Review: 2022 Santa Cruz Heckler MX - The Battery Powered Bronson

Feb 1, 2022
by Mike Kazimer  
The Heckler used to be a simple single-pivot machine, a bike that fell into the 'takes a licking and keeps on ticking' category. That changed back in 2020 when it re-emerged as the motorized equivalent of the Bronson with 150mm of rear travel and a 160mm fork. That marked Santa Cruz's entry into the eMTB world, and it wasn't long before the Bullit model name was unearthed and electrified as well.

The Bronson received a geometry update last summer, so it only makes sense that the Heckler has received the same treatment. Along with the new angles, the 2022 Heckler now has more battery capacity thanks to a 720 Wh battery manufactured by Darfon, one of Shimano's approved partners. That's a significant step up from the 504 Wh battery that was used before, which should allow for much longer ride times.
Heckler MX Details

• Wheel size: 29" front, 27.5" rear (29" version available)
• CC Carbon frame
• Travel: 150mm, 160mm fork
• 64.5-degree head angle
• 446mm chainstays
• Shimano EP8 motor
• Weight: 48.4 lb / 22 kg
• Price: $13,299 USD

Going with the Darfon battery does mean that it uses a different charger than the one used for a Shimano battery - at the moment there isn't any standardization between manufacturers, a topic Ryan Palmer digs into in more detail here.

There are five different version of the Heckler, all with carbon frames. That means the prices are the opposite of inexpensive, ranging from $8,199 USD for the Heckler R, which has a SRAM NX drivetrain, RockShox Lyrik Select fork and Super Deluxe Select shock, and WTB i30 rims laced to SRAM MTH hubs.

The top of the line version is the X01 AXS RSV model reviewed here, which goes for an eye-watering $13,299 USD. It receives Santa Cruz's CC carbon construction, which allows the frame weight to be reduced by 392 grams compared to the other models in the lineup that use the 'C' carbon layup. Parts highlights include a Fox 36 Factory fork and RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate shock, SRAM X01 AXS wireless drivetrain, and Reserve carbon rims laced to Industry Nine 1/1 hubs.

bigquotesThe Heckler's geometry makes it especially well suited to trails with a little bit of everything. Mike Kazimer


Frame Features & Motor Details

The Heckler's carbon frame has all the features you'd hope to find on a bike of this caliber (or on any modern bike for that matter). There's internal cable routing, a universal derailleur hanger, room for a water bottle inside the front triangle, and clearance for up to a 2.6” rear tire. There's also room to fit a coil shock or an air shock with a larger body. The shock now has a flip chip, which can be used to steepen the bike by a minuscule amount, while also raising the bottom bracket by a whole 4 millimeters.

Shimano's EP8 motor is back for another round, with the familiar looking display situated to the right of the stem, and the two button mode selector on the left side of the handlebar. The charging port is on the non-drive side of the bike, or the entire battery can be removed with a quarter turn of a 4mm Allen key.

The Heckler uses a Shimano EP8 motor and a 720 Wh battery.

There's no integrated display yet - instead, it's mounted next to the stem.


Geometry & Sizing

The numbers for the Heckler are very close to those of the Bronson, save for the chainstay length, which grows a little to allow the frame to accept the EP8 motor. The mixed-wheel Heckler's chainstays measure in at 460mm vs. 445mm on the 29” version.

There are five sizes of the mixed-wheel Heckler (the XS rolls on dual 27.5” wheels), and four sizes of the Heckler 29. The head angle sits at 64.5-degrees in the low setting, or it can be steepened up a smidgen to 64.8-degrees. I'm not sure why Santa Cruz keep sticking with a flip chip that makes such a little change. It does alter the shock's progression slightly – it's more progressive in the slacker setting – but it just doesn't seem like a meaningful enough difference to really call out as a feature.

Reach numbers range from 427mm on the XS all the way up to 517mm on the XXL. The size large I tested has a 472mm reach.


Suspension Design

The Heckler sticks with Santa Cruz's trademark VPP suspension layout, which uses two short counter-rotating links to deliver 150mm of rear travel. The leverage curve is progressive, with a very linear change – there aren't any unexpected changes in the ratio as the bike goes through its travel.

Price $13299
Travel 150mm
Rear Shock RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate
Fork Fox 36 Float Factory 160mm
Cassette SRAM XG 1295 10-50 T
Crankarms Shimano
Chainguide e*thirteen
Bottom Bracket Shimano EP8 motor / 720Wh battery
Rear Derailleur SRAM X01 Eagle AXS
Shifter Pods SRAM X01 AXS
Handlebar Santa Cruz carbon 35mm rise / 800mm
Stem Burgtec Enduro
Grips Santa Cruz lock-on
Brakes SRAM Code RSC
Hubs Industry Nine 1/1
Rim Reserve DH (rear) / Reserve 30 (front)
Tires Maxxis Assegai 2.5" / DHR II 2.4", EXO+
Seat WTB Volt
Seatpost FOX Transfer Factory


Test Bike Setup

I ran 190 psi in the SuperDeluxe rear shock, which gave me a little over 30% sag. In the Fox 36 fork I went with 93 psi and three volume spacers for my 160 pound weight. Other than trimming the bars down to my preferred 780mm width I didn't need to do anything out of the ordinary to feel right at home on the Heckler - even the house-branded lock-on grips were super comfortable.

I luckily avoided getting any flats during testing, likely due in part to the fact that many of my rides took place in wet or snowy conditions. If this were my bike, I'd run a DoubleDown casing in the rear at the very least for additional protection and support.

Testing took place around Bellingham, WA, on some of the wettest days of the year, with a couple weeks of riding in the snow added in for good measure.

Mike Kazimer
Location: Bellingham, WA, USA
Age: 39
Height: 5'11" / 180cm
Inseam: 33" / 84cm
Weight: 160 lbs / 72.6 kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @mikekazimer



The Heckler's geometry is fairly moderate, at least for a bike in this travel bracket. It's not crazy long or slack, which makes sense given its all-round intentions. The same goes for the 76.7-degree seat angle - it creates an upright position that avoids feeling cramped, and it remains comfortable even on flatter sections of trail. On an e-bike it's possible to stay seated much longer than you would on a bike without a motor, so that positioning is even more important.

