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Review: Scor 2030 - The Trail Bike You Didn't Know You Wanted

Sep 5, 2023
by Mike Kazimer  
What would happen if you lifted the geometry figures from an enduro bike and applied them to a short travel trail bike? It's a question that's been asked (and answered) with varying degrees of success over the years, but the crew at Scor, the fun-focused offshoot of BMC, decided to find out for themselves with the new 2030. Spoiler alert: Scor's execution of the concept results in a bike that's an absolute riot out on the trail.

The carbon-framed 2030 has 29” wheels, 120mm of travel paired with a 140mm fork, and a slack 64.5-degree head angle. There are five sizes in the lineup, all with chainstay lengths that are quite short. Mariano Schoefer, Scor's engineer, comes from a BMX background, and the stubby rear end was a conscious choice intended to make the bike easy to manual and flick around.

Scor 2030 GX Details

• Wheel size: 29"
• Carbon frame
• Travel: 120mm / 140mm fork
• 64.5º head angle
• 77.7º seat tube angle
• 429mm chainstays (size M/L)
• Sizes: S, M, M/L, L, XL
• Weight: 29.9 lb / 13.6 kg (size M/L)
• Price: $7,299 USD
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There are three complete builds, with prices ranging from $5,199 to $9,299, and a frame-only option for $3,499 USD. I tested the $7,299 2030 GX model, which comes with SRAM Code RSC brakes, a 140mm RockShox Pike, Deluxe Ultimate shock, and a Bike Yoke Divine dropper post. It rolls on DT Swiss XM 1700 Spline aluminum wheels mounted up with a Maxxis Dissector / Rekon tire combo.






bigquotesTossing in an extra manual here, pumping a roller there, and maybe slashing a berm over there is a recipe for a good time, and on the Scor those maneuvers are very easy to execute. Mike Kazimer







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Frame Details

The 2030 shares a similar aesthetic to the 4060, its longer travel sibling, including the low-slung top tube, but it's not a carbon copy (no pun intended). The lower link design is slightly different, and isn't as likely to get filled with mud, one of the only gripes we had about the 4060. That lower link clamps around the shock axle rather than threading into it, and the shock uses a bearing mount at that location to reduce the amount of breakaway force.

There's a small storage compartment (the 'Stash Hatch') just in front of the shock that's accessed by turning a small dial. The actual compartment is on the smaller side, so you might not be able to fit a mega burrito or a rain jacket in there, but it can accommodate a small tube, mini-pump, and tire lever.

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The 2030 has internal cable routing that thankfully goes through ports in the side of the frame and not the headset, with internal guide tube that reduce noise and facilitates housing swaps.

Along with the rubber downtube protector, Scor offers customizable frame protection stickers that are pre-cut to fit the 2030's top and downtubes. There's also rubber chainslap protection on the chainstay and seatstay, which proved to be very effective – the 2030 is a satisfyingly quiet bike right out of the box.

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Geometry & Sizing

The 2030's 64.5-degree headtube angle is the number that stands out on the geometry chart, putting the 2030 on the slacker side of things for a bike in this travel bracket. The Canyon Spectral 125 and Chromag Darco are two bikes that come to mind that are a little slacker, with their 64-degree head angles, but the list of bikes with 65- or 65.5-degree head angles is much longer, and includes bikes like the Norco Optic, Santa Cruz Tallboy, and Commencal Tempo.

As far as reach numbers go, Scor's five sizes and short seat tubes make it possible to size up or down depending on rider preference. At 5'11” I went with a size M/L, which has a 477mm reach. These days I'm typically happiest on bikes with reach numbers between 470 – 485mm; the 497mm reach and 650mm top tube of the size large would have stretched me out more than I wanted.

For riders who aren't interested in going that slack, the headset cups can be rotated to steepen the head angle to 65.5-degrees. I'd highly, highly recommend giving the 2030 a try in the stock configuration first, but it's nice that the potential for a significant adjustment is there.

The chainstays measure 429mm for the S, M, and M/L sizes, then increase to 432mm for the L and top out at 434 for the XL. Even with that tiny increase for the larger sizes they're still quite short for a 29” trail bike.

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Suspension Design

The 2030 uses two co-rotating links to deliver either 120mm of travel with a 47.5mm stroke shock, or a 52.5mm stroke shock can be installed to increase the travel to 130mm. The progressive leverage curve flattens out slightly towards the end of the bike's travel, a design that can help make sure all of the travel is accessible, rather than locking precious millimeters away behind a wall of progression.

Anti-squat values sit around 110% at sag, and drop off as the bike goes further into its travel.


Specifications
Price $7299
Travel 120mm
Rear Shock RockShox Deluxe Ultimate
Fork RockShox Pike Ultimate 140mm
Cassette SRAM GX
Crankarms SRAM GX carbon
Rear Derailleur SRAM GX 12-speed
Chain SRAM GX
Shifter Pods SRAM GX
Handlebar Scor carbon
Stem Burgtec Enduro MK3, 35mm
Grips Burgtec Bartender
Brakes SRAM Code RSC
Wheelset DT Swiss XM 1700 Spline
Tires Maxxis Dissector / Rekon
Seat WTB Silverado
Seatpost BikeYoke Divine

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Test Bike Setup

My test bike showed up with a 160mm BikeYoke dropper post (retail models will have a 180mm post), so I swapped that out for a 200mm OneUp post in order to have more clearance in the steeps. I also ended up going with a 40mm stem and 35mm bars, rather than the 35mm stem and 20mm riser bars. The stock configuration worked well, but I ended up preferring the fit and feel of the bike with the slightly longer stem and higher rise bars.

For the suspension, 180 psi in the RockShox Deluxe shock put me at 27% sag, and I ran 75 psi with one volume spacer in the Pike Ultimate.

Condition were dry and dusty for most of the test period, ideal for the Maxxis Dissector / Rekon tire combo. That's a setup I'd happily run all summer here in the Pacific Northwest on a bike like this before switching to something with a bit more tread for the slippery fall and winter months.

2022 Trail Bike Field Test photo by Satchel Cronk.
Mike Kazimer
Location: Bellingham, WA, USA
Height: 5'11" / 180cm
Inseam: 33" / 84cm
Weight: 160 lbs / 72.6 kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @mikekazimer


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Climbing

The 2030 is more focused on the descents than some other bikes in this category (like the Yeti SB120, for instance), but Scor's designers didn't forget that it needs to go uphill too. It's an energetic pedaler, free of any wallowing or mushiness while still delivering enough traction to keep that low-profile Rekon tire from spinning wildly. The perfect balance between efficiency and grip can be tricky to achieve, but the 2030 does it very well – it has the quickness you'd hope to get from a 120mm bike without any accompanying harshness.

I preferred the middle compression setting (out of three) on the Deluxe shock the vast majority of the time, but the other two settings do make a noticeable difference – the full open position comes in handy when maximum traction is desired, and the firmer setting can be used to put even more pep in the Scor's step without resorting to the fully locked out position.

