Review: 2019 Eminent Haste Pro
The Eminent Cycles Haste debuted a little over a year ago, the result of Jeff Soncrant's desire to start his own mountain bike company. Jeff started working on Eminent five years ago because he was looking for a great performing enduro bike that would accept any shock- coil or air, all wrapped in an attractive package. At that time he wasn’t able to find what he was looking for amongst the offerings available so Eminent forged their own path and developed the Haste. The US-based company uses a direct-to-consumer model, but they also have a few dealers stocking bikes.
According to Eminent, the 160mm, 27.5"-wheeled Haste is aimed at "someone who is more mature - this isn't their first bike. They're looking for something different with more engineering behind it." The Haste comes in three different builds for 2019. The mantra behind it is "good, better, best" - or "entry, mid-level, fully-loaded." The $3,999 entry level bike features all brand name components, Fox suspension, DT Wheels, Magura brakes, and Maxxis tires.
According to Eminent, the 160mm, 27.5"-wheeled Haste is aimed at "someone who is more mature - this isn't their first bike. They're looking for something different with more engineering behind it." The Haste comes in three different builds for 2019. The mantra behind it is "good, better, best" - or "entry, mid-level, fully-loaded." The $3,999 entry level bike features all brand name components, Fox suspension, DT Wheels, Magura brakes, and Maxxis tires.
Eminent Haste
Intended use: Enduro
Travel: 160mm
Wheel size: 27.5"
Frame construction: carbon
Head angle: 65.5º
Chainstay length: 442mm
Colors: Team carbon/graphite, Team blue/white gloss, ZR1black/red satin, ZR1 red satin
Sizes: 56cm, 59cm, 62cm, 65cm, 68cm
Weight: 31.2 lbs
Price: $4,999 USD - As tested
More info: www.eminentcycles.com
Intended use: Enduro
Travel: 160mm
Wheel size: 27.5"
Frame construction: carbon
Head angle: 65.5º
Chainstay length: 442mm
Colors: Team carbon/graphite, Team blue/white gloss, ZR1black/red satin, ZR1 red satin
Sizes: 56cm, 59cm, 62cm, 65cm, 68cm
Weight: 31.2 lbs
Price: $4,999 USD - As tested
More info: www.eminentcycles.com
The top of the line bike is $5,999 USD and has Cane Creek suspension and a Shimano XT/XTR drivetrain with Industry Nine wheels. The model we tested is more of a custom build and sells for $4,999.
 | The Haste isn't your run-of-the mill big brand bike - it brings something a little different to the table. |
Construction and Features
The Haste has a unique look to it, largely due to Eminent's AFS (Active Float System) suspension design, their take on a concept used by Mert Lawwill back in the '90s. The bike's carbon frame is built around 27.5-inch wheels, and delivers 160mm of rear travel via a 230x60mm metric shock.
The carbon frame is Eminent's own blend of high modulus carbon, and most of the features we've come to expect on a modern bike - there's internal cable routing, ISCG 05 chain guide tabs, a carbon down tube guard, and 12x148 Boost spacing. The one thing that's missing is internal dropper post routing - according to Eminent, running a portion of housing on the outside of the seat tube was the best way to avoid having it turn sharp corners inside the frame, and it also eliminates the potential for cable rattle or rubbing. It's a small detail, but one that does potentially limit the number of compatible dropper posts.
The Haste has a unique look to it, largely due to Eminent's AFS (Active Float System) suspension design, their take on a concept used by Mert Lawwill back in the '90s. The bike's carbon frame is built around 27.5-inch wheels, and delivers 160mm of rear travel via a 230x60mm metric shock.
The carbon frame is Eminent's own blend of high modulus carbon, and most of the features we've come to expect on a modern bike - there's internal cable routing, ISCG 05 chain guide tabs, a carbon down tube guard, and 12x148 Boost spacing. The one thing that's missing is internal dropper post routing - according to Eminent, running a portion of housing on the outside of the seat tube was the best way to avoid having it turn sharp corners inside the frame, and it also eliminates the potential for cable rattle or rubbing. It's a small detail, but one that does potentially limit the number of compatible dropper posts.