I'm a fan of the mixed-wheel setup on full power e-bikes. It seems to make it easier really push into the rear wheel on extra-steep climbs, no matter if I was sitting or standing. For a 48 pound bike the Heckler is easy to maneuver, and the EP8 motor provides plenty of power for getting up chunky, tricky sections. There's a good blend of support and traction from the Super Deluxe shock too – even with 32% sag there wasn't any unwanted movement, and I never had to use the climb switch. Of course, the fact that there's a motor does help reduce concerns over things like efficiency or pedal bob – when it feels like someone's shoving you uphill with both hands there's not much to complain about.

The power delivery isn't quite as natural feeling as Specialized's motor, but it doesn't take long to adapt – the key is to pedal at a slightly quicker cadence than you'd normally use on a non-motorized bike in order to keep that assistance going.

Shimano's E-Tube app makes it possible to adjust the level of support that each mode provides in order to customize the bike's performance. Turning down the max torque or assist character in each mode can increase the battery life, or cranking it up can make for an extra speedy ride. Personally, I prefer Boost mode to provide as much power as possible, with Trail mode taking things down a few notches for a less frenetic ride. I typically ride in Trail mode for rides on actual trails, Boost for zipping up fireroads, and Eco when I've almost drained the battery and am trying to finish a ride without the battery completely cutting out.

Battery range will vary depending on factors like rider weight, the average grade of a climb, etc..., so I don't have any exact figures for how long the 720 Wh battery will last. I will say that I think it's a great size for this type of bike, especially since it's not much heavier than the 630 Wh battery. More power without more weight? That seems like a no-brainer to me, and that capacity makes it possible to crank out some decently long rides without getting the dreaded red bar on the battery display. On that note, it's still frustrating the Shimano's display doesn't show the remaining battery life in the form of a percentage. I'd be willing to bet that the next version will, but it's an annoyance in the meantime.



The Heckler's geometry makes it especially well suited to trails with a little bit of everything. It's not trying to achieve DH-bike levels of slackness, or break any records in the reach department, which means that where the Heckler shines is on technical terrain that doesn't always plunge straight down the fall line – put some twists and turns in front of it that can be hit with some speed and it's in its element. That style of riding happens to be what I gravitate towards when I'm on an e-bike. I like trying to make my way up rutted out, awkward moto trails, and then working my way through tight, weird sections of trail on the way back down.

The Heckler can hold its own on rowdier, steeper trails - the extra weight gives it a bigger presence on the trail than the non-motorized Bronson, but if I was looking for an e-bike to replace a shuttle truck I'd want something with a little more travel, like the 170mm Bullit, in order to soften the impact from those bigger hits even further. The Heckler does make the most of its 150mm of travel though, and the extra weight of the motor does give it traction and cornering grip that you'd be hard pressed to find in a 'regular' bike. The shock tune worked well with the overall feel of the bike - it's supportive for smoother sections of trail, while still providing a good level of small bump sensitivity, a trait that came in handy when the trails were covered with a layer of slippery slime. On bigger jumps and drops the Heckler does a great job of avoiding any bone-rattling bottom outs in both the high and low geometery settings – there's a very smooth ramp up, and even when I used all of the travel it was never harsh.

We've mentioned the Shimano EP8 motor rattle ad nauseam, so I won't go too deep into it. The motor on the Heckler does rattle, but it was really only on harder packed, chunky trails that I noticed it. Many of my rides took place when the ground was wet and soft, conditions that likely helped mute the noise, or maybe I've learned to tune it out. Still, I do hope that noise is taken care in future versions.

On really steep trails I did find myself wishing for a longer dropper post. The 175mm Transfer post isn't that short, but I like my seat as far out of the way as possible when I'm pointed straight down the fall line on a steep, loose chute, and would have preferred a 200mm dropper.


The charging port cover is pretty flimsy - it survived the test period, but I kept worrying it was going to get torn off.
DoubleDown casing tires would be a better choice for improved flat protection.

Technical Report

Overall spec: There are a few spec choice on the Heckler that seem a little out of place. Keep in mind that Santa Cruz has the bigger, burlier Bullit already in their lineup - I'm sure they were trying to avoid stealing too much of that bike's thunder. The thing it, it's not as if the Heckler is trying to fit into the emerging lighter weight e-bike category – this isn't an Orbea Rise or a Specialized Levo SL – which means I'd rather see it come with a 220mm front rotor and burlier tires.

Those extra grams aren't going to affect the range that much, and I'm more than willing to take a slight weight penalty for better performance. I could also see larger riders wishing for a Fox 38 rather than a 36. I'm on the lighter side, so the 36 is stiff enough for me, but I also wouldn't have complained if there was a 38 instead.

Battery charging port cover: The rubber cover for the battery charging port is quite thin and flimsy. It managed to survive the test period, but I was constantly afraid it was going to get torn off somehow. It also doesn't stay closed very well, which is a bit nerve-wracking when riding in very wet conditions.

Mud collection: The same thing I wrote when I reviewed the Bullit applies here, so I'm going to quote myself. “The VPP suspension layout and the EP8 motor itself creates lots of little nooks and crannies for mud and grit to get into – be prepared to spend a little extra time keeping everything clean, and it's worth taking the plastic covers around the motor off every once in a while to remove the debris that'll inevitably work its way inside.”

Santa Cruz Heckler 2022 review
Santa Cruz Heckler
2021 Specialized Turbo Levo
Specialized Turbo Levo

How Does It Compare?

Specialized's Turbo Levo is a close contemporary of the Heckler. Both bikes have mixed wheels (although there's not full-29” version of the Levo), 150mm of rear travel, and a 160mm fork. The reach and rear center numbers are quite similar between the two, but Specialized get a point for the wide range of geometry options that are available via a chainstay flip chip and swappable headset cup. While I'd say the Heckler's geometry is going to work well for most people in most locations, it'd still be nice to have the option to tweak the head angle more than .3-degrees – the Levo's head angle can be altered by a whopping 2.5 degrees from the slackest to steepest setting.

The power delivery on the Levo is smoother, and gives the bike a more natural ride feel compared to the EP8 motor on the Heckler. The Levo does feel draggier with the motor off, but most riders hopefully won't need to ride it like that very often. Another point in Specialized's favor is the integrated top tube display – it shows the battery level in the form of a percent, and can be customized to show a wide range of other metrics, from speed to elevation gained.

Overall, the ride experience between the two bikes is fairly similar, but Specialized's motor brings a level of refinement to the table that Shimano hasn't managed to match, and the frame's geometry adjustments give it broader range of terrain that it can be customized for.

