Review: Spot's Ryve 115 29 is a Part-Time Racer Doing Trail Bike Duty

May 11, 2020
by Mike Levy  



''A marathon bike made to rip it up,'' is how Spot describes the 115mm-travel Ryve that I've been riding for the past few months. The 29" wheeled and very, very red Ryve can also be had in a 100mm-travel flavor to be used as a pure race rig, but my slacker and more forgiving version is more race-lite; it still only weighs 24.7lb, but gets a 120mm Fox 34 Step-Cast (the race bike has a 100mm 32 Step-Cast) fork that relaxes the head angle a full degree.

My test bike has the appropriately named "6-Star XTR Build Kit" that comes with, well, a bunch of fancy XTR components. Six stars are the most stars, so you'll also find a set of ENVE's lightweight M525 rims with Industry Nine Hydra hubs at the center. The rear one is very buzzy, which I love, and it all adds up to a price tag is $7,599 USD, which not many people are going to love.

Ryve 115 29 Details

• Intended use: Cross-country / trail
• Wheel size: 29"
• Rear-wheel travel: 115mm
• Fork travel: 120mm
• Head angle: 67.4-degrees
• Reach: 470mm (lrg)
• Sizes: Sm, med, lrg (tested), xlrg
• Frame material: Carbon fiber
• Weight: 24.7lb / 11.2 kg
• MSRP: $7,599 USD
• More info: www.spotbrand.com
Complete Ryves start at $4,399, though, which gets you the same frame, Fox's Performance suspension front and back, and a GX drivetrain from SRAM. You can get the 5.5lb frame in the red shown here that Spot calls 'Matte Hot Tomato,' or a more subdued black color, with a Fox Factory Float DPS EVOL shock for $2,999 USD.







Spot Ryve 115 29 review
Carbon fiber is used to manufacture the entire frame, including its swingarm and both suspension links.


The Details

The Ryve frame is carbon fiber from front to back, including the upper trunion-mount suspension link, half of the lower link (more on that later), and the swingarm. The rear brake line is run externally but fits into a channel (Spot calls it 'Groovy Guides') that's molded into the left side of the down tube, while the shift and dropper post lines are hidden inside the front triangle. Spot's done a nice job of this, with the frame looking very clean in person and plenty of room for the largest of water bottles inside the front triangle.

There's a second bottle mount on the underside of the down tube, too, as well as a stick-on pad to ward off any pointy rocks thrown up by the front wheel.


Spot Ryve 115 29 review
The rear brake line sits into a channel molded into the down tube.
Spot Ryve 115 29 review
The dropped top tube provides plenty of clearance, but the 483mm seat tube length on my large is longer than most.


Rather than the usual arrangement, the bottom of the Fox shock sits in a pass-through tunnel (they call it the 'DoppelBox') at the bottom of the down tube that, according to Spot, helps to "boost torsional stiffness between the headtube and bottom bracket, transferring shock forces along the inside walls.''

They mention that it lets dirt and water flow through rather than build-up, while also positioning the shock a bit lower in the frame.


Spot Ryve 115 29 review
The brake bolts onto an aluminum adapter partially held in place by the rear axle.
Spot Ryve 115 29 review
A minimal but effective chainstay guard.


The rear brake caliper attaches to a bolt-on aluminum adapter that's held in alignment via the thru-axle, and the brake line travels under the chainstay rather than inside the swingarm, just like the shift line on the opposite side. Pivots are all dual-row, full-complement sealed bearings, and the main pivot axles use locking conical hardware with O-ring seals for extra protection. One thing that you won't see are ISCG tabs; this is a no-guide bike.

Remember the 100mm-travel Ryve I mentioned earlier? They're both assembled around the exact same frame, with the 115mm-travel bike tested here using a 165mm x 45mm Fox shock and the 100mm bike getting a 165mm x 40mm unit. Claimed frame weight is a believable 5.5lb (with shock), and my test bike came in at a rather sporty 24.7 lb (11.2 kg). No excuses, then.





Living Link Suspension

The Ryve's rear-suspension looks like yet another straightforward and very common dual-link system, except it isn't. See the bike's lower link? It's actually a nearly hidden carbon fiber leaf spring that supplements the Fox shock, and Spot says that it plays an important role in the Ryve's performance.

Just like many other dual-link bikes out there, when the Ryve’s rear suspension compresses both links rotate clockwise; the top link compresses the shock while the bottom link rotates upwards. The carbon leaf spring (AKA the bottom link) is completely flat and unloaded at top-out and bottom-out, Spot's Andrew Lumpkin explained to me, meaning that it isn't putting any force into the suspension at those times, and the Fox shock is doing all of the work. But the leaf spring is flexed, or loaded, when the bike is sitting between 25-percent of its travel, otherwise known as the approximate sag point, and 75-percent of full travel. In other words, Spot is using the carbon leaf spring to alter the spring rate in the middle portion of the travel.


Spot Ryve 115 29 review
The Ryve's 115mm of rear-wheel-travel is controlled by a dual-link layout with a twist: The bottom link employs a flat carbon fiber leaf spring.


According to Lumpkin, this approach lets them create the spring curve they wanted by figuring out their ideal leverage ratios for the beginning and ending parts of the travel. Then they used the carbon leaf spring to help tune how the suspension performs in the middle part of its travel where it's loaded and where you spend most of your time.

It's claimed to make the bike very efficient but, more interestingly, they’re also saying that the flexing leaf spring is storing energy that’s returned when the suspension extends. So much so that Spot claims that it can even supply extra “pop” to help you leave the ground.


Spot Ryve 115 29 review
The leaf spring is almost entirely hidden from view.
Spot Ryve 115 29 review


But wouldn't the damper just absorb it anyway? Now let's picture the Ryve's rear-suspension bottomed-out after an impact and starting to rebound.

Because the leaf spring's forces aren't being applied to the suspension from bottom-out to 25-percent extension, the rebound speed will be relatively slow until the leaf spring begins to enter the equation. From that point to 75-percent extension, the leaf spring is flexing and working in conjunction with the shock's air spring. Then, when the suspension extends past that point, the leaf spring goes straight and no longer applies any force, which means a slower relative rebound speed near top-out than if the carbon was replaced with a normal, non-flexy link.


The front of the link houses bearings, just like a normal suspension link, and it pivots off the front triangle.
The rear section of the link is a flat piece of carbon that's clamped in place at the swingarm's chainstay bridge.


What all that means is slower, presumably more controlled rebound after big impacts that use most of the bike's travel, faster rebound after small and medium impacts in the middle portion of the bike's travel, and then slower rebound (relative to if the link didn't flex) at the top of the travel.

The benefits to all that, Lumpkin told me, is that they can ''preserve the big hit recovery near bottom out, but also preserve the traction benefits of slower rebound near top out.''





Geometry

My large-sized Ryve gets a 470mm reach that feels bang-on to me, while the extra-large stretches out to 495mm. Shorter folks can look at the medium (445mm) and the small (420mm), and all four sizes get the same 435mm chainstay length. Steering isn't full-on cross-country race, but it's also not designed to be a lazy-handling trail bike, either, hence the 67.4-degree head angle with a 120mm-travel fork. Adding another 10mm of travel would bring it closer to 67-degrees, which I suspect some Ryve owners have done, but I kept the stock Fox Float 34 Step-Cast on the front of the bike.

