Review: Giant Trance 2

Jul 16, 2018
by Richard Cunningham  
Giant's Trance has been the brand's go-to trail bike for decades. The secret to the longevity of this 140-millimeter-travel all-mountain bike is a long string of improvements, which have made the Trance as reliable as a three-pound hammer.

The aluminum-framed Trance 2 is the subject of this review as a continuation of my search for top-performing all-mountain bikes with MSRPs at or below $3000 USD. Giant's sticker price for the Trance 2 is $2890, and it is very well spec'd, with an emphasis upon durability. After riding it for a number of months, I'd say it's a great value for riders (with or without skills) who want an affordable "needs nothing" all-mountain bike that can be trusted on any trail short of a DH run.
Giant Trance 2 Details

• Intended use: AM/trail
• Travel: 140mm rear / 150mm front
• Wheel size: 27.5"
• Frame construction: Aluminum, dual-link Maestro suspension
• Head angle: 67º
• Chainstay length: 435mm
• Sizes: XS, S, M, L, XL
• Weight: 29.8 lb (13.55 kg) size large, w/o pedals
• Price: $2,890 USD as tested
• More info: Giant Bicycles

bigquotesGiant's Trance 2 doesn't wow you with zesty parking lot acceleration and manicured pumptrack pop. It has a steadfast feel that plays well in the real world of ever-changing terrain and uncertain line choices.




Giant Trance 2 2018
A look at the bottom bracket area of the Trance 2. The lower shock mount and the bottom rocker link pivots are concentric. The lower rocker hinges well forward of the BB center - a Maestro suspension hallmark.


Construction and Features

Giant's Trance cuts such a familiar profile that many readers will probably skip this description, but stay with me for a while, because it still checks the boxes. To begin with, there's room for a downtube bottle, which is a contemporary issue. Its Maestro dual-link rear suspension is tucked low in the chassis to keep the mass closer to the bottom bracket, and its upper rocker link is carbon fiber, which maximizes stiffness without adding bulk where the rider's shoes, the crankarms, and the rear tire are competing for space.

Giant makes and shapes its frame tubing, which is evident everywhere, especially in the rear of the bike where every pipe that makes up the swingarm has been slenderized, ovalized, or squeezed into a rectangular profile to eke out the last millimeter of tire clearance. It works. There is room for tires up to 2.6 inches, and the standard 2.4-inch-wide Maxxis High Rollers look skinny inside the stays. Giant's mastery of aluminum construction is also evident where double pass welds smooth tube junctions, and brazed reinforcements around the internal cable and hose ports add a professional look.

Giant has no plans to return to a threaded bottom bracket shell but, hold your tears, the Trance uses Shimano's BB92 system, which is by far the most reliable, quiet, and easily serviced press-fit bottom bracket on the market. I wouldn't consider that to be a deal breaker, especially when one considers that the Trance chassis carries a lifetime warranty.

Giant Trance 2 2018
Carbon fiber upper rocker link uses a special "forged" process.
Giant Trance 2 2018
Creative tube forming offers plenty of room for wide tires out back.


Geometry & Sizing

Giant offers the Trance 2 in five sizes, from X-small, through X-large, with ample stand-over clearance between models to allow customers to trade up or down a size in order to shop reach or top tube length. That may be a good thing for riders who have made the jump to steep seat tube angles. The Trance has an old-school, 73.5-degree seat tube. By pushing the saddle forward, you can steepen the effective seat angle by one more degree, but at the expense of a proportionately shorter reach. Shopping up a size can remedy that.

Measured by modern rider-forward geometry, which is quickly taking root in the upper echelon of the sport, Giant's 67-degree head angle seems cross-country steep, but it still slots into the all-mountain/trail category. Its bottom bracket drop is 15 millimeters, which lowers the Trance into the pedal bashing club. I'm not a fan, but it should corner well. Most bikes with low bottom brackets do. I found that the reach was ample, but once again, on the conservative side of new-school enduro bro numbers.

Trance 2 geometry


Giant Trance 2 2018


Suspension Design

Giant staked its future on its Maestro dual-link rear suspension, which has earned a strong fan base for its ability to track the ground under power. The kinematics minimize chain growth and, as that suggests, the suspension does not rely on loads of anti-squat for its pedaling efficiency. Instead, Maestro does a good job of separating pedaling effects from the suspension action. The result is a softer feeling under acceleration than you'd expect from its dw-link cousins, but with superior efficiency over choppy terrain. Need a firmer feel at the pedals? Switch the low-speed compression lever to suit.

Like most short-link four-bar designs, the Trance's swingarm is a stiff, triangulated structure, which is a major plus, The downside, however, is there are a lot of tubes and bridges between the rear tire and the bottom bracket area that cramp tire clearance, and also can add length to the chainstays. Giant mitigates those negatives with a forward-mounted lower pivot and with a lot of metal trickery that stems from its in-house hydro-forming magic. As a result, its chainstays are short enough, at 435 millimeters (17.1 inches), to keep the rear tire weighted up climbs, and there is enough room for tires up to 2.6 inches.

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Trance 2 models are outfitted with a 150-millimeter-stroke Fox 34 Rhythm fork. Its GRIP damper system gives this enthusiast-level slider impressive performance. Out back, the Fox Float Performance trunnion-style shock is an adequate performer, but definitely not the equal to the fork. Where the Rhythm fork delivers smooth damping and support across a range of speeds and amplitudes, I had reservations about the ability of the simple in-line shock to be able to handle the same Performance range. My previous experience with the Trance was that I had to set the shock to favor one side of the performance envelope. To keep from blowing through the travel on big hits, I had to kill the small bump sensitivity and vice versa.


Components
Specifications
Release Date 2018
Price $2890
Travel 140mm
Rear Shock Fox Float Performance, Trunnion mount
Fork Fox 34 Rhythm, GRIP Damper, 150mm
Headset Generic
Cassette Shimano SLX 11x46, 11-Speed
Crankarms Shimano SLX, 30T
Chainguide NA
Bottom Bracket Shimano press-fit
Pedals NA
Rear Derailleur Shimano SLX 11 speed
Chain KMC X11
Front Derailleur NA
Shifter Pods Shimano SLX
Handlebar Giant Connect Trail, 780mm
Stem Giant Connect 50mm
Grips Giant lock on
Brakes Shimano SLX, 180mm rotors F/R
Wheelset Giant Performance Tracker,
Hubs Giant
Spokes Sapim Race, 14/15g
Rim Giant XC-1, 23mm IW
Tires Maxxis High Roller II, 2.4" EXO
Seat Giant Contact, Neutral
Seatpost Giant Contact Switch dropper, 150mm



Giant Trance 2 2018
150-millimeter-stroke Fox 34 Rhythm fork







Setup Notes

Getting the Trance 2 ready for action is a simple affair. The only suspension adjustments are air pressure and low-speed rebound damping. The Trance comes setup for tubeless, with two bottles of sealant in the box. Its 780 millimeter wide house brand handlebar is just right for most all-mountain riders, so all that is necessary to get the bike rolling is to set the suspension sag, get the rebound in the ballpark and choose a tire pressure.

