Review: Schwalbe Eddy Current eMTB Tires

Nov 23, 2018
by Paul Aston  
August Aston Product


Schwalbe has brought to market a product that many eMTB riders have been waiting for, even if they didn't know it. The Eddy Current combo is comprised of a heavyweight, plus-sized option for the back of the bike that promises massive climbing traction, and a 29" x 2.4" front tire for steering predictably – exactly what most performance motorbike have used for decades.

Most of Schwalbe's tires, other than the 'Hans Dampf', get a fun alliterative name, but the Eddy Current is another exception to the rule. Eddy current is defined as 'a localized electric current induced in a conductor by a varying magnetic field,' so marks to Schwalbe for bringing a physics theory into the name and still ticking the 'something to do with electricity for e-bikes' box. Electric Eddy would have been too easy, I assume.


Schwalbe Eddy Current Tire Details
• Front and rear specific
• Addix soft compound
• Super Gravity carcass
• Sizes front: 27.5 x 2.8"; 29 x 2.4, 2.6"
• Sizes rear: 27.5 x 2.8" and 29 x 2.6"
• Weight front: 1300g (actual 29 x 2.4")
• Weight rear: 1362g (actual 27.5 x 2.8")
• MSRP: $103 USD
e-biketires.com

The sizing isn't the only similarity to 'real motorbikes' – the tread patterns of the Eddy Current's are nearly identical to that found on trials motorbikes. But it's a copy with good reason - trials motorbikes, yes, all of them, for decades have used the same basic tread pattern – they don't have different tires for conditions and every brand's offering looks nearly identical.

Currently, the Eddy's are only available with the heavyweight Super Gravity casing, and Addix Soft rubber compound. 27.5" x 2.8" for the rear with the 'square block' pattern, and 29" x 2.4" for the front with rectangular blocks. They are not light, or cheap, with the front tire coming in around 1300g, and the rear closer to 1400g, priced at $103 USD.


More rectangular blocks make up the tread on the front tire.
And square blocks on the rear,


Construction and Details

The plus bike phase feels like it has almost passed. The concept seemed promising at first, but for more aggressive riders it ended up delivering flexy, unstable tires when going fast and too many pinch punctures. They have their place though; if my dad wanted a new mountain bike I would suggest a plus-tire equipped machine; he would get the benefits of comfort, rollover, and grip, without ever riding hard enough to find them flexing or to pinch them.

Plus-size tires then made their way on to many eMTBs, which makes sense in some ways, but putting thin, flimsy 2.8" rubber under a much heavier chassis and potentially higher speeds is only going to increase the flex, roll, and the likelihood of a puncture.


Eddy rear mounted on a 38mm rim and measured at the tread...

... and mounted on a 38mm rim and measured at the carcass.

The closest I found to what I would call a usable, large volume tire for eMTB was an unlikely candidate from Surly called the Dirt Wizard. They were heavy with a good tread pattern, decent rubber compound, and tough carcass. These Schwalbe's promised to go one better with even more weight, which is a good thing for eMTB's, and the terrain they are capable of tackling – heavier weight means a stronger tire and a stiffer carcass in general.

The Eddy uses Schwalbe's tried and trusted Super Gravity Generation II casing which now uses five layers of material across the tire, similar to a dual-ply DH tire, but thinner layers are used under the tread blocks, where they are naturally protected more against punctures. The thinner casing here decreases rolling resistance and increases grip by allowing the tire to absorb bumps more easily and conform to the ground better. The Apex layer that spans the whole carcass has also been changed from rubber to a new fabric version, which Schwalbe say is their best line of defense against cuts.

Eddy front mounted on a 30mm rim and measured at the tread...
... and mounted on a 30mm rim and measured at the carcass.

Schwalbe claims that their new Addix Soft compound has 20% less rolling resistance, 12% more grip, 4% more damping, and 49% more durability over their previous Trailstar compound. Bold claims - and without a lab in the garage, we will have to take their word for it. Out of the four Addix compounds, this is the second softest and grippiest in the range, offering great grip for aggressive riding without the glue-like feel of the purple Ultra-Soft which is focused more on downhill and racing. Schwalbe says that rolling resistance wasn't even considered on the Eddy, as they decided grip, weight, durability were the focuses. Despite that, they claim the tread pattern only rolls 5.5% slower than an equivalent Magic Mary. The main difference in the rolling resistance, in this case, comes from the angled leading edge on a Mary, compared to the square edge on Eddy - this square edge increases the bite for climbing, something that is more important on an eMTB.

