Descending Let's be real here: I doubt anyone who bought one of the previous versions of the Ripley did so because of the bike's descending prowess. Sure, they've always been fun short-travel bikes, but if the terrain was rowdy or the rider wanted to be in the air fairly often, they probably ended up on a Kona or Transition or the like. And especially if they cared a lot more about coming back down than going up. You know, something a bit less, er, dentist-y.
But has that changed now that Ibis' trail bike has more contemporary numbers? You betcha.
If you've ever spent a Saturday night practicing e-brake turns at the local roundabout, you might already know that your little two-door hatchback is far more likely to spin than a big ol' boat. The same thing applies to bikes, but minus the e-brake and roundabout and likely the police. The new Ripley's longer wheelbase gives it a sense of calmness that the old bike never had, especially when traction is iffy and you're just trying to keep the back of the bike behind you. It's also much more at home in the steeps for the same reason. A bit less e-brake might help, too, but that'd be less fun.
It might have lost some of its playfulness, but the fresh Ripley is much faster on the descents.
That stability hasn't taken a ton away from the Ripley's fun-loving attitude - this bike is still far more jetski than ocean liner - but there has certainly has been a price. It still wants to hunt down those silly lines and natural gaps that add time rather than save it, but it's a bit more subdued about it while also being more capable, if that makes any sense. You're probably a bit less likely to be pulling a long, smooth manual through a set of compressions, but that's only because you're probably jumping over all them on the new bike. Different, but still fun.
I know that bro-science has proven how anything newer has to be stiffer, but I have to admit that I couldn't feel much of a difference on that front between the new and old bikes. They've never been the stiffest feeling things, but that's not what I'd want anyway. It sure does corner with less drama, though; more wheelbase and better suspension will do that.
Where the old bike felt like it wanted to 'tuck' under you sometimes, the new one is happy to help you through corners that you've come into with far too much heat.
Speaking of suspension, the Ripley's 120mm doesn't offer the ego-stroking smoothness of a long-travel bike, but Ibis has done well with their updates. I wouldn't say that the old bike was overly harsh, but you knew you were on an XC-biased 120mm bike. Now, it's as if the suspension is a bit more willing to help you out, especially on those smaller to mid-sized impacts where the back of the new Ripley felt like a big improvement over previous versions. Don't expect gooey, ground-hugging travel, of course, but the increased sensitivity and bottom-out resistance have the Ripley's 120mm feeling better than ever.
The new geometry and tweaked suspension make this Ripley far easier to ride at your limits than the previous versions, and it just feels far less nervous and on edge anywhere and everywhere. Just as importantly, it doesn't have that overgrown, over-slacked trail bike vibe to it that's becoming more and more prevalent. The package is more capable on the descents, though, and the very large majority of potential Ripley owners will be very happy about that.
The latest XTR group (right) hasn't been trouble-free, but Industry Nine's Hydra rear hub (right) sure has. If you like loud hubs, you'll love the noise this one makes.
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The pinkbike reviewers are killing it though. Their formats and pictures are good. They feel honest. They are up front about what kind of bikes they prefer and they tend to test the ones that are more in their wheelhouse. Good stuff.
With that said, I see PB's reviews to be the "Grand Tour" / Clarkson-May-Hammond era Top Gear, of the bike world.
So reviews at heart, but with the intention of being entertainment pieces as much as anything.
It does make for a good read, that you don't fall asleep to (like certain other media outlets), that covers everything you want to know. While not being the most technical or in-depth review ever.
I was holding out as I didn't want to spring for a crankset then finally the Next crank snapped, so I'm back to Shimano BB(half the price and lasts forever) and cranks.
No more RF cranksets for me!
I had them for about 3yrs with some pretty heavy bashing and jumping and I weigh around 215, so....they took some abuse, but, I've never had a pedal rip out of a crank like that before. Combined with how expensive and shitty the RF BB is, I'm steering away from any RF cranksets in the future
I've commonly heard the phrase "I've never seen that before" from bike mechanics looking at whatever newly shredded/snapped/cracked/stuck/jammed/ripped thing when I've taken my bike into numerous bike shops.
But I will add I haven't had Shimano tear apart as fast as the RF BB did for me, and the Next crankset was my first carbon pair after usually XTR/XT or Race Face way back when(prior to Cinch system)
Forbidden, as a new company, needs market recognition, so they need to get frames out in the wild before they can grow. They are likely more willing to take a hit on some profit just to move some frames.
I also wonder if the aging DW Link patent licencing isn't getting cheaper, and so Ibis not only able to produce frame design that cheaper to manufacture, but also cheaper overheads.
I doubt DW is getting cheaper, typically those licensing fees are pretty constant, that and Yeti designed their own so they have 0 licensing fees.
Disappointing for us bike geeks.
This is like the guy below that calls his Ripley 1 "beloved" even though it needs service every 6 months and/or creaks continuously. You don't have to deal with that! Get a new bike/frame/pedals! One that can actually be "beloved" because you can ride it (quietly) instead of getting it serviced or warrantied all the time.
Who said PB didn't have educational value
Specialized, Yeti, Ibis, etc hate Aussies and Brits.
Treks system is probably the best as it has the simple anti-rattle (and overblown issue) cable management idea. It also has the potential to use a blank (colour matched?) entry port if you're running wireless which looks way better than an empty, moulded entry port.