Spot lists the effective seat angle as 75-degrees, and it's worth noting that the extra-large size does get a seat angle that's 1-degree steeper in order to compensate for the additional height without putting you beanstalks too far behind the bottom bracket. I should also mention the 483mm seat tube length of my large, which isn't exactly short by today's standards. Those with stubby inseams should take note - that length could limit the amount of possible dropper post travel.








Climbing

I have a triathlete friend who, despite many years of training, eating like a small bird who counts calories, and sporting a single-digit body fat percentage that makes Eliud Kipchoge look a bit chonky, hasn't had success to equal his effort. Why you'd want to both swim and run (and on the same day?!) are a mystery to me, but I do have a theory about his results: Trying to be good at more than one thing is, in my experience, pretty damn difficult, and usually results in being a bit so-so at most things. Especially when they're as opposed as climbing and descending are.

It was quickly obvious that the red rocket isn't trying to be the kind of trail bike that's a blast when you're hanging with your enduro bros between weekend epics. Actually, it might not be trying to be a trail bike at all: ''It’s a precision rocket made for conquering Leadville and the epic race dates that crowd your calendar," Spot says, emphasizing that it's more of a race bike modified for ''everyday shredding'' than anything else. And it feels every bit the race bike on the climbs, too, with it ready to jump forward at the mere thought of a KOM attempt or the chance to gap your riding buddies.

n a
Mike Levy
Location: Squamish, BC, Canada
Age: 39
Height: 5'10
Inseam: 33.5"
Weight: 156 lb
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @killed_by_death
While many modern short-travel trail bikes can climb well enough to meet most people's needs and then some, there's a big difference between something like the Santa Cruz Tallboy or Norco Optic and the race-bred Ryve. On the Spot, it's as if the bike transfers even the slightest quiver of a quad muscle into forward movement, all while pulling away from those other bikes as their riders consider reaching for the pedal-assist switch.

It's not that the Santa Cruz or Norco are inefficient, it's just that they sacrifice a bit of speed on the ups for more speed on the downs. A bit of an unfair comparison then, but good for some perspective as to where these things sit against each other.


Spot Ryve 115 29 review photo by Max Barron
The Ryve is an absolute rocketship up the climbs, feeling every bit the sporty race bike that's hidden under the dropper post and 120mm-travel fork.


Kona's new Hei Hei is probably a better competitor given that it's said to be a race bike, but it can't match the Ryve's efficiency, either. Spot will sell you a bike with a lockout if you're (presumably) European and really, really want one, but it's not a standard option and about as useful as having one on your downhill bike.

Its low weight certainly helps the bike's cause as well, especially its tires and wheels, and I ended up putting down some of my quickest climbing times while out on heaters aboard the Ryve. That said, it isn't quite the same hero when you are getting into more technical, tricky uphills that depend more on skill than how many intervals and squats you've been doing during self-isolation.

The bike's rear suspension is as forgiving as you'd think 115mm of race-bred travel would be - meaning that it's not at all - and the 2.25" wide Schwalbe Racing Ralph rear tire rolls fast but might as well be completely slick if it's even the slightest bit damp or dusty. Neither helps in the traction department, so I'd put something grabbier on the back of the bike if damp or dusty was the norm in my 'hood. The steering is quick, though, which helps the Ryve wiggle through things with much less effort than would be required on other short-travel, burlier bikes. Yes, I know you can probably clean all the techy ups on your burly trail bike @mikekazimer, and that's super-duper, but I'll be too far ahead on the Ryve to see you dabbing anyway.


Spot Ryve 115 29 review photo by Max Barron
Do you have an unhealthy KOM hunting habit? So does the Ryve.


On a typical trail ride most of us just want to get to the top, feel okay doing it, and maybe think about some fitness if we lean that way. And most of us are happy to sacrifice something on the ups for something extra on the downs. I mean, we all know which of those two directions offers the most smiles, so it's not exactly a stupid way to do it. But Spot's Ryve 115 is what happens when you approach climbing from the opposite angle, focusing on speed and efficiency before descending prowess.

Kipchoge isn't trying to be good at parkour, and the Ryve isn't trying to be a relaxed, deep-feeling trail bike. Both of them are mind-blowingly fast, so I guess it works.


Spot Ryve 115 29 review photo by Max Barron
The Ryve best suits flowy, fun descents that don't put your life on the line, and it loves to pump rolling terrain for extra speed.


Descending

Squamish, BC, is where I call home, with Whistler only 30-minutes up the road and North Vancouver's rooty, twisty trails 30-minutes in the opposite direction. As you can imagine, short-travel bikes with race-y intentions are outnumbered a-thousand-to-one in these parts by well-used enduro rigs closer to 40 than 20 pounds. And for good reason; much of the local terrain aims straight down, is full of pointy rocks waiting to punch holes in your ultra-light wheels, toilet paper-sidewall tires, and Lycra-covered skin, and it's often covered with anaconda-like roots. It's definitely wet, too.

The Spot wasn't made for those try-and-maybe-die chutes and slabs, but a skilled pair of hands and good line choices will see the red bike through most of it without issue. Remember, the Ryve is about as cross-country as a trail bike can be without you needing to wear bib shorts and a visor-less helmet to ride it. In other words, me telling you that things get a bit wild on the scary stuff is about the same as a breaking story on the homepage about how an enduro bike is a real pig at cross-country races. Don't put it past us.

Sure, bigger rubber, a 130mm fork, and some other changes could help the Ryve on the scary stuff, but I'd argue that you'd be better off on a different, burlier machine than diluting the Spot's sportiness in search of confidence. There are all sorts of bikes to pick from if that's your jam, but the Ryve isn't one of them.

Spot Ryve 115 29 review photo by Max Barron
The Ryve never feels like it has more than 115mm of rear-wheel-travel, which is exactly what some riders are looking for.


Dialing back the terrain from f*ck-no to more-flow allows the 115mm-travel Ryve to come into its own, with the peppiness that makes it such a great climber also making it a blast on the descents. My closest riding area is a local hill known as Valleycliffe, a small mountain crisscrossed by a confusing maze of endless rolling trails, many of which require work to get the most out of. It's here where the Ryve makes brawnier trail bikes like the Tallboy and Optic feel slow and muted in their responses.

One of my favorite bits sees a long section of singletrack angled downward slightly, but not nearly enough to be called fast, and I'm usually taking careful stabs at the pedals for more speed while hoping I don't catch a rock or root and get scorpioned so hard that my shoes come off. Again. I've ridden this trail on pretty much every long-term test bike I've had over the last couple of years, but it was an entirely different experience on the Spot - it was way faster. The Ryve responds to pumping the terrain and using backsides in a way that softer, slacker, more forgiving bikes can only dream of, and the effect is a lot of speed. The Tallboy, Optic, and Hei Hei all require less effort in those settings than longer-travel rigs, but on the Ryve, it's as if the trail is covered in speed-boosting arrows from Mario Kart and those other three are stuck in axle-deep mud.