The tread pattern itself looks like a trials motorbike tire, but there are a few key differences. After every two blocks on the edging tread, there is a gap to allow mud to clear; this space aligns with three center blocks. Aligned between the pairs of edge blocks there are only two center blocks. This is to allow better mud clearance and more bite into soft terrain – trials moto tires have more focus on gripping to things like rocks, logs, and vertical walls, so the tread pattern is closer and their extreme low pressure actually let the tire bite on to obstacles as the casing deforms. The other slight difference is the siping on the center blocks themselves; on the rear tire, the square cut into the top of the block is deeper perpendicular to the tire to give more accelerating and braking traction. On the front tire's center blocks, there are only sipes in-line with the direction of front tire for more sideways traction when turning.






Ride Impressions

I mounted the Eddy Current tires to my Specialized Kenevo test rig and headed up the hill. My first impression was that they seem to roll and accelerate better than I was expecting. Of course, mounted to an eMTB, weight and rolling resistance are much less important than when purely using your own steam to get up a hill. Heading into my test climb, the grip on the rear was exceptional and they out gripped anything else I have used on an eMTB. The combination of compound, tread, and casing worked together well to stick to the smooth ground as well as molding around rocks and roots, almost never spinning or skidding.

Heading down the first run, after having previous days being littered with punctures using the Butcher Grid casing tires from Specialized, I was instantly greeted by another infuriating pinch puncture between the rim and a rock. Luckily, this was the only one sustained over 700 kilometers of riding two pairs of Eddy's on two bikes.





After the tire was plugged and pumped back up, I got back on track. The following 15-minute descent was one of the best of my life. Perfectly dry and slightly loose terrain was shredded with a great balance of pointing the front wheel into corners, leaning in and feeling the rear wheel oversteering predictably around corner after corner. I had such a buzz that I kept pushing harder and harder; masses of grip combined with rising adrenaline - things just kept getting better. Sipping on espresso in the cafe afterward (that's all lazy eMTBers do isn't it? Ride to cafe's, pubs and pie shops?) I was ogling the bike and noticed one of the side tread blocks was missing. Upon further inspection, I had ripped around twenty clean off...

I have heard about this happening with other Schwalbe tires in the past and is guaranteed to appear in the comment section, but this was the first time it had ever happened to me after years of using different Schwalbe rubber. I returned this to Schwalbe and mounted another one – I never again had such a perfect run, and coincidentally, didn't lose any more on subsequent rides, though some were showing signs that they were ready to leave.

Schwalbe's Response

For your tires that you received after Eurobike, my initial theory got confirmed that these early tires had not enough rubber on the tread, so the knobs don´t have enough connection to the carcass and might partly rip off in heavy use. As the first samples come from a trial/sample production this was detected early and will not appear in the commercial production. We have already checked the stocks and have many tires running that do not have that issue, both from first sample products as well as from final production. - Michael Kull, Schwalbe Marketing Manager

After this initial mishap, and hundreds of kilometers more on this setup, they are a great performing tire in many conditions. The only time I didn't think they worked great was at a local eMTB race in thick gloopy clay, the huge size of the rear tire floated and squirmed on top of the mud, clogged up, and spun a lot on the climbs. Of course, this is not a mud tire, and the only choice on that day would have been a full-on, much narrower mud spike.

I even used a pair of front tires on both wheels of a Raaw Madonna to race the EWS in Finale. This turned out to be a great combination of rolling, predictable and stable cornering, similar to the much sought after predictable drifting feeling of Maxxis' Minion DHF tires.

When it comes to braking traction they offer huge performance at slow and medium speeds. At high speeds, they aren't as good as something like a Minion DHR II, for example, due to the reduced space for the leading edges of the blocks to bite into the terrain.

