Review: 700 Kilometers of Monster-Trucking the Specialized Turbo Kenevo

Jan 2, 2019
by Paul Aston  



Specialized was one of the first big hitters to embrace e-mountain bikes when their first Turbo Levo appeared out of nowhere. Reminiscing about the big S's past, it was no surprise to see them go all-in with a proprietary motor developed in conjunction with Brose, their own integrated battery, a phone app, and a silhouette that was closer to a normal MTB than anything else at the time.

Launched in July 2017, the Turbo Kenevo is the young, more aggro bro' of the Levo. Boasting a whopping 180mm of travel front and rear, an Ohlins TTX coil shock as standard, and aggressive geometry, this bike only wants two things: to get up to the top easily, and monster-truck down. Don't let the handy space for a water bottle fool you into thinking it wants to anything else. The Kenevo is available in four sizes from S through XL, and it's priced at €5999.
Levo Kenevo Details

Intended use: enduro / self-shuttling DH
Travel: 180mm rear / front
Wheel size: 27.5+
Frame construction: M5 aluminum
Suspension: RockShox Lyrik RCT3 fork / Ohlins TTX coil shock
Motor: Specialized/Brose 1.3, custom Rx
Battery: Specialized M1, 504 wh, integrated
Sizes: S, M, L, XL
Weight: 24.42kg (XL, tubes, w/o pedals, actual.)
Price: €5999
More info: www.specialized.com

bigquotesDespite the long travel and weight, the bike doesn't feel like a slouch; direction changes are quick and easy and it sits nicely into corners. Paul Aston

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Self-shuttling downhill runs with a water bottle cage - the next step for humanity?

Construction & Features

The Kenevo's aluminum chunky front triangle mirrors the Enduro's 'X-Wing' frame profile, with the necessary bumps and bulges to streamline its electronics. The FSR rear suspension is equally overbuilt and it drives a yoke to compress an Ohlins TTX coil shock.

The rest of the frame meets common standards for 2018: 148mm Boost rear hub spacing, a tapered head tube and, (hold on) it has a massive, 34.9mm diameter seat tube. The oversize tube accommodates Specialized's new 'Wu' Command post - the one that tilts the saddle at the same time it's moving up and down.

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Short, 165mm Praxis cranks arms are connected to the Brose drive unit.

I have been ranting about short crank arms ever since I first swung a leg over an eMTB. Specialized fits all their Turbo eMTBs with 165mm Praxis cranks as standard, and while they are not the super-short 160mm/150mm cranks that we are starting to see, 165mm is compact enough to give good clearance for technical climbing.

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Specialized have tried to keep the Kenevo simple, with a small, push-button controller to toggle modes on the trail.
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The charging dock is hidden away from spray and closes securely. The bike will not power up if it is not closed properly.


Simple Electronic Controls

One of Specialized's main goals with eMTB's is to create a bike that is as easy and intuitive to ride as your normal mountain bike, so they have kept things simple with the electronics. Some eMTB's have bulky screens and levers to activate and adjust, where Specialized simply use a small button control next to the left grip. This control can toggle up and down between power modes using two buttons, while the 'S' button on top puts you directly into Turbo from any mode. There is a separate 'walk mode' button underneath the panel, which is found on most eMTB's to help drive the bike up steep slopes or steps, so you don't have to push it.

The second part of the control system is a svelte LED block on the side of the down tube. Buttons on the panel power the bike on and off, and can also be used to change power modes. The LED array also displays the remaining battery charge.

Another part of the bike's electrical system that Specialized have aced is their 'Mission Control' smartphone app, which is really easy to use. The app pairs quickly to the bike and is used to adjust the level of power assist in each mode via slide bars. The app also can be used to track GPS routes and it gives you information like the number of miles ridden, charging status, and battery health.

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The down tube LED panel is used to turn the bike on and off, toggle modes, and display how much charge remains.


Custom battery

The battery does not use a key to secure it like most systems. Instead, a 6mm bolt locks it in place. Not as effective as a key lock, but it should ward off time-crunched battery thieves and make your life easier when you have lost the key. The battery itself is a 504 watt-hour unit that is proprietary to Turbo Kenevo's and Levo's. Designing their own battery helps with aesthetics and streamlines the frame - but a dedicated battery can make finding a replacement more difficult. I would be wary of that on bikes from smaller brands, but a giant like Specialized should make it easier to get replacements in the future. Bear in mind that these batteries should last around 1000 cycles, which equates to a 2 to 3-hour ride, every day, for three years.