When it comes to price it's a pretty even match when comparing what you get for the same dollar amount – the $13,000 Levo Pro has a very similar spec to the X01 ASX RSV, other than not having wireless shifting. Specialized does raise the price bar even higher than Santa Cruz with their $15,000 S-Works model, but the fact that they also offer an aluminum version for $5,500 helps counteract that to some extent. Santa Cruz doesn't have an aluminum Heckler in their lineup, which means there's no model that could even be considered slightly budget-friendly.
Photo Ryan Palmer
Is E-bike Battery Standardization a Pipe Dream?

Of course it is—this is the bike industry we're talking about. Bike companies can’t even agree on a single axle standard or just one bottom bracket interface. Most industries are the same, always seemingly more concerned about edging ahead of the competition than agreeing on universal solutions for the greater good. It’s easier to market things as features when they’re proprietary. All this plus much more prevents this sort of idea from becoming a reality.

Except that it already is.
(read Palmer's thoughts over on Beta)



+ Very versatile, balanced geometry
+ 720 Wh battery gives it plenty of range for most rides


- High cost of entry
- Some of the spec choices don't align with the bike's capabilities, like the EXO+ tires and 200mm front rotor

Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesThe new Heckler's increased battery capacity and improved geometry bring it up to speed, and it now occupies a spot as a versatile, albeit fairly expensive, option that can take on a wide range of adventures without running out of juice too quickly. Mike Kazimer

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  • 161 4
 What's with the EXO tires on e-bikes? They were dumb on Enduro bikes, but even dumber on e-bikes. Who cares about another 200 grams if the bike has its own motor?
  • 28 105
flag Pinemtn (Feb 1, 2022 at 0:42) (Below Threshold)
 Because the weight dramatically affects the battery life.
  • 91 11
 Cheaper to spec and typical ebike consumer doesn’t know the difference. Forces more tire purchases.

They must do this shit on purpose…
  • 17 1
 @Pinemtn: but does it even matter when you're getting punctures every 3-4 rides?????? absolutely not, imo.
  • 9 2
 The supply chain is still a mess. I'm assuming this was the only tire they could get in high enough quantity to have consistency across the production run, while also having the all important MAXXIS logo on the sidewall. They know that we know that EXO sucks for this application, but for many, having the right brand on the tire is more important.
  • 16 5
 I'm guessing the average buyer of a 13k santa cruz ebike are probably going to be older and not so smashy any more. Exo will be better for many of them in a lot of places.
  • 15 4
 The EXO+ tires used here are quite a bit more sturdy than the regular EXOs, DD adds 200gr per tire and the sidewall is quite a bit stiffer. I would prefer the Exo+ unless there is really rough rocks.
  • 15 16
 They are way strong enough for 90% of the customers: dentists from Sillicon Valley who never rode a bike before
  • 19 0
 Maxxis has recently changed (ruined) EXO+ tires. They no longer have the silk shield protection layer and are also no longer 120 tpi, they are basically just an EXO with bead protection.
Old EXO+:
New EXO+:
  • 3 1
 @GBeard: ah so sad, the "old" ones I have are fantastic.
  • 6 0
 @GBeard: interesting. IMO more relevant to how I flat on EXO tires. I never found the old EXO+ to offer any real advantage.
  • 11 0
 @GBeard: Oh that’s great news! The old EXO+ was more puncture prone than EXO in my opinion. How come no MTB-site has covered this!
  • 3 0
 So the brands can claim a weight that is not ridiculous. Specialized are even worse on their tyre spec for e-bikes. Kudos to Norco for kitting out their bikes with decent tyres.
  • 4 0
 @tadpoledancer: Ive found the same to be true, got more flats on exo+ than exo on my trail bike
  • 1 2
 @Bperd: this is a good point too, the weight claim for sure. That’s true of all bikes…dh come with f*cking single ply!!! At least mine did.
  • 1 0
 They've basically the mtb equivalent of prius tires, which makes sense when you think about it
  • 4 0
 And what's with carbon on E bikes...just easier to make the battery hiding downtube?
  • 1 0
 @GBeard: Dang, when did that happen? I’ve been running DD DHR in the rear with EXO+ MaxxGrip Assegai front on a couple of my bikes. If this is how it’s going to be, I guess I’ll just go all DD all the time.
  • 1 0
 @jpcars10s: Same, so is the new butyl bead strip tougher than the old silk liner thing for pinch flats?
  • 1 0
 @pasteque51: bottomed one out at 26# on Sunday... now I need to see a dentist
  • 1 0
 @GBeard: excellent info! Why has there been no coverage of this anywhere!?!
  • 1 0
 I guess they could effort the DD verion or the DH version, as the bike has such a low margin ; )
  • 1 0
 @tadpoledancer: problem solved. Is it great news or is it great news?--@GBeard opines EXO+ is ruined now. One less hot patch either way
  • 1 0
 Ruined may be a bit of a stretch, pointless may be more accurate. I guess we will see if the butyl insert actually does anything, otherwise may as well go regular EXO or DD depending on if you need the extra protection. Being on the lighter end of the weight spectrum (63kg) I never had a problem with the original EXO+. To be fair I never noticed a benefit from the silk shield but I did like the 120tpi for better rolling resistance and felt it gave more traction as well.
  • 1 0
 I care. You still have to pedal it. And the last DD tyre I bought came with a built-in wobble. I have an EXO on the front and an EXO+ on the rear of my Merida e160, with Rimpact inserts. I ride pretty aggressively and the tyres have held up pretty well, only one flat rear tyre in nine months and ~1000km of riding. Flatted my spare tube at 26psi in the same ride.

P.S. Santa Cruz stole my bike's paint job. Ha ha, mine only cost 6000 Aussie dollars.
  • 1 1
 @WishIWazFaster: lmao single ply up front on an eeb. You riding walking paths?
  • 1 0
 @nvranka: This is one of my local walking paths.
I try not to smash my bike into rocks and stuff. I think the inserts help and also I'm 80kg 175lbs in riding gear so maybe that helps too. Run 21/22psi front and 24psi rear.
  • 1 1
 @WishIWazFaster: why you pm me if you just going to post here lol.

My reply:
Lol even at that speed I bet they squirm like little beta boys. And although that terrain is basically xc/trail, I’d still be nowhere near it with single ply lmao. Doesn’t matter if you avoid rocks, you could easily rip a tire off the rim if you were capable of schralping a corner.

