The 75/50 is a long travel, full-power eMTB, and that's pretty much exactly how it feels on the trail – there's no hiding the extra mass, especially on slower speed, tighter trails. However, it carries its weight well, and isn't a cumbersome, wallowy bike – even at 30% sag the suspension is very supportive, giving it a more efficient feel than its geometry numbers and travel amount might suggest.
Straightlining up steep, techy climbs was where the 75/50 really excelled. One of my favorite test laps includes a rocky, rooty moto trail that I still haven't managed to clean without dabbing, but I did get closer than I ever have while on the 75/50. The trail is full of long, extended steep sections where maintaining an even power output is the key to forward progress.
Cleaning tricky climbs on an eMTB isn't simply a matter of picking the most powerful mode and hanging on – that technique is a recipe for looping our or spinning the rear wheel in vain. On the 75/50 I could quickly switch between modes to keep the WTB Judge rear tire digging into the ground as I worked my way upwards, balancing the power output to match the trail angle and surface conditions.
The 75/50's 77-degree effective seat angle is fairly steep, although I do think it could go even steeper without any negative repercussions. On an eMTB you end up remaining seated for a longer portion of a climb compared to a regular bike, which makes being able to find the right weight balance between the front and rear wheels even more crucial.
I've come to prefer mixed-wheels for most eMTB applications, but it'd be interesting to try the 75/50 with the rear triangle that's used for the 29” version (and option Crestline will be offering in the future) – I have a feeling the longer chainstays would give the bike even more stability while climbing and descending.Race Mode
Along with providing 400% assistance, the main talking point with the Bosch Race motor is the additional overrun. Basically, the bike continues forward a little longer under its own power once you stop pedaling compared to the standard Performance CX motor.
It takes some time to get used to that additional shove of power, and it's certainly not a feature that's usable in all situations - if you're riding a technical, exposed trail it's not going to be the mode to choose. I enjoyed it the most when going into a flat corner, where the extra power can be turned into a higher exit speed. It's also a handy feature for getting over downed logs – you can take a half pedal stroke and then sort of lunge / push to get over the obstacle.
Realistically, I don't think it's all that necessary for the vast majority of riders, but it also doesn't hurt to have it – remember, the extra assistance and overrun are only present in that one mode out of four.
FP- Well, I see here you have a $600 a month car payment...you know that's really a financial anchor around your neck.
Me- Oh don't worry, that's my E-bike...it'll be paid off in 4 years...
How slack is "slack enough" for stock?
"it makes it pretty much impossible for the battery to be knocked out of the frame, something I've seen happen with other designs."
In general (not critisizing anyone in this thread) For the cost of this bike you get a race motor and a cascade link, niether of which are cheap and both are limited to high end builds. If you can't afford it or justify the cost it sucks, but don't throw shade at people wo can that isn't fair.
Why should consumers stump up thousands of extra $ to support a model which clearly isn't sustainable if cutting out a middle-man is all that's required to undermine it?
I'll happily spend a little extra for an independent coffee instead of Starbucks, but you need to get a grip on reality if you think consumers' good nature extends to the price of a vacation.
If YOU want to see lbs supported then YOU adjust YOUR pricing, don't put that on the consumer.
From your other comments you seem pretty desperate to justify your purchase and engage in ad hominem. Glad you enjoy your "boutique" (read: more expensive than competitors for no apparent reason) but don't act so insecure about it
They sold out because they make small numbers compared to bigger manufacturers. YT, Canyon and other direct sales companies sell out quick too, precisely because they offer better value.
Fools and money are easily parted though As @redrook says, your comments smack of insecurity. Just enjoy your bike, you don't need to defend it lol
I own an M5 which I went on a waiting list for. Arguably a terrible financial idea, and I'm not going to pretend there's any logical justification for it, I just wanted one. I'm not going to tell anyone that it's good value for money or there's any logic/justification for it because there isn't, especially because it's on its second engine. It's the same with this, just deal with the criticism you little pussy.