Clean and simple internal cable routing.
Seat binder is integrated.
The now unique suspension design on the Haste has been around for years if you can remember the Yeti Lawwill and Schwinn Straight 8.
The floating rear brake helps modulation and keeps the suspension active under braking.
Geometry & Sizing
The Haste has a 65.5-degree head tube angle, with a 438mm reach number on the 62cm frame and 442mm chainstays. The seat tube angle is a 73-degrees, which is very conservative, especially when compared to some of the bikes we've seen come out in the last few months like the Yeti SB150.
Sizing on the Haste is not what we're used to seeing from many brands. You won't see a Small, Medium, Large listed on the geometry chart; instead, Eminent's sizes are based on the top tube length. It's an interesting direction to take, especially considering that seeing that many brands are looking at reach rather than top tube length as a sizing metric. There's also the fact the the seat tube length is on the longer side of things.
For instance, take the 62cm size tested here. That bike has a reach of 438mm, which is similar to a size medium from other brands, but that same size also has a seat tube of 471mm (18.5 inches), which is what's usually found on a size large. In other words, certain riders may have difficulty running a dropper post with their ideal amount of travel.
Suspension Design
The suspension design of the Haste is what really sets it apart from most other bikes out there. It's design is a parallelogram - similar to Mert Lawwill's design used by Gary Fisher and Yeti in the '90s, but with present-day materials and kinematics. The upper link of the suspension pushes the shock, which is connected to the frame's swingarm. Having it connected like this instead of to the front of the frame helps isolate the shock from lateral forces that create friction. There are angular contact bearings at all of the suspension points to add stiffness and help with the transference of force up and down while improving durability.
The suspension is made to be moderately progressive and to work for air and coil shock configurations along with a wide range of rider weights. There's a decreasing leverage ratio and it ramps up without any ups and downs in the curve. At sag, there's an anti-squat of 115%.
With the arm directly driving the shock with nothing in between, as you would have on a four bar/FSR platform, it's difficult to get the braking forces 100% disengaged from the suspension. If that isn't managed, you end up with some bad braking tendencies and chatter with the suspension when you're trying to slow down. On the Eminent, the brake caliper floats between the rear axle and a ball-joint attached to the swingarm on a track to help isolate the brake from the suspension, which should help provide better brake modulation and a smoother feel while descending.
| The Lawwill design suspension wants to adhere to the trail, and go fast. |
Lawwill style.
Some funky angles allow for the shock to be isolated from lateral forces which cuts down on friction.
Specifications
| Specifications | ||
| Price | $5999 | |
| Travel | 160mm | |
| Rear Shock | Cane Creek Double Barrel Air | |
| Fork | Cane Creek Helm Air 170mm Fork | |
| Headset | Cane Creek | |
| Cassette | SRAM GX 10-50t | |
| Crankarms | SRAM X01 | |
| Chainguide | MRP SXg | |
| Rear Derailleur | SRAM GX Eagle | |
| Shifter Pods | SRAM GX Eagle | |
| Handlebar | Answer Pro Taper Carbon Handlebars | |
| Stem | Valiant Stem, 31.8 dia | |
| Grips | Lizard Skins Dual Lock on Grip | |
| Brakes | SRAM Guide RSC | |
| Wheelset | DT Swiss M1700 | |
| Tires | Maxxis Minion DHF / DHRII | |
| Seat | WTB Volt Team Saddle - Ti Rails | |
| Seatpost | Fox Transfer Performance | |
Test Bike Setup
The Haste came spec'd with what I would almost consider a good all-round trail build, with 2.3" Maxxis Minion DHF/DHR II tires on DT wheels, a Sram GX Eagle drivetrain, Fox Transfer dropper, and Cane Creek suspension to smooth the ride. The Guide brakes are a little underpowered for a 160mm bike, especially coupled with the 160mm rotor on the back, but that's the only thing I see as an omission. There was really nothing I felt compelled to do upon unboxing the bike - an easy process in itself as Eminent sends it pre-assembled and ready to go. All told, getting it put together and ready to ride was only a ten minute process.