One rear Eddy has now clocked up around 400 kilometers on the back of the Kenevo and has worn incredibly well. Even though they are showing signs of wear, it still maintains big blocks and deep tread that keep on gripping, although some of the side blocks are looking like they are ready to jump ship – hopefully, this will be sorted for production versions, and if not this will be covered by warranty. Of course, this only applies to the blocks tearing off, not if you have skidded them to death.


Lower knob height front than rear but impressive grip.
That serious tread leads to tenacious traction.

Pinkbike's Take
bigquotesOverall, the Eddy is currently the king of eMTB tires. Superb overall grip, predictability, damping, puncture protection, and durability. Paul Aston



112 Comments

  • + 89
 Apparently a tyre designed for a bike with a motor "look surprisingly like motorbike tyres..."
  • + 7
 ZZraap???
  • + 15
 And still are to weak if the threads going out of stock. I don't get why I need anything from Schwalbe, those tires still have the same issue of ripping off the threads. Also they are a German brand but make this stuff cheap in Asia and still are expensive like Continental who made the top notch tires actually in Germany. Fuck this corporation and their relatives...
  • + 6
 + agressive
+ miles per ride
+ weight

How will trails deal with this (ab)use, if ebikers don’t care for them?

PS – This is a total bias opinion, since I’ve seen more fat (some old) guys riding ebikes!
  • + 4
 So basically what I’ve taken from this is that if I ever get an ebike I can just use the Michelin X11s straight off my trials bike. Saving money on tires, win win!
  • - 13
flag Matt115lamb (Nov 23, 2018 at 15:41) (Below Threshold)
 Prick
  • + 8
 Why dont they just make a tyre and call it the "Fat F@ck" ?!?
  • + 6
 @TDMAN: last I saw an old guy with an e-bike cutting up a fallen tree that blocked the trail...

I didn't sleep that night.
  • + 42
 Looks surprisingly like a motorbike tyre? Is that not because it IS a motorbike tyre?
  • + 33
 Stop testing e-bikes! This is not pink-e-bike!
Initially I thought you would just test it on a non motorized bike. But i read on and you rode it on a motorbike. What is the point?! This is not an e-motor-bike site for God's sake! Stop pushing it!
  • + 0
 This post at -8? You’ve gotta be kidding me. E-bike fanboyz woke up early (or all live in Europe)
  • - 1
 @mi-bike: Yeah, compared to the other comments too?
*puts tin-foil hat on*
I wonder if PB gets all their staff on to downvote comments like this? Wink ))
  • + 12
 @mi-bike: I am pretty sure it was the first task in the morning for the marketing guys from Schwalbe/Specialized.
  • + 7
 @IluvRIDING: sadly that sounds like a realistic scenario.
  • + 8
 @mi-bike: Or it could be that Pinkbike readers are, in general, not worried about e bikes knowing that they will not ever be all of the market and mountain bikes will always be available and find new tech interesting. What they don't find interesting is the same whiny comment on every article with the letter E in it.
  • + 14
 @Patrick9-32: No, that does not explain why I almost instantly got -9 negative props (shortly after article released, enough to get hidden) and then gradually started getting positive props throughout the rest of the day. Seems like Pinkbikers actually don't want to read about motorbikes on this site. And they think there should be a separate site for e-crap. But also that there are forces trying to censor this idea.
  • + 5
 To be fair, he used it on the type of bike it was designed/marketed to. And he specifically mentions using it on a normal bike for the EWS saying it worked great.
  • + 5
 @IluvRIDING: these are what looks like tyres fhat would work well on a mountain bike. Actually better than Magic Mary. Your hate is blinding you. There are also e-bike specific chains and forks and they also worl better than “normal” MTB components. Just because no weight counting c*nts were in mind of the designers when making them
  • - 9
flag IluvRIDING (Nov 23, 2018 at 8:46) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: They should test it ONLY on pushbikes. I have no problem with that. I don't mind e-bike, MX or any component's on pushbikes. It's just the motor that makes me furious.
  • + 1
 @IluvRIDING: what bike were they testing? I never read articles. Just look at pics. Selectively
  • + 5
 Mountain bikes are just toys. The idea is to have fun. If a bike with a pedal assist motor on it allows me to have fun that’s all the matters. It’s just a toy, get over yourselves.
  • + 3
 @iqbal-achieve: “treat yourself lightly and the world deeply”
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: it’s true I could be more humble but I’m working on it. How’s a man to learn without first making mistakes? But bikes aren’t the world.
  • + 0
 @iqbal-achieve: I wrote it as a phrase going together with your comment not to criticize you. It's from Musashi. People are touchy... If to follow the principle of Jungian "shadow", one could assume that most E-bike haters are people ashamed of themselves for being weak and not participating enough in building trails.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: I hoped it wasn’t criticism but it forced me to reflect either way. I vaguely recollected reading it but I had to google it because I’m not as smart as I think I am Wink
  • + 1
 @mi-bike: UK and Switzerland Wink
  • - 4
flag jeffitup (Nov 25, 2018 at 11:08) (Below Threshold)
 Ebikes will lead to less trail access for real mountain bikers. Pinkbike needs to draw the line and stop selling out. Its just as bad as having your name on it.
  • + 3
 Ebikes are great. In the UK at least they allow you to go to trail centres and do say 10 runs down and ride back up. Where as before you might of only managed 5 with pushing back up.