Kudos for posting a clip though. No one ever does

You could easily convince me of this on a trail bike but not an E lmao

PS those are disgusting pressures on an E with single ply hahahahaa
  • 1 0
 @nvranka: Each to his own I guess. It works fine for me. It's not me down-propping you either btw. I try to be more grown-up than that. :-)
  • 1 1
 @WishIWazFaster: word. I don’t care about my points or whatever the hell it is anyways all g

I was being an ass earlier, enjoy your single ply buddy.
  • 103 1
 I wish it was more expensive
  • 2 7
flag HendersonMike (Feb 1, 2022 at 19:51) (Below Threshold)
 LOL! Awesome "wish". I actually just recently bought a Bullit, DAM SCs are Expensive!
  • 53 3
 I realise I sound like a broken record, but my 2018 commencal meta power that I upgraded to Mullet has similar geometry (slacker seatpost is only real difference), similar weight (23kg with DH tyres), just a slightly less powerful motor and smaller battery. €4.5k vs €9.6k for the equivalent build, ridiculous.
  • 24 2
 And I know 2022 bike market isn't the same, but look at SCOR: brand new design, same motor and battery, carbon: 6k for a SLX/XT build. Looks like the big players are trying to grab as much cash as possible before the inevitable market crash.
  • 19 1
 @Mugen: it's called the Gucci effect... capitalize it. There will always be that who will buy it..
  • 6 1
 The worst thing is people have done back to back tests and the old e8000 motor is faster up hills than the newer ep8 (check youtube for reviews!)
  • 3 0
 @Mugen: Or Lapierre selling the GLP2 with SLX/XT, Europe made carbon frame and Bosch 4 gen for 6K too.
  • 14 2
 I see you called it upgrading to mullet - what benefits?
  • 1 0
 @Mugen: agree
  • 8 4
 @Kmccann137: ride one. They become obvious.
  • 15 0
 Ridiculous, yes but my Fellow Filipinos will buy a lot of them!!!
  • 7 0
 @promdi: lol this is a good socal joke well played
  • 6 2
 @Kmccann137: Going from full 27.5 to mullet, with same travel up front: way slacker head angle and bigger wheel gives a lot more confidence at high speed. Not much downsides, BB is a bit higher but thats a benefit in e-biking for tech climbs
  • 5 1
 @Mugen: this guy gets it.
  • 2 0
I live in SoCal. Aside from it’s more expensive, I don’t wanna have the same bike a lot of riders have.
  • 5 2
 @Jvisscher: I call bs. Simply because this is a "trust me bro" argument.
  • 4 3
 @SimonJaeger: Do you want charts and graphs? Or race results? I base my decisions on if a change is bad or not based on what it feels like when i try it. How do you make your decisions? Based on what someone else tells you with a chart or graph or something? Ok. Each to their own. I prefer to try it myself and ignore the marketing.
  • 4 1
 @SimonJaeger: notice I didnt say, trust me bro, its bad. Or trust me bro, its good. I said, try it yourself.
  • 3 0
 I agree. I've put my 2021 Trek Rail into a mullet set up. Much better value and running the superior Bosch motot (in my opinion).
  • 1 0
 @promdi: “overtime pa more” so they can buy bling bling parts on the weekly fashion show at the trailhead parking lot
  • 1 0
 yeah except i tried to order one and those clowns wont ship to me and i live in USA
  • 3 1
 @Kmccann137: mullet is undoubtedly better
  • 1 0
 @Mugen: ahh I have the 2018 meta am 29 so I didn’t realize you upgraded the 27.5 version. I would say going mullet on the 29er would not be an upgrade.
  • 1 0
 @Kmccann137: yup agree, experimented with mulleting my Capra 29, no real benefit for me (no real downsides either)
  • 1 0
 @Mugen: often see comments like this…how can you not notice the benefits of a smaller wheel in the back lol?

There are clear straight line upsides to full 29, but the mullet is a very noticeable change imo and certainly only a benefit for steep / tight tracks
  • 2 0
 @nvranka: Sure, I'm not saying it is the same, just that putting a 27.5 rear wheel on a full 29er will have some benefits and some drawbacks. I prefer the smoother ride and more grip of the 29er, but I see a lot of people prefer the clearance and snappy turning of the mullet.

But, going from a full 27.5 setup to mullet, the benefits are much bigger, and the downsides arn't really noticeable, so it is much more of a no-brainer.
  • 42 2
 I know it is somewhat frowned upon to complain about the prices of bikes here, but dear Lord those prices....
  • 33 0
 I know right! You could get a nice hardtail for that!
  • 7 0
 @tomhoward379: Maybe an alloy version...
  • 5 8
 Since most of the users are unable to get up 50m of elevation, the probably aim to get dat health insurance money
  • 2 1
 Agreed…but to be fair my riding buds just spent roughly 13kea. on standard mountain bikes, 1 SC Bronson & 1 was a Spesh Enduro..
  • 6 0
 @yamaboy2000: It's not just e-bikes, bike prices in general are just gettin ludicrous as you pointed out. Judging by your username, you're familiar with motorcycles as well. Have you seen what $13K get's you? The new and much praised Yamaha T700 is $10K...
  • 4 0
 @Exbow: exactly, brands should start introducing frame kits for e-bikes. 13k is just ridiculous for a mountain bike
  • 4 0
 Completely agree, it’s always been tricky to compare mountain bikes to dirt bikes for a various reasons but a KTM with a proper 18kw motor and a 3.9kwh battery is only $11k…. The tiny motor and battery on these things should not be almost doubling the price of them. It feels like a bit of a money grab to me given the trail access issues still. If I am going to ride on an OHV Trail I might as well get a full powered dirt bike.
  • 54 22
 This (and most other ebikes on the market) seems like really bad design to me.
- No gearbox, still using flimsy derailleur, but now with massively increased torque
- Charging point with flimsy cover down by the bb where it will get caked in mud and submerged in river crossings
- No integrated display, instead clutters handlebars with remote display
- Massive hole in the downtube, either reducing stiffness or increasing...
- Weight. Lots of it. 22kg seems pretty heavy
- Well known issues with Shimano motor rattle
- AXS mech uses it's own tiny battery that needs frequently charging instead of the massive one in the downtube
  • 10 0
 I agree on the battery point. If I was buying an ebike, I wouldn’t want to have to worry about all the other batteries like axs mech, seatpost, and maybe even flight attendant if I had a lottery win.
  • 43 40
 Agreed, all ebikes are horrific things to look at. Take something beatiful and simple, the push bike and make it heavy and complicated, the ebike. Which by the way is a motorbike any way you look at it.
  • 3 5
 oh and don't get me started on that tiny fender and how exposed the shock and lower links are to rear wheel spray
  • 2 3
 The ugly top o line scott e bike seems to have a cable going to the battery for the axs; like the big battery powers it, not the axs battery.
  • 25 2
 @tonybollock: says the guy with an orange
  • 10 4
 hard agree. E-bikes would look, and function, a lot better if the companies would give up on trying to shove a motor and electronics into the form factor of a traditional mountain bike, and just design them from the ground up as what they are. There's zero reason to keep the derailleur, and don't get me started on all the wires and controls. and let's not forget the nightmare rat's nest that's caused by trying to jam a motor into the bottom bracket while trying to keep a traditional seat tube, down tube, and chain stays in place.
  • 14 17
 99% of E-bikers dont care.
They dont know the difference between SLX, XT or a Fox Rythm vs Grip 2 etc.

