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Review: Crestline RS 75/50 EEB

Apr 24, 2023
by Mike Kazimer  
Shortly after entering the mountain bike world with their RS 205 VHP downhill bike, Crestline announced the next models in their lineup – two eMTBs, the RS 75/50 and the RS 50/75. The bikes share the same carbon frame, but can be configured to have either 175 or 150mm of rear travel depending on the position of a flip chip and the shock stroke length.

The 75/50 is equipped with Bosch's new CX-R race motor, which is lighter and more powerful than the standard Performance Line CX motor. In Race mode the motor provides 400% support and has a longer overrun time, allowing the bike to keep scooting forward for a little longer after a rider stops pedaling. A 750 Wh battery provides plenty of juice for big rides.
RS 75/50 EEB Details

• Wheel size: Mixed, or dual 29" depending on frame size
• Carbon frame
• Bosch CX Race motor / 750 Wh battery
• Travel: 175mm (r) / 180mm fork
• 64º head angle
• 77º seat tube angle
• 443mm chainstay (size 3)
• Three sizes
• Weight: 52.1 lb / 23.6 kg (size 3 as shown)
• Price: $11,999 USD (not the build kit shown)
crestlinebikes.com


Crestline is starting out with a limited edition run of bikes, which come with an Ohlins RXF 38 fork and TTX2 air shock, SRAM GX AXS wireless drivetrain, Cranbrothers Synthesis alloy wheels, and Magura MT7 brakes for $11,999 USD. You'll notice that the bike I tested doesn't have the same spec, so this review will be focused more on the frame and motor performance rather than each individual component. There will be more build options coming from Crestline in the future, but at the moment there's just one build kit available.






bigquotesThe big battery and aggressive geometry make it a great option for someone looking for a bike that can be used on rides that would normally involve a shuttle vehicle. Mike Kazimer




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The headtube charging port makes it easier to keep water out.

Frame Details

E-bikes have undergone a rapid transformation over the last few years, morphing from bikes that seemed like they were cobbled together in the garage of a mad scientist to ones that are much more refined and well thought out. The 75/50 falls into the latter category, thanks to things like a charging port located just behind the headtube, where it's much less exposed to water from deep puddles, an integrated display on the top tube, and a wireless, handlebar-mounted remote that's used to switch between modes. The power button is underneath the top tube, and it also has a battery and mode indicator that could be used in a pinch if for some reason the main screen stopped working, or if the mini remote battery died.

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A wireless remote is used to switch between the four different levels of assistance.
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The power button is located on the underside of the top tube.

The 75/50 also has plenty of room for a water bottle, accessory mounts underneath the top tube, and a universal derailleur hanger to make finding a replacement easier, and to allow compatibility with SRAM's new Transmission drivetrain.

The battery can be accessed by removing the cover located on the bottom of the frame. Personally, I prefer this style over frames with large battery hatches – along with allowing for a stiffer frame, it makes it pretty much impossible for the battery to be knocked out of the frame, something I've seen happen with other designs.

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The battery slides out the bottom of the frame once the cover is removed.
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It's nice to see a bike without thru-headset cable routing and a ZS56 / ZS56 headset.

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Geometry & Sizing

Adaptability is the name of the game here, and Crestline has worked to make their bikes easy to adjust and customize to suit a rider's preference. There are only three frame sizes, but the range of rider heights can be expanded via a reach adjusting headset thanks to the use of a ZS56 / ZS56 headset.

The smaller two sizes come with a mixed wheel setup, and the largest size has dual 29” wheels. The rear triangles are interchangeable, so if a smaller rider wanted a 29” setup with longer chainstays, or if a taller rider wanted a mixed wheel setup Crestline does offer aftermarket rear triangles.

With the 180mm Zeb fork my test bike came with the head angle measured 64-degrees. The chainstay length is 443mm on the two mixed wheel sizes, and grows to 449 for the largest 29” model. Reach number range from 450 to 500mm, increasing in 25mm increments between sizes.

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Suspension Design

Cascade Components are best known for their extensive line of aftermarket links, typically designed to increase travel and progression on existing bikes. They took care of the kinematics on the 75/50 (and on Crestline's DH bike), which should theoretically eliminate the need for riders to search out a solution to increase the travel or progression of their bike.

The 75/50's 175mm of travel is delivered via a 230 x 65mm shock. The travel can be reduced to 150mm by running a 57.5mm shock and putting the flip chip in the ST position. Crestline recommends running between 28 – 30% sag, and say that the bike is designed to work with both air and coil shocks.

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Test Bike Setup

175 psi in the RockShox SuperDeluxe shock put me at 30% sag, which I stuck with for the duration of the test period. Up front, I ran 0 volume spacers and 69 psi in the 180mm Zeb.

