Review: 2022 Devinci Spartan HP - The Sturdy Trail Smasher

Sep 15, 2021
by Mike Kazimer  
The new Spartan HP hasn't exactly been the best kept secret – a keen-eyed observer spotted it in a parking lot on Vancouver's North Shore last February, a sighting that kicked off all sorts of debates about what is and isn't fair game when it comes to mountain bike prototypes.

That initial leak was earlier than Devinci intended, but they took it in stride, and their enduro racers showed up at the Enduro World Series race in Italy with custom-wrapped bikes that said, “Spotted” and “As Seen on the North Shore,” and “Full Press Release Coming Tomorrow.”

Today is tomorrow from yesterday, which means it's time to dig into the details of this new carbon race machine.
Spartan HP Details

• Wheel size: 29"
• Carbon frame
• Travel: 160mm (r) / 170mm fork
• 64.5 or 65-degree head angle
• 430 or 426mm chainstays (size L)
• 12 x157mm SuperBoost rear axle
• Weight: 36 lb / 16.3 kg (size L)
• Sizes: S-XL
• Price $6,149 USD
devinci.com


The carbon-framed Spartan HP rolls on 29" wheels and has 160mm of rear travel paired with a 170mm fork on the Carbon GX model I've been testing, or with a 180mm fork on the LTD models.

Component highlights of the $6,149 USD Spartan Carbon GX include a Fox Float X2 Performance Elite shock, a 170mm Fox 38 Performance fork, SRAM Code R brakes, and a GX 12-speed drivetrain. It also has a Maxxis Assegai / DHR II tire combo, in a DoubleDown MaxxGrip casing. Total weight? A not-that-svelte 36 pounds (16.3 kg) for a size large without pedals.





bigquotesNot surprisingly, it was on the Shore, close to the location that it first broke cover, that the Devinci felt most at home. The chunkier the trail the better – the Spartan absolutely eats up the rough stuff. Mike Kazimer

Frame Details

It's the high pivot design that's the star of the show this season, and the Spartan fits right in with the cool kids. Essentially, the idea is that the higher pivot creates a more rearward axle path, allowing the wheel to get out of the way of the incoming bumps. That design needs an idler, because without one you'd feel the pedals pushing on your feet due to the chain growth.

Devinci spent a lot of time working to ensure the idler pulley was a quiet and as hassle free as possible, and I'd say they did a good job in that department. There's a plastic cover that helps protect it, and that also seems to keep the noise level fairly low. Along with the upper pulley wheel, Devinci specs the Spartan with a lower guide from e13 to help keep the chain securely wrapped around the chainring.

For the most part, the housing runs inside the frame, emerging in a few spots to help make the routing easier. I will say that the section around the idler isn't the most elegant solution – S-bends aren't usually the best recipe for smooth shifting.

There's plenty of room for a water bottle inside the front triangle (side note: isn't it nice how that's almost not a talking point anymore? I'm so glad that those two little bolts came back), a threaded bottom bracket, and molded chainslap protection.


If there was ever an argument for wireless shifting, this could be it. The path the derailleur housing takes isn't the straightest, and I ended up spending more time than usual adjusting the shifting.
The seatstays have a slight bulge next to the brace that connects them, extra width that may contact some rider's calves.


Geometry

The Spartan has a flip chip that makes it possible to choose between a 64.5 or a 65-degree head angle, a change that also raises or lowers the bottom bracket height by 7mm. Now, 64.5-degrees isn't wildly slack for a bike like this, but Devinci wanted to make sure its handling remained manageable. Remember, the high pivot design means that the bike gets longer as it goes into its travel, and a slacker head angle would have created an even longer wheelbase.

That thinking applies to the chainstay length as well. The Spartan HP has size-specific chainstays, which measure 430mm on the size large, and going up by 5mm for the XL and down to 425mm for the medium and small frames. That may look short on paper, but the rearward axle path means that out on the trail they don't feel nearly that stubby.

Reach numbers range from 445 up to 505mm in the low setting. The size large I've been riding has a reach of 485mm. The seat angle is 76.5 degrees, which is in the realm of what's become the modern norm. There's a sizeable jump in seat tube length from the medium to large size frames – it goes to 420 – 460mm. That could potentially make it tricky for riders to run posts with as much drop as they'd like, despite the fact that there's a reasonable amount of insertion depth.




Suspension Design

The new Spartan's axle path is much more rearward than the previous model thanks to that high main pivot placement. The Split Pivot layout is still in place, with concentric pivots at the rear axle, which uses 12 x 157mm SuperBoost spacing. The Spartan uses a 205 x 65mm trunnion-mounted shock, in this case a Float X2 on all models.




Build Kits
The Spartan Carbon XTR is priced at $8,999, with a Shimano XTR drivetrain and brakes, Race Face Next carbon cranks and handlebar, and Fox Factory suspension.
The Spartan Carbon XT LTD receives a 180mm Fox Performance Elite 38, a Shimano XT drivetrain and brakes, and RaceFace ARC30 alloy wheels. Price: $6,999 USD.



Specifications
Price $6149
Travel 160mm
Rear Shock Fox Float X2 Performance Elite
Fork Fox Float 38 Performance GRIP
Headset FSA Orbit
Cassette SRAM XG 1275
Crankarms SRAM GX 32T Superboost 157
Rear Derailleur SRAM GX Eagle
Chain SRAM GX
Shifter Pods SRAM GX Eagle 12-speed
Handlebar Race Face Aeffect 780mm, 20mm rise
Stem V2 Pro 40mm
Grips Devinci Performance lock-on
Brakes SRAM Code R
Hubs Factor XD601SB (f) / XDH62SB (r)
Rim RaceFace AR30
Tires Maxxis Assegai 2.5" / DHR II 2.4", DoubleDown
Seat SDG Bellair 3.0
Seatpost SDG Tellis 34.9



Devinci Spartan Carbon GX








Test Bike Setup

Setting up the Spartan didn't pose any issues - I ran 85 psi in the Fox 38 fork, with the compression dial about 1/4 of the way through its range, and 165 psi in the Float X2, which equated to 27% sag. I did try 30% sag, but at that setting it felt like the bike was sitting a little too low into its travel for my liking. More pressure helped the bike sit up higher, providing more ground clearance while climbing, and more support for bigger hits on the descents.

Testing took place between Bellingham, Washington, and Whistler, BC, in the full gamut of conditions, everything from dry and blown out to extra wet and muddy.