Spot Ryve 115 29 review photo by Max Barron
The bike's Racing Ralph rear tire means that it rolls quite fast, but it also made for some fun, drifty corners.


The faster you're going, the faster you need to think, and that's especially true on the Ryve. The steering is more cross-country than trail bike, but it's far from being nervous. While some quick-handling machines can feel as if they're just waiting to toss you out the front door, the Spot manages to offer a needle-precise front-end without you constantly being in fear of it knifing to one side unexpectedly. It also gives it the maneuverability that other trail bikes can only dream of. If you love nothing more than a well-timed manual, nose bonk here or there, or silly-but-fun line, you'll get more than your fair share of laughs from the Ryve.

The bike's rear-suspension isn't nearly as active and forgiving as the back of the Hei Hei, and rocky ground will knock the Spot around a bit. Tire choice can make a big difference here, though, and the stock, low-volume Schwalbe rubber leans more towards less rolling speed than more traction. Because of this, a light touch on the brake levers is needed when it's wet or dusty to keep the bike from sliding too much. Or maybe sliding just the right amount, amirite?

I settled on a standard 25-percent sag number and never once felt a clang at bottom-out, despite some questionable line choices, so there's certainly no need to run it any firmer. And what about Spot's claims that the carbon fiber Living Link suspension can supply additional pop to help get off the ground? I'm not so sure, but I can't argue that the Ryve does have that energetic personality that can make a short-travel bike so much fun.

So, what does all that mean, and where does the Ryve sit in the world of short-travel bikes? If you're looking for a new-school ripper to send off the jumps while keeping up with your buddies on longer-travel bikes, the Spot isn't for you. This is a bike made to cover ground quickly and efficiently, and it's far more interested in snagging those uphill KOMs than going fast down rowdy descents. But that also means that it's a demon of a bike on rolling terrain and downhills that don't look like EWS stages, which is a hell of a lot of the world.


Spot Ryve 115 29 review
The 160mm-travel BikeYoke Revive dropper was flawless, but I wish it made a louder top-out noise so I knew it was at full extension.
Spot Ryve 115 29 review
The non-Servo Wave XTR levers offer a much more intuitive feel, but it's a shame there's no easy way to get the bite point the same front and back.


Technical Report

Shimano M9100 XTR Brakes: The two-piston calipers and non-Servo Wave levers say cross-country AF, but Spot did spec a 180mm rotor up front to help slow you down. While they're not as powerful feeling as the Servo Wave-equipped version, they're far less grabby and easier to modulate, especially when traction isn't ideal. Sure, heavier riders might want to see four-piston brakes, but given that the Ryve is a short-travel trail bike with race-y intentions, they aren't out of line and worked well for me.

ENVE M525 rims and Industry Nine's Hydra Rear Hub: This crazy hub offers just 0.52-degrees between engagement points thanks to a drive ring with 115-teeth and six pawls that each engage that drive ring individually. It's an intricate-looking thing, but it sounds like there are a few hundred giant robot hornets following you when you coast. I love it, but other riders did comment that I seemed even more annoying than usual.

As for the Gucci ENVE M25 rims, I would have called them 'M341' because they weigh a hardly believable 341-grams each. They're also still perfectly true, despite me definitely riding them beyond their cross-country intentions.

Schwalbe Tires: The Ryve 115 really is a slightly longer-travel cross-country bike, so it's light and speedy Schwalbe rubber are fit for purpose. That said, you'll probably end up considering something a bit more substantial than the 2.25" Racing Ralph that comes stock on the back of the bike. There's a 2.35" Nobby Nic that comes on the front, though, so a matching Nic on the back would make sense if your trails are steeper and wetter.



Kona Hei Hei
Santa Cruz Tallboy review Photo by Dane Perras
The 120mm travel Kona Hei Hei (left) and 120mm Santa Cruz Tallboy (right) are very different from the Ryve, despite there being just 5mm difference in rear-wheel-travel.

How does it compare?

Speaking of sporty bikes, remember the Hei Hei that Kona just released in April? I spent a ton of time on that 120mm-travel 29er in the middle of testing the Ryve, and the two make an ideal comparison. However, for both using 120mm forks and having within 5mm of the same amount of rear travel, they couldn't be more different. Relatively speaking, the green Kona feels much more forgiving, and I found myself seated more often when riding it than on the Ryve for that reason. The Kona is far from being slow, but it comes across as being a nip closer to a trail bike compared to the speedy Spot that transmits more up to the rider. The best way to put it: While the Hei Hei can sometimes feel like it has an extra 20mm of squish, the Ryve always feels like it has 115mm. Depending on what you're looking for, that might be good or bad.

Speaking of trail bikes, I'm gonna bring up the Tallboy yet again. It has 120mm of travel, just 5mm more than the Ryve, but it's a very different bike made for a very different rider. While the Spot is light and fast, the Santa Cruz is a burly rig in comparison. You could do a cross-country race on either, sure, but I know which one I'd rather be on.



Pros

+ Efficient and fast, especially up the climbs
+ Great part-time race bike, part-time light-duty trail bike
+ Loves flowy, rolling terrain

Cons

- There are more forgiving bikes w/ similar travel
- More cross-country than burly trail
- Doesn't like rough, steep terrain



Pinkbike's Take


bigquotesThe Ryve 115 29 is what happens when you take a bike designed for racing and soften its edges just a bit. We've seen plenty of burly trail bikes lately that seem to be born from an enduro rider's perspective; less travel, but relatively relaxed steering and a selection of beefy components, especially wheels and tires. That approach has created some impressive machines, but not everyone sees mountain biking that way. If your local loops aren't littered with rough and steep singletrack, or you're more fussed about surviving that 6-hour epic you have planned next weekend than cleaning the local 6-pack jump line, or maybe tearing your friends' legs off because every ride can be a race, then the sporty Spot will make sense to you. 
Mike Levy