The 20mm OneUp handlebars worked fine for me, but if this was my own bike I'd likely go with the 35mm rise version instead. The headtube length of the 75/50 isn't that long, and even with the 180mm fork I could have gone with a slightly taller front end to suit my preference.

I kept the WTB Judge tire on for the entirety of the test period, but switched to a Continental Argotal front tire for the wettest, sloppiest days - I get along much better with that tire than the Vigilante.


Me.
Mike Kazimer
Location: Bellingham, WA, USA
Height: 5'11" / 180cm
Inseam: 33" / 84cm
Weight: 160 lbs / 72.6 kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @mikekazimer


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Climbing

The 75/50 is a long travel, full-power eMTB, and that's pretty much exactly how it feels on the trail – there's no hiding the extra mass, especially on slower speed, tighter trails. However, it carries its weight well, and isn't a cumbersome, wallowy bike – even at 30% sag the suspension is very supportive, giving it a more efficient feel than its geometry numbers and travel amount might suggest.

Straightlining up steep, techy climbs was where the 75/50 really excelled. One of my favorite test laps includes a rocky, rooty moto trail that I still haven't managed to clean without dabbing, but I did get closer than I ever have while on the 75/50. The trail is full of long, extended steep sections where maintaining an even power output is the key to forward progress.

Cleaning tricky climbs on an eMTB isn't simply a matter of picking the most powerful mode and hanging on – that technique is a recipe for looping our or spinning the rear wheel in vain. On the 75/50 I could quickly switch between modes to keep the WTB Judge rear tire digging into the ground as I worked my way upwards, balancing the power output to match the trail angle and surface conditions.

The 75/50's 77-degree effective seat angle is fairly steep, although I do think it could go even steeper without any negative repercussions. On an eMTB you end up remaining seated for a longer portion of a climb compared to a regular bike, which makes being able to find the right weight balance between the front and rear wheels even more crucial.

I've come to prefer mixed-wheels for most eMTB applications, but it'd be interesting to try the 75/50 with the rear triangle that's used for the 29” version (and option Crestline will be offering in the future) – I have a feeling the longer chainstays would give the bike even more stability while climbing and descending.

Race Mode

Along with providing 400% assistance, the main talking point with the Bosch Race motor is the additional overrun. Basically, the bike continues forward a little longer under its own power once you stop pedaling compared to the standard Performance CX motor.

It takes some time to get used to that additional shove of power, and it's certainly not a feature that's usable in all situations - if you're riding a technical, exposed trail it's not going to be the mode to choose. I enjoyed it the most when going into a flat corner, where the extra power can be turned into a higher exit speed. It's also a handy feature for getting over downed logs – you can take a half pedal stroke and then sort of lunge / push to get over the obstacle.

Realistically, I don't think it's all that necessary for the vast majority of riders, but it also doesn't hurt to have it – remember, the extra assistance and overrun are only present in that one mode out of four.

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Descending

As I mentioned earlier, e-bikes are in the middle of a rapid evolution, and the 75/50 is a good example of what's possible. The big battery and aggressive geometry make it a great option for someone looking for a bike that can be used on rides that would normally involve a shuttle vehicle. Big jumps and higher speeds are where the 75/50 felt most at home – it has a very satisfying amount of pop off the lip of jumps and drops, and there's also plenty of progression to keep it from bottoming out harshly.

The supportive nature of the suspension that I noted while climbing is also present on the descents – it's a bike that rewards an aggressive rider, and the more speed I carried into chunky sections of trail the better it felt. It's not an ultra-comfy couch of a bike, likely a result of the suspension kinematics and shock tune, but it does a good job of carrying momentum and handling bigger impacts. A coil shock could be the ticket for riders looking to bump up the small bump sensitivity and overall grip.

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There were also a few times when the 75/50's handling felt pointier than I would have expected, usually on really steep trails with heavy braking. The 64-degree head angle isn't what I'd call steep, but it also isn't super slack – don't forget, that number's with a 180mm fork.

The way the bike goes through its rear travel combined with the 180mm fork sometimes required a more significant weight shift to avoid getting pulled too far forward in those situations. Running the Zeb with a bit more air pressure helped counteract this by keeping the front end up higher for longer.

The good news is that the ZS56 headtube diameter keeps the door open for all sorts of tinkering – the bike is compatible with reach- and angle-adjust headsets, allowing riders to customize the bike to suit their preferred terrain. The trails I tend to seek out on an e-bike are typically on the steeper side of things; if this was my personal bike I'd likely install a -1-degree angle adjust headset to make even more of a DH machine.


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Santa Cruz Bullit review
Santa Cruz Bullit


How does it compare?