My initial settings? 22psi for the front tire, 24psi for the rear (2.4-inch tires); 175psi in the shock with the rebound six clicks out; and 62psi in the fork with the rebound four clicks out. Those suspension settings resulted in 20-percent sag for the fork and a little more than 25 percent sag for the shock, and were great for trail riding and technical climbing.

At speed, however, and when pounding down gravity trails, the shock was easily overwhelmed. (For the record, I weigh 170 pounds.) I experimented with higher shock and fork spring pressures, eventually settling on a compromise: 180psi in the shock and 70 psi in the fork - low enough to maintain the suppleness that makes this bike roll so well in the rough stuff, and high enough so that I wasn't bottoming the shock too much at speed.

Giant Trance 2 2018
Low gearing and Maestro's decoupled rear suspension favors rock crawling and technical climbs.


Climbing

The Trance's 11 by 46 eleven-speed cassette is powered by a small, 30-tooth chainring, which results in a low gear that is within a percentage point of a SRAM Eagle 50-tooth cassette, powered by a 32-tooth chainring. Kudos to Giant for spec'ing a climbing gear that doesn't require pro-level fitness. The Trance 2 weighs about 30 pounds even and its Maestro suspension does not feel very snappy under acceleration, so the decision to err on the climbing side of the gear range makes long, tough climbs digestible - sometimes pleasant. The Trance does not reward frenetic, out-of-the saddle attacks. Stay seated, choose a low gear, find a steady cadence, and it will make short work of significant climbs.

Technical chunky terrain is where the Giant impresses most. Its calm handling and supple rear suspension help maintain momentum where many trail bikes would be stalling on sharp-edged steps or scratching around for traction. Its rear wheel seems to get up and over the chunk without upsetting the rider's cadence, and I found tat I was choosing straighter lines and making fewer errors. On the subject of steeps, I think its technical climbing could be further improved with a steeper seat angle.

The downside of the Trance's stump-puller low gear is that you'll spin out that Shimano SLX 11 by 30 top gear in less than a dozen pedal strokes on the flats. You'll need to practice your aero tuck if you want to stay with SRAM-equipped riders on a fire road descent.

Giant Trance 2 2018


Descending

After I got used to it, the Trance became very trustworthy on the downs. The steering felt loose initially, and I had to be careful not to over-correct in the turns, and to steady the handlebar anytime I needed to hold a tight line (trying to stay left of a long, deep, parallel rut comes to mind here). I've ridden a number of 27.5-inch-wheel bikes with similar head angles and Fox's 44-millimeter offset that did not feel as loose. Ultimately, it was not a concern. I can't say what I did to make the adjustment, but after a week, the Trance and I found some middle ground and the sensation nearly vanished.

With its relatively conservative, 67-degree head angle, the Trance flies around berms but gives up a little stability around flat corners, where slacker head tube angles are more favorable. Armed with 2.4-inch Maxxis High Roller II tires, the Giant likes to edge its way around a turn with both wheels gripping about the same. Where the rear tire of a slacker bike will almost always break traction first, the Trance breaks more or less evenly, which is the faster way around a corner, but less confidence inspiring. The up-side of the Trance's neutral break is that it gets from left to right and back again with great precision, which makes it a joy to ride on narrow, fast paced singletrack. Riding forest tracks is guaranteed to keep a smile on your face.

Giant Trance 2 2018
The Trance likes to track around corners rather than steer with its rear wheel.


As mentioned, it's not too hard to use up all 140 millimeters of wheel travel at the bottom of drops and G-outs, but the sensation is never harsh enough to break your stride on a steep descent. The Trance 2 lands smoothly from any jump you'd find on a blue line trail and the bike stays composed on black-line descents as long as you pay attention and pick your lines with care. What I liked most about its technical skills was that, as long as there was a clean run-out, I could let it fly down chunky drops with a degree of confidence. The bike stays straight and composed under braking, and its front suspension is very forgiving.

Most of the bikes I have been riding lately have rims around 30 millimeters inside-width. Giant's aluminum XC-1 rims measure 23 millimeters and the reduced stability of the tires can be felt, both while cornering and when holding a line through off-angle rocks. Additional pressure is required to boost the tire's lateral stability, which would be unnecessary with a wider rim selection.



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Giant Trance 2 2018
Giant Trance 2

How does it compare?

The best bike to pit Giant's Trace 2 against would be the recently reviewed Diamondback Release 3. Both sell for the same money. Both bikes are targeted at aggressive all-mountain/trail riders and both are well-spec'd, need-nothing designs.

The Release edges out the Trance for pedaling and acceleration, and the two bikes are on par for technical climbing. Both fall short with old-school, slack seat angles (Giant - 73.5 and Diamondback - 73 degrees), which is something I hope both brands will address. In the steering department, the Release wins with a more precise feel and a modern, 66-degree head angle. Both models have lower gearing, which is a plus, but the Giant's Maxxis High Roller tires trump the Diamondback's less than stellar Schwalbe Hans Dampf rubber. If you need a water bottle, you won't like the fact that you'll have to store it under the frame on your Release, but there's plenty of room inside the frame on the Trance.

Weighing suspension and handling together, the Diamondback may suffer with only 130 millimeters of rear-wheel travel against the Giant's 140, but the Release's RockShox Monarch Plus reservoir shock is the better performer. That said, if you upgraded the Trance's shock, you'd have more and better travel... In the handling department, the two are evenly matched as all-mountain trail bikes, with the Release being the better choice for more aggressive riding.


Technical Report

Maxxis 2.4" High Roller II tires: At one time, these were my favorites for Southern California's loose-over hardpack soil and rocky terrain, but there are better options now. The additional volume is a noticeable improvement, but the extra grip that the more supple casing adds to the mix can overwhelm the once mighty edging blocks in a hard corner.

Giant Control Switch dropper: The 150-millimeter version of Giant's house-brand dropper was a little slow to extend and its radial remote lever, and a little rough in its action, but it never failed to do its job.

Frame quality: Giant built the Trance 2 chassis to last. If you are the type who keeps a bike until its recycling value exceeds its blue-book price, this one is for you.

Fox 34 Rhythm fork: Sweet performing fork with simple, effective adjustments. The GRIP damper surprised me with its wide-range damping and support.

SLX drivetrain: I liked the even shifts across the smaller cassette cogs, but the last three jumps to the largest sprockets were awkward when I was pushing hard up steep trails. I'm looking forward to the next gen Shimano. Until then, I'd rather ride SRAM's wide range drivetrains.
Giant Trance 2 2018
Giant's 150mm Contact Switch dropper Seatpost.

