Review: 2023 Giant Reign Advanced Pro 1

May 2, 2023
by Matt Beer  
When Giant switched the Reign platform from 27.5 to 29” wheels in 2020 there were a few stats that left enduro enthusiasts asking for more, primarily the amount of travel and the not-that-slack head angle. Now, the 2023 model basically operates in a different league due to aggressive geometry and appropriate suspension numbers. Add on a subdued paint scheme laid out on their well-established “Giant” silhouette and you’re hard-pressed to find a fault.

The Reign Advanced Pro 1 boasts 160mm of rear wheel travel, a sub-64-degree head tube angle, and carbon construction throughout. Giant added a downtube storage compartment under the water bottle cage mount, and the bike can accommodate a 29" or a 27.5” rear wheel.
Reign Advanced Pro 1 Details

• Advanced carbon frame and rocker link
• Travel: 160 mm / 170 mm fork
• Wheel sizes: 29" or 29/27.5"
• Downtube storage compartment
• 3-position geometry flip-chip
• 63.9-degree head tube angle
• Reach: 460mm (M-mid)
• Chainstays: 443mm
• Size: S, M, L, XL
• Weight: 32.8 lb (14.9 kg)
• Pricing: $6,800 USD
giant-bicycle.com

Since our First Look, Giant Offroad Factory Team rider Luke Meier Smith went on to nab the win at the opening round of the 2023 Enduro World Series.




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bigquotesGiant has evolved the 2023 Reign into a worthy enduro race bike that comes darn close to ticking all the boxes in terms of value and performance. Matt Beer





photo Tom Richards

Frame Details

Borrowing from the in-frame storage system used on the Trance and Trance X models, Giant transferred the principal over to the Reign. A small compartment is accessed by turning a dial 90 degrees. The water bottle mounts to the door and is guarded by a rubber trim.

Throughout the test, there were no rattles, even with a pump added under the cage. However, the opening itself is quite small. Fitting even the lightest windbreaker in there is next to impossible and there’s no way you’d fit a pump in there - it's best left for emergency supplies.

Moving on, a second strong talking point on the Reign Advanced frame is the carbon link that nests a three-position flip-chip in the seatstay pivot. In order to use a 27.5” wheel, you’ll need to use the highest position, which nearly reinstates the lowest setting of the full 29er.

Giant still opts for the 92mm-wide press fit BB and two-bolt seat clamp, but the rear triangle is up to date with compatibility for SRAM’s UDH standard. Throughout the rest of the frame, there’s no shortage of rubber protectors along the downtube and chainstay. Most of the pivot bolts have the torque spec and rotation direction listed on them, which is always handy.

photo Tom Richards
photo Tom Richards
During the test, I ran into a user error with the storage compartment. I placed a multi-tool in the provided neoprene sock, which reduces rattling noises, only to find that it slid to the bottom of the downtube during the ride. Then it snagged the zip ties used to cinch the cable housing in place and made for a tedious extraction.




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Geometry & Sizing

As you would expect from one of the largest players in the game, Giant didn’t stretch too far from the current crop of enduro bikes when laying out the Reign’s geometry, and that’s totally fine. They hit their mark by landing on the slightly aggressive side with a head tube angle that goes from 64.2 down to 63.5 in the slackest setting.

The seat tube angles also don’t fall below 78.3 degrees in the slackest setting on the size medium either. Using the flip-chip will alter the angles by about 0.4 degrees in either direction and also swing the reach 4mm in either direction.

The reach numbers are also spread out evenly from 430 on the size small, all the way up to 510mm on the XL frame. Of course, adjusting the angles will add or subtract 4mm of reach in either direction.

Riders on either end of the size spectrum might point out that the chainstays aren’t tailored per size; they measure 443mm on all sizes.


photo Tom Richards

Suspension Design

Giant’s Maestro suspension design uses a fixed rear triangle that is connected by two short links that rotate in the same direction. That system produces a leverage rate that works well with either a coil or air shock. For reference, the high-end Reign Advanced Pro 0 is equipped with a Fox DHX2.

A 205x62.5mm Trunnion mount shock handles the 160mm of rear wheel travel. On the aluminum Reign SX, that stroke length is increased by 2.5mm to boost the rear travel to 165mm.

Like most Giant Maestro bikes, the lower shock mount doesn’t use any reducers. Instead, the forward pivot on the lower link slides straight through the shock, making coil spring changes or shock swaps less of a hassle.




Specifications
Release Date 2023
Price $6800
Travel 160
Rear Shock Fox Float X2 Performance
Fork Fox 38 Performance Elite, 170mm, GRIP 2
Cassette SRAM GX XG-1275 Eagle, 10x52
Crankarms SRAM GX 170mm, w/32T, 55mm
Bottom Bracket SRAM DUB PF
Rear Derailleur SRAM GX Eagle 12 spd
Chain SRAM GX Eagle 12 spd
Shifter Pods SRAM GX Eagle 12 spd
Handlebar Giant Contact SLR TR35, 800x35mm, 20mm rise
Stem Giant Contact SL 35 40mm
Grips Giant Tactal Pro Single
Brakes Shimano SLX BL-M7100, 220/200
Wheelset Giant TRX 2 29 Carbon, 30mm
Tires Maxxis Assegai 29x2.5 3C MaxxTerra EXO+, Minion DHR II 29x2.4, 3C MaxxTerra DD
Seat Giant Romero SL
Seatpost TranzX travel-adjustable dropper



photo Tom Richards

photo Tom Richards


There isn’t much that Giant has left off the table here for the $6,800 price tag of the Reign Advanced Pro 1. You get a carbon frame, wheels, bar, and a Grip2 damper in the Fox 38 fork. Left off of the spec list are proprietary shocks, headsets, or integrated seat posts. Yes, the carbon parts are “house” branded, but they stacked up fairly well for the punishment they went through.

Finer details that stand out to me are the inclusion of an MRP chainguide, a 220mm front rotor, and the Fox Float X2 Performance shock. It’s not the Elite version, but it performed adequately.

The Giant Romero SL saddle and Tactal Pro grips, like all touch points, are a personal preference that I felt neutral on.

Otherwise, standard equipment like a SRAM GX drivetrain, Shimano SLX brakes, Maxxis tires, and a 170mm TransX dropper post round out the parts package.




Test Bike Setup

I often find myself caught between a medium and large size bike, but according Giant’s fit chart I land close to the middle of a medium frame, which has a 460mm reach and 1245mm wheelbase.

Since most of the parts are commonly found on these styles of long travel bikes, dialling in the suspension and fit only took a couple of rides. Part of that may be due to the fact that the rear shock only has the low speed compression and rebound adjusters. I came to terms with the setup quickly, only varying the sag between 28-30% based on the riding location. Sometimes less is more.

The build comes with a 20mm rise Giant Contact SLR bar that I used for a few initial rides. Since I couldn’t move the stem far enough up the steer tube, I swapped that out for a 35mm rise bar trimmed to 770mm.

I also spent a serious chunk of time in all three geometry settings, including the highest chip position which works with, but not exclusively to, a 27.5” rear wheel.
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Matt Beer
Location: Squamish, BC, Canada
Age: 36
Height: 5'10" / 178 cm
Weight: 170 lb / 77 kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @mattb33r


photo Tom Richards

Climbing

Weight doesn’t matter right? Well, when you have to pedal uphill all day in an enduro race, it certainly doesn’t hurt to have a lighter bike. The Reign comes in at a reasonable number; 14.9 kg (32.8 lb) for the stock build, with dual 29” wheels.

Other factors, like the riding position, also add to the Reign’s climbing abilities. That lower front end matches well with a steep seat angle to provide a less cramped cockpit than the slack head and steep seat tube angles would have led me to believe from looking at the geometry chart. I never found the head angle to pose any misguided steering on steep climbs or tight switchbacks.