At this point someone has inevitably already typed, “Looks like a Santa Cruz” into the comments section, so a comparison to the Bullit seems apt. That bike was released in 2021, but it's currently the closest match in Santa Cruz's lineup to the Crestline, with 170mm of front and rear travel. The geometry is quite similar between the two bikes, especially when it comes to reach. The Bullit's head angle is slacker by approximately .5-degrees. The chainstay length is longer on the Bullit too; funny enough, it's 449mm, the same number as the 29” rear triangle that the larger 75/50 model gets.

The biggest differentiator between the two is the motor and battery. The Bullit has Shimano's EP801 motor, a 630 Wh battery, and a wired display. The Crestline's 750 Wh battery gives it a longer run time, and the wireless controller and in-frame display are a more refined solution than Shimano's – I'd much rather have the remaining battery amount displayed as a percentage rather than a series of five bars.

As far as price goes, there's only one model of the Crestline at the moment, while Santa Cruz has a wider range of options to suit different budgets, although none of them really fall into the 'inexpensive' category.

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Pros

+ Bosch CX-R motor and 750 Wh battery deliver smooth power and plenty of range
+ Well thought out frame details
+ Adaptable to suit rider geometry preferences


Cons

- Head angle could be slacker in the stock configuration
- Limited build kit options



Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesThe Crestline 75/50 is a very well executed bike, even more so when you consider the size of the company – it has features that multiple larger brands still haven't successfully implemented. The Bosch motor is one of the best options currently on the market, and that combined with this bike's geometry and kinematics serves to create a full-powered machine that thrives at higher speeds, especially if there are big jumps in the mix.

The limited production run and lack of more budget-oriented options means this is more of a specialty item rather than something for the masses, but riders that manage to try one out are in for a treat. 
Mike Kazimer








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177 Comments
  • 95 6
 someone should come up with a way to manually actuate / adjust the duration of overrun on the fly. like maybe using something like a grip shifter for convenience? just throwing around ideas.
  • 19 1
 this is an insanely innovative idea
  • 5 26
flag owl-X FL (Apr 24, 2023 at 8:43) (Below Threshold)
 yup. Never thought of that but now that you've put it in my head it's a must-have. Maybe not on the fly, but tune it in an app?--essential from this day on!
  • 63 5
 i call it the "throttle"
  • 46 2
 this would free up the right foot for braking!
  • 11 3
 @owl-X: I...uh...think you missed the joke buddy
  • 18 2
 Maybe emtbs shouldn't have overrun as it's not directly related to rider input.
  • 1 0
 @owl-X: whoosh
  • 11 0
 And shorten the cranks to 10mm for clearance.
  • 52 0
 Talking to your financial planner-
FP- Well, I see here you have a $600 a month car payment...you know that's really a financial anchor around your neck.
Me- Oh don't worry, that's my E-bike...it'll be paid off in 4 years...
  • 27 4
 Reviews a bike with 63.5º HTA (per geo chart), lists a con: "Head angle could be slacker in the stock configuration"
How slack is "slack enough" for stock?
  • 26 13
 The actual (measured) head angle with a 180mm Zeb is 64-degrees. I think a degree slacker would give it even more downhill capability with minimal affect on its climbing.
  • 50 1
 @mikekazimer: the motor should help the climbing
  • 15 5
 Slacker than my last 2 Dh bikes, 1 the most successful ever made, the other RC's hardline winning Session. So glad my main bike is a V4 Nomad with a cascade link, coil front and rear, no idea how I ride it with the HA being sooo steep.
  • 4 1
 For what it's worth I've measured my one at a tickle under 63.5 deg (63.3 iirc) with the 180mm ohlins using a 5mm reach adjust headset. Nerd things.
  • 10 0
 @Robstyle, that makes sense - the reach adjust also reduces the head angle slightly because of the height of the lower headset cup. And the Ohlins A2C measurement is a little taller than the Zeb.
  • 2 1
 @mikekazimer: Did you check to see if the ZEB had any down suck? The 23 Rockshox seem to be doing that again like a few years ago
  • 4 0
 @avg-roadie, that was at full extension.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: Was it the Relay that puked it's battery out of the burrito holder?