Me.
Mike Kazimer
Location: Bellingham, WA, USA
Age: 39
Height: 5'11" / 180cm
Inseam: 33" / 84cm
Weight: 160 lbs / 72.6 kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @mikekazimer


Climbing

There's no getting around the fact that a 36-pound bike, especially one with extra sticky tires, isn't exactly going to rocket up the hills. There's also that idler pulley to contend with, although in this case the plastic cover does help to keep the noise to a minimum, and it didn't bother me at all. That's saying something, since I'd consider myself to be fairly picky when it comes to bike noise. Will the extra drag be the deciding factor between setting a KOM or settling for a middle of the pack time? Probably not, and I'd imagine the rider who's in the market for a bike like this isn't going to lose too much sleep over a slight loss in pedaling efficiency.

Putting the weight aside, the Spartan is a decent climber. It's not going to set the world afire with its abilities, but it does get the job done with minimal fuss. Relax, sit down, put it in an easy gear and you'll get to the top eventually. There's a good amount of support for out of the saddle efforts when things get technical, and the only time I used the climb switch was for smoother paved or dirt road approaches. The seated climbing position worked for my 5'11” height, although it's worth noting that the actual seat angle is around 69-degrees, which means taller riders may feel more stretched out and over the rear axle than they would on a bike with a steeper actual seat angle.

I did notice that my calves would occasionally rub the upper portion of the seatstays. The seatstays have a bulge on either side of the brace, and if I didn't pay attention my legs would rub against them with each revolution. I don't exactly have Richie Rude level calves either, so it may be more of an issue for riders that have been hitting the gym extra hard.




Descending


The US / Canada border finally opened up while I was testing the Spartan, which meant I could finally add the Whistler Bike Park and Vancouver's North Shore back into my array of testing zones. Not surprisingly, it was on the Shore, close to the location that it first broke cover, that the Devinci felt most at home. The chunkier the trail the better – the Spartan absolutely eats up the rough stuff. It's not quite as long and slack as the Norco Range (more on that in a bit), but that actually worked in its favor on the tighter, jankier trails where slow speed, braking-heavy maneuvers followed by rocky runouts are common.

The 64.5-degree head angle didn't give me any real reason to complain, but I also never once considered putting the flip chip into the high position. Because of that, I wish that 64.5 degrees was the high setting, and that 64-degrees or less was the low position. Remember, we're talking about a 160mm, high pivot enduro machine – why not fully optimize it for its intended purpose?


Maintaining speed on the Spartan isn't a problem as long as gravity has firmly taken over, but on flatter or rolling terrain it can feel sluggish. Pumping the trail to takes more effort, and doesn't result in the same burst of forward speed that comes from a bike with a less rearward axle path. Jumping takes more work too, a trait that was especially noticeable on Whistler's A-Line and Dirt Merchant trails. It'll get it done, but the Spartan does best on rougher, more technical trails rather than hopping and popping around, despite what some of the photos in this review may lead you to believe. It's not that it can't jump, it's more that there are bikes in the same category that are easier and more eager to get airborne than this one (the new Pivot Firebird comes to mind).

Remember the feeling of making solid contact with a jelly ball during a game of kickball? Landing a drop on the Spartan HP delivers the same sense of satisfaction. It's one of the traits that I enjoy most about high pivot bikes – that glued to the ground stability they have when touching back down makes it easy to trust that things will work out, even when dropping into a pile of rubble that's been formed into a not-very-steep landing. The Spartan may not be the liveliest jumper, but that trait's overshadowed by how well it can stomp landings.


Spartan HP
Norco Range

How Does It Compare?


Let's put the Spartan up against its Canadian rival, the Norco Range, since both bikes are stout, carbon-framed high-pivot machines.

When it comes to geometry, the Range wins in the long and slack department. Its head angle sits at 63.25-degrees for a size large, 1.25-degrees slacker than the Spartan. The Range's chainstays are around 12mm longer, which translates to an overall wheelbase that's 1285mm vs 1261mm for a size large.

What do the slacker and longer numbers equate to out on the trail? More stability, especially at speed and in the steeps. Now, the Spartan isn't a slouch in that department, it's just that the Range comes much closer to mimicking the handling you'd expect from a DH bike. Its standover is lower, the seattube is shorter, and the center of gravity is closer to the bottom bracket.

One thing the Spartan has that the Range doesn't is the ability to run a coil or air shock. The Range was designed specifically for coil shocks from Fox or RockShox; the Spartan can accommodate a wider array of options.

Even though both bikes are billed as enduro race bikes, I think they may be too much bike for some courses – on a pedally, punchy track these big beasts could feel like a handful, the Range even more so than the Spartan. On the other hand, at a race with tracks that resemble the ones around Whistler they'll be right at home.



MaxxGrip, DoubleDown casing tires are a welcome sight.
The GRIP damper doesn't offer as many adjustments as its GRIP 2 sibling, but it didn't take long to get it dialed in and working well.

Technical Report

Maxxis tires: On a bike like this, it's great to see proper tires spec'd on all the models. The Assegai / DHR II combo works extremely well here in the Pacific Northwest, and the MaxxGrip compound, while not the longest lasting, is very nice to have when the rocks and roots are wet and slimy.

Code R brakes: The Code R brakes worked well, but if this was my bike I'd plan on upgrading the levers to the RSC model at some point down the road. The R levers don't have a contact point adjustment, and the bushings that they rotate on instead of cartridge bearings gives them a more rattly, less solid feel.

Fox Performance 38: This fork doesn't have the same level of adjustments found on the more expensive Performance Elite or Factory models, but the GRIP damper is very easy to set up, and I didn't have any trouble finding a configuration I was happy with. That said, I could see this being another area worth upgrading at some point, since Fox sells the GRIP 2 damper separately, and making the swap is a fairly simple procedure.