Giant Trance 2 2018
Shimano's SLX drivetrain was trouble free.
Giant Trance 2 2018
Fox's 34 Rhythm fork put in an impressive performance.



Pros

+ Well made, good component spec
+ Good technical climber
+ Fits a water bottle inside the front triangle
Cons

- Pedal smacking BB height
- Narrow rims
- Conservative geometry



The Trance 2 Rider:

Giant's Trance 2 doesn't wow you with zesty parking lot acceleration and manicured pumptrack pop. It has a steadfast feel that plays well in the real world of ever-changing terrain and uncertain line choices. If you are searching for an all-mountain bike, only have $3000, and you know that you will be riding this bike for the foreseeable future, Giant's Trance has solid, all 'round handling, a durable and capable parts selection, and a chassis that will go the distance without a whimper. If you are a new-school rider who goes big and wants a bike that can double down for longer trail rides, the Trance 2 may fall short on the pointy end of your expectations.



Pinkbike's Take
bigquotes Giant rarely disappoints when it comes to quality, performance and price. The Trance 2 lives up to all three of those attributes, and while its profile may be iconic, its suspension and handling still check all the boxes. It's the kind of bike you throw on your car rack and road-trip the pilgrim trails with - Moab, Squamish, Mammoth, Pisgah, Downieville - the stuff you need a real mountain bike for. RC








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187 Comments

  • + 104
 I think these kind of bikes are perfect for most riders, not too aggressive and well balanced. I have finally come to the conclusion that slacker is not necessarily better for where I ride and a bike with these kind of geo numbers would be up my street, a kind of go anywhere bike. A mountain bike!
  • + 22
 For years I’d been up-forking bikes and putting in offset bushings. I think a 67 degree HT angle, give or take a degree, is great for an all-round rig that’ll spend more of its life picking through right, choppy terrain than killing park days. Just gotta be realistic with what you’re actually spending most of your time doing.

I reach for my trance or habit near the end of any day I spend in the park anyways. Flow trails are a ton less work on a bike like this!
  • - 38
flag fecalmaster (Jul 16, 2018 at 2:03) (Below Threshold)
 Did they make more than 30 bikes this year?
  • + 14
 Totally agree. I chose this bike over going all out on a Reign Advanced and don't regret it at all. The Reign is an amazing bike at what it does but my riding would limit the bike! The Trance is still a beast at descending but is still a strong climber. Best bike I've had in a long time. Volume spacers are a must though!
  • + 7
 I've had a Trance 2 for four years. Bulletproof bike which has done everything from 50km road races to all day epics to full seasons of gravity enduro, and everything in between. The way the tires break evenly actually makes cornering a grin-inducing and incredibly quick exercise. Takes a little while to get used to, but once you've got it in your system that it will do it consistently every time, it's all go from there. RC is right about the low level shock, they have done that on every Trance 2 model for about the last century and it is a weak point which you can spend a lot of time on finding a compromise that works. It is the only thing you would really need to upgrade though!
  • + 5
 Love my 16 trance sx. 66 ha, wider rims, better fork and shock, etc. With trances you need to run less sag to make it more poppy and better for charging. The fact that the reviewer had bb height issues and said it stuck to the ground kind of confirms that. I run mine at around 20 percent sag and it feels very efficient, yet still supple enough.
  • + 3
 @samjobson: Holdup. Road races on a Trance? Did you swap the tires?
  • - 3
 @Joelukens00: mate the Trance has barely changed for about 10 years. Same ride characteristics for the last 5.
  • + 1
 @AvidTrailRider: yeah nicked the 2.1 Ikons off my hardtail. Was still hard work though!
  • + 1
 Frame looks like it got dipped into hot boiling water for 10 minutes. Like a spaghetti.
  • + 2
 @chyu: the large alu looks dumb. the medium and the composite look way better
  • + 0
 are they still having problems with people breaking the short lower link?
  • + 1
 Amazing bikes. I had a 2012 Giant Trance X1 (actually just replaced it last month) and that thing was incredible. It is the bike that I started MTB on and I beat the crap out of it. I rode it for almost 3 seasons of DH every weekend at Bromont plus the weekday XC rides, I crashed the hell out of it, didn't maintain anything and the only thing I had problems with was the drivetrain (kept losing the chain and wrecking derailleurs). I was ok up to and including single black but double black was a bit scary for a novice like myself (especially with the 69.5 degree HA).

Once I started to get better the softness of the rear shock became an issue but from what I read on forums it was believed that Giant had really light compression tunes on their shocks (my RP2 had the lightest tune possible from Fox) so when I sent it out to Fox to get rebuilt I had them do the medium tune. That made it so much better for aggressive riding or just riding like an idiot as I tend to do.

- Bearings in the Giant house brand wheels? Only changed the front, they both make a ton of noise but still spun with no drag. Even after riding in the winter and salt.
- House brand rims? Replaced them because I got a great deal on some Stan's rims but never had issues with them.
- OEM spec fork and shock from Fox? Didn't do any maintenance on the fork or shock for the first two seasons I rode it and somehow they are alive (the fork bushings ate the stanchions pretty badly though, somehow no noticeable play in them still).
- Replaced the seatpost with one my buddy sold me from off 2013 Giant Trance 29er. Ran that for 4 years before the cartridge died and didn't fix it since I knew that I was replacing the bike anyways (and wanted a longer dropper). Only issue I had with this was that when I rode in the winter with all the salt on the road, if I left the seatpost down it would kind of stick itself and was a pain to get back extended (user error... I guess).

It just handled so well, especially on flatter more XC type trails it felt so easy to keep the speed up and handled so precisely. I used it on the road, for XC, for DH, even took it to an indoor bike park a few times. I was so scared to replace it because of the trend to slack everything made me worried about how they would handle versus my Trance. My new bike is pretty good once I got used to it but that Trance was an unreal bike to start on and I'm convinced that for the majority of non bike park/DH riders it is so much better balanced than an enduro or full on xc bike (if you are not racing of course).

A few of my friends actually bought Trances after trying my bike and because it survived what I put it through. If I had anybody ask me for a suggestion for a do everything dual suspension bike, this is the recommendation I would give them. The price is pretty damn reasonable for the setup too (although back in my day Razz it was actually cheaper though).

I miss it!!!
  • + 1
 @powderturns: Never have had the link go on the 27.5 or the 26 trance with any of my customers
  • + 25
 For ‘19, giant has been speccing wider rims on their bikes for increased tire support - they air up tubeless even easier. All their carbon models come with in-house ~1600gram 30mm internal wheels, with DT Star drivers on the top spec options. On this particular model, I’d worry about the wheels only if you’re going for that 2.6 size, and the cockpit if you’re particulars tall.