In the lowest bottom bracket setting, with the dual 29” wheels, pedal strikes weren’t overly common, however, the BB drop is getting down there at 35mm below the axles. Although the geometry numbers are nearly identical between the 29" and mixed-wheel setup, I found the mixed wheels more challenging to climb with than the full 29er.

While plodding along flat singletrack there is a solid amount of support from the suspension that doesn’t dive when you need to power through short tech uphills. The climb switch on the Float X2 is within arm's reach and was regularly used in those two low settings, although I’d only need to resort to that for road commutes or smooth climb trails. Compared to RockShox’s new Super Deluxe or Cane Creek’s Kitsuma Coil, it’s not nearly as locked off.




photo Tom Richards

Descending

Digging into bikes with flaws poses less of a challenge for our tech editors compared to a straightforward bike that does a bang-on job. I’d be doing the Reign injustice if I said it’s boring, but it is very “Giant”. There are no kooky kinematics or revolutionary construction methods. The build is also laced with weight-saving carbon parts and quality suspension at an acceptable price point.

I’d put the Reign up there for being one of the most composed and well-balanced enduro bikes I’ve ridden lately. It offers a ride that reacts quickly in tighter sections of trail and doesn’t wince when you open up the brakes. The Reign feels low, compact, and light on the trail which gives the rider a planted ride that still has plenty of get-up-and-go.

On one hand, it’s not a plow, nor is it nervous when you start to give it the beans. A 63.5-degree head angle lets you attack steeper tracks. If needed, you can adapt the geometry for a quicker response in flatter territory by bumping the flip-chip down a notch.

160mm is a healthy amount of rear wheel travel for erasing those “Oh sh1t!” moments, without sapping your energy in lumpy, low speed trails either. The air shock provides solid support and bottom-out control, but given more time, I’d be curious to play with a DHX2 coil option to seek out a little more forgiveness at the top of the travel. It’s interesting to see most of Giant’s enduro racers have chosen a coil, and the top-level Pro 0 comes equipped with one.

If I were to scrutinize the Reign further, I’d say that the suspension could be more active under braking as there’s some feedback through the rear end of the bike - part of that comes from the chain slap or feedback, even though there seems to be plenty of rubber padding the stays.

Giant claims that the rear triangle on the 2023 Reign is 39% stiffer than its predecessor. I never had a chance to ride the previous version, but compared to the fleet of enduro bikes I’ve been riding over the last year, the new Reign is on the softer side. I wouldn’t call the frame noodley, but there is a generous amount of flex through the middle of the bike when you load the bike up in turns or bounce through off-camber sections.

That’s not the end of the world, though; I’d just prefer to let the wheels handle that task. Why? Well, wheels with some more lateral compliance can also offer better tracking and less deflection on off-camber sections of trail.

I can see the benefits of racing a frame for enduro stages that is less jarring and has some level of compliance factored in (I loved the Santa Cruz Megatower, but the frame gave off a ton of vibrations ) - it’s simply less taxing to hold onto for extended descents. For seriously large jumps and bike park riding, stiffness can bring control though, so that can be a personal preference.

Durability-wise though, all the pivots remained snug, no wheels were harmed, and the shock never missed a beat.

When I loosened the pivots to place the flip-chip in the high setting to run a 27.5” rear wheel, the angles felt slacker and lower than the 29er in the lowest mode. These numbers are supposed to be identical, and a quick check with my phone didn't show any massive discrepencies, but on the trail the difference was noticeable. I’d frequently stuff the pedals or skid plate into the ground and had a perceived feeling of riding over the back of the bike further.

An interesting experiment would be to move up to a size large frame and run the MX wheel setup to see if the longer wheelbase would reduce rider weight shifts, ultimately, riding higher in the travel.

In the end, I settled on the slack setting for most days riding around Squamish but would resort to the middle flip-chip If I were racing where I’d want pedal at any given moment.

photo Tom Richards




photo Tom Richards

Technical Report

Giant Contact SLR Handlebar: Giant fills out the spec sheet on their bikes with a fair number of in-house components that we might not otherwise test exclusively. I got on well with the 5x7 angles of the Contact SLR 35 when trimmed down to 770mm. At this length, the flex never felt over the top and vibration absorption remained comfortable. As mentioned, the medium bike came with a 20mm rise and I preferred a spare, higher rise bar I had in the garage.

Giant TRX 2 Wheels: Giant improved massively on the durability of the TRX wheels with the second-generation carbon rim. They were put through proper paces with a few hucks and multiple “oops” rock pings, but they didn’t miss a beat. A two-year warranty gives the consumer peace of mind too, although it'd be nice if they hopped aboard the lifetime warranty train. The hubs, on the other hand, lasted through the test, but I did experience the pawls jumping unexpectedly from time to time.

TranzX Dropper Post: TranzX posts have arrived on more than one mid-level test bike and they’ve been impressive in the past. This one in particular was stickier than others, even when the dual-bolt seat post clamp was torqued with a watchful eye. The system never failed, although it did require a helping hand to reach the max height. Finding a 170mm travel post on the medium frame was a welcomed sight though.




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Which Model is the Best Value?

For customers in the USA, there’s a large gap in the pricing between the $3,800 aluminum Reign 2 and $6,800 Reign Advanced Pro 1 because the base model carbon bike isn’t for sale in that region. Canadian and international customers have a wider selection of models, like the Reign Advanced Pro 2.

I can’t see a huge client base splurging on the Reign Advanced Pro 0 that checks out for over $12K USD, although it does have an assortment of electronic fixings.

If I were adamant about going the carbon frame route, I’d go for the Pro 1 for the increased suspension adjustment and performance gains. Giant also backs all of the composite frames and components with a two-year limited warranty, including the rims.




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Giant Reign Advanced 1
Transition Patrol Carbon - Bellingham Field Test Photo Dave Trumpore
Transition Patrol Carbon

How Does It Compare?

What’s another agile and lightweight 160 enduro bike that competes closely with the Reign in terms of performance at a similar price point? Transition’s Patrol Carbon that we tested back in June of 2022 during our Enduro Bike Field Test was a riot to ride and stacks up with its slack head angle, rear wheel travel, and frame qualities.

Both enduro rigs are built on impressively light carbon frames, but neither was the most supple off the top of the travel, or the stiffest under high g-forces. I’d give each one a point there, with the Reign taking the edge off square edge hits better and the Transition feeling stronger underneath you.

The Reign also offers more frame features, like a third flip-chip position and downtube storage area. The wheel sizing on the Patrol is also limited to a 27.5” rear wheel, whereas the Reign can technically accommodate either large or small.

Where the Patrol wins out is on steeper trails, even with a shorter travel 160mm fork. The setup performs best when the rear shock runs on the softer side, giving a greater sense of standing in the bike - keeping in mind, we tested a size large Patrol and medium Reign. For reference, the reach/stack numbers read 475/632 and 460/629mm, respectively.

Lining up the spec sheets, it’s a closely fought battle with barely $100 USD separating the builds. A few of the components are even the same, like the Fox 38 Performance Elite fork and SRAM GX Eagle drivetrain. On the plus side for the Reign, the Advanced 1 Pro build comes with TRX2 carbon wheels and a Fox Float X2 rear shock, versus the alloy Race Face Aeffect R rims and Float X shock.




photo Tom Richards

Pros

+ Suspension design doesn’t pigeonhole it into one riding style
+ Versatile geometry changes suit varied terrain
+ Very well spec'd for the price

Cons

- Frame stiffness might not meet expectations for hard-charging riders
- 27.5” rear wheel setting seemed to ride lower than stated
- Downtube storage opening is narrow



Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesGiant has brought the Reign back up to scratch as a proper enduro race bike with updated, aggressive geometry and adequate rear wheel travel. Knocking the performance to value ratio in the Pro 1 build is a tough job.