More Powerful Motor

And finally, to the motor. In conjunction with German motor specialists, Brose, Specialized built the Kenevo around the Turbo 1.3 motor. Specialized claim this has better heat management in the motor and 15% more torque than its predecessor. More power may be on the horizon too. Since this Kenevo was delivered, the new Turbo Levo was released with the Brose's new 2.1 motor, which promises to be quieter, with more power, torque, efficiency, and lower weight. It will be interesting to see if Specialized makes the 2.1 a running change on the Kenevo.

Geometry & Sizing

Specialized were ahead of the game earlier this decade with bigger, slacker bikes and proper sizing, but now the industry has caught up and they look average. Except for the new Stumpy Evo, they have yet to jump on the super long/low/slack bandwagon, but the Kenevo's numbers still suggest that it wants to go fast, and mostly downhill.

The range of sizing is wide, going from a 407mm reach in the small size, to a 478mm in the XL frame I tested. The head angle is an aggressive 65º, and the seat angle is 74.3º in the XL size. The bottom bracket drop is -9mm (350mm above terra firma), and the chainstays are fairly short for an eMTB at 443mm.

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Suspension Design

The Kenevo uses Specialized's tried and trusted four-bar FSR suspension layout. The seatstay drives a small rocker link and the shock is, in turn, driven with the yoke arrangement that Specialized has been using on most of its trail bikes. The yoke features Specialized's proprietary shock mount, which makes it more difficult to find aftermarket options, but the Ohlins TTX damper is one of the best out there with the correct tune.


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Code brakes with 200mm rotors. I wouldn't want anything less on an eMTB

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Specialized's Wu Command dropper tilts the saddle in conjunction with vertical movement.
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Specialized do not use SRAM's eMTB specific drivetrain. Just standard 11-speed GX with an eMTB 1-click shifter.


Build

For the €5999 price tag, the 180mm-travel Kenevo comes with an Ohlins TTX coil shock paired with a 180mm RockShox Lyrik RCT3 fork. SRAM also supply Code R brakes with 200mm rotors, and an 11-speed, 11-42, GX drivetrain - including the 'one-click' eMTB shifter that only allows one gear to be changed per push, (opposed to 2-3 with a standard shifter). Surprisingly, Specialized do not choose SRAM's e-specific EX1 groupset which uses a stronger chain with eight gears and wider gaps between each gear, as well as a cleverly machined, one-piece, steel cassette that makes for a more reliable system.

The rest of the build features Specialized's branded components including a Roval 38mm inner-width wheelset and Butcher Grid 2.8" rubber. Contact and steering points including the handlebar, stem, grips, saddle, Wu dropper post, and even a SWAT bottle cage, all from the big S's wide range of products.

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The rest of the build is finished off with Specialized's own components.


Specifications
Specifications
Price $7550
Travel 180mm / 180mm
Rear Shock Öhlins TTX Coil
Fork RockShox Lyrik RCT3, 27.5", Solo Air, Boost™
Cassette SRAM PG-1130, 11-42t
Crankarms Praxis, 2D cold-forged alloy, custom offset, 165mm
Bottom Bracket Specialized 1.3, custom Rx Trail-tuned motor, 250W nominal
Rear Derailleur SRAM GX 11x
Chain KMC X11ET
Shifter Pods SRAM GXe,
Handlebar Specialized, 6061, 27mm rise, 800mm width
Stem Specialized Trail, 45mm
Grips Specialized Sip Grip, half-waffle
Brakes SRAM Code R 200mm
Hubs Specialized, 15x110mm thru-axle, 28h, 12x148mm thru-axle, 28
Spokes DT Swiss Industry
Rim 27.5" 38mm internal width
Tires Butcher, GRID casing, GRIPTON® compound 27.5 x 2.8"
Seat Body Geometry Henge Comp
Seatpost Command Post WU 125/150mm of trave



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Setup Notes

Finale Ligure supplied the proving grounds for the Kenevo, and where better to test than a place that has held six EWS events, has a myriad of trails and has recently started adding eMTB climbs to their trail network and maps?

I rode the XL-sized Kenevo, which has a 478mm reach and 45mm stem. The 800mm handlebar is my preferred width, but I swapped out the thick grips that come on the large and XL sizes for some thinner ones to suit my taste.

Initial settings on the Kenevo were 20/22psi in the 2.8 Butcher tires, the stock 502lb spring on the Ohlins TTX set with the high-speed compression open, -11 on the low-speed compression and the low-speed rebound at -3 clicks. The Lyrik fork was set with 85psi and -9 clicks of low-speed rebound, and with the compression open.

Paul Aston
Paul Aston
Location: Finale Ligure, Italy
Age: 32
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 75kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @astonator
KM's ridden: ~700

Specialized Kenevo


Climbing

Out of the gate, the first thing to notice on the Kenevo is how quiet it is. Its Brose 1.3 motor is much more subtle than Shimano's E8000 and it makes a Bosch motor sound like a clunky farm tractor as it engages.