I feel that the rear suspension is valved for people 160 on the smaller sizes, which may not be perfect, but there’s a good level of support at 20-25% sag for me to do plenty of flow or properly technical dh trails. Having ridden this exact model with a super deluxe rc3, it didn’t blow me away, so I think the fox unit in the rear isn’t a bad choice. DVO topaz with the bladder/negative spring adjustability would be a good fit for the rear as an upgrade down the line.

SL seatpost is a reliable enough cartridge unit, and I’ve found that under proper cable tension, every unit has been overly fast to extend, never a slow option unless there was a sticking plunger or kinked cable.

I have 5-6 guys who ride this exact spec or a different trance from the same year...all agree that this is the best “one bike” they’ve used. I think I feel extra comfortable on the trance since the geometry and handling characteristics are really similar to the 2008 reign I ran for a while, which was the bike I progressed on the most.

One used this for a full season of park riding while his gf used his DH bike to get into the sport. Pretty much no maintenance done, never really taken care of, and at the end of the season the B.B. bearings were frozen and the purge/bath oil in the 34 was a bit dirty (please stop hosing down everything on your bike)

Another taco’ed the rear wheel wheel landing completely sideways (and flat). Giant helped him out with a crash replacement wheel for 150$ - their top level aluminum trail wheel, with a side of extra tubeless tape.

A third rides the 5k midspec Carbon model. Legitimately zero complaints about it as his sole mountain bike.

#4 had the stock deluxe r model with a knock in it on his trance3. Damper unit had come unscrewed inside and blew up upon disassembly, SRAM had a super deluxe rc3 on the bike in 3 days.


The pivots are built to last, the frame is burly, and giant has excellent customer service. Giant may be conservative on parts spec and geometry numbers, but their bikes slowly get better year to year. Never really cutting their teeth on the newest of trends, but all their bikes show a careful attention to detail on the spec and value for money standpoint. And, here’s hoping that their partnership with DVO continues in the coming years...them, giant, and sram have the easiest customer support to deal with in my experience - professional, insightful, and generally up-spec their replacements when needed.
  • - 9
flag SeaHag (Jul 16, 2018 at 2:05) (Below Threshold)
 GIANT has excellent customer service? Not in my experience. When two out of three frame replacements took over four months to complete, I call it a failure. Now part of that may be the poor support I got from my local GIANT dealer, ultimately it comes down to the factory and how fast they pull the trigger on shipping that replacement out. I had to call repeatedly to check in with my dealer; who then would call corporate and remind them we were waiting....

I'm done with the brand for good now.
  • + 15
 @SeaHag: Giant have fantastic customer service.
  • + 2
 @Grealdo: Maybe in the Uk, here in Oz it is shocking. Dealers here are shit and the distributor sucks too. I will never buy a giant again for that reason.
  • + 16
 Giant replaced a mate's well-used 2011 Reign frame replaced a couple of months ago... after some cracks appeared in the welds at the chainstays. 7 years and they stood behind it - can't ask for better.
  • + 10
 You are just wrong. Giant has amazing service. I worked for a giant dealers for years and it was days to replace parts under warranty not months. Sounds like user error or aditude had a big part in your issues @SeaHag:
  • + 6
 @SeaHag:
Hate to say it, but it has a lot more to do with your shop if it’s components/frame.