The Cane Creek suspension is pretty straight-forward in set-up but since they're right down the road from me, I met up with one of their guys to double check my settings and I was pretty spot on with what I had. I ran the sag at 19mm, or 32% of the shock's travel.
The Cane Creek suspension is pretty straight-forward in set-up but since they're right down the road from me, I met up with one of their guys to double check my settings and I was pretty spot on with what I had. I ran the sag at 19mm, or 32% of the shock's travel.
Daniel Sapp
Location: Brevard, NC, USA
Age: 31
Height: 5'10"
Inseam: 32"
Weight: 152 lbs
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @d_sapp1
Location: Brevard, NC, USA
Age: 31
Height: 5'10"
Inseam: 32"
Weight: 152 lbs
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @d_sapp1
I spent my time on the Haste at home in Brevard, NC. I rode it on the more rugged, rocky and root infested trails of Pisgah National Forest where the climbs are long and the descents are fast and violent.
Climbing
The suspension design of the Haste helps it go up technical trail well, and even without using the climb switch on the Double Barrel Air there was plenty of support. The bike feels light and nimble heading uphill; there's no unwanted mushiness when stomping hard on the pedals It felt efficient as it sat up well in its travel, and has no issue pedaling over or through obstacles.
The seat angle does feel slack, and once I got around to looking at the geometry chart my impressions were confirmed. The slack angle puts the pedals farther out in front, and even with the seat slammed forward and on longer climbs I struggled with my hips becoming tight, something I rarely experience with other bikes in this category.
I rode the 62 cm size frame. With the frame this size the collar of the seatpost was bottomed out on the frame with no room to go any lower in order to achieve my preferred seat height. If you're ordering a Haste - pay attention to the sizing and make sure you're on the correct one. The seat tube heights are taller than average, which may limit how long of a dropper post you can use.
I knew I would be right on the cusp of seat tube height and could deal with that, but with the reach on the 62cm size (equivalent to a large from most other manufacturers) is a scant 438mm. Had I sized down to the 59cm, it would have been 411mm. To put that in perspective, Specialized's Stumpjumper which we have tested and agree has fairly conservative geometry has a reach of 435mm on a size medium; their small is 415mm.
On a more positive note, more technical sections of trail felt very manageable at a lower speeds - the Haste was very precise and easy to maneuver through tighter turns, although the front end did feel a little light at times during steep, seated climbing efforts.
The suspension design of the Haste helps it go up technical trail well, and even without using the climb switch on the Double Barrel Air there was plenty of support. The bike feels light and nimble heading uphill; there's no unwanted mushiness when stomping hard on the pedals It felt efficient as it sat up well in its travel, and has no issue pedaling over or through obstacles.
The seat angle does feel slack, and once I got around to looking at the geometry chart my impressions were confirmed. The slack angle puts the pedals farther out in front, and even with the seat slammed forward and on longer climbs I struggled with my hips becoming tight, something I rarely experience with other bikes in this category.
I rode the 62 cm size frame. With the frame this size the collar of the seatpost was bottomed out on the frame with no room to go any lower in order to achieve my preferred seat height. If you're ordering a Haste - pay attention to the sizing and make sure you're on the correct one. The seat tube heights are taller than average, which may limit how long of a dropper post you can use.
I knew I would be right on the cusp of seat tube height and could deal with that, but with the reach on the 62cm size (equivalent to a large from most other manufacturers) is a scant 438mm. Had I sized down to the 59cm, it would have been 411mm. To put that in perspective, Specialized's Stumpjumper which we have tested and agree has fairly conservative geometry has a reach of 435mm on a size medium; their small is 415mm.
