Descending
Most of my time aboard the Rocky Mountain took place in dry conditions. I did get one week of hero dirt before the Southwestern summer kicked in, which may have been my happiest moments aboard the Altitude. Give this bike a twisty trail with unexpected drops and short punchy climbs, and it comes to life. Add tacky dirt and the Altitude 30 turns a downhill trail into a theme park ride. I thought I was over 27.5-inch wheels, but this bike reminded me of why the stopwatch is so often the enemy of enjoyment.
Rocky's Altitude is a world apart from the slack and angry race bike designed to straighten every bend and chisel rock gardens into gravel - but you'll still want to push it hard on the downs. Pretend you are going to take it easy, but after you drop in, its just-right feel in the cockpit and balance of stability and responsive steering will have you braking late, charging corners and playing off features in short order.
I'm sure that my times would have dropped if the Altitude had 29-inch wheels, but the moral of this paragraph is that if you are always concentrating on things like wheel size, KOM's, and suspension kinematics while you are descending, you're not having a great time and your bike probably sucks. I'll take seamless communication between bike and rider over top speed and technology - that's what a good trail bike is all about.
Handling can be summed up as "direct and predictable," I wouldn't pick the Altitude 30 for a part-time bike park shredder. Its rear triangle will start to flex when you bash it into rough, high-speed berms and its shock can't handle continuous high-amplitude impacts. A true trail bike, the Rocky is happiest on fast-paced natural terrain and flow trails With its hard-pack Maxxis Aggressor rear tire, the tail end will drift predictably before the front tire breaks, which is a huge confidence builder at speed. Drifting and sliding, however, is not this bike's MO, it would rather carve the short line around corners. Pick your line and the Altitude will trace it. I found that its steering is a little faster and more responsive than I am comfortable with at top speed, but I never had any dramatic moments because of it.
The up-side of that is the Altitude can change direction at fast-paced trail speeds just by thinking about it, which makes charging down unfamiliar trails an enjoyable game. The front stays planted and rarely pushes when forced into a tight corner, but it is still light enough to snatch the front wheel off the ground for an unanticipated huck.
The Ride 9 Option Up to this point, all of the riding impressions were reported with the Ride 9 chip in the number five, neutral position, which begs the question: "How much would slacking out the geometry improve the Altitude's downhill performance?" The short answer is, "a little."
Ride 9 geometry in the #1 low and slack position.
On paper, the number one position only reduces the head tube angle from 65.5 to 65 degrees, but an increase in the suspension's rising rate from 34.5 to 45.7 percent requires more sag which drops the head tube angle at ride height closer to 64.5 degrees. Positive effects are slight, but noticeable improvements in the bike's straight-line stability, less fork dive while braking and bashing down steep chutes, and a better feel when cornering at top speed.
Negatives are less available rear suspension travel because the pronounced end-stroke ramp-up requires more sag on one end and larger hits to achieve full travel on the other. The steering feels lazy at trail speeds, especially while climbing. Pedaling firmness is compromised and the bottom bracket becomes so low that I began to pick climbing trails specifically to avoid rock and root strikes.
To take full advantage of the Altitude in its low and slack mode, you'd probably need to upgrade to a coil shock. A linear spring would allow you to set the sag at 25 percent to adjust the ride height. It would reactivate the small-bump sensitivity, moderate the end-stroke ramp up to a useful value - and add another $800 to the bike's MSRP.
Oh shit did somebody order medium roast
Other than that, it’s great to see more reviews of affordable bikes as compared to the 8k+ superbikes. Anything to get more people into the sport is welcome in my book.
This bike looks fun
Now proposal. E-bike content was supposed to be censored for the North American audience. I'd recommend e-bike comments from the North American audience (especially in a non e-bike article) is getting censored too. Just to keep the place tidy. And for their own good, of course.
As the adjustment seems to be an issue (good or bad) here, it would be interesting to see this one compared to the Rose Pikes Peak which also offers on the fly suspension adjustment. Limited to four settings, which may be suited to those who feel overwhelmed by having those nine settings.