Their warranty turnaround time in terms of initial response to a claim has always been 24hrs. For accessory warranties or crash replacement stuff, it can be quite a bit slower. So much of the claim service is dependent on the shops relationship with giant and in what kind of standing they’re in.
  • + 5
 @Grealdo: Giant just warrantied the carbon rim on my '17 Reign Advanced no questions asked. Might have helped that I had a fairly innocuous incident captured on GoPro but they still got a new wheel out to me pronto. Pretty sure I was technically outside of the wheel warranty too. Third Giant bike and I'd definitely get another. PS love the Reign but if I'm totally honest it's too good and too fast for me.
  • + 0
 @SeaHag: snaggle tooth sea hag lips all blistered
  • + 24
 'narrow rims' - same width as the hope enduros I run. It's amazing my bike is even rideable!
  • + 9
 @milanboez: The push for/to wider rims by the marketing departments is utterly laughable. Verging on criminal in some cases
  • + 9
 They could have just put 2.3" tires on this bike and it would have been perfect.
Of course 2.3" tires are unrideable....
  • + 1
 I'm going to guess that you guys havent actually run 30mm rims then. It's a striking difference of grip, running lower pressures and cornering.
  • + 2
 @Rubberelli: I'm actually replacing said crappy rims with a DT 511 for the front and 471 for the back. Why different rims/widths? Cause it matches tyre width and I typically run larger on the front (2.4 or 2.5) than the back (2.3 or 2.4). Not as simple as wider is better. I probably won't notice any difference anyways we'll see.
  • + 0
 @Rubberelli: lower pressure isn’t always better. a narrow rim with certain tire profiles at higher pressure allows for a different kind of grip. The extremely low pressure trend may be the strangest of all the new trends. It’s like tubeless came around and everyone started the race to the lowest pressure. Now your taking carbon rims with light tires and inserts instead of tubes. I’ve never struggled with traction on 30-35vpsi 24psi makes the bike feel like a noodle. I had a slow leak on my rear the other day by the end of the work day it was probably down to 25 my ride home sucked slowed me down a lot but I did have wicked grip.
  • + 0
 @loganflores: tubeless came around many years ago, but strong, 30mm+ wide rims are a trend of just the past few years. Its not strange that people would start to ride their wheels/tires like the pros do. youtu.be/lb_puXicyKo
  • + 0
 @Rubberelli: I understand that tubeless has been around a long time I’m not stupid. It has come to be considered mandatory equipment in recent years. I would also point out that 30mm+ rims have been around for a very long time. As per the pros they care more about a flat during the race than a wheel that is not the average rider.
  • + 2
 @loganflores: are you saying wider/lower pressure = less flats? Never heard that but that would be a heck of a selling point.
  • + 0
 @Rubberelli: Tubeless promised a near end to flats it also allowed people to experiment with lower pressure which helped bring forth wider rims to prevent tires blowing off with narrow rims.
  • + 0
 @loganflores: and the problem with any of that is...?
  • - 1
 @Rubberelli: nothing wrong with it. But people do tend to take things too far so far that flats seem like a regular thing again. For new riders learning being told to run low pressure can cause issues. I think 24psi is probably past the point of efficiency.
  • + 2
 @loganflores: Except many EWS pros are running 20f/23r and they are the most efficient bikers on a mountain, able to go up and down anything faster than amyone else.And if you're on Plus wheels/tires, you'd feel like a tennis ball at 24.
  • + 0
 @Rubberelli: I wasn’t referring to the riders efficiency but the tires. Take your bike drop pressure too 24 ride around your neighborhood then do the same at 35. I understand that lower pressure gives better traction but how much traction do you need at the cost of efficiency. Also I don’t think enduro is really the mark for climbing fast if it were than the climb time would mean more and climbers would have the advantage. The super d was a much better format.
  • + 0
 @loganflores: Are you suggesting that EWS pros are handicapping themselves with low pressure and for what reason? MTB is about riding the mountain and enduro has to strike the balance between ups and downs. XC races are won and lost on the climbs, so the bikes are optimized for that. Meanwhile DH is the opposite. So I think EWS pros setups are the most efficient for advanced riders. Of course, most riders don't need the very optimal setup. Someone without the fitness to climb and without the technical skills (and courage) to smash rough downhills, might very well benefit from your 35 setup.
  • + 0
 @Rubberelli: I see you are trying to insult me however it’s not going to work if your theory was correct than less skilled people would benefit from the lower pressure more than pros. Explain why lower is better please? Are there any benefits besides traction? If that is the only thing than it’s not enough. It is not my opinion that higher tire pressure is faster it’s a fact a mathematical one . Pro riders can hop on a band wagon too for all we know all the pros could pop up to 28 next week and all be faster. Your insinuating that people with higher tire pressure are less skilled seems like it would be the opposite I though traction was the most important thing? Someone who can ride without as much would seem to be more skilled. As for ews it doesn’t strike a balance between up and down if it did then the climb would count for just as much as the down.
  • + 0
 @Rubberelli: also I was serious go out for a two mile street ride with 24 and 35 tell us which was more efficient then extrapolate mentally to the trail. The common sense is there.
  • + 0
 @loganflores: I wasn't insulting you. I was agreeing that your 'use your mountain bike like a road bike to prove my point' that climbing a fire road would be faster with more inflation (a tech climb not so much). But thats the one and only advantage. Back in 2011, RC predicted the wider rim, lower pressure advancements and why it is so advantageous in mountain biking. m.pinkbike.com/news/Tech-Tuesday--Wider-Rims-Are-Better-and-Why-Tubeless-Tires-Burp-.html
  • + 0
 @Rubberelli: the part of a tech climb day in which you need ultra traction is a small percentage of your overall riding day. So why be less efficient for the whole day. We have to separate speed from efficiency in this aspect. The road test is more of a way to show how low tire pressure is more energy intensive yes it helps when your scraping for traction on a very steep climb but that is just a fraction of your day and is much helped out by people’s dinner plate cassettes. For years I’ve been toying with setting up a c02 cartridge to my bike or hub for an adjustable air pressure for this kind of thing. Faster rolling then lowered when your climbing that crazy hill. Back in the day our riding group would lower psi before our 9 mile climb bring the seat up to proper xc level firm up the shock and ride to the top then stop eat power bar reverse everything ready for the down. We used to dream of things that could do all of those things in the future we got two but not the magic tire. No tires just got ridiculous and complicated. I couldn’t have convinced those guys back then that they would be on carbon rims with a fancy pool noodle to protect them running 24 psi all the time.
  • + 0
 @loganflores: the 'fancy pool noodle' is for rough DH and if you are really really fast (getting a lot of flats with dh tires).. I don't think most EWS riders even run them unless the stages warrant it. Just because a tech climb is only a small part of your day, does not mean it is for everyone else. Wider rims and tires can be inflated for your climb and then be deflated to a much lower pressure to take advantage of the downhill. So, I still don't see where you think narrow rims hold any adantage.
  • + 0
 @Rubberelli: I thought you wanted less pressure for the climb and more for the down. I was never arguing that narrow rims were better I’ve been on pretty wide rims since 07 it’s the extremely low tire pressure I have a problem with. And as for the tech climb I was referring to the rare moment when losing traction at the tip of a climb would stop you.this is a small percentage of the overall climb. I normally ride at 28-30psi and haven’t had an issue with traction since I was a kid. I don’t understand why you need so much traction would you spin your tires out on a climb? That sounds like a gear problem or body position.
  • + 0
 @loganflores: I never wanted more pressure, that was you! You said earlier you run 30/35, but now you're trying to say 28/30 and earlier you praised the traction gained from a narrow rim at high pressure.
  • + 0
 @Rubberelli: you have me there with the 35-28 discrepancy it is contradictory but I also said I dropped pressure and riased pressures at other points in a ride. And have played with all kinds of pressures and tire widths over the last 15-20 years I also never praised the narrow rim concept just implied that thier is another kind of traction That can come from a narrow rim on a certain type of tire. And said that there is a limit to the utility of low psi
  • + 15
 I rode this bike and the carbon SC 5010 back to back over 3 days in Sedona.

Both size small, similar build, with same front Rhythm fork (but different travel).

On my scale (.2 lb increments, same heavy pedals on both bikes), the 5010 weighed 29.8 lb, the Trance weighed 30.2 lb. A small carbon Switchblade weighed 30.4 lb.

The OE-compound HR2 tires were awful--for my second day on the Trance I swapped out the front tire for my own maxxgrip DHF. Other than that, the bikes were really quite similar. The 5010 was a hair more efficient and the Trance a hair more compliant. The Trance killed it in the rain on the Hogs (with the DHF), but I had to walk the 100-foot crux section on Hiline (too scary from behind the handlebars).

If the bikes were the same price it would be a coin toss. At their actual prices, you'd have to be sponsored, a lunatic, or a fanboy to choose the SC over the Trance.
  • + 6
 I’ve had a similar experience with the 5010...the respective 5000$ mid-tier builds are totally different after riding both. Carbon wheels, dpx2, fit damper on the giant. If you’re looking for a dual-link bike, can’t go wrong with the giant. At this point, I don’t think the SC frame is worth the extra $$. Giant does keep the cost down by keeping the alu rear end on the 27.5 trance though

The build here honestly doesn’t give up a whole ton in performance to the higher spec carbon models either, which is great
  • + 0
 @parkourfan: you would have to compare the Trance Advanced I think
  • + 2
 @madmon:
5000$ is the trance advanced.
  • + 0
 @parkourfan: this bike is alu
  • + 4
 @madmon:
Like I said in my first comment, the “respective” 5k builds. Aka the trance advanced and the Bronson c from giant and SC, respectively
  • + 3
 @parkourfan: ok then we are on the same page... my bad
  • + 13
 This is a Call for Giant:
Where Is all your 29ers?
Accept for the anthem, i haven't seen any. which is a real pity considering how many people love 29ers...
what's up?????????????
  • + 18
 I think a reign 29er would be badass
  • + 10
 Easier to market 650b(s) than design a 29er with chainstays under 470mm
  • + 1
 I guess they believe their own corporate pseudoscience claiming 27.5 is all you need. I was a long time Giant customer but switched brands because of this.
  • + 12
 29er Trance will be released within a week. Expect it's 130 front/115 rear... Was hoping for a 140front/130rear.
  • + 5
 @CertifiedUser: Giant gonna be joining Spesh with a new bike standard... backpedaling! Big Grin
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 @CertifiedUser: How do you know ?
  • + 1
 @Whipperman: forums.mtbr.com/giant/giant-bikes-2019-rumors-predictions-discussion-1073341.html Giant trade shows are on this week, normally release is straight after.
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 @CertifiedUser:
If you’ve ridden any of the ‘18 carbon anthem 29’s with 90mm of rear travel, I’d thought that those bikes with an inch more travel, tire clearance, and a dropper post would make close to the perfect trail bike. Those bikes feel straight up plush and bottomless compared to any other bike in that travel bracket. Really sensitive off the top, and theyre always let down by the fork no matter what. Giant nailed it with the suspension on the anthem so I bet the new trance will be a killer ride!