Even with those short chainstays I felt centered and comfortable on the 2030. The steep seat angle helps prevent too much weight from ending up over the rear wheel, and the stack height isn't so high as to upset the balance, even after I'd installed higher rise bars.


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Descending

My very first ride on the Scor took place up in Whistler, so I decided to start by feeding it some classic technical trails, with names like Korova Milk Bar, Rockwork Orange, and Wizard Burial Ground. They're full of steep rock moves and semi-awkward slower speed maneuvers, trails that reward precision over just trying to blast downhill as fast as possible. The Scor more than held its own, and any initial doubts I had about its capabilities quickly faded away as I worked my way downhill.

The geometry plays a large part in how comfortable the bike felt in the steeps, but the suspension deserves a mention too – the Deluxe Ultimate shock is very well controlled, with a smooth ramp up at the bottom of the stroke. It's a trait we noticed with the Scor 4060 a couple of years ago – there's no harshness towards the end of the travel, which makes it easier to plop off a drop or push through a pointy rock garden without worrying about running out of travel.

Yes, there are obviously limits – we're still talking about a 120mm trail bike here, and I'm not about to say it can go wheel-to-wheel with a full-on enduro bike. However, the fact that it can handle those more technical trails while also remaining entertaining on mellower ones is worth noting. The suspension opens up nicely at higher speeds, and it can deal with quick impacts very well.

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The concept of one bike being more 'fun' than another always annoys me a little, mainly because mountain biking's supposed to be fun no matter what. That said, tossing in an extra manual here, pumping a roller there, and maybe slashing a berm over there is a recipe for a good time, and on the Scor those maneuvers are very easy to execute.

Speaking of recipes, there's been a lot of talk lately about the ideal chainstay length, and I've even seen equations floating around that are purported to be the key to making most perfectly balanced bike in the world. I'm not convinced that there's one magical set of geometry numbers out there, and the 2030 is a prime example. I do typically prefer bikes with longer chainstays, and yet I haven't had any instances on this bike where I thought that a longer back end would have improved things.

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Scor 2030
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Canyon Spectral 125


How does it compare?

The Canyon Spectral 125 occupies a similar space as the Scor, but it's even longer and slacker, which can make it more of a handful on slower speed trails. The 125 feels even more biased towards descending, while the Scor has more energetic trail manners, and a more refined suspension feel. The 125 ramps up very quickly, which can make if feel a little more harsh over repeated impacts compared to the 2030.

The Spectral runs away with the cake when it comes to value, although it doesn't have an in-frame storage compartment or as much water bottle room as the Scor.

Santa Cruz's Tallboy is a very close contemporary, both in terms of geometry and price. The wheelbase of a M/L 2030 is exactly the same as a large Tallboy, it's just the distribution of the front and rear centers that's different. The 2030 has a slacker head tube angle and shorter chainstays, which gives it a slightly more secure handling in steeper terrain. If forced to choose, I'd go with the 2030. There's just something about its overall handling and suspension feel that's very tough to beat.

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Which Model is the Best Value?

Unfortunately, none of the models in Scor's lineup are what I'd call a great value. Take the model tested here, for example – for $7,299 I would have expected to see a wireless drivetrain or carbon wheels on the spec sheet. For the most part the build kits are well chosen, but the prices are higher than similar complete bikes cost from other companies, even excluding consumer-direct operations.

If I was dead set on getting a Scor 2030 (which is a distinct possibility for anyone who manages to test ride one), I'd consider going with the $5,199 NX model with the plan of swapping out the NX drivetrain as soon as possible. There's also the frame-only route, which, considering how many deep discounts are currently available on components, could be the way to get a better build than the NX model for the exact same price.

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Burgtec Bartender grips, CODE RSC brakes.
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Maxxis Rekon rear tire.

Technical Report

SRAM Code RSC brakes: I'm glad that Codes are becoming a more common spec choice on trail bikes over the less-powerful G2 brakes. I would have liked to see HS2 rotors spec'd, though; the thicker rotors bump up the stopping power, especially considering the bike has 180mm rotors front and rear.

Dissector / Rekon tire combo: No, these aren't the heavier enduro tires you might expect to find on a bike like this, but they're very fun and fast in dry conditions. I know there are some riders who can't look at an EXO casing tire without immediately flatting, but I didn't have any flats during the test period, even when riding some of Whistler's pointier trails.

Frame hardware: It's too early in the Scor's life to consider doing a bearing swap, but I decided to disassemble the suspension linkage to get a better idea of how hard (or difficult) maintenance would be. Overall, it was a straightforward procedure, and everything came apart and went back together smoothly. The bearings all have metal dust covers, and everything was greased and spinning smoothly. The blind pivot hardware on the seat stays can't be accessed by an allen key without unbolting the shock, but there are wrench flats that can be used instead during a quick bolt check.

Burgtec Bartender lock-on grips: These grips have been out for years, but they'd sort of flown under my radar until now. I ride without gloves a decent amount during the summer, and these proved to be a very comfortable option with loads of traction for those sweaty days, especially once they'd broken in.


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Pros

+ It's a better descender than most 120mm bikes out there
+ Very quiet, no cable rattle or excessive chainslap.
+ Adaptable thanks to adjustable head angle, ability to increase travel with different shock stroke.

Cons

- High price for complete bikes
- Your enduro bike might start collecting dust.



Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesThe Scor 2030 is one of the most entertaining 120mm trail bikes that I've ridden in recent memory. It's my kind of trail bike, one that doesn't put up a fuss while climbing, and punches way above its weight when descending.  Mike Kazimer







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275 Comments
  • 111 4
 $7299 for a GX build?! Who do they think they are Transition.
  • 41 1
 BMC pricing. Come living in Switzerland and you will get used to such prices Smile
  • 30 0
 @Armand74: I tried but they didn’t want me Frown
  • 8 0
 @Armand74: I understand that cost of living in Switzerland is high - but with the EU/Switzerland trade agreements, I'd think that the ample supply of direct to consumer bikes from nearby Germany would perhaps keep that in check a bit?
  • 3 0
 @g-42: For e-bikes, yes. You can see a lot of Cube and Canyon bikes around here. For « normal » bikes, I would say people tends to have premium bikes (Orbea and Scott)
  • 1 0
 @Armand74: Being a confident 5'5, I love my 27.5 bike. However, 29 inch is definally faster and I do have an enduro race bike thats 29. I think it really comes down to riding style.
  • 2 1
 Transition's prices might have changed a little bit, no?
Transition wise, this bike really makes me think about my Smuggler V2 which I enhanced with a 150mm Lyrik + a -1°angleset: fun and capable, even if 120mm are harsh even with a good shock.
Limits are tight when it's about a good trail bike that you wanna everywhere....
  • 9 0
 2030 bikes are out already , there’s optimism and there’s optimism
  • 2 0
 @Armand74: if I could afford to live in Switzerland the tax breaks would allow me to pay someone to ride for me
  • 1 1
 @g-42: Ibis recently started discounting some of their bikes by a quarter in the US, the Swiss importer just took off 15% Big Grin
  • 2 0
 @Armand74: true, bikeshops sell either cheap or premium bikes. There's not much in between.