Pros

+ Excels in rough, chunky terrain
+ Very quiet while descending
+ Sturdy, race-ready build kit


Cons

- Can feel sluggish in mellow or rolling terrain
- Seatstays may rub calves
- On the heavier end of the spectrum




Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesThe new Spartan HP is built to take care of business, as long as that business involves plowing through rock gardens and stomping landings. No, it's not the lightest, and it's not a super poppy, playful thing, but it gets the job done very well when it comes to picking apart chunky, technical trails. It's also ready to race right out of the box, with appropriate tires and parts that can handle the beatings that accompany a long weekend between the tape. Mike Kazimer








252 Comments

  • 207 6
 Hype-ivot
  • 10 4
 #commentgold
  • 1 22
flag CaptainSnappy (Sep 15, 2021 at 8:38) (Below Threshold)
 Because... ?
  • 51 0
 …of the hype
  • 3 4
 More pivots more moving parts more cost more maintenance more more more..glad some brands are keeping it simple, like a proper bike should be. Not to knock the HP, I think it’s a good design when used correctly, but would be nice to have options. I remember Commencal had two types of Meta’s, one high pivot for free ride and one that was not..
  • 1 0
 Very turdy trail bike, good call PB.
  • 99 6
 Are they just wrapping aluminium frames in carbon? Bloody heavy!
  • 37 6
 @Kyanw The weights are creeping up for sure. My 34 lb bike (Wreckoning V3 and yes, with pedals because I've never been able to ride a bike without pedals) seems svelte by comparison to these behemoths. I could lighten mine up for that matter without too much fuss nor expense. I get that such bikes fall into "sit and spin" climbing style, but somehow I managed to keep pace with two XC racers climbing up the longest climb in a local park with they in their sweet suits and I in knee armor, baggies, 5.10's and a Black Flag t-shirt. Black Flag the band was rather heavy, but the shirt isn't too bad. Wink
  • 113 1
 Mike Levy is just Mike Kazimer wrapped in donuts and bacon.
  • 5 5
 When i was shopping around i was looking at the troy and the django, they were 35lbs and 33 lbs....full carbon frames. Ended up going for a bike in between the two travel wise: 2021 stumpy, which is almost 5 lbs lighter than the Django, wtf devinci
  • 30 2
 I think a big part of this widespread weight gain is due to the fact that brands have started to spec tires that are actually up to the task. A 29" DHF DD has a stated weight of 1288g, while the EXO equivalent is only 1010g. So you could shave over a full lb off the weight of the bike by speccing sub-par tires. Add in 38mm forks and bam you've got a thiqqqboi on you hands. Whether all this is justified or not is up to you, but I've got a 38.5lb bike and couldn't care less. What goes up must come down.
  • 3 1
 @shreddie-eddie: the DH tires weigh pretty much the same as DD...
  • 17 21
flag conoat (Sep 15, 2021 at 10:16) (Below Threshold)
 and I am just over here on a Large Mondraker enduro that weights 30.2lbs with DH mallet pedals, sealant, EXO+ tires, Hydra hubs, MT7 brakes, etc(not making a huge production of being a weight weenie)ready to ride.

I honestly don't get the pass some companies are getting with these weights. f*cking try harder! get your engineers to be more engineery! lol. in all seriousness, it seems we are just making tanks and seeing if consumers will whinge....
  • 14 2
 @jaydawg69: They're like 50g heavier for Maxxis. The DH22/34's on my bike are 1400g per tire.

@conoat That's sort of what I mean, if this bike came with EXO+ tires, I would replace them immediately. If you care a lot about weight/climbing performance, then maybe a 160mm high pivot bike is not the bike for you? I also suspect that brands are aware that people will use these bikes like DH bikes, and design the frames with durability front of mind

Heavy is the new light, get with the times
  • 2 0
 @conoat: you have to compare frame weight to frame weight.... I suspect the weight difference between frames is 2 lbs.
  • 4 0
 @arrowheadrush: All the little things add up with the Troy. Fox 36 vs 34, piggyback shock, wider rims, 1 pound heavier tires, larger rear rotor. Don't know which Django you compared but the GX and the Stumpjumper comp are pretty comparable weight wise with heavier tires on the Devinci. Similar bikes, with slightly different purposes.
  • 4 8
flag conoat (Sep 15, 2021 at 11:06) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: sure. but 2lbs is huge when you're talking 6lbs vs 8lbs.

I highly suspect this frame is the better-fed side of 8lbs with a shock and all the hardware. that's absurd.
  • 5 0
 @shreddie-eddie: also, an EXO+ assegai is 1100g. it isnt friggin light. add 500 grams for DD and you still only add 1lb to the bike.

I have pretty good luck with EXO+ tires for the most part. my only issue is usually my own hubris in trying to run sub 32psi at rocky bike parks(like I most recently learned at Ft. William. lol. ended up at about 34-35psi before I stopped pinging the rim. place is roughAF. #longlivejordie)
  • 2 2
 @conoat: I am trolling a little bit, I agree weights are going up quite a lot, but I do think there's some reason behind it, and I don't care at all. The way bikes ride keeps getting better, so why does weight matter. If I'm slow on the up my fitness is to blame, not the bike.
  • 4 0
 @arrowheadrush: they are not light but are very solid and tough
  • 5 1
 @shreddie-eddie: its an issue of repetitive movement. if you are hustling a bike over terrain, you are constantly lifting, pushing, shoving, tilting, adjusting the bike. do you want to do all of that, 100's if not 1000s of times with a 29lb bike, or a 37lb bike? which one will leave you with more gas in the tank on your last lap of the day?
  • 13 2
 I must be missing something, or five things. My 2016 aluminum Reign 1 is 30.5lbs soaking wet, 160mm travel yada yada. Where is all the extra weight coming from on these "Enduros"? Are 29" wheels n tires adding 5lbs? I mean weight isn't EVERYTHING, but 5 lbs is FIVE lbs. Can't crap that much out pre ride lol
  • 5 5
 @conoat: a 29lb bike is going to toss you around on dh and going to tire you out more. A lightweight bike is good for uphill or rolling terrain. And DD tires don't add 500 grams compared to EXO+
  • 3 0
 @oscartheballer: he sounds delicious.
  • 2 0
 @conoat: I get what you mean, but considering that most EWS bikes are 36ish lbs these days, I wouldn't think that it makes that much of a difference.
  • 2 0
 @hellbelly: Rise above!
  • 4 0
 @shreddie-eddie: the proper spec definitely adds to the weight, especially the tires. I also seem to remember reading something about their frames being heavy because they prioritize strength over weight, they also carry a lifetime warranty. Which is 2 reasons I bought a Troy. I tend to keep my bikes for a long time.
  • 2 0
 @hellbelly :
My girlfriend asked me which one I like better
I hope the answer won't upset her
  • 1 0
 My very alloy, very burly, coil shocked Canfield is lighter than this thing...
  • 6 0
 @Moonie2123:

The weight comes from the longer wheelbase, the steeper and longer dropper posts( heavier) AND the 29” wheels with heavy duty tires. Throw in some massive forks and a dh shock and there you go.
  • 2 0
 @Moonie2123: exactly! This thing is an $8000 tank… nuts.
  • 1 0
 @Saidrick: @Saidrick: it has to be the bigger wheels. i've a 2011 v10 and the thing is 36 pounds without any weight weenie parts, steel coil spring, dorado pro which is not the lighest, the only thing relatively light are the atlas cranks.