On a more positive note, more technical sections of trail felt very manageable at a lower speeds - the Haste was very precise and easy to maneuver through tighter turns, although the front end did feel a little light at times during steep, seated climbing efforts.
Descending
The Haste really shines when it's pointed downhill - as it should, given that it has 160 millimeters of travel on tap. It doesn't come alive immediately, though. It rewards a more aggressive riding style and feels best when it's really pushed into obstacles and corners. It sits up higher in its travel than, say, a Santa Cruz Nomad, but it offers plenty of traction in roots and rocks. Again, the short reach and awkward geometry incited a bit of initial trepidation, but once I opened it up, the Haste delivered a magic carpet ride. The bike smoothed out the rough and felt glued to the ground.
One upside to the laid back seat angle is the fact that it's easier to get it out of the way than a bike with a steeper angle. I could descend on the Haste without fully slamming the seat down. Try to do that on a bike with a 77-degree seat tube and you're going to have a seat in your stomach and a pretty bad time.
The floating rear brake system seems to work well in isolating from the rear suspension, and I didn't experience any negative braking tendencies or loss of traction when shutting things down in rough terrain.
The bike likes to jump around and is effortless to get into the air. Bumping off of roots and rocks to double up and link sections of trail is as easy as could be and the short reach certainly doesn't hurt in those situations.
The Haste really shines when it's pointed downhill - as it should, given that it has 160 millimeters of travel on tap. It doesn't come alive immediately, though. It rewards a more aggressive riding style and feels best when it's really pushed into obstacles and corners. It sits up higher in its travel than, say, a Santa Cruz Nomad, but it offers plenty of traction in roots and rocks. Again, the short reach and awkward geometry incited a bit of initial trepidation, but once I opened it up, the Haste delivered a magic carpet ride. The bike smoothed out the rough and felt glued to the ground.
One upside to the laid back seat angle is the fact that it's easier to get it out of the way than a bike with a steeper angle. I could descend on the Haste without fully slamming the seat down. Try to do that on a bike with a 77-degree seat tube and you're going to have a seat in your stomach and a pretty bad time.
The floating rear brake system seems to work well in isolating from the rear suspension, and I didn't experience any negative braking tendencies or loss of traction when shutting things down in rough terrain.
The bike likes to jump around and is effortless to get into the air. Bumping off of roots and rocks to double up and link sections of trail is as easy as could be and the short reach certainly doesn't hurt in those situations.
Eminent Haste
Santa Cruz Nomad
How does it compare?
The Santa Cruz Nomad's rear suspension feels a little more supple, sinking farther into its travel on the climbs where the Haste likes to sit up more. The Haste feels lighter and rides over the top of obstructions in the trail, while the Nomad likes to do a bit more plowing and soaking things up. On the descents, the Nomad is ready to take on any obstacle no matter the speed, where Haste seems to handle the hits better at higher speeds. Once those speeds are achieved, the Haste stays light and smooth, and rides a little higher in its travel than the Nomad.
Price wise, the Haste is a good value as it's spec'd. The one here comes close to the Nomad's carbon C S build, but with a few nicer components here and there. It's good to see the guys at Eminent offer a build with something different than the standard big brand components - the Cane Creek suspension components are a slight deviation from the norm.
Technical Report
SRAM Drivetrain: SRAM's Eagle drivetrain has become the standard. It's reliable and offers a huge range of gearing. Although its narrow-wide chainring rarely drops a chain, adding on the MRP chain guide is a big upgrade for aggressive riding.
SRAM Guide RS Brakes: When set up properly, I do like SRAM's Guide family of brakes when they're in the appropriate setting. The 160mm rotor in the back is underwhelming and Codes would be more appropriate but, the Guides still do an excellent job on this bike.
