Descending I spent a lot of time riding the G1 as fast as I could through tight and fast turns to figure out the difference in handling between the full 29" and mullet setup. With either rear wheel, the G1 was remarkably agile in the turns if ridden aggressively. That wheel flop due to the slack head angle means the steering "wants" to tip into the turns, while the low bottom bracket helps it to lean in and out of the corners more quickly. After getting used to the bike I was able to really push on, hitting familiar alternating berms harder than I had before. When pushing into these short, sharp turns there was plenty of support to push against, but with the fast rebound tune the bike would almost jump from one turn to the next. It's not uncontrolled, but there's definitely a springy feel when pushing off short berms.
The long front-center means you can't be shy about getting your weight over the front, otherwise the front wheel is too lightly loaded and won't grip well. This makes the G1 hard to handle if you ride it timidly or hang off the back. But bend your elbows and get your weight forwards and it will reward you with lots of grip and stability, particularly in rough, rutted or steep turns. In an ideal world, you'd want a 50:50 weight distribution between the wheels, and the long front-center means you have to put more weight on your hands to achieve this. But with your weight halfway between the axles, there's more room in front of you with a longer bike, which means the bike pitches and "trips up" less when braking or hitting bumps, and the slack head angle and high trail figure mean the front never tries to tuck or jackknife. For me this makes it easier to "trust in the front," which means I stay tall and centered on the bike when things get steep and gnarly, resulting in better front-end grip than a shorter bike, where I'm more likely to hang off the back.
On the other hand, when I was having an off day, riding tight or timid, the XL G1 can be a handful. This is why some riders at my height might want to size down to a Large, and if I was considering buying a G1, I'd arrange to try both sizes on the same day.
While cornering takes some getting used to, it's when trucking over rough terrain where the G1 is in its element. The rougher, the more hectic, the better. Small bump sensitivity is superb, so the bike takes the sting out of all the small chatter and sticks the wheels to the floor. And when the rear wheel is unweighted, for example when braking or on the backside of bumps, the extra room to extend on rebound allows it to stay in contact with the ground better, which helps to maintain control.
While I've never back-to-back tested spherical bearings against normal bushings, when hammering through a pinball rock section I've ridden countless times, the bike as a whole works so well I could be persuaded they were doing their job. The extra weight of the frame no doubt helps a little in these situations too, as anyone who's ridden an e-bike will know.
The setup Chris suggested with the slightly softer 450lb/in spring and firmer HSC is all about traction and support, but less about comfort. Inevitably, when hitting square-edge hits it sometimes transmits a bit more feedback than you might get from typical digressive compression tunes with less high-speed compression. This seems like a small price to pay though. Despite the firmer high-speed damping and bottom-out circuit, I still I found the bottom of the travel a few times, but not harshly.
The MORC 36 fork wasn't quite as impressive. When setup with enough negative pressure to make it nice and soft off the top, it's only serving up around 150mm of travel. I did try using less pressure in the negative to get it to sit a bit higher, but this ruined the linear feel which is at odds with the rear end. After increasing pressures in both chambers and speeding up the rebound on Chris' recommendation, the fork provided good support and traction, but with the RC2 damper and firm mid-end travel feel it isn't exactly comfortable or forgiving for long descents, particularly when compared to the 170-180mm travel forks I'm used to. But, as with the bike as a whole, if you ride it hard it makes more sense. The fast rebound helps it deal with high frequency bumps without bogging down at all.
The low sagged BB height and long wheelbase make it pretty easy to sump out the chainring on steep rock steps, so a little more care is required on awkward terrain. Clipping pedals is easily done too, so the G1 prefers carving corners and carrying speed over squaring them off and snatching pedal strokes in between.
And while the attention to detail as far as suspension performance is second to none, it's not as refined in some other ways. Despite the coil negative spring, the lack of an elastomer top-out bumper means that, especially if you ride clipped-in, it tops-out with a clunk when hopping over big obstacles like tree stumps. And when rattling over rough terrain there is more chain noise than most modern bikes, even with the derailleur's clutch on.