???
  • 2 0
 @Bkinzel99: It should be pointed out that they tested the $6200 base model.
  • 1 0
 It’s funny - the Dreadnought was reviewed first in this high pivot idler category and called heavy at the time. It’s 34 pounds in a Large and the only real difference in spec from a weight perspective, I believe, is a 100g savings on an exo+ front tire vs a DD. This one is 36 and the Range is a different beast altogether clocking in at 38lbs.
  • 1 0
 @Vlad-Putin: The Range is also literally a DH bike.
  • 2 0
 @shreddie-eddie: agreed. A pedalable short travel DH bike.
  • 2 1
 @jaydawg69: they do in total.it's 250g per tire.

and no, a light bike doesn't necessarily throw you around. I mean if a 29lb bike throws you around and a 37lb one doesn't, what you're saying is that 8lbs is the difference in a combined weight of the rider and bike between planted and controlled and a pinball? then why don't 165lb riders get flung off course and 220lb riders are glued to the track? it's because bike weight has nothing to do with stability....setup does though.
  • 2 0
 @conoat: you're dead wrong, look how motorcycles float through stuff and bikes bounce off. try an e bike and a light bike. heavier is far more stable because its inertia makes suspension do the work.

heavier pendulum - lower amplitude for same input
  • 2 1
 @baca262: are you really trying to compare a device with 14" of travel to one with 6?

also, it's total weight, not just bike weight. a 200lb rider on a 245lb bike or a 200lb rider on a 35lb bike.


it isn't the weight. I have a very light bike and it tracks like an arrow. why? setup
  • 1 0
 @conoat: the pendulum example holds. think whatever you want

edit: i've said it wrong. *argue whatever you want.
  • 1 0
 @conoat: it's called sprung vs unsprung weight and the ratio between the two matters quite a bit. I don't know what it's like for lighter riders, because I'm not one, but I do know some top pros occasionally add weight to their DH bikes for added stability or plantedness (if that's a word). I still prefer my bikes as light as possible, but put durability over that.
  • 49 0
 I'm getting a bit confused about who these super enduro high pivot bikes are for. Most of the reviews are stating they are too much for most enduro courses and not that playful as park bikes. I'm sure they're all selling well but I don't really understand who the target market is.
  • 24 4
 mOrE trAVel iS beTtER
  • 34 1
 "I don't really understand who the target market is."

Ideally, racers. Realistically, non-racers.
  • 12 0
 I really would like them here in Alps where most of my riding is done on natural Trails (lots of hikings trails) with mostly Cabelcar Accses and if not I usually push my Downhill the last"few" HM up to the start. So if you only need to climb 300hm do descend 1500-2000hm then those Bikes are ideal especially considering that most of the Trails are rough
  • 9 1
 Or maybe most reviewers from PB are part of the "down-biking" believers that look down on any big bike ? Then it also depends on what terrain you have at your door step but if you live in plains with no proper mountains nearby should you be looking at such bikes anyway ?
  • 3 0
 @RockCrawler: That sounds like the ideal terrain for these type of bikes and I am a bit jealous!
  • 10 0
 @Balgaroth: I'm not against big travel and if you have the terrain for something like this then great. I'm just surprised the reviews are saying it's too much bike for most enduro racing and also implying that they aren't very playful. The reviews make it sound as if the bikes are compromised for racing and not the best option for park riding so unless you have massive natural terrain with limited pedalling they seem a bit limited. At the end of the day they are just bikes and all bikes can do pretty much anything with some compromises.
  • 11 1
 @honda50r: A 2002 Karpiel Armageddon, that has more travel, is not better.
  • 2 0
 People who ride steep chunky trails that want stability at speed. IE all the squam, Vancouver, bham guys
  • 2 0
 MoAR SalEZ FTW make bike create hype sell bike profit win
  • 2 0
 @zmums: can confirm, HP is excellent in steep chunk and at speed. They become playful at speed. Boring on flat trail.
  • 2 0
 For me its ideal as it works fairly well as an aggressive shore trail bike, but is also pretty happy with park days at whistler and CGP. I view it as a pretty stout quiver killer.
  • 6 0
 Its funny seeing companies and reviewers down grade old enduro bikes to "All-Mountain" as soon as longer travel updates come out. People are eating it up too, pretty soon we'll have a separate classification for each 10mm of travel on bikes...

"no no, you can't race enduro on that old bike, THIS is what you need." - said to the overweight guy in his mid 30's racing funduros twice a year.
  • 3 1
 Yeah, I'm with you. The companies develop these bikes for the terrain most of us don't have access to other than the occasional holidays. DeVinci is intriguing because it's an east coast company, so you can see some elements of that in the fact that the wheelbase and head angle are kept in check. But they still have to keep up with the trends or get left behind.

I'm waiting for a company to come out with: moderate head angle, paired with 150/160 mm travel, paired with lighter weight (somewhere in the 32 pound range) and a nice pedaling platform. Basically a true east coast bike. Nobody seems to be interested in making that bike.
  • 5 1
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: ‘21 Stumpjumper Evo. 63.5-64.5 adjustable head angle, 160/160 with Cascade link. Mine is 28 lbs with DD tires. Best bike I’ve ever ridden, and I’ve ridden hundreds. It’s the only bike in 28 years of mountain biking that I have truly loved and considered perfect. Not a Specialized sponsored rider, I bought it for myself for b-day present. XTR/Lyrik/DT1200xmc wheels, it is ridiculously fast, plenty of uphill and DH KOMs. And I also have a new Range. I’d pick the Stumpy Evo for enduro racing. High pivots are a lot of bike, amazing for smashing steep DH, but I’m certain my times are faster on the Stumpy unless it’s the steepest of steep.
  • 1 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: they had lots of those in 2019. buyers sent the message that they want to go bigger.
  • 4 5
 @RockCrawler: OK, now you euros are just trolling me! This poor ignorant 'murican can just about follow along in millimeters, meters, and kilometers, but hectometers?! Besides, the numbers don't make sense in that unit anyway. 300hm is 30km, no?

Now I'm suddenly afraid I'm missing something obvious and I'm even more ignorant than I'd feared. If I was smart I would delete this comment and keep my ignorance quiet. Oh well...internet!
  • 4 0
 dude bro's that think they are 50-100% faster than they actually are.

so, you know......the market is YUUUUUUUUUUGE
  • 1 0
 @bradwalton: Yeah, that one's on the radar for sure!
  • 54 2
 Can everybody else see the stupid ''Outside+'' next to my username?! Does everybody now know I was soulless enough to pay to get behind the wall?! How can I ever get any street cred?! I didn't agree to this! What the hell, pinkbike!?!