There isn’t really any one particular place where the Reign shines because it’s well-balanced across all types of trails, which is what makes a superb enduro race bike. If I had to nit-pick the smallest details, I'd prefer a stiffer chassis and add chain damping devices to take my mind off of the feedback through the rear triangle.
Matt Beer






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289 Comments
  • 278 6
 No headset routing, thanks Giant!
  • 163 1
 one of the few times where Giant's reputation for being slow to adopt new industry trends is a HUGE positive. Don't change Giant
  • 25 8
 They just lucked out on this one. They’re usually just behind on design. When it’s time to redesign this bike, the industry will have moved on from headset cable routing, possibly saving Giant from embarrassment. Either that, or in three years we will all be like, “Why did they design a bike with headset routing? No one’s doing that anymore.”
  • 2 0
 Has this one already been crashed?
  • 31 25
 Pressfit BB though…
  • 18 44
flag nickfranko (May 2, 2023 at 10:10) (Below Threshold)
 Too bad it’s ruined with a $6,800 pricetag with a terrible dropper, GX drivetrain, and SLX brakes.

I would expect that to be the equipment on a bike at half this price. And a TranzX dropper? Seriously?!
  • 23 1
 @nickfranko: It is the all new adjustable dropper same as the PNW. Trans X makes droppers for most companies
  • 5 23
flag nickfranko (May 2, 2023 at 10:38) (Below Threshold)
 @OzarkBike: Well, that's ever so slightly better. But, even then: this is a nearly $7k bike we're talking about. This used to be $3,500-4,000 bike equipment. And the PNW and TranzX would be something I expect on a sub-$3k bike. After all, the Loam and Rainier are pretty cheap droppers
  • 6 0
 It was a Giant effort to resist I believe...
  • 12 2
 @oatkinso: They're fine now. Welcome to 2023.
  • 1 0
 Wireless hydraulic brakes next
  • 10 2
 @nickfranko: I've had all kinds of posts over the years from Fox, RS, BikeYoke, OneUp, PNW... the TranzX that came stock on my Norco Range was the smoothest, most reliable/maintenance-free, (and heaviest) post of the ~10 I've owned. I've had issues with posts from every other brand.
  • 36 1
 You're welcome!
  • 8 0
 @nickfranko: those $3,500-4,00 bikes also didn't come with carbon wheels, frames, and bars... not even close to a direct comparison. And PNW makes some damn good products, regardless of price
  • 7 0
 @nickfranko: they’re really good droppers and a good way of saving money. Easy to sort out, cheap to buy and pretty darn reliable (for a dropper), what’s not to like? Apart from the logo
  • 1 8
flag oatkinso (May 2, 2023 at 14:31) (Below Threshold)
 @pb-kg: they’ve never been fine. Welcome to eternity
  • 7 0
 @oatkinso: Yes, from the one company that's been able to produce in spec B.B. shells because they own the factories
  • 4 1
 @SATN-XC: OR they have been burned in the past by it/headset routing isnt obscure enough for them... OD2 1-1/4 steertubes, the propel cable routing wasn't headset but was terrible top tube behind stem, their shitty tektro cable to hydraulic stem brake designs....I'm sure there are more, but those were last decade and sucked.
  • 4 0
 @oatkinso: I guess you're not wrong. They're just no worse than threaded at this point.
  • 7 0
 @SATN-XC: what I like about Giant is they just chug along making decent stuff at good prices without trying to kill you with marketing hype. I haven't owned any of their mtn bikes but I would be happy to!
  • 1 0
 Should've been mentioned as a big pro
  • 1 0
 @oatkinso: thread together bb, problem solved…
  • 1 0
 @foggnm: while I do agree with the sentiment of what your saying (they just get it done). Giant has plenty of its own marketing speak like Overdrive and Powercore .
  • 1 4
 @foggnm: in general, i’d agree, but i can’t forgot their marketing when they released the 650b bikes. lots of charts proving that 650 was indisputably the best. then they changed their minds.
  • 1 0
 @pb-kg: I thought it is all the same cartridge out of Taiwan anyhow.. just under different rebranding...
  • 1 0
 @saladdodger: I'm sure it is, but the two TranzX posts I've had just seem to be better than anything else. Again, also the heaviest by kind of a lot, but that might be worth the weight.
  • 115 8
 Great to see the innovative Pinkbike price bar chart making another appearance for those of us who don't understand dollar figures!
  • 32 1
 It really helps put the prices into perspective for us slower, visual learners Big Grin
  • 88 5
 @farkinoath, it's mainly for people that don't have all of the other model prices rattling around in their head. Hopefully it makes it easier to see the range of options at a glance, and which one offers the best value. It's obviously a little more useful when there are more than three options in the lineup.
  • 4 0
 I sense some sarcasm, but it is a useful way of showing how bloody ridiculous some bike prices are.
  • 5 0
 @mikekazimer: Would also be good to include the frameset price (when available) as well in the price chart, so all their 'buying options' are in the same graphic.
  • 1 0
 @btjenki: few weeks ago in France it was already, but not again..
Anyway, 4500E for a frame?!.. well ...(
  • 1 0
 i was wondering about that..
  • 75 0
 "Most of the pivot bolts have the torque spec and rotation direction listed on them." This should be standard across the industry, along with sag gages (though I appreciate the latter is subject to patents).
  • 34 0
 this, torque spec on bolts are a godsend, saves a lot of time fishing around the internet for a torque chart
  • 5 37
flag gabriel-mission9 (May 2, 2023 at 12:49) (Below Threshold)
 Except that torque settings on bikes are largely nonsense...
  • 26 0
 @lightone: Because he goes off his own uggah duggah torque scale
  • 30 4
 @lightone: Because torque specs are a very vague and low-res way of determining clamping force at the best of times, and mtb applications are not the best of times..
Given that clamping force varies wildly for the same torque based on what (if any) lubricant is used, what bolt materials are used, whether washers are used etc, none of which are controlled for on mtb, two riders with the same product but cared for differently could have clamping forces so low that the the product slips or so high that the product fails, at the same torque reading.

Further to that, many mtb torque ratings are literally made up by whoever is printing the graphics on the product. Some carbon bar manufacturer or another (Enve I think, but I genuinely don't remember) used to print "6nm max" on the bar... They didnt even know what was being clamped to it. A stem using m4 bolts is going to produce a wildly higher clamping force at 6nm than some cheap ass stem using m6 bolts. And thats before we even consider clamp design, thread pitch, material, quality or lubricant.

Mtb torque ratings are often total nonsense.
  • 27 0
 @gabriel-mission9: interesting points. But they have to aim for some standard, some ballpark yardstick so some knuckle dragger doesn't come along and tighten a friend's carbon bars to two and a half grunts, or about 23nm.
  • 27 0
 @lightone: who needs torque specs when you just bought a pneumatic impact wrench.
  • 4 1
 That laser etching or printed on text can dissappear over time. A better solution is for manufacturers of both frames and components to have a comprehensive library of documentation. And don't delete it when the stuff is no longer made. For example, try to find torque specs of any race face products, on race faces website. Doesn't exist from what I can see. This isn't just for torque specs, but for exploded diagrams, bolt sizes etc etc.
  • 6 0
 @gabriel-mission9: I mean we are just wishing here. I wish all bolts an all bike parts listed direction and torque spec. AND I wish they were well vetted and specified condition (w grease) and accounted for the bolt material etc etc.