Mainly as on the climbs you just focus on pedalling. Not pedal, route, wandering front wheels, etc etc
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I guess saying, "like trying to yank a f*cking hippo around a corner" isn't as polite.
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Can we also see just how short Sebs Femurs are?
So what?
Go pass a 15 pound medicine ball between your hands while in a plank position and then do it again but a plank position from your knees and let me know which one was easier.
Agree 100% with the need to ride it hard, its not a cruising around kinda bike, hanging off the back in proper trails leads to bad outcomes
I went to Geometron HQ for the custom fit, and it's mindblowing how much of a difference it made in terms of shock setup to virtually eliminate bobbing when pedalling with the climb switch off, handlebar height, brake angle, BB height, fork setup.
Love my G1, best bike I've had to date.
Definitely agree tho, it doesn't snap around corners like other bikes; it does charge around them tho.
(I spent pretty much the entire demo ride sliding around on wet leaves wondering why I was still upright. I put the order in soon after.)
I will second the demo service as well - I tried mine set up as a 29er and mullet and the two ride very differently. It's well worth the trip to get it set up properly. It's a bike that isn't for everyone, so it's worth a try to see if it suits you when set up for your riding style.
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Turns like a 747 taxing down LAX
Manualing is like doing a 500lb deadlift
You want a bike that manuals easy, get something with short chainstays and a short front center. This isn't a secret to anyone.
Also, with regard to the weight, Nicolai/Geometron is not shy about that. This bike is intentionally built like a brick shithouse. That is a plus for some people, especially those who know they could save 10-20lbs going uphill by drinking less beers after the ride and in general.
But it sucks at skinnies, wheelie drops, and an XXL is too long for most bike racks without some jerry-rigging. So there is that.
Drinking less beers in general: I admit: sometimes I replace beer with wine.
The Downtube of the G1 is from the g19
More bike = more cake = more biking = more fun.
Nicolai and mojo have been in front of everyone for years.
guaranteed better feel, sensitivity and life on those
37lbs with a dual crown fork? whats the problem here, thats the weight of most carbon enduro build
perfectly fine weight for a proper AL frame with cnc all over and fully customizable.
every bike should have chainstay adjustability to balance with the front
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If you want a bike move....just look at your dirtbike. Motocross figured this out years ago.
It's the mtb designers / manufacturers that has hasnt had the budgets (or incentive) to go through huge redesigns. A milimeter here and a millimeter there bikes havent changed much. Again, look at your dirtbike. those things haul ass.
its just that bikes like this (read: geometron, pole, privateer, whatever is considered to have "extreme geometry" and make extreme claims of performance) are so often tested in isolation which can be frustrating. Pinkbike tested the stamina 140 in that group test was brilliant, more of that! i just want to see bikes like this demystified
same thing happens in cars, apparently koenigsegg won't let the press use a car if its going to be part of a group test.
It's not requiring you to put all your weight on the front. You still predominantly weight your feet, but if you're dropping into a switchback you can't be scared and lean back - you need to commit and keep your weight central (a bit like skiing). I found that, for me as a 6'3 chap coming off a shorter and steeper bike, it very much feels that you're riding 'in' the bike, and that you have a very good feeling as to where the grip is front and rear. Drifts are gradual rather than sudden, and you can easily move your weight back or forward to control the grip. You have quite a large window of control and you can feel it intuitively. Obviously there's a combination of factors involved in achieving that, but I think the main one is the length and low bb. Hope that makes sense...
Where it isn't so good is mellow grippy trails (trail centres) as it's a bit overkill. Depends on your local riding to decide if it suits you...
It is more fun the more actively/hard you ride it though!
I tried 30mm and went back to 25/28mm, makes the bike more precise and responsive.
Of course your preferred tyre width also makes a huge difference, I tend to run 2.6" tyres but if I were on 2.3" then a narrower rim might be better suited. I used to run Magic Mary 2.35" on 21mm rims and never thought twice about it and they sized up to around 2.5"
Nicolai offers spherical bearings on all Storia-equipped G1.