Equally I can now go and do 3 laps of my local woods (about 8miles) and be fine for work the next day, instead of hammering one lap and being pretty spent.

People hated electric cars when they came out. Just live and let live. If you don't like ebikes don't get one but you shouldn't beat on people that choose to buy one. After all, we are all in it for the love of bikes.
  • + 3
 @totalbikesforever: I was on a 1100m mountain top in Poland, looking at mountains around. Valleys at 300-400m above the sea level. If I had an e-bike I could do at least three 800-1200m tops incl. crossing two valleys within 2 hours. That’s an after work ride in the summer. On a regular bike it would take me a whole day and I would be dead for a week. At some point I will buy a bike with something like fazua deatachable motor/battery unit. In this way I will have ebike for day to day riding and after detaching the motor I can have normal bike for the bike park.
  • - 1
 @totalbikesforever: All cars have motors dude. Bicycles don't. Ebikes belong on moto trails plain and simple so they don't ruin the fun and trail access for cyclists.
  • - 2
 @WAKIdesigns: its called cycling dude, look it up, its a sport. If you want to ride a motorcycle I suggest buying an old honda or Yamaha they are far cheaper. cheers!
  • + 5
 @jeffitup: no thank you, I want a bicycle with easily attachable motor. It is lighter than a motorcycle and rides just like a mountain bike. I want to simply become a better mountain biker by having 3-5 times more runs than I would have on a regular bike.
  • + 1
 @jeffitup: lool people have the freedom to do whatever they like, unless you live in Russia. So don't be an idiot and ruin the fun of us ebikers or we won't give you a push up those steep climbs when you're totally knackered
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: oh its some sort of training aid?? lets ask pros what they think? I bet Brandon Semenuk has like 30 ebikes right? Steve Peat and Greg Minnar too? Its called fitness and disipline. its a sport so get off your lazy stupid ass!
  • + 2
 @totalbikesforever: No man. I don't know where you ride but most trails that I've been on are shared with hikers and horses so there are quite a bit of problems and people complain and trails get closed to bikers. Ebikers are just another excuse and really just don't belong on human powered pedestrian trails. First they are heavy and stronger and will affect the trail. Secondly more people will be pushing deeper into wilderness areas where they really have no business. The trails are a privilege and we should put limits on use and protect them. Soon we will have all sorts of idiots treating wilderness areas like their private playground riding around on ebikes with bluetooth speakers... Steep climbs? its ok to have limits and goals and grow or fail. its a sport and thats what makes it fun.
  • + 23
 E-Bikers: Riding uphill my hometrails i ride since i was 12. When they see you coming down the trail they stop right in the middle of the trail, telling you you have to slow down: It would be dangerous to ride trails fast. How much i hate these unsporty f***ing lazy people.
  • + 9
 There really is a need for direction markers on trails. There shouldn't be a right to go uphill on downhill trails. This really needs to be looked at.
  • + 5
 I go uphill anywhere in a normal bike but just be courteous and let each other pass and of course down hill riders have the right of way. I'm shocked that they would ask downhill riders to slow down. these people really are a different breed if that's true
  • - 1
 @GVArider: Yes. Either that or just some common sense. But apparently these E-bikers were just morons. To lazy to pedal and to lazy to think.
  • + 10
 @Nick-Marotta: Yes, when i'm exploring new trails for example i also ride trails uphill. When i see someone coming down the trail, i jump to the side, yell sorry and have fun.
No problem with that. But in my oppinion e-bikers are not Mountainbikers. They're some spoiled brats and the only thing getting them out in the nature is some motorized Vehicle.
  • - 7
flag Will-narayan (Nov 24, 2018 at 11:13) (Below Threshold)
 @Nick-Marotta , @mohu : That's interesting cuz' IMO you got it all wrong.
AFAIK, the general agreement in mountains is that those going up have the right of way, cuz' it's harder to start again, than when going down.
At least that's true about road circulation : IIRC, cars going down have to stop for cars going up, however when it's a large vehicle going down it has the right of way over a car going up cuz' it's much easier to stop a car going up than a truck going down, or to maneuver a car than a truck (for instance if you have to back up to reach a larger area to pass each other).
Of course bikes are not cars nor trucks, but when I was a kid and I was hicking with my family and respect still meant something, we did the same.