....How many more wishes do we get?
  • 4 0
 @gabriel-mission9: But it is about the only realistic way to control bolt make up on a bike, there's a limit to what else you could do. For my job, we do far more complex things to accurately control make-up of parts for critical equipment in the oil industry but I don't think many people working on bikes are going to have access to a hydraulic bolt tensioner or ultrasound equipment to detect the length change of the fastener. So the options are really to specify a torque (preferably with the state of lubrication specified), design for torque to yield or delta turn (not practical on small short bolts) or to make everything so chunky that it's hard to break (which actually is standard oil industry practice - no bolts on offshore equipment small enough that someone can strip them with hand tools). What would you propose instead of torque?
  • 8 3
 @gabriel-mission9: this is a pretty funny post.

Don’t listen to this person, use the recommended torque specs given to you by your frame / part manufacturer. Follow their guidelines (loctite/grease in areas required)

Torque specs are (mainly) determined by the fastener size, material and thread pitch.

When bar manufacturers state “6nm max” or whatever , that’s what they mean. If the clamp spec your looking to put on is 8nm than go to 6nm.
  • 1 0
 @Solorider13: Plus that way you can honestly say that you didn't over-torque anything if you run into warranty issues.
  • 1 0
 @Solorider13: for real, most of the torque specs are there so that we wont under or overtighten stuff and break it
  • 2 0
 @gabriel-mission9: yeah we're not putting on head gaskets here though are we. They are a decent guide, there aren't that many variables and I'm sure they have allowed for plenty of tolerance.
So do not ignore the printed torque value, just accept that they are a decent guide.
  • 4 4
 @big-red: As you allude to, torque specs in mtb are often no more than a get out of jail free card for manufacturers who want an avenue by which to refuse warranty claims, and have little to do with actual optimal clamping force. Not always, but often.

There is a depressing amount of smoke and mirrors in the mtb industry, and I have literally sat in design offices and listened to graphic designers discussing what torque specs to write on a product based on nothing more than spec numbers they have seen etched onto competitors products. This isn't aerospace, this is essentially the wild west... Printing torque specs on the product being clamped rather than the clamp itself is simply the most glaring example of the pinch of salt mtb torque suggestions should be taken with.
  • 3 3
 @gabriel-mission9: the torque specs are printed on the pivot bolts. The gram manufacturers don’t make the brake or dropper clamps (in most cases) .

I don’t understand what your trying to get at with the smoke and mirrors comment. The entire automotive industry runs on torque specs such as these. I’m glad the information is available if for nothing but to be a guide to how tight something should be whether you use a torque wrench or not
  • 2 2
 @Solorider13: I'm not sure what there is to misunderstand... Who said anything about the automotive industry, I'm talking about the mtb industry which is an entirely different environment. I've been pretty clear in my statements and all the info is there, I don't need to repeat myself.
  • 2 0
 yeah nah, I'll stick to torque wrenches so I can apply the same amount of torque on my bolts everytime, the stem analogy could make sense but we are talking about frames here, stick to your manufacturers recommendation people
  • 1 0
 @stephenzkie: word... some bike companies have it figured out though...
  • 47 4
 Nice to see a mix between SRAM and Shimano, because it's a step in the right direction. Hopefully we can start seeing smaller brands like DVO, Microshift, or Formula stocked on bikes.
  • 54 1
 would rather start seeing companies simply selling the frame sets and giving the consumer a real a la carte experience.
  • 12 0
 joe, you already forgot that DVO was oEM here before ; )
  • 5 0
 @stunnanumma1: @COMMENCALbicycles already does that
  • 40 0
 @stunnanumma1: Me too. It annoys me that frame only prices are often overhiked to deter customers because they can squeeze more profit from full builds.
  • 8 1
 @tremeer023: Gotta buy a frame on sale and have an industry friend who can get you suspension / groupset cheap.
  • 2 0
 @Lagr1980: Yea, but I'd say that's the most mainstream of the three. When I asked around my bike team, most people know about DVO, but not formula or Microshift.
  • 2 0
 @Jvhowube: I need an industry friend Frown
  • 3 0
 @tommyriddle: and the YT enduro team. Clearly companies need to make a profit, but what's going on from the consumer side is this: spend 5-8k on a bike you have never ridden because the industry is not set up to give riders a real "test drive" of multiple bikes. 90% of bike shops offer Trek, Santa Cruz, and maybe like a Cannondale or if you are lucky a Rocky Mountain or Pivot. You buy a Reeb...it's a total gamble.
  • 3 0
 @Jvhowube: it will probably be a £300 used frame from ebay or something similar. If it's good enough for Tom Isted...
  • 2 0
 @Jvhowube: sounds like you have a friend. I could use some help, you know, friend to friend
  • 3 0
 @stunnanumma1: People actually test-ride bikes still?! I thought we just pick a brand, and then become a dick about it.

Jokes aside a Reeb is the only bike I've test ridden in recent years, mostly because they were offering free demos at a small mtb festival I attended. Thing is, I don't want to pay hundreds to demo bikes I might not be interested in at all.
  • 5 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: I'd pay money to test ride that Reeb short travel steel bike, looks pretty awesome. Would also like to give that Contra bike a try as well, Deviate Claymore is on the list too, mostly some out of the box bikes.

Think of it as an experience rather than a chore. Like going to the movies, or a concert, both of which are getting up there in cost nowadays
  • 6 1
 @stunnanumma1: i've never test ridden any vehicle or bike i've purchased. I know what I want and I get it. they all ride the same-ish in 2023.
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: If it weren't for bike park tix I'm sure I'd be more willing... I've recently heard of an LBS offering $70 Levo demos... Definitely giving that a shot- gonna have a local trail "bike park" day, laps on laps! lol
  • 8 0
 @Ironchefjon: See I thought I wanted a SC Hightower LT, like cash in hand wanted it.....First time on a longish travel 29er, with aggressive geo.

decided while in the shop to demo it instead......I couldnt for the life of me figure out how to climb on that damn bike. like small movements forward or back led to either front wheel lift, or no traction at all. Super stuck to the ground on the way down, like faster than I've ever been, but be damned if I could get any fun out of it, no pop, no life, just flat and fast.

Test rode a Sentinel, smiles for days......

Stoked that you know, but I think for some theres a lot of variance out there to try out different things.
Sometimes we think we know what we want, and then something opens our eyes to different possibilities
  • 3 0
 @Jvhowube: Or just buy Microshift because it's incredible.
  • 1 0
 @stunnanumma1: Bird does exactly that. It's even possible to skip a few bits if you've got your own you'd rather use and they used to be even able to fit them for you, though I'm not sure if that's still the case

On top of that, they're awesome bikes supported with great customer service
  • 4 0
 @stunnanumma1: Yep just sell us the frame. Parts and components are ridiculously cheap at the moment and complete builds are ridiculously overpriced.
  • 1 1
 @onawalk: that has more to do with set up and fit. My LT has been one of the most fun bikes I have had. But, a few clicks, less or more air and it can be a plow bike or light poppy feeling bike. Shock choice matters too. I have never had the issues you had with your demo.

Now, on the Reeb, I took a complete gamble, based on my experience over the last several years and really knowing what I wanted from a bike now. The SST has not disappointed. The susp looks simple, but it has something going on as you have to compress it with a little force to bolt up the shock. Amazing bike and now the LT sits.
  • 1 0
 That’s always a possibility,
However I’ve found that most dual link (dw-link, SC, etc) just don’t suit my riding style.
It was a full day demo with that SC, and I’m pretty comfortable with bike setup, so I think it just didn’t suit my riding style (or lack there of). Couple that with a bike that’s going to be that finicky, and it wasn’t for me.

The REEB SST is high on my list of bikes, I’ll need to take a trip South to try one out I expect.

Curious about compressing the suspension to be able to bolt up the shock, like the flex stay is adding resistance to the static system?
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: could be. Have not found it to be finicky. Susp can be finicky. Mine has the stock DPS on it now and its a different bike than when I had the DPX2. I had a similar experience with my HT2. Shock change transformed the bike.

