At a certain point, adding another cog isn't going to do much. Some will argue that we crossed that line more than a few years ago, but here we are in 2019 with twelve cogs, one of them the size of a pie plate, no front derailleur, a huge gearing range, and not much to moan about on the performance front. And you don't even need to hand over your entire savings account to get it, with SRAM's GX group delivering everything most of us will ever need for around five hundred bucks and a 400-gram penalty over the more expensive bits.
So why bother spending three or four times that amount on the fancy stuff?
It's not difficult to convince ourselves that more expensive is more better. Especially after paying for it. It's not vanity if it weighs less, right? Traditional high-end drivetrains are a prime example of diminishing returns, but Shimano's Di2 system, while certainly not perfect, proved to me that electronically-controlled shifting is the only way to have an appreciable, worthwhile jump forward in real-world performance. Cables do work very well, sure, but getting the good stuff gives you only marginal gains, and no amount of carbon or titanium can deliver the metronome-like consistency and precision that electronics bring to the table.
The 12-speed Eagle AXS drivetrain is SRAM's take on electronic shifting and, unlike Di2, it's wireless. It also costs $2,000 USD for the shifter, derailleur, cranks, chain, cassette, and all the bits you need in the XX1 guise that's tested below. All that adds up to 1,451-grams, but you can buy each component separately as well.
Eagle AXS Details• Intended use: cross-country, trail, enduro
• 12-speeds, 500% range
• Encrypted wireless network
• 20+ hour battery life
• AXS app configures buttons
• Weight: 1,451-grams
• MSRP: $2,000 USD (XX1, tested), $1,900 USD (X01)
• More info:
www.sram.com/sram
Here's the $2,000 USD box and what comes inside of it when you buy the Eagle AXS XX1 group whole.
It's not apples to apples, but let's compare AXS XX1 to its mechanical counterpart when it comes to price and weight. At 1,451-grams for all of the components, AXS XX1 is actually 5-grams lighter than cable-operated XX1, despite the batteries. There's a bit of weight saved by not having to use a steel cable and housing, and the clip-on battery is just 25-grams. AXS does cost $500 USD more, but you're not paying for the weight loss - you're paying for the wireless control.
What about 11-speed XTR Di2? Keep in mind that Shimano released their wired electronic drivetrain four years ago so it's a bit dated at this point, and it's down a cog as well. Not entirely fair, but here it is. Depending on how you set it up, you're looking at around 1,600-grams for a single-ring drivetrain and a $1,990 USD price tag. The newest mechanical XTR, M9100, has been impressing us since we got on it a few months back, and it costs about $1,435 USD. It weighs around 1,568-grams before you add the necessary cable and housing.
This $700 derailleur is the crown jewel of the AXS group.
The DetailsThe derailleur: This thing is pretty neat. You know, for a derailleur. Hidden inside is a tiny electric motor that spins at 80,000 RPM, as well as a tiny gearbox that converts that to left and right action. Your derailleur has just one clutch? Eeesh. With AXS, you get two of them; there's the usual one-way clutch at the cage pivot for chain retention, but there's also the very important-sounding "Overload clutch." Its job is to isolate that tiny gearbox from impacts, like a rock strike or even just your bike falling over.
Spot the little black box (left) at the center of the parallelogram? That's where the motor and Overload clutch are hiding. The XX1 derailleur gets a carbon outer cage (right) while X01 is full aluminum.
The ominously named clutch uses a one-way bearing, a friction device, and a little cylinder that slides in and out to release the gearbox from the derailleur, but all you'll hear is the faint "
vvvvt'' sound of it realigning itself a split second after impact. Like a $700 robot.
The Eagle AXS XX1 derailleur weighs 350-grams on my scale, without its 25-gram battery clipped onto the back of it.
The $200 shifter looks pretty normal, minus a cable not being required.
The shifter: Without a bunch of gear wheels and the need to pull or release a cable, SRAM had the opportunity to go with a sleek, integrated design that might have even been difficult to spot at first glance. Instead, what they came up with looks a lot like, well, a shifter. For good reason, though; after making a bunch of different prototypes, it turned out that big ol' easy to reach paddles made the most sense, and there needs to be room for the CR2032 battery as well.
