Review: 2019 Pivot Trail 429 - A Little Bit of Travel, A Whole Lot of Fun

Apr 23, 2019
by Daniel Sapp  
The Trail 429 is Pivot's aggressive XC / trail bike, which debuted last spring. The previous version was called the Mach 429 Trail, but due to the significant updates it received the team at Pivot decided a name reversal was in order.

The 120mm bike comes standard with a 130mm fork and can be paired with either 27.5+ or 29" wheels. It has a robust parts build right out of the box, and is aimed at the crowd that is looking for a shorter travel 'do-it-all' bike.

There are several build options that are split into three categories - Team, Pro, or Race. In each category, there is a SRAM or Shimano option for the brakes and drivetrain. The top of the line Team XX1 version, outfitted with a SRAM XX1 drivetrain, Guide Ultimate brakes, Fox Factory 34 Float fork, and Reynolds Blacklabel Enduro 29 wheels sells for $8,699 USD.
Pivot Trail 429

• Intended use: XC / trail
• Wheel size: 29" or 27.5+
• Rear wheel travel: 120mm
• Carbon frame
• 430mm chainstays
• Frame weight (med, w/ DPX2 shock): 6.4 lb
• Complete weight (as tested): 28.4 lb
• 12 x 157mm rear spacing
• Sizes: XS-XL
• Price: $4,699 -$8,699 USD
• Colors: steel blue, crimson
www.pivotcycles.com, @pivotcycles

The most affordable kit is the Race XT 1x model. It has an 11-speed Shimano XT derailleur, SLX cassette and shifter, SLX brakes, Fox 34 Performance fork, and Sun Ringle Duroc wheelset for $4,699 USD.


bigquotesYes, there's a bit of a gram tax over an XC race bike, but the Trail 429 also doesn't need to be ridden with surgical precision to avoid total destruction when you venture offline, come up short, or get a little loose.Daniel Sapp







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Construction and Features

The Trail 429's frame has a nice and clean look to it, devoid of any strange swoops or bends. Compared to the previous version, there are wider pivots and larger bearings, along with ample room for longer travel dropper posts. There's room for a full-size water bottle on all frame sizes, something I think should be as standard issue as a front wheel for a bike in this category, but it's notable, nonetheless. The bottom bracket is a PF92, which isn't surprising considering that Pivot were one of the pioneers of that standard. They claim it's ideal for carbon frames, and that their frame tolerances are tight enough that they don't have any issues with creaking.

The elephant in the room is undoubtedly the 'Super Boost 157' rear axle spacing, which Pivot first introduced on their Switchblade. As Mike Kazimer wrote when the Trail 429 was launched, "Here's the quick primer: Super Boost Plus isn't a new axle spacing standard — DH bikes have used 12 x 157mm hubs for years, but on a Super Boost Plus hub the flanges are spread further apart in order to create a better bracing angle, which in turn should create a significantly stiffer wheel. Pivot claim that this equates to a 30% increase in stiffness over a boost wheel using the same DT Swiss 25mm internal width alloy rim. The wider rear spacing also allows for more tire clearance with shorter stays, and in the case of the Trail 429 there's enough room to fit up to 29 x 2.6” or 27.5 x 3.0” tires." Pivot is no longer the only brand using Super Boost spacing, and there are plenty of wheelsets and adaptors available for riders who decide to upgrade from the stock wheelset in the future.

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DW Link suspension and an integrated dirt shield.
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PF92 BB.



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Super Boost on the rear end for increased stiffness and a proper chain line with an additional 3mm of offset over standard boost.
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Cable routing is tidy with everything internal for the front triangle and then the rear brake and shift cables running along the top and bottom of the stays on the back end of the bike.



Pivot

Geometry & Sizing

The Trail 429's reach numbers are fairly typical for a modern trail bike. The size medium has a reach of 440mm, the seat tube angle is 74-degrees, and the head angle is 67.3-degrees with the stock 130mm fork and 29" wheels. The 27.5+ version uses a 17mm lower headset cup to keep the bottom bracket from being too low with those smaller wheels. That headset cup is also included with the 29" version, where it can be used to slacken the head tube angle.

I spoke with Chris Cocalis, president and CEO of Pivot about why they made the Trail 429 the way they did, choosing to go with more traditional geometry rather than going even longer and slacker.

bigquotesWe base our geometry around the intent of the bike and rider. We look at a 120mm rear/130mm front as a bike that needs to span a pretty wide spectrum from being able to be an effective XC/marathon bike to everything just shy of park riding. Of course, the sweet spot is trail riding, and for most people in most places, mountain biking doesn’t look like an EWS course. The overall geometry reflects this. It’s long and low, but at a level that maintains great balance when the rider is not at the extremes (but still progressive enough to handle the extremes).

In regards to seat angle, it’s the same goal. A super steep seat angle works ok on a longer travel bike because you’re setting the suspension sag as a % of the total travel. 25-30% sag on a 120mm bike with a shorter stroke shock is not going to have nearly the seat angle change at sag as on a 160mm travel bike. Also, as a bike that’s designed to handle a wide variety of terrain, it’s important to place the knees of the rider in the proper position over the pedal spindle to pedal efficiently and powerfully on flats, rolling climbs, steep climbs, and descents. The seat angle we arrived at reflects this level of versatility. 
Chris Cocalis


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Suspension Design

The Trail 429 uses Dave Weagle's 'DW Link' suspension design to achieve its 120mm of travel. It's a dual-short-link design that typically has a high amount of anti-squat early on, which then drops off to allow for better suspension action further into the shock's travel. It also does a good job of isolating the braking from the suspension, allowing the rear of the bike to stay fairly active, even when the rider is braking.