But yeah, I talked to Reeb briefly about the design, while installing the shock, mainly to make sure that was normal. I did not get into details, but it works!
  • 39 5
 Market correction is coming and only a few brands will survive. Giant will be one of them.
  • 74 0
 Isn't Giant basically most of them?
  • 22 0
 About time. So many "boutique" manufacturers charging silly prices while Giant manufactures their bikes for them.
  • 4 2
 Bet. Market consolidation comes with market maturation. The MTB market is still so young and spread thin over a bunch of brands with nothing to differentiate more than colors and brand identity. The products are all so similar these days. The companies that are trying to disrupt the industry don't have the resources to do so coupled with radical riders making conservative purchasing decisions.
  • 9 5
 @GTscoob: I love all the smaller brands making different stuff. If we all had to ride Giant, Specialized or Trek mountain bikes wouldn't be nearly as fun.
  • 2 0
 @bbachmei:

Yep! Also, I paid less for my smaller brand bike with carbon frame, carbon wheels and Shimano XT. The deals are out there, you don’t have to pay $7k for GX.
  • 1 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: which "boutique" brands do you have in mind? can you be more specific?
  • 3 0
 @f00bar: Here's the thing with Giant: no-one outside of the industry knows what they do until the business relationship ends. We know for sure they did most of Schwinn's work, then they did the alloy side of Trek for a bit (Session 88 era), then Scott and Colnago at one point in time.
  • 9 1
 @f00bar: The thing is, if your bike was "Made in Taiwan, " it was made in Taichung at an affiliated factory of either Giant or Merida. They do everything from high-quality carbon to chromoly steel to standard aluminum. Those two companies have dominated the market so that nearly everything for mountain bikes is now made in Taichung.

The exception is Yeti, which has sought out even cheaper labor in Vietnam.

I think it's really sad that these brands take such pride in where they were "designed and engineered" but seem almost ashamed of where they were built. When you go to Taichung, it is a bustling conglomerate of hundreds of small factories churning out different kinds of frames and bits, but you won't see any branding outside any of these facilities, because they are merely contracted to churn out a certain number of frames and then move on to the next brand that contracts. One moment a factory is making Raaw Madonnas, the next week they'll be making Trek Marlins. A carbon frame plant could be making Revel Rangers one week and then this very Giant Reign the next. (and yes, I checked each of those bikes is made in Taichung)
  • 5 1
 @ryanandrewrogers: nice that you mention Revel. Pivot and Revel are the two manufacturers that come to mind speaking highly and transparently of their overseas manufacturing partners.

If you're ever curious to dig into this more, www.importyeti.com is a great resource to find out who supplies your favorite brand. If you're really on it, you can catch when shipments of new bikes are on the water and try to anticipate launch events.
  • 1 0
 @GTscoob: Fascinating resource! I'll be snooping
  • 22 0
 Just to touch on Giants warranty. Giant offers a full lifetime warranty on carbon and aluminum models, the warranty is bang on and there warranty department are extremely helpful. (this is in Canada)

If you actually have a frame warranty they have your back, if you are a dummy and drop your bike off a cliff or or have it fall off your vehicle, that's not considered a warranty issue, you just messed up and should have taken better care of your stuff.

Stoked on the new Reign to come out, I can't wait to get my hands on one!
  • 6 0
 I will say this relies solely on how good your local shop is and what their relationship with giant is like. Thanks to my local shop I had horrible experiences with giants warranty which turned be away from their bikes completely.
  • 6 1
 Its coming up 10 months since they accepted my frame warranty and they still wont commit to a timeline on when I'll get it....
  • 3 0
 @Healelw1: What frame?
  • 4 5
 Rock flicked off the front tire and shattered my down tube. Giant just said their frames don’t break that way.

Actually-almost every Reign bought here the last few years has broken.

Local shop kid got stress cracks around the headtube of a Trance X, Giant did the composite care replacement, but also told the rider their frames don’t do that either.

Giant USED to set the gold standard for warranty service, but not anymore.

If their bikes seem light compared to other stuff in the same travel bracket, they are. And they break as a result.
  • 9 2
 @wyorider: hitting rocks is not a warranty issue.
  • 2 0
 @Keegansamonster: the shop I support always takes care of their customer be it Giant or any other, which make me want to support them more.

Unfortunately there are shops out there that do not have the same customer service level I see, which can put a sour taste in anyone’s mouth about any brand of bike.

Unfortunately the standard a lot of shops operate at is below the expectations of a customer.
  • 2 1
 They've taken an absolute pasting for their attitude to warranty in the UK. Saying it's void if anyone but a Giant dealer does any work on the bike, IIRC.
  • 24 6
 No one nitpicking on the press-fit BB? In this day and age?
  • 9 10
 Not just press fit but the crappiest form of press fit - BB86/92.
  • 26 1
 @rbasoalto, I think it's because creaking / tolerance issues have become much less common, especially with BB92 bottom brackets. I can't remember the last time I had an issue with a pressfit bottom bracket (for the record I still prefer threaded).
  • 14 2
 We have gotten so used to even worse bullshit like headset routing that this now flies under the radar.
  • 13 1
 @mikekazimer: When is the last time you rode a single frame for 2-3 years? That's when the press fit problems occur.
  • 14 3
 @Snowytrail, I mean, after 2-3 years I'd say it's probably well past time to replace the bottom bracket anyways, at least if you're somewhere like the Pacific Northwest.
  • 6 0
 @Snowytrail: Sounds like someone needs to do maintenance a little more often than every 2-3 years.
  • 3 4
 @mikekazimer: Wow I replace at least one side of my BB86 SRAM bottom bracket every 4-5 weeks in the wet season riding in the PNW.
  • 10 0
 @preston67: that would probably be a frame tolerance issue
  • 8 4
 Meh-press fit works fine. And it’s easy to service. I’d all the gripes people have about frame standards, I’ve never understood this one.
  • 8 0
 Nothings wrong with BB92's when they're actually manufactured in spec. Can't say that's a nitpick for Giant when they're the single brand actually keeping their B.B.s in spec.
  • 1 1
 @trioofchaos: Except I never need to replace them in the dry season. I blame trying to stuff a 30mm (or 29.8Cool into the BB96 bracket. Its just too damn small and doesn't leave enough room for quality bearings.

(The obvious solution is to run Shimano cranks but I have two old cranksets that don't fit - I think they need boost spindle spacing - and that's annoyed me enough to not buy new ones).
  • 1 1
 Just use a wheels mfg bb with the threaded interface. Works great
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: actually got a Giant Revolt gravel bike creaking like crazy from the bb.

we've changed to a Shimano bb from a FSA but this didn't help either.