This was a more extreme case, but it shows the potential of the feature. For most, I'll tell them it has adjustable geo, but they'll probably never touch it, because - as RC mentions - it works great in the neutral setting. However, it's the outliers that tend to benefit the most from Ride-9, not the size-mediums. It doesn't provide nine different options for every rider, it just gives a couple very useful options that can help cover every rider's needs.
edit: I'm basically echoing the sentiments @vinay gives above. He's spot on.
THIS. So glad to see someone else say this. I’ve thought the same since I’ve seen them on the trail
Haha
That said, I'm sure there are many places where there is overlap in what fasteners are appropriate and engineers haven't stepped back to see the bigger picture of wrenching before choosing
And $3000 isn't really the low end of good bikes. Even sticking with full suspensions you can actually buy in a store, bikes like the Giant Stance and Marin Rift Zone are available under $2000 and that's not even looking at direct to consumer brands.
Everyone else: That's how markets work! Enough people willing to spend $8,000 and obsess about grams and number of carbon bits and gear count and range that other people can and will keep charging $8,000, or more, for marginal gains. There are also enough people that only want to spend $1,500, and wouldn't know where to start counting grams, and will get actual gains just from getting out there right now instead of saving up for 4x the price and almost unnoticable gains at their experience level.
And switching to the UK I see £2700?
Are you guys adding in tax?
last Sunday. It was a fine bike but I will never own another one after riding a good 29er.
Aren't choices still good? They make the Instinct if 29 is your thing.
Ultimately, I really appreciate what Specialized (on the SJ) and YT do when they realize there are fans of both wheel sizes and they just make a version of the same bike for both 27 and 29. It's a little extra engineering, sure, but I would think you would sell more bikes since you can cater to both preferences and not turn off people adamantly opposed to one size or the other.
The only (really a non-issue) issue I've ever had is that the first free sprocket (the upper 6-7 are on 2 alloy carriers) seems to always be one that I use a lot and it notches up my freehub and becomes a pain to remove the alloy carriers! Gotta get that steel freehub body on order!
(Would love to try Shimano 12sp though, sounds like it's actually the best ever, but I'm boycotting since they won't let Hope make a freehub which means I can't run it on my wheels, and needing new wheels for a new drivetrain is even worse than them implying you need a new crankset for a new drivetrain!).
It find it is really is 3 positions x 3 BB & 3 Shock firmness adjustments.
Steep - Medium - Slack
High - Medium - Lower
Stiff (sits higher until medium hits) - Default (\small hits get shock working). - Softer (squishy and compliant)
Primarily this means you don't need to add volume spacers to my DPX2 to adjust the shock. You can adjust the Ride-9 setting. It is also worth noting that the DPX2 compression switch works very well on this bike and further adapts the suspension curve while riding. I use it all the time. (mostly trail rides)
I run mine in the #9 position for pedally trails up and down trails and #3 or #1for lift riding.
Anyone can adjust the chips on the trail or in the parking lot so I disagree that it's too complex for most riders.
It's easy to experiment and riders find what they like.
I LOVE the system. Makes my previous Yeti seem like a 1 trick pony.
On a separate note, my bike came with a 34 front ring which is essentially useless for trail riding.
With the SRAM 11 x50t GX Eagle, only the top 3 gets map even close to a 1x10 drivetrain so the 12 speeds do not give you any extra gears. I suggest dropping to either a 32 (that's what I'm using now) or a 30. A 32t ring will give you one extra easier gear for low-end power. Using a 30 front ring gives you 2+ easier gears, and means that your active gears are mid way in the cassette where the spacig is closer between the cogs for more efficient changes. If you are pedalling a lot in XC mode, run the 30. (counterintuitive I know)
M.
Follow the PB reviews and you'd realize how little does the review to really describe the differences in bike handling and suspension performance between bike brands and suspension layouts. Especially Horst vs Single pivot produces bikes with completely different characteristics and typically a rider would prefer only one type of suspension layout.