And of course, having a carbon bike is a must. My "cheap" ALU frame doesn't get much attention :-)
  • 1 3
 @Armand74: luckily there is almost no more 'normal' bikes.. =)
  • 1 0
 @korev: I don't think 25 cents is much of a discount. Wink
  • 1 0
 Is Transition considered poor value for MTB $$$?
  • 2 0
 @Armand74: IDK but the flag is a big plus
  • 1 0
 @rrolly: Who cent for you? Wink
  • 74 17
 I feel like this is one of the bikes where 27.5/mullet should be an option. If its main selling point is being "fun and playful" it should have a wheel size that reflects that.
  • 47 7
 everyone wants 26" dh bikes back, even those who don't know it
  • 19 0
 I agree. Really the only bike on the market like that is the 5010. Living on the east coast, the perfect bike for me would be a 120-130 travel mullet bike with a 64-65 degree head angle.

5010 is the only bike like it, bit it's hilariously expensive at $7000CAD with an NX build. They dropped the price.to $6300 this year bit thats still too much
  • 35 1
 I’m pretty sure Josh Lewis is running his with dual 27.5” wheels, extra low BB be damned. By rotating the headset cup and running a 150mm fork a mixed wheel setup should be possible without too much geometry compromise.
  • 18 0
 @Ryan2949: Banshee Phantom mullet is 64.5 deg HTA with 115 travel. And it won't break your bank.
  • 62 23
 Disagree. I mean, I’m honestly not sold on mullet at any travel bracket, and I reject the premise that a mullet is “more fun”—that’s marketing talk. It’s just a matter of personal preference.

But I think mullet in this travel bracket is particularly silly. Whatever it’s geo, it’s still a trail bike designed for covering ground. Without looking, the shortest travel mullet I can think of is the new-ish version of the 5010 at 140f/130r. That thing is dumb. Not as jib friendly as prior versions, not as fast or efficient for hauling ass over longer rides.

This thing looks legit as is.
  • 14 2
 @Ryan2949: a custom steel frame with a smart build kit would be way cheaper
  • 4 1
 @mikekazimer: Yea, he was actually the motive behind this post. I feel like when your most publicly know sponsor is changing his bike up that much, you should probably offer an option that mimics the bike hes riding. People are just gonna buy a 5010 because thats what hes changed his scor to basically be.
  • 21 6
 @BrambleLee: agreed. Personally don’t get the attraction to mullets. Was on one at Whistler a few weeks ago and did not enjoy the noticeable hang ups on the tech. 29er for life. At least, for me.
  • 2 0
 @vitaflo: I ran that setup and loved it except for the long stays, which I couldn't abide.
  • 34 2
 @BermJunky: conversations about the merits of mullet without mentioning your height are useless. i can easily buzz my butt on my rear tire bunny hopping (or descending steep terrain) with a 29" rear wheel at 5'7", but i notice the improved speed from the 29" front wheel. mullet is the future for me
  • 6 1
 @alienator064: Exactly, I like my full 29 but I've been using a mullet lately and it really does make a difference even at 5'10"
  • 8 0
 Reeb SST has entered the chat.
  • 2 0
 @alienator064: 178 cm and short legs. That’s 5’10.5 for you.
  • 7 1
 @alienator064: btw I did say “personally” and “for me”, so don’t get too Brent out of shape. I’m glad to hear mullet works for you.
  • 7 0
 Hahaha Brent out of shape. Thanks autocorrect
  • 2 0
 marin rift zone 27.5 would be a good budget option but it is full 27
  • 3 0
 @Ryan2949: Druid.
  • 1 0
 I mean, adjustable headset cups allow a 275 wheel,
I recognize it doesnt adjust the CS length, but maybe its in a real good spot where it is?
  • 3 0
 @alienator064: Wouldnt inseam be a more relevant factor than height?
  • 8 7
 @BrambleLee: Mullets are the best. Have a 29", have ridden a bike with identical geo to my mullet Bronson but full 29" (2021 Tyee) - they're noticeably less fun and don't corner quite as well.
  • 5 0
 @BermJunky: yeah that’s fair i didn’t mean to seem too “Brent” out of shape. i just would hate to see the bike industry end up like the smartphone industry where every manufacturer designs an identical bike meant for the average consumer without considering that different body types and different desires exist. that’s why i will always publicly defend mullets!
  • 2 0
 @onawalk: sure but they’re certainly correlated i think on most applicable bikes it makes sense to at least include a flip chip for a 27.5 rear wheel or make mullet standard for XS/S builds.
  • 5 0
 @alienator064: agree that it’s vital to have options. I say ride what works for you. Cheers.
  • 4 1
 @Ryan2949: AirDrop has an amazing 135/150 trail bike called Filter. It's full 27.5", alloy, burly enough for bike parks, and costs the half of this plastic wagon from the review Smile
  • 1 0
 @Ryan2949: marin rift zone is close and much cheaper
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: why a longer fork with the bigger wheel?
  • 1 0
 @BermJunky: 175.26 cm and long legs. That's 69" for me.
  • 1 0
 @mior: What builder would you recommend for that?
  • 3 0
 @HappyBiker19: Marino is cheap and handmade, but have some minor quality issues like bottle cages not lined up.
Nicolai is good if you want to ball out but they dont allow as much customization.
for marino check out:
www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=211605&pagenum=1
  • 4 0
 @mior @HappyBiker19 Reeb SST also has custom geometry right now. Steel and short travel.

reebcycles.com/pages/build-your-dream-bike
  • 1 0
 @BrambleLee: How tall are you ? (more importantly whats your inseam)
  • 7 7
 Sorry but 64.5 HA and a 1230ish WB is NOT "fun and playful". Call me old school a 66HA, 1200ish and short CS makes a bike "fun and playful" and fits a 120mm trail bike much better.
  • 1 0
 @KUBBY: I think you mean smaller wheel,
longer travel fork, with a smaller rear wheel helps to lift the bb if youre going to mullet what is typically a full 29 bike
  • 1 0
 @alienator064: Some correlation, but if we are going to be pedantic about things, inseam would be a more relevant measurement than height.
  • 2 0
 @BrambleLee: 100%. I tried a mullet set up on my hardtail which was initially a dual 27.5 but I changed to dual 29 because it’s a Chameleon and it’s built to use either wheel size and the fork was a 150 36 29er fork. I bought the bike for plus size which I didn’t care for. I did some back to back trails with the spare wheel all set up with a cassette and disc rotor and size but different tread tire in the truck . I couldn’t tell much difference honestly. But I like the speed I get with big wheels.

I figure a person that goes mullet from a small wheeled bike will have a certain experience. Someone that has a 29er and goes mullet will have a different experience. A bike designed from the ground up as a mullet will be different than a converted one.
  • 4 0
 @alienator064: It's honestly all just down to personal preference. I'm the same height and love my 29er, even in the steepest stuff. I'm all for having a mullet option for people who want it, but I'll likely be 29" forever.
  • 2 0
 @alienator064: Of note, From NSMB.com first ride.