My three reign frames and Anthem and XTC were/aren't creaking through.
  • 1 0
 @preston67: keep a close eye on those...I mostly ride dry terrain here in CA but it still gets wet in the winter. I do BB check on a regular basis but one winter I went to take the cranks off my bike and the BB shells came out with the cranks. My bike never really creaked but I guess there was enough play to completely ovalize the carbon shell on my frame. I tried many things and the only thing that saved it was a BBInfinite that I permanently bonded to the frame. Not ideal but I will hopefully get more life out of my frame.
  • 13 0
 no headset routing, no batteries, no non-sense, what are we going to complain about ? maestro mud trap linkage ? oh wait !
  • 9 0
 I have 2 rides on the new 2023 Reign and I love it. I got a proper break-in at Windrock and did not change a thing. I appreciate the changes from the outgoing model which was great. However the older model was more of a long travel trail bike, this new model is definitely a true enduro bike.
  • 16 4
 Insane how $6800 is now "acceptable", especially for a value brand like Giant.
  • 16 1
 Giant probably just saw how much the Santa Cruz's and other fake "boutique" brands were selling for and though "shit, we make their bikes in our factory... why don't we charge what they do?"
  • 4 1
 ya I used to applaud Giant for being a solid budget brand. not so much anymore
  • 4 1
 @yoimaninja: they are stuck in 21-22... the bike shops here have already knocked up to 1000 off the 2023 reigns.
  • 6 8
 Yeah... I have never considered Giant MTBs, and now that they are pricing themselves with high end boutique brands, I probably never will. This is a budget bike... at a premium price.
  • 12 1
 @Baller7756: I don't like the price hike either but... if you're willing to pay for a high-end boutique brand then this is literally the same quality. It might literally be the same factory in Taiwan unless the boutique brand you're thinking of is Yeti, which produces its bikes at an even lower cost in Vietnam, where wages are a fraction of Taiwanese ones.
  • 4 1
 @yoimaninja: I think the same of YT and Canyon...
  • 4 2
 @ryanandrewrogers: I dont question the quality of Giant and where/who makes the frames. My avoidance is more a "business" decision. I always consider resale value when I buy/build a new bike. For the same $7000 a boutique brand bike will be worth considerably more in a year or two or three (longest I can hold onto a bike) compared to a Giant.
  • 5 7
 With slx brakes and a trans x dropper. What a joke.
  • 1 0
 @Baller7756: Very sound reasons
  • 9 1
 @ruckuswithani: I'd rather have SLX brakes than the best Sram brakes and prefer the Trans X over a Fox seatpost. I think the Giant product guys did a great job spec'ing this bike.
  • 2 1
 @grampa: Ah yes, because those are the only alternatives that exist
  • 13 1
 the weight is actally really, really good
  • 5 8
 And that’s why almost every Reign sold at my LBS has broken. And Giant’s warranty department isn’t what it used to be.

Bikes like the Stumpy Evo or Sentinel are heavier for a reason. On a trail bike meant for hard use I’ll take a little more weight.

And when Giant denied my warranty claim I went with a Ripmo AF, which is better in every way except the pound or so of frame weight I gained.
  • 7 0
 @wyorider: Actually, at 5.9 pounds for the frame + air shock, the Stumpy Evo frame only is probably lighter. But the component choice is heavier (arguably more robust)
  • 7 0
 @wyorider: the Stumpy Evo is known for having a thin down tube which cracks from rock strikes
  • 10 0
 if there's one thing I like about giant it would be their baller paintjobs that looks so custom, wish more brands offered their bikes in such colorways
  • 4 0
 Yea Giant deserves a lot more recognition for the colorways. Spesh too, although it's mostly on the pricey S-works. Amazing use of colors.
  • 2 1
 I was just thinking how unattractive the Reign 2 paint scheme is, maybe it's better in person?
  • 2 0
 @woofer2609: The alloy Reign 2 is gloss black and metallic silver. It looks good. Certainly very neutral and not flashy by any means.
  • 1 0
 @OzarkBike: Again, maybe looks better in person, but kinda safe and boring. Rather see a solid white.
  • 2 0
 Giant also has some pretty crazy paint jobs exclusive to their frame-only offerings. Check these out:

TRANCE ADVANCED PRO 29 FRAME
www.giant-bicycles.com/us/trance-advanced-pro-29-frame

TRANCE X ADVANCED PRO 29 FRAME
www.giant-bicycles.com/us/trance-x-advanced-pro-29-frame

ANTHEM ADVANCED PRO 29 FRAME
www.giant-bicycles.com/us/anthem-advanced-pro-29-frame-2023
  • 6 0
 The pricing seems to be different in the article than in the opening specifications... ? $6800/ $7999?

"There isn’t much that Giant has left off the table here for the $7,999 price tag of the Reign Advanced Pro 1"
  • 6 0
 $6,800 USD is the correct price for the Reign Advanced Pro 1.
  • 10 0
 This is why Pinkbike is using the new bar graph system to show prices, to prepare for multi-dimensional pricing visualisations.
  • 7 0
 The downtube storage problem mentioned in the caption sounds like something I'd absolutely hate to encounter on the trail.
  • 2 1
 And it sounds like a design problem, not user error
  • 6 0
 Interesting component mix with GX drivers and SLX stoppers, and EXO+ up front and DD in back. Though they should've done MaxxGrip on the front tire!
  • 7 0
 Finally they made a bike that actually looks good
  • 1 0
 The Reign 2 livery begs to differ, IMO.
  • 10 3
 SLX brakes and GX drivetrain for 6800 on a giant?
  • 3 0
 So the geo feels slacker and lower on the 27.5 config because it is. The bb is a few mm ower on the high setting in mullet mode than the low setting in 29r mode. 19mm bb drop on a 27.5 wheel is 38mm below where a 29r axle would be.
  • 6 0
 I love how the whole PB Team is still passive-aggressively referring to it as the Enduro World Series.
  • 5 2
 "the rear shock only has the low speed compression and rebound adjusters. I came to terms with the setup quickly, only varying the sag between 28-30% based on the riding location. Sometimes less is more."

So so you felt the need to bring a ruler and make 1.25mm adjustments based on ride location... but the lack of damper adjustments is actually a good thing?

So "set & forget" only applies to clickers (easy to change quickly) and not pressure (needs a shock pump and way more time)?
  • 6 0
 What is the difference between maestro and DW link suspension?
  • 72 0
 Beastie Boys never had a song about DW Link.
  • 2 0
 DW has counter rotating links, Maestro links rotates in the same direction. It is just about the patents.
  • 7 0
 @bummel42, both designs use co-rotating links. Weagle sued Giant back in 2013 for patent infringement but the lawsuit was resolved. www.bicycleretailer.com/north-america/2014/07/01/giant-and-weagle-end-patent-lawsuit#.ZFFdhM7MKUm
  • 1 3
 @mikekazimer: Maestro is a copy of Weagle’s design. A lot of money changed hands to hush that up.
  • 3 0
 Maestro incorporates integrated leaf storage to get around the patent.
  • 3 0
 @Rexuis-Twin: dw lower link is shorter and doesn’t end at the shock mount, Maestro has to (until parents expire?).
  • 3 1
 @wyorider: Dave worked/was contracted by Giant. He also lost the lawsuit just like the others.
  • 2 0
 @wyorider: The latest statement read in part, "DW-Link has withdrawn its claims of patent infringement and regrets bringing the litigation against Giant."
  • 1 3
 @mikekazimer: Yes, that's true.
But the links rotate differently.
  • 4 0
 @bummel42: The only obvious difference (between DW and Maestro) is the length of the lower "short" link and its integration into being the lower shock mount on Maestro. They both co-rotate but I think Weagle's patent left him with more wiggle-room (weagle-room?) to alter the design. I believe it is the restrictions of the Maestro patent (lower linkage length and placement) that was behind Giant pushing 27.5" so hard because at the time Giant couldn't make a 29er with short enough chainstays to compete in a world that was begging for short chainstays (thanks to Kona for setting that trend at the time). Now that longer chainstays are being appreciated, Giant can compete. Having ridden Maestro and DW (Pivot) they do share similarities of small bump compliance, efficiency and bottom out prevention.
  • 5 0
 The industry is better when the likes of Giant and GT are equally woven in.
  • 1 0
 Oh I see, it's lifetime for first owner, 2 years regardless of owner, fair play
  • 4 0
 Pinkbike seems to have some complex about Giant ... you found out that the rear end is soft and you don't recommended for hard-charging riders... that is a joke!
  • 2 0
 Are we still saying that Giant -- or ANYONE? -- is delivering a good bang for the buck bike? $2k aluminim base models have become $3k and are now $4k for these "value" brands. I'm not saying manufacturers are greedy, but its just so much money.
  • 8 2
 Seem expensive for giant
  • 4 3
 Said a guy who has a 50/50 chance of riding a bike manufactured in a Giant factory. Probability is somewhere around 80% that your bike was at least made in Taichung, where Giant and Merida run operations that manufacture most of our frames.
  • 5 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: how does that change the fact that this brand is now more expensive than they once were, relative to other brands
  • 1 1
 Tend to agree. Rocky Altitude 50 Alloy is less expensive but better specc'ed than the Advanced Pro 2.
  • 6 2
 @funboi-parisi: It doesn't. It merely means Giant noticed the bikes they were manufacturing at the same quality as their own were being sold for much more, so they adjusted accordingly.