Also, somebody on that site really doesn’t know what an embargo is huh...
  • + 2
 Jeff Lenosky hinted to me that a Trance 29er is in the works. At least that's what I interpreted, haha!
  • - 1
 @Spark24: What have Specialized backpedalled on?
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 @jclnv: Dear god. For example - they were the loudest anti-29er mfgr right up until they weren't.
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 @CarlMega: Actually they were one of the first mainstream manufacturers to build 29" bikes. They were also the first to make an aggressive (Stumpjumper Evo) 29". And they also had the Enduro 29" years before other manufacturers had a long travel 29".

I think you might be thinking 650b which they were vocally critical of.
  • + 2
 @ashfuel: They never said that did they?

Oh... m.youtube.com/watch?v=pHDEzZ6u2ps
  • + 0
 @jclnv: they were the last big guys to adopt 27.5"... They believed 26" or 29" was they way... Till they succumbed!
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 @Spark24: Which is what I said.

They had no option to use 650b when fork manufacturers began discontinuing 26" options.

29" are winning WC DH races, the best riding trail bikes are 29". Seems Specialized were bang on.
  • + 1
 @jclnv: Dude you are out of your mind or recent to this whole mountain bike thing. In the early days of 29ers, Specialized was extremely vocal about how 26 was way better, stronger and accelerates better and they'd NEVER make a 29er bike. They'd never be adopted on the WC...etc. They went on and on...until they loved 29ers. Horrible company run by horrible people.
  • + 1
 @CarlMega: Show me where they said that.
  • + 14
 Can't beat a classic. This is the bike I advise to my friends who want to leave XC bikes and try some AM.
  • + 6
 @Joelukens00: Do you only ride park with your Ellsworth ?
  • + 10
 My mate has one and it’s awesome. Just as good as my slightly older reign. Aaaaaaaaand you could trust the spec all day long.
  • + 4
 @Joelukens00: just ride it for 45 mins a day, then you’ll accrue loads of spare 15minute slots which you can whack together for an epic ride every now and then. Hope that helps! :-)
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 @Joelukens00: All day, every day, for 4 & 1/2 months in the Caribbean.. no problems.
  • + 8
 Did you save it in that last photo RC? I'd be headed fora dirt nap there....
  • + 1
 Looks so gnarly!
  • + 2
 Will be checking the MTB fails here and GMBN :-)
  • + 1
 Sometimes you just gotta send it
  • + 5
 I bought one in December and rode the shit out of it in Jamaica for just under 5 months.
I am buying a lot more of them.
EVERY rider who rode this bike on my tours adored it including sponsored riders on sweet machines. NO complaints and ZERO tech issues over the 4 & 1/2 months on the trails and in the jungle.
I did replace the rear tyre with an Aggressor after extracting the HR2 rubber and it had 20 thorns in it and still holding air.
I am a Shimano dude and the 11 speed was spot on along with the SLX brakes. The Fox Rhythm fork is off the hook for the price point. The wheel set impressed me and I have been a dedicated SX rider for as long as Mavic has been building them.
9.5/10 Giant!

here's a link to my Jamaican Touring Trance 2 rental.
www.pinkbike.com/photo/15893389

ZionBikeJamaica.com
  • + 4
 I really liked the previous Trance - same geo, but with 140mm fork, so you were able to slacken the head angle and lift the BB slightly by extending the fork to 150. You can't do that any more with the 150 (and the 160m 36 a-c is the same as the 150mm 34, meaning you end up lower and steeper when sagged). I really rate the Trance, but reckon Giant missed the opportunity to be a little more progressive here.
  • + 1
 Wish I could lift the BB on my current 2018 Trance 1, sits too low. Pedal strikes are an issue even changing to 170mm cranks and the chainring striking on slow log rollovers.
  • + 6
 @CertifiedUser: Putting 175's on medium sized and up is ridiculous, trail bikes should come with 170mm or even 165.
  • + 1
 @heinous: Totally agree.
  • + 1
 agreed, i've got a 2016, threw on a 150mm pike, DHR2's, bigger brakes and its a super fun do-it all bike.
  • + 8
 WTF is he doing in that last photo?!?!
  • + 3
 I don't want to know. Is that how all tests are performed? Do this line 20 times to know if a bike stacks up?
  • + 4
 @makripper: I'd hope the people writing bike reviews are more capable riders than he appears to be from that photo.
  • + 2
 @skelldify: WTF is he doing in that corner? God I miss Team Robot. He would tear this review to absolute f*cking pieces. Its like my Dad who has biked 5 days in his life decided to write a review...
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 @AndrewMacNaughton: yeah, RC has no idea what he's doing. Only been riding a couple of months. He's really in to beach crusiers.
  • + 1
 @Rubberelli: just because you so something for a long time doesn't mean you are good at it.
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 @makripper: that is true, riding time does not necessarily equal skill. At the same time, a picture of someone riding does not represent their skill either.

Most of us probably have no idea of RC's level of skill and it really isn't fair to crap on his review because of one picture. Maybe he was trying to put the bike through really sketchy situations to test its limits, maybe he messed up and made a mistake rolling it, maybe he is more comfortable rolling it like that than dropping it? If he rode it out then does it really matter? If he is a terrible rider, as you all seem to believe, and he rode that out then I think that speaks volumes about the capabilities of the bike.