Fox Transfer Seatpost: Fox's Transfer dropper is a solid all-round choice these days. I'm not a fan of the external routing, but even so, it's a clean look and until wireless posts are perfected, the best option for this bike.
Cane Creek Helm Fork and DB Air Shock: Cane Creek's suspension has had its ups and downs, but the DB air shock has always been a quality product in my experience. It offers a ton of adjustability and helps keep the back of the bike glued to the ground. The Helm fork is consistent and reliable, but has to be ridden hard to get the most out of it. There's a lot of compression damping, no matter which way you turn the knobs, and while that is great if you ride hard or are a heavier rider, lighter weight riders and those who pick through terrain over smashing into it may find it a little bit harsh.
SRAM Drivetrain: SRAM's Eagle drivetrain has become the standard. It's reliable and offers a huge range of gearing. Although its narrow-wide chainring rarely drops a chain, adding on the MRP chain guide is a big upgrade for aggressive riding.
SRAM Guide RS Brakes: When set up properly, I do like SRAM's Guide family of brakes when they're in the appropriate setting. The 160mm rotor in the back is underwhelming and Codes would be more appropriate but, the Guides still do an excellent job on this bike.
Fox Transfer Seatpost: Fox's Transfer dropper is a solid all-round choice these days. I'm not a fan of the external routing, but even so, it's a clean look and until wireless posts are perfected, the best option for this bike.
Cane Creek Helm Fork and DB Air Shock: Cane Creek's suspension has had its ups and downs, but the DB air shock has always been a quality product in my experience. It offers a ton of adjustability and helps keep the back of the bike glued to the ground. The Helm fork is consistent and reliable, but has to be ridden hard to get the most out of it. There's a lot of compression damping, no matter which way you turn the knobs, and while that is great if you ride hard or are a heavier rider, lighter weight riders and those who pick through terrain over smashing into it may find it a little bit harsh.
Pros
+ Capable descender
+ Not run-of-the-mill suspension
+ Different, outside of the box design
Cons
- Sizing can be difficult to figure out
- Slack seat tube angle
- Aesthetics seem have been a higher priority than function
Is this the bike for you?
No bike is perfect. It's all a balance of what's great and what's not so good. Eminent took a chance with their wild design and a suspension platform that's not nearly as common. If we were going to look at just the way the suspension performs, the Haste earns high marks. But, we have to factor in everything else, including the geometry and overall ride - both up and down. With it all on the table, I don't think things quite equal out.
If you think this is the bike for you, pay attention to the numbers. The slack seat tube angle, tall seat tube, and short reach give it a more "traditional" feel compared to the latest crop of all-mountain / enduro rigs.
Eminent's team is working on a 29er platform and we're all excited to see how that bike compares. With updated geometry, its suspension design may help it be a real contender.
Eminent's Response
No bike is perfect. It's all a balance of what's great and what's not so good. Eminent took a chance with their wild design and a suspension platform that's not nearly as common. If we were going to look at just the way the suspension performs, the Haste earns high marks. But, we have to factor in everything else, including the geometry and overall ride - both up and down. With it all on the table, I don't think things quite equal out.
If you think this is the bike for you, pay attention to the numbers. The slack seat tube angle, tall seat tube, and short reach give it a more "traditional" feel compared to the latest crop of all-mountain / enduro rigs.
Eminent's team is working on a 29er platform and we're all excited to see how that bike compares. With updated geometry, its suspension design may help it be a real contender.