Can't believe this isn't obvious to companies. Bike world R&D is pure shit sometimes.
I was happy with that - my second Shimano issue in 10 years, both minor and slowed me to keep riding, were sorted easily and didn’t recur.
I had 4 SRAM warranties last year, all catastrophic issues meaning a walk out. Sram warrantied immediately every time, but that’s more hassle than I need when I’m just trying to ride my bike.
I'm contemplating pulling the trigger and getting this model or possibly getting a Yeti SB5. Decisions, decisions......
Thanks for your input!
Been running a DPX2 on mine and it’s been fantastic.
Anyway, I've found the Ibis email from ages ago with the instruction to stop creaks from the shock / clevis. I've scanned it to my album in case it assists you or anyone else... Presumably it is similar for any similar clevis bike...
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Larry
It seems that Ibis' frame protection has always been a bit of an afterthought. In addition to the downtube protector issues, the chainstay protector is hard plastic that does nothing for chain slap, and the little shield on the chainstay behind the chainring falls off easily.
Yup, just reglued the one on my Ripmo (after 14 months of ownership, TBF).
- Regressive mid-stroke spring curve causes a tradeoff between wallowing on steeps and small-bump sensitivity
- Eccentric-based linkage 1/2 pound heavier than it needs to be
- Bike tucks under you on hard corners
- Not that stiff
That's far from specific to the Ripley 3. Any bike with similar front-end geo would do the same, and that's the geo that was selling at the time (we won't mention that it was pretty much the only geo available at this travel range even just a couple years ago)
Sometimes it seems like reviewers and the guys that buy the bikes might be stretching for adjectives and hyperbole to justify a $9,500 bicycle spend and might be glossing over weaknesses that could help us make better buying decisions.
I dobby think there's a big conspiracy.
Makes you wonder how much different bikes would be without Fox everything.
Anyways, I'm curious about the weight..
I don’t believe they make a Dpx2 in this travel size yet. They do make a Rockshox super deluxe that you can drop down in stroke to fit. I worry about it being to linear. Maybe with tokens it would be good. The only real problem I have with the Dps 2 that comes stock on the bike is that on long descents it can have some damping or rebound issues from getting to hot. Not enough oil cycling.
Also, does this mean i9 is on the cusp of coming out with the microspline driver for XTR? I personally don't really care as I am loving my X01 Eagle setup, but I know the driver licensing has been a big issue and I have no idea why Shimano isn't getting the license into every high end hub manufacturer's hands as quickly as possible...
I like that stand on it ability. I guess I’m looking for a unicorn that’s quick climbing, very efficient, but also can handle some more technical terrain.
Hump
If you're really interested in an aggressive bike with less travel I'd recommend the Chromag Doctahawk. It's got a slacker HA, is designed around a bigger/badder fork, and has even less travel than this.
Love it, hate it, or meh?
Inquiring minds want to know.
High-strung efficiency or high-strung feeling? Did you put it on a clock and power meter? No? Then it's just feeling, not efficiency.
And while some people do still prefer an efficient _feeling_ ride (mostly firm tires and firm suspension, whether high PSI, lockout, or massive anti-squat) regardless of actual efficiency (which is even stupider than lockouts), it seems strange to put a tick on the "con" column for the bike _not_ fitting into that _preference_ of an actually _inefficient_ high-string setup.
My question was directly about if the Ripley actually lost efficiency or speed, as opposed to just the feeling, Because I DO NOT want that feeling. I'd rather feel some give and know that traction is maximized when hammering down, instead of the bike feeling extremely firm and thus skipping over tiny bumps and robbing me of traction when really hammering.
The article's con mentioned efficiency, I'm just trying to confirm if that efficiency was actually measured or just a feeling.
It also goes with Mike's statement that lock-outs are stupid. If that's true, then just losing the high-string feeling should not be a con, since that's the main point of lock-outs: making it feel high-strung and taut.
(Because that feeling is often wrong: stiff _feels_ quick in the instant, but isn't actually faster or more efficient in the long run. Actually more efficient to maintain maximum traction and reduce high-frequency vibrations with a bit of vertical compliance.)
Also, it doesn’t matter how good this bike is because you literally can’t buy one until October. Or maybe January. I’ve tried to give at least three Ibis dealers a chance to charge me full retail and none of them will flex on Ibis to shake on loose.
Ibis has an entire warehouse in Santa Cruz that they are doing “QC” on, yet no shops have them, no shops know where they will come in and every single shop is terrified to ask Ibis for a frame.
So eff em. There are other bikes out there and other bikes coming.
I didn't intend to suggest that it would address any of Mike's perceived cons in relation to the old model. I just wanted to highlight that he had sized down and that it probably affected his experience of the bike. But he would probably have felt it climbed a bit more efficient (due to more forward weight) and descended with a bit more confidence.
(For some reason pinkbike turns my wink smileys to three question marks)
at the high end, Shimano marketshare is down to cassettes, shifters, RDs, and chains due to their own arrogance.
That's like.... your opinion man...
Running both on different bikes, I have found Shimano drivetrains, including the new XTR, to be slightly smoother and faster in ideal conditions, but they degrade terribly in the mud. SRAM has been kind of klunky in all conditions, but not really caring about mud.
I'll go with klunky but condition-independent.
(With better bikes ????)
It has little to do with people who buy them. Like Spec seems a bit of a d... but pretty much all the folks I know riding them are cool
Wait! Noooooo!