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Build Kit

Specifications
Price $7199
Travel 120mm
Rear Shock Fox Factory Float DPS
Fork Fox Factory 34 29", 51mm offset, FIT4- 130mm
Cassette Shimano XT M-8000 11-46t
Crankarms Race Face Aeffect SL 30t – 175mm
Rear Derailleur Shimano XTR GS 11 speed
Shifter Pods Shimano XT M8000
Handlebar Phoenix Team Carbon - 460mm
Stem Phoenix Team Enduro/Trail - 55mm
Grips Phoenix Team Padloc
Brakes Shimano XT M-8000
Wheelset Reynolds Blacklabel Enduro Wide Trail
Hubs Industry Nine
Tires Maxxis Minion DHRII 29" x 2.4" / Maxxis Rekon 29" x 2.4"
Seat Phoenix WTB Pro Vigo
Seatpost Fox Transfer 150mm



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Test Bike Setup

I set up the Trail 429 with 20% sag up front on the 130mm Float 34 fork, and between 25 and 30% on the back. Pivot include a sag meter with the shock, so set up is quick and painless.

One small but quickly fixed quibble I had with the build was with the handlebars and Pad-Loc grips. The design uses a tapered cut in the handlebar that matches with extra material on the grip in order to prevent them from ever slipping, but it limits the number of possible grip choices. In addition, the 760mm width of the bars was a little narrow for my taste. I ended up swapping the bars and grips out for a combo that worked better for me.

I also ended up swapping out the Rekon tire in the back for something with a little more bite. It's a good and fast rolling choice for a lot of areas, but I've found that in wet and muddy conditions it lacks the bite of a more aggressive tire.

2018 Pinkbike Field Test
Daniel Sapp
Location: Brevard, NC, USA
Age: 31
Height: 5'10"
Inseam: 32"
Weight: 152 lbs
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
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I spent the majority of my time on the Trail 429 at home in Brevard, North Carolina. I rode it on the more rugged, rocky and root infested trails of Pisgah National Forest where the climbs are long and the descents are fast and violent, as well as the smoother trails of nearby DuPont State Forest.


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Climbing

The Trail 429 is a great climber, and there's no need for constant switch fiddling - the back end is very well supported with minimal bob. The bike doesn't feel fragile and skittish like an XC race rig; instead, it has a solid, ready-for-anything feel. The seated climbing position was comfortable, and I never felt too scrunched up when climbing, which made all day grinds very tolerable. The position over the pedals is comfortable, and while the seat angle isn't super-steep at 74-degrees I felt as if I was where I should be to be efficient. I was relaxed while climbing whether it was for a short bit or for a couple of hours.

It's a very efficient feeling bike, and traction over roots and in technical sections of the trail didn't ever seem to be compromised, even with what feels like a substantial amount of anti-squat. The front end of the bike doesn't want to kick up or wander when things become steep or tight, and the overall length was very manageable.


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Descending

The Trail 429 is a versatile and competent 120mm trail bike. While it's nimble enough to get up the hill and maneuver around all day, it can get back down with a quickness and sureness that makes it an enjoyable ride on the climbs and descents. Yes, there's a bit of a gram tax over an XC race bike, but it also doesn't need to be ridden with surgical precision to avoid total destruction when you venture offline, come up short, or get a little loose.

Small bump sensitivity is excellent, and traction is abundant over smaller roots and rocks. There was no issue linking together lines typically reserved for bigger bikes, and it was easy to forget there was only 120mm of rear travel when rolling into jumps, drops, and other features. Of course, there are limits, and the Trail 429 can't hang with the longer and slacker options out there when it comes to taking on repeated bigger hits in chunky terrain, as well as in the high-speed rough stuff. Things can go from smooth and controlled to moderately turbulent somewhat quickly if you get into too much chop, and it was in these situations where the bike occasionally felt a little short.

Whether it's smooth and flowy singletrack, slow speed rock tech, wheelie drops to flat, or high-speed chunder, the Trail 429 finds a way to blend its short amount of travel and proper build with the right geometry to make a wide spectrum of terrain fun to ride, all while staying within the bike's limits.






Daniel Sapp rides lower Sycamore.
Pivot Trail 429

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Canyon Neuron

How does it compare?

The Trail 429 and Canyon Neuron are both dedicated trail bikes, intended to be able to handle a little bit of everything. The Canyon has 10mm more travel in the back, but the geometry numbers are similar. The Trail 429 feels more capable through and through when it comes to aggressive trail riding. It inspires more confidence when it comes time to try a sketchy line on the descent and huck and hope into the unknown. The Neuron feels a little more eager to climb due to its lighter weight, but it doesn't feel quite as solid on the descents.

In higher speed terrain, the Neuron's 10 millimeters of extra travel help it take the edge of the rough stuff, but the Pivot has a stiffer, more confidence inspiring feel to it.

One major difference between these two bikes is sizing. The Pivot is available down to an XS with 29" wheels. The Canyon swaps over to 27.5" wheels only for sizes below a medium - a major consideration for smaller riders.

As far as the price goes, both of the bikes can be built up in a similar manner looking at a middle of the road build, but the Pivot is going to cost a tad bit more money part for part - especially when you get into adding carbon wheels and such. There are more higher end builds available on the Pivot, and, likewise, you can order a complete Canyon for less than the entry level Trail 429.

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Technical Report

Shimano Drivetrain: The Shimano drivetrain on the Trail 429 was very consistent and reliable. There isn't as much range as with SRAM's Eagle drivetrain, but when it's mated with the proper front chainring for where you ride, that's not much of an issue.

Shimano XT Brakes: Shimano's XT brakes offer a lot of power but can be finicky. While there is a very positive bite, the engagement point can wander making braking inconsistent and annoying at times.

Fox Transfer Seatpost: Fox's Transfer dropper is a solid all-round choice these days. The lever isn't all that fancy, but it works and is one of the most reliable options there is.

Fox Suspension: The Trail 429 is spec'd with Fox suspension front and back. The stock fork is 130mm with 51mm of offset. I experimented with running a 140mm travel, 44mm offset Fox 36 Float on the front for a while, but I didn't notice the drastic change I was expecting, although the changes made the steering feel calm and very tight. With the heavier chassis of the 36 over the 34 the front end of the bike felt especially grounded. Descending, even with the additional amount of travel and slightly slacker head tube, the bike felt very much the same. If I had to choose, I'd go with a 140mm fork with 51mm of offset.