Besides, skills on a bike don't really mean anything when it comes to reviewing. Just because someone is fast doesn't mean they understand how things work, or why they feel the way that they feel, or anything other than going fast. I have friends who can explain to me the sidecut, materials, construction techniques, etc for skis until they are blue in the face where I only understand wood vs foam and basic rocker versus camber. You can bet your ass that they are not beating me down any runs though.
  • + 1
 @crazedmodder: there are so many possibilities for shots. I'm just not sure why they chose this one. I get where you are coming from for sure. All fair points. I think feedback is a positive thing. It makes this site better and ensures they aren't slacking off and just feeding us with garbage. Imagine if we just accepted down country as a thing? Or jumped on all they bandwagons they try and sell right away? For example, 29ers. They are finally getting really good. It only took 10-15 years for the market to figure out what we wanted lol. If we just jumped at those first Gary Fisher 29ers with horrible fork offsets and geometry based around a 26 inch bike, we would in a different place now. Ps. Screw you genesis geometry.
  • + 1
 @makripper: Sure, but if you have been inducted into the Hall of Fame for said thing, then there's a good chance you probably are!
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 @Rubberelli: the MTB hall of fame is shit. You have to pay to vote and join the club lol. It's just like voting for your next president. Popular vote doesn't matter.
  • + 1
 @makripper: if it's that easy, why don't you put yourself in it, and maybe we will all start to listening to you!
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 @Rubberelli: i really don't care enough and don't have such a low self esteem that i constantly need attention. Plus i have better skills that make me better money. Social media and journalism is a race to the bottom. Hard pass.
  • + 1
 @makripper: then why the hell are you wasting your time spouting your opinion on here for no money whatsoever?
  • + 1
 @Rubberelli: why are you? Do you own a trance?
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 @makripper: I do not. I just found it hilarious that someone would actually comment that RC cant ride a bike!
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 @Rubberelli: well clearly not very good. He also had the worst cringeworthy articles in MBA back in the day too. Started reading them in the early 90's
  • + 4
 Spot on with the low BB complaints. I own a 2017 Trance 2. Loads of technical granite trails where I ride. Within the first few weeks I broke the original chain slamming it into granite. I realised you HAVE to run a bashgaurd. There's no getting around it. I've kinda learned to unweight the bike at the right times to help make it over technical stuff without scraping my bash guard. But I'll be looking for a bike with a higher BB whenever it's time to replace.
  • + 3
 I had the same issue when I went to a Transition Scout...same trails I would normally ride but suddenly having pedal strikes. I raised the fork from 140 to 150....problem solved
  • + 4
 so, in essence, you learned to ride properly?
  • + 4
 @nvranka: yep..you know it all. I suck. Thank you
  • + 1
 @GlassGuy: wasn't talking you guy
  • + 4
 If you hitting your pedals on obstacles and blaming your BB height.
You might try improving your riding skills.
Paying attention to foot position is very important.
My spesh Enduro has. 12.5 BB height.
I don't bash the pedals .
Sitting on your bike for teck climbing?
Good luck with that.
  • + 1
 The trance has a slightly higher BB than that and I don’t have an issue with B.B. or chainring strikes. The occasional pedal clip when I do something stupid, and the New England rocky tech here has plenty of small gaps and big rocks to get through.

Plus, the iscg tabs and direct mount front der. on this bike give you options for chain retention or a bash guard that other bikes don’t.
  • + 2
 I am sure Richard has plenty of "riding skills" and does not need a 12.5" BB to be able to corner a bike :-) LOL.
  • + 1
 This Test area being one of my favorite places to ride, I’ll tell you hitting your pedals has little to do with riding skill. RC picked a place that will run any bike thru the gauntlet of attracting rock hits or not. A great test selection for sorting out the bikes for us. For me, my Santa Cruz TBLTc had constant pedal strikes there, but my new Ibis Ripmo (with custom 170mm cranks) is vertualy free of pedal striking.
  • + 4
 I’ve owned two Giants: two Reign Xs ‘09, ‘11 and my current Trance 1.5LTD. All I can say is, in terms of value, it punches way above its weight! Only gripe I have with the Trance is the low BB height but that’s what the bashguard is for right Wink
  • + 7
 Yes sure a capable bike, that most would discount for no good reason other than not cool?
  • + 2
 i wonder if they think about how my uncool my bike is when they're trying to catch meSmile
  • + 6
 Clean, Under 3k. This is much more of what people will be riding out on the trails... I would give it a shot.
  • + 3
 >With its relatively conservative, 67-degree head angle, the Trance flies around berms but gives up a little stability around flat corners, where slacker head tube angles are more favorable.

Um, what now?

Slack is not favorable for flat corners. XC bikes, that are design to handle flat corners all have steep head angles. You want more weight on the front to grip and turn.
  • + 5
 @Joelukens00:

Dude, you just plain suck.
  • + 3
 It sounds like very little has changed since my 2013 Reign. Rear suspension requires more air than you think it will, seat angle too slack. Bike is shorter in the reach department and steeper in the head angle than the competition. All that said, I loved that bike.
  • + 2
 " Pedal smacking BB height" Does not even list the BB height? Sure it's in the very low 13" range or lower.

I just don't get having such a low BB on a "trail" bike?? Get a very small cornering benefit and completely sacrifice all technical pedaling capabilities??
  • + 4
 BB height is right around 13 unsagged.

I really don’t have issues pedaling through technical stuff with this frame.
  • + 4
 Love my 2014 Trance, but disappointed to read that RC likes the bike's climbing chops. I guess I have to stop blaming the bike.
  • + 2
 Love all of my Trances. I believe it is the perfect step into a "trail" bike for most people. This was my first step off of an XC bike 4 years ago. Today I still reach for my Trance with a 160 fork more than any of my other bikes. Most of us have to pedal to get to any sort of fun ripper sections of trail. This bike is very capable from XCish long days in the saddle to some moderate bike park days. Never had an issue with any of them and I believe this latest trunnion generation is the stiffest yet. Also looking forward to the new shorter travel Trance 29er.
  • + 1
 Happy to see a review on this bike. I can atone to the low BB in relation to pedal strikes. After getting thrown OTB's three times I had to make some changes. Put a 160mm Fox 36, DPX2, and 5mm shorter cranks on. Since those changes problems solved. The Trance 2 is a solid all around bike that's for sure.
  • + 1
 Having demoed one recently in Valemount, on a mix of technical and flowy jump trails, I don't really get this catergory of bike. It was so much less capable than my Patrol and yet didn't offer up much for weight savings or enhanced climbing ability. Why not go for the extra travel and ability to kick ass when you want?
  • + 1
 I bought this bike a few months ago and I really like it, but I have a question about the fork. When the fork is compressed hard and rebounds quickly, you can hear like a suction noise. I have owned many bikes before, but this is the first time I have ever heard a fork make that noise. Anyone else experience this before?
  • + 1
 I currently ride the Trance 2 and am satisfied with the performance. After getting new tires, stem, and bars this bike really does handle pretty much anything you can throw at it. With a motox background I know I put this bike to its test some days, and doesn't seem to disappoint. For the price the Trance 2 is legit.
  • + 1
 I picked this bike up last fall (my first MTB). I am a very large (315lbs/6'2") rider and was worried about durability. My LBS recommended this and i gotta say this is one tough bike! I've put about 600 trail, downhill miles on it now and it's not let me down once. Took it in to have it looked at the other day and it was in essentially the same health as when i bought it.

I'm not a great rider (yet) but this thing just climbs rocks and eats roots like candy!

10 or 10 would buy again!
  • + 1
 I had both an original 105mm travel trance (with a 130mm fork) and a 150mm Reign (with a 160mm fork)
Both fantastic, I had similar issues with the rear suspension on the reign, but got the shock retuned to a harder compression and it fixed it beautifully. endless travel on the descents, but climbed like a goat.

the bearings were a bit of a pain to change (not that difficult, just 10 of the buggers and it was time consuming), the last time I changed them I swore to myself I would buy a single pivot next.
In the end I got rid because I made the step from 26" to 29" wheels, which warranted a whole new bike rather than a parts swap.
  • + 1
 Perfect timing on this review.