What you give people is how you feel about the bike, what people want is info which would let them visualize how they would feel and here you fail miserably. So maybe instead of laughing at comment section you could try to give some scale of stiffness, comfort, handling etc.
I love my personal fleet of Devinci bikes, and up until about 2016 they were an excellent value, at least in Canada. However, their pricing has gone the way of Santa Cruz in recent years. I'm going to give a hard pass to the new Spartan when companies like YT give me 95% of the frame performance with significantly better components for 2/3 the price.
Anyway, let's put the weight factor on side, overall it is damn nice bike!
I have the Allow 70 with DPX2 and Fox 36 (1 extra volume spacer).
The most surprising thing in the bike... the Duroc rims.
Sure maybe the rear is a bit flexy and the shock might heat up under a real ripper, but you also praised the bike as being great for both newbs and top-level riders. So the fast rider swaps out the shock, and maybe the NX stuff and/or wheels eventually, and both of them just deal with the flexy rear because it's still better than we had 5 years ago and it didn't ruin anyone then.
Would be one of my top choices if I had to replace my old 2008 Slayer SXC that still works... so well.
Looking forwards an alloy version of the latest Slayer, one day, but probably preferring that `do-it-all` kind of bike, considering that the Instinct is an excellent option too.
For now, my good old Slayer does the job, and don`t think I`m gonna break it on purpose just to buy another bike!
Telling us the rebound clicks without knowing the spring pressure and without knowing how many clicks the manufacturers recommend for that pressure is just stupid.
We'll put . Fast is not always a measure of enjoyment on a bike.
At the low end of OEM pricing, I would figure something form Manitou or XFusion would get you better performance for the price, but gotta have those main brand logos on your bike if you want it to sell well.
I just put in a slightly larger volume spacer to get it to not be so linear ????♂️
Then for park days I slap it in the slackest option... ????????
It's Deluxe. Also, welcome to the world of under 5k bikes guys. That's one small step for a PB reviewer, one giant leap for mankind.
A hidden but required upgrade.
I wonder what's the bb height, it doesn't look low, somewhere just shy of 350mm?
I feel that 27.5" is superior to 29" in small & medium sizes for this type of riding/ size rider.
I am not sure when these same PNW companies started putting more of their cables below and around the bottom bracket. I always thought that up-high cables were a cool design choice.
That said, the manufacturers who don't spec a bash on a design with under-BB routing are just Doing It Wrong.
And they realized that the high-routing didn't actually help anything "protection"-wise, especially as housings went full length and then internal.
Now, I’m over it. Had 2 Santa Cruz bikes before...
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Some shrink wrap or cable shielding would protect them well enough but it's a band fix for sure. I don't like cables there either
Not getting my $$$.
NO THANK YOU.
Lets see, Rocky posts Canadian pricing on their webpage, and Pinkbike (while Canadian based) has readers all over the world... hmm... what makes the most sense for them to publish in, perhaps a unit that is (for the moment) the international standard currency against which all others are measured...
Oh, and if you bothered to visit Rocky's website, you would find that the Canadian pricing is $3,799.
Quit being the victim of focus groups.
The USD is a lie. How they have managed to dupe the world for this long is incredible.
Price in CDN is clearly on bikes.com website.
If you think the price is too high, then learn how to say that.
You're bitching that an astoundingly capable bike, with an excellent review, moderate end parts, reasonable weight, and solid warranty with excellent dealership network is bad value because... you don't like the Canadian dollar exchange rate?
It's almost like a Canadian company like Rocky has to order most of their parts via the United states, and has to deal with import fees and taxes just like any other company out there... weird.
Oh, and where can you find a bike that has these specs for less than 3k? Hmmm... not even YT with their quantities of scale can meet those requirements. Its ALMOST like that on top of making bikes, some of these companies want to, you know, pay their staff and MAYBE even turn a profit? Weird I know.