@mikekazimer can you comment on a flip chip at the rear of the bike, I dont think I caught that in your review

The frame can be converted to 130mm rear squish with a shock service that allows more stroke but this isn’t a user friendly swap. The frame is also rated for up to a 150mm fork but Mariano Schoeffer, the engineer on the project, this would mess with the geo some. Fortunately there is an adjustable head angle like that on the 6040 so you could keep the 64.5º sweet spot close to where it is. There is also a flip chip in the back that moves the bike to 65.5º and raises the BB by 2mm. I'd personally love to try it as a 150/130 machine.
  • 1 1
 @onawalk: ah interesting. mulleting a bike usually drops HTA by 1 degree and BB by 10 mm, so that flip chip likely won't be enough to raise the BB to an acceptable position assuming it's starting pretty low (i just checked: the BB is very low). if you're okay with a really slack HTA then definitely adding a longer fork in there could work but IMO that defeats the purpose of a mullet bike being more "fun" and nimble than full 29er. the chainstays are a great length for a 27.5" rear wheel so really its just the super low BB that kills the mullet idea for this bike for me.
  • 2 0
 @alienator064: but the adjustable headset cups can sort the HA back close to stock, with the mullet, flip chip, and 150 fork. its still different than what it is stock, but that doesnt mean better or worse.

assume youll drop 10mm with a 275, gain 2 with the flip, and another 8 with the fork, and youre back to close to stock.....adjust the headset cups to alleviate the slightly too slack HA due to the 150 fork, and I think youre there. Im not sure where the SA, reach, stack end up in all this, but hell, a couple mm's wont mean a damn thing...
  • 2 0
 @BermJunky: using this from here on out. Thanks!
  • 2 2
 @BermJunky: I wish they’d just make the rocks and bumps smaller as well. Lets smooth-out this muh. I want to be able to descend without leaving the saddle by 2030.
  • 2 0
 @onawalk, the 2030 doesn't have a flip chip - I'm not sure where that information came from.
  • 2 1
 @emptybe-er: if you’re going to comment, perhaps you should have something intelligent to add, first.
You’re free to follow me down some of my local trails, btw.
  • 2 0
 @Ryan2949: The 5010 isn't the only option. I just spent the entire summer looking to build a mullet 120mm trail bike and I think I've done an exhaustive market survey. The other option is the Pivot Trail 429 in mullet mode, which is an officially supported build (they have official docs for flip chip position and geo).

I gave up on the dream. I couldn't swap my wheels or my drivetrain because of superboost (you have to buy new CRANKS even for superboost). I couldn't find anyone running the 429 in mullet mode to review it. You can't buy a complete. Pivot won't sell frames unless it's a tuesday and they're in a good mood, and when they do the price is twice an Ibis- ripley frames currently $2500). Also have you looked at all the non-custom superboost mullet wheelsets? All zero of them?

Imagine an official mullet build you can't buy as a frameset and you can't buy as a complete.
  • 3 0
 @Mtmw: for what it's worth, i just went through the same process with my switchblade and used the problem solver superbooster adapter and just redished my rear wheel. no need to buy a new rear wheel or entirely new drivetrain and took like an hour.
  • 1 0
 @BrambleLee: I mean scrub radius is a real thing and has a very real effect on how sharply a bike can turn without losing traction, that's the explanation for what people correlate to feeling "nimble" in corners.
  • 1 0
 @in2falling: I used to think that way too (that too slack meant dead feeling, not as fun), but I put a -2 degree angleset in my Giant Trance and it was nothing but positive. It rode better in every sense. I've done the same to my Giant Anthem and it's been the same. Just straight up better.
  • 2 8
flag emptybe-er (Sep 5, 2023 at 17:36) (Below Threshold)
 @BermJunky: Oh I could never keep up with those big sexy road wheels. Do you tuck?
  • 1 7
flag emptybe-er (Sep 5, 2023 at 17:38) (Below Threshold)
 @BermJunky: I didn’t know they shaved legs in Canada
  • 3 0
 @emptybe-er: you seem triggered. Anger issue?
  • 2 7
flag emptybe-er (Sep 5, 2023 at 18:42) (Below Threshold)
 @BermJunky: As a berm/ smooth surface specialist, do you find the sluggish boredom of 29 actually boosts shralpmanship, from an aggro standpoint? Sort of like “so bad it’s good” movies?
  • 4 6
 @BermJunky: I’m not angry at all just trying to understand why some people act like larger wheels are ok when yhe evidence is there.. The larger the wheels get the more boring the riding. But hey, you do you.
  • 1 0
 @emptybe-er: wow you’re so witty. Hard to compete.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: interesting, that was copy pasted right out of the NSMB review.
I couldn’t find any other info on it either
  • 4 2
 @emptybe-er: that has to be one of the most simplistic views I’ve heard recently. Maybe there’s a misunderstanding of what is considered boring. The jump from 26 to 29 was a pretty eye opening experience for me, I didn’t bother with the 275 wheels.

What evidence are you talking about, outside of your own opinion?
What 29 bikes have you tried that have led you to this opinion?
  • 1 0
 @Mtmw: why do you need it to be “official”, why not just pop on a 275 wheel, maybe an angle set to correct the HA if needed, and give it a go.
Hell if you’ve got a PF bb, you could even try a concentric bb cup to correct bb height/SA

I think most of us get caught up in what we are told, rather than just giving it a go
  • 1 0
 @alienator064: also of note, I have a Knolly Fugitive, run it in the short travel (120) setup, in the slack position, it’s a 325mm bb height. I ride in very rocky terrain, no issues low bb.

This would sit right about there as well without the 150 fork
  • 1 0
 @Mtmw:

To build on that, other mullet trail bike options:

The Bronson. The Kona process x. Digit datum. The transition patrol. There's even a stumpy evo mullet out there.
  • 3 2
 @emptybe-er: I live in Whistler. It’s never boring on big wheels here. Trust me. And I’m only 5’4"164cm.
  • 1 0
 @trevor-bag: bronson and process X are big travel bikes, not 120mm. Digit datum looks like.. they're going to make 12 of them and they come as a complete? But also 160mm bike. Stumpy evo also a big travel bike (160).

In the 120mm category, it's slim pickins for mullets.
  • 1 0
 @baca262: facts amen
  • 2 1
 @Someoldfart: you know the rules,
You never trust someone who tells you to trust them,
And someone who tells you that “I’ve been doing this for 45 years” has been doing it wrong for at least the last 15…..
  • 3 5
 @onawalk: I don’t need to eat a shit sandwich to know it’s shit, do I? In 2017-2018, a nicely built 27.5 was 33-34 lbs and was much more versatile than a 29’er will ever be. Nobody wants to go through a set of jumps on a 29’er because big wheels suck for that. If you need evidence, you need to pull your head out.
  • 4 3
 @onawalk: If you were an early adopter of 29’er and it was eye-opening coming from 26.. that tells me you couldn’t ride a 26 very well and saw no tradeoff because your tires rarely left the ground but you washed out/went otb too much. And this is exactly why everything is 29 now, no trade-off if you’re lower-skilled.
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 @Someoldfart: Wow, literally the worst place to wagonwheel but I bet it really irons-out the washboard
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 @Someoldfart: I’m tall and have the room but don’t want larger wheels because the bike isn’t as versatile, it’s just heavier, longer, generally more boring.
  • 3 1
 @emptybe-er: You need to put others down to feel better about yourself I guess. Thats too bad.

