Review: The Banshee Legend 29" Rewards Aggressive Riders

Jan 10, 2019
by Paul Aston  




Banshee have taken a different approach to their Legend 29" downhill bike – this machine was planned to be a one size only XL frame with wagon wheels and one agenda – to be a high-speed racing machine for big riders. But, after feedback from team riders and consumers, they will also be adding a large size into the lineup. For everything else, they still have their 27.5" Legend in three sizes.

Available as a frame kit including Fox's 49 and DHX2, the Legend will cost $3,999 USD when it is finalized this fall – I have been testing a prototype sample of the finished product, which will have a couple of tweaks from the bike pictured here and will be available to buy in early 2019.

Legend 29" Details:

Intended use: downhill racing
Travel: 190mm rear / 190mm front
Wheel size: 29"
Frame construction: Aluminium
Suspension Design KS Link suspension
Suspension: Fox 49 + DHX2
Sizes: L, XL
Frame Weight: 3.85kg (w/o shock, claimed.)
Bike Weight: 16.78kg / 37.00lbs (tubeless, w/o pedals, actual.)
Frame Kit Price: $3999 USD inc. Fox Factory 49, DHX2, Banshee headset
More info: bansheebikes.com

bigquotesOn long corners the Banshee corners like a demon... It drops into the corners quickly and the achievable lean angle is more than anything else on test before breakaway. Paul Aston

Contents

Note: We typically do not test prototypes at Pinkbike. In this case, we received this bike earlier this year when production 29" DH bikes were nearly non-existent. Publication of this review was delayed due to injury and other commitments, and now falls at a time when there are numerous 29" bikes available from other brands.





Banshee Legend 29 Review - Canada X Scotland
Banshee has roots in Canada, but now a large chunk of the brand resides in Scotland.


Construction and Features


The Legend is a complete alloy construction with a mix of hydroformed tubes and forged chunks. Banshee says 'the components are net forged and then post machined. This aligns alloy grain structure to increase material strength by almost 10% and significantly reduces waste.' The belly of the bike uses a huge cradle to connect the bottom bracket to the seat tube and down tube. This cradle also houses and protects the shock which is mounted to keep the center of gravity as low as possible. More machined components connect the cradle to the seat and top tubes, as well as providing mounting locations for the 'KS Link' suspension.

There is no bottle cage mount and all of the cable housing is kept external; Banshee feel that a downhill race bike shouldn't use internal routing to cut down on wrenching time at tightly scheduled events, especially for privateers. There is no adjustment on the frame except the tapered headtube, which could give slight reach or angle adjustment. There are no flip-chips, and the rear axle is fixed, unlike many of Banshee's trail bikes that offer different dropouts to change the geometry or hub size.


Banshee Legend 29 Review - external cable routing throughout
The Legend was conceived as a race bike and has external cable routing throughout for faster pit-stops.
Banshee Legend 29 Review - the frame uses a IS brake mount and no dropout adjustment unlike their trail bikes which have replaceable adjustable dropouts
I was surprised to see no dropout adjustment, unlike most Banshee trail bikes which have an interchangeable dropout system.

Banshee Legend 29 Review - the frame has a tapered headtube and integrated ODI for bumpers
The frame has a tapered headtube and integrated ODI fork bumpers.
Banshee Legend 29 Review - tight tire clearance on this pre-production model. The production version will have improved clearance with new forgings.
Tire clearance was tight on this pre-production model, but this rendering shows how the production version will have improved clearance with new forgings, providing a claimed 13mm of space at the closest point with a 2.5” Maxxis DHRII on 30mm ID rim


Geometry & Sizing

The XL-sized Legend is a whopper with a 477mm reach and a 469mm chainstay length, which will be increased further to 474mm for production. At 63º the head angle is typical for a downhill bike, and the bottom bracket is 343mm from terra-firma.

Since riding and testing these prototypes, Banshee have decided to add a large size option for the 29er, and have also worked on the sizing of the Medium and Large frames in 27.5" which will be announced later this year.
Banshee Legend Review - Prototype geometry
Geometry of my prototype bike, which will change slightly for production


Suspension Design

Banshee Legend 29 Review - driveside swingarm


Banshee Legend Review - Anti-squat
Banshee Legend Review - Leverage ratio


Unlike some brands, Banshee were happy to share their data and the kinematics of the Legend, which has some interesting design points. Keith Scott, the head engineer, says they wanted to build a downhill race bike that would generate and maintain speed, and be stiff and accurate, with comfort being a low priority.

The first point is that the bike has high anti-squat values to increase pedaling efficiency, but also to help generate speed when pumping terrain and landing jumps. To offset some of the harshness from the AS characteristics, the initial part of the axle path is rearward (-7mm from static to sag point), and the leverage ratio is very progressive to the sag point, starting with a very supple initial stroke and ramping up quickly.