Coming off a 2010 Giant Reign (L). Getting into a 2018 Trance 2 (L).

Got two demo rides under my belt. Don’t have the bike yet.

Couple of initial impressions:
-stock grips need to go. Got big hands so like them fatties (Rouge)
-stock seat has no cushion. Unless you like rectal exams, WTB V saddle coming right up
-50mm stem and low rise bar need to be swapped out. Find myself way to far over the front
-did not spend a lot of time fine running the suspension but felt adequate. Was running Grip “engaged” about half way rotation and rear shock was in the middle lock out
-160mm fork maybe in a couple of seasons (?)
-I am pushing 240LB. No complaints on the tire width
-Not sold on the High Roller. Minion type of guy
-Going to run 185 rotor

Excited for the bike.

S
  • + 1
 Make sure you buy one with an aluminium frame. I say that because I've had 14 Giants and no carbon one lasted more than a few months.
  • + 1
 Hi, If you haven't added air volume spacers to the fork it is a must for my 180lbs and more so naturally for your weight. That could be your over the front end experience. My 2 cents
  • + 1
 Got the wife last spring when they brought out the new frame when she was ready to graduate from basic hardtails to something with some more flavor. Her's is an "Canadian Market Only" Trance 4. (Its a Trance 3 with SR suspension and no dropper), For her that splits time between road riding and trail riding she loves that bike. Shes not a biking feen and won't stress over things and is a big fan of if it is not broke then don't replace it. That bike checks ever box for her, it was cheap, capable, and is ready to grow with her skills.

For people that would just like to hit the trails and don't need Gucci grade parts and just want the bike to work I think the answer is the Trance.

Also, FWIW, The Trance was the first bike she has ever kept for more than a single season... So if there an extra points for that..
  • + 1
 Exactly, I love my Trance. High volume production of light weight alu frame that I can source parts for anywhere basically, if I would need to (compared to boutique frames, where on one occasion I was stuck without a working bike in the alps...). However, I only needed to check alignment after being hit by a car... still holding up after two seasons, with around 150 riding days per year. Running coil both rear and front, maintenance free almost (open bath fork)!
Maybe it would be cool with more of a rearward axle path, but I kind of like being able to compress into turns feeling the bike tracking a sharper radius. Plus, external cable routing of brake line, for easy swapping.
The only gripe I have is that the seat tube is a bit long, and now it seems they've made it even longer?! I think I will cut mine down actually, finally.
  • + 1
 SLX drivetrain, Fox, nice wide bar combo, wheels are ok, dropper worked sweet and NO side play, Tubeless HR2..................................................priceless
  • + 1
 Love my 2018 Trance 2! First and best upgrade was a DVO Topaz shock. Like butter. Now I've got wider rims, shorter cranks, carbon bars, and am pretty dialed. All my old parts are being used on a new hardtail build!
  • + 1
 how is this a short-link four-bar suspension? counter the four bars as the links (1 and 2), the shock (3) and the rear triangle (4)? I've never heard maestro, DW or VPP described this way...
  • + 4
 @RichardCunningham thank you for reviewing an alu bike! Much appreciated!
  • + 2
 So good to see bikes return to a reasonable pricepoint... the last few years were crazy
  • + 3
 Legit question: why is the top tube so high?
  • + 2
 Wants progressive geometry but complains about the low bb height. I'm confused...
  • + 1
 Forged carbon fiber?
I'm guessing recycled carbon fibre compressed in a mould.
Forging would be impossible after the epoxy has cured.
  • + 5
 @Joelukens00: omg what are you like 8? Delete your account before your parents catch you.
  • + 2
 It seems to me that the review implies the Diamondback Release is actually a better bike than the Trance.
  • - 2
 That because it is....
  • + 2
 RC, did you prefer the geometry of the large over the medium that you tested last year?
  • + 1
 Love my 2014 trance 2. Does everything I need it to. Wish they would allow to buy aluminum frame only because a 34mm fork just aint going to cut it for where I ride.
  • + 1
 34 chassis is pretty stout...and I’m sure if you got the full build, sold the fork and got a 36/helm/diamond or whatever, you’d save plenty of money over building fresh.
  • + 2
 I'm not sure I've ever seen a Giant bike in the wild..... at least not in my SoCal area.
  • + 4
 Everywhere in Canada.
  • + 2
 Everywhere in Southern California. Reigns or Tracers are probably the most common Enduro bikes on our trails.
  • + 0
 @Rubberelli: Not everywhere
  • + 1
 I’ve owned a few giant bikes. My only gripe. Maestro sucks on square edge hits.
  • + 2
 Damn, RC! Way to throw down on some steep rock faces!
  • + 1
 For the record; which trail/all mountain bike is it that, "reward(s) frenetic, out-of-the saddle attacks."...??????????? Smile
  • + 0
 Giant's bikes look a solid 10 years out of date at this point. Every generation looks worse than the last.
  • + 1
 What are the better options than High Roller 2?
  • - 6
flag slimjim1 (Jul 16, 2018 at 1:34) (Below Threshold)
 Wild RockR2
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 anything else
  • + 1
 I have one... And this is the best bike if i ever had! Big Grin
  • + 1
 A lower bottom bracket allows a steeper head tube.....
  • - 1
 I've owned 1 Trance and 2 Reigns. All were great bikes but as far as estetics... Performance may be getting better but they are getting uglier.
  • + 1
 High roller over a hans???? You've got to be kidding
  • + 7
 @Joelukens00: why don't you have any Pb friends????.... Shhhhhh, no one cares.
  • + 0
 + is that it fits a water bottle, says it all really..
  • + 0
 Awkward position on the last pic. Not enough speed sir RC?
  • + 0
 The designers were very passionate about this one.
  • - 1
 only holds one water bottle.
  • + 0
 @Joelukens00: you realize a 100mL camelbak is the equivalent of 4 large water bottles, right? Anyways, check my profile, and you'll see that your doubts are not only unreasonable for pretty much any mountain biker, but also for a mountain biker like me, who literally needs a water FILTER due to months long excursions. So two NALGENES is less than the bare minimum when water is scarce.

On that note, my point was to make fun of the pinkbike style of always expecting more. people complained about zero water bottles being super inconvenient for the longest time. logic would be, might as well complain about only one, once that wish is satisfied.
  • - 1
 The DB is a better looking bike as well.
  • + 6
 ick no...
  • + 0
 @Otago: what!? No way the db is way better looking..you cray
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 Sorry, but I HATE curved frames...
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 You forget how ugly it is when you are riding it!
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 you wouldn't if you were short
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