Definitely wasnt an early adopter of 29er wheels, as I said, I was on 26 till 2018....I gave them a go back in early 2000's, the geo wasnt right for them, or my style of riding.

If what you prefer to ride is bermed jump trails, then they might not be for you, I prefer steep techy stuff, they work great there. They arent quite as good in the really slow stuff, but the trade offs make up for it.

Good luck to you out there
  • 1 0
 @emptybe-er: Bwahahahahaha
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flag emptybe-er (Sep 10, 2023 at 3:49) (Below Threshold)
 @onawalk: No I actually meant that as just logical observation. I figure if you went from 26 to 29 (and it was eye-opening), you definitely didn’t prioritize jumps, jibbing, manualing.. Stuff I generally classify as fun. I realize fun is subjective. But wow a 37-40lb 29’er.. you want some kind of evidence this sucks, I want evidence that it doesn’t. I’ve ridden so many bikes over the years. Long heavy bike with big wheels suck for all around bikes, imo. It’s kind of whatever but I see this shift and I don’t think it’s good. But again, subjective. I just miss reasonably priced, objectively more versatile bikes dominating the market. It’s something to be salty about, imo.
  • 7 1
 @emptybe-er: you meant this as logical observation?

‘That tells me you couldn’t ride a 26 very well and saw no tradeoff because your tires rarely left the ground but you washed out/went otb too much. And this is exactly why everything is 29 now, no trade-off if you’re lower skilled”

You’re just trying to be aggressively contrary, which you’re more than welcome to be.
My comment made no mention of there not being trade-offs, you’re just reading into it to have some sort of argument.
I also didn’t mention 37-40 29ers, both my bikes are 33ish lbs, one short travel, on long travel, both are very “playful” and a tonne of fun to ride. There’s an awful lot more than wheel size that dictates whether or not a bike is “playful”, and even that is completely subjective.
Your insistence that smaller wheels somehow require more skill is just an attempt to make yourself feel better, while putting others down. It’s unfortunate that you seem to have som much of your identity wrapped up in a 1 1/2” wheeel size difference, but I wish you luck out there.
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flag emptybe-er (Sep 10, 2023 at 14:47) (Below Threshold)
 @onawalk: Why is it aggro to present what I assume to be true? Lower skilled wasn’t a dig, just an obvious reason to want to ride 29 from 26. If you went from 26 to light/short travel 29 that still says you wanted more traction even if it meant the bike is not as playful. It doesn’t happen the other way around (ever). People that rip a 26 are never like, “you know, I think I want big flexy wheels and more weight, that should do the trick”

I feel the contrarians are the 29’er riders saying, “ohh speed is fun and they’re just faster” .. “Oh it’s heavy but hhey it’s monster truck” or whether or not 29 suck for jumping not being a factual matter.. Let me know when you see a 29” dj or slopestyle competitor.

I think you, like a lot of 29’er lovers, don’t want to admit you ride them because it just makes mtb easier and softer for you (and noobs) while making bikes not as fun for people that don’t need big wheels for comfort/don’t want the tradeoffs. But hey, I’m sure shopping at bikes at walmart will be easier, too? I mean more fun.
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flag emptybe-er (Sep 10, 2023 at 15:11) (Below Threshold)
 @onawalk: Interesting you’d assume I’m making uninformed decisions just because I don’t think 29 is fun. Interesting how that’s almost always the assumption. How close-minded is that? I’ve wrenched for 25 yrs and owned a bike shop till this D2C/wagonwheel takeover happened.
  • 8 0
 can you guys shut the fuck up please
  • 1 0
 @emptybe-er: Oh wait, are you one of the Dirty Finger guys? You seem as toxic and stupid as I’ve long heard. No wonder you couldn’t keep your business afloat.
  • 2 0
 @emptybe-er: Man, if I'm being honest, youre losing me here.
Youre kinda ranting off about things that I had never mentioned.

I wish you all the luck in your future endeavours
  • 1 0
 @emptybe-er: What on earth are you rambling on about here?
  • 2 2
 @onawalk: i just want to add a big f*ck you to trolls here, who'll conflate, move the goal posts, claim relevant context is irrelevant and all the possible assortment of logical fallacies to push the wagon wheel atrocity at the people who don't need it, aka people under 6 2
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 @emptybe-er: I am a 27.5 lover. I 100% agree that people hate on 27.5 before truly understanding its purpose, and before truly understanding that a change in riding style is necessary. However, hating on 29 is just as bad. I can have fun with my 29er bike, and I can make it almost as fun as my 27.5, and decently faster. At the end of the day its a 1.5 inch difference, and personal riding skill matters so much more.
  • 2 0
 @baca262:
Sure man
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 @joebiden:
Oh, dang
What is it, dawg?
I forgot it's my bike’s new Tire day
Didn't get a gift for it?
Other plans got in the way
It'll be so disappointed
Damn, I forgot it, too
This could have been avoided
What the hell are we gonna do?
[Verse 1:]
My bike’s been so alone
Ever since my tires blew (Cold)
No new tires to wrap it tight
Life has put it to the test
I know just what you mean
My bike's been so sad and gray (Word)
My old tires can't satisfy ever since they blew that day
Hold up
You thinkin' what I'm thinkin'?
I'm thinkin' I think it too
Slow up
What time is it, dawg?
It's time for a switcharoo
We both love our bikes, bikes with grown biiike needs
I say we break 'em off
Show 'em how much they really mean
[Chorus:]
'Cause I'm a TireLover
You're a TireLover
We should ride each other's tires
Ride each other's Tires
I'll mount that new Tire, where that old blew hazy
Ain't no doubt this shit is crazy
Riding each other's Tires!
[Post-Chorus:]
'Cause every Bike needs a New Tire tight
If doing it is wrong, I don't wanna be right
I'm callin' on you 'cause I can't do it myself
To me, you're like a brother, so be my tire lover
  • 1 0
 @Ryan2949: ever try a Specialized Status?? They’re a great bike for the price.
  • 1 0
 @baca262: I have my old 26-in DH bike as well as a 27.5 Transition TR11. I'll take the transition every single time over the 26 inch DH bike (old TR 450)
  • 40 0
 When I first saw it I almost regretted having bought a Spectral 125 in March - then I remembered I paid 4k for way better specs than this and it's still tons of fun
  • 43 5
 > Your enduro bike might start collecting dust.
Who the hell has an enduro bike and then goes on to drop 7.5K on another bike, that is mostly the same, but slightly less travel.
  • 37 1
 You'd be surprised... N+1 is strong for a lot of fellas
  • 4 0
 @SleepingAwake: I always assumed, you'd spread out a little: a park rig, a gravel bike, an enduro...
  • 33 1
 I feel personally attacked.
  • 28 0
 Still cheaper than owning a boat.
  • 7 0
 @PhillipJ: with long enough chainstays, you can have both.
  • 13 0
 When you can afford it, owning a short travel trail bike and a big enduro bike makes a lot of sense. I personally hate the feeling of being overbiked riding a big travel enduro monster on mellower trails.

