Review: HED's Raptor 29 XC Carbon Wheelset

May 12, 2020
by Daniel Sapp  



HED is a storied American brand founded in the 1980's by Steve and Anne Hed. Until his passing several years ago, Steve dedicated himself to making the best cycling equipment available and the fastest wheels possible. The brand's road wheels were highly sought after as they were some of the most aerodynamic wheels available.

With Hed's wind tunnel and manufacturing experience, he was able to create products with distinct advantages in ride quality and aerodynamics. A solid disc wheel had many issues in wind, therefore Hed invented the "deep" sectional carbon wheel that's commonplace on many high-end road bikes today.

HED Raptor 29 Details

• Size: 29"
• Intended Use: XC
• Hub options: 28h; HED, Onyx, I9
• Driver options: HG, XD, Microspline
• 25mm Internal / 31mm external
• Weight: 1460 grams
• MSRP: $2,650 USD (as tested)
www.hedcycling.com
The company is now based in Minnesota, where it's still being run by Anne Hed. The brand has branched out beyond road wheels and now produces carbon mountain bike wheels and is a highly acclaimed contract manufacturer for other companies. All of HED's carbon is USA sourced and hand laid in their Roseville, Minnesota facility.

HED's Raptor 29 XC wheelset is aimed at XC racers, and it's built with carbon rims that measure 25mm internally and weigh 380g apiece. The rims are available as a wheelset with HED's Brick House, Onyx, or I9 Hydra hubs along with 28 Sapim Laser spokes. As tested, the wheelset sells for $2,650 USD.


Design

It's been a while since HED have had a true XC wheel. The Raptor 27.5" is a part of their line up but the Raptor 29 is a completely different wheel. All 148 sheets of carbon in the rims are hand-laid in HED's Roseville, MN facility and utilize HED's engineering to make what they believe to be one of the best XC wheelsets available.

The rims measure 25mm internally and 31mm external. They are designed around use with 2"-2.5" wide tires and are drilled for a 28 hole hub. The set I'm testing is laced up to Industry Nine's Hydra hubset, complete with 690 points of engagement, and riders can choose between I9, Onyx, or HED hubs, depending on their mood.

The core of the rim system is HED's DNA rim profile. "DNA" stands for Dual-axis Nipple Alignment. Haha, right, what does that mean? The DNA profile aligns the spoke bed and hole to match the four spoke angles that occur in a wheel. Those angles are pushing, pulling (on one axis), left, and right (on the other). By having everything perfectly aligned, the interface where the nipple pulls on the rim stays completely even and consistent. With the nipple oriented to the spoke angle, the spoke path is straight and direct all the way into and onto the head of the nipple.

This puts even stress on the nipple and keeps the spoke from bending to accommodate a mismatched angle which creates a stronger nipple bed and a stiffer and stronger rim.


HED's DNA system, illustrated. This shows how the rim bed is designed to keep the spoke path straight and keep even tension on the nipple.




Performance

I've been riding the Raptors, on and off, for the better part of six months now. More about that "off" time below.

For an XC wheelset that weighs 1,460g, the Raptor 29's are quick to accelerate, responsive, and amply stiff. The ride quality is superb, although the wheels don't weigh as little as some other wheelsets I've been on, such as Bontrager's Kovee XXX (1,290g), or the Atomik's we recently reviewed with BERD's fancy spokes (1,360g). The overall feel is closer to that of the BERD spoked wheels rather than the Bontragers - the HED wheels have a little more forgiveness. In the world of short travel bikes, this is a welcome trait for most, myself included.

Spinning them up to speed is effortless, as it should be with a wheelset at this weight, mounting tires is painless, and long term durability has been ALMOST flawless.

That's right...there was an issue. On the first ride, after I had put the Raptor 29's onto a Trek Supercaliber, I was be-bopping along my standard test loop, a combination of trails I've ridden hundreds of times, and upon landing off of a small (2-3') drop, I heard a loud "pop" that sounded suspiciously less like a shock bottoming out and more like something carbon breaking.