They are literally cash cows.

No way a Honda CB650R costs less to produce than an E Bike. A frickin 4 Zylinder bike with Abs, leds etc costs less than a mid range Kenevo.
  • 4 2
 Your post reminds me of how fortunate I feel to be young enough to enjoy super capable mountain bikes and not needing any assist. Hopefully when I'm old e-bikes will be better implemented.
  • 9 11
 @terrybullwon: tbf it is hard to really love an Orange I'll give you that.
Mine's gone now but still give me that over any ebike ever been made any day of the week!
  • 3 1
 @tonybollock: My sentiments exactly mate.
  • 2 0
 @tonybollock: It is a different sport. It is easier just to ignore them and recognize them as a separate hobby than it is to complain about it. Try the ebike filter that PB kindly provided.
  • 28 1
 Blue and green must never be seen, unless there's a battery in between.
  • 20 2
 Cool to have an updated Heckler, but I feel Santa Cruz still has room for a light ebike with slim down tube, built around the new Darfon 360Wh ("E2C08") battery (now that they went with Darfon for the Heckler). So basically a competitor to Orbea Rise and Specialized Levo SL. Maybe name it Nickel?
  • 3 1
 Absolutely. I've ridden a Levo and found that it's too much assist (even when dialed down) for climbing and too heavy and chunky when descending. The Rise and Levo SL are both much more appealing.
  • 2 0
 +1Million. Currently the Kenevo SL is too much bike for me, but it aligns with my goals/riding much more than the Levo SL (which at 6'3" the XL is still too small) and the Rise. With an E-Bike I will not buy something without an LBS, and I do not have a local Orbea dealer.
  • 3 0
 Too bad they used the Superlight name for the Blur's flex stays
  • 1 0
 Like a 5010E? But the V3 style not the new, ugly one? Yup!
  • 25 8
 sure the brose motor is smoother than the EP8....that's only because they tend to be broken at any given point and nothing as as smooth as a non-running motor!

no joke, the number of failed levo motors to failed shimano motors I have dealt with is an easy 15:1. multiple a week from spesh. to the point where I have a stack of boxes ready to drop a motor in and send back. lol
  • 3 17
flag fueled (Feb 1, 2022 at 2:58) (Below Threshold)
 Perhaps there are 15 times more Levo motors than EP8 motors?
  • 6 0
 Actually a e-Spesh are worth more second hand after the motor has failed and serviced. Some say it lasts a bit longer after failing the first time.
  • 7 1
 @fueled: WRONG, 15:1 more Shimano motors around as they are used in a bunch of different bike brands that start at a much lower price point. I see Mabe 3-5 Spesh bikes vs 70+ other brands on a trail any given Saturday
  • 7 0
 'Specialized's motor brings a level of warranty replacement to the table that Shimano hasn't managed to match.'
  • 5 0
 @LemonadeMoney: Well they’ve mastered swapping motors when their customers need 3-6 motors a year. My buddy is on his 6th on his 2020 Levo and lives in So Cal and never ridden it in the rain
  • 2 10
flag conoat (Feb 1, 2022 at 10:01) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: the number of times you do this, is only indicative of one thing.....

I have a penthouse suite in your head for free!

cheers, ya fookin Canuck!
  • 2 1
 @LemonadeMoney: wouldnt you just rather have it not break?
  • 1 5
flag conoat (Feb 1, 2022 at 10:02) (Below Threshold)
 @vanillarice19: wait until you see the failure rate in the UK!
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Btw, not Canadian, never been to Canada, don’t know what a ‘Canuck’ is, I’m sure it’s a lovely compliment coming from such a nice person though.
  • 2 9
flag conoat (Feb 1, 2022 at 10:41) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: you know that saying, " If you don't know who the dumbest person in the room is....its you"?

it applies here....both to the actual quote and to the issue of a Canuck
  • 4 2
 @conoat: thanks for that barman, make mine a double.
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flag conoat (Feb 1, 2022 at 11:08) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: double.....spit?
  • 3 1
 @conoat: well, it’s obvious why you are an ex barman now isn’t it.
  • 1 8
flag conoat (Feb 1, 2022 at 11:39) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: sure is. I got tired of c*nts like you, and I decided to just rest on the pile of money I have. lol
  • 3 2
 @conoat: hahah, sure you did Walter, sure you did.
  • 1 6
flag conoat (Feb 1, 2022 at 23:41) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: this penthouse suite in your head isn't as good as one would imagine.....not a lot here besides a few dumb ideas and an inferiority complex.
  • 2 1
 @conoat: so your saying that how you believe I am thinking about you isn’t how I should imagine and that you are full of dumb ideas and have an inferiority complex?

That explains things Walter, thanks for clearing it up.
  • 2 2
 Oh just go and get your handbags the pair of you.
  • 3 1
 @NZRalphy: Tell Walter to stop bullying me and calling me nasty names.
  • 19 0
 It is testament to how much I like Kazimer that I have read an entire ebike review, just because he wrote it.
  • 13 0
 The raffle is already finished Wink
  • 17 1
 For over 13,000 usd, this really needs a warranty on the motor longer than 2 years, especially when there is a lifetime warranty on the frame (seems silly when the motor is a structural part of the frame)

Are they just expecting people to fork out 1,000+ for a new motor every 2 years?
Yes. Yes they are.
  • 4 1
 I’m sure an owner of a $13k bike can afford a $1000 motor every 5 years
  • 21 7
 The fact they updated this instead of the Megatower is very revealing. The fact Santa Cruz flexed their muscle to get motors and batteries is revealing. The fact they are letting their “enduro race bike”, the hottest segment of the market not too long ago, wither away on the vine is revealing.