Again, bikes are not hickers, but I would do the same. Whatever you're doing, you have to be responsible, whether it's an e-bike going up or a muscular bike, or a hicker, you have to be able to stop without hitting it.
And even if it's easier to start again with an e-bike, I would still consider that the e-bike going up has the right of way on the regular bike going down, cuz' even with a motor, starting a bike going up is annoying.
When going downhill and a hicker is coming up I think you have to slow down to walking pace to avoid intimidating the one coming up (mostly hickers), then unless he's a trail nazi the hicker will often step aside and let you pass, but this is surely not something you have to force on him.
And if I'm sweating my ass off going up on a muscular bike, I'm surely not gonna stop and step aside for a bike going down for which it's much easier to stop and start again.
Unless we're talking about bike specific trails where there's usually a specific way up of course.
Maybe pinkbike could write something on it ( @brianpark ?) .
  • - 2
 Booohoohoo I got downvoted. Anyway, @mohu: In fact it's quite simple, if you want the right of way going downhill, then go to a bike park.
Anywhere else ? Going down and fast doesn't give you the right of way, you've got to stay in control at anytime, and you're not supposed to scare other trail users, whatever their mean of transportation, foot, bike, e-bike, etc.
  • + 1
 This appears to be the general consensus, here's some interesting read :
www.rei.com/blog/hike/trail-etiquette-who-has-the-right-of-way
www.pinoymountaineer.com/2016/07/mountain-traffic-who-has-the-right-of-way-on-the-trail.html
forums.mtbr.com/colorado-front-range/where-does-say-uphill-has-right-way-331288.html
www.singletracks.com/blog/forums/topic/right-of-way-on-hills
People going uphill have the right of way as it's easier for the one going downhill to gain momentum again, and no matter your speed, you're supposed to be in control, though in practice people going uphill often let the bikers pass, though it's their call, and the biker should not force it.
  • + 1
 @Will-narayan: you’re not wrong but imo and on our home trails I’d like to think the respect goes a different way. Any trail that’s worth descending should be avoided by ascenders, if you need to take that route then you keep your head up and get out the way of anyone coming down. After all they’ve worked their asses off for their descent (whether it’s a mtbs 2nd run or an ebike on their 4th). I don’t want my descent ruined (interrupted) so I don’t ruin anyone else’s. So what if it takes me a mo to get started again? That dude was rippin and I hope I have as good a run myself.
  • + 0
 @iqbal-achieve: Ok, maybe we're talking a bit about different situations ? It depends what you call "home trails" and maybe it's different in US or UK than in France, though Mohu has a swiss flag.
I mean, where I live there's a small mountain (300m) that's been fitted out for MTB, you go up by the road or forest trails and there are a few different downhill oriented tracks that have been shaped by riders and that are of absolutely no interest to ride uphill.
It's been "officialized" over the years, it's now used by the local enduro school and there are now signs at the top indicating the lines, but still, hikers who are not familiar with the area may end up on the track so you never know if you're gonna meat someone the opposite way.
Then in the closest mountains (Les Vosges in east of France, where there's La Bresse DH race, reaching 1400m high) it's mostly fireroad and singletracks that have been there for decades, that were mostly used by locals at first, then by hickers, there's a lot of them depending on the day and area, and there's a not so big but rather noisy amount of trail nazis (mostly grumpy old locals and hunters and foresters) so MTB has a rather bad press even if foresters are doing much more damage, and there's absolutely no way you could consider this or that trail to be "riders' first".
If what Mohu talks about is similar to the 1st example, I agree you're supposed to let the downhill rider pass (but he's still supposed to ride responsibly) but if what he talks about is similar the my 2nd example, I think he's the kind of biker doing a very bad name for all the others.
  • + 1
 how old are you now? 13?
  • + 1
 @velozueri: Who ? Me ?
  • + 1
 @velozueri: Old engouh to have built jumps and berms on this trail since years. Old engouh to have walked around our village for days to get a pettition signed to allow us to build an official trail, so things would be less dangerous. And how old are you? Too old and fat to ride a normal bike or what ?
  • + 20
 How to make a tough tire (or basically any other part) that won't cut or damage easily?
Just add more material, but the only problem is that you're left with 1.5kg tire that people don't want to pedal or ride because of constantly feeding them that parts and bikes should be lighter.