199 Comments

  • 121 6
 How can 'more cross country than burly trail' be a con when this is clearly a cross-country orientated bike?
  • 28 3
 The 115 is being marketed as a bike "made to rip it up". I'm pretty sure the con is in reference to that claim.
  • 38 5
 This is the usual pinkbike xc bike review - put a non xc guy on an xc bike in non xc terrain and try to make it a downhill bike (check out the Edge 22 tire).
  • 9 5
 I think that this is the future of XC race bikes. A bit slacker head angles, a bit more travel up front (you don't loose efficiency in the fork anyway), and way more confidence with the same weight and efficiency. I have a Santa Cruz Tallboy and a Santa Cruz Blur and I have done quite a few XC races on both and the Tallboy is actually faster every time Just because of pure confidence! I guess a lot of it depends on how big of a rider you are and your ride style though. I am 6'3" so I have a lot of power but loose time on the descents and tight stuff.
  • 9 2
 @willdavidson9595: you are comparing an XC bike that's heavy and not the best climber to a short travel bike that's very similar. If you tried something like an Oiz or Spark I think you'd understand why trail bikes aren't the future of XC.
  • 3 1
 I mean PB also knocks heavier-hitting trail bikes with no XC intentions for sucking at climbing, so I’d say that criticism is fair game.
  • 8 0
 @mi-bike: It is an Up-Country bike.
  • 1 0
 @mi-bike: is that the same a down country or is that a new category?
  • 4 4
 @clink83: The Blur is lighter than the Spark and more efficient than the Oiz and more capable than both. And I've also ridden both bikes. I don't think trail bikes are the future of XC, but XC bikes with trail geometry or Trail bikes with an XC suspension platform.
  • 6 1
 @willdavidson9595: lol both the oiz and spark are 1600 for a medium sized frame with the blur coming in at 2000. No-one is riding the blur at the world cup level, where both the oiz and spark have won world championships. You got your bikes mixed up. The blur might do better on descents, but that doesn't win you XC races.
  • 1 0
 I don't they're saying that it is con necessarily, but it can be one if your expectations are for more of a trail-bike.
  • 1 0
 @clink83: Actually there are two guys who are racing the Blur at the World Cup level. Gioele Bertolini and Andrea Tiberi. They are top 30-40 guys, finishing on the lead lap. That's pretty damn good.
  • 1 0
 @willdavidson9595: The Blur has significantly lower (worse?) anti-squat numbers than the Oiz, so I'm not sure how you could say it's more efficient than it.
  • 1 0
 @LeDuke: Ah. I was unaware of that. Still, AFAIK the only US company making a dual link suspension that is really competitive is Pivot. I sold my Oiz to get one due to my Oiz being way too stiff for me to ride with hand issues, as fast as it is.
  • 5 0
 @willdavidson9595: I mean, the future of XC race bikes is whatever is fastest on XC race courses...
  • 1 1
 @skelldify: I will say that to be a fair a 120mm bike can be made as light as a 100mm bike from 5 years ago, so from a sheer weight perspective there isnt as big of barrier in the weight department. I'm pretty shocked that the new 2020 35mm SID weights as much as my 2017 SID WC.
  • 1 0
 Why didn’t you get it I wonder
  • 2 0
 @clink83: Fox's release of the 32sc improved crown showed that we've been riding under-engineered parts. If rockshox finally threw down for some quality FEA software, maybe their engineers were able to do some structural engineering. Plus the damper mods, of course. Also, we haven't heard how this new superlight damper even works. I'm looking forward to the amateur suspension nerds putting this thing and it's 1.4cc of oil through their torture testing.
  • 2 0
 All I read was party time
  • 2 0
 @JohanG: I'm pretty sure the SID is significantly stiffer than the SC, even after the redesign. The torque cap interface makes a huge difference.
  • 2 0
 Interesting how bike was only tested at 25% sag which never gave "a clang at bottom-out, despite some questionable line choices". Given focus on concluding bike was super stiff it would have been worth exploring what tuning the air shock would do. Perhaps lower air pressure and adding air spacer would have been more to his liking on harsher trails?
  • 1 0
 @gliderboy: Great points. I often wonder how much effort they put into tuning the bikes when they write these reviews; or, dare I say, how competent they are at suspension tuning.
  • 1 0
 @gliderboy @skelldify : It is more about testing the bike how it rolled off the showroom floor. They just don't have enough time to test all the suspension tweaks available. However, I have read quite a few reviews of the Spot suspension platforms and they all said they were on the firmer side.
  • 1 0
 @tacklingdummy: if that’s the case, then the tests are useless
  • 1 0
 @skelldify: Bike reviews have great value, but should be taken with a grain of salt. All the bikes I have bought, needed to be tweaked in some shape or form to get it right for my riding and fit.
  • 46 5
 So for an xc bike, it hits the Spot!
  • 6 10
flag SHLee28 (May 11, 2020 at 0:53) (Below Threshold)
 Looks like you could really ryve this thing up the climbs
  • 2 6
flag mi-bike (May 11, 2020 at 1:16) (Below Threshold)
 Tops
  • 20 2
 If I have this right, a "marathon bike" has slightly more travel and relaxed geo than a xc bike, but is more racey than a downcountry bike??
  • 19 0
 So:
Freeride
Downhill
Downduro
Enduro
Trail
Downcountry
Marathon
XC
Gravel

Did I miss anything?

Dirt jumping and trials are off on their own somewhere.
  • 17 0
 @SJP: All mountain
  • 66 0
 @SJP: u forgot downtownie. Invented yesterday
  • 8 0
 @Davec85: Sh*t!
  • 6 0
 @SJP: CX
  • 1 5
flag jorgeposada (May 11, 2020 at 5:59) (Below Threshold)
 Nice looking Maestro, Pivot etc.
  • 5 0
 Fair enough the marathon name has been around for a while, possibly even longer than "all mountain" etc. It was the zone for lightweight 5" travel stuff. Marzocchi used to have a couple of Marathon forks with 5" travel.
  • 4 1
 @SJP: ...Grountain... as coined by @mikelevy in the Specialized Diverge EVO article. THANKS MIKE. /sarcasm
  • 1 0
 Aerogravel (see 3T Exploro)
Downroad
Commuduro (I swear, there's a bloke over here doing that, middle age women driving Lancias don't appreciate it)
Twwed Rides

I guess the lateer can get the down-treatment at some point.
  • 2 0
 @SJP: Downduro was "Super Enduro" in the 2019 field test...
  • 1 0
 @mi-bike: Then I'd have to add road. We have to draw the line somewhere.
  • 1 0
 @SJP: you forgot down townie
  • 3 0
 I'm calling an "upcountry" bike. Which fits in the micro-niche between downcountry and XC. However, if you put a 120mm fork on it, I would consider it a downXC bike which is above XC and below upcountry bike. Lol.

Downcountry-Upcountry-DownXC-XC-HardtailXC
  • 4 0
 @SJP: unicycling. There's also Upduro, Downtrail, Muddauber, Tricountry, and Runwhatchabrung.
  • 1 0
 What about a DH bike with an 11 speed drivetrain, dropper post, and possibly enduro spec rather than DH spec wheels ?

UPDH ?

Or an Enduro ready frame/fork with good climbing geo and a slightly lighter wheel/tire set than usual ?