The small button (left) is used for paring and trim adjustment functions. The three paddles (right) are actually a single piece that toggles back and forth on one pivot. Small springs provide some tactile feel, as does slight indexing and audible click.
If you had a derailleur inferiority complex, you're about to have a shifter complex. While your shifter has two paddles, this one has three. The two under the bar are mostly where you'd expect them to be, but there's a third button that can be reached from above by bumping it with the knuckle of your pointer finger. It's the knuckle button. You can use the AXS app to configure which buttons do what, and if you have the e-Verb dropper post, you can have all four buttons however you like.
The Eagle AXS XX1 shifter weighs 82-grams on my scale, including the CR2032 battery and standalone clamp, and it costs $200 USD.
Don't like the color? You can use a standard XX1 cassette because the two are identical, finish aside.
The other stuff: The $449 cassette is the same 363-gram X-Dome job from SRAM's standard XX1 group, and the same goes for the $85 chain, both of which get the divisive 'Rainbow' finish that I'm a fan of. Plenty of others aren't, though. Could you ever imagine Shimano using such a color? How about never. The cranks are the very light (436-grams w/ 34-tooth ring) XX1 Eagle Dub SL arms that go for $515 USD.
Batteries are included, with the derailleur being powered by the same 25-gram, clip-on unit that gives life to the e-Verb dropper and their Red road drivetrain. SRAM says to expect around 20-hours of juice when it powers the AXS derailleur, which is about half as long as when it's being used on the seatpost. A small LED lets you know when it's time to stick it in the charger. Up at the shifter, there's a CR2032 watch-style battery that you can find at your closest corner store when it dies after a couple years of use.
The 25-gram battery (left) is said to last around 20-hours before needing to be charged. If you want a spare, they cost $50 USD.
There's also a free companion app (iOS and Android) that isn't required to use AXS day-to-day, but it does allow you to customize the function of all your new buttons. You can make your Reverb button on the left shift to a lower gear, that weird third 'knuckle button' on your shifter can control the post, and the last button can drop to a higher gear. Or any other way you might want to do it.
How it all works: It has to wake up before it goes to work. All of the AXS components will auto-sleep, just like me, and auto-wake if you do so much as move your bike by a few millimetres. You grabbing your bike will jolt the computer to life, and when the time comes to shift, a signal is shot out to the derailleur over an encrypted wireless network, at which point the little motor fires up from zero to mach chicken nearly instantly. All you'll hear is the 'vvvvt,' a sound you better get used to, of the derailleur moving the chain.
InstallationHow long does it take to install AXS? It takes far longer to remove your old cable-controlled relics than it does to put on the new derailleur and shifter, at which point it's time to introduce the two and tell them to talk to each other. You do this by holding down the pairing button on the derailleur until it flashes green, then doing the same to the shifter. Lastly, turn the pairing off by pushing that derailleur button again.
The included instructions are top-notch and easy to follow.
You'll need to set the usual limit and B-tension adjustments (it comes with a chain gap tool, so zero excuses), but there's obviously no cable tension to adjust. I lieu of that, a trim function lets you make micro-adjustments to where the derailleur sits. Hold the shifter's pairing button down while shifting in the direction it needs to go and it'll move ever so slightly; the top pulley wheel needs to line up with the cog when you're in the second-highest gear. Because it moves the exact same amount with each shift, it'll also be lined up with the other twelve cogs.
I reckon most people get could this on their bike and running within 20-minutes, including taking off your off old drivetrain. And if you can pair a Bluetooth speaker to your phone, you can pair the AXS components as well. SRAM even has a
great how-to video that's worth watching.
PerformanceYes, I get it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with your mechanical drivetrain or how it performs. Of course, I understand not wanting to be hours into the forest only for your battery to die; charging is just one more thing to remember. I realize that you already know how to shift gears, too, and the last thing you need is help from some gosh darn computer.
But this AXS stuff is good. Really good.