How to solve this?
Put it on e-bike! But unlike in the past when tougher and heavier things were considered low end because everyone wanted light and fast components, you market it as premium e-bike offering and mark it up 50-100% over previously insufficiently expensive premium parts for regular bikes.
Bike magazines will undoubtedly follow suite since you're their only source of income.
  • + 12
 Judging by the dents on the rim it was bitted heavily.
  • + 11
 e-bike specific => e-xtra e-xpensive
  • + 6
 As an E Bike goes hand in hand with a Porsche Cayenne the buyers are used to overpaying
  • + 4
 And extra tough on the trail. We are going to see giant ruts soon
  • + 3
 @donpinpon29: MX like ruts. Frown
  • + 1
 @donpinpon29: Really? How is that? Ebikes in Europe are limited and even on turbo mode it is hard to spin the tire and thus create ruts. Or did you mean going down? If so then they don't do anymore damage than normal bikes. Before you claim the extra 10kg make a difference think about much more variation there is in rider weight.
  • + 1
 @SintraFreeride: You have to account for more people riding the trails (who didn't ride mtb before), since they can get up the climbs easily with the motor and a lot of these people will also be heavy (90+ kg). Plus the e-bike itself is heavier than an MTB. A lot of these people will also lack riding skills, so they will be going slow and causing even more erosion by excessive braking.
  • + 1
 @TheJD:
So what you are saying is that less people should get into mountainbiking or if they do should learn to ride properly before hitting the singletrack?
  • + 2
 @SintraFreeride: I am saying that your proposal that 10 kg of extra weight of e-bike over normal bike is overshadowed by the variety of rider weight is a lot wider than 10 kg is invalid, because #1 e-bikers will generally be heavier than normal bikers and #2 if the weight average of an e-biker and normal biker were the same, then the total weight of rider + bike would be bigger for e-bikers.
  • + 2
 @TheJD: Weight has nothing to do with it. Heavy riders with skill make less damage than light riders with no skill. Increased number of unskilled riders also can increase trail damage. Motor or not is not a factor.
  • + 1
 @SintraFreeride: Well that was the second part of my first reaction to you. But to be honest it mainly depends on how the skilled riders wants to ride the trail, because he can do controlled skids, drifts etc.
  • + 5
 tl,dr : ebike tyre with an mx tread pattern + pre production issues

trial tread pattern as less aggressive
  • + 6
 Why it's not just named electric eddy is beyond me...
  • + 6
 i will choose Pirelli diablo supercorsa 2.
  • + 2
 Macadam is enough. Maybe a second hand sportmax haha
  • + 2
 We all know that PB testers hate ebikes, a lot of PB readers hate ebikes, almost ALL serious hikers hate ebikes ( and for common sense bikers and hikers would be better to be good friends for obvious reasons), mountains hate ebikes... But it keeps going on anyway. A bit like music industry.... lots of good producers are forced to make horrible music because they need to . Industry wants money and we, as always, help to make it. The only goal is to make big money. Nothing else matters
  • + 5
 as a physicist, i have to give schwalbe mad props for the name choice Big Grin
  • + 1
 Really happy to see some new eMTB specific tires coming out, especially ones which let you ride up even steeper stuff. The motors are pretty decent now, so usually traction and skills are the limiting factor on most climbs. Just wish Schwalbe had better quality. I also had nobs rip off the casing on my last 2 sets of Magic Mary's from Schwalbe. Running Maxxis DHR/DHF now, but will give one of these a go on the back next.