"Pole is direct to consumer. Crestline is a hybrid model since we would like to still support local bike shops. This is why you see the price differential. "
No doubt in my mind that you have an amazing product. Possibly very much worth the price point you are set at.
But when you start blowing smoke up our a$$ that the reason for a 3k price difference with another brand is because you support the lbs? There is no way that 3k of each unit sold goes to the lbs.
But continue with your ad hominem, it really lends credence to your outbursts
Also I'm pretty sure the equivalently priced bikes from other brands also get called out for being bullshit
Bike has a great balance of stability and playfulness in the mullet setup. This review is pretty spot on. Would like to try it as a 29er eventually.
One thing I didn’t see mentioned (or maybe missed it?) was that it has a flip chip and ability to run different shock strokes. This effectively gives you the flexibility to change rear travel from 140-something to 175, or some ridiculous range like that. I am running 163/170 and it’s great for what I ride (mostly flow and jumps). This, along with other customizable geo, and what I assume to be the kinematics make the bike extremely tunable.
Easily beat e bike I’ve ridden! Many PRs and biggest sends aboard this thing in just a short amount of time!
They got lucky, made good money somehow, and they spend that money mountain biking with their family. They also spend that money patronizing local businesses, supporting trail groups, and taking the depreciation hit on bikes that we can then buy second hand. I just don't get the villainization.
If I ever came on enough money that I could justify a rad van and not feel like it was a burden, I'd just hope that I wasn't immediately thought of as an d*ck before anyone bothered to talk to me.
Best to wait a year before spending $12,000+.
•When I ride my (full-powered) ebike and don't put in any effort, I don't really have any fitness benefits beyond burning some calories (my heart rate doesn't go past 120). For me, the primary benefit of these rides is mental as I return in a much better mental state.
•When I ride my ebike and deliberately put in a hard effort, I can get 80% as good of a workout in as my regular bike. The benefit of an ebike in these situations is simply being able to get in more descents in a shorter period of time or do a trail I wouldn't have time to do on my regular bike.
•I can't ride my regular bike without putting in at least a moderate effort (since I'm the one doing all the work). Because of this, I always get a workout benefit from my regular bike. If I put in a hard effort on my regular bike, it's better than any effort I can put in on my ebike. My favorite days are on my regular bike and, if time and energy levels are not a factor, I much prefer it to my ebike.
Because of these reasons, I do think it's possible to see a decline in fitness if all you do is go out and have minimal effort ebike rides. However, setting goals such as "number of laps in X hours" or "ride until the battery dies" can help a rider resist the urge to just let the ebike motor do do the work.
tldr: on an ebike it is up to the rider to decide to put the effort in, on a regular bike the rider is required to put the effort in
On my normal bike, I'm now hitting PRs. I generally don't wish I was on my e-bike either, it's just a different ride in general.
Both are fun just different.
I am now going to buy a motorcycle! Don’t bother with e-bikes that you have to peddle just get a motorcycle .
Crestline is absolutely Killing it, & partnered with Cascade Components.. Major Kudos
KTM 250 SX-F - $11,749 (~$13K out the door)
Crestline RS 75/50 EEB - $12,000
I know, I know, I know... apples and oranges. But there are many other factors (like trail access) that feed into other considerations/possibilities at that pricepoint. That said, I love the Crestline bikes, nothing against them personally.
It's not that simple though, because no matter how "boutique" it is they are still competing with everyone else who makes bikes.
And yes, the entire industry's pricing is f*cked right now (which is why we're seeing a lot of bikes in sales right now for the first time since before covid), have you been living under a rock?
I own a bike with a EP8 and the 630 watt batt and all I can say is the power is way down on that bike’s motor in comparison to the Crestline and the batt doesn’t last at all. The Crestline is a major step up in that regard.
Hoping one will be in my shed soon.
Lycra is for pavement riding
They’re great for a lot of applications (commuting, food delivery, hunting rig). I just don’t think they’re appropriate on most non-motorized singletrack. Figure it out.
I think horses are rad, but also take issue with the equestrian community regarding public land access and use.