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Pros

+ Very versatile
+ Confidence inspiring build
+ Not an XC bike with a bigger fork
Cons

- Padloc bar / grips
- Can feel short in high speed chop



Is this the bike for you?


The Trail 429 is the bike I've been grabbing when I'm not sure where I'll end up, and I've never felt all that overwhelmed in the techgnar, or underpowered on faster trails. The Trail 429 is an extremely versatile bike. It's not fragile, and if you're looking to do a lot of riding in a variety of terrain or simply want a very capable shorter travel trail bike, it's one of the better options out there.



Pinkbike's Take
bigquotesThe Trail 429 feels 'just right' on a wide variety of terrain, and it's an excellent choice for riders in search of a true trail bike that's quick on the climbs and solid on the descents. Daniel Sapp








187 Comments

  • + 29
 Pretty solid build from a boutique company. You get Kashima suspension and a really good drivetrain and brakes. I'd skip the carbon wheels though. SC doesn't even offer Kashima for less than $9000. Before screaming "dentist bike!" or "way too expensive" look at the builds offered. No, like really look at Pivot's builds and compare them to SC or Yeti. Then still come back screaming at how expensive these are.
  • + 24
 For $7k+, I'd like something a little better than aeffect cranks.
  • - 4
flag gshep (Apr 23, 2019 at 9:07) (Below Threshold)
 Right @reks:
  • + 11
 I think SC, Pivot, and Ibis can charge a bit more for their bikes because of the bomber warranty - seems reasonable to pay a premium for that piece of mind IMO. Love the idea of this bike....
  • + 30
 @reks: Would you rather have carbon or GX level cranks and Fox Perfomance tier suspension? Cranks are cheap(er) and easy to replace. Suspension, not so much.
  • + 25
 ah yes, gotta love the massive benefits of..... a coating on suspension
  • + 14
 @stonant: It's not the coating. It's the principle. If a company is charging top dollar for a bike, it had better have top dollar components(regardless of whether it has performance benefits or not). If a company charges $9k to have top of the line suspension, and another company charges $6k for the same fancy coated suspension, then yea I take issue with it. No I'm not fine paying for more than $7k for non-fancy coating. Yes I know there's no discernible performance difference between the black and copper colors. But I still want it if I'm paying thousands of dollars for a bike. Simple.
  • + 8
 Probably hard to ride with those 460mm wide bars.
  • - 5
flag stonant (Apr 23, 2019 at 9:31) (Below Threshold)
 @Almazing: ahhh a man of principle. 'No discernable performance difference.... but the shiny coating makes it a top dollar component.'

function over form is the counter-principle to your principle. 'Really good drivetrain and brakes' that are also very cheap and not 'top dollar components' that you also mention.
  • + 6
 @stonant: Blame marketing for it. I'm a victim. In the end of the day, Pivot offers what I would like in a less expensive package, while still maintaining great brakes and drivetrain. You can't tell me that the XT brakes and drivetrain isn't at least good and reliable. Yup their street prices are fairly cheap, which is a good thing when it comes to replacing parts. And it's my perceived value on a product. I think this Pivot build minus the carbon wheels is a good value compared to what competitors are pushing out.

If you're cool with paying over $7k for a bike with non-fancy coating suspension, go for it. I am not. And that was the point of my post.
  • + 3
 @Almazing: Agree with you on final conclusion, because I will never pay over $7k for a bike, fancy coating or not. You'll find me hunting down lightly bikes in the classifieds section.
  • + 10
 While you bring up good points about Yeti and Santa Cruz offering some hidden terrible spec on things like stems and hubs etc etc. nothing more than rebound on rear shocks below 7k is my favorite. Pivot is not without their faults too. my largest issue is their naming convention, Race XT for example, only has an XT rear derailleur. If that isn't bait and switch i don't know what is.
  • + 3
 @reks: When this bike was announced there weren't any other options. Aeffect was one of the first OE's to do it.
  • + 10
 @usedbikestuff: Agreed. I believe that there is a sweet spot in most companies' offerings as far as build kits go. The more expensive you get, the less value it is. Also goes for the least expensive models. Pivot's Pro XT is one of the better sweet spots out there. But TBH, you can buy the Race XT, swap the shifter and brakes out for XTs at about $250(street price). Add another $50-60 bucks for an XT cassette, if you're so inclined, and you'd have a pretty great build.

Think about it this way... There are NX builds out there that cost as much as the Race XT. And the XT drivetrain is far superior to NX. Even the SLX is better than the NX drivetrain.
  • + 4
 You can win one here and benefit a great small but growing trail network. Raffle ends soon and you'll probably never have better odds.