Past the sag point and the anti-squat starts to fall away quickly along with pedal kickback to absorb big hits better, and the leverage ratio falls away and really drops away at the end of the stroke, the point where progressive air shock will start to compensate and where coil shocks will gain some extra end-stroke ramp up from the bottom out bumper.

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Build

Banshee Legend 29 Review - Fox 49

The Legend 29" will only be available as a frame kit, and various complete bikes will be available depending on global distributors. Our test rig was built by Loam Distribution, the French base for Banshee. Suspension was taken care of by Fox and their 2019 model 49 fork with the latest Grip2 damper and DHX2 coil shock. The rest of the build was completed with SRAM's X01 DH 7-speed shifting, Spank Spike 350 Vibrocore wheels, and parts from RaceFace including SixC cranks, and Atlas bar, stem and grips.

Banshee Legend 29 Review - Spank Spike Vibrocore wheelset
Spank's newest Spike Boost hubs...

Banshee Legend 29 Review - Raceface provide SixC bars and crankset
Raceface provided SixC bars and crankset.
Banshee Legend 29 Review - Spank Spike Vibrocore wheelset
... mated to Vibrocore rims to complete the Spike 350 wheelset.

Banshee Legend 29 Review - E13 LG1 control tires
E13 LG1+ control tires were mounted when I received the bike.


Banshee Legend 29 Review - RaceFace Atlas stem
Banshee Legend 29 Review - Fox DHX2 shock












Test Bike Setup

Setting up the Legend was easy - Banshee recommended a 375lb spring for my weight, and that's what the bike came installed with. Fox's great tuning guide suggests -15- to -18 clicks on all adjusters; I started at -18 as I always prefer the damping on the lighter side to ride the spring more, and later found that due to the kinematics of the bike I could get away with even less compression thanks to the support provided from the bike.

I added an extra token (from the standard five, to six) to the Fox 49 and pumped it up to 73psi, and set the rebound one click faster than Fox's recommendation for that pressure: LSR -7, HSR -6. Fox only have a base setting to get all riders started on the compression side, which is LSC -6 and HSC -10, I found I was more comfortable with -4 fewer clicks on each of these adjusters. Later on in the testing process, I changed the air spring to a 203mm version which raised the front of the bike slightly; reducing pressure to 67psi kept the dynamic ride height similar but with a bit more travel and a smoother ride.
Paul Aston
Paul Aston
Location: Finale Ligure, Italy
Age: 32
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 75kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @astonator
KM's ridden: n/a. used in Finale Ligure, Portes du Soleil, Pila, and Piemonte bike parks.

Earlier this year, my tire pressures were set at 22/24psi with DH tires, but after lots of riding, getting stronger, faster and more confident on downhill bikes, I have now upped the pressure on all bikes to 24/26 as a baseline for better support.

I kept the fork stanchions at full extension and the bar as high as possible - this was the ideal height for me, but taller riders may want something more than the 20mm rise SixC bar. The SixC bar came in at 820mm wide, with a few extra mm's added from the lock-on grips, this felt great on really wide open terrain, but I cut them down to 800mm to be inline with other test bikes and make tight trees a little less scary.

Testing took place on a variety of trails, from Finale Ligure, Pila, Les Gets, Verbier and some of Piemonte's best kept secret bike parks.


Banshee Legend 29 Review - riding


Riding

The first thing I noticed before even hopping on the bike was the insanely supple first few centimeters of rear suspension travel. The bike would sag under its own weight, and needed hardly any pressure to get it moving further. On the trail, this gave incredible tracking and grip in the first part of the travel, and rolling speed down the trails seemed massive, as you can barely feel the initial hit of the bumps trying to slow you down.

On small bumps, the rear suspension really did outperform the front end, and the change to a 203mm air spring from 190mm later in testing helped to equal this out. To really equalize the performance, I think a change of fork could help to give the same incredible traction in the beginning stroke, something like a Formula Nero or the Ohlins DH38 with multiple adjustable air chambers could be tuned to give a super light initially stroke to match the rear. The 49 is a fantastic fork, but the tuneability to match this style of bike isn't quite there.

Banshee Legend 29 Review - riding

I have been waiting to try a downhill bike with a truly long chainstay length for a while now, and the Legend didn't disappoint me. Yes, sometimes it feels like a monster (and doesn't fit properly on to most ski-lift racks), but in reality, the long chainstay puts your center of gravity more into the middle of the bike. This makes weighting and steering the front easier, and the 'Holy crap my bike feels massive in this tight corner' goes away, as that is caused by being too far off the back of the bike and the light front wheel starting to get away from you. Planting the front wheel into the turns and staying central allows the back wheel to lose traction slightly and oversteer around the corners. Secondly, on fast sections and especially off-camber and flat corners, moving your body weight fore and aft is de-sensitized, making it much easier to add or subtract body weight to adjust grip between wheels as you feel the tires tracking then sliding.