Upon inspection, I noticed a very small, but very present crack in the layup of the rear wheel. Everything else seemed fine...tire still inflated, all in one piece, but having just mounted the wheels up an hour earlier, it was obviously an issue. As much as it pained me to bail on the rest of the ride on a beautiful fall day, I pedaled back to my house and sent HED an email saying "Hey guys, this isn't ideal but I cracked your wheel on the first ride" along with the below photo.

The crack is easily seen as it visually disrupts the carbon weave.

I sent the wheels back to HED. A couple of days later, I received the following response:

bigquotesYou cracked our wheel, and you are right - this is not ideal. Here’s where we are: We got your wheels back and in a semi-panic, stripped them down for the hubs, so we could rebuild as quickly as possible and get something back to you. Then we took a pause to assess where we were. We have not had abnormal breakage in our internal lab testing, and trail testing has gone great. We built your cracked rim up and ran it through our regular test protocol on the drop tower. It broke way too soon. We sectioned the rim, looked at the plies, and found a layup flaw on your particular wheel.

Following this, we made a kit change on rims and a procedure change on the layup. We built that modified rim and ran it through the drop tower test. It has even better strength than the rim that we thought we were giving you for the initial test. What happened in layup on your rim should not be possible now due to the changes we made. The rim is now also slightly heavier, but it really is a small change with a big result for only 20 grams additional. All rims will be made this way going forward.

In summary, your rim was defective. We changed things so that we can’t duplicate that flaw.


Pros

+ Great ride quality
+ American made
+ Owned their mistake

Cons

- Price. $2,650 isn't the most competitive, even for lightweight carbon
- Initial test rim cracked



Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesSince receiving set two, I have had no issues with the new rims and I have been riding them exceptionally hard over the last few months with various tires, air pressures, and on different bikes. Evaluating the wheels solely on that, I have no complaints and would recommend them to anyone looking for a top-tier set of American made XC wheels, assuming cost is not much of an issue.

HED taking full responsibility for the issue with the initial set of wheels by investigating the cause and then changing the way they make subsequent products to eliminate any chance of it happening again, despite taking a weight penalty, is commendable. Other brands could stand to take note.
Daniel Sapp



128 Comments

  • 106 7
 Me: oh a carbon XC wheel review, I couldn't care less! Let's skim through to see if it cracked...
Article: yes
  • 35 23
 "changing the way they make subsequent products to eliminate any chance of it happening again" - ha ha ha ha Big Grin

Carbon XC rims crack. Alloy XC rims melt like cheese. That's the reality of the sport. Train on stronger alloy rims and race on 4 times as expensive disposable rims.
  • 10 6
 @WAKIdesigns: You sound like an old school roadie!!!!
  • 5 13
flag freebikeur (May 12, 2020 at 3:23) (Below Threshold)
 @RoadStain: They had figured it out a long time before us, especially with rim brakes. I see the point of carbon rims in road use when you want to have 60mm height without dragging 750gr. per hoop, but even in the world of gram-obsessed roadies most high-end climbing wheels are alu. Carbon rims on a mtb? I don't get it outside of racing tape...
  • 5 14
flag RoadStain (May 12, 2020 at 3:29) (Below Threshold)
 @freebikeur: I get that all the time. On my road bikes, I have a carbon "yes". Being as I am on Super Record it is carbon...but, on the MTN I have alu crank (Rotor Kapic), alu bar (Renthal Fat bar), and alu wheels (Crossmax).