All your whining and complaining is for naught. Santa Cruz is going electric.
  • 19 1
 Or the Megatower got slightly delayed and is coming next...
  • 9 2
 You mean PON are going electric. I’ve never really associated Santa Cruz with enduro. Do they even have a team?
  • 4 0
 There was a time not too long ago when Santa Cruz's co-founder and CEO Rob Roskopp claimed that Santa Cruz would not make an E-Bike as longe as he's alive. How the times have changed.
  • 3 0
 @PJJ205: I don't think they need to update any of their bikes....except for their e-bike offering and making a lightweight.
  • 2 1
 @Muscovir: I've noticed too that Santa Cruz has kind of lost their edge. And it seems to reflect in their popularity. At least where I live.

Even just two years ago literally all the "cool kids" (and their dads) had a Megatower, Hightower or Nomad. Now, most of them are moving on to different companies. I'm seeing a lot of Propain Spindrift now.
  • 17 0
 13K and you only get I9 1/1's NOT HYDRA'S......
  • 3 0
 and i got them stock on my 6k evil
  • 1 0
 @NicolaZesty314: I was supposed to as well, but according to EVIL EU there was an issue getting them on my MX Insurgent. Got E13’s instead. I’m rocking Onyx now though!
  • 27 13
 Reading the comments reminds me why its so important to do well at school. You end up happier with disposable income, not penniless & jealous.
  • 4 6
  • 8 9
 Spoken like a true shill. You must really enjoy sucking corporate d*ck.
  • 17 2
 Oh please. Like many middle aged people on Pinkbike, I can afford to splash 13k on a bike. I won't however because this is terrible value for money. This bike is realistically worth half the money.
  • 6 11
flag wburnes (Feb 1, 2022 at 12:22) (Below Threshold)
 Most people who do well at school end up with student loan debt, and terrible politics.
People who don't go to college aren't penniless; many trades have better outcomes financially.
Why would anyone be jealous?
Do you really think money is the key to happiness?
  • 5 1
 @GloryNZ: same here, i can afford one, but do i think its worth 6 grand over other brands offerings that still use generic bar mounted displays and motors with the same rattle just to have santa cruz written on the side. absolutely not.
  • 3 2
 +1 Or in my case I left college and started something. Whether it did well or not does not matter, I still live below my means and keep my list of hobbies short, but well enjoyed. Save, invest, don't get scared by black swans.
  • 2 0
 @SimonJaeger: BAAAHAHAHAAA lol
  • 2 0
 Dirtbag uneducated craftsmen,

Thanks for the sport but we’ll take it from here! Snack boxes, wagon wheels, and electronic actuation for all!

We do thank you for your continued interest in our sport, someone from our team shall be reaching out soon.

-All the educated people you never see at the dh or dj’s.
  • 1 0
 @emptybe-er: thank you. Wisdom has spoken.
  • 14 3
 Try selling it to me again when the bike has 150km effective range offroad, weighs 5kg less and costs a third of its current price.

Until then; not interested.
  • 23 7
 I’m 50 years old now, so I hope to have another ten, or maybe 15 years in me, in which I don‘t have to switch to a motor powered bike. When the time comes, I hope the range will be at least 80km.

And hopefully the things will have lost the cranks and pedals by then, the few times I tried one, I felt really stupid having to imitate a pedaling motion to engage the throttle.
  • 12 1
 Wake me when they make a E-V10...That's not ludicrously priced.
  • 16 0
 E-V10? Maybe. Not ludicrously prices? Hahaha... HAHAHAHA
  • 2 1
 @Mac1987: Hahahaha ....hahahahahaha You got it.
  • 8 1
 Weight savings in grams for e-bikes is such a ridiculous concept it shouldn't even be mentioned - "which allows the frame weight to be reduced by 392 grams compared to the other models in the lineup"
If you can't talk about knocking off a pound or two it's not even worth mentioning on a 50lb bike.
  • 3 0
 382g is .86 lbs. pretty close to 1 lbs
  • 1 0
 @Alexthemtbr: I would only round up to .9 lbs ;-)
  • 10 0
 Just 8k euros for Sram NX.
Can I get 2 please?
  • 4 0
 You need more than 2 to keep up with the broken parts... It's like jet fighters, having 1 combat ready, one in reserve and 1 stripped for spare parts for the other 2.
  • 15 5
 Blah blah blah scooter blah blah blah
  • 8 2
 $13,299?!? My 2021 KTM 300 cost $9,600 USD. It has 100x more R&D and will last exponentially longer. I can still find 10-15 year old dirt bikes all day. Do you think these e bikes will be around that long? I am very pro e-bike and I would love to own one but I don't see where the value is for my money and they are still just bikes with a battery and motor slapped on.
  • 6 0
 Yeah... its basically $3500 for that battery and motor! Which by the way will be the single point failure, and only has a 2 year warranty.
  • 8 2
 SC used to be a good company. They don’t have managers that give a shit anymore. They shut down their website for over a month so you could not get your warranty bearings and was just told it will be at least another month. When you plan to shut down aa warranty platform for parts that might be needed to support a racing bike like a v10, there should be another plan in place to provide what you promise. Waiting four months for bearings is not acceptable. Keep plugging away at that vpp system, I know that’s taking a lot of time and effort to keep convincing people that SC bikes can climb a hill without standing there bobbing tryin to find the elusive virtual point. Here is a non virtual point- take care of your customers and do what you promise if you have the gall to sell 10k plus underspecced bikes.
  • 9 1
 What’s the point of offering a cc frame on an ebike? Why would anyone bother
  • 5 4
 They're not for "street smart" folks, they're for the money guys
  • 5 0
 Damn is it already time for a new Heckler? Feels like yesterday I just read a review on one. Would be nice if these newly released bikes can actually be acquired by the majority of people that want and can afford them. Better yet, GIVE US A FRAME ONLY OPTION.
  • 9 3
 Pregnant whale. As a big fun of SC i still think that Specialized are only one who get closer to normal ebikes design. 99% are pregnant whales or bears.
  • 7 1
  • 2 0
 @Bushmaster123: maybe when they get rid of that absolutely awful 3 led junction box woefully attached to the brake cables on a 9grand bike. maybe. i really like my Orbea rise, but fit finish and integration on newer specialized bikes is way ahead
  • 9 2
 It's just... It's just... It's just... ugly. Sorry.
  • 6 3
 I really cannot understand why someone would buy this instead of a Levo outside of availability or just being an SC fan boi. The least expensive version of this is still pricier than an alloy Levo Comp which comes with a superior spec not mention better geometry options. Shimano motors still have a ways to go to catch up with Specialized's level of integration with their Brose motors. Only Rocky Mountain seem to be doing anything as unique as Specialized.
  • 2 2
 Not gonna buy this bike, but I'll play:
- won't have to warranty the motor multiple times
- suspension isn't softer than my couch
- Spesh sucks and I'm not giving them my money
  • 1 0
 @dancingwithmyself: My friends here are a Speshy (and whip) dealer. As such I've gotten to ride a bunch of the Levo/Kenevo models even though I don't own one. As for the motor issues, sure it's a PITA, but Specialized has been really good about getting warranties turned around and failures dropped off after last year. As for the suspension I'd have agreed with you until the last couple of years as they've finally made Horst-link bikes that pedal really well and don't feel like goo any longer. That said, pedal-ability doesn't really matter on a full-powered eBike and the basic Horst-link works great on them. There has been years of Specialized hate (often deserved), however they are making products across their lines that simply work really well. I was a SC fan for years having owned five of them, but they lost me when the Bronson dropped with a five digit price tag almost ten years ago. I've demoed/ridden many of their bikes since and I'm sure the new Heckler is fun, but the only thing they've done in years that I was impressed with is the newest Bronson.
  • 3 0
 $13,300 USD is ~$17K CDN. They're tapping a market that I would not think exists at that price point.