On long corners the Banshee corners like a demon, too; the achievable lean angle is more than anything else on test before breakaway. Do you need to lean over more to be faster? I don't know, but it makes you feel like a king. The massive wheelbase, centralized position and low bottom bracket height are to thank for this. If those corners are rough and loose, the supple initial stroke of the suspension really keeps the wheels tracking the ground.


Banshee Legend 29 Review - riding


As suggested by Banshee, this bike does pump and generate speed better than the high-pivot DH bikes with idler wheels to generate more speed, and I think this could be an advantage depending on the track, if you were racing at Leogang, for example. The midstroke support that helps with pumping also helps to hold the bike up in its travel when pushing hard into berms and trying to increase exit-speed. The downside of this characteristic is that the bike is harder to hold on to, and absorbs less in the midstroke in rough sections like rock gardens. But on a track like Andorra or Val Di Sole when bump absorption and scrubbing off speed is the priority, then the full high-pivot bikes will offer a less fatiguing and easier ride.

Despite the falling rate of the leverage ratio at the end of the travel, the Legend took everything I could throw at it in its stride, although the production version will have slightly increased progression at the end of the stroke, as requested by some of their team riders.





How does it compare?

Compared to the alloy high pivot Commencal, the Banshee has a similar feel when you start rolling down the trail. Small bumps melt away, and both bikes accelerate well. When it comes to generating speed on flatter and smoother trails, the Banshee takes the win, but the Commencal is still the king of charging through the rough and down steep tracks.
Commencal Supreme DH 29 Review


Technical Report

Banshee Legend 29 Review - The Legend came with the 2019 Fox 49 the Grip2 damper now has high and low speed rebound and compression adjustment.
Banshee Legend 29 Review - The Legend came with the 2019 Fox 49 the Grip2 damper now has high and low speed rebound and compression adjustment.

RaceFace SixC 35mm Handlebar: These handlebars are really stiff, and combined with lock-on grips they are not for me: too much feedback, arm pump and sore hands. For heavy riders who charge really hard they may work, but I will take a 31.8mm alloy bar every time.

Fox Suspension: The Legend came with the 2019 Fox 49 with the Grip2 damper that has high and low-speed rebound and compression adjustment. The Grip2 damper is much less harsh than the RC2 on high-speed impacts and makes the HSC adjuster more usable than on the RC2, which needed to be left fully open for many riders. Fox's setup guides on their site have also been updated for the 40/49 and the X2 shocks, which should get most riders very close to ideal settings before getting out of the garage.



Pros

+ Superb small bump traction, grip, and balance
+ Great for generating speed and attacking mellower DH runs
Cons

- Limited sizing in 29", but 27.5" still an option in multiple sizes.
- Harder to ride than this years HPP bikes on steep and rough tracks



Is this the bike for you?

The 29" Legend is ideal for tall riders who want an XL bike with a matching XL chainstay. It's well suited to riders who want to push hard and generate speed in bike parks and downhill tracks, but are strong enough to hold on, and for people who want a bike that is fast, stable, and a break from the norm.




Pinkbike's Take
bigquotesThe Legend is a monster truck that does nearly everything you could wish for once gravity takes over. It may not be as forgiving as the current high-pivot downhill bikes, but it's a very fast machine that rewards aggressive riders. Paul Aston








175 Comments

  • + 172
 Legend is still one of the best looking frames ever made
  • + 11
 Agreed!
  • + 10
 Legends Rachel or Gee to pilot legendary bike?
  • + 2
 @PinkyScar: that would be Aaronic
  • + 1
 It looks bad freaking ass, too bad the other bikes from their lineup don´t use the same design language and aren´t very progressive in terms of geometry.
  • + 14
 @Mondbiker: I had a spitfire, okay the design is not the same, but it´s still very similar ride feeling and compared to other bikes it still have very low center of gravity, low bb and it loves to go crazy
  • + 1
 Fact!
  • + 8
 @Mondbiker: Well, if you looked cautiously you'd see there is definitely a design language in Banshee bikes throughout the last 10 years. You'd see the same concept and engineering attitude on their models, and even versions of the same model.
  • + 1
 Props.
  • + 35
 "For heavy riders who charge really hard they may work, but I will take a 31.8mm alloy bar every time. "

Same here. After I got screwed over a warranty claim on my broken SixC handlebar, I moved to a Spank Vibrocore handlebar and the improvement in ride comfort was very obvious.

And, yes, 31.8 clamping is better. Don't let the 35mm hype fool you.
  • - 11
flag Richt2000 (Jan 10, 2019 at 0:44) (Below Threshold)
 Really? I run SixC 35 800mm bars, even on my carbon hardtail. Love them.
Maybe I'm more hardcore than I thought lol
  • + 15
 Genuinely interested, could you elaborate why it's better?
i got a 35er stock on my bike and I'm fairly certain I'd never be able to tell the difference..
  • + 5
 @Verbl-Kint nevermind my last comment, I overread what you said about ride comfort..