I did just order an XX1 kit, mostly due to the tie dye cogset and better shifting over my GX. But, the XC MTN guys all the time wonder why I did not get the carbon, well, because, the carbon is carbon, duh. No one can seem to offer me a benefit to it on the MTN bike, however.
  • 15 6
 @RoadStain: there’s benefit to carbon on XC bikes because if you do want to lower the weight dramatically (like sub 350g per 29” rim) then alu is a total no go. Crests are fine for a malnutritioned teenage racer but will fold under anybody close to 160lbs and above, when rocks and roots are involved. Then carbon makes sense for extra wide rims 35 + internal because to get any durability out of those you need 550g of good alloy. Whether xtra wide rims Make sense is another story.
  • 6 4
 @WAKIdesigns: I weigh 170lbs and have ridden 26" crests w/no issues at all and 27.5" crests with no issues either. Both ridden hard on 100 and 120mm bikes, plenty of rocks and roots. Been on NOX composite skyline, 27.5", 23mm internal, 28H front, 32H rear for 4 years now (approx 2500 miles). They have seen everything from XC to bike parks. No issues what so ever from NOX carbon wheels. It helps if the rider is smoother and does not FORCE their way down the trails. Who knows exactly how most of these wheels but I can hypothesis its primarily towards lower skilled riders trying to keep up or mimic higher skilled/smoother riders.
  • 5 4
 @gks333: it's very uncommon for Crests to survive harder riding over longer periods of time, that's all I am saying. Sure there will be exceptions like you. I know a few XC racers who use Crest as racing rim and I have personally owned Arch Mk3 which has over 50g more material and wider section, and we kind of agree with each other about the durability. Girl I know has wrecked 2 Flows MK3. We have lots of rocks and roots though. I am pretty sure Crest 27,5 wouldn't survive more than 2 runs in Hafjell bikepark and I would trash them to bits if I rode local trails. For comparison I fail to destroy EX471 since almost 5 years. I fail to bend it out of true by more than 2mm.
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Even Arch Mk3 rims will crack in short order. I got maybe 6 months out of my rear rim last summer, before the spoke bed was deformed enough I retired it. Looking closely I can see a lot of tiny cracks around the nipple holes. XC rims are wear items ...
  • 1 1
 Voids will do that.
  • 4 3
 @WAKIdesigns: Or ride smaller wheels. #26aintdead
  • 1 0
 that will be four thousand Canadian thanks
  • 2 0
 @husstler: I did the exact same thing to 2 sets of Arch rims and a friend did as well. All started cracking then deforming around the spoke holes. To the point of flaring upwards towards the hub as the spoke attempted to pull free of the hole.