I'm just pointing out there is no "seems expensive for an (insert brand)" because they were all manufactured for about the same price. Hell, Yeti is in Vietnam now, probably to take advantage of the fact that Vietnamese wages haven't risen as much as Taiwanese ones in the last decade. But you don't hear anyone saying "seems expensive for a Yeti" because we perceive that brand to be worthy when really they are probably made even cheaper than Giant frames.
  • 3 0
 @funboi-parisi: what brands currently aren't more expensive than 3 or 4 years ago? Before covid, this bike would have been probably close to $1000 less.. But, the industry is still adjusting and combined with inflation, prices on a lot of things suck.. But, companies with a lot of inventory have been having some attractive sales...
  • 6 0
 It's almost like printing money has consequences
  • 4 0
 I'd gladly drop lifetime warranty on wheels for at least five years for frame
  • 3 0
 Giant has a lifetime frame warranty, the article is wrong.

www.giant-bicycles.com/de/giant-garantie
  • 2 0
 How long are the cranks? Because the 55mm in the "Crankarms" spec is obviously the chainline.

(Why there are two "Chainring" specs (teeth count and chainline) in the "Crankarms" section is weird already.)
  • 1 0
 Everyone is getting on the frame storage band wagon and which I thought was a great idea until you find things that go in there rattle around a create unwanted noise. Here is a free idea. Put small rubber straps to hold shit in place.
  • 4 0
 This is the best looking Reign yet!
  • 8 4
 Murdered-out bike colors are boring.
  • 2 3
 Blank canvas for your sticker kit tho.
  • 2 0
 @mattbeer: is it possible the difference in ride feel between the 29 and 27 was a change in kinematics from playing with the linkage?
  • 1 0
 I have the 2020 version. Each year's update has shortened the toptube a little bit. Are we going back to shorter bikes, at least in the seated position? Reach is longer though and the seat angle is steeper.
  • 3 0
 If I had the money I’d be putting it done for one of these. Awesome looking bike
  • 2 0
 I have the 2020 reign pro and I didn’t really trust that rear hub so I put in a DT Swiss internals in it and a star ratchet, worked perfect.
  • 26 27
 I think the bike looks great but hearing the horror stories about their warranty should scare off any potential buyers.

These words alone from their website are enough…

The above warranty, or any implied warranty, does not cover:

Bicycles serviced by other than an Authorized Giant Dealer.

Modifications from the original condition.

Yikes.
  • 33 2
 eh...as someone who has been through their warranty process (and knows others who have as well), that's all a bunch of message board fearmongering. If there is an issue with their warranty process, its likely not with Giant but the store owner you are using to process it
  • 12 0
 I've had no problem warranting giant components even with modified bikes. They have incredible CS in my experience.
  • 14 0
 @SATN-XC: yeah, I've had a decent experience with their warranty too. I broke a frame doin something stupid and they pretty much replaced it for free.
  • 12 0
 No issues with warranty from Giant USA. Plus there is a 2 year Composite Confidence program that gives you a FREE frame if you break it in a crash in the first 2 years. Plus the regular lifetime warranty against defects.
  • 3 13
flag wyorider (May 2, 2023 at 8:33) (Below Threshold)
 Yep-Giant used to have the best support in the business, but no more. Compared to a Patrol-I don't know anyone who's broken a Patrol. Almost all the folks here have broken their Reigns. And if you're inside the first 2 years you'll probably get one frame, but after breaking a frame or a day past 2 years you're on your own.......
  • 8 9
 @SATN-XC: I broke a Reign (stress cracks around the bb) and Giant very, very reluctantly replaced it. Got the new frame built up and a small rock kicked up off the front tire on a blue trail and shattered the carbon-under the rubber strip that's supposed to prevent that. Giant flat-out said their bikes don't fail that way.........and I'm on a Ripmo AF.
  • 21 0
 Read the fine print on most warranties and you'll see alot of similar phrases... As a Giant dealer, I've personally found them pretty easy to deal with..
  • 22 0
 Giant shop and service center here. In our experience servicing and warrantying Giant alongside Ibis, Santa Cruz, Kona, and Salsa, I can confidently say Giant’s warranty is excellent and easily rivals other industry leaders and any of our other brands, especially their Composite Confidence program. Perhaps us having an excellent relationship with our warranty and sales reps improves our standing, perhaps they trust us more because they know we work at a high caliber and are accountable for our and or customers mistakes when they pop up. Either way, I’d outright buy a Giant because of our warranty experiences. Also worth noting their linkages are unreasonably tough, linkage bearings regularly go five plus years with zero service.
  • 4 0
 @wyorider:

Yeah rock strikes to the downtube are one of the most common ways to crack a carbon front triangle, no matter the brand. I did the same on a v1 carbon sentinel, rock strike crack under the downtube protector.

What we really need is thicker downtube protection and/or stronger carbon downtubes. It would be nice if brands would take the lead on this. Until they do, I've been adding rubber mastic tape on top of my downtube protector (ripmo) for an additional layer of insurance. And friends use Rockguardz carbon protectors underneath the stock protection on their stumpy evos.
  • 1 0
 Which brand specifically states they won't warranty bikes ridden on the shore? Propain?
  • 15 1
 LOL to be worrying about the Giant warranty when there's a Fox Float X2 on the bike lol
  • 1 1
 @fiekaodclked: Is there one? The shore is gnarly but it's hardly THAT gnarly. I can think of much rockier places that have certainly claimed more bikes (Utah, namely).
  • 2 0
 @wyorider: totally...I'm not trying to advocate frame durability, just warranty. Buddy of mine cracked the chainstay on his carbon Trance, got the new frame, then cracked the chainstay on the replacement in the exact same location only a few months later...to Giant's credit, they still warrantied the replacement frame
  • 2 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: I have no idea why any bike manufacturer would be dumb enough to alienate shore riders like that.
  • 2 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: service.propain-bikes.com/propain-crash-replacement/propain-crash-replacement-pcr

Catefory 4 includes all bikes and components that can be used in conditions described under category 1, 2 and 3 as well as in very rough and partially blocked terrain with steeper sections and higher speeds. Regular, moderate jumps pose no problem for experienced riders when using these bikes. Extended and regular use in bike parks and then tackling "North Shore" sections should be avoided. Due to increased stresses, these bikes should be checked for damage after every ride. Full suspension bikes with mid-level travel are typical in this category.

Ok so a little bit of nuance but I'm still not sure what this means.
  • 5 0
 @fiekaodclked: I think they're talking about North Shore-style wood features, not specifically the North Shore. Still weird, but crash replacement is not the same as warranty anyway.