The Kenevo's motor feels more natural than anything else I have tried. It matched pedaling torque with my cadence and power almost seamlessly, but it's not perfect. The downside is that in technical terrain I occasionally lost power assist for intervals at critical moments when I was timing pedal strokes through rocks. That can really kill your speed. I learned to compensate for that lag by using short, ratcheting pedal strokes on technical sections to keep the sensors engaged and the motor turning. On the positive side, the Kenevo climbs smoothly up choppy trails as well or better than its closest competition, thanks to a delayed cut-off feature that eases off the power-assist after you have stopped pedaling.

The geometry is average for climbing on an eMTB. The 75º seat tube angle, however, could be steeper, especially for taller riders. The Wu Command post was a great help for climbing as it tilts the saddle's nose down as it extends, which should help to shift the rider's weight forward to pin the front wheel on the ground, but some of the gains there are lost by the post-head's rearward offset saddle clamp.

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Descending

The Kenevo is not just quiet going uphill, it is also really quiet on the descents. Chain slap is well damped by rubber guards, although I added a patch of rubber tape to protect a spot under the seat stay. There was no battery rattle or anything else to be heard while hammering out laps.

The first job before dropping in is to drop the post... and the Wu Command post was a letdown on the descents. Despite what Specialized say, the Wu's drop does not feel like 150mm. The most amount of travel I could measure (way at the back of the saddle), was 133mm. When measured where my sit bones rested, the drop was more like 125mm. This post also extends super fast, so lightly weighting it as you actuate the lever and letting it rise up slowly makes for a less terrifying experience. The added complexity of the post increases its stack height too. With the post slammed down in the 510mm seat tube, I was left longing for a lower saddle – in fact, this is this first bike I can recall that I could not get the saddle as low as I needed to.

As anticipated, the Turbo Kenevo really comes alive when heading downhill. It travels well over the terrain and stays composed. Heavier weight and more travel mean you can send it into territory that you would happily take a downhill bike to, but then you can ride back up again up another run. Add a dual-crown fork and it would be a self-shuttling DH bike.

Despite the long travel and weight, the bike doesn't feel like a slouch; direction changes are quick and easy and it sits nicely into corners as it tracks through them. There's enough progression in the system to take on all but the biggest of hits, and small bump sensitivity is fantastic. The only thing that I wanted more from the bike was reward when pumping terrain, but it does not generate much speed here, a compromise that is made when having such good bump absorbing characteristics and little pedal kickback.

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The Frankenstein Kenevo

I prefer 29-inch wheels on all my bikes, so after a sufficient review period, I decided to switch the Kenevo's 27.5+ wheels to 29" hoops. All 27.5+ plus bikes can take big wheels, right? Wrong. Despite the fact that there were 27.5" x 2.8" Butcher tires fitted to the Specialized, a 29" wheel with a normal 2.35" tire wouldn't fit - front or rear. I tried a shorter travel Formula 29" fork and rode the Kenevo with mismatched wheels (it handled better and I had my best ride in this configuration). I even threw an Ohlins downhill fork on the bike, which made for a great slack-steering monster on the downs, but was unwieldy while climbing. The added confidence from the dual crown fork was great, but the 200mm travel and 29" wheel travel raised the headtube too high, a shorter travel version could have worked wonders.

The Verdict: Beyond the nonsense and expense of swapping wheels and forks, the quickest and easiest way for anybody to get better performance from the Kenevo will be to swap to some heavier tires like Maxxis with Double Down or Schwalbe Super Gravity casings or just go for the full-DH casings. Hopefully Specialized will make a running change to their new Blck Dmnd casing as standard on this machine, or if buying from a quality local bike shop, they will sort this for you before ride #1.



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How does it compare?

The Kenevo is almost in a class of its own, as it is one of the few bikes with Brose power and uses many of Specialized's own tweaks and tuning. The closest competitor I have tested is the Vitus e-Sommet, which has 160mm of rear-wheel travel and 170mm up front. The Kenevo wins on refinement, the quietness of the motor, and its intuitive control system, when compared to the Vitus' Shimano Steps powerplant.

The Specialized also has much more trucking power and pure brute that gets you through almost anything you want. The Vitus wins on value from its direct-sale platform. It also travels over ground much more lightly and it is more nimble than the Kenevo, which is not surprising when its weight is closer to 26kg with real rubber. The Vitus almost matches the Kenevo's downhill performance, and handles better while climbing.


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Technical Report

Command Post WU Dropper: The concept of the Wu post is fantastic, along with going up and down like a normal dropper, a lever also tilts the saddle forwards as it goes up. This meant I could set the comfy nose-down position that I prefer, but then have a relaxed, tilted-back DH position for descending. The DH position drops the rear of the saddle lower and out of your way. Despite Specialized's claims that the actual 110mm travel of the dropper post feels more like 150mm because of the extra tilt, I'm not convinced. I would like to see a longer-stroke version in the future, especially on such a capable descender.

