer a while back and still sh—g on whatever Rocky does for revenge.
Can’t wait to see what the next generation of Yeti’s cost
IMO overall @mikekazimer impression was "shrug." And I appreciate honest reviews.
I'd prefer a the better value of Vitus or Commencal over RM. But supply issues are still present last time I checked.
We all know @mikekazimer rides in Bellingham and loves a "enduro" category bike for making the most out of the best terrain that Bellingham has to offer, and really if you lived there, that's what you would do too. Also, with the Fit4 fork spec, it does impact the fork's performance for hard riding, but is lighter, and when trying to create separation between categories, especially when most of the frame components are the same, that provides some difference.
Having ridden this bike for many months already, through the BC Kootenays, on Vancouver Island in Cumberland, Nanaimo, Duncan, Victoria, and Sooke, the North Shore. I would argue that this bike is very capable and a great all-around bike. I had the choice between the Instinct and Altitude and being based on the Island I knew that unless I was riding Nanaimo or Prevost all the time, I just wouldn't need the capability of the Altitude all the time.
I have ridden the Altitude and its an amazing machine, and does really mute the smaller stuff so that you can focus on the bigger stuff, and handles hits great. But, that's not what everyone's riding all the time.
I would argue that sure, the Instinct would be a great bike for the Chilcotins, but it's much more capable than being pegged as a bike for big pedals with mild descents. Not every bike needs to be a mini-enduro bike, otherwise why have categories? Enduro, Medium-Enduro, Small-Enduro, Mini-Enduro?
This is a capable all-mountain bike for mountain biking.
Isn't that the point? Jack of all trades, bike of all terrains/mountains. DHs bikes go down fastest, enduro bikes go down fast but can still get up, XC bikes go up fastest, downcountry bikes go up fast and still go down reasonably, and trail/AM bikes do everything.
I don't see how being decent at everything ever be a bad thing for a trail/all-mountain/mid-travel bike... goes up good but not best, goes down good but not best. if you _need_ better or best performance for any one specific job, you get a different tool.
I know which CAD brand I would be supporting if I were buying a new bike.
Now, with the value and performance they deliver with the Stumpy and Enduro - it's hard to make a case for anything else.
edit: just went to my bike in the garage and wiggled them and I now I can see how they rattle. Gonna try this trick!
RM / Norco
HTA: 65.1 / 65
STA: 76.1 / 76
Reach: 511 / 510
Wheelbase: 1277 / 1275
Optic was hitting reviews fall 2019. Here we are a year and a half later with this thing.
"Not only does the Instinct borrow the Altitude's frame...."
Who buys these super expensive bikes anyways?
Thank you Rocky Mountain.
trail specific frame be better? Sounds like they sell so few units of the frame, so they have to sell it across 2 bike models, instead of creating the perfect frame for each segment? With all those adjustments, why don’t they also create 2 new women specific bikes, then they could have 4 models to amortise their pricey tooling costs!
(except it's still COVID-19 industry cycle so any frameset they can slap a build kit on will sell out)
Answer: you either have military grade brand-loyalty (which I get and totally respect, because #greatmemories), or you are just clinically insane
I tried preordering a 2020 Slayer from a local dealer(Munich!) a in early fall 2019. I asked what the "real" price was, because obviously, the sticker prices for all models were unrealistic. No discounts where given and I left. I have not seen any bikes on the trail either, which leaves me wondering what they are doing in Europe at all.
As a consumer it frustrates me that another subpar offer comes along, because it does not push the market forward in any way or form. It is just another mediocre product - At launch!
I am seeing a plethora of various brands flogging a 33 pound anchor that rides incredible on any DH or flow trail but struggles getting up to speed or to the top of the trail. This one bike for all is a total pile of crap.
Riding bikes is 60+% uphill or against the wind I can not ride a 33 pound bike all day or even half the day.
Then there is Kaz's revue of the 10,000 dollar bike not the 3500 base model they will sell like hot cakes. Don't get me wrong he is my favourite reviewer of bikes but this needs attention after all we need info on the base models not the ones that are indestructible.
It's still a 30 pound bike with 140mm of rear travel. If that's a scalpel, then what is... a Scalpel? or a Spark? or a Supercaliber? (wow, all 'S' names, weird). Femtoscale-wavelength laser with ring-gyro stabilization?
20mm of travel difference on the same frame (which means it's probably overbuilt for it's intention (according to you) of "pedal-fests" and not "charging blindy") is not really not as much difference as is implied by your analogy.
You've said that the Instinct is far from the Altitude, but by putting it right at the end of the usual scale, you're also implying that it's super close to an XC race bike (often analogied as scalpels compared to trail or even downcountry bikes).
Again I ask, if this bike is a relative scalpel compared to the Altitude's enduro sledgehammer, where does a full-on-race XC bike fit on that same scale?
I think the geo numbers are spot on for this bike, but the cost and the build spec on the other hand... no thanks.
"the Instinct is more about longer pedal-fests rather than charging blindly into steep, chunky trails."
"it's possible to give the Instinct up to a 66.2 degree head angle and 493 mm reach if for some reason you wanted to try out the longer and steeper route."
Well, you might want to go with that setting on one of those "pedal-fests", since you're allegedly not "charging blindy" on those.
(Still not sure how a 140mm bike ever gets slotted into a "pedal-fest" bracket)