eMTB's are still inevitable. I still don't see an objective reason why they're The Great Satan™. As the costs drop, they'll proliferate and folks will move their outrage to a new target.
  • 2 0
 New battery vendor must mean the previous Heckler can't be upgraded. What a shame if true. Bike companies really need to broaden their thinking. Prior to electrification, SC was in my mind well known for its product support what with readily available pivot hardware and bearing kits. Shame that the pace of battery tech may not be taken into consideration with new models. Maybe there's another mnfr out there that can lead the (ahem) charge.
  • 4 0
 The burning question here is for $8199, would you rather have a NX drivetrain or pedal unassisted?
  • 6 2
 Lmafo..13k?? Lol wtf..ya right. For that much,,I'd rather pedal a 4K bike and brapp a 450cc for maybe less even
  • 6 2
 If you’re rocking one of those dorky “more than a half shell” helmets, this bike’s for you.
  • 1 0
 At 6'3" the Levo SL XL is too small, it would be like downsizing from an XL to an L on my SC HT v2.

The Kenevo SL S4 and S5 would fit me perfectly.

My message to Santa Cruz: I don't want that much range nor weight, I want your own version of an SL or Rise. I NEED the workout, and still want to work for it, just enough not to be dangerous when overly tired from spinning on those punchy climbs after spinning for an hour.
  • 2 1
 Apparently electric motorcycles that cost less than these overpriced e-bikes are offensive. Go figure.
Options are good. Keep a sick regular bike and expand your horizons beyond e-bikes. Wouldn’t an electric moto track in your town be awesome?
And yes, motorcycles do not belong on bicycle trails.
  • 1 0
 So, maybe missed but if not. This is for the retrofitters in the group. Per SC today: The 720 battery uses a special mount, and we have no plans to retrofit this to the Bullit and no provisions to produce a linkage to modify the current bullit from 27 rear to the 29 rear.
  • 3 0
 If it weren’t for ebikes I wouldn’t climb nearly as fast, whenever I hear that lovely sound behind me I literally double my cadence in hopes of not being caught lol
  • 1 2
 Haha that's funny Smile . As an ebike rider if I pass someone & they make a comment or a motorbike noise I also pedal extra hard to ensure I pass them twice on the same climb to drill home im getting more descents in. Win win I guess Smile
  • 1 0
 @mcozzy: braap cough cough ride a real bike braaaap
  • 1 0
 Guys 13k???? This has got to stop!! And don't tell me it's out of their control. Even if it is a supply chain issue, if we stop paying outlandish pricing, the effect will trickle down to the actual problem. Bike shops / online retailers are being disrespectful to consumers and are expecting us to kiss their ass for even allowing us to buy their inventory. I'm done with it! Stop this inflation, weed out this oversaturated industry and get pricing under control!
  • 4 1
 specialized made it seem like any display not integrated, it just unacceptable.
  • 7 0
 At this point and how expensive they are costing they should have integrated display. As much as I don’t like Specialized I feel like they are the only ones making E-Bikes with at least a little bit of effort.
  • 5 4
 News flash...... Specialized does NOT have a $5500 version in alloy,,, base model Levo FSR comes in at 6,300 Euros,, this equals $7,091 US dollars..... and very low spec components.....
  • 10 0
 $5500 is the retail price in the USA. EU and UK prices are always way more expensive. Alloy Levo is £5250 = $7K.
  • 7 0
 US pricing doesn’t include sales tax, UK & EU price includes VAT
  • 2 2
 @tomhoward379: true. But what's the use in mentioning prices without sales tax? Where can I legally buy bikes without paying sales tax?
  • 3 0
 @Mac1987: because sales taxes vary in the US, and it’s always added at point of purchase, a quirk of shopping in the US.
  • 4 0
 @Mac1987: In Oregon, for example. Generally VAT rates vary from state to state in the US (possibly even county to county, not sure) so US prices are almost always given without tax - even at the point of sale, for a coffee in a shop, where it would be easy to just write the final price on the menu.
  • 5 0
 @Mac1987: Sales tax differs in different states. Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, and Oregon currently have no sales tax. Similarly in Canada sales tax is not displayed on their prices because it differs between provinces.
  • 9 0
 @rarerider: reminds me of my first visit to UK, standing at the counter waiting for the employee to tell me the total price of a coffee with tax, employee waiting for me to pay for the price of the coffee on the menu board behind them. It was so awkward.
  • 1 0
 Every Alloy levo in my LBS is $7500 and that doesn’t include sales tax yet, which is another 8+%. Oh, and if you want to give them a good chuckle, go ahead and see if they offer any discounts.
  • 4 2
 @0FksGiven: Lol it has never been a better time to own a bike shop that's for sure. Demand is through the roof.
  • 3 0
 @redrook: but supply is through the floor.
  • 2 0
 @tomhoward379: Exactly, hence the prices. LBS are doing so well right now with parts and servicing, which is great.
  • 1 0
 @redrook: how are they getting parts to do the servicing? There’s only so much labour you can throw at a knackered drivetrain.
  • 2 1
 @Mac1987: direct to consumer. Some states pay taxes but no tax for many U.S. states including mine.
  • 1 0
 @Mac1987: Oregon. ;-)
  • 4 0
 At this very moment, @henryquinney is of growling somewhere
  • 5 1
 Thirteen grand for a gd bicycle?!?!!! That’s completely ridiculous
  • 7 3
 It’s not a bicycle
  • 1 3
 Pretty sure it is
  • 7 3
 Still waiting for that brand new KTM comment.