Specialized Butcher Grid Tires: The Butcher Grid tires are too flimsy for a bike with this heft. Within two rides, I had amassed over ten punctures (with and without tubes) and had forged the rear rim into a replica of Aaron Gwin's infamous Leogang tire-less World Cup wheel. The fix was to ditch the Specialized tires and mount some Schwalbe Eddy Current eMTB specific tires. I mounted a 27.5" x 2.8" tire rear and a 2.4" up front both with Super Gravity casings and Addix Soft compound.

E-beer Belly: The shape and location of the Brose motor and battery leave the belly of the bike hanging lower and farther forward than most bikes sporting Shimano or Bosch motors - meaning a few more bangs and scrapes going over big trail obstacles. There was no serious damage to the Brose motor and the plastic protection did its job, but it is well-scarred after more than 700kms.


Specialized Kenevo

Pros

+ Exceptionally smooth and quiet
+ Massive downhill performance
+ Good value and specification
Cons

- Pathetic dropper-post travel
- High total seat height
- Flimsy Grid casing tires can't keep up with the bike


The Turbo Kenevo Rider...

I have warned against buying niche eMTB's in the past. If I were spending my own money today, I'd have a tough time straying from the two main players (Bosch and Shimano), in order to be sure my bike would have the best chance of a long life, with more service centers and readily available spares in the future. Specialized is the anomaly, especially in Europe. Reportedly, 50% of serious eMTB riders choose Specialized platforms, which indicates that service and parts availability for Brose motors could be on par with its two rivals.

If you want a bike that is good enough for any downhill, is quiet and intuitive, with great climbing performance (considering its DH orientation), then the only way you can go wrong with the Kenevo is if you can't get the seat low enough for your descending style, or you are foolish enough to leave the flimsy Grid tires on.



Pinkbike's Take
bigquotesThe Turbo Kenevo is a real downhill weapon with a high level of refinement. A bike that will give open-minded riders a glimpse of what the future of downhill riding in many areas will become. Paul Aston








100 Comments

  • + 38
 Easy and quick in turns? Pardon me, I´ve spent a day on this bike while shooting some images for review article in a mag.
And I can´t really agree with you. With all it´s weight, those bloody 2,8 tires and all the travel, this bike makes me feel like I am riding on a pregnant rhino, slow, sluggish, heavy, no feedback, yeah it goes thru everything no matter what it is,but it is sooooo boring to ride it. Honestly you can get a tractor tire, hop inside and roll down a hill and it´s gonna be very simmilar, but cheaper. In a fact I wasnt doing more laps because I could pedal up easily, just because riding the fattie back down was no fun.
  • - 1
 agree!,., and there is something really wrong in this sentence "Reportedly, 50% of serious eMTB riders choose Specialized platforms".....
  • + 1
 got to agree, I thought the regular levo was a minding numbing tank with zero agility. insane amounts noob friendly stability yes. but a absolute pig. can't see how this would be any better. and yep those tires are worthless. Hard as rocks or there shreded. no grip. but that's plus tires for ya. I also found the fact it keeps the power on for a split second after you come of it causes me not end of grief on technical climbs when I needed the power off to get the front wheel down to turn or maintain balance ect and the bike kept flying forward into a rock hole or off a cliff ect only way was to turn the power to minimum to calm it down. which defeated the purpose of a e bike to me. as a fat lazy old git i want to love them but I don't
  • + 0
 Thought the same when I read the specs, this thing weighs more than Demo 9 from 2005...
  • + 0
 I can totaly agree!
Its realy heavy, I couldnt get ist around any turn,the BB feels to way high and bottom outs are generated easier than anything else. I have been much faster on other ebikes. Also the brose motor can not compete with Shimano riding side by side uphills. But yes you dont hear the bike.
PS: The Bike had a 150mm dropper post and 650b 2.4" tires, so it should have been rideable at all.
Not that much of a fun bike.
  • + 2
 Actually takes time to get used to the extra weight of an ebike, handling and feelings are different. I ended up selling mine because when moving from the ebike to my "normal" bike, and viceversa, I needed a day or so to gain confidence and go to the fullest. There was no point changing bikes and I finally kept the Reign.
  • - 3
 I tried to look at that bike from normal people's point of view, that's what I came up with...