It seems, with some equipment (carbon wheels, handlebars) we are witnessing the law of diminishing returns when it comes to stiffness..
  • + 1
 35mm came on my last 2 bikes, and can´t notice the difference, also I ride glove less and with deity knuckle duster grips
  • + 4
 35mm has come stock on my last 2 bikes, and after some testing I now remove 35mm clamp bars immediately. They just don't have as nice of a ride quality. Overly (and unnecessarily) stiff. However, I also advocate for bars with more backsweep (like 11-12 degree backsweep) so my tastes may be unusual.
  • + 1
 @aledh30: how well do deity knuckledusters hold up to wear?
  • - 1
 I'm on 28.99 bars, it's awesome!
  • + 1
 As a bigger guy, I much prefer 35mm clamped stems and bars over 31.8mm. Stiffer, stronger, more responsive. If I need more flex, I use my elbows!
  • + 3
 @ratedgg13: you're not the only one. I've been wanting MTB bars with Slam Bar geometry for years.
  • + 1
 @Kimura: They have a phenomenal life. My set started on my DJ in february of 2018 and got cycled over to my trail bike around the middle of June and they still feel and look almost new. To put their durability in perspective I have worn out/ gone through 3 rear tires since they have gone on my bike...... Mine have a lot of riding time on them and they're still going strong.
  • + 3
 @ratedgg13:
I think this is a topic that really needs addressing. Having ridden multiple 35mm and 31.8mm back to back, as a medium weight rider that while heavy on a bike (I tend to need to run suspension with 10-15% sag, otherwise I ride on the bottomout bumper whole time) 35mm offers no real advantages and many disadvantages such as increased arm pump, increased fatigue and increased 'claw'. Despite many company claims of their bars being the same this is false. 31.8 is better. And I shall always run 31.8 onwards, soon I will be swapping my renthals out for burgtec on my trail bike as they are too stiff even imo. Burgtec on the dh is much more comfortable.
  • + 4
 @wowbagger: 35mm bars, especially raceface do transmit a lot of harshness. I switched back to 31.8 after 2 years of 35 and my hand and arm pain disappeared instantly.
  • + 2
 @Jackson900: Yeah it was a set of RaceFace SixCs that made me swear off. Tried a few other 35mm bars, but still not feeling right, switched back to some 31.8s and realized how much better they were and how much we'd lost for the sake of "progress".
Also been cutting my bars down to 760-780 rather than following this endless wider is better cult. Feels good to go back to something in that range.
  • + 1
 @Kimura: I ride them and the central part lasts a long time, but the edges get torn up almost immediately and they don't look great up close after that.
  • + 1
 @BobbyHillbomb: SQlab 30X 12 degree bars are it, a bit more upsweep but the feel is as close I would want it to be.
  • + 1
 @Kimura: very well! but I clean them after every ride since I ride glove less, the grips look like first day
  • + 28
 How do you in English language call something that is considered to be an example of highly refined, optimized solution that works harmonically as a whole and that should be a starting point for others because others are only heading that direction? Something like a reference point.
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I'm into gravity MTB only since 2010 but I have always used Rune V1.5, Rune V2, Spitfire/Phantom and Legend versions as reference points within their respective disciplines. To them I compare competitor's geometry and performance. I just wish I one day am able to put this bike to its edge. So far, Rune has always been putting me to my edge :-).
Sick machine this one.
  • + 30
 The word you are looking for is Benchmark.
  • + 5
 Benchmark
  • + 74
 Covfefe
  • + 2
 @ninjatarian , @jimmythehat , thank you :-)
  • + 9
 Its hard to get away from the Rune because its so versatile.Also you can beat the living shit out of them.
  • + 2
 @ninjatarian: Or yardstick?
  • + 2
 DW-Link = Benchmark
(but only so long as the shock maker really and truly designs the internals of the shock to work in the manner DW-Link is intended)
  • + 2
 @nug12182: I did and got a fancy plastic super-bike. When it's toast I'm going back to a Rune.
  • + 1
 @fluider naughty, except you don't pronounce the t. And when its really good you can throw a proper in before as well
  • + 2
 @bizutch: and the manufacturer doesn't use bushings instead of bearings
  • + 2
 @McNinja: manufacturer that doesn´t use bushings in aplication that is more suited to them instead of ball bearings is benchmark in stupidity.
  • + 1
 @Mondbiker: Agreed
Maybe it should be needle instead of ball. But definitely bearing
www.pinkbike.com/u/WayneParsons/blog/real-world-cyclings-needle-bearing-shock-kit.html
  • + 1
 @McNinja: yes that would be better and easier to make it work with tolerances we have already.
  • + 2