Come on guys! I did it for the lolz! I only paid ironically!
  • 3 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: also Sentinel. I have a lot of friends on that bike both east coast and PNW who love it.
  • 2 0
 @bradwalton: Eh, I actually had a Sentinel for a hot minute, way too long and slack for my East Coast trails, though I know lots of people love them.
  • 5 0
 @JakeEPooh: Sorry I'm totaly used to HM als Höhenmeter which I directly translated to Hightmeters. I meant the differnce in Meters of Ascend by it. Hope that clears that up a bit
  • 2 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: Stumpjumper is a little shorter. I was skeptical of S5 because I normally ride XL at 6’2”, was kinda between S5 and S6, but S5 fits like it was made for me with 50mm stem. Shortish rear end is snappy but also stable. Suspension is more supple and progressive with Cascade link, but not really needed if you are a lighter weight rider. I grew up riding NC and I’m heading there for 2 week riding trip with my Stumpy Evo soon, seems like the perfect bike for the mountains.
  • 7 0
 @JakeEPooh: Yep, we all see it. Bought in and sold out, everyone knows it, cred revoked lol

Everyone stay tuned for additional tags, including... "Dentist", "Fat old dude", "Noob" and "Wanker"

Nowhere to hide
  • 4 2
 @Moonie2123: Dang it, I'm no dentist!
  • 1 0
 @RockCrawler: ah, elevation
  • 4 2
 @RockCrawler: Sweet, I learned something new. Thanks man.
  • 3 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: That is the RIPMO in a nutshell...
  • 7 0
 I don’t think the reviewers can even agree on this topic which has led to some inconsistency. Some 150mm bikes get reviewed and dumped on for not being 170 and then other times it’s like who needs a 170mm? I’m sort of done with reviews lately. I’ll try demo anything I buy and listen to riders and shops that ride my terrain and understand my wants.
  • 3 0
 @CircusMaximus: Ripmo is a good one, super popular bike around here.
  • 6 1
 These bikes keep Intermediate riders safe on BC black trails, alpine rides and in the bike park.
  • 1 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: I have 3 months on my Ripmo and am still blown away when I ride it.
  • 2 0
 @JakeEPooh: sure can. Maybe you can ask them to replace it with a scarlet “A”? At least that’d have a little cleverness and style to it.
  • 1 0
 @aceface17: That's what I'm looking at the Range for. It's a toss up between the G1 and Range currently.
  • 2 0
 @gonecoastal: G1 is a great bike, extremely versatile, ultimately durable, simple and reliable, with an incredibly tunable shock. About the same weight as a Range frame. Sometimes I regret selling the G1, but the X-Longest they recommended for me (6’2”) was just too dang long (35mm stem). Perhaps if I had gotten the Large I would still have it. Also, the lack of water bottle mount was a bigger deal than I thought it would be.
  • 1 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity:

Bruh. Everyone made that bike already. The old remedy, the slash, all the old stumpys, last gen transition sentinel, I could go on and on. Those are all pretty light too. Just throw some trail casing tires on and you’re rollin

I think you’ve got a good point that mellower geometry and travel numbers are better for mellower terrain, but I’d say get a sweet deal on a used bike and have a better time anyway.

I think all these new bikes are crucial to pushing the limit of what mtb suspension can do, which just means a heavier bike. If you don’t ride trails that are super steep/chunky they don’t make a ton of sense. But if you do then they’re mind blowing.
  • 1 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: Troy at 140 with a 160 fork. I had to put I9 wheels on it but it is now sub 32 with mud on it
  • 40 11
 -10 points for the fact that the mechanic has to route every hose and cable internally themselves. I used to have to build Devincis and they come like a model aeroplane with every piece needing to be put together individually unless something has changed. It was fun the first time...
  • 67 5
 Indeed it changed and we deliver some models partially assembled now. Also worth noting, this one has partially guided routing to facilitate the cable routing process.
  • 25 14
 @cyclesdevinci: "Some models partially assembled now" basically backs up the original post : /
  • 60 2
 @L0rdTom: it also indicates that @cyclesdevinci is listening to their shops, and taking steps to improve, which is awesome.
  • 3 1
 @blcpdx: Not sure to call "awesome" slmething which should just be normal, even more when prices are getting higher and higher
  • 1 13
flag trailsmurf (Sep 15, 2021 at 9:38) (Below Threshold)
 @cyclesdevinci: How did you guys come up with that suspension linkage?! Ive never seen anything like it!!!!....oh wait....yeah literally fking everywhere hey....
  • 4 3
 -100000 points. All I've ridden these past couple of years is santa cruz and a specialized enduro. Cable routing on those is as simple as pushing one end in the bottom and watch it come out the top. Looking back to when I used to ride treks, spending hours trying to guide 3 lengths of cable housing out of a tiny hole in the down tube, then trying to keep it all secure with the godawful "match maker" zip tie hole. Honestly, no chance I can go back to old school internal routing. Just so many hours I'll never get back.
  • 2 0
 @trailsmurf: how do you REALLY feel?
  • 26 7
 Absolutely love my Aluminum Devinci . Welded Canada. No boost. No internal cable routing. Oddly my frame is probably same weight as this one .
Do you know what's sexy? Not plastic. Machined aluminum is sexy. Bring back sexy .
  • 4 30
flag trailsmurf (Sep 15, 2021 at 9:43) (Below Threshold)
 f*ck CARBON. Its only fit for pro's who get a new frame thrown at them before the shitty carbon frame they are riding starts to crack.

Carbon is for dentists, if you ride gravity, you want AL.