Geometron does offer custom tuning, but in speaking with Chris, he told me the vast majority of Storia-equipped G1’s leave Geometron with the custom tune he helped develop with EXT, which is the same as the custom tune you get on a Storia purchased w/ a G1. This is because the custom tune works for most riders, and only if you’re outside normal parameters by quite a bit, he/they encourage you to try the tune first, and report back with issues.
I’m not sure how PUSH is doing it, but they are supposedly doing spherical bearings as well.
I find seat tube length to be a much more important factor which is why I have the L frame with an S seat tube length of 415mm.
Yeaah, long ST on larger frames has been a bizarre anomaly until recent years. A lingering hangover from the road bike geometries of 80s-90s MTBs. So you can now have a good looking L or XL frame.
I think this goes a long way to explaining why EWS racers run short bikes. Because they only get one practice run, they are going to have to ride more 'reactively' than 'proactively', whereas someone racing downhill, or someone riding their local trails, will be able ride a longer, slacker bike faster because they know all the set up lines and have to make fewer quick adjustments on the fly.
@sebstott I'd be curious on your thoughts about this having tested a lot of long bikes over the years.
I think it's one of those things that were repeated enough to become "internet truth"
This article explains it pretty well.
enduro-mtb.com/en/enduro-race-bike-mtb-review
- tiny sample size
- they only tested on one trail
Someone in a similar discussion here a few weeks ago actually shared a spreadsheet with a good sample of pro riders and frame sizes. It was pretty obvious that they are all over the place.
The “one trail” they tested on is an actual EWS course AND they took the best 3 out of 5 runs AND their testers are actual EWS racers. Additionally, the article actually names EWS racers and why they run small bikes and handlebars.
Also, the testing was conducted, as far as I know, but the Enduro-mtb team. Some ews teams actually sent them the bike's, others were just "replicas" of the actual ones
Looks like the 38 is a better option in any case, cool concept though.
I built my XL up to 16.6 without pedals (but incl. cush core front and back, EXO tires and Fox38, XO cassette, Newmen alu wheels).
I run it as my only bike, with lighter wheels and tyres for all round use and downhill hoops for the rough. Naturally it’s superb on the rough, steep stuff as expected but the bike amazes me with how good it is at climbing and how comfortable and efficient it is to ride for such a big bike even on everyday use and gravel path rides etc - all the stuff I originally thought it would be crap at. Just my take anyway but would recommend a test ride, Geometron guys are super knowledgeable and offer top notch service.
Then last year I moved to North Wales right by DYFI bike park! The terrain and speeds up here dissolve bikes with 475 reach and 150 travel . When descending at 40 miles per hour and hitting huge drops and step downs into fast high berms a long travel, long reach stable bike is the choice of weapon .
It’s this reason the other manufacturers are catching up, the trails and bike parks are getting faster and faster . The higher the speed the longer and slacker the bike needs to be, exactly why your MX bike is really big !
The speeds in the sport are much higher now than they used to be .
Carbon everything and you can get the bike down to 32lbs, so mine don’t really feel like pigs IMO
They had that fork almost a year now.
Does weight matter some? Sure! But does it matter as much as we’ve been conditioned to think it does? Nah, bro. Clearly there are non-weight advantages to carbon, but I’m not so sure that carbon is the pinnacle of frame materials, at least at this point. Agree, it’s much more about ride quality, durability, strength, and flexibility, than it is about saving all the grams. I hate twitchy bikes.
I can't say my XO cranks perform better than my GX cranks.
My G1 one is the best climbing bike I ever had (I can compare it to the Yeti SB150 and 130), despite being 3kg heavier. A set of light wheels and different rubber are enjoyable.
So diamond bike frames are going to stay forever. If humanity dies and a new species rules the world - a new diamond frame will be invented - just because it is natural and the best way to do it.
This bike is is fun, for sure. But it wasn‘t build to stay forever …
I also found the rear of the bike outclassed the 160mm selva r it came with but a custom tuned 180mm 38 was a much better match. I,m running around 25% sag in the rear.
Absolutely love my G1, it’s so comfy on long trail rides as well as being super capable.
I do keep wondering about a 180mm ohlins dh38 though.....