 @Mondbiker: Yes, the ultimate way, which will never let you down, to annoy your customers is make them service the bushings crap. Go to IGUS web site and explore specifications of their bushings range, if you are able to decide which type of theirs is best suited for your application. Then go to your manufacturer and make him work to precise tolerances and surface treatments that are required by your plastic bushings. Finally, make your customer to service that junction after literally every few rides. Research for bushings prices and low-cost ball bearing prices.
Or if you want to play hahaha, our linkage doesn't need much compression damping, you use bushings. Because bushings add so much stiction that you must run extremelly small compression damping.
If Banshee had not get rid of damn bushings their customers could have get rid of Banshee...
  • + 21
 If by chance a curveball was thrown at us and AG signed to a comapny like Banshee and rode a brolic of a bike like the Legend, that would be sick.
  • + 1
 Or the Athertons...?
  • + 15
 While it might not be for everyone (certainly not), it's nice to see a bike with a completely single minded focus, rather than trying to be all things to all people. Gotta say though, PA's reporting on this one is a bit hit and miss; the no water bottle comment is particularly weird.
Also, interesting to hear a good chunk of Banshee is in Scotland - never would have known or guessed.
  • + 12
 This last part is also really interesting because Banshee has always been promoted as a bike brand designed around North Shore where it all started... I know that Keith Scott, the main engineer is from Scotland, and considering the whole company is like 5 people it only requires somebody to move to Scotland and you can call a large chunk of company haha Smile
  • + 38
 @winko: Haha yeah, almost spot on! We are in fact only 4 people, so 25% Scottish! (we really are a very small boutique brand)
  • + 19
 @BansheeRiders: A very small boutique brand with an Uci Team for 2k19 Wink
  • + 24
 @Puschl24: Haha, Damn right!
  • + 7
 @BansheeRiders: Are you serious?! Congratulations!!!!! The Legend is finally getting a chance to showcase at top level, I think this bike has deserved it for quite some time.
  • + 6
 @BansheeRiders That's amazing! It also completely puts to bed any arguments about 29" wheels in racing being "unfair on smaller brands". Banshee are producing race ready 29" stormers and they have four employees! Congratulations guys, really top level work here.
  • + 2
 @Puschl24: I bloody knew this article coming out at team announcement time wasn't a coincidence.
  • + 6
 @BenPea: To be fair, we didn't get any say in article release date and haven't got a team article ready. So not a good coincidence for us really.
  • + 2
 @BansheeRiders: It's put a marker down in the sand though, so it's all good. No such thing as bad publicity, interest has been sparked and there's no massive rush is there? Looking forward to seeing what happens.
  • + 2
 @BenPea: UCI team registration deadline is 15th January, so even without official announcement the team should be known by then?
  • + 1
 @winko: the teams have to register with the UCI by the 15th but in the past it seems to take a week or two before that list becomes public. That said, most teams make their announcements around that time anyways.
  • - 1
 @BansheeRiders: I've been riding banshee since the Chaparral in 2003. Two chap's, wildcard, 2015 Rune, 2017 spitfire, 2017 rune, wildcard... I've raced DH on the wildcard, rune, and spitfire. Send me a medium 27.5 Legend, I'll be your east coast rider! Big Grin (ps- I haven't really raced much... but if I got a bike, it would be my summer job! Smile Keep up the good work and keep making bikes!!!
  • + 1
 @winko: Ok, forget what I said. I'll write the press release today, Banshee dudes. Who are the riders?
  • + 1
 A coin on Miranda Miller and an other male rider...
  • + 2
 @BansheeRiders: looking good...go get um this year!
  • + 0
 Double post
  • + 10
 Having owned the Banshee product I will only ever have love for the brand. Mega strong frames and great designs. Even had the pleasure at the time of speaking direct to Keith Scott to get some help and advice. Not many major brands you can do that with!!
  • + 8
 "To really equalize the performance, I think a change of fork could help to give the same incredible traction in the beginning stroke"---> you mean a coil fork @paulaston ?
  • + 1
 Dvo diamond would do the job to perfection
  • + 1
 @hasteTHEday: single crown you mean ? ; ).
  • + 7
 Banshee hellz yeah! Now scale it down for update of the Prime. A 29er trail/enduro bike with this lay out (low shock position, open front triangle for a bottle mount, etc) could be insane. KS-link suspension is very similar to the DW-link and Banshee's ergo are great pedaling bikes.
  • + 2
 Totally agree, that would be one sick trail bike, the prime is a weapon.
  • + 6
 So stoked to see an up to date review on the Legend. I had a Scream in 2005 that weighed in at a maneuverable 59lb. Back when you couldn't gusset the frame enough. That thing was a beast.