They’re just not very durable
  • 2 2
 @madmon: Canadian Francs?
  • 1 1
 @husstler: it’s a common problem with all ZTR MK3. Even Flows. It gets much better when you use washers just like one does with DT SWISS 1 series rims. But who adds 30g to the rim weight volountarily Smile
  • 2 0
 This comment confirms my suspicion. We don't want to read reviews to hear about a solid product that climbs like a mountain goat and descends like a beast (or helps you do that). The real reason we read reviews -- we want carnage!
  • 4 2
 @TheR: No, not really. Nobody wants to hear about a cracked Nicolai, leaking Hope brake, inefficient Chromag hardtail or blown out old Marzocchi... But... we do like to lick dentist tears from cracked carbon... some say it’s the elixir of life.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Maybe. Wrecking a Ferrari in Formula 1 is a lot more interesting than seeing a Toyota and a Ford get in a fender-bender.
  • 1 1
 @TheR: how dare you?! I mentioned authentic, reliable brands! Hope brake is like... like a, eh yh eh... like a singer Porsche! Not this high tech modern bullsht that is broken out of the box and you have to fix it before you can ride it!
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Ah yes. I remember you're not exactly a fan of Hope.
  • 1 0
 @TheR: how dare you? I love their hubs, own their hubs. Really good products for most of the part, but quite a tight arsed clientelle.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: My last bike had wheels built around their hubs. I'm fine with their hubs, but don't try to tell anyone there are better hubs out there. That'll get you downvoted really quick. But then I'm pretty sure you don't care much about that.
  • 1 0
 @TheR: who knows maybe they have their thumbs out of their bums today
  • 5 0
 @gks333: Crest's are possibly the most fragile rims you can buy, and they're super flexy wet noodles during even the best conditions if you manage to not break them. The only thing I would ever consider using them for is front-wheel only on an XC race bike.
  • 1 0
 @gks333: I ride skylines too, and I switched from Crests. Despite weighing far less, the skylines are noticeably stiffer and corner better than the crests. The Crests had gotten a rim dent as well. The Crests are noticeably squirrely at 29" compared to the skylines. This is doing things like White Rim Trail in under 8 hours, Grand Junction Off Road, 12 Hours of Mesa Verde. In other words, some rocky freaking terrain. Skylines are holding up great. Nox makes some great wheels. My Crests were already near end of life by the time I replaced them with the Skylines. They would not have held up to what I put the Skylines through.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Hope brakes are like Singer Porsche!? Are you high? Big Grin
Maybe, just maybe, that would be Tr!ckstuff. If Shimano is Toyota and Sram is Ford then Hope would be something like Jaguar. More exclusive and focused. One way or another, don't try to look into it too much. I'm bright example of a man trying to have everything sorted in life when it just colossally sucks.
  • 1 0
 @TucsonDon: yea, if you want an XC wheel set from Stans I would just use the Archs.
  • 12 1
 Three points taken from this pretty useless discussion...
1. Don't listen to pink bike comments.
2. Carbon vs Aluminum hoops are very subjective to use/user.
3. Don't listen to pink bike comments.
Hope that helps Smile
  • 1 0
 @gks333: Agreed re NOX. I've been on their skylines for 3 years now w/o any issues and I'm 180. I know some people say they ride harsh, but personally, I have no complaints. I run them w/ 2.2 out back and 2.2 or 2.35 up front depending on conditions on a fully rigid singlespeed, so nothing is soaking up the bumps either.
  • 78 1
 Never ever get hed where there is crack involved. I learned that one the hard way.
  • 9 2
 This is good. Pretty, pretty, pretty good.
  • 4 0
 Normally a lot cheaper though...
  • 10 1
 @metsrangers35: please curb your enthusiasm sir.
  • 2 3
 I wonder if Mr. Pound would agree....
  • 59 0
 What did you expect when mounting tires named "Kraken" on carbon rims ???
  • 5 6
 I would wish it was intentional
  • 46 0
 Taking responsibility is def a pro to me too. I understand sometimes products don't work out, and there is nothing more frustrating than a company that just won't admit fault. Well done Hed. That's the kind of customer service I remember.
  • 3 24
flag RoadStain (May 12, 2020 at 3:31) (Below Threshold)
 That is the way Hed has always been run. While they are now part of SRAM, they are allowed to be a bit more autonomous as business units than many other "takeovers".
  • 23 0
 @RoadStain: Hed is not a part of SRAM. I believe you're confusing them with zipp.
  • 1 0
 @Blaken1: You are correct, I was confusing Josh@Zipp with Steve@SRAM.
  • 18 0
 i wonder if you get the same customer service if you don't write for pinkbike?
  • 29 0
 From a family owned company in Minnesota? Yes. It’s Canada-South there, including the accents.
  • 5 0
 @DHhack: Fair enough. It's too easy to be cynical sometimes.
  • 14 0
 Most honest, professional, and responsive mea culpa I've ever seen from a brand. Good on you, HED.
  • 11 1
 I want carbon rims. BUT I just can't make them make sense for me. Aluminum rims are just too good and too cheap. Kudos for that aluminum extrusion process creating consistent metal, which doesn't suffer form 'abnormal layup' issues. I honestly just think aluminum rims make more sense.
  • 2 1
 These are about 50g lighter then my EA90 wheels, kinda pointless
  • 13 0
 Cracking review...
  • 1 0
 Let's not flaw these layups...
  • 18 11
 Carbon wheels the same price of a great bike and yet again they break. Always a reason and always an excuse as to why. The reason is never 'it broke because it was made of carbon fibre and metal is better for making rims'. Its always 'it was the layer up', 'it was a pre production model', 'it was used for the wrong type of riding', 'the rider hit the rock at slighly the wrong angle' etc etc etc! Just admit it broke because it was made of bloody carbon and metal is a far better suited meterial for making rims.....and a dam sight cheaper!!
  • 1 0
 As I see, it really depends on the use of the wheelset. XC carbon hoops have less material because they need to be lighter, and will see less abuse than a enduro or downhill wheelset. Even in downhill, if the hoops were able to survive reliably, they would've use XC rims, and then again, xc rims could be lighter. People are talling wonders about Noble, WeAreOne, Zipp wheelsets that are intended for enduro, but are being used in trail applications. But again, metal is way cheaper and manufacturers already know how to use it.
  • 2 3
 @Notmeatall: but they also smashed a set of Enve wheels too. Its excuse after excuse that you just dont get with aluminium!
  • 1 2
 @Notmeatall: Also, carbon is an very old meterial that has been around decades. It should be common knowledge how to use this stuff in the industry and also not ripping people off for the pleasure
  • 5 0
 @Matt76: Carbon is a very finicky material. It depends on the layup, on the resin, on the mold, onde fiber itself, if it's already impregnated, if it's well prepared, if it's contaminated with hand oils, if the bags are filling properly or if the vacuum bags are well placed and doing it's job. Then there is the oven itself, curing process, ultraviolet protection, and the list goes on. Aluminum is a simples material and the industry already knows a lot of the technics. Aluminum is already tried to it's limits, while carbon is being tested.
  • 6 0
 I'm 6'4 and have been riding my carbon rims for what, a year? No cracks. Carbon rims without voids are stronger than Al rims.
  • 4 0
 @clink83: Agreed, aluminum wheels seem to have a very finite lifespan before they turn into squares.
  • 2 6
flag Matt76 (May 12, 2020 at 9:12) (Below Threshold)
 @clink83: Well you are lucky then. Bear in mind loads of testers have broke them. Also, lots of racers refuse to ride them due to them not being reliable enough. In the real world carbon is not stonger than aluminium its a myth!!
  • 1 2
 @Notmeatall: Sorry mate but you make it sound like carbon is a new meterial? It was invented in the 1960s. Its rubbish that people in the industry havent got their heads around this meterial. The fact is it is as common as muck, massively over priced and under performs in terms of durability and strength despite the wild claims its stronger than metal. As alway there is constant list of excuses of why carbon should fail. Never the startling fact that carbon is just not as good as everyone perceives.
  • 4 0
 @Matt76: lolz pinkbike vs real world, there are far more people riding carbon rims without failure than not riding them because "they aren't reliable enough". The vocal haters on this site don't reflect the real world. When is the last time you saw a carbon rim fail in a WC race?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfjjiHGuHoc
CaRbOn RiMs ArEnT ReLiAbLe!!! lulz
  • 5 0
 @Matt76: If a high-end sportscar bogged down with engine problems at the same time a common little commuter coupe did, everyone would focus on the sportscar and pay no attention to the lesser.