Upduro
  • 1 0
 @preston67: No, that would be Down DH
  • 2 0
 @SJP: any bike is a gravel bike if you just believe.
  • 2 0
 @SJP: acoustic
  • 1 0
 @Isey: I ride a downtownie! I thought it was just a commuter bike. Living in a city with many elevation changes makes it a necessity. I can never call it anything else now.
  • 1 0
 @SJP: drop-bar mtb. between gravel and XC
  • 1 0
 @bobthestapler: Or "townhill" as it was called in Guerrilla Gravity's April Fools press release.
  • 1 0
 @SJP: Street
  • 1 0
 @bobthestapler: That would be a Johnny Tnie... I believe
  • 19 0
 How’s the Spot compare to the new Top Fuel...? Seems like a similar ethos in the builds
  • 7 0
 That's exactly what I was thinking...
  • 1 2
 Well it doesn't look like it's making love to itself, so that's a good thing. I bet you it is way snappier and less forgiving than the top fuel. Top fuels are pretty dang flexy laterally in back. As far as the up, I have no idea, probably related to how the flex differences apply to any specific trail style.
  • 1 0
 I would also like to know that. I have pedaled my dads around a little, but would still like to know how the two compare on a trail/
  • 2 0
 @takeiteasyridehard: are u referring to the supercaliber?
  • 1 0
 @takeiteasyridehard: You must be thinking of the previous model Top Fuel. The new one is very stiff compared to bikes in its category. The downtube and BB on the new model is very stout. I've tested out many light trail and XC bikes and the 2020 TF is pretty burly and stiff compared to many similar travel bikes I've ridden (Blur, Oiz, Giant, Intense, Norco). This bike frame is about the same weight as this Ryve and I would imagine they have a very similar feel. Would love to test ride this bike as well.
  • 1 0
 @ladium73: ah yes, I was confused. My bad.
  • 15 1
 vs. the Ripley? Tallboy too burly, Kona too planted, Ryve too stiff. Ripley review keeps standing out too me as the actual all-rounder/XC compliment to an enduro rig.
  • 9 6
 But its sooo ugggly. Grrr. Was so excited for the new Ripley last year, but the frame shape, the color... *puke*
  • 3 2
 I haven't round the ryve to be too stiff, just not so squishy it'll erase the trail. The Ripley is noticeably heavier as well. We just rented an xt Ripley and it was over 30lbs.
  • 3 4
 @hardtailparty: Over 30 lbs for an XT Ripley? Unless you had pedals that weighed 2 lbs each and were running DH tires, there's no way.
  • 1 0
 @stevemokan: What's Ripley vs. Ryve frame weight?
  • 1 0
 The Ripley just made my short list as well, but I agree that its frame has looks that only a mother could love....
That being said, my list of XCM, DXC, or whatever the heck we are calling them is: Ripley, Spesh EVO Epic, Trek Top Fuel, and now this Spot. Never been a Kona fan, but have to admit that I wouldn't pass up a smokin deal on a new Hei Hei. One of these bikes will eventually take the place of my HT Epic on days when my lower back just says "oh hell no, no riding today for you"..
  • 4 0
 @liv2mountainbike2: Honestly the Intense sniper seems pretty legit to me too, despite the horrendous paint jobs
  • 2 1
 @bigwheels87: less than half a pound more. The Ripley is 5.9 lbs.
  • 3 1
 I have been super happy with my Giant Trance 29er. With an XC ish build it is 24 lbs. Or with a trail/light enduro build it is 26 lbs.
  • 1 0
 @hardtailparty: yeah it probably has a layup that’s designed not to crack
  • 9 0
 How hard would it be to just have a chart that shows climbing and descending on different axis and plot every bike tested so we can see when they all live?
  • 2 0
 That sounds very logical. It's could be an ongoing thing as bikes are reviewed their place on the chart is revealed. I'd vote for you for president. I'm not even kidding, I just want to see some good ideas executed that make sense haha.
  • 1 0
 @McMurray: I am into motorcycles and there was a neat little website a few year's back that had this kind of chart for riding locations, where the bikes felt sketchy, where they felt awesome, etc.... I think it's gone to internet atrophy, but the design visualization was pretty rad for circa 2010.
  • 1 0
 Wow, that would be pretty difficult to quantify with all the great geometry improvements, but would be great to see. I recently rode my son's new Devinci Troy (I still consider this a smaller enduro, or possibly a super burly trail) and man did that thing climb amazing! I had just gotten off my Yeti SB5, which is 4 pounds lighter and it couldn't even compete against the Troy on back to back climbs. It's not just about light weight anymore..
  • 6 0
 Bikes like this are starting to appeal to me more and more but my one bike to rule them all will never be a whippet, well not by the time I get tough rolling stock fitted but I definately would love to have one for a few months.
  • 8 0
 "from f*ck-no to more-flow" Loved that, sounds like a perfect description of how my riding has evolved as I get older!
  • 2 0
 Should have been "mo" flow
  • 5 0
 I've spent a few months on this bike and absolutely loved it. This is the first xc bike I've enjoyed riding. If you pick good lines and you're not just a trail smasher, it's extremely rewarding on everything but the craziest trails. I had a blast on this thing.
  • 1 0
 Did you ride the 115 or the 100?
  • 6 0
 There's also the Mayhem and Rollik for those looking for more descending ability.
  • 3 0
 I am glad to see this class of bikes emerging, something that works and caters to the type of rolling terrain most of us have access too. Something like Trek Top Fuel, Kona Hei Hei, Giant Anthem (do they still make those?) My ideal two bike setup would be a bike in this class and an enduro sled that can still pedal a bit (Revel Rail?)
  • 3 1
 I am a bit confused about the living link explanation. It seems that there is some inconsistency in the explanation. First it's slower rebound at deep compressions and faster near sag. Then it says 'faster recovery for big hits' and 'slower rebound near top out'. Isn't that the opposite? Could it be there is some confusion about what percentages are used? 75% compression or 75% shock length? And isn't it faster rebound that has traction advantages?
Also, I miss any references to ride impressions directly related to this novel suspension system. The overall impression seems in line with the claim of increased responsiveness though.
The idea makes sense to me. A leaf spring is a linear spring, like a coil. And you can use kinematics to make it act less in certain parts of the stroke. So it's like adding a coil on top of an air spring to increase mid-stroke support without affecting progressiveness too much. The whole thing would be more clear to me if I saw a graph of force vs compression measured at the axle with a line for force caused by the shock and a line for force caused by the leaf spring.
The idea that the leaf spring 'stores energy that is returned when the suspension extends' isn't very surprising btw. It is the definition of a spring.
  • 6 1
 OK, I found that graph on the Spot website. I got it now. Based on that graph, I would say a much simpler, and more correct explanation would be 'stiffer near both ends, softer in the middle'
  • 1 0
 I think Mike mischaracterized the effect of the leaf spring during rebound. 25% of rebound is close to bottom out not top out. Rebound is slower from 25% to 50% of rebound because part of the energy of the rebound is being stored in the leaf spring link (which bends during that phase).Thereafter, the rebound force rises (stored energy in the shock and leaf spring become additive) until the suspension reaches sag (75% rebound) at which point round force is 'normal' (the combined effect of the spring rate and the leverage rate/motion ratio without energy of the leaf spring entering into the picture.

The management of forces during compression, I imagine, would represent a rather different picture. Firstly, suspension response would necessarily be tuned otherwise things could get out of hand. From 25% compression, i.e. Sag, to 50% compression/mid-travel deflection force of the rear wheel would be stored in both the shock spring and the leaf spring. That implies that either or both the shock sping and damping could have a lighter spec than would be common on a similar dual link bike because the leaf stiffens things up marginally. That does not imply that the suspension is less compliant than for other bikes, only that the leaf spring figures in the picture of suspension response. At mid-travel the leaf spring will offer the greatest resistance to compression that it is going to offer. After mid-travel as wheel deflection continues towards bottom out on a big hit the energy stored in the leaf spring link starts to be dissipated (and is wholly dissipated by 75% of compression). Whether the suspension offers less compliance or relatively normal suspension response during 50% to 75% of compression will be a matter of shock and leaf spring tuning. The last quarter of the compression cycle ending in bottom out is presumably relatively normal, although, again, specific shock tune determines how things work in practice.
  • 1 0
 Well "round force" isn't a thing so please read those words in my comment as "rebound force"
  • 1 0
 No, wait a minute. The problem isn't with Mike Levy's characterisation of things but rather with some vagueness in one or two sentences of Spot's 'clarification'. At the end of the day energy is being stored in two springs (from roughly 25% of stroke to 75% of stroke) during compression and dissipated from two springs (from 75% to 25% of stroke) during rebound. The leaf spring probably can't change the overall picture of suspension response but it might either increase the effective spring rate (in the 25% to 75% of stroke range with its effect being at a maximum around mid-travel) for a normally sprung bike or, alternatively, for a bike specced with a light spring (and, perhaps, damping tune) it should be possible to implement a fairly normal suspension response around mid-travel (because of resistance from the leaf spring link) with escalation much more subdued (due to the lighter shock spring) above 75% of stroke.