My dream mtb fleet would be: a modern hardtail to keep things real, a trailbike for pedally days and a big enduro bike for the serious stuff.
  • 4 0
 @PhillipJ: Whenever my significant other complains about how much I spent on a component I just say “remember how much a new propeller for your dad’s boat cost?” and the conversation is over.
  • 5 0
 @sfarnum: how much was it?
  • 2 1
 @xvire: This is my quiver. Only missing a downcountry bike.
  • 2 2
 @sfarnum: 3,000 for bike wheels?!
Remember how retired and loaded your dad is? Yeah.. see?
  • 1 0
 @pmhobson: Like $1000.
  • 3 0
 If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up
  • 2 0
 I have an enduro bike, actually I think its a super enduro..... I'm looking at this sdeeriously, along with the Druid, Element, Optic. They offer different riding experiences, and opportunities. My big bike trucks, little bike plays. I have friding buddies with different skill sets, this keeps me happy on most terrain
  • 4 0
 @AProulx: Are we talking dream fleet?

Commencal Supreme, the previous model
Transition Spire, check
Transition Scout
Deviate Lowrider Ti
Forbidden Druid, or Scor 2030 or WAO Arrival 130
Spesh Epic Evo
Chromag Rootdown Ti
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: You, sir, have excellent taste in bikes!

I am also getting there:
Standard 125R BMX race bike for the pump track
Devinci Spartan
Norco Optic C (frameset on the way)
Kona Honzo ESD

At first, the Optic and ESD will share the same fork, wheelset and dropper, but will both end up being complete builds after a year or so.
  • 1 0
 @AProulx: nice,
I love those bikes
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 I'm imaging a reaction similar to when the word of the day was spoken on Pee Wee's Playhouse. AHHHHHH!!!!!
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  • 26 0
 This bike looks nice. I rode a 100mm/100mm 4X bike with a dropper as my trail bike for years, back when, and had a good time. But this new marketing theme that enduro/all-mtn bikes rob the fun from trails is the dumbest push in an industry of perennial dumb messaging. Like these tiny technical details that make arbitrary category boundaries are the gatekeeper between you and taking the ‘fun’ line. If you’re sitting in your office chair thinking 30 mm of travel or 2 mm of stanchion diameter or a few percent change in the ratio of front-center to rear-center is the difference between partying all day on your back wheel and erasing every bump from the trail, you might have forgotten how bike suspension works. Plus, isn’t this the site that remembers freeride is a thing? Smile
  • 10 1
 The bike companies keep sending the message that we need multiple bikes for different terrain but then go pricing them so most of us can't afford more than one bike.
  • 1 0
 @FaahkEet: There has never been a better time to own several mediocre, but different, bikes!
  • 2 1
 Hold up there friend, are you saying this bike will not automatically manuel those natural rollers that I have been uhh.. rolling on my enduro bike?
  • 16 0
 From the SCOR FAQ site about the 2030:

And finally, dare I ask about cable routing?

We know what you’re thinking and no, it doesn’t go through the headset. It is internally routed but it’s fully guided and rattle-free to make life easier and quieter – both on the bike and in the Pinkbike comments section.


I would say, well played there.
  • 16 0
 nice bike but the price just makes me wanna cry, spent less for an x01 nomad a few years back jesus
  • 16 0
 It used to be crazy if a bike was $5000 and specc'ed with a GX drivetrain. Now GX is effectively phased out (with Transmission taking over), and they're charging $7300 for the bike. No thanks.
  • 1 0
 @stevemokan: yep too rich for my blood. Seems like plenty of bikes out there with better specs that cost less
  • 1 0
 @stevemokan: if GX is phased out I quit
  • 3 0
 @stevemokan: true, if I'm not mistaken pre pandemic 5-6k ish gets you top of the line everything

now looking at this bike costing 7300 with a gx drivetrain just doesn't sit well with me
  • 2 1
 @Dogl0rd: look at all the other bike companies’ 2024 options. GX isn’t phased out, but it’s almost exclusively used as the low-tier build.
  • 16 0
 a new bike without headset cable tourism is always a win in these days.
  • 5 0
 Not only that, it's got the core reason cable tourism is bad. Adjustable headset cups! This + the SWAT box are why you can pry my Stumpy Evo from my cold dead hands, and this bike wold be the only thing fit for that job!
  • 13 0
 $5199 for NX? that's funny
  • 9 0
 Same as the Santa Cruz lineup. For 5k atleast give me SLX and some nice breaks!
  • 17 1
 @marshallthewolf: Breaks you say? Try the Commencal.
  • 3 0
 @marshallthewolf: Ok, you can have a 15 minute break, but no more than that!
  • 11 0
 I like how whoever was in marketing decided that BMC was so notoriously boring that they would have to come up with an entirely new brand to sell cool and interesting bikes.
  • 1 0
 They didn’t come up with it; they acquired the company.
  • 1 0
 @blackthorne: Nah
Scor was the component brand of BMC (think Roval for Specialized)
They just reused the name
  • 27 15
 Pinkbike: Bikes you don't need at prices you can't afford.
  • 40 0
 Welcome to mountain biking
  • 6 0
 Just wait until you find out the price of a nice windbreaker.
  • 11 0
 Finally! A Pinkbike staff comment that short chainstays and steep seat angles play well together!
  • 4 0
 Enduro really said the chainstays were the wrong size and messed up the ride on the larger sizes. Their 189cm reviewer actually preferred the M/L because of it
  • 11 0
 So they basically gave the Evil Following and Tallboy a rival
  • 18 1
 This is more expensive than either the Evil or the Santa Cruz, which is saying something.
  • 5 1
 Smuggler..
  • 2 3
 @vitaflo: it says they’re nuts
How can you compete with both lifetime warranties from both Santa and evil ( and the lifetime bearing once a year on evil too )
I don’t know
  • 4 4
 @nicoenduro: Evils ‘warranty’
  • 3 1
 @bobpretend:
Evil charged me lot for a 1/8 ounce touch up jar of paint.
  • 1 1
 @bobpretend: “you can do this” how much you want, join a owner group and ask around, don’t read what was happening 10 years ago online
  • 1 0
 @nicoenduro: My touch up paint didn't even match, didn't have the pearl in it. Drunkin Olive was the color. Ive had a Wreckoning and a Following and not impressed with the brand.
  • 1 0
 @FUbob: for the touch up paint not being good? if you’re not loving how they ride you have something wrong lemme tell you
  • 1 3
 @nicoenduro: Sorry, I speak English.
  • 1 0
 @nicoenduro: I had an insurgent. They stiffed me on the warranty when it cracked. I don’t need to join an owners group to know that Evil’s warranty isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.
  • 1 1
 @bobpretend: everyone i know that owns one and had a problem or cracked frame had nothing but great experience, don't know what to say.
  • 11 1
 What is more annoying than autoplay video? Two autoplay videos on the same Pinkbike post…
  • 2 0
 Hang your heads in shame Pinkbike web development team!
  • 6 0
 Just a bit of a signal boost on the Radon Skeen Trail 10.0.