In reality, the cheap stuff breaks down all the time around us, and of course the high-end stuff is under a microscope and anytime something goes wrong everyone is all up in arms. Truth really is that carbon is a stronger material. Alloy is more malleable (which can be good or bad depending on the situation).

I give manufacturers the benefit of the doubt. You'd think if alloy really was stronger, then manufacturers would spend far more time and money developing the stuff and putting teams on them, and ultimately selling more to customers. And yet they keep pushing carbon...must be for a reason other than making money. You have to wonder...the stuff must actually work more often than not.
  • 4 0
 Honestly, who buys a set of wheels for $2700? Ironically, awaiting delivery today of my spouses Diamondback Release 4C carbon bike today that was also ironically $2700 on sale from $3800. That's a big financial setback for a bike for us. $2700 for just carbon rims? Really? What are you a professional XC racer?
  • 2 0
 @kwcpinkbike: lots of XC racers are older professional dudes who live on bikes.
  • 2 2
 @Matt76: ask any engineer outside the field of mtb and they will tell you carbon fibre is not the right material for applications involving impact, as it is brittle, carbon aramid hybrids maybe, but I agree, its simply the wrong material for an mtb rim.

Brands made it work over time by improving design, but its like using a posidrive on a philips head screw
  • 12 3
 Meanwhile, my chinese made and built Light Bicycle/DT Swiss carbon wheels weigh 1440g, cost $1200 and have needed zero maintenance in 4 years of riding.
  • 2 0
 I'm I own 2 similar LB/DT Swiss wheelsets.