I suspect that Spot follows the first of these two approaches. That's a guess only. It would probably make sense, though, because Spot doesn't rely on especially progressive LR curves in its suspension designs as a rule so the suspension of the Ryve, if it follows the pattern of other Spot bikes, will probably be pretty lively to begin with. Some extra escalation from the leaf spring (especially in the 25% to 50% of stroke range) will somewhat tame the generally sensitive suspension setup. (Note: Like other suspension bike designers Spot is edging towards lower leverage ratios and longer stroke shocks. I'm not sure that this bike has been designed in that way but the leaf spring would seem to fit quite well into that picture. The leaf spring seems to offer some escalation in the mid-travel range where it probably will do some good but above 75% of stroke, where the leaf spring has no effect, the low leverage ratios should offer good resistance to big hits.)
  • 5 0
 Great review, really appreciated the details and the comparisons. Thank you.
  • 5 0
 Where does the Ripley fit in the ryve to TB4 spectrum, to the left or right of the Hei Hei?
Great review, thank you
  • 4 0
 A bike like this allows you to go so fast on easier pedally trails that it makes them a lot more fun. Definitely the right fit for some locales.
  • 3 0
 Hey Levy, you should try to get on the Pyga Stage Max. They’re going after the same market but the Stage Max has a little more party in the suspension but similar geo. Been a super fun ride so far.
  • 2 0
 Something isn’t adding up with the “leaf spring.” It only affect the middle 50% of travel? Where does the stored energy go during that last 25% of travel? Does that mean that the bike has a digressive spring curve with the leaf spring increasing spring force until the final portion of travel when it isn’t loaded? Also it’s effectively doing what the shock already does. It won’t add more “pop” than just reducing damping in the shock.... smells like marketing bullshit.
  • 5 0
 @mikelevy Is that Tioga Edge 22 a pre-production? Looks like they are still not released for the 29er version?
  • 2 0
 Strange indeed, as the article mentions a 2.35 Nobby Nic on front....
  • 2 2
 Word on the street is that the china virus has interfered with availability.
  • 1 0
 Tioga announced they'd release it over a year ago
  • 3 0
 When I read this review, I thought to myself, "Oh someone built a quiver killer for the Eastern half of the United States."

As the article is clear about, for a lot riders this setup would as burly as they need.
  • 1 0
 I have the same bike reviewed (6 Star XTR build in a Large) and after a few months of riding on my regular trails, I would tend to agree. At least for the Mid-Atlantic/Philly area trails I've ridden so far: Pennypack, French Creek, Belmont, Neshaminy. Even with the OE speed-oriented tires, it's handled everything I've thrown it. I can't imagine needing anything else for IMBA-style trail systems like Raystown Lake and Kingdom Trails.

No, it's not an enduro or park bike, but I have a Megatower for that stuff. Combined with a fun hardtail for variety and winter riding and I think my quiver of bikes is starting to feel complete.
  • 4 0
 Or, to shorten the review up just a bit... "The Spot's Ryve, performs like the XC bike it is."
  • 8 7
 115 mm of travel with the intended use of Cross country/ Trail... Lol f*ck I remember when I picked up my Kona process 111 when they first came out, I don't believe I ever thought welp better stick to cross country/ trail... Lol

Can we just go ahead and scrap all designations and just start calling everything a f*cking mountain bike.
  • 2 1
 Yes. It's more about what bike fits your riding style and the category designations confuse things. I don't have the time or money to compartmentalize bikes and trails nor am I going to limit where I ride based on the bike I have. Some bikes just fit your style and trails and you get to maximize your enjoyment more often. You feel it in your shorts Wink .
  • 5 0
 Any chance at a Banshee Phantom V3 review in the future?
  • 1 0
 I am all about this type of bike right now. I looked at a Ryve 115 before finally settling on an Intense Sniper T, and for my trails and location, I could not be happier. Geo and travel were similar to my previous bike, but the Sniper is lighter and has a get-up and go that my previous bike didn't have. So spoiled for options right now. Good time to be a biker.
  • 1 0
 but, will it be a good time to be a Padre fan? /offtopic
  • 1 0
 @muumuu: Many painful seasons have proven to me its never a good time to be a Padre fan. I had high hopes for this year too... so of course, COVID had to happen.
  • 1 0
 @muumuu: As of right now, they are in first place!
  • 3 1
 imagine having time to review bikes but not to make a 1 min video riding the grim donut,but i guess nobody cares about it anymore since it's been so long since the first video
  • 4 0
 Gotta say, people I know that have a SPOT, love em! never heard of them myself, but they look fun!
  • 1 0
 Anybody ride the 100 in size XL?

I'm looking at an XL and I see a eff STA of 76.7 - which seems steep for trail bike, let alone a XC bike. I understand the idea behind steeper STA on larger frames, but I'm pretty sure that is the only XC bike with a near 77 degree STA.

I may just go with the 115 (which comes with a slacker STA of 76 in size XL), especially since consensus seems to be that it's plenty quick enough. Anyone have thoughts?
  • 10 6
 i’d take it over a yeti
  • 2 0
 Looks like a beast. Would love to compete on that bike. It probably handle the descends bet ter than your normal xc bike and geo is more relaxed.
  • 2 2
 Main pivot seems super high, and with a really high engagement hub. I wonder if half the reason it feels like you're getting knocked around on rocky trails is pedal kickback?

It sounds like an absolute blast, I'm in the market for something like this but planning on waiting for the end of the year before I make a choice. Cool that there are so many rad options out!
  • 1 0
 Unlike all the other contenders I've been looking at (for the past 4 months mind you), Spot bikes continue to seem like a better bang for your buck. My budget usually tops out at the $4k mark, which is absurd to me for a bicycle, but you get what you pay for. I could easily see getting the base build on this right away and not having to wait until the end of year. By then, you could have this slowly upgraded to the exact build you want. My trigger finger is itching to pull on this one...
  • 2 0
 "The rebound speed is faster at 25% stroke then if the leaf spring were just a simple pivot."
-Spot Cycles

than

Oh well, the review itself is Spot on (I had to).
  • 1 0
 Great review. Sounds like a fun bike, sitting just a bit on the racier side than my Top Fuel, although the Top Fuel's rear sus can be easily tuned from "almost-trail" with no VRs to FAF with an 0.4 or 0.6 VR.
  • 1 1
 Can’t this design be expanded to more travel? It looks like the perfect bike to me, the basic frame design that is. Nice, clean, stiff, low center of gravity, space for water bottle. It could be the universal bike design for all applications because there would be no reason to do anything else. Provided that it really can be adapted to longer travel. Does anyone know of a bike with a similar VPP implementation and more travel, besides the Giant Reign?
  • 3 0
 Spot makes the mayhem (130mm) and the rollik (150mm 27.5). Both are fantastic bikes as well, but have a different feel than the ryve. That living link suspension is extremely unkwue. Nothing feels like it.