''Very nice Moped you have there, but strange that they use bicycle parts on it. Moped would perform much better with special Moped parts on it. Gearboxes are very good on Mopeds, also inverted dual crown forks are quite nice to have, brakes could be bit bigger and more heat resistant, and what about that dumb speed limiter is it a joke a Moped with a limiter? Ok when you give one to a kid then I understand, but if you are a grown up then ride the f*ck out of it till the limiter, with that weak motor it wont go more than 30 mph anyway. I suggest manual power control, put it on the handlebar that should be comfy, also it would make drive unit much more simple, then you can throw that pedal assist crap and all sensors away cause it only adds weight and makes it complicated. You can leave the cranks and pedals for occasion when your battery get empty and you still have to ride somewhere, I have nothing against that.''
  • + 0
 Velo? Smile
  • + 5
 guys no one buys an e bike for agility... they are all heavier than standard bikes
  • + 11
 Just wait for the Evo Kenevo. It'll fly over rivers.
  • + 1
 @Kaspy: jj
  • + 1
 I own an 18 Enduro Comp 27.5 and at 16kg in XL the weight does affect how it handles. The Kenevo must be a tank.
  • + 1
 @Abite:
true but it was way way worse than I thought it would be. very disappointed.
I wanna ride one with regular 2.5 tires to see if its caused by the plus wheel weight and no grip that makes them so bad. hoping with regular wheels they will get some fun back to usable levels.
  • + 1
 @headshot: around 23 kilos!
  • + 37
 I like it when pinkbike uses metric instead of imperial.
  • - 7
flag zonoskar (Jan 2, 2019 at 4:32) (Below Threshold)
 That's probably because this is aimed at non-US readers.

@Specialized: please make a 130mm 29er version of this that weighs in at 16Kg or less.
  • + 32
 Pinkbike should really make a separate website for e-bikes, much like GMBN have the E-MBN channel. It would allow you to do more detailed features on e-bikes without feeling like you have to balance the content as it is at the moment.
  • + 3
 Amen to that!
  • - 17
flag zokinjo (Jan 2, 2019 at 8:19) (Below Threshold)
 @Garpur44:
shut the f*ck up....
  • + 7
 So, to bow down to the fools that don't seem to realise they have a choice NOT TO READ THE E-BIKE stuff, Pinkbike
has to make a separate website!? - just so idiots that refuse to read how e-bikes work, dont get triggered when an e-bike article appears. how about a separate site for XC and 29ers or those that like boost standards or a separate hardtail site, or one for slopestyle as thats not real MTB right!!!! - come on!!

the mountain bike community needs to band together, not in-fight, in-fighting means that those that want to ban mountain biking and revoke access to routes have more ammunition, - stronger together people, stronger together
  • + 2
 They do. It's the european version of Pinkbike. Notice there isn't a single US or Canadian comment?
  • + 20
 A few of us hired E-Bikes when we were in the Alps a few months ago. We actually wanted proper bikes, but they only hired out electric ones. So we took them out over three days.

It was not mountain biking.

The weight is so great you cant hop, pop and move them about like a mountain bike. You just hang on and plough through. Fine for beginners, but once we got over the fact you didn't need to work uphill, we found them very unsatisfying doing any real mountain biking. Where you need to move over/around trail obstacles, or ride light over stuff, or swap lines etc., they were horrible.

I can see the attraction for unfit riders, or those who cant pedal far/hard. But for us they were a let down. On the plus side we were able to ride all day in the Alps, but on the negative side it really wasn't fun on the techy bits or DH bits. We also found ourselves constantly worrying about running them flat and being in the wrong valley. No way can you pedal it far without the motor working.
  • + 3
 I had exactly the same observations when I have borrowed an e-bike from my mother (who is 58 btw). I could barely bunnyhop a tiny water-draining gap on a fireroad. After getting back to my "normal" bike there was - "wow, it rides soo good!". I think they are great for just pedaling in the mountains or for people who are very very good bikers and can overcome the weight. However, they will not bring new people to the sport, since it is almost impossible to learn proper technique on in. If you start by an e-bike, you will always remain a mediocre rider at best.
  • + 1
 I demoed one from my LBS, ran it around the woods, on full turbo , flew up hills, crashed it a few times, flattened the battery and had to pedal 2 miles to get home, the last bit was bloody hard work.
  • + 3
 You need to be strong enough to muscle it for hops, pops and move them about. See Fabian Barell or Sam Pilgrim for an example. Your body needs to move around a lot more to be playful on them.

I've found I get the same distance, but do it quicker, great for a time poor ride but not an all day epic.

They are good for fit strong riders who can muscle it around corners (where they can be faster), sprint it uphill, and keep pedaling when the motor stops, be it the speed limit or dead battery.