Eminent's Response
| Eminent Cycles was created to offer a great suspension that works for both air and coil, does not require proprietary shocks, looks fantastic, and always has the ability to pedal up and go down fast. We tune our suspension to rarely bottom out (through the use of volume reducing spacers), if this setting is too firm, it is easy to swap or remove spacers for a more supple ride. Given our start as a Direct to Consumer brand our customer is our ultimate priority, so we listen to feedback and continuously strive to improve. We have updated our 2019 spec to include larger brakes and bigger front tires. As for the seatpost sizing, we offer our customers the opportunity to select different length seatposts to further ensure a good fit for those in between sizes as was Daniel. |
Pinkbike's Take
| The Haste's unique suspension design helps it descend well, along with giving it a look that stands out from the crowd. It's always good to see new companies trying to give the established players a run for their money, but in this case the Haste's performance is hampered by its geometry, especially compared to other bikes in the same category. |
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I actually like the slacker seat tube angle. It is a bit of a compromise these days with most brands taking the side of those who prefer to climb seated. That requires a steep seat tube angle when the saddle is up to XC height. For standing riding and especially when descending, I'd actually prefer a slacker seat tube making it easier to push the saddle sideways with my knees whenever I feel like. Ideally I'd say you get a seatpost with a lot of setback and a very steep (or near vertical) seat tube. That will give you the best saddle position both with the saddle high as well as low. As it is now (and especially with dropper seatposts) setback is limited and it seems most bike manufacturers choose to go with the steep seat tube to favour those who climb seated. So with that part of the audience catered for, it is always good to see a company produce slacker seattubes for whoever prefers those for descending.
Other than that, it seems like there is a 12mm difference in chainstay lengths between the Pinkbike table and the geometry table. 442mm appears long but it is far from the longest out there. In relation to the front center then yeah probably. But if Daniel can still ride the bike just fine then it is probably good enough.
I really wanted to like this bike but I just don't. Looking forward to seeing some updates from these folks because there is some potential there.
I guess the statement "good enough" is interpreted differently. For me it is relative. For a certain price, I expect a certain level of performance. If it meets that, it is good enough. If it exceeds it then sure that is great. But there is no reason to require something to be better than "good enough". That is (in this context), require that it is better than what is to be expected for the price.
My neighbor is an ice speed skater (he's Frysian, so he has to) and he recently got himself a mountainbike too. I got him my old platform pedals and last weekend showed him some riding nearby. First a session on the local pumptrack to get a feel for how the bike moves underneath him, only then moved onto the other trails. For those two hours, he kept his saddle low and I don't think I saw him do any seated pedaling. Being a skater he's used to squat low and apply power for a good while.
So yeah, standing climbing may bring some extra technical challenges but physically I think it is a matter of adaptation. I do have to say that the longer reach of my current frame of my old bike (460mm vs something like 375mm) makes a huge difference too. The short reach forced me to lean backwards on the climbs for my kneepads to clear the handlebar. On my current bike, I can put my body in a much better position.
Still don't get it
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There are two green lines near the seat tube. One is in line with the actual seattube, the other goes through the bottom bracket and crosses the horizontal line that also crosses the top of the headtube. The first line of the actual seattube is a bit slacker than the other line commonly called the effective seattube. The actual seattube also goes in front of the bottom bracket. As you can see when the saddle is raised higher than the top tube, the saddle actually moves behind the effective seat tube. This is what you and quite a few other Pinkbike readers have issues with. My issue is that when the seat is slammed, it goes in front of the effective seat tube. And unless you're going to extend the seatpost over 400mm (approx.) out of the seattube for the XXL or over 300mm for the S model, the amount it goes behind the effective seattube will be less than the amount it goes in front when the seat is slammed. Is it a problem for me? No, because I don't buy those bikes. My initial post here was just that I appreciate that they make a slack seattube, I think it is a good idea. Not for everyone, but those for whom it isn't a good idea have plenty of other options available.
So yeah, it is going to take some systems engineering. Big wheels and short chainstays in my view would require a steep seattube and a seatpost with a lot of setback. A dropper seatpost with a lot of setback will require a larger seatpost diameter for it to be reliable. Which requires a larger diameter seatpost. On a hardtail that would affect the feel of the bike. On a full susser it is likely to cause issues with the room required for the suspension linkage. A not-round (like oval or rectangular) seatpost could sort that but obviously that is going to be horrible to produce reliably and accurately, let alone keep working nicely under load and adverse conditions. It is likely to jam. Then again this would only be an issue when there is a link that has to move around the seattube. When the shock passes low through the seattube (like the newer Santa Cruz bikes) or just stays behind it (like Propain does), they could probably increase seattube diameter without issues.