Set 1, Light Bicycle DT 240. 1450 g. Built in 2010 or 11, Ridden hard til 2 years ago, when the alloy nipples started to fail. Relaced and repurposed on the gravel bike. Never touched outside of relacing.

Set 2: Also LB, Slightly burlier, DT 350 hubs. 1520ish g. 5th season and on their second "downcountry" bike. I ride the hell out of these things. Untouched.

Personally, I'm a fan.
  • 1 1
 I really don't see the point of buying from those ‘fancy' brands when all they do is pick a model from manufacture's catalog and slap a badge on it. We need more manufactures to step up and establish sales network to squeeze out logo sellers and provide products for what they worth.
  • 6 0
 HED’s rims are some of the best built around - building them is a joy. The failure is obviously an issue, but I feel pretty confident that they’ve not just sent a clear, humble, accountable reply, but they’ve actually made changes. The bike industry needs more companies that behave this way.
  • 5 1
 Hmmm, interestingly enough I don't have any issues with my Taiwanese hand made in Taichung City wheels from Giant despite being over 90kg and riding everything.

Got them for 350 euros as take offs and while they weigh slightly more (around 150gr more) they didn't crack and work perfectly.
  • 2 0
 @msusic: I agree if my Chinese rims lached to dt hubs will crack one day I got nothing to complain l... And it has still to happen! LB great rims!
  • 7 0
 No mention of pedal kick back and number of pawls???
  • 5 0
 Who else just skims carbon rim reviews to find the crack? THEY ALWAYS CRACK. And it's always the first time the manufacturer has seen it. Give me my alloys.
  • 4 1
 If anything Rim's are the most disposable things behind tires and grips. Why someone would opt for a carbon rim at such a hilarious price point when there are sooooo many proven more environmentally sounds alloy options blows my mind...
  • 6 0
 I thought we all moved on from $2700 carbon wheels?
  • 3 1
 We have. Some companies are a little slow on the up-take.
  • 7 1
 @CircusMaximus: well “we” might also not be the target market. It’s no secret that the vocal side of the Pinkbike audience leans more to the Enduro/DH side of things than XC.

That’s not to say there’s not a market for US made weight weenie rims at all. If you posted a review of some hyper lite shmolke road rims on here everyone would suffer from temporary blindness after gazing at the price tag and wax poetic on the good ole days of bikes built from washing machine parts that “worked just fine.” Doesn’t mean they don’t sell em, because clearly they do
  • 4 3
 So basically they have designed a faulty rim architecture and layup procedure in the first place (as the new layup is heavier than the initial one).
Curious that they do not have experienced such failure in their test procedures and then one review later from a third party the rim cracked... maybe elaborate stricter testing also?
Anyway they had a good (and quite pragmatic) response to the issue, let's hope it will be the same for any other customer in the future!
  • 3 0
 could you tell 20 grams apart? Even if that represents 100% weight increase?
  • 1 0
 @Notmeatall: It's not my point. Of course 99% of us mortals wouldn't tell the difference. My questioning was if it was only 20g to ensure a better design and better overal strentgh, then why haven't they done it in the first place before releasing the product ??
I could'nt care less about the weight, it's the "for only 20 additional grams, we will be able to prevent this failure from happening but we have not gone through this issue during our simulation and testing processes"
  • 1 0
 Funny I've got the same weight with my Stan's ztr crest+novatec hub (7 years old). At a fraction of the price. I ride pretty harsh on them and I have had a few dent's here and there on the rear wheel (nothing that would stop me from riding though...replacements cost me less than 100USD...curently on my third rear rim). I can't comment on the stiffness....but I don't see much reasons to go carbon if there is no or verry little weight advantage. If it would weigh 1200g like the kovee, than ok.
  • 1 1
 If you put carbon rims on that weighed exactly TBE same you would realise how boldly the crests are and how much they hurt your bikes handling ability.
  • 2 0
 @clink83: I've been riding on other carbon wheels (not on the same bike)...and yes there is a difference in stiffnes, but I really enjoy the handling of Crests. Maybe even less radiall stiffnes might not always be a bad thing.
  • 1 0
 @IluvRIDING: Not always, but in the context of XC racing the Crests put you at a pretty big disadvantage. That's not to say they dont have a place though.
  • 4 0
 How is anybody spending that much on wheels given all the better priced carbon options?
  • 1 0
 Product properly tested for performance. First ride rim cracks. This is far too common for carbon fiber rims. Warranty doesn't do a damed thing for you if the wheel fails in the middle of a ride. Carbon fiber isn't the material it's cracked up to be. And it's a big gamble when it comes to rims. I don't gamble when I ride I want confidence.
  • 1 1
 The subheading was the giveaway for this one.