  • 5 1
 High "cost of entry?" Is this a bike or a prostitute?
  • 4 1
 only $13,200 what a steal. santa cruz underselling themselves as usual. yeti take notes
  • 1 0
 The nooks and crannies of the VPP are terrible. I just sold my Hightower 2; best trail bike ive ever had or ridden, but it was so hard to clean. I had to disassemble the whole linkage every time i wanted to wash it.
  • 2 0
 Hey Santa Cruz, can you please make the Heckler in alu and use the E7000 motor 504Wh battery, so the price can be more like mid-5K for us average buyers.
  • 1 0
 frustrating 1st world problem, spec the og electric heckler with a spindly pike, forcing riders to sell and get a bullit and now this bike, w proper wheel, battery and fork? Dang bafang dang man!!!
  • 1 0
 Saw the price, came straight to the comments. For 13 grand I wouldnt want to see any negatives. Santa Cruz should be producing perfect bikes at that price point. The profit margin must be huge on this bike.
  • 5 1
  • 2 2
 Sigh, can charging stations out in the woods be far behind? Sadly these beasts have me longing for the addition of a few lengthy portages by trail builders and trail maintenance groups.
  • 3 0
 If you go by "price per pound," it's not a bad price!
  • 4 3
 Can y’all please put bike prices behind the paywall? Then we don’t have to hear the same people complain about a 13k bike every week!
  • 3 0
 $14k "AXS" model that does not include the Reverb AXS...smh
  • 2 0
 First bike to break the $15,000 mark wins American Dental Association gold endorsement!
  • 3 0
 $8200 for an NX kit? woof.
  • 2 0
 The fact that Santa prioritized this over the new Megatower tells you literally everything you need to know about them.
  • 2 0
 Do dentists see the price tags on these and think shit I should've become a surgeon?
  • 3 1
 Is it FIM legal tho? How does it compare to a Surron? When is the Surron review dropping?
  • 1 0
 This was the last time the Heckler was still a simple machine and this video is one of the greatest...
  • 4 1
 Lol at that price.
  • 1 0
 What if Santa Cruz switched to the low link VPP design solely for being able to use it on e-bikes?
  • 2 0
 I just ordered the New-York burger and Tom Yum. Will watch archive 81
  • 1 0
 I just ordered wings from POK POK in PDX.
  • 1 0
 thanks god for geometry chart.. still under residue anger for reviews without the fckin chart.. outside
  • 1 0
 I don't even know why I'm surprised by the prices in these articles anymore lol
  • 1 0
 They all had me until continuing with that ep8, rattles like that time I put spare quickfills in a water bottle
  • 1 0
 On!y reason I don't own a Rise. Feel like we're still one generation away on the motors.
  • 2 0
 The power button is still in the same dumb spot.
  • 1 0
 Guess I have to finally like e-bikes if it is from Santa Cruz, even if it is extremely ugly.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer Why does the 175mm of travel on the dropper look shorter than the 160mm on the fork in the headline photo?
  • 3 0
 Because it's not extended all the way. We typically set the seat even(ish) with the bars for photos.
  • 1 0
 its a dope ride and like it or not you can charge more before the earth implodes so shred on
  • 1 0
 ya'll should be offering trade in incentives at this point! I am sure it would benefit you in some regard? No?
  • 1 0
 @mike kazimer @mikekazimer this is ebike stuff again I have the no ebikes box ticked
  • 10 8
 Is that a Nukeproof ?
  • 8 7
 That plastic overly chunky look reminds me of a caravan toilet sink unit.
  • 3 1
 Looks like a Giga
  • 1 0
 $13000. i will have two please.
  • 3 3
 They offer lesser priced models .
  • 6 8
 $13,500!!! That's ridiculousill just put think link here for someone wanting to spend that kind of money better.
  • 2 1
 Pff. Let compare apple to apples. Fully electric and a mullet. Less than half the price

Also less than half the size.
  • 2 0
 Yay no more reverb!
  • 2 1
 Longer slacker expensiver out-of-stocker, the 2020's MTB industry trend
  • 2 1
 Colors are identical to the Nukeproof enduro bikes.
  • 1 0
 Real question is if the 720wh battery is retrofittable into the SC Bullit
  • 1 0
 So, maybe missed but if not. This is for the retrofitters in the group. Per SC today: The 720 battery uses a special mount, and we have no plans to retrofit this to the Bullit and no provisions to produce a linkage to modify the current bullit from 27 rear to the 29 rear.
  • 1 0
 Oh thank goodness, I thought it was going to be expensive.
  • 1 0
 Can't wait to get passed by three of these every time I climb U-Con
  • 1 0
 I thought that the 720wh battery was NOT a shimano unit?
  • 1 1
 you heard that not thought it , bafang
  • 1 0
 Wish they would’ve kept the 27.5 version of it as well.
  • 3 2
 What a Turd
I’d rather shit in my hands & clap than ride that
  • 2 0
 It looks amazing
  • 1 0
 Psst @mikekazimer - "I _rant_ 190 psi in the SuperDeluxe "...
  • 1 0
 Mike do you have a Rocky powerplay to compare with the Santa Cruz?
  • 1 0
 15 grand, i think i have that laying around
  • 3 2
 Looks like a Nukeproof.
  • 1 0
 alis66 Good luck finding one. I called a couple of the very small number of KTM dealers that are authorized to sell the E-Freeride a year ago and am still waiting for a return call.
  • 1 0
 Even has Formula brakes
  • 2 2
 2021 KTM 450 SX-F • $10,199
  • 1 1
 im here for i dont care.
  • 12 13
 Sick motorcycle
  • 1 3
 It is only $13,300 and it is FUGLY. Hard HARD pass.
  • 8 10
 Is it pregnant?
  • 2 2
 $13k and she comes pregnant @ 22kg
  • 3 2
 @dee12641: Pretty average ebike weight, but that bulbous downtube make it look like it has a huge belly.
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