Another and much easier solution would obviously be to just stick with the smaller wheel in the rear. Enough clearance even with a traditional seattube straight towards the bb.
The only thing I dislike about the bike is
the external dropper post routing. With that being the case I can't run my favorite dropper post.
Have to look long and hard to find a bad thing said about the revive.
These stories of people starting companies because they wanted to make a thing that does X, Y or Z when there are already many of those things on the market that do X, Y or Z seem way too frequent.
And then not be able to use an internally routed dropper (Bike Yoke 185 Revive....best dropper I've personally ever used to date) much less fit it in that tall seat tube..... as much as I love to see new bike companies try to make their way, I really can't believe all the time and money put into something that seems in many important aspects already dated.
aaaah.... erm... [sucks teeth]
But when you point this downhill, it is very linear. Like so linear you need max tokens and high speed compression still on an air shock to make it feel right. Yes, you would bottom out with a coil shock. This bike was designed around San Diego trails where the sketchiest trail is Ted Williams. So more techs descends and less huck to flat.
Another fault is the sizing of the frame. So I normally stick with 440mm reach as that is what my nomad is. But sitting on the bike, it was uncomfortable. Like I had to go all the way to their version of a XL just so it didn’t feel like my knees were touching the handle bars.
The company is run by two guys Jeff and Paul. Jeff has a lot of hubris while Paul sees the bigger picture. And honestly, kinematically this bike would be perfect under a DH platform. But not a enduro. They need to change some geometry.
Do they want people to run 100mm droppers on a 160mm travel bike?
That'll make ORAMM heckling even more interesting this year!
Also creaky fork crowns are ace.
Buy now for only 899$ (or more)
CC and Öhlins both f*cked up because they teamed with Specialized and got their bad reputation (broken shafts on the CC on the Demo) because Specialized well tought out rear triangle and yoke (sarcasm) directly transferred side movements onto the shock- so Air shocks popped and coil shocks broke.
Just look at the old enduros- the whole air shaft was directly (!) mounted onto the yoke- thats nuts.
Yes the Inline had it flaws but now it works extremely well.
My both CCDB Air and Coil both worked flawlessly (way better than my Monarch Plus)
Yaaaa, them and just about every other bike company out there too...
And pay attention because the way and trap they use to copy it, is very similar to the one used by mondraker to copy VPPs (which are already a copy)
in short, nothing new.
It is doubtful that Eminent arrived at these numbers by ignorance. Props to them for making something different in many ways. For the haters, check yourself to see if you're also spraying at those who follow trends. The hypocrisy is thick.
1) First ride pic: Devil's Staircase/Bennett?
2) Second ride pic: Up to Black from Clawhammer?
3) Third ride pic: Hmm, I'm guessing either Sycamore or Laurel?
4) Fourth ride pic: Pilot Rock?
2) Wrong county
3) Still guessing wrong
4) Negative
I'm not going to be able to have you on my WNC trail trivia team after this but you should go ride Heartbreak and Star Gap, they're great right now.
Nerds, get to work.
Or is doing XC loops on 160mm bikes now en vogue?
Back in the day when I road bike raced we would use top tube length and seat angle to figure out how long a bike actually was. This actually worked because all bikes had flat top tube and straight seat tubes. With a modern Mt. bike you have to make a lot of assumptions or physically measure the bike. So reach numbers are great.
Reach/ Stack and CS lenght are Most important IMO.
~~The Haste feels lighter and rides over the top of obstructions in the trail, while the Nomad likes to do a bit more plowing and soaking things up. On the descents, the Nomad is ready to take on any obstacle no matter the speed, where Haste seems to handle the hits better at higher speeds.~~