I really question the ultra-sensitive, custom coil shock, spherical bearings, self-sagging rear suspension ——— mated to an air fork. In my experience, even an ordinary air shock on ordinary bushings makes for rear suspension that feels WAY more active than a matched air fork, because of the inherent added seal drag on the fork, not to mention the telescoping bushings.
Also a test with a more suitable 2.35/2.4 rear tyre to suit the fitted 471 rim rather than a fat bike tyre.
The G1 suits a smaller rear tyre or sure, that's the way MrPorter rides it (with 27.5 x 2.35 rear) and who's to say he is wrong ;~}
Ideally it would be great to know how Seb feels once he has had a bit more time to get used to the bike [in one configuration]. I never cease to be amazed at how testers can switch from their own bike to test bikes and adapt so quickly as to not still favour the one they are used to riding most days.
Also a test with a more suitable 2.35 / 2.4 rear tyre to suit the fitted 471 rim rather than a fat e-bike tyre.
The G1 suits a narrower rear tyre for sure, that's the way MrPorter rides it (with 27.5 x 2.35 rear) and who's to say the guru of long, slack, low is wrong ;~}
Ideally it would also be great to know how Seb feels once he has had a bit more time to get used to the bike [in one configuration].
Respect due as I never cease to be amazed at how testers can switch from their own bike to test bikes and adapt so quickly as to not still favour the one they are used to riding most days.
To me this bike is for racing enduro or self shuttling dh runs only. And for that purpose, it’s an excellent choice. As a trail bike or for riding around everyday, not so much.
It’s not so much that I care about the climbing, as the review never really identifies what type of riding this bike is intended for.
New/ uninformed riders reading this review will think this is a regular type of mountain bike. It’s not.
If you ride this bike on regular trails, it will feel like you’re “road biking” on dirt. It will mute the majority of rocks and roots.
If huge gap jumps and crazy steep downhill is your jam, this bike is awesome. However the review tried to paint this bike as a heavier do-it -all bike, which I do not agree with.
P.s. for the record, my 160mm fork bike weighs 30lbs and my 200mm dh bike weighs 1 pound more than the G1.
I do have a 2nd bike now "for around the house" that is more nimble. But I am still not convinced it was necessary and I miss my G1 every time :-)
I have not ridden one. It’s the exact opposite of what I want in an everyday bike:
I like my wheel bases to be short, my head angles to be closer to 65, super steep seat angles are awful for rolling terrain or flat trail sections and and having crazy amounts of travel makes the trail feel like pavement.
And I don’t like the idea of climbing with a bike that weighs almost as much as my dh bike.
Also, there is no getting around the fact that bikes with wheel bases this long simply will never be good at tight turns or switchbacks.
Your mileage may vary.
Noooo man this is prototype spherical bushings!
No kidding cool stuff, I heard Ohlins did something similar.
Alabert Einstein
Oh, wait, hang on, this ISN'T an eBike?!
Also, ab Bike with a steering radius like a truck, no waterbottle mount and so custom I probably can't get spare parts when traveling and/or need specialist to work on is not my bike of the future.
I hope the future is a bike that works and not spending even more time to make the bike work. Don't get me wrong, I like to think about setup and fine tuning my Bike to my liking, but a big part of the fun about riding bikes is - well riding them. Don't get stuck in fiddling with the bike.....
The bike is over-built so spare parts are unlikely to be required but I doubt it would be any different to other direct to consumers brands, even less hassle considering nicolai is based in your country.
If you think that different bikes need specialists to work on, you obviously don't know much about bike maintenance and I'm glad bikes aren't following your vission of the industrys future.
Rulezman tested how the weight difference of a dual crown affects climb times in this video youtu.be/5LxYM8IOI3Q, and he found it was directly proportional to the weight increase like seb said.
Your going to need some more evidence and explanations to back up your claims other than "it is because I think its" because the rest of your original comment certainly doesn't help the credibility of your opinions.
And I consider a special tunes shock and fork that will only work on one bike as at least a little bit special to work on :-)
Lethes just go ride bikes and have fun :-)