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  • + 8
 I’d take Performance Elite Suspension, Kashima is played out in performance and looks IMO, for Cranks I’d go with Turbine Aluminum for cost and weight. The drivetrain GX Eagle with X01 cassette (instead of the other way around as most builds are) and the brakes those 4-pot XT’s would work just fine. As far as Wheels I’d take Carbon if I could get it, but wouldn’t complain if the hoops were high end Aluminum with DT Swiss Competition spokes and Hope Hubs. Throw in a 180-185mm dropper on a large and I’m good. Bars and saddle come down to user preference, so plan on swapping the brand components with something anyway. Make sure the rotors are both 203mm, cause why not.
  • + 1
 @Caddz: and this is exactly what I did with my sb130 frame build.. Except I tossed a 140mm pike on it and sprung for the xx1 cassette cuz u know, i needed a touch of bling factor.
  • + 2
 @reks: They are a smart move for PF92 BB. Bigger bearing, better life, less creak.
  • + 5
 @Almazing: I don't have a problem with it, if they called it an SLX build. I'd take an XD driver any day over shimano, but that's just personal preference. Especially down to the no-name hub pricepoints where getting a new freehub body means you're buying a new wheelset.
  • + 10
 Only one shock, that's soo 2019.
  • + 6
 @usedbikestuff: I would rather have an xt mech and xtr shifter than the other way round. It's the shifter that makes it all feel nicer not the mech which will need replacing sooner
  • + 2
 People need to stop it with the Kashima fanboi comments. It adds nothing to the performance of the fork/shock and purchase managers save it for the bling builds for this reason. Buy the frame and build it up your way...
  • + 3
 Ive got the reynolds wheels on a 5.5 Dont be so quick to skip them.... Taken them down some dh trails, and pro jump lines when the dh bike was down. Light, stiff, stay straight, good warranty.
  • - 1
 @chrismac70: All i am saying is call it as it is. calling a build XT because it has one component, is misleading. Call it Shimano Race, Shimano Pro, Shimano Dentist.
  • - 5
flag mhoshal (Apr 24, 2019 at 6:28) (Below Threshold)
 @Almazing: thats your own fault for riding the gimmick train there is a reason every company started using black coating after Marzocchi kash is a sales pitch and nothing more. If they said the black was better youd be all over it like a whore on a dollar bill lol and thats just plain pathetic.
  • + 7
 @mhoshal: You must feel real good about yourself for criticizing people on how they spend their money. Congratulations. It's my money to do as I please. No I'm not a dentist. But I make just as much. Having disposable income to spend on my main hobby is a nice problem to have. I'm sorry I can afford nice things.
  • + 2
 @Almazing: This exactly!
  • + 1
 @usedbikestuff: this may be unpopular, but personally I wouldn't want a shock with anything more than rebound and the rt3/ctd lever on anything under an enduro bike...
  • + 2
 @clink83: But you only get a Rebound on the SC up to 7k. so you'd still be boned. they are the only ones doing that though, fox has the ctd or whatever they call it so no one seems to have gone that route on fox equipped bikes.
  • + 1
 @Almazing: the fox tiers are not really tiers, the coating, damper, and the rest are all ala carte to the oems, so a performance shock can actually have a better damper than a factory shock and vice versa.
  • - 4
flag mhoshal (Apr 25, 2019 at 10:10) (Below Threshold)
 @Almazing: no its actually you criticizing and thinking you're superior for having a different color coating on your fork lol. Do you really think kash coating really cost hundreds more dollars for fox to use than the black coating because I can tell you for a fact it doesn't its you idiots that buy into those sales gimmick that make it worth more.
  • - 3
 Your problem is you don't ride you have fun because if you did you wouldn't care what coating was on your fork as long as it works well. There is a reason fox is the only company with with different coatings because companies like rockshox and dvo know its just a sales pitch and don't feel the need to rip thier customers off with shitty gimmicks and actually focus on the real performance but go ahead and suck the kash dick its your preference but don't come in here acting like its some superior thing because if it was than every company would be doing it and clearly they aren't.
  • + 1
 @mhoshal: Cool story bro. You know literally nothing about me. I have a lot of fun on my fancy fork coating. If you actually had reading comprehension, I acknowledged that there is NO performance gain in the Kashima in my previous posts. And I also admitted that I am a victim of marketing. Marketing works. You must feel real superior to everyone to resist marketing gimmicks. Let me break it down for you. If I'm going to be paying top of the line money on a top of the line bike, it had better have the top of the line parts offered, fancy coating included. I have a budget for my bike builds but I can afford to splurge on parts here and there. And every company can't put Kashima on their stuff since there's an exclusive deal with Fox.

I don't give a f*ck what you ride. I'm sure you're having fun on whatever the hell you're riding now. But you don't get to tell me and others here how to spend my money. You don't get to tell me what's worth buying or not on my bikes. Period. I'M SORRY YOU'RE OFFENDED BY THE WAY I CHOOSE TO SPEC AND BUILD MY BIKE.

But in any case, have a great day. I hope my choice of fork coating doesn't ruin your day or entire week for that matter.
  • + 21
 Gotten to try this bike a few times, it really is for real. Long travel bikes are fun, but a short travel trail bike like this is just so fun to chuck around. The way the shock/linkage is packaged in the newer bikes looks really good too, rather than that yoke, and the graphics packs are looking much cleaner too. Killer bike (more killer in blue!)
  • + 1
 Yes! Feels like a big bmx bike! Super fun to pop off side hits and float over a root/rock garden. Gotta ride these shorter travel trail bikes with a lighter touch and be ready to pop but when done well...oooooo weeeee are they fun!
  • + 2
 @ssip: me too. rode it and loved it so much. I want one. just fantastic, feels like way more bike than it is. super super fun bike.
  • + 3
 Agree. Would be a perfect compliment to a long travel enduro race bike
  • + 19
 I don't like the way they name it an "xt" build kit, but it is entirely slx, save for exactly one and only one part. But, I did ride one of these last year. It's a very nice bike, deceptive build kit naming aside.
  • + 6
 $4700 for an XT derailleur. Crazyness.
  • + 7
 Yup, the entire point of XT is the shifter!
  • + 13
 I built a 2017 429 up with an angled headset and a 130mm Pike this fall, so I am basically at exactly the 2019 numbers. It is a ridiculously good all-rounder. It is tremendously forgiving for my occasionally shitty lines, but I can hammer it like a hardtail XC bike when I want to and it'll accelerate and cruise beautifully.