Fast forward to the last few years where I was on a Canfield Jedi (2015, 26"). That rig blew everything I had ridden out of the water.

I was in the market for a new bike at the end of the season. I had some things I wanted on my next bike...aluminum frame, threaded BB, rearward travel, great customer service. After owning a bike that has that wheel-path, it's really tough to want to go back. The Legend ticked all these boxes off, and I picked up the 27.5 flavor

I finished the build earlier this year, and have only had 1 day on it due to injury. I can't wait until I get more saddle time on it, really excited to compare it to the Jedi. I have been in touch with the guys @ Banshee with some questions and they have been excellent at getting back to me. You can tell their passion and care for their customers.

I find it awesome that I've come full circle back to Banshee after all these years and couldn't be happier about my decision!!
  • + 9
 My Scream sags under its own weight too, granted it does weigh 56lbs but the point remains valid!
  • + 3
 Ha good point. My old Scream weighed in at 59 lbs!!
  • + 1
 Bring back the BBC Sideshow Bob, Sideshow Mel, and BowHo!
  • + 5
 I've owned a 26" Legend and Rune, and a 27.5" Rune. Keith Scott is a damn good designer and Banshees are some of the most capable bikes out there. If I were in the market for a new DH frame a Medium Legend would be at the top of my list. The 26er Legend I had was just amazing.
  • + 5
 What a beast of a bike! I'm excited to see the timeless Legend evolve and compete with the most current crop of bikes.

SPAM: We have 2 of these "pre-production" frame kits for sale right now. You'll save a few stacks opposed to waiting for the production kits....https://www.dirtmerchantbicycles.com/collections/banshee-frames/products/banshee-legend-29-frame
  • + 1
 ^^^Got my Legend through these guys. Excellent customer service and good buying experience all around!
  • + 7
 Now It would just be awesome to have an updated Rune with the same suspension layout as the legend.
  • + 1
 So finally a place for water bottle? Big Grin
  • + 1
 ...and a bit more progressive geometry too, would be very interesting bike for sure.
  • + 4
 I'm happy to see at least some companies aren't pushing the 29'er as the end-all be-all size for EVERYBODY... I truly want to see all these wheel sizes we have be used to properly fit bikes to the wide variety of body types and riding styles out there...not just force a size on the masses and call it done because it's "faster" or on-trend. Thank you Banshee for committing to giving us choices...you'll sell more bikes that way.
  • + 4
 Been on the legend mk1 mk2 and mk3, darkside, and 3 versions of the rune. Run them all for 2 seasons at a time living in whistler for 10 years. I try a different brand every now and again for a change up but always go back to them. I'm sure I'll be on the 29er legend soon enough in the future. Stoked to see Banshee back in the pb headlines !
  • + 4
 Banshee must be one of the only brands that has kept me reminding why I love mountainbikes throughout the years. Their bikes retained some of the spirit of the early 2000 bikes. Bought a phantom two years ago, and for the first time ever, I am not looking at what bike to buy next.
  • + 3
 Reading between the lines, Aston found a bike that is too big?

Seems like for someone 5’9” this is too big and we should not reflexively size up?

When is the embargo on the 29 V10 end? I’ve had three V10’s but I’m having a hard time getting excited for a fourth. Hoping a positive review will change my mind.
  • + 5
 Legend has it, Jedi the evil elder brother is still in deep meditation... somewhere in the mountains at a galaxy far far away.
  • + 1
 Please- or and overhaul the Darkside. The geometry from all their bikes specially the wew Rune is spot on. As long as it should be for having fun and fast rides.
  • + 1
 That comment was meant to go to @chyu lol
  • + 7
 Now they need to make a spitfire and rune that looks like a legend.
  • + 6
 Banshee for WC racing with Gwin, the Athertons, Dean Lucas, Charlie Harrison, Phil Atwill, the lot!
  • + 3
 Maybe it's just that photo, but I don't know how other companies begin to compete in the "looks" department with that Commencal. It's pure, savage art.