"The Raptor 29 wheels are a lightweight, XC-oriented option that's made in the USA."

That bare fact recitation is typical for a press release, but ominous for a review. If there were anything good to say about them, you'd expect to see at least a passing reference.
  • 2 1
 SO the company can't get a wheelset to the most well known, most respected, and very thorough review website that won't break on the first ride. Way to go Hed, We'll all jump on board and buy these.
  • 2 0
 Stimulus check #1 $1,200.00
Stimulus check #2 $1,450.00

How much HED would you be willing to give for that extra check Smile

Hold my aluminum wheel set .....beyotches !
  • 7 4
 Two and a half thousand for a pair of bicycle wheels that dont work. Wow.
  • 3 0
 Give me liberty or give me Head
  • 2 1
 Man, really wish I could post gif of the dog drinking inside the burning house "this is fine" for the people that make these rims. Yikes.
  • 2 0
 One takeaway: Go with Made in Taiwan. Best combination of experience and Quality Control.
  • 2 0
 And handling Covid.
  • 2 0
 These carbon rims need to come with carbon tires or the package isn't complete
  • 3 0
 No mention of the wandering bite point?
  • 1 0
 I can't believe the prices for these "name brand" carbon wheelsets when you can get Killer Light Bicycle rims hand built to I9 or Onyx hubs for HALF the price.
  • 2 0
 Clearly they wernt using thier HED when they made these
  • 1 1
 Thats punnable!
  • 2 0
 9/10 Dentists agree - these wheels are a good deal
  • 1 0
 Question: when will mullet wheelsets become widely available?
  • 8 0
 They are. You say: "I would like to buy one 29" wheel, and one 27.5 wheel."
  • 2 1
 Other brands take note: I'm still going to buy AL rims
  • 4 7
 Would ride. To those that say "AlLoY iS bEtTeR", stop being a poor and think beyond "point bike down hill and bounce off everything" as your only riding style. Those of us who climb appreciate lighter weight wheels on "skinny" rims because a 2.5 behemoth of a heavy ass, big rotating mass tire is going to pinch between rocks and get a sidewall tear, while my 2.1's slide right on through and keep me in the race.
  • 3 3
 I climb plenty-and still have no desire to run a wheel that'll blow apart under regular use. I suspect you describe your riding style as "Cross Country"-shorthand for "not a great bike handler-avoids hard/comitting/exposed trails". A wheel like this wouldn't hold up to a modern XC World Cup course, let alone any properly burly trail. And 2.1's are slower..everywhere due to greater mechanical hysteresis.
  • 1 0
 I almost thought this was a real post, well done Smile
  • 1 1
 @northy185

Believe it or not, there are aluminum XC wheels that weigh less than carbon wheels.

American Classic Race 29”
1,459 grams.
  • 2 0
 Another point to consider,
Who in the real world will spend 2500 bucks on a set of wheels?... And those are just wheels, what about the rest of the bike/supplies/tires/park fees/gas?
Not to mention, everything else that a regular joe spends money on...
I can see these are very niche, as are most expensive carbon wheels/bikes.
For us regular biking dudes, who just don't ride mtb exclusively, spending 3 grand on a set of hoops is just stupid.
Give me a good quality set of aluminum rims, laced with dt swiss spokes, hooked up to a deore hub, and i'll be happy Big Grin .
Heck, I still have the giant 19mm rims that came with my budget bike. There still holding out fine, even after a bashing at dh park last year Wink .
More expensive doesn't always necessarily mean better for the everyday world (lambo vs accord comes to mind).
If you took a look at what a regular bike shop sells (no, not the ones in Whistler Wink , and you will see the majority of bikes they sell are in the $2000-$3000 price range.
And besides the point, when you get to these kind of prices, you'll be building your own wheels, with parts that you want.
One point I have to concede on, I am going to be upgrading to something better in the near future. Not because of the rims themselves, but because no stinking company wants to make narrow tires!