"it makes it pretty much impossible for the battery to be knocked out of the frame, something I've seen happen with other designs."
  • 4 0
 @mikekazimer: the jokes write themselves sometimes.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: Try a Reign, it has the slack head angle, right seat angle and crushes SC and this on value
  • 1 0
 @SunsPSD: agree. Mine has been going for two years and has been faultless. Handles steep tech like a champ. Descends great. Heaps of tire clearance. Cost half the price of the other big brands. Surprised there hasn’t been more reviews.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: that’s what she said.
  • 19 2
 Wow literally looks like a Santa Cruz is the rear linkage system almost the same as well?
  • 13 1
 There's no almost about it.
  • 1 0
 Isn’t VPP patented?
  • 7 0
 @oatkinso: at this point the 20 year protection has probably elapsed given that I think outland fild it in about 1998.
  • 8 0
 The VPP patent expired ages ago. Saying it’s the same as a Santa Cruz is like saying a Specialized frame is the same as an Orbea. For some reason no one ever says that about anything Horst link. I think we are going to see less variety in suspension layouts as patents expire and people come to the realization that more complexity for the sake of being unique isn’t necessarily a good thing.
  • 1 0
 @taquitos: cracks me up as well. If comparing to orbea wouldn't Trek or Devinci be better comparisons as the all have concentric pivots around the rear axle (ABP for trek and split pivot for Devinci) giving them the axle path of a single pivot but less brake jack?
  • 1 0
 @Louisd2000: I suppose that’s true. Even then you could say that the only difference is the pivot and axle happen to overlap on one and not the other.
  • 1 0
 @taquitos: Are you saying the VPP is needlessly complex? If so, I'd assume you haven't serviced any modern VPP bike. Having essentially two solid triangles with the articulation coming from two linkages (in which the bearings reside) makes service a breeze.
  • 2 0
 @rockandride6: no I think VPP is reasonable. It’s just a form of four bar. Six bar is getting a little unnecessary.
  • 4 0
 @taquitos: Totaly agree with your point. It is rediculous to say it looks like a santa cruz. Everything looks like a "session" these days. They picked a good platform and improved it with engeneering. I have a cascade link on my enduro and it changed the bike for the better so much so that I can't think of another bike park bike that iwould get (maybe the Crestline if they made it in my size).

In general (not critisizing anyone in this thread) For the cost of this bike you get a race motor and a cascade link, niether of which are cheap and both are limited to high end builds. If you can't afford it or justify the cost it sucks, but don't throw shade at people wo can that isn't fair.
  • 2 0
 @taquitos: LOVE THIS comment! Its refreshing to see comments from people that have a good understanding and perspective on all this type of stuff and can understand why we made some of the decisions we did when developing our bikes. Thank you.
  • 23 6
 You lost me at $12k
  • 8 1
 I've seen the owner and others riding this around Bellingham for the last 8 months. Seems like a really interesting build and features that would be fun for an EEEEbike. It's hard to fork out that $$ though, the Pole Voima with the same race motor and suspension costs $8.9K
  • 8 1
 @allredbikes: and the Voima certainly doesn’t look like a Santa Cruz.
  • 20 12
 @allredbikes: Pole is direct to consumer. Crestline is a hybrid model since we would like to still support local bike shops. This is why you see the price differential. We are hoping people supporting our brand will make the extra yard in order to support local bikes shops which we feel are integral to our riding community as a whole.
  • 6 2
 @troydon: 3k difference in price for using an lbs.
  • 8 0
 @SQbiker: would not pay a shop $3k to order and assemble a bike for me.
  • 17 1
 @troydon: "We are hoping people supporting our brand will make the extra yard in order to support local bikes shops"

Why should consumers stump up thousands of extra $ to support a model which clearly isn't sustainable if cutting out a middle-man is all that's required to undermine it?
I'll happily spend a little extra for an independent coffee instead of Starbucks, but you need to get a grip on reality if you think consumers' good nature extends to the price of a vacation.

If YOU want to see lbs supported then YOU adjust YOUR pricing, don't put that on the consumer.
  • 8 13
flag lrcruz01 (Apr 25, 2023 at 5:27) (Below Threshold)
 @redrook: LOL "model which clearly isn't sustainable" They sold out of their first batch with a waiting list. You can't afford it, move along dude or go get a side hustle job..
  • 12 3
 @lrcruz01: Ah the old "if you can't afford it" chestnut. If you don't understand why you don't waste $3K I don't think you're too good with money Big Grin There's no need for anyone to get a side hustle, they'll just buy a bike that's $3K less lol

From your other comments you seem pretty desperate to justify your purchase and engage in ad hominem. Glad you enjoy your "boutique" (read: more expensive than competitors for no apparent reason) but don't act so insecure about it Wink
  • 8 2
 @lrcruz01: I can afford one, but why would I want one? What does it offer that's so much better?

They sold out because they make small numbers compared to bigger manufacturers. YT, Canyon and other direct sales companies sell out quick too, precisely because they offer better value.