Very cool bike Banshee, stoked to see the new stuff. It's cool how small shops like you guys have the guts to make some stuff on the wild side a bit. It's amazing how conservative the "fancy" boutiques are typically.
  • + 5
 Paul has wonderful hair. Is it real or a clip on hair piece?
Business at the front, party at the back.
  • + 5
 Wow what a beauty. I feel privileged to be able to view today's bikes, especially ones like these.
  • + 2
 Why aren't Banshee more commonplace? The bikes seem sick and I used to see loads of them 6 years ago. I never see one now. I can't lie, I wish they'd make a carbon bike. I see crazy deals on the Legend and Darkside all the time. Maybe this year I'll convince the wife that I NEED a DH bike for my week in Whis.
  • + 6
 Because bikes are a business and it takes big business to get them into more retailers. Banshee is still reaaallly small which is part of their appeal, I think.
  • + 5
 Honestly they need to work on how consumers get them. It's really hard to buy them in Canada. I still ride a Rune but I had to order my frame from Jenson. Which is fine but I take a major hit with the exchange.
  • + 1
 Double post
  • + 13
 @Jokesterwild: If you go into your favorite bike shop and ask them to get you a banshee they can order direct from our warehouse. We are in process of rebuilding a good dealer network currently, so not many listed on our site yet, but any dealer can order from us with no strings attached.
  • + 7
 I'm personally glad they've stuck to aluminum. It's kind of like trying to find a manual transmission now a days.
  • + 3
 Only bike I regret selling was my old Banshee Scirocco. It was progressive and ahead of its time. I missed it so much when it came time to replace my wifes trail bike I put her on a spitfire. And guess what. She loves it.
  • + 2
 Paul, could this bike serve as a bigger guys daily park machine for general messing around and mayhem, or is it just too much of a pure bred race machine to be ideal for that role?
  • + 3
 I have been lucky enough to test a second prototype all season long in the Châtel and Morzine Area (Portes du Soleil), mostly on bike parks runs and secret freerides. I am a big guy, heavier than Paul, and i can say it was a blast, even if i'm not a racer. As Paul said, its not a bike to stay cool while riding it, as every iteration of the Legend, but this one is a hell of a millesime.
  • + 1
 @LOAM-Distribution: Thanks! His description of how it rewards active riding was what made me think that it might be more fun on non-race days than some of the high pivot bikes.
  • + 1
 @MarcusBrody: Well what Paul is saying is that this bike is made to go fast, and as you're pumping one the pedal while riding the bike will accelerate due to the kinematics... high pivot bikes won't get the same pedal kick back and won't be as alive as the legend in those situations.
  • + 1
 @LOAM-Distribution: For sure. I understood what he was saying, I just wasn't sure how he thought it would translate to times when absolute speed wasn't a necessity.
  • + 5
 Awesome bike for giants..
  • + 1
 Here’s a question regarding reach on DH vs Trail bikes. DH is significantly shorter than trail bikes, it’s not uncommon to see XL trail bikes at 500 reach or more, yet all the DH bikes I’ve seen in XL art in the 470-490(maybe) reach. Anyone have insight to why?
  • + 1
 Check wheelbase, not reach. On a trailbike you have steeper head and seattube angles that make the wheelbase shorter if you don't make the reach longer and longer. Also on a dh bike, you have lower seats and tend to hang behind the bottom bracket a little more, while on a trail bike you are more centered. Basically it boils down to different geo and different riding.
  • + 1
 @Lookinforit: modern trailbike head tube angles are in DH bike territory. Sub 65 degrees. Dropper posts get seats to about the same height. Seattube angle has nothing to with wheelbase. I’m only questioning a riders position for going fast not seated.
  • + 0
 SImple answer really, on trail bike you ride uphill and you ride more mellow trails where you need to move your weight over the front wheel more, you need space for that and reach gives you that. On DH bike you are always going downhill, on WC events which these bikes are (or at least should be) designed for mostly rather steep downhill where there isn´t need to go that far forward, the other factor is, that racers are doing what the other (winning) guy is doing,not what is necessarily better for them... But to be honest, there isn´t too many trail bikes pushing 500+ numbers either. If you want long reach on DH bike, check nicolai G19,not 500mm reach but I think those 5mm are excusable.
  • + 2
 Still riding my 2013 banshee prime pre production frame. Always felt banshee was ahead of the curve regarding slack long low 29ers. Well done with this legend would love a go!
  • + 1
 Make that 2011 prime
  • + 2
 I don't know if it's just me, but this dual link suspension design with an initial rearward axle path looks an awful lot like that of a Canfield Jedi. Just saying.
  • + 2
 @BansheeRiders Please update the Darkside! It's a bike I'd really like to be on but it's just too small. Have the XL reach at least the same as this, ideally 480.
  • + 3
 "doesn't fit properly on to most ski-lift racks" This was glossed over but would present a huge problem in CO
  • + 0
 You said that this is not as good as HPP bikes when crossing hard tracks,but a 29 bike with such a long travel MUST have an HPP linkage,or the rear wheel will go "front" when compressing the shock.But the hits come from the front,so 29 have this disadvantage,all 29 bikes can't get through it,unless teh travel is short enough.
  • + 2
 Banshee can do no wrong imo, just solid, unwavering and good. I miss my banshee bikes! Excited to see if this UCI DH thing is real, can’t wait to follow the team!
  • + 4
 What the hell does a demon corner like
  • + 1
 @astonator did you by chance look at the head angle or calculate an approximate change in it when swapping to the 203 air shaft? Also was your sag in the front fork set about the same ?
  • + 3
 Also, thank you @paulaston for sharing the characteristics charts in gallery. Were those provided by Banshee?
  • + 8
 yup, we aren't scared to show tech info because we send a lot of time optimizing it for our designs for best performance.
  • + 3
 @BansheeRiders:
Too right you do. I've a Prime and it's the best thing I've ever ridden. I have to pinch myself when I ride it as I'm enjoying myself so much.

Should have bought one years ago.