I think this is a perfect bike for those of us (a lot more riders than realize it probably) who don't live in the PNW, or in the high country Rockies (Keystone, other parks etc). Living on the front range, riding Moab, Wyoming, etc. this bike is just about perfect. It's outgunned on an Enduro course but that's not what it's for. If you're doing a lot of trail riding this is great; you can ride far longer without wearing out from pedaling a trampoline up the hills, it can handle rowdy stuff, and it is a joy to ride. Probably the favorite mountain bike I've ever owned.
  • + 6
 Less travel is more fun!
  • + 1
 Here’s to the lucky few shredding the PNW, like me.
  • + 11
 For $5000 out the door this model should have a better shifter than the SLX which isn't instant release and isn't multi release. I think the XT is $15 more cost so this design choice is poor.
  • + 1
 Agree, the spec is pretty weird. You can find some oddities with most spec choices on many brands though. See above conversation about non-kashima on $7k Santa Cruzes.
  • + 9
 Super Boost on an XC / Trail bike.. Come on Mr Cocalis!! End this ridiculous marketing BS! The ripmo is stiff as shit, fits up to 29x2.6 tires and utilizes the same suspension design. Stop complicating the industry so much people!! Its gotten to the point where I have to know more about todays bike standards than my local bike shop. Otherwise, they will f-up the part I order.
  • - 6
flag MantisToboggan (Apr 23, 2019 at 8:26) (Below Threshold)
 Because EVERYONE knows 148 boost is too flexy and won't allow the use of 3.0 tires. smh
  • + 17
 Meh, anything that is available that will enhance the end result isn't a bad thing. Super Boost is an established standard and is out there at this point, time to move on.
  • + 3
 @Hyakian. In this catagory / travel of bike, their is nothing that proves superboost will enhance anything.. Its 120mm of travel and has its limits.. They also will not offer this as a frame only because of the super boost, which allows them to make more money off complete builds. Keep drinking the cool aid so companies can keep taking advantage of us.. The Ibis Ripmo continues to get overwhelming praise, utilizes 148 spacing, is way more capable and stiff as hell.. There is no debate here, its marketing BS!!!
  • + 3
 @Apex06: Seems like the rational for Super Boost in this application is in line given that it was designed to be ridden either as a 29'r or a 27.5 +. Regardless, it takes nothing away, so grousing about it serves absolutely 0 purpose (other than to benefit your apparent need to bitch about it). Everything changes and evolves - the fact that the marketing department chose to highlight the "feature" is hardly notable - move along.
  • + 9
 @Apex06: it is now available as a frame only through any Pivot dealer.
  • - 13
flag Apex06 (Apr 23, 2019 at 12:19) (Below Threshold)
 @Hyakian: which is it, superboost was for stiffness or 27.5+??? Again, other brands that utilize dw link have no issues with standard boost and 27.5+

Unfortunately it’s dumb shits like you that keep this circus going... thanks!!
  • - 12
flag Apex06 (Apr 23, 2019 at 12:23) (Below Threshold)
 @danielsapp: if this is true it just recently happened... The switchable and trail 429 for the longest time could not be purchased frame only.. I’m sure they got tired of people bitching and finally made it available.. the same will happen if consumers tell them to piss off with superboost..
  • + 8
 The first specialized Enduro 29 certainly had its issues, but tire fit wasn't one of them. With unbelieveably dated, ancient, worthless technology like the 142mm rear spacing it had 155mm of travel, 430mm chainstays, and fit 29x2.6 and 27.5x2.9 tires all day, and it could still use a front derailleur. ALL THIS FROM A BIKE THAT CAME OUT IN 2013!!!!
  • + 1
 @Apex06: Work at a dealer - both SB and 429T have been available as frame+shock or frame+shock+fork+headset since they launched.
  • + 2
 @hamncheez: Fun story - Specialized used what they called 142+ spacing for that bike, which was a 142mm hub with long endcaps to make that rear triangle wider, to run a shorter chainstay and have tire clearance - which is essentially what Superboost does, with an added benefit of better frame/wheel stiffness.
  • + 0
 @seanondemand: "pushes up glasses" *Achktually* 142+ was in the hub only, not the frame. I put a different wheelset on my enduro 29 that was normal 142 rear hub and it fit fine. The 142+ was to get a better chainline with 2x10 speed drivetrains.

I still ride a 2014 BMC trailfox with 142 rear spacing, 150mm of travel, and I currently have a 29x2.6 rear tire on it (just experimenting; I'm probably going to go back to 2.4). The BMC is a twin link design, so it also has to deal with a more complex linkage around the BB area. No 142+ or anything else, just 142.
  • + 1
 @hamncheez: word. dangit. *surrenders nerd license* *returns glasses*
Although now that I look at the SBC document they did run wider hub flanges (I assume for wheel stiffness) so I'll stick with being half-right.
  • + 2
 @seanondemand @danielsapp: Have you seen the prices on the 429T frame-only options? $3999 - according to my dealer. Pretty steep if you ask me.
  • + 1
 Agreed. I will never buy thuperboost.
  • - 5
flag Apex06 (Apr 23, 2019 at 18:46) (Below Threshold)
 @seanondemand: Thats complete bullshit.. Pivot themselves confirmed with me they will not sale frame only because of superboost a few months ago.. If they are allowing it now, they just started..
  • + 2
 @Apex06: I know of at least 5 people that have bought framesets starting as soon as it was released.
  • + 3
 @rjp1: yeah, they’re not cheap. It’s a good frame but definitely better value as a complete build, especially because most people will need a rear wheel too.
  • - 2
 @thejames: I'll go by what pivot cycles told me directly and what competitive cyclist has told me in the past. Send me a link to any online store that sales frame only.
  • + 2
 @Apex06: Could be an online store thing. I sold a frameset to a guy a week from the launch. Maybe our Canadian distro went rogue. Or, maybe Pivot misunderstood and thought you wanted a frame without a shock (which our distro won't do)
  • + 0
 I am looking for such a frame, but seeing boost and pf, thought nah not this one.
  • + 1
 I too hate super boost plus. I don't mind changing standards, but when there are 4 different standards, that is when things get annoying.
  • + 0
 @seanondemand: After thinking about it, you are half right. I tried my 142+ on a regular 142 frame, and it fit on, but there wasn't enough clearance for the chain. So 142+ was backwards compatible with 142, but not the other way around. Just like super duper boost mega 157++ bang bang.
  • + 1
 @seanondemand: not true...
  • + 1
 @rjp1: It comes with a carbon NEXT SL crank and BB, The frame retails for $3300 similar to other bikes in its category the crank adds the additional cost as its a custom SB Plus crank.
  • + 1
 @Apex06: Lulz man...

Happy to do my part to keep the circus going because it's brought us to the place where we are today with bikes, which is amazing. Shit will come and go and the market will sort itself out, but I doubt highly that we'll see this standard go away.

Who says you have to choose? In some cases rear subframe stiffness may be the rational, however in the case of 27.5 + the extra space also gives engineers more wiggle room to work with when it comes to making everything fit with acceptable tolerance (thinking tire and crank clearance at the chain stays near the BB).