Lesson: If you crash a Propain and break it, do not be truthful with their customer service department.
  • 2 0
 @WasatchEnduro: An easy fix is an alloy frame Smile
  • 2 0
 @WasatchEnduro: rockguardz is a must in my bikes. I was looking for an upgrade to my new DH bike down tube protector but it is not available at their website.
It had save my bike a few times for a warranty visit 100%. It is crazy to me only a few brands made a carbon down tube protector stock in their enduro bikes,it is very cheap compared to a frame replace an it looks much better than rubber one´s.
  • 3 0
 @WasatchEnduro: I think we are starting to see carbon frames getting beefed up a bit more... Notice how many longer travel bikes are gaining weight in newer iterations?
  • 3 0
 @lumpy873:

for sure. the "all mountain" segment can be a tricky middle ground. we want our 150r/160f bikes to descend well but also be light and climb well. and then we see carbon frames cracking (ahem stumpy evo) when a brand goes too light on the carbon layup for the category. Brands aren't taking as many chances with the Enduro bikes though, as they shouldn't.
  • 3 3
 @nation: local shop kid for stress cracks around his headtube. He charges, but he’s smooth on a bike and weights under 140 lbs. Giant flat-out told him their frames don’t fail that way.

If you’re inside 2 years they’ll cover one frame. Then you’ll break another one and they’ll deny the warranty claim.

The Reign frame weighs a pound or so less than a Sentinel or Stumpy Evo, and the downtube can’t handle impacts, headtube and bottom bracket junctions aren’t strong enough.

In Laramie (which is a small town) I’ve seen something 6 frames fail. They just aren’t sturdy enough.
  • 2 2
 @TurboDonuts: I’m on a Ripmo AF after Giant wouldn’t warranty carbon Reign #2 that failed.
  • 3 0
 @WasatchEnduro: those bikes may start gaining a bit of weight too.. As people ride them harder and the travel and geometry is now where an enduro bike was a few years ago .. Definitely a constant change and a challenge for the industry to keep up..
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 @nation: can a buyer deal directly with Giant on warranty like we can with SC? Are their BB's isolated from the rest of the frame to help with water/grime ingress? Are all the pivot bearings in the linkage? Genuinely curious.
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 @gmoss: must go thru dealer unfortunately
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 @gmoss: fair questions, to my knowledge Giant warranties are all handled through their dealer network, so frankly many warranty judgements are in part dependent on the competency of your dealer. I’ve never heard of warranty issues with them when warranties are handled through reputable shops; however, I do recognize this does limit support for consumers in regions with less stellar representation. BB’s tend to be pretty open, so water ingress could be problematic. We live in a pretty dry region of the country here on the Colorado Plateau/Four Corners region so BB durability tends to be exceptional and remarkably creak free. Linkages have bearings both in frame and rockers. Quality wise I can’t see any advantage in Giant compared to SC or Kona for example in terms of bearing fit/finish in frames or linkage hardware, and frame alignment seems similar among all of them. Giant isn’t using huge bearings or anything but for some reason they go way longer than anyone else (we service tons of Pivot, Rocky, Spesh, Orbea, Yeti, Marin, Commencal, and YT too for reference). They still certainly need occasional help, but they don’t demand nearly as much attention as others and blessedly they use standard bearing sizes with no dumb flanges, cough cough Yeti/Alchemy. An aluminum Giant is about as bulletproof as you can get with a brick and mortar brand for bike park use. As someone in a long lost thread put it, Giant is a lifestyle. You buy a cheap aluminum Reign or Trance, abuse the thing for five years with no maintenance until it breaks or is out of date, then buy another one for $3k. Their high end is dope, but if you’ve got 3-4k and want the best ride quality to durability ratio, they really can’t be touched.
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 @nation: thanks. A friend just picked up a new one. Never really been a fan, was always the large souless brand, seemed cheap, didn't like the name. I know, is what it is. Was on SC up till last year. Their design just went in a direction that really did not fit my riding, and do not like internal brake routing. Went back to my roots, similar to my original SC, an 01 Superlight, and got a Reeb, as I mentioned. The questions I asked are reasons I ranked SC above others. I had not inquired on the Giant. I imagine the new bikes ride well. My HTLT is a 19, still running stock bearings, BTW.
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 @gmoss: doesn't giant make sc bikes?
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 You need a good shop as Giant, at least here in Germany tries to hide behind the shops
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 @nation: brevity
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 @dsfgvbcx: nxt tm ll rmv vls lk th cnyn cllctv
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 @gmoss: in fairness, I ride a Chromag Stylus after being on a HT with mullet link. Jibs are more my flavor and smaller brands more to my taste.
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 @nation: I find it scary that I could somewhat, barley, understand it.
Next time, I'll remove vowels like the canyon CLLCTV
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 How does it compare to the GT Force?
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 GWAT box
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 GASH ? Giant Accessories Storage Hatch
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 @OzarkBike: GUNT Giant Utilities, Necessities, & Tools
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 @Rexuis-Twin: GIANT Got Items And Noms There
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 TAINT Tools Acessories Inside Nest Tube.
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 Hopefully the frame only option is available for North America. Awesome color scheme. Looks custom.
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 Why does the test bike have an aftermarket tire on the front but OEM in back?
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 Test bikes get passed around from reviewer to reviewer. The last reviewer probably smoked a front tire, or maybe a back one and then swapped 'em.
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 because maxxterror
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 @xy9ine: Yup, you nailed it. Upon closer inspection, the front (aftermarket yellow hot patch) is a MaxxGrip, as it should be out of the box. Must have gotten swapped by someone who knows and cares.
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 COViD bike! What else explains gx drivetrain components with SLX brakes!
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 "and the Fox Float X2 Performance shock. It’s not the Elite version, but it performed adequately."

Adequately because you're in the average rider size/style that it was tuned for. The Elite model doesn't change anything except allowing external adjustment of the high-speed circuits away from that middle/average setting. So of course Perf was adequate compared to Perf-Elite, it's literally the same thing if you leave the HS clickers in the middle.
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 If you can tell a noticeable difference between those flip-chip positions, I'd be amazed
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 I’ll take a Dreadnought GX for $500 less please.
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 Who could think years ago the a Giant bike could be compared to a Transition bike, crazy times.
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 In the neutral BB setting, how would it fair as a burly trail bike, @mattbeer?
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 When someone asks me if mountainbiking is cool I'm showing them that last photo.
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 Hey Matt, how would this compare to something like the Fezzari La Sal? Similar amount of flex in the rear?
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 @OzarkBike: Yes I'm aware of bikes that are 160/165 and are dual crown "approved" from bike brands..
and maybe this carbon Reign is too - Point was this category of bikes should have more travel and
we should always have the option of a dual crown.
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 They sell a Reign SX this year that comes stock with a dual crown fork
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 Do the alloy rims still cut tyres like razor blades? Wonder if the rear end is still moulded to 153mm wide?
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 Patiently waiting for the Giant Anthem review PB!
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 New Anthem is great. Flow XC bike of the year. www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfJYjZVTy0o
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 I don't like these dark scheme colours .... i went to a Giant shop and nearlly all the bikes were black .... pffff !
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 I'm not sure if I prefer the " (you can view all of the pricing here)" that's obviously supposed to include a hyperlink, but doesn't, or the incorrectly formatted [L=https://www.pinkbike.com/news/transition-patrol-carbon-2022-review-party-machine.html]Transition’s Patrol Carbon that we tested back in June of 2022 during our Enduro Bike Field Test[/L] that's supposed to create a hyperlink, but doesn't.
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 Now if whoever is scrabbling though this could just fix the [L=https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/24453929/]Giant’s enduro racers[/L] we'd have a fully functioning article.
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 Matt, if you were to buy this bike, would you choose M or L size?
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 What color is the bike? It looks silver.
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 Very well written!
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 YOU get 800mm bars and YOU get 800mm bars aaaaand YOU get 800mm bars!!! no climbing comfort or DH strength for anyone!!! LOL
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 Jokes aside... I like how the TS is replying in all the questions... !
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 TBH those comments about frame flex are a red flag.
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 Its a Giant, trying to look like a transition.
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 Looks like a Session.
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 Did it crack yet?
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