@peleton7 I agree that these aren't up to standards, as are most products when there first released Wink .
But I have to disagree with your premise,
"Cross Country"-shorthand for "not a great bike handler-avoids hard/comitting/exposed trails",
Here's a food for thought, maybe these kind of riders, don't want too/have interest in "seat of your pants, on the edge of death" type of riding, rolling bikes/tread that looks more moto then bike.
Maybe there more interested in riding tamer trails, enjoying the scenery, taking your time, and god forbid, not using a dropper post.
Big Grin
Well, that does it, made enemies with every pb commentator, in only 1 statement. Bring on the hate boys, i'm a 70 degree head angle, lyrica clad, non dropper, narrow 29er boy...
Now that should get some hate...
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 Safe to say the reviewer got some cracking HED!
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 Welcome to 2007 wheels.
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 Dear HED, It may be wise to invest in some ad space before sending products. I have not read a bad review of RS reverb, code breaks or lousy pigeon drivetrains. Also be sure to have all your employees and affiliated partecipate in web-life. See you below the fold.
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 I really want Hed. to succeed but these are expensive and heavy.
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 Poor hub choice for XC IMO.
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 Not a great product release test for the company.
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 Clever girl...
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 So, no HED?
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 "+american made" "-it cracked" - this definitely supports my habit of shifting the "american made" into the minuses Big Grin
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 Hopes or DT Swiss + Light Bicycle seems to be the best call. I love those ZIPPs and latest CBros but I can't afford them. I want extra wide rims like 35mm internal but to get durability out of these in alloy it takes like 500-550g. I want 400g 35 wide for Down Country. I am once again considering buying carbon rims... it is official.
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 @WAKIdesigns:
Can't say much bad about the carbon DT wheels on my trail bike.
They have seen a lot of action those past weeks. After all the rocks and roots they are still completly true.
But I ran proper tires.
Only the center lock thing sucks.
Such a bullshit standard.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Buy Syntace C33i. While disassembling my bike to put it inside the car after a weekend at Järvsö a person drove over my front wheel on a small Audi SUV (Q3 I think...). It sounded awful, but apart from scratches on the torque-caps nothing happened to the wheel. The guys at the workshop by the bike-park checked the wheel and it was still true. The rotor went straight to the bin though...
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 I meant dt hubs with LB rims. @OneTrustMan:
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 Was that Q3 white? How much do these rims go for and where do you buy them? Centerlock - I like it because I swap rotors often.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Nextie can be had for cheaper than LB on their ebay store. I payed 100/rim for mine, which is AL rim prices.
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 Still better than german/Swiss flat out copycat bs.
When the godlike syntace megaforce stem and bars come out, they were labeled as the stiffest and lightest stem, rated for DH. I only used it on a trail bike, but man that was a noodle.
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 @clink83: I may, I may... I love light 2.6 tires with extra wide rims. Planning to buy a set of latest XR3s. I underbiked myself with XR4/XR3 combo and I’m not going back to Minions for local trails. But my current EX471 are a bit squirmy. I love XR2 on CB Synthesis alloy. It was some royal rolling but now I want lighter rims. 35mm internal in carbon at 400g could be super cool. Tire volume would mitigate awful stiffness and noisiness of carbon.
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 2010 called and wants its horrible narrow rims back. Wait-never mind......HED just designed a decent (but waaaaay overpriced) gravel riding rim and tried to foist it on dentists who ride Niners as an MTB rim.
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 sure pricey
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 Perfect logo alignment to the valve stems on those tires. So pro.
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 XMC 1200 for everything
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