Of all the bikes ice ridden, the two most unique bikes that feel like nothing else are the spots and the revels. They feel noticeably different from anything else. The spots feel zippy and accelerated like they have an extra spring in their step. The revel feels incredibly plush yet efficient when pedalling.
  • 2 0
 @hardtailparty: The Rollik 150 is sick!
  • 3 0
 I mean, they make the 130mm travel mayhem and 150mm travel rollik, so they have a lot of bases covered
  • 3 0
 @McMurray: I've got one (a rollik 150) and I absolutely love it.
  • 1 0
 @hardtailparty: I had checked their other bikes, but they go for the horizontal shock placement. That probably answers my question of whether this configuration could be adapted to a higher travel. Probably not optimal.
  • 1 0
 Trying to decide on this or the Norco Optic. Sounds like if I want to do any sort of drops or jumps the Optic would be better without sacrificing too much on the ups. Sound about right? @mikelevy
  • 2 0
 Totally different bikes. Yes, the optic would be better for drops over 24".
  • 3 0
 I hit an 11 foot drop on my optic a week ago. Can confirm it will handle drops... Lol
  • 2 0
 Don't be fooled by the rear travel of Optic, it is very capable and quite burly for a trail bike. Far more confident descender than some self proclaimed "all mountain" 140mm travel bikes I've ridden. It is also a pretty efficient climber but it doesn't urge you to go fast like some more XC oriented bikes. Based on the review, I wouldn't compare the Optic to the Spot at all.
  • 3 0
 > Or maybe sliding just the right amount, amirite?

The best part of XC tires is drifting every corner.
  • 6 2
 Someone get the singletrack sampler on this one
  • 3 0
 "More cross-country than burly trail" - It's made for XC and not burly trail, how is this a "con"
  • 1 1
 I have a 35lb 160/170 mega burly "enduro" bike, and a hardtail. When I put XC tires on the hardtail, there's a different kind of "fun" that shows itself - a zippy, fast-out-of-corners, flicky boosty kind of fun that is really...fun. Until I flat, of course.

So yeah...I kinda agree with this review that light and sporty can be really fun too, even for someone who really likes going fast on steep techy stuff on a megabike. If a bike could be built light, with fast tires, but also not flat when a mellow rock casts a mere sideways glance at it, it could be a real hoot. I wish Rekon Race's (for example) could come in a burlier casing.
  • 1 0
 This. I have a long travel mega bike and a trail/XC steel hardtail, it’s the perfect combo! Could see switching out hardtail for a ripley or some other short travel bike such as this, but a xc/trail hardtail and/or fs + a mega bike is perfect if you can make two bikes work- financially or otherwise.
  • 3 0
 25 pound 29er full suss XC bike with a sensible parts build. I can dig it.
  • 2 0
 "Rather than the usual arrangement, the bottom of the Fox shock sits in a pass-through tunnel"

What is the "usual arrangement"? And how is this actually different?
  • 2 0
 Demo’ed and bought a Ryve and couldn’t be happier. Super fast climbing bike and tracks unbelievable on the downs. Great engineering. Customer service is top notch.
  • 4 1
 You’re so down country, you could be a part time racer
  • 3 0
 They really hit the sweet Spot here.
  • 8 7
 Remember when Singletrack Sampler almost died on a Spot? Then attacked and blamed him in the comments? Good times, and even better PR!
  • 2 0
 This would be the perfect bike for the trails here in Nebraska...too bad I didn't win the Win it Wednesday.
  • 2 3
 So I tried an XC bike for a bit (Signal Peak) and it just didn't work for me because I actually expect a bike to be comfortable and trail worthy. Sold the SP and got a Guerrilla Gravity Pistola, way more burly and far more fun.

So I wonder, is an XC bike for riding stuff that you could do on a gravel bike? Seems like that's the market ...
  • 5 1
 It probably means you just make really bad line choices.
  • 7 0
 Eh? No.

An XC bike is made to go as fast as possible on a loop that includes both climbing and descending. If you rather have comfort than efficiency then an XC bike just isn't for you.
  • 1 0
 Mike Levy stop getting all these people confused and deliver us the podcast please !!!!! Please , for real Please I love those debates
  • 2 0
 Sounds like my kind of bike. Not much EWS type terrain 'round here anyway.
  • 3 0
 Up Country
  • 2 0
 The trek top fuel would have been a better comparison
  • 2 0
 Not enough triangles. Pass
  • 1 1
 Great review- i always get a kick out of the hate for Racing Ralph’s.
Fragile- yes. But pretty grippy for most conditions and light. 2.35 is a good tire.
  • 1 1
 It's because he put a 900+ gram tire on the front that has more cornering grip than a Minion.
  • 1 0
 I had a few bikes that came with RRs. First race on them and they flatted on stuff that Maxxis XC tyres shrug off.
  • 1 0
 down country? If ever there was a XC bike this is surely it? Or am I missing something?
  • 1 0
 Hi Mike, I love to know your thoughts on this bike vs. Blur vs. Trek Top Fuel for XC racing.
  • 2 0
 I'd love to see a review of the Spot Mayhem.
  • 1 0
 Not gonna lie, it looks like you'd be sitting quite far behind the bottom bracket. Not really optimal.
  • 2 0
 @MikeLevy, you testing the 29" Tioga Edge 22 on the Spot?
  • 1 0
 Wait! Did they comment on a high engagement hub without mentioning pedal kickback?!?!
  • 18 18
 Is Spot ever going to recover from Seth breaking one of their frames on a ride,,,,,
  • 22 4
 Singletrack Sampler: youtu.be/cw5QQyJSyso?t=445
  • 25 5
 Probably not solely due to the unprofessionalism with which they handled the case, accusing Alex of negligence and trying to drag their name through the dirt. If they'd admitted that there was a problem and they were going to look into why it happened we'd all have so much more respect for the brand than we have now
  • 7 0
 @Arobb: Soooo Pole V2.0?
  • 3 2
 Alex* idk we don't hear much about Spot these days.... Hopefully they fired their PR guy
  • 14 3
 Spot was one of the brands I was interested in. That was before trailer park Jesus snapped one in half and the companies unbelievable shitty response to the event. The guy did nothing wrong and the failure was epic. So, I think no. They will probably not be able to put that Spot behind them.
  • 4 3
 @Bailey100: Trailer park Jesus lmao. But yes I agree. Not a very good idea to point fingers at a very popular mtb youtuber considering we can clearly see it was a very big failure that could have resulted in devastating injuries.
  • 14 3
 Everyone always says this, yet everyone is happy to give Evil a pass now that they make amazing bikes - conveniently forgetting several YEARS of debacle.