Any uphill photos?
  • + 2
 The ripped of knobs ( or nearly ripped of after 400 km on the second set) seems like an major issue to me? „King of...“ sounds weird with such a huge problem. Wouldn‘t buy because of that.
  • + 2
 Read the article - it's been fixed for production.
  • + 4
 @GVArider: so the producer says
  • + 3
 @GVArider: so every test is worthless if the producers just states that they‘ll fix the problem? Not in my opinion. Or do you think i can buy a diesel car at last -Volkswagen just told us they‘ll fix the issue. No problem...Wink
  • + 2
 Who wants to bet that the front one will phase out Magic Mary from riding in mixed and dry conditions because knobs squirm less, and it may even give Minions a run for their money?
  • + 17
 Hot on the heels of Levy's article. Some weird marketing shenanigans going on. If people have enough e-specific parts on their non-e-bike, by the time they need to change their frame, will they be more likely to get one with a motor? Am I nuts?
  • + 17
 @BenPea: Grab your tin foil hats gentlemen!!! We're off to war!
  • + 3
 @Boardlife69: If you glance up and squint a bit, it's quite possible you'll see someone important drilling into an asteroid full of cheap and plentiful lithium.
  • + 7
 I use e-bike chains because they're supposed to stretch less. Yeah right once I break everything else on my bike I'll get an e-bike and keep my chain Wink .