€2600 for carbon front triangle, full GX, pike ultimate, deluxe S+ (2023), newmen wheels and maguras.

It's an absolute riot in my opinion, and the price is insane (in the right direction).
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flag nicoenduro (Sep 5, 2023 at 12:03) (Below Threshold)
 But radon rides like a 2600€ bikes
They can put all the nice parts but it’ll still ride like a cheap bike
  • 6 0
 @nicoenduro: Tell that to my fun receptor.
  • 12 0
 @nicoenduro: Thing is,you can buy the Radon,strip down the frame,buy a Scor frame ,put all that stuff on it and you have a better bike,cheaper AND a new Radon frame to sell.
  • 3 0
 @nicoenduro: Have you ridden a single radon?
  • 1 2
 @fred-frod: yes I rode the radon slide Trail, bobs like a camel on the uphill, sluggish and not easy to maneuver on the way down, not stable at all. I really disliked it, and these days almost all bikes ride quite nicely I must say having tried quite a lot
  • 8 0
 I have a Scor. I’m on my 2nd warranty claim. They’re very helpful but just note the bike has been a chore to keep running. Awesome when it is though.
  • 2 1
 What happened - did you snap the frame? How has the customer service experience been so far? I was seriously considering a 4060 LT frameset, but the surprising amount of complaints about reliability issues made me think again.
  • 1 0
 @Muscovir: i have two (one set at 140 and the other at 160). The 160 gets ridden hard with shuttle runs and enduro racing. Zero issues after over a year of riding.
  • 5 0
 @Muscovir: Support is responsive and I’m lucky to have a solid dealer local so that’s all been positive. Rear triangle needed replaced and the pivot hardware too. Now the linkage has developed an extremely loud snapping sound every time the rear compresses after the new rear triangle and hardware was installed. It is so loud that my mate stopped thinking I broke the frame. It’s possible, my shop is looking into it again. It was in the shop for a month waiting for parts, got 1 ride on it and it’s back in the shop. I actually bought a Capra to ride since it’s been in the shop and glad I did. Just got back from Sun Peaks and was super happy with the YT and at a fraction of the cost.
  • 2 2
 @daugherd: which shop sells scor and YT? I thaught the latter is only direct seller? Or is the capra 2nd hand?
  • 1 0
 Same exact experience here. Two warranty claims, dealer has been great but there have been some downtime. I’m also on my second failed x2 but that’s not scor’s fault. Had a YT Jeffsy and Capra for the same cost as this bike. I would go back to that combo if I were to do things over.
  • 1 0
 @effeffeff: I bought Capra on the YT site.
  • 9 2
 cool concept but the inability to take a piggy back shock is a mismatch with the frame weight and geometry. should have compared this with Evil following.
  • 7 0
 Don't know if all piggyback shocks work but they say you can fit a Super Deluxe without any issue.
  • 7 0
 SCOR makes such lovely looking bikes! I'd love to build one of these up for backcountry adventures and bike packing missions.
  • 8 0
 For those prices it should be spec'd with XX1->XO1->GX and NX should be nixed from existence.
  • 4 1
 I hate that my NX Eagle system has been flawless since 2019 through 1000-2000 miles of pure bike park, I can never join in on the NX bashing fun
  • 3 0
 @fewnofrwgijn: I see this take occasionally and I wonder if it’s not a bad design but bad quality control. Your NX happened to be made to spec, but there are many that weren’t.
  • 9 1
 So it’s basically a premium tallboy, or a tallboy with no ads if you will
  • 5 0
 Looks sweet. But that pricing is absurd. And that’s coming from someone who has a 4060 LT.

Glad they added some legitimate frame storage (at least better than the 4060).
  • 1 0
 My only real gripe on my 4060 is the frame storage. It's great place for the replacement derailleur hanger and that's about it.
  • 5 0
 Thank god for the bar chart to illustrate the pricing difference between models. I don't think I could have understood what +/- $2000 meant without it.
  • 4 0
 Since when is 29" considered playful? Just buy a Banshee Spitfire 27.5" front and rear and you have a playful bike. If you must have a mullet you can run a 29" front on the Spitty as well.
  • 5 0
 This is the most civilized mullet debate I have ever seen on Pinkbike. Nice work guys!
  • 5 0
 Korova Milk Bar, Rockwork Orange, and Wizard Burial Ground is a sick lap, theres some spice in there!
  • 5 0
 You had me at "BMX background"
  • 1 0
 I’ve noticed that Kaz’s tastes in grips matches pretty well with my own. But man, I tried those Bartender Pros and they were a big no for me. I found the pattern really irritating to my bare hands. The ridges are too firm, too hard of a durometer maybe? Super uncomfortable.
  • 2 0
 I've re found my love for short (ish) travel bikes, picked up a Trek fuel EX , last of the gen 5 for a price too good to ignore, so much fun. My bigger travel steed has sat unused for 9 weeks, this Scor looks awesome.
  • 2 1
 It's probably a pretty decent bike, but the competition in the aggressive short travel segment is pretty fierce. And going up against the likes of the Santa Cruz Tallboy, Norco Optic, Transition Smuggler, Yeti SB120, Giant Trance and Commencal Tempo, being "pretty decent" might not quite cut it these days. Especially not at this comparatively high price level.

Also, what's with the extremely low stack height? What were they thinking... That's an instant disqualification from my whish list.
  • 5 2
 Great thing about this is it isn't a Santa Cruz or Yeti.
  • 1 0
 And not to forget the 3 years unchanged YT Izzo (live unchanged instead of uncaged? Big Grin )
  • 1 0
 I agree.
I wish this bike had 448 chainstays. (Rocky Mountain instinct)
But I’m 6-4 and love my enduro geometry (transition spire)
That being said, and reading reviews// comments of other trailbikes where the people complain about long stays and steep seatubes, it appears that there is a modern bad ass woods weapon mountain bike for all of “idiosyncratic” us !!!!
  • 1 0
 In some aspects, very close geo to the Optic:

XL: Optic / 2030

Wheelbase: 1275 / 1267
Reach: 517 / 510
Suspension: 140 - 125 / 140 / 120.

Scor does a better job for larger riders vs Norco, at least in this comparison. I'm managing a XL but 6'0"
  • 4 1
 Disappointing. Not one mention that the Scor scored. Or maybe you did. I just look at the pictures and pros and cons.
  • 10 0
 Ya but he said you can store a Scor bar in the Scor so, redeemed.
  • 5 0
 Very short chainstays
  • 3 0
 I love short chainstays on this type of bike. Yeah it gives up some speed and stability, but it makes up for it with quicker, more playful handling and improved technical climbing.