Imagine fatigue you'd get by doing hours of downhill without the shuttle/chairlift rests, that's emtb.
  • + 13
 2 guys were riding these at my local DH spot at the weekend, they did 12 runs in the time we did 5 runs (our trails have a short but steep 8-10 minute push up)

Makes total sense to me (If I had the cash I'd buy one for sure)
  • + 3
 That's what was in my mind last summer when I rented a Levo for the day. I was totally considering chopping my Nomad in for a Kenevo. After six hours I went totally off the idea. Too heavy, and not really engaging to ride. I will reconsider when they drop the weight down to something reasonable and try to get a bit more weight bias onto the front tyre. 17kg with better weight distribution might convince me. As it is, the back end takes a fucking beating.
  • + 3
 That's exactly why i bought one, i rode about 10 metres up hill on a levo and i was sold on the idea. I don't have enbough time anymore to spend my day pushing uphill for a few runs and driving 2 hours to an uplift day and spending 60 quid in the process just doesnt compute either. mine only has 2.6 tyres and they will be replaced with schwalbe soon enough but it's great. i can get my usual 3 hour push ride at the local dh track done in an hour lol.
  • + 1
 @jaame: I got a Nomad 4 and bolted on a Paradox system. Dont even use the car anymore around town. 700m elevation up Ben cleuch and back down. Loop it. The Nebit is my Dh hill and I lap it so many times when most people will do it just once. Depends where you ride. If i go to Innerleithen or the Golfie I just take it off or use my Supreme SX which I find to be a better bike down there.
  • + 2
 @700Pirate: what is paradox? A bolt on motor?
  • + 1
 @700Pirate: Those things ain't cheap but... sure do look great...
  • + 12
 I rather would buy this one:

www.ktm.com/it/e-ride

lot more fun, it dosent pretend to look like a very ugly mtb, and it's made by guys that know better how to make motorbikes...
...I just hope that this ebike industrial orgasm will deflate soon ...,
  • + 3
 100% agree
Plus why can I go and buy a brand new Enduro MX bike off the shelf for less than the S works ebike? Crazy!!!!!
  • - 3
 ...or Hibike Nduro Xduro 180mm F/R
  • + 8
 Surely this climbs like and XC bike and descends like a DH bike. Actually having ridden an E Bike I can see why some people would enjoy it. One thing I did notice is that it evened out the fitness gap between the fittest and least fittest of the 3 of us which let us ride together for 3 hours and no one having to stop to wait for anyone.
  • + 3
 What happens when the fit ones get one?
  • - 8
flag Kalsonic12 (Jan 2, 2019 at 1:40) (Below Threshold)
 @ChazzMichaelMichaels: The fit ones then have more fun.
  • + 2
 @ChazzMichaelMichaels: all 3 of us rode an e bike and the rider who rides a couple times a year (used to ride every weekend till a few years ago) kept up with the 2 who ride every week (2-4 times per week) without hold9ng us up at all and all of us had a great time. Part of me hates to say this but we had a great time but I won’t be buying one however will rent one once a year for the hell of it.
  • + 10
 The pricing of the ebikes is amazing. About same component spec Enduro (cf) is more expensive, what? #whoisgettingrobbed
  • + 1
 this makes me mad too
  • + 2
 The new Turbo Levo has a dismal spec for the money (specifically on the base model)
Spent £4000 and I’m genuinely looking at immediately adding a dropper and swapping out sektor forks for lyrik or pikes.
It makes more sense then spending £5000 on the equally disappointingly specced comp
  • + 7
 I use a kenevo for a year, I replaced the wheels with the DT HX 1700 30 mm, the original tires with a pair of Maxxis DD 2.5, with Vittoria tire insert, and the terrible original seatpost, too high for me, with a classic reverb, I'm very happy with the bike and I really enjoy it in Finale Ligure
  • + 10
 I’m really scared to ride one.

Only because I know I will have to have one.
  • + 6
 After 25 yrs grinding pedals up steep ass fire roads on all sorts of bikes from full rigid to full sus and at 60 years old I WILL enjoy an emtb as it allows me to keep getting g out there. So to all you haters, some of us old timers need a slight help up but still I'll be all over ya on the way down, his to f#£ k u off.
  • + 2
 Don't mind me on my CRF250 then.
  • - 1
 Cool rant. I hope you weren’t one of the two boomers on Kenevos at the bottom of Turners, one of the best flow/jumps trails Nelson, telling us how the trail doesn’t ride well.
  • + 9
 "Weight: 24.42kg (XL, tubes, w/o pedals, actual.)"