Thanks guys!
  • + 3
 @The-Reverend: Phantom owner here, and I feel the same!
  • + 4
 Banshee are the fkng TITS
  • + 10
 Oh yo so aggressive, dis bike is for yoo
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: nahh the 26" version \M/
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: vag...stamina is more agressive)))
  • + 8
 @mediagrand: Pole Vagina, oh you filthy bastard, how dare you!
  • + 3
 This thing looks so sick. And I don't say that about all banshees. The bb/shock mount area is awesome
  • + 2
 I agree that machined, forged "canoe" gets me. Love it
  • + 1
 Would be great to see that suspension design trickle down to the Prime... although the Prime is already sick! it looks mint and I could fit my drink bottle lol
  • + 3
 Would love to see a review of the Banshee Prime 29, looks awesome.
  • + 8
 I'll do a review for you, it's f#@*ing awesome
  • + 3
 Agreed! Love my prime. Nice to see a review of a current banshee on pinkbike.
  • + 3
 thanks for making this with a threaded BB
  • + 1
 Excuse me? Multiple pictures of this bike, and the new Commencal, with Kashima? Where is the NSFW warning?! PS totally worth losing my job over Wink Razz
  • + 1
 I feel like Banshee is missing out on the 29er band wagon by not including small and medium sizes Frown
  • + 1
 Great, now make me a Darkside with a more modern reach and this looks! Instabuy! 3
  • - 1
 If your going to call it a DH bike it needs to get and have at least 200mm in the rear and standard 200-203 up front. this goes for all big travel 29er, stop shorting the travel. Take note from Devinci!
  • - 2
 "As suggested by Banshee, this bike does pump and generate speed better than the high-pivot DH bikes with idler wheels to generate more speed, and I think this could be an advantage depending on the track, if you were racing at Leogang, for example."

Who let this horrendous sentence slip through?
  • + 2
 What´s horrendous about it?
  • + 2
 God damn, Banshees are the greatest... *sniff... (hugs Prime)
  • + 0
 Banshees are rad. $4K for a frame, shock, fork, and headset is not for everyone.
  • + 2
 Picked up my 2018 Legend frame, headset, shock for $1,875 on an EOY sale (granted 27.5). Shopping around for deals you can build one up for a pretty dang good price IMO...
  • + 2
 Are you serious? I know you get fox stuff cheaper in the US but the value deffo is there with this specification.
  • + 0
 @Mondbiker: $4,000 USD for a frame/fork combo seems high to me but I'm kinda cheep.
  • + 0
 scientific fact - no 29" bike rewards aggressive riders unless you qualify torn pants (and shit, balls) as a reward
  • + 1
 i see the stupid still runs strong with pb and i just might do something about no 26" dh bikes for me
  • + 1
 Back tire not aligned with valve stem. Zomg.
  • + 1
 What length stem is that, Paul?
  • + 0
 That looks like a code caliper on a hope brake mount adapter? I have all those things, I'm going to try that right now.
  • + 1
 Hey, patrick, we have built this bike for the test, and we preferred the look of a raw aluminium Hope adapter over a black model... Pure aesthetics, and machined part suit well this frame...
  • + 2
 Banshee bikes rule.
  • + 1
 I get trail rage quite easily. Is this the bike for me?
  • + 1
 Good bye freeride. It was nice knowing you
  • + 1
 Makes me want to strip the paint of my aluminum bike...
  • + 1
 Plus the Canfield Jedi looks way sexier IMO and has more travel.
  • + 0
 The Legend is basically the Canfield Brothers suspension design without the pulley.
  • + 1
 They should put drop outs on 27,5 Legend, shorter cs option.
  • + 5
 get a darkside my friend. ; )
  • + 2
 @Lagr1980:

Reach is too short unfortunately.
  • - 3
 Thirty seven pounds, yeah that's what I'm talking about. To be honest bicycle weights are impressive to me, I used to curl eighty pounds in each hand, so a heavy bicycle being less than half that is fine in my books. Bicycles are pretty large, brooding objects.
  • + 3
 Heavy bikes handle better anyway
  • + 0
 No one curls 80 pounds in each hand, bruh.
  • - 1
 Thank God I bought mine before all this insanity... They will go back in ten years.. To drain your pockets again...
  • + 0
 That bike looks way to big for Paul ! And 99% of us
  • - 1
 It looks like it fits him well and he is comfortable riding it. Not having to get your body in near yoga like position when riding is quite nice, maybe you should try it one day...
  • + 1
 @Mondbiker: thanks Tips ????I ride a large Pivot Phoenix and a XL tues they fit me well and I love yoga ????‍♀️
  • + 0
 @ceegeegee: I love yoga too, but not on the bike. Tips??? So you ride bike which is actually quite similar if not the same in terms or riders space (YT tues) and say it fits you well, not sure what better proof you need to see it´s not too large? How you could try long chainstays I don´t know, borrow/rent a bike with them? With long chainstays you are positioned more centrally, so the bike in corners rotates around you not in front of you and that is very different (better) sensation.
  • + 1
 @Mondbiker: ya but 29ers are g a. Y
  • + 1
 Who makes those pedals?
  • + 1
 No HTF slo-mo vid?
Drag
  • + 0
 No metric shock?
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