You've picked a really insignificant detail to get all worked up about - good luck with that. Don't like it, vote with your wallet, and go ride, then ride some more. If a simple thing like an axle width/spacing gets you this worked up maybe think about getting your blood pressure checked.
  • + 0
 @Hyakian: Thank you oh great mountain bike buddha; your wisdom is most appreciated and I will spread your message across the cycling / Dentist kingdom.. All hail Superboost!!!!! It has arrived by the great cycling brand Pivot and it will save us from the horrible 148 boost design that has flawed our insanely long flexy chainstays on our 120mm trail bikes. Christ Cocalis, our personal lord and savior has sacrificed his blood sweat and tears to develop the most forward thinking rear hub design so that we can update wheels/hubs, crank spindles, chainrings.. We will spend thousands in the name of innovation for 9mm of rear hub spacing! Even though other brands seem to have the same results with the old 148 spacing.. But f*ck those other brands, for Picot Cycles is the way, the truth, and the path to righteousness!!!! I have seen the light Hyakian, thank you!!!
  • + 2
 @Apex06: Hey man, I didn't say you had to ride a bike that utilizes it did I? I just pointed out that all of your bloviating is pointless unless of course you are wanting to come across as a winy beotch (well done by the way). But, by all means, keep on keeping on,
  • - 5
flag Apex06 (Apr 24, 2019 at 15:03) (Below Threshold)
 @Hyakian: ah, you’re an ass clown ???? slave.. no point in arguing with the sheep
  • + 4
 Thuperboost is thuperstiffer, blah blah blah....my 30mm carbon rims make my wheels so laterally stiff you can keep your wunderflange spacing and I'll keep my nice boost hubs.
  • + 2
 @Apex06: No brah, just a lot more chill than you.
Butt, you know, keep on rolling the way you are, it's a good look for you.

And, yeah, if supporting supper b00st riles you up, I'm going to make sure it's on every bike I purchase until MegaB00st is available.
  • + 9
 It costs a pretty penny, that's for sure, but i feel there are a handful of "boutique" brands who actually deserve the reputation, and Pivot is one of them. They started their way with super high-quality frames, and that hasn't changed. Pair that with a good (DW) suspension design and a very solid spec. Add the fact they finally modernized their geometry... good stuff.
  • + 8
 I demoed this bike a month ago, and it's seriously fast. I also rode Neuron and it's a win for the 429, although the Neuron feels like it can handle bigger hits better. Shame that about the super boost and that apparently the 429 can't fit wider tires.
  • + 11
 I've run a mix of tires on this bike with no issues, up to a 2.6, and still had room leftover so the tire clearance isn't an issue.
  • + 1
 @danielsapp: Gotcha, probably another bike that I was thinking of.
  • + 7
 "Also, as a bike that’s designed to handle a wide variety of terrain, it’s important to place the knees of the rider in the proper position over the pedal spindle..." Thank you Mr. Cocalis! So glad someone in the industry gets this.
  • + 7
 A review of a trail bike that performed great as a trail bike? Most of us don’t need, and don’t ride to the level that justifies a 160mm 29er couch-bike. 120mm worked great! ...um yes. I couldn’t tell the difference with different offset fork...wow surprise. I’m not knocking the review, just the subtext that a 120-130mm trail bike is somehow a lesser trail bike when in truth most of us should be riding one. Unfortunately many will still pine to ride the 160mm Uber-bike ‘required’ for that one local enduro they do a year...if that...
  • + 5
 "Cable routing is tidy with everything internal for the front triangle and then the rear brake and shift cables running along the top and bottom of the stays on the back end of the bike."

Picture should be updated with the one that shows the giant loop under the BB. Not that tidy compared to many other bikes where it counts.
  • + 7
 But the real question... WHY DOESN'T THE KASHIMA ON FORKS MATCH THE KASHIMA ON SHOCKS?!
  • + 1
 They use more coats of the material on the shocks, so it ends up darker. (or so I've been told)
  • + 3
 Just once I'd love to read a Pinkbike review of a short-travel trail bike that didn't boil down to how it actually feels like it has more travel. If they all feel like they have more travel, than maybe it's a marketing cliche, guys.
  • - 1
 Glad to see their is someone else who doesn’t buy into the bs

I think all the marketing / cliche bs is for newbies.. people who are getting into the sport and haven’t been exposed to the same shit over and over.

When you question their bs, it’s shut down with, don’t stop innovation man!!
  • + 2
 At least they put a DPX2 on it so it performs under hard use.
  • + 2
 Cyclists are a slow bunch to learn. They're just teaching us that the old way of defining a bike by it's travel numbers is no longer a relevant way of thinking.. Wink
  • + 3
 A pound lighter and normal boost rear and I probably would have bought one. I have ridden this bike and its definitely a solid and beefy trail bike. Comparing it to the old 429T they are quite different, the new bike moved it further away from XC and deeper into the trial category. Curious to see what the new XC race bike from Pivot looks like. Due for an update.
  • + 3
 Sick bike. I would definitely love to own one just for trail riding and tooling around.. but I don't think this will capture the XC race scene. I can see it being uses as a Ultra-Endurance bike where weight doesn't matter as much as comfort, but I doubt we'll be seeing a ton of these at local XC races.
  • + 3
 This isn't an XC bike, I dunno why anyone would think racers would buy it for that. You could certainly be a trail rider who does the odd XC race and enjoy this bike though.
  • + 3
 This is probably the bike I needed, but the Mach 5.5 was the bike I wanted and I love it, but I too had issues with the XT 2 piston brakes, enough so that they sent me OTB, changed them to the 4 piston ones and no more issues, and I also don’t like being stuck with Pad loc grips, not that they’re bad, I would just like to have the option to try different grips, without having to buy a new bar.
  • + 1
 Exactly where I'm at! This bike probably makes the most sense to me, but boy is my Mach 5.5 fun especially at speed through rougher stuff. I'm quite confident the 429 would have no trouble with that though. Tried the firebird 29 and was surprised how much I hated the climbs on it (didn't expect it to be great, just better than it was). Although it did confirm that for me (riding XL) 29 would be the better wheel size.
  • + 2
 Another fellow Mach 5.5 rider here. I usually flip bikes often. I'll ride the Mach 5.5 for a while.
  • + 4
 I was looking into this bike a while back...dw link bikes are great at climbing. The press fit bottom bracket turned me away. Something Santa Cruz and Ibis do very well....threaded bb Smile
  • + 2
 "They claim it's ideal for carbon frames, and that their frame tolerances are tight enough that they don't have any issues with creaking."