I built a Trail 429 a year ago and pretty much stopped riding my enduro bike. No question it’s slower at top speed, but it does everything better at normal speed and it’s more fun.
  • 1 0
 dam you're not kidding, sub 430 for a medium!
  • 4 0
 The Spectral 125 CF7 is seriously insane value compared to this.
  • 1 0
 On paper looks like my 2018 Guerilla Gravity trail pistol. Same reach, same rear travel, same chainstay length... though I did use an angleset to get this HTA. A lot easier on the eyes than my old alloy GG tho.
  • 4 0
 nice bike but the price too much
  • 3 0
 No need to read the article, I’ve been tricked again, I must buy this bike according to the title.
  • 1 1
 It doesn’t make sense when I can build a better version of a bike for around the same cost (probably lower) as the build kits. It seems like the drivetrain manufacturers and bike companies are feeding each other higher profit margins. I absolutely love mountain biking but I hope the bottom falls out on these brands and their conglomerates.
  • 2 0
 On another note, after the soap box rant. The bike looks and sounds like the perfect trail bike just a terrible value proposition.
  • 4 0
 Need to spend $7k for a "fUN bIKe"
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer how does this compare to your Spur long-term tester? Built one up similar but this looks kinda fun (and solves a similar 'if I had one bike what could it be' query)
  • 6 3
 Shows picture of Tempo, doesn't write anything comparing 2030 to Tempo?
  • 8 0
 Oops, there’s a photo of the Spectral in there now.
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer: but if you were comparing it to the tempo.. thoughts? Top two contenders for next bike
  • 12 0
 @btom42, the actual construction of the Scor is much nicer than the Tempo - the bearings are sealed better, tolerances are tighter, and the housing doesn't go through the headset. As far as ride characteristics, the Tempo's steeper head angle and slightly shorter reach does make its handling feel a little quicker, and despite the 10mm chainstay difference between the two the Tempo felt a little livelier to me.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: The Tempo is a very fun bike on the trail.
  • 3 1
 Thats the price of my enduro bike + xc bike (and both have better specs)
"no" but its a beauty
  • 3 0
 I have a 4060 and realy like it. Dammit, now I want one of these.
  • 8 1
 Why? Yours is literally twice the bike that this is.
  • 1 0
 @VtVolk: why not? Lighter weight trail bike and a burlier big rig. N + 1
  • 1 1
 @VtVolk: slow clap....
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 @IMeasureStuff: Damnit.... went right over my head. lol
  • 2 0
 Just like putting my 140mm 36 on my Spur. Good times for some times, but not all the times.
  • 3 0
 Swiss Evil-looks like a riot for the well heeled hooligan.
  • 2 0
 A Swiss hooligan? I'm not sure what that'd be like, a hooligan who doesn't pick sides and remains neutral at all times.
  • 2 0
 @vinay: From Switzerland, speaks French
  • 1 1
 The problem with bikes like this is they aren’t stiff\burley enough.
120mm travel 140 up front 20mm front axle super boost rear 64headangle and a good reach with some dh wheels and rubber.
That’s what we all need.
  • 1 0
 Sounds like you want a Darco.
  • 2 0
 That's not at all true for the Santa Cruz Tallboy. Plenty stiff and burly.
  • 1 0
 If you can bump the rear travel to 130mm would it then make sense to run a 150mm fork (maybe a 36 for something beefier and have a 150/130 ripper?
  • 3 0
 That's certainly an option for riders that want to go that route - the frame is stiff enough and has the same strength rating as the 4060.
  • 1 0
 But then it's an entirely different category of bike!
  • 3 4
 We now have the ability to build a big bike that pedals 95% as good as a short travel bike. We also have the ability to build a short travel bike that can take hits like a big bike. Ummmm I will stick with a good pedaling big bike, this thing makes no sense to me.
  • 2 0
 I'm getting bored here. I'm just a simple guy riding hardtails and gravel bikes
  • 1 0
 Has PB ever tested the Orange Stage Evo? A Very different (Very British!) was of doing the 120mm,65degHA Trail Bikefun machine. Enjoying it muchly.
  • 1 0
 Love this, except the super slack actual seat angle. It means long legged proportioned people end up sitting over the cassette… deal breaker
  • 3 0
 Looks like an absolute blast. Thanks for another great review Kaz.
  • 1 0
 These comments re-affirm what I thought of the PB comment section. There's no redemption here; your only option is to build a low-priced metal bike from day 1 or you're F'd.
  • 2 0
 So let me know finally whether it's 2030 or 2023 model year bike? Smile
  • 2 0
 Perfect looking bike for my region. Won't be buying at that price.
  • 2 0
 Geo is very similar to Bird Aether 9. Seems like a fun bike
  • 4 2
 copy paste evil following
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 2.5 degrees slacker HTA. Copy paste evil following is a stretch. It's a modern evil following. Because evil forgot to change their geo with their most updates. Or, you could say, the evil is better for rolling terrain, while this is for winch and mellow plummet riding. Or something. But they're not the same
  • 2 0
 The seat angle the following needs; angle set.
  • 2 0
 Wizard Burial Ground is hard work even on a 170/160mm bike!
  • 3 1
 Sounds like an Evil rear end paired with a Tranny front end.
  • 1 0
 170 PSI in the Rock Shox Deluxe FORK?

Where is the review of said fork? Wink
  • 1 0
 Another unneeded rear sus system that doesn't allow for a large water bottle. Everything else seems very interesting.
  • 1 0
 The Skor candy bar in he storage compartment just killed me...! Smile
  • 1 0
 Seems like a spectral 125 competitor
  • 1 0
 Is that a new bolt on RockShox fender?
  • 1 0
 ah thanks @marshallthewolf !
  • 1 0
 looks like they solved the problem with mud under the shock
  • 1 0
 Kinda like an updated evil following.
  • 1 0
 Will this help me scor?
Asking for a friend.
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 Where's the stack?
  • 1 1
 You don't speak for me, I knew I wanted a Scor.
  • 3 3
 @mikekazimer 120mm rear 140mm front- doesn't that fell unbalanced?
  • 5 0
 No more than a hardtail with any suspension fork.
  • 3 0
 Human legs are also better at doing suspension duties than human arms. Hence I think the front doesn't mind a bit more cushioning than the rear.
  • 1 0
 Nah I ran a 140mm fork on my Tallboy 4 and it felt great. If the bike is designed around a 140mm fork then you wouldn't even notice the difference in travel honestly.
  • 1 0
 I don’t want it
  • 1 0
 gross seat angle
  • 2 4
 Over fork a giant trance advanced and you basically have this bike, right down to the co-rotating links
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 Left out the Speech Status 140 as a comparable bike.
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 SANTACRUZ >scor
  • 1 1
 Where is the motor
  • 3 6
 Does it have the same mud trap as the 4060?
  • 13 2
 Try reading, you might learn some stuff
  • 1 3
 baby specalized enduro
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