10kgs less, no motor - would be a great bike. Wink
  • + 5
 I have had a Kenevo for a year now. Rides great for knocking out the miles and Getting runs in better and descents as you can get up harder climbs. I ride 15-18 miles now instead of 10 on my old yeti SB6c in a similar time (mostly in eco mode
BUT..... every time I ride my DH BIKE IT BLOWS THE KENEVO AWAY!!! Downhill bikes are Waaaay more fun to ride.
Back to the Kenevo, Maintanence is higher, the mech hangers get bent a lot, if you don’t lube the bb area it starts getting stiff, the seatpost is very average quality but the way it lays back when down is great, first thing I did was put normal enduro hope wheels on with 2.6 tyres as it makes it ride more like a normal bike. In the mud it’s hard to stop due to the weight (iv even got hope v4’s on it), the longest ride I have done was 38 miles in eco mode.
I will be honest as I have thought about going back to a normal trail bike until I rode one again lol
If you are looking for an ebike that more DH oriented the kenevo is a good bet.
I test rode the Levo before hand, they felt the exact same on the climbs but the Levo was terrible on the descents.
Iv been racing and riding for 26 years now, I’ve ridden every generation of mountain bikes, ebikes have a long way to go to become refined and as good as a standard high quality bike.
It’s taken 26 years to get to a point where Yeti’s don’t break every time you ride them lol
  • + 5
 Good uses for Ebikes - The old, the disabled, bikepackers and the part timers.

If you ride week in week out and you idea of having fun on a bike is getting rowdy with your buds sending, hucking and flicking you're bike around aka mountain biking then you already know that Ebikes aren't for you and never will be. Ever tried to manual an Ebike?

If you're lazy, physically incapable or pushed for time have at it and make the most of your time on two wheels
  • - 2
 So much hate. You need counseling
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 Couldn't disagree with you more. You should try the new 2019 Levo; you can send, huck, flick and manual but over 400% more times in the same time as you could a normal mtb. More riding = more fun.
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 If you're gonna make an e-bike, make it a downhill bike, instead of an enduro bike. Toss on a dropper and you're good to go! Gets you up the hill without much fuss and rides down even better due to the extra sprung weight. I tried an e-bike once and it was pretty nice, but still managable even with the motor off.
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 Haibike has a DH bike like you describe,regular dh bike with a dropper,big 10-50 cassette and of course,a motor. It can tow 3-4 bikes uphill no problem like any other ebike. I love ridding with people on ebikes,you can grab your buddy an get a good rest while moving your feet like doing something.
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 Yes, this makes a lot of sense though I'd say a few things would need to change. You may want to be able to swap batteries on full day of DH riding. And bike parks will recharge them on a pay-per-charge basis or something like that. Because you won't need a capacity for a full day you can get away with multiple lighter batteries instead of a heavy one that lasts a long day of riding. Add to that that because of the geometry of a DH bike, you still won't be climbing really steep technical stuff. And as such the motor won't need the same power that these e-enduro bikes need. So a lighter battery and a lighter motor might bring the weight down a little. The way it is now is a bit like working in the office and carrying your complete lunch in your pockets all day. And because that feels so heavy, you're going to take the elevator instead of the stairs.
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 @homerjm: yeah.
Was in Finale Ligure last week and shuttled half a day with a bunch of french guys on Haibike's e-DH.
Whoever say that an e-bike doesn't jump or pop, need to try one or, at least, need some coaching (i need some coaching too, but i'm hopeless).
I'm not that interested in this e-bike stuff, and i can't speak for the kenevo, but haibike's e-DH surely can pop
  • + 1
 @Becciu: How are the conditions down there? Thinking about taking the long drive..
  • + 0
 @vinay: For the bikepark you can take the battery out if there is an uplift service and use the bike like any other bike. Geometry in an ebike is not so important,DH guys just keep the assistance level to max and chill while climbing. It is not a bike for tech climb,but for a fire roads is just perfect. Haibike DH pedals OK like any other new bike i think.
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 @homerjm:

..hahahah... parazit...
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 @Becciu:

...you've stolen it from my tongue... Big Grin
  • + 2
 @Becciu: My boss used to ride a Moterra (till it was stolen) and it was a fun bike to ride. We work doing uplift service in Spain and an ebike is a very useful tool as a trail guide to get a big group of riders in control or explore new trails. You can easy climb back to assist someone and carry a heavy backpack full of spares,water,good first aid kit...and the best part,you can tow people no problem.
  • + 0
 @homerjm:

that"s it..
  • + 1
 @ssteve: last week's weather was gorgeus, so the trails
  • + 4
 just got mine, so strange at first, live in uk so changed tyres to magic mary 2.6. more i ride it more i love it. you gotta live with these things to appreciate them and get used to them, like anything else. i cant say its mountain biking because its just so different, what i do know is i grin ear to ear a lot more so for me thats job done, and still ride with normal bikes so alls good.
  • + 7
 E-bikes are so last year. Hover bikes are the future.
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 Fancy one of these for riding on rest days. Give my legs a rest but still use core and upper body muscles on the downhills.