The fact that I had to get a thread-in PF BB to eliminate creaks on my Mach 6 disputes this claim.
  • - 4
flag JohanG (Apr 23, 2019 at 17:35) (Below Threshold)
 A thread in press fit? Fascinating.
  • + 1
 @JohanG: Made by wheels manufacturing. An elegant solution to a stupid problem.
  • + 1
 @Trouterspace: oh yeah. Forgot about those. I even have one. I use it with loctite 609 on the press fit surfaces (grease on the threads) and it works great.
  • + 2
 I'm a Pivot owner (latest Mach 6) and have ridden the 5.5 as well (and a few old Titus Racer-Xs back in the day). Both seem a bit more planted and less jumpy than I'd prefer. I'm sure that's desireable to some. How did the Trail feel?
  • + 3
 I demoed both the Mach 6 and 5.5 last month and agree. They both are more of a solid and planted, smash through stuff type of bikes. They didn't quite have the pop I prefer. Nothing wrong with that of course and would suit the rocky terrain Pivot developed their bikes in but I've tried other bikes with similar travel that had a little more of a livelier character.
  • + 2
 When I rode the Trail 429, I thought it was about the right amount of progressive. You could really pop off the suspension. However, you do pay for that when it *feels* like you're going to go OTB now and then, since it does ramp up quickly towards the end of it's 120mm of travel. I never did go over, but coming from my own bike, there were a few moments where I expected the Pivot to suck the bump up, and it did, but it kicked harder than I was calibrated for.
  • + 2
 I am on a 18' M6 as well and would say it definitely has plenty of pop, not that of a Patrol but I don't think it's lacking in that area at all. That being said the T429 has more pop than my M6. It's a super fun bike when your not riding super chunky trails. 433m chain stays makes it super agile through the tight stuff
  • + 2
 @adventuresbycole: maybe it's my '18 Fox X2. I tried a DPX2 and it was a bit more lively
  • + 1
 @spenceratx: This could be true, I am on a DVO Topaz with the small can maxed at 200. I know when I get down to 180 it does feel more sluggish.
  • + 3
 If I had a separate big bike to take to the park with me, this seems like would be about my perfect every day ride for the New England woods. It seems a good entry in a very fun class of bikes.
  • + 2
 Super fun bike but not at all durable enough for more than a trail bike. Pivot gave me one to ride for a few months and while I enjoyed it enough to want to buy one, I was burying the rear tire into the seat tube. I had 8mm clearance between the tire and the seat tube with the shock 100% fully compressed. I still managed to wear into the carbon with the tire even at 22% sag (less sag = harder to get through full travel). I'm 6ft 135lbs by no means a big rider and I've been a professional mechanic for 17 years selling Pivots for 7 years now. 8mm flex at full compression from the frame to make me a bit cautious as to the durability of riding this bike to the potential of fun it delivers.
  • + 1
 Just for clarity, this was the same model bike as in this article?
  • + 1
 @JohanG: Yes Sir. 429 Trail.
  • + 2
 @bmxconvert: This is the Trail 429.
  • + 4
 The name change is confusing AF. Can you imagine if Specialized released a 2020 Jumpstumper and completely changed the bike? People would lose it.
  • + 3
 I'd have one, perfect bike for most of my riding duties. PF BB cops a lot of flack but has never caused me an issue , come to think of it screw in has given me more aggro.
  • + 4
 I'm sure it's fine, but that under bottom bracket cable routing looks dangerous AF. And unsightly.
  • + 2
 I had a Scout with that routing but it was never below the chainring and it was total fine but I wasn't crazy about it. The way it is here does not look good.
  • + 1
 @mtbschrader: Just purchase Eagle AXS and your problem is solved ! Wink
  • + 2
 I didn't read the review. Just stared at the pics to try to figure out where the hell D.D. is standing to get the damn pics.
I'm all like "Dude had to crawl through a lot rhodo & downed Hemlock to get that shot". Wink
  • + 2
 I've owned my 429 for over a year. Love this bike. I ride hardtails 60% of the time...so when I jump back on this steed...I sure appreciate its slack head angles and plush suspension.
  • + 3
 Like the 429 but love the Ripley, with the new one out this weekend I’ll wait and compare before spending.
  • + 0
 Thanks for sharing
  • + 3
 I’ve ridden this bike. Easily the best machine I’ve ridden. The ride of DW link is worth the money.
  • + 2
 got this bike a couple months ago. put the front tire to the rear and got a bigger font tire. super impressed how this thing rides. really fast and a lot of fun.
  • + 3
 Wondering which size you tested? 5'10" is right at the cusp of Med and Large. Thanks!
  • + 1
 I was on a medium.
  • + 1
 The way the article is written, it's unclear if the Pivot (or even the Canyon) can accommodate 2 wheel sizes or if the frames are designed to take only one wheel diameter depending on frame size.
  • + 0
 I have never understood the argument that wider hubs allow for more tire clearance. The tires have to fit between the chain stays not the axle mount. What they should say is that a wider hub moves the cassette out from center which requires the chain ring to move outward as well in order to maintain the proper chainline. This requires a wider crank spinde. Suddenly there is room to move the crank arms and chainstays out and we have tire clearance. What's the cost? Increased Q-factor. No big deal right. Here's the problem I have noticed... As Q-factor becomes wider pedal clearance is reduced when cornering. This doesn't matter if you never have to pedal through a corner but on flatter terrain you may want to pedal through the turns to maintain momentum. If two bikes have the same bottom bracket height, the one with the narrower Q-factor will be less likely to experience pedal strikes while pedaling through a corner.
  • + 1
 The Q factor on a SuperBoost bike is exactly the same as it is on a Boost bike. The increased tire clearance comes from moving the teeth of the chainring outboard which is accomplished by a different shaped chain ring, not extending the crank spindle. The wider hub gives you a proper chainline with the SB chain ring and allows you to space out the hub flanges to create a wheel that's 30% more laterally stiff than Boost. Go to this link and click on the FAQ about hub spacing if you'd like to learn more: www.pivotcycles.com/en/bike-trail-429-1#faqs
  • + 2
 @jtpentecost: Cool, thanks for the info.
  • + 1
 @jtpentecost: it literally states they utilize a special raceface spindle for their superboost frames..
  • + 1
 It does allow for shorter chainstays but riders of L or XL sometimes don't want shorter chainstays.
  • + 3
 28lbs+ for a 120mm frame with a fox 34... I dont know about that. Especially with the PF BB amd 157 rear axle. I say no.
  • - 1
 I had the 2017 Mach trail 429, I got the pro xt race model for around $8000 Canadian, within a month I had play in the fork stanchions and a week or two after that I had play in the bushings, I got new bushings and two months later I needed new ones again and bearings and the Canadian rep was useless and ignored contact until my shop or I got upset. They sent me new bushings, bearings and a rear triangle I didn’t need and I sold the bike in hardly ridden shape because it was always at the shop. I bought a trek fuel ex 9.9 and it’s twice the bike. Not a great experience for me with Pivot
  • + 2
 ...when the dropper post has more travel than the rear shock... we are in strange new times...
  • + 6
 Pretty common now with lots of people using 170 to 200mm droppers.
  • - 1
 Wut? Have you been living under a rock?