@BenPea: Now that you're asking, yeah I think indeed you're nuts. All good, I'm nuts too. It is almost weekend, let's throw a party. Whoever talks sense will be kicked out just to preserve the wacky vibe.
  • + 4
 @vinay: I don't know man. I think Bill Hicks was onto something with his analysis of marketers.
And if you try and second guess them, you end up down some interesting rabbit holes, which might be cosy and warm, but also tend to be full of rodent poo... I'll be there once the kids are in bed.
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 @BenPea: I don't care, the weight loss marketing and product design in MTB is such a pile of sht, that e-bike marketing sht is no more than a few more sheep dunks on top of it. I welcome it gladly. It may not be long until Pinion talks to Bosch and they develop a mounting "standard" and all people who will want a gearbox on their bike will be able to have it. E-bikers say: thank us later.
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 @WAKIdesigns: or you know, just ride DH tires and be done with it. No need for pool noodles bs, no need to support ebike scam, all good mate
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 @Balgaroth: if I go to mountains I take dh tyres. But I must say super gravity and DD casings with procore in work very well. A lot more mess though.
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 @WAKIdesigns: How much weight do you actually save over a DH casing tho ? f*ck all right ?
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 @Balgaroth: For the front DD works fine for me. 200g there. For the rear DD+procore is more or less the same. The difference is that procore make it feel plusher. The tyre seems more compliant and then it rests on the insert as soon as a bigger hit comes. It feels plusher, quieter and more settled, especially when rolling over a rough corner. I didn't puncture the DD yet and stability is fine even though I rode some rough sht at speed on it. Installing procore is such a pain in the ass that I wouldn't use it if it didn't feel good Wink
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 @WAKIdesigns: if you have the time to think about the plushness of your rear insert, you're not going fast enough hombre.
And as I understand, all you're doing is hoping that marketing will help make the world burn faster. What culminating point are we heading to? Are you looking to prove yourself in a world of anarchy? Did you watch The Road recently? Is this a Vigo Mortensen fetish?
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 @BenPea: what in the void?
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 @WAKIdesigns: ah, the void....
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 @Balgaroth: DH tires aren't enough unless you like to run high pressures...
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 @SintraFreeride: depends where and under whom. It takes a serious mistake or bad luck for 75kgme to puncture a dh tyre at 28psi.
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 @SintraFreeride: unless i get a squate edge wrong normally i have zero trouble riding 1.4/1.7bar with DH casing. Now if I ride any less pressure or casing I end up having tire squirm in turns which I absolutely hate. When I started to ride AM/EN with EXO/Hardskin/Reinforced i had to ride 1.8/2.2 to not experience that issue and was giving bad grip and twitchy steering. Now maybe adding 100€ pool noodle to a flimsy tire would work marginaly better than my DH tires but sure I have a stock of DH tires to do actual bike riding so its easier this way and cheaper.
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 @Balgaroth: there is a noticeable improvement in compliance between Maxxis Double Down and Maxxis DH and if you use procore you won’t roll the tyre off and won’t puncture. It won’t burp either. I didn’t experience any tyre stability loss between DD and DH, was even on high speed berms. So with procore I run 26-27psi in outer chamber compared to 29-30psi with DH tyre set tubeless. I remove 1psi or 2 since fhe volume is lower Also as far as I am concerned DD simply takes away one wrap of kevlar casing from the DH tyre, so you still have 3 layers with butyl inserts at the beads instead of 2 and no insert like with Exo. That is for riding in proper mountains. The best bit for me is that with procore inside I can lower the pressure to 24-25 for slower local trails which gives me edge for technical climbs.
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 @WAKIdesigns: thanks for the input i may have a look at it for next spring !
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 @Balgaroth: I used to run 18psi/1.2bar with DH tire and tubes. With procore I run 13-15psi/0,9-1bar with a singleply tire. That is for the front tire. For the back I have to run a DH or Supergravity tire or else I will cut the singleply tire even with procore.With tubes I end up denting the rim constantly and having to replace almost yearly. With procore I get to choose my tire pressure depending on how much grip I want and not overinflate my tires because I don't want to flat.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Yea, thats almost the holy grail actually, an eMTB with a decent integrated gearbox so you can get rid of all the prehistoric prone to breakage crap at the back of the bike and better centralise the mass. There are some options available, but nothing light or good enough to become the standard yet... eMTB development is quite interesting nowadays though either way.. It's an exciting time to be into eMTB.
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 Just bang a dirty dan on and run it down the road a few times to make it less aggressive, bwaaaaarrrp
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 at last hopefully a decent robust e bike tyre.... even my high roller rear picked up enough flats on my last trip awato that I had to buy another one.... £90!!!!
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 Wake up industry: either we quickly ban ebikes or we will go extinct...
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 The industry is awake, traditional bike sales are lower than they were in 2015, most people just want eBikes now, especially in Europe. Same price and more fun basically. I don't see any point in buying a normal bike again. I can do everything on my eMTB as I could on my old traditional bike and more.
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 @derestricted: Truth... Once you actually ride an Ebike you get more fun, it`s that simple.
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 Them ebike toffs need a 3 inch Nokia gazalodi in there debt ridden lives.... ????
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 Does anyone have any experience running the 2.4 Eddie currents on a non emtb? Thinking of running them on my ENDURO race bike this year. Thanks!
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 Schwalbe where are the 2.6 versions!!?

As an ebike rider I'd like to see these in 27.5 X 2.6 please
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 Eddy Current Suppression Ring did it first (and better).
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 @paul_aston: Are you saying that for a non ebike, the Mininon DHF and DHR2 are preferable?
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 Only other tyres that lose knobbies like this are michelin rubber?
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 Ohoh, tread blocks ripping off....same like ten years ago with Muddy Mary.

In Ainsa and Finale this year I had a 27.5x3.0 Duro Miner in the rear on my (non-E) hardtail, not any punctures (ok, had three punctures in Ainsa), nothing wobbly - 1.2bar. DHF 3C 29er in the front. LittleChampery, Madonna Guardia, IsalloExtasy, Rocche Gianche, etc. - no problems.

What would I need that massive Eddycurrent tire in the rear for???
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 Why do people still comment on this ....??
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 Knobheads.
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 Uh oh, all the pinkbike commenters are going to get their panties in a twist over this one...
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 S’ok I don’t think they let the Americans in
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