Fools and money are easily parted though Wink As @redrook says, your comments smack of insecurity. Just enjoy your bike, you don't need to defend it lol
  • 8 6
 @lrcruz01: Why don't you move along? Just a thought. Or are you butt buddies with the guys at Crestline (which sounds like a toothpaste lol). That would explain why you're butthurt (ha) at people insulting a product you bought lol

I own an M5 which I went on a waiting list for. Arguably a terrible financial idea, and I'm not going to pretend there's any logical justification for it, I just wanted one. I'm not going to tell anyone that it's good value for money or there's any logic/justification for it because there isn't, especially because it's on its second engine. It's the same with this, just deal with the criticism you little pussy.
  • 7 1
 @troydon: Hope is not a good business strategy in my experience. If you want to stay at low production levels and stagnate without any growth or room for development that's fine, but hoping for charity from consumers isn't even a good idea then.
  • 2 11
flag lrcruz01 (Apr 25, 2023 at 6:57) (Below Threshold)
 @redrook: Ha.. Insecure? You crying about the price of the bike! And no I’m not desperate about paying the price. Seems you need the emotional attention to justify the bike is too expensive.
  • 17 4
 @redrook: Well, that's not sustainable either. I think if you guys had any idea of the cost that goes into making a bike like this and the margins made by each party involved, you'd be more understanding of the price tag and actually surprised at how little margin there is when compared to many other industries. The other thing you all seem to be missing is that the bikes are the same or actually less than the equivalent level built bikes from Santa Cruz, Yeti, Pivot, Ibis, Orbea or Specialized who are doing much bigger volume and thus getting them for a much better price. I'd also like to see a bike equipped with the new Bosch CX-Race from any of the brands mentioned that is not the premium model which will undoubtedly be carrying a higher price tag than what you would like to see.
  • 4 11
flag lrcruz01 (Apr 25, 2023 at 8:40) (Below Threshold)
 @unicornkingdom: I must of touched a nerve you buddy. And no I’m butt buddies with the toothpaste company either. If you actually spent two minutes and looked at the market on the high end bikes, you’d see this bike is right there with them. So, when people complain about the price and talk crap, needless to say they are talking out of their rump.
  • 8 2
 @troydon: your words:

"Pole is direct to consumer. Crestline is a hybrid model since we would like to still support local bike shops. This is why you see the price differential. "

No doubt in my mind that you have an amazing product. Possibly very much worth the price point you are set at.

But when you start blowing smoke up our a$$ that the reason for a 3k price difference with another brand is because you support the lbs? There is no way that 3k of each unit sold goes to the lbs.
  • 7 2
 @lrcruz01: I think you're either projecting or haven't read what I wrote. I'm not looking to buy any bikes, I'm pointing out the futility of asking people to pay $3000 simply to prop up shops.

But continue with your ad hominem, it really lends credence to your outbursts Wink
  • 5 0
 @lrcruz01: Yeah counter-accusations are generally the tactic of very secure people and non-infants lol ("I'm not stupid, you're stupid"). The butthurt in you is fierce, get off the hot seat lol
  • 4 0
 @troydon: Sorry but which is it buddy? Adding on LBS margins or economies of scale?

Also I'm pretty sure the equivalently priced bikes from other brands also get called out for being bullshit Wink
  • 4 1
 @lrcruz01: Shhh, grown ups are talking.
  • 3 0
 @SQbiker: Careful, you're dangerously close to making sense, which won't fly here.
  • 3 0
 @lrcruz01: If you're not insecure you'll be able to walk away from this comment section right now.
  • 3 0
 @SQbiker: bike shops like around 30% margin when possible. 3k out of a 12k bike would be 25% margin.
  • 4 0
 @SQbiker: Zero smoke blowing here mate. Just how the world works. Bike shops often make more $ on a bike sale than the manufacturer.
  • 6 2
 @allredbikes: Check out the price of a Pole with Bosch CX-Race motor. The price starts from 9,998 € That's $11k from a direct to consumer brand! Just some food for thought for you guys to understand! This means they are getting dangerously close the same prices as us ($1k less) for a CX-R motor build and they are direct to consumer. seems like you guys should be asking how did these guys manage to have prices that are the same or even less than some of the other big company brands that only have a LBS model
  • 3 2
 @rbeach: Check out the price of a Pole with Bosch CX-Race motor. The price starts from 9,998 € That's $11k from a direct to consumer brand! Just some food for thought for you guys to understand! This means they are getting dangerously close the same prices as us ($1k less) for a CX-R motor build and they are direct to consumer. seems like you guys should be asking how did these guys manage to have prices that are the same or even less than some of the other big company brands that only have a LBS model
  • 1 0
 @rbeach: Nah… I’m right here buddy lol
  • 1 1
 @redrook: I’m not projecting and I’m not making an assumption you’re buying a bike either. I don't get why you’re harping on this bike and for it’s price when practically every high end boutique bike company makes a bike in this price point. So, why does Crestline take the beating for its price?? In fact, only other bike out there right now that has similar components to this one is the Orbea wild FS with the CXR motor. That bike is sitting at 12k
  • 1 2
 @unicornkingdom: Dude, what?? Of course I’m countering your accusation so I guess that means I’m not insecure I guess. So, you made the point of buying an M5 (I’m assuming you’re referring to a bmw. I’d guess you bought that car over an amg or another high end car because there was value for that car for its price point and features. Someone came to you and said you’re an idiot for buying that car when you could have saved 20k and bought an Hyundai genesis. You’d laugh at them and I would too. So, how is this bike so overpriced when practically every legit bike company makes a high end bike model in this price point?
  • 2 0
 @troydon: The lowest price is $8,854 USD + 250 shipping to the USA for the CX- RACE motor package. EU countries pay VAT.
  • 1 0
 @allredbikes: If you price the Voima with similar components to the crestline, it comes in at $10455 before tax and shipping. I was about to pull the trigger with the voima when they added the cxr motor
  • 1 0
 @lrcruz01: he was saying the price "starts at" I'm just correcting that the price starts at 8,854 for US customers, with no tax since they don't have an office here. The cxr motor sounds fun, and very tempting!
  • 1 0
 @allredbikes: Got it. I didn’t know about the tax. Then again I’m in California so wouldn’t be surprised they’d tax to ship here
  • 1 0
 @troydon: Just bought a Voima frameset but would have bought this instead if there were a frameset option. I'm no marketing guru but I feel like there's probably a decent market for framesets at this level if there's a way to make it work.
  • 1 0
 @lrcruz01: yah, true. Cali gets you everywhere for taxes. Pole doesn't have an office in the US full stop though. They have talked about it for a bit but everything is based in Finland for now.
  • 10 2
 “satisfying amount of pop off the lip of jumps,” - well said! I’ve been saying a similar version of this to my buddies about this bike for the last few months. They roll their eyes because they’re sick of hearing it. I still say it damn near every ride .