I haven’t ridden a dropper shorter than 150mm in five years, current droppers are all 170mm on three bikes: XC 120/140, Enduro 140/160, and hardtail 120mm.

You missed the boat.
  • + 1
 @nurseben: my bike’s got 150mm of travel in both the dropper and rear. But seems fitting that you’d get rowdier on a 150mm travel bike than a 120
  • + 3
 I wonder how this would compare to the new Giant Trance 29er??
  • + 2
 heavier, stiffer, pedals better
  • + 2
 152lb test rider!!where’s the 200lb test riders?? Last time I was 152lb was in 7th grade
  • + 2
 As a 200# rider, I do appreciate that this bike isn't for weight weenies! Bring on the heavy frames!
  • + 4
 @hunter1031: he is 5'10. If was 5'10 and 200lbs he would be overweight. Or built like Richie rude.
  • + 3
 #downcountryaintdead
  • - 2
 "proper position over the pedal spindle to pedal efficiently" KOPS (knee over pedal spindle) has no basis in physics or physiology.It has simply become lazy shorthand for 'bike fitters' to relieve gullible people from their hard earned (or not,if you are a dentist) cash.
That said........I do hate steep seat angles.
  • + 10
 Hey. we [dentists] work hard for our money. I ain't joking either. All of us also don't just buy expensive bikes w/o riding them hard.
  • + 22
 @drpheta: I went to Dirtfest a couple years back. Ended up camping with three dentists in their 50s - 60s. They were up at like 8 every morning and rode all day until like 7 when they got back and drank and smoked until they were blackout. All of them were on aluminum bikes that looked like they'd been through the ringer. Never again will I make a dentist bike joke.
  • + 3
 The knee over the spindle part is stupid, but what hes saying about rear suspension sag is right on point. Anything steeper than 76 degrees in the seat tube is too much for short travel bikes and hard tails. Even on longer travel bikes, having a steep seat tube angle on flats or slight inclines puts a ton of weight on your hands and wrists. Is not that comfortable unless you are really pointing up steep stuff (then its awesome).
  • + 3
 @drpheta: The dentist joke thing is played way out.. There's some of us lowly tradesmen out there that can easily afford these bikes.. Opted for the SB130 myself.. They aren't these holy grails of unattainability people..
  • + 3
 @bohns1: ya, and what idiot ever pays full MSRP on a bike anyways?
  • + 2
 @hamncheez: yep.. Its always been frame only for me, built with mostly existing parts.. Couple that with 15% off from my lbs and it's not all that bad.
  • + 1
 I apologise to all the the Dentists out there.
Now chiropodists,they can kiss my @r$£.
  • + 1
 I pay to have my road and XC bikes fitted and the "knee over pedal myth" results in me being a gear or two faster on the climbs, more comfortable, and my suspension works better. If you wanna ride a janked up fit go right ahead.
  • + 1
 @clink83: interesting, are you tailoring geo towards better kops at average climb gradient?
  • + 1
 @WoodenCrow: I have all my bikes fitted on a level platform with a flat saddle, so the idea is to be roughly 45 degree torso angle, 30 degree leg angle, bent arms. If you're balanced over the bottom bracket properly your suspension will work better, and you'll be more comfy in the long run. I have nerve damage in my arms and hands so getting my bike set up is vital for me.
  • + 2
 What bottle cage/tool is that?
  • + 1
 naked bear in the woods......why bother with internal rooting of cables with the that catch-line hanging from the bb
  • + 2
 Thats a pretty narrow bar

"Handlebar Phoenix Team Carbon - 460mm"
  • + 1
 Demo’d On local trails; Loved it.
Just need to win the lottery now,
I’m no dentist
  • + 1
 On paper it seems very similar to a Tallboy, would have loved a comparison.
  • + 1
 Looked at this frame but just got a Smuggler and love it! That would have been a pretty good comparison too.
  • + 1
 Never said more travel is better. Are you comparing the v2 5010 XT prices? Suspension platform is a preference.
  • + 1
 Would be perfect if this came in an XXL size.
  • + 1
 When you weigh in at 150 lbs, doesnt everything climb well ?
  • + 1
 Pretty racey with 460 wide bars!
  • + 0
 Dirt Shield: Catching all the gunk and water off your tire and conveniently storing it right next to the pivot bearings.
  • + 0
 74 Deg seattube angle, what is this 2017?!
  • - 1
 Just say it. It's a down country bike.
  • - 1
 Pad-Loc ????
  • + 5
 I actually prefer it but I am probably the minority. It feels better on very long rides where my ulnar nerve got squished on other bars. To be fair the only time that's mattered is when I've ridden 30+ miles.
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