Know why everything is carbon now? Its more profitable to the brands even though the bike are shit. Same reason every bike has a session linkage.

f*ck carbon and f*ck session linkages and f*ck PB pushing both, along with ebikes.
  • 5 1
 Titanium is sexy. Being poor is less so.
  • 1 0
 @Sshredder Preach! 2014 Devinci Dixon, Fox 34 fork, dual casing tires on alu hoops, Mallet3, and a MFing Timber bell >33lbs.
  • 18 0
 Kaz is steezin over those jumps. Nice work, for @MikeKazimer and Eric Mickelson
  • 14 0
 Finally my 16.8kg Titan doesn't look that chubby anymore.
  • 19 0
 I'm refusing to put my Meta AM on the scale. If someone ask, I go with "less than 20 most probably"
  • 3 0
 I raise you my 17 kg enduro
  • 4 0
 @pakleni: same for me (Meta AM also). I know it's heavy, but I don't wanna know how much
  • 3 0
 @pakleni: There is a guy i know managed to build one under 15 kg including pedals, i don't know how but he did it
  • 5 0
 @pakleni: Same. Ignorance is bliss.
  • 2 0
 @Adwardok: same for me, when people ask me how much my Meta weights I say: NOT ENOUGH!!
  • 2 0
 Everything's lighter in metric...
  • 11 1
 Interesting with the short chainstay. With the growing (virtual) chainstay length, it makes sense to me to have the physical chainstay as short as possible. I just noticed many other HP bikes start with a longer chainstay. I feel like that would contribute to a snappier feeling bike compared to the Norco, but I didn't see that noted in the review. I also saw it grows ~18mm in the chart here, but didn't see that same chart for the Norco. I'd be curious to see if the growth is more or less than this bike.
  • 9 0
 Norco grows 24mm. Canondale grows 13mm, GT grows 11mm. Forbidden grows around 33ish
  • 1 0
 @vanillarice19: Right on - thanks! Obviously there's a lot more to geometry than just chainstay length, but this is cool to see. I'll have to go back and read how they all felt on the trail.
  • 15 6
 '21 Big S Enduro - $6300 USD, with Fox 38 with Performance Elite trim/Grip2, XO/GX drivetrain, Code RS brakes, and considerably lighter. My question - why go with the Devinci over the Enduro, assuming you didn't have to worry about availability?
  • 42 7
 because it isn't a specialized ?
  • 13 0
 Well, the difference are the kinematics. If you want a HP rear end with the respective axle path...
  • 14 1
 Because enduro cracks?
  • 3 2
 Fragile head tube but mine never cracked. Enduro has pretty bad pedal kickback and brake jack. Suspension feels best when not using rear brakes. I swapped a bunch of parts off my 32.4lb Enduro onto my Norco Range which weighs 34.4lbs. 2lb difference isn’t terrible… Both bikes with coil shocks with lighter weight coils. It was a like for like swap so EXO tires instead of DD, 31.8mm dropper instead of 34.9 which are significantly heavier.
  • 11 0
 Because the current-gen Specialized Enduro is fragile AF. The frame is really weak. On the weekends I ride with a guy who had to claim warranty for his S-Works Enduro twice within the 2020 riding season. The first time because the carbon linkage snapped clean through and the other time because the downtube had two massive cracks in it where the storage opening is located.
  • 3 0
 @BenTheSwabian: "rushes out to garage to check downtube on the enduro"

I didn't realize there were cracking issues w/ the frame. Can you send some references/documentation or is this primarily hearsay?
  • 3 0
 @snowwcold55: www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=221284&pagenum=1
here is one of many threads on the subject. As one poster notes, Spesh is 'aware' of the 'issue'.
  • 3 0
 @snowwcold55: I’m on a Spesh Enduro Facebook group and every day or other day people are complaining about cracked frames
  • 4 0
 @snowwcold55:

Believe me, it’s not just “noise”. I was part of the Specialized Enduro Owners group on FB and cracked frames (with pics to prove em) were a regular topic of conversation. It’s become a running gag over there haha. Several Youtubers cracked theirs as well. One youtuber switched to Evil and cracked that one too tho lol. That being said, had my 2021 Enduro three months and it held up.

Also, ppl complaining online makes it look worse than it actually is, but there’a definitely something about these Enduros…
  • 2 2
 looks like its the spesh that broke in the ebike test too.
  • 5 0
 @snowwcold55: Mine cracked at the Headset, you can see the Crack if you look through my Pics (Cracked after 1 Year of heavy use)
  • 1 10
flag trailsmurf (Sep 15, 2021 at 10:11) (Below Threshold)
 @Y0sh1: Dude carbon is simply not fit for hardcore DH/EN/FR, its just not robust enough, every carbon bike cracks!!!! WHEN WILL THE INDUSTRY ADMIT THIS?!
  • 2 0
 2021 Enduros are certainly better. I've had mine for almost a year with no issues and I only ride park.
  • 1 0
 @jaydawg69: I've had mine for year, and ridden it as hard as I possibly can, primarily in the park, and I've not had a single issue. I also weigh about 170 lbs and ride an s5.
  • 2 0
 @RockCrawler: a riding buddy just found a crack in his headtube too. But he loves the bike so much that he just got another enduro frame, while Specialized sorts out the warranty claim. Go figure.
  • 2 0
 @ratedgg13: hey that’s my forum thread lol
  • 2 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: I did the same as your Buddy, waiting for my Enduro Frame to arrive from Waranty and in the meantine I build up a Specialized Status to keep me riding
  • 1 0
 @RockCrawler: How are you liking the Status? Seems like a great value proposition.
  • 2 0
 @trailsmurf: massive conspiracy no doubt about it
  • 2 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: Its a great Bike and even lighter than my Enduro Comp. For ascending its okay and you will feel the need to use the Climbswitch more often than not. For Descending its a playfull and fun bike which wants to jump at every oportunity but at Higher Speeds its sometime tricky to put pressure on both Wheels since the Chainstay is relativly short and the Front quite long. Thats why I do prefere it on steep technial Trails with lots of switchbacks or just simply on Jumplines/Bikeparks because it feels much more agile and fun than the Enduro (which btw is a S4 Size and the Status a S3 and I'? 184cm)
  • 1 0
 @RockCrawler: You made a good decision on buying s3 status. S4 would be a lot worse, 496 reach with 426 cs doesn't go along
  • 2 0
 @trailsmurf: lol, you might want to take a look at the offshore boat races and see what’s being used to make those boats..I guarantee those forces are way higher than these little bikes get…
  • 2 0
 @trailsmurf: on that point though, if not properly designed and tested, it can be an issue..like any other material.
  • 3 0
 Exactly, also during last video PB chose Enduro for racing out of all tested bikes;

I know, they crack, however there are more s bikes at any bike park compared to any other brand, and spesh have solid warranty
  • 9 1
 I was not a fan of the long and windy road that is the course of that rear brake hose. Very twisty - turny single track looking, I can't buy the bike anyway for lack of terrain (and funds) so Devinci, please feel free to ignore my comment.
  • 6 1
 Remember, that brake hose contains a liquid, not a cable.
  • 11 0
 "If there was ever an argument for wireless shifting, this could be it."