Bike has a great balance of stability and playfulness in the mullet setup. This review is pretty spot on. Would like to try it as a 29er eventually.

One thing I didn’t see mentioned (or maybe missed it?) was that it has a flip chip and ability to run different shock strokes. This effectively gives you the flexibility to change rear travel from 140-something to 175, or some ridiculous range like that. I am running 163/170 and it’s great for what I ride (mostly flow and jumps). This, along with other customizable geo, and what I assume to be the kinematics make the bike extremely tunable.

Easily beat e bike I’ve ridden! Many PRs and biggest sends aboard this thing in just a short amount of time!
  • 19 11
 This stuff makes me kinda sad. This the future of mountain biking? Resistance is futile. I personally don’t have $12,000 to play. I know you don’t have too. But the system is headed this way. 38mm forks. Huge brakes. The pr behind this move to motors is good. You can try to ignore it. But I see the damn things everywhere there are not supposed to be. No one is enforcing it. And how could you. Money ruins everything. $100,000 vans with $12,000 bikes at the trail head. The market is so big for them to retool and push to convince us these are bikes?
  • 8 2
 Just go for a Vitus for a third of the price and 99% of the performance.
  • 1 0
 @unicornkingdom: plenty of great eBikes that come in cheaper than manual ones
  • 6 1
 @chileconqueso let me start by saying I do NOT have a $100,000 van or $12,000 bike. Despite that, I genuinely don't get why having that at the trailhead is a bad thing. Having a jerk at the trailhead sucks, but having an expensive vehicle and bike doesn't necessarily make that person a jerk. I've met plenty of people rolling up like this who are absolute gem's of people.
They got lucky, made good money somehow, and they spend that money mountain biking with their family. They also spend that money patronizing local businesses, supporting trail groups, and taking the depreciation hit on bikes that we can then buy second hand. I just don't get the villainization.
  • 2 0
 @rockandride6: sorry just a bad stereotype. I’m nice to everyone that deserves it. I’ve met plenty of nice people in every tax bracket. What people spend their money on doesn’t matter, I just don’t appreciate it I guess. I’ve also met a lot of Mercedes sprinter camper van douche nuggets! And motorcycle riders, but that’s another story for next time! I’m sure I’m a sterorype that someone disagrees with too. I love the bike and they won’t ruin my love for it. My perspective on life is just mine and I forget not everyone is 43 with dependents and a works with their hands to make a living. Maybe it’s jealousy? My life is pretty rad. Lots of freedom as the cost of not driving a $100,000 van. Mine was $6000!
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 The trek rail 7 2nd gen is $5100 right now. I was able to work with my local bike shop to get it for $4800. I paid less for a motor than I did for my bike without one haha. The spec on it isn’t half bad either, it works just fine out of the box
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 @chileconqueso: It's all a spectrum I guess? I'm a 35 year old supporting a family of 4 on one income...it feels cruddy and hard, and for sure, I could see a much better use of $100,000 than a Sprinter. But I bet people look at me rolling up in my used 2018 GMC Sierra 1500 and think I'm a douche. Shoot, I bet when I was still rolling up in my $450 1973 Jeep J-2500 pickup with a moving pad over the tailgate I would have though I was a douche.
If I ever came on enough money that I could justify a rad van and not feel like it was a burden, I'd just hope that I wasn't immediately thought of as an d*ck before anyone bothered to talk to me.
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 @Solorider13: there is hope. $5000 is definitely a lot. I could justify it. I like nice things. Especially things that make me happy!
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 @rockandride6: yeah, jumped the gun on the sprinter comment. It’s mostly watching my cool town turn into a vacation destination. Seeing it used and abused. Housing prices skyrocket. Etc. these things started appearing at the same exact time! I’d drive the heck out of a sprinter 4x4 if it didn’t stress me out financially. My econoline does the job too though!
  • 7 1
 I really like the look of this. But more and more with both E and normal bikes I start reading the review and stop once I get to the price....