I think I’d continue to ride 3 times a week on normal bike and then ride 2 times extra per week because of the kenevo. Especially as it means I could smash out the 2 miles of road I have to do to get to the trails from my front door in 5 minutes.
  • + 3
 Most people know already that the Kenevo rocks. What a shed load of fun. Just add 2.6 tough casing tyres and maybe a dual crown and you have your own uplift DH bike. Love it
  • + 6
 Was I the only one to think 'towed by a monster truck for 700kms'?!
  • + 10
 "Electrified Downhill monster truck" says it all. Doesn't fit into my idea of what mountainbiking is about...
  • + 0
 Best thing of any ebike it can tow like 3-4 guys no problem. It is really fun mixing regular bikes and ebikes if e-people grab their non e-buddy an push him.
  • + 2
 I use a kenevo for a year, I replaced the wheels with the DT HX 1700 30 mm, the tires with a couple of Maxxis DD 2.5, the brakes with Formula Cura 4 with 203 mm rotors and the terrible original seatpost, too high for me, with a classic rockshox reverb stealth, I'm very happy with the bike and I really enjoy it in Finale Ligure.
  • + 1
 Seriously fun bike. When you think about it, it really makes sense. The one weakness of downhill-oriented bikes (so both Enduro and DH bikes) is its climbing ability. You can say all you want how your Enduro/Nomad/SB150 climbs just fine, but it is no where near as pleasant as a light XC bike, let alone an e-bike.
  • + 9
 You mean one of the weaknesses of being a lazy ass, is your climbing ability. Enduro bikes climb great and DH bikes go on the chairlift/bike rack.
  • + 2
 My Nomad (V3) Climbs ok, it's not ebike or short travel xc bike on the climbs but it'll get you to the top with the minimum of fuss. I don't even adjust the rear to climb I just leave it open.

But one thing I'll guarantee is that it'll be 100% more fun on the way down than any ebike and i'll do it all XC rides, DH rides sending gaps and drops. In fact it so good that even on DH orientated days I'll often spend time debating with myself which bike to take and as much as I hate to admit it my Nomad steals some of the limelight from my DH bike as the more capable I realized it was I started riding the enduro bike more and more.
  • + 0
 this review lost all credibility when "the frankenbike" was mentioned, swapping components around to see if it will work better defeats the purpose of a review especially when the reviewer likes the bike more with mismatched parts...
  • + 0
 I sat on one in shop last year, was seriously going to buy but at 5'8" short legs/arms the small didn't fit. Seat tube far to long combined with the extra collar height of the command post I wasn't able to raise post to full height with it at lowest point in frame. It about 4" longer than a 15" small with a normal dropper...
  • + 1
 I’m shorter than you and ride medium. Small feels too small for me when descending
  • + 1
 400mm reach 50mm stem and 750 bars. 15"frame with 125 dropper almost full in. Short legs n arms long in body. Medium is touch big as can't sit on back wheel on real steep stuff or get hit on ass by saddle when squashing jumps. That command post adds loads of height over a normal dropper. The tilting head doesn't work for small frames..
  • + 4
 Is this PB showing us how 2019 is going to be???
  • + 4
 "self-shuttling DH" and now everything it ok! f*cking brilliant I must say
  • + 5
 pinkebike.com
  • + 2
 pinkbike.com? - why aint my bikes pink? , i mean we are taking the web site address literal right .. where are my pink bikes!!!!
  • + 2
 @paulaston Will there be a review on its competitors.. e.g. Haibike Nduro & Cube Hybrid 180?
  • + 2
 Attach electric cable to my MTB rig ?? No Thanks. Still have my two legs working properly.
  • - 1
 Why not review all those E and rest mopeds on their dedicated motorbike forums??

Or pink bike nowadays changed name for “pink motorbike”??
Pedal bike equipped with combustion or electro motor is motor pedal assisted bike or shortly moped, and doesn’t belong to bicycle forum

A moped (/ˈmoʊpɛd/ MOH-ped) is a scooter with bicycle pedals, generally having a less stringent licensing requirement than motorcycles or automobiles because mopeds typically travel only a bit faster than bicycles on public roads.
  • + 3
 It quite literally tells you what the review is for on the headline. If you don’t want to read about ebikes don’t read the article.
Just like you don’t have to spout the same tired cliches in the comment section.
If it’s not for you it’s not for you.
  • + 2
 it really is painful to still see people making fools of themselves in not understanding how e-bikes work - you know anyone spouting the moped and motorbike argument are just fools - embarrassing dude, really embarrassing
  • + 0
 When I grow up I want to be an Action Pilot.
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 Make it to the 19kg ,double crown fork and yes it might be the one.
  • + 0
 ...
  • - 2
 For the purists !!!!! No more motors !!!!! Flintstones car for everybody
  • - 1
 Dream BIKE......!!!!
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