Or an argument for external routing.
  • 18 9
 Pros:
-It's a Devinci, so it's probably sturdy A F with impeccable build quality

Cons:
-Geometry
-Weight
-Price
-High pivot w/ idler
-Not exactly pretty
-Superboost
-Cable routing
-Heel rub
  • 5 0
 We all want more and not expect anything for it??
-Bigger forks (38mm)
-Bigger brakes (200-220disc and larger calipers)
- Longer dropper post (170-200)
-Thicker tires (EXO+)
always a compromise. Give and take

People on PB are so funny......

Just built my Range Large at 34.3 WO pedals. If you're smart with the spec it can be in the same average "enduro" bike weight
  • 1 0
 My Medium Range is also under 35lbs w/o pedals. One of the bigger weight savers is to swap out the 34.9mm dropper for a 31.8mm dropper with a shim (1/3rd a pound) and the cassette. Also helps to mount a 30t chainring for the climbs
  • 1 0
 @vanillarice19: how do they ride without pedals...?





Smile
  • 2 0
 @stiingya: amazing..... no pedal kickback.....
  • 5 0
 In May I built up my Kavenz VHP 16. A high-piviot-29er-aluminum-bike with 160 mm travel and a coil shock and it weighs same as this Spartan, which is made from carbon and is speced with an air shock. Also I spend over a grand less and my bike, while also only using brand new parts on the build. One could argue that it is crafted in Canada, but Kavenz hand welds their frames in Germany as well. The Spartan probably rides very well, but i do not see any selling points.
  • 5 0
 High split pivot in a pedalable package is certainly an interesting prospect. There’s next to no representation in my corner of the world, but if I see one, I will be testing it.
  • 6 0
 that internal routine for the brake housing in the chainestay is killing me. few cm inside to say we did it.
  • 6 0
 Hey - I've got a spartan, how about a you send me one of those cool hipster devinci hats !
  • 16 14
 Very few brands seem to have got the looks right on high pivots. Sadly I'm putting this Spartan in that category. If its going to be a big gravity bike that I'm going to keep for many years, I aint buying an ugly one. Otherwise I'll look like the guy still rocking the 28 pivot, floating brake arm 2010 DH bike.
  • 1 0
 But the 28 pivot floating brake arm 2010 DH bikes were super cool.
  • 2 0
 Devinci Wilson HP please please please! Been holding off buying a new DH rig (and enduro bike) for them to release that Wilson HP. Please Please Please bring it to production!

The Wilson needs an update, and the high split virtual pivot you prototyped in 2020 was THE bike!
I don't want to have to go with a different bike company -.0, but I won't buy another Wilson unless it's that HP cuz the bikes desperately needs an update. Please bring it to production. You won't regret it Big Grin
  • 3 0
 Man that would be sweet love me some Devincis and almost bought a Wilson 29. But found a deal and really wanted to try a high pivot and got a Supreme 29 and wow its a rad bike. Curious how a split pivot high pivot would ride.
  • 2 0
 If in the market for this type of bike, I'd buy the Range over the Spartan for 2 reasons:

- Prefer the looks of the Range (do not like the Spartan linkage)
- Slacker HA of Range.

These machines are trail smashers, and I think slacker is going to be a winner to that end. I won't expect it to climb or handle flatter trails well anyway.
  • 2 0
 Wonder why no comparison with the Forbidden Dreadnought? It has only 6mm less travel (154 vs. 160mm) but definitely is on par with the Spartan HP and the Range.

Maybe a full on 2021 Hi-Pivot only bikes comparo is in order, since there are more such frames available now (Forbidden, Devinci, Norco, Cannondale, GT, etc.)?!
  • 4 0
 @mikekazimer which is the difference on the trail within a High pivot (spartan) and high virtual pivot (range)?
  • 5 2
 I’m tired of the misuse of the word jank: of extremely poor or unreliable quality. Woodwork that has lasted 30 years is not this.
  • 2 0
 how do you feel about 'rough stuff'?
  • 1 0
 @jamesbrant: or baby heads?
  • 1 0
 @jamesbrant: Slow tech I think is a better descriptor.
  • 1 0
 Why not mention the axle paths and anti-squat when comparing the similar bikes? Since high-pivot is the bullet-point of the season, wouldn't it make sense to compare/constrast the common differentiating characteristics of all high-pivots from other suspensions?
  • 1 0
 To get advantage of the growth of the WB - it should be more them the fork shrinks during compression, so far druid does that, while others remain the same wb under compression , ike looks more or less nice, weight a ton, priced quite reasonable;

Locals probably will by a bunch
  • 4 0
 That lower guide is set up so high. That has to create some serious drag.
  • 3 0
 I love the look of this, the price is way more than I expected tho. Who actually can purchase these bikes?
  • 5 0
 Probably no one. Thats why theyre all sold out Wink
  • 5 3
 What l really want is something like a Supercaliber "Evo", with 460-470 reach, 80mm of travel with a 66.5 degree ha.
Make twisty, mellow trails fun again
  • 8 0
 Epic evo is fun
  • 6 3
 Bit of a shame that a 2021/2 bike would need a headset slackeriser from new
  • 1 0
 its like no one ever rode dh 15 years ago ! thou i now run a alloy Wilson i stll have my Johnson ! find it funny when the kids unloading bikes up mountain talk about how heavy my rigs are !
  • 1 0
 My Wife rides a 2016 27.5 Wilson and man that thing is heavy lifting it onto the tail gate, like heavier than my XL supreme 29er but man shes a durable and beefy bike.
  • 4 0
 You get a high pivot, she gets a high pivot...everybody gets a high pivot!
  • 1 0
 Poor cable routing was a deal breaker for me when I was shopping for my previous bike (4 years ago...).

It is hard to put down the big bucks for something that is not perfect
  • 1 0
 That derailleur cable routing would make it a nightmare to get 12s drivetrains to shift perfectly for the OCD types out there. There has to have been a better way to route that.
  • 3 6
 Drop the cables. Perfect shifting every time.
  • 3 1
 Dear bike companies, your overweight high pivot bikes are going to kill the viability of high pivots, figure out how to fix this!
  • 3 1
 Can’t completely disagree, but…HP absolutely smashes chunky DH, maybe some of it has to do with getting the frames robust enough to withstand DH riding/racing. As a 200+ lb rider, I don’t have a problem trading off some weight for reliability.
  • 1 0
 Just leaving this here incase you want to keep yours protected!