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 I’d say hands down this is the best full power ebike on the market. Small brand that has all of the new Bosch features, solid frame design and good looks!
  • 11 3
 Now, if only it were $7-8k not $12k.
  • 5 3
 @nickfranko: Still cheaper thank lots of other e-bikes on the market that are not as good as this...
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 Good looks? I'll looks like a pregnant whale.
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 @93EXCivic: makes sense tho as you think a 93 civic looks good...
  • 9 3
 @avg-roadie: I mean I never said the Civic looked good so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • 5 0
 No where near the new Orbea rise...
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 @avg-roadie: Like what ones and why, specifically?
  • 14 10
 Crestline DH or EEB is on top of any non lycra clad MTBers dream bike list this year. That Bosch race motor is just icing on the cake! Well done guys
  • 8 3
 Well thought out ebike and using the best ebike motor on the market (Bosch). Top of my list for a full-E.
  • 3 1
 Been on a lot of bikes over the years, both acoustic and E….yes this thing is expensive (any bike with that build is gonna be) relatively speaking but to me it’s clearly heads and shoulders better than anything I’ve ever ridden. So stoked to be able to have one
  • 6 2
 Having seen this in the flesh many times under Troydon - this is an absolute ripper of a bike. Gorgeous and functional.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer, what are your thoughts when comparing it to the new Norco C1 Range VLT? The Range has a couple of the changes you mentioned, a 63 degree head angle and 462mm chainstays.
  • 1 0
 I want to see the response to this question too!
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 There’s a high density battery (double the capacity) that’s about to hit the market , it will be a game changer. This means all current e-bikes will be left in the dust as ebike batteries are proprietary and can’t be upgraded..

Best to wait a year before spending $12,000+.
  • 1 0
 Any teaser links to the battery tech?
  • 3 0
 @jwick: I don't know about 'about to hit the market,' but here's some news from the Illinois Institute of Tech via Australia: thedriven.io/2023/04/03/scientists-hail-new-battery-with-4-times-energy-density-of-lithium-ion
  • 1 0
 @ceecee: 4x the density would be a game changer for more than these e-MTB toys we enjoy. Really hope this tech makes it out of the lab. Thanks for the link.
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 @jwick: I can't take much credit for devising the search terms 'high density lithium battery 2023' and still use my all-mechanical mtb to run about town as well as for its normative application, but you're welcome. Looks like the article I selected was mostly copypasted from Argonne. This scientific research is eager to speak the languages of commerce
  • 13 12
 A friend has been riding a ebike for a few months he's riding farther and more often the other day he rode his antique bike without a motor and gave up after half a hour because he's in worse shape
  • 17 10
 Huh. I'm in better shape after becoming an eeber...I just get bored on a pedal bike now. I'm so accustomed to the pure gonzo mania from the get-go, I can't be bothered to wait an hour for my first descent... and so it goes...
  • 21 1
 My experience (may not be everyone's experience)...and laughing at myself as I fall into the typical debate thread found in every ebike comment section

•When I ride my (full-powered) ebike and don't put in any effort, I don't really have any fitness benefits beyond burning some calories (my heart rate doesn't go past 120). For me, the primary benefit of these rides is mental as I return in a much better mental state.

•When I ride my ebike and deliberately put in a hard effort, I can get 80% as good of a workout in as my regular bike. The benefit of an ebike in these situations is simply being able to get in more descents in a shorter period of time or do a trail I wouldn't have time to do on my regular bike.

•I can't ride my regular bike without putting in at least a moderate effort (since I'm the one doing all the work). Because of this, I always get a workout benefit from my regular bike. If I put in a hard effort on my regular bike, it's better than any effort I can put in on my ebike. My favorite days are on my regular bike and, if time and energy levels are not a factor, I much prefer it to my ebike.