Honestly? Give it a rest people - yeah, they effed up. It happens.
  • 18 5
 It has been 2 years and you Karen's still want to speak to the manager?
  • 5 1
 @ratedgg13: except some of us won't touch an Evil still to this day.
  • 9 0
 @Rigidjunkie: Also hasn't stopped the Yeti fanbois after several years of cracking seatstays and Yeti being completely silent on it...
  • 10 1
 I dunno man, choosing not to get a bike exclusive due to some youtuber drama is a pretty weird reaction. Like, it's just one anecdote, that just happens to have been captured on camera. Seems like a weird thing to get hung up on.
  • 5 1
 Spot: It was 2 years ago!
Jonah Hill: People don't forget!
  • 5 6
 I decided I'd never consider Spot for anything after that event. Haven't changed my mind.
  • 8 6
 @roma258: You hire a guy to build a porch. The porch breaks. You call the guy and say hey my porch broke. The guy says "yeah you're too fat to be on the porch, it's your fault."
He could have said " Oh shit , let me fix that and look into why it broke"
There's 50 other companies that want to build me a porch.
Why the f$%^ would I get this guy to build me another ?
It's not like his porch building technology is that much better.
Nice porch - too bad it broke.
  • 7 4
 @Bailey100: He didn't build your porch. He build somebody else's porch. And thousands of other porches. The guy he built it for just happens to....I guess make videos about porches. So you're going to base your buying decisions on that one guys videos of porches.

I mean to each his own. Just youtube drama and acting like this dude is your friend who was wronged, instead of a guy making money off content is just....I dunno, a bit odd.
  • 5 0
 @roma258: Fair enough. Virtually every manufacturer will have failure at some point. If they're unlucky it will happen on camera.
I guess my point is how the company reacts and deals with these failures is a reflection on their commitment to customer service. When bikes are thousands of dollars and the market is ultra competitive, this matters.
As far as youtubers go, it's one way to see products tested by real humans that we can probably ride as well as or outride making their observations more relevant that those of a pro mountain biker like Kaz. ( not Levy - he's not good )
Stop calling me weird. I prefer abnormal.
  • 9 2
 @roma258: Wasn't even bout the bike breaking. It was more how their PR rep handled the situation. They could have just claimed fault but nope they basically attacked the guy saying it was his fault. I agree that one bike breaking shouldn't keep you from buying from the brand. But poor customer service would definitely keep me from buying the brand.
  • 2 0
 @Bailey100: I look at it similar to how the RM Slayer that went boom during Field Test. Pretty shitty! But you've got pros like Remi Gauvin just sending massive gaps on that thing and they're holding up fine. Sometimes shit happens. Anyway, like I said to each his own.
  • 1 0
 @ratedgg13: So true! I check my seat and chainstays on my SB5 after every ride amazed that they are still in on piece.... this is even after several 3 to 4 foot drops to flat. Inconceivable!!
  • 4 1
 I managed a bicycle shop in the Colorado Rocky Mountains. When the gates belt drive was first introduced in it’s failed first edition, Spot was fully on board. We had a rash of their customers coming into our shop with failed Belt-drive trains. I have never taken the Brand seriously again after they responded that the bikes worked fine for people who were not in the mountains. Only people in the mountains were reporting the issue!
  • 6 1
 @roma258: when that Rocky broke they just kept quiet and took it on the chin (despite the rumours of a loose axle being a factor). Spot (and also Pole) not only made up BS excuses but also attacked the rider/reviewer. In Spots case they actually suggested it was in part due to the LSC not being are the recommended setting lol.
  • 1 0
 @ninjatarian: years before Pole
  • 8 9
 @nmilot92: Spots customer service is fantastic, they are a good group of guys and want to help you out. This single track sampler dude was NOT a customer, he was just some bro that was on a demo bike dead sailoring drops like a moron.
  • 10 1
 @ccurtis20: Behave yourself we have all seen the video we know what happened and just how do you dead sailor a two foot drop ?
  • 6 1
 @ccurtis20: ...That's what mtb bikes are made for are you serious? Are you a Spot rep or something..
  • 7 1
 @ccurtis20: Sorry, but that's BS. The frame he broke (the Rollik) had a known design flaw, but instead of admitting it and taking the high road, Spot's CEO decided to throw others under the bus and blame them. There's no excuse for that.
  • 4 2
 @stevemokan: Didn't they redesign the linkage and send out free replacements?

I can't find instances of a lot of Rollik's breaking, can you post some? The only other I could find was on another forum, user said Spot was awesome about sending out a new triangle and updated link.

STS is a dude making money off of views, so I don't think he deserves the benefit of the doubt over a bike manufacturer. He's also not a paying customer of Spot. Don't care that much how a company pampers insta-stars, that just seems like guerrilla marketing to me. Don't want to encourage any more of that.
  • 9 1
 @TheRamma: I was personally there, I was the one that rode the broken Rollik down the rest of the Whole Enchilada in Alex's next video. And I was the one that had to deal with Spot's CEO both online (which I decided against) and in person since we were "partners". He flat-out lied about the cause of the broken frame and placed the blame firmly on everyone else wherever he could, including YT, FB and IG. And this despite knowing they had a design flaw on their hands.

They re-designed the newer Rollik, but did not send out any free replacements (only the upper rocker link, but that didn't help as I know of multiple frames breaking even with that "fix"). There's more to the story too; I'd rather not go into more detail since it was two years ago and it's all behind us, but I also want people to know the actual facts and not make assumptions based on a YT video. It was handled about as poorly as possible, in my opinion.
  • 5 0
 @stevemokan: Oh damn, thanks for the real info. I consider myself corrected!
  • 2 11
flag JohanG (May 11, 2020 at 19:18) (Below Threshold)
 Some pothead rode with a deflated shock and broke his bike while dropping off ledges. Big deal. Spot has always been on my radar for my next bike.
  • 3 0
 @JohanG: wait...singletrack smokes pot?
  • 2 0
 @JohanG: in fairness, if a bike isn't made for people who smoke weed and take dumb risks, is it really a mountain bike at all?

I get it, I still don't think I'd write off the brand, mostly because the STS crash is the only bad thing I can find about the brand. Weird how people start to identify with Youtubers (or anyone else in media), like they actually have some kind of personal connection.
  • 2 2
 I have a Ryve, what a bike! Do your research, more than one issue was part of that crash
  • 2 0
 All Country
  • 1 0
 ODI Vans grips.... Interesting choice.
  • 6 0
 They are great grips,i run them on my bikes.Made by ODI for Cult bmx.
  • 1 0
 you can never please everyone ;-)
  • 1 2
 The way you describe this bike, it makes me think that a lockout is necessary. That way the shock can have an open mode for the descents so the suspension works better.
  • 1 0
 Whoa.... 2 Eliud Kipchoge references.
  • 1 0
 This bike needs some salt and pepper to give it some taste.
  • 1 1
 You'd better lower that main pivot point....
  • 1 0
 Down country?
  • 5 6
 More Privateer, less this.
Below threshold threads are hidden

Post a Comment



Copyright © 2000 - 2020. Pinkbike.com. All rights reserved.
dv56 0.032607
Mobile Version of Website