Devinci Spartan HP Tailored Protection Kit
  • 1 1
 Weight is always the enemy tof performance. It is, however, the sav that heals the wound of broken frames. I don’t want a “lifetime” warranty at the expense of a heavy bike. Maybe you do, and that’s fine. Variety is the spice of life. But it’s not the R&D department making bikes heavier. That decision came from accounting and finance.
  • 2 1
 How does it compare to its little brother, the Troy? I am on a ‘21 Troy and it is one of the most playful, lively, and fun bikes I have ever ridden.
  • 5 0
 Well it's a long travel high pivot, so it won't be playful, lively, or fun.
  • 2 0
 @spaceofades: sounds like I made the right choice then!
  • 3 0
 Let's get the silhouette showdown going for all these high pivot bikes.
  • 2 0
 I am still riding my Spartan 2015, the geometry was inspired by Steve Smith #longlivechainsaw
  • 2 0
 A couple of years ago, my enduro bike had 65-65.5 HA.. and at my mediocre lvl then(and now, I could ride most of the trails that are in the 4-6 hour travel range from where I live.
Go forward a couple of years and the trails are basically the same but, you cannot, simply cannot ride them on anything higher than 64 degree HAs. Without that slack HA, we would probably die in agonizing pain.

having said that.. my *trail bike* is 65 degrees in HA and the *enduro* bike I will build in the next weeks will be in the 63 degrees HA range. #timeshavechanged
  • 3 0
 Love my Devincis but they definitely don't make light bikes.
  • 2 1
 @cyclesdevinci Been waiting for the release since I've seen the first spy shots.. But will there be a frame only option? Preferably in aluminium? Thanks!
  • 1 0
 Wouldn't the 180mm fork on the LTD version create a more slack HTA? I imagine that adding 10mm to the fork would push this thing into the 63.5-64 HTA range, no?
  • 2 0
 10mm is half a degree so about 64.0 in the slacker setting
  • 1 0
 What is the point of a carbon frame if it weighs the same as an aluminum frame and is just as strong? And it even costs more!
  • 1 0
 Gorgeous bike, but 36 lb with a carbon frame!!! A few years ago, most carbon bikes with 160/170mm of travel were around 30 lb. What the heft?
  • 1 0
 the problem with calves was there even on the previous one...
Shame.
On the other hand, one of the first High Pivot companies comes back to this idea- hope it will work Wink
  • 5 6
 All that wait time for a Spartan update and they didn’t make it 63.5 slack with a 78 degree seat angle? These angles are still form bikes 3 to 4 years old. At least they got the reach right.
  • 9 2
 Maybe because the longer and slacker trend needs to stop on day…
People (myself include) compare bike with geometry number but in reality, there is much more than that. Axle path, leverage, compression, etc etc. Everything need to be balanced. Not just head and seat angle.
  • 3 0
 Jack Moir is winning on a 66 ha bike with spacer underneath the head tube (probably around 65 ha now) so no complaints here.
  • 1 0
 Saw one of these in the bike park Saturday that was sporting a dual crown fork. Looked pretty burly.
  • 5 7
 Nice bike... the argument is sounds regarding the geometry...but the entry level carbon GX is 7150$CAD?
With taxes and zero-negotiation policy on buying new bikes these days, we are taking 8220 $CAD. I mean... Tabarknak.
Last generation, made-in-Canada Aluminum Spartan 29 was 4800 $CAD. Not taking a dump on Devinci here, but It really feels likes there's shark the whole bike industry is currently jumping over.

But i guess this is what happens when 2 big companies (SRAM and Shimano / Fox and RockShox) dominate the OEM market. The frame makers have to jack the prices way up to absorb component costs and reach some sort of profitability. I am soooo ready for this oligarchy to end and let economic competition bring prices back down for the common folk. Come on.
  • 4 2
 Oligarchy, monopolies and plutocracy are the intended outcomes of capitalism, the 1% isnt a mistake, they are the point of the system, to reinforce the power of the 1%. You want sram and shimano to give up oligarchy? You'll have to pry it from their cold dead hands, the rich never give up wealth willingly.
  • 3 0
 @pierre22 About on par or cheaper than most other carbon GX bikes. Devinci still offers the alloy Spartan (non high pivot) in the $4k range.
  • 1 0
 Can't really see why that spec comes with a 38 Performance. It just seems so inadecuate for the build.
  • 1 1
 This has to be the shortest chainstay on a bike of this travel. It should be similar to my marin Mount Vision which has a 420 chain stay for a smaller rear wheel.
  • 1 0
 Okay I need an education. I don't see any small or medium travel high pivot bikes. Is this only conducive for longer travel?
  • 2 0
 Well there’s the Druid, which everyone claims that it rides better than 150mm bikes.
  • 2 0
 @xxinsert-name-herexx: Thx. I forgot about the Druid.
  • 2 0
 Deviate Highlander: 140mm
  • 2 0
 Please stop typing "Devinici".
  • 2 0
 Without High Pivot, this would be the nicest bike.
  • 7 7
 All these frame designs looking the same…. It’s just bone idler laziness….
  • 9 5
 you need an idler for ANY high-pivot bikes, single or multi link. just the nature of the design. look at Canfiepd's Jedi. not high pivot but it mimics the axle and chain path. Still needed an idler. PS. i called it, was a spartan
  • 1 0
 The chain guide`s position just looks wrong
  • 4 3
 Oh,look! A freeride bike!
  • 3 2
 i liked it better when wrapped
  • 1 0
 That’s a beautiful bike.
  • 1 0
 trail smasher? it should be banned from any trail !
  • 2 1
 64.5 degree HTA in the slack setting?
Yuck!
  • 2 1
 That’s good for 2017
  • 2 1
 That cable routing is horrendous
  • 2 3
 Also do I speak for anyone else when I say to all bike companies PLEASE stop speccing Fox performance line suspension. It rides like shit and I'd much rather have a Rockshox fork with a Charger RC damper for the same price. It's so frustrating when Rockshox only ever seems to be found on the lowest spec levels these days when arguably the performance is the same (or better IMO).
  • 2 1
 426mm chainstays, 157, take my money
  • 1 0
 I thought it was an e-bike
  • 1 0
 It's bikes like this that make me wish i was a park rat again....
  • 1 0
 Maybe I missed the memo, but was it really called a “jelly ball”?
  • 2 1
 Siiiiiiiickkk
  • 3 3
 I'm loving these Mulletless bikes. Keep them coming!
  • 1 0
 Another high pivot copy
  • 2 4
 The colors on the proto models looked so much better
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