Because of these reasons, I do think it's possible to see a decline in fitness if all you do is go out and have minimal effort ebike rides. However, setting goals such as "number of laps in X hours" or "ride until the battery dies" can help a rider resist the urge to just let the ebike motor do do the work.

tldr: on an ebike it is up to the rider to decide to put the effort in, on a regular bike the rider is required to put the effort in
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 @mtbthe603: I've been watching closely as well lately and generally my workouts are 30% harder, 2X longer on my ebike. I burn more calories and I'll do laps on some of the fun / harder trails and have become a better rider.

On my normal bike, I'm now hitting PRs. I generally don't wish I was on my e-bike either, it's just a different ride in general.

Both are fun just different.
  • 3 1
 @allredbikes: what are you using to count calories? Most app/fitness watches that do it are hot, hot garbage.
  • 3 0
 And your friend is representative of everyone else right?
  • 1 0
 @TheRamma: i go between suunto and apple watch… suunto seems to be less accurate.
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 @allredbikes: don't see a lot on the suunto, but apple watch does pretty well when tested broadly on caloric expenditures. does the apple watch have an e-bike setting?
  • 1 0
 @Murphius: confirmation bias eludes some folks.
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 @TheRamma: I generally read the data via Strava
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 @allredbikes: ah, no experience with that. Calorie counters, in general, are frustratingly inaccurate!
  • 1 1
 @Murphius: I don't know everyone else
  • 2 0
 @owl-X: replace the eeb with a singlespeed in my experience. Mash mash mash, spin when you can, pump everything and wait on those brakes! Regular bikes with gears and full suspension seem so relaxing now Smile
  • 2 1
 I test rode an electric city bike yesterday. It was an absolute blast and a game changer.

I am now going to buy a motorcycle! Don’t bother with e-bikes that you have to peddle just get a motorcycle .
  • 1 0
 @kingbike2: why are you even here?
  • 1 0
 @Sluker: Serious answer: I started mountain biking in 1987 and still ride . My comment is partially trolling the ebike haters and also acknowledging that e-bikes are fun.
  • 6 6
 Still can't believe i'm reading the sentence "the power button is underneath the top tube, and it also has a battery and mode indicator that could be used in a pinch if for some reason the main screen stopped working, or if the mini remote battery died" on a mountain bike website
  • 4 1
 Got a good look at one of these this past weekend. No doubt one of the best looking ebikes out right now. So dialed!
  • 5 2
 I love E Bikes, what I especially love is how much it pisses off the 'Septic Tanks' (Yanks, you wouldn't get it...)
  • 2 0
 I probably wouldn't buy any bike without this headset/reach adjust set up...esp anything over $6k
  • 2 0
 I saw the pic and then EEB and I mistook it for REEB. My thought was no way, didn't pic REEB going EEB
  • 2 0
 This bike costs as much as a year of collegiate schooling. But who can manual on a degree, not me
  • 2 0
 @unicornkingdom: Happy to live where I do not have to pay for my education. Why should I in 21st century in a developed country?
  • 5 3
 I own this piece of art and I am so utterly happy with it.
  • 3 1
 looks like a... SWEET BIKE!
  • 2 1
 Santa… I Know Him!

Crestline is absolutely Killing it, & partnered with Cascade Components.. Major Kudos
  • 2 0
 What do you mean by "full power" ?
  • 1 0
 @lenniDK: Full power means the new generation of motors with 80+Nm of torque. Versus "lightweight" ebikes with 60Nm or less, and usually smaller batteries to save weight. Full power ebikes typically weigh 23+kg while lightweight ebikes (Orbea Rise, Trek Fuel EXe, Specialized Levo XL etc) weigh sub-20kg.
  • 1 0
 Does that motor overrun mode wreck gears? I mean if you ease power to shift but your motor keeps pulling?
  • 1 0
 Good question. I find that just using "Boost" mode on my 60Nm ebike is much harder on the drivetrain that using "Trail".
  • 3 2
 12k and a set of MT7's, you can really taste the value.
  • 5 5
 Crestline out engineered Santa Cruz. The peak of SC engineering lead on other brands has passed.
  • 1 0
 Surely a Grim Donut E version must be in works?
  • 1 0
 must have timbits storage
  • 1 0
 The pedals don’t get in the way on this one
  • 1 0
 can confirm - does not look like a session
  • 1 1
 it can go fast in reverse?
  • 2 2
 Looks perfect. Fantastic name.
  • 2 3
 How much torque and HP does this moped make? Looking for something that requires minimal pedaling effort like a moped.
  • 3 1
 @lostleroy: you are in a wrong place to educate yourself and you clearly need it
  • 2 2
 Jup Santa
  • 1 1
 That bike is
  • 1 4
 these just look like Ali express rip offs of Santa Cruz eebs and nothing more
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