First, let's really boil down how to shift, and especially what you're doing with your thumb. Regardless of whether you have a SRAM or Shimano drivetrain, you simply push the thumb paddle when you want to change to an easier gear, right? Kinda, but things are happening that probably come as second nature to you. Picture the chain in the middle of the cassette but you want to shift to the next larger cog. You know to push the thumb paddle, but not too much because then you'll shift two gears instead of one, but also to push it until you feel the first click and then maybe just a smidge more to get the chain over there. It's just pushing the thumb paddle, sure, but there's a technique to do it correctly.
With two different types of mounts and large paddles, the shifter is easy to reach. I ended up preferring the standalone clamp (not shown) with the shifter nearly right up against the grip.
If you've been riding for a year or two, you probably do all that without thinking much about it, and quick. It's not exactly difficult, even in the heat of a technical battle with rocks and roots, but don't kid yourself: Even today's single-ring drivetrains require skill and timing to use smoothly, and they'll tell you when you don't get it right.
AXS doesn't let you make mistakes, though, and the shifting offers perfect, metronome-like consistency. Every. Single. Time. Just like XTR Di2, in fact, but without the giant cigar battery and rat's nest of wires.
The paddles give a tactile 'click' when you hit them, and one push will give you one shift - it's a button, so there's no throw to it. You can hold the paddle down and the derailleur will move the chain over the entire cassette in either direction, but that particular task is still done faster with a cable. If you're in a small cog and need to dump to a much easier gear in a hurry, pushing the mechanical thumb paddle is going to be quicker. AXS is just as fast as a mechanical drivetrain when talking single shifts, though, but it doesn't feel any faster.
A lot of hard miles and not a single bad shift. AXS offers incredible consistency.
Shimano's new mechanical XTR group does beat AXS in one area: Shifting under heavy pedalling loads. The fresh XTR is magic at shifting when you're not supposed to, whereas AXS seems to be about par for the course on that front.
That said, holding the AXS paddle down is certainly easier than pushing a thumb paddle through its entire stroke once, and especially if you need to do it twice. If you have hand issues, as one rider did who used this very AXS test group, it's tough to beat how easy AXS makes it as lever throw is a thing of the past. It's not quiet, though, with a 'vvvvvvt' sound coming from the derailleur every time you push the paddle. You'll get used to it, but it'll be fodder for your riding buddies until the novelty wears off.
No word of a lie, I can't say there was a single bad shift over more than sixty rides and 45,000 meters of vertical gained and lost. Muddy? The robot don't care. The hose? The robot don't care. Getting beat up by Whistler Bike Park's braking bumps for hours on end before heading to the GLC for some well-earned chicken strips? The robot definitely don't care.
My right-hand gets on pretty well with SRAM's (and Shimano's) mechanical shifters, but the three-way AXS paddle never felt bang-on to me when I had it mounted on the Matchmaker clamp that also holds the brake. With the brake where it needed to be, I found myself pushing on the outer third of the paddle, or just the edge of it, more often than not.
SRAM is pretty good with the options, though, and using the standalone clamp let me bring it closer to my apparently stubby thumb. That way, I could literally just bump the shifter with my thumb in a split second, and it made the knuckle button easier to reach, too.
Maybe too easy - I sometimes found myself shifting by accident, either from tapping the button more than I wanted because I was getting a bit loose, or just accidentally hitting it with my hand. Turning the multi-shift function off in the app solves this. AXS is all about consistent, easy use, and flexibility, so you might as well make an effort during set-up to get the most out of it.
Reliability has been good, but there are a few non-AXS-related grumbles to report on. The sixty-ish rides that have been put on the drivetrain were split between myself and another rider, with the numbers adding up to right around 45,000-meters of climbing and descending. In that time, battery life sat around three weeks, or about fifteen to twenty rides, before the red LED said it was time to give it some juice. We both went past the twenty-hour mark multiple times before charging, but terrain and fitness, and therefore how much you shift, will be a big factor in battery life.
There were more than a couple of rock strikes. The Overload clutch is very effective, and you can even hear it work if you listen carefully after an impact.
I wasn't quite brave enough to keep riding until the battery was fully drained, but there's zero degradation in shift performance well into the red light being on. The only thing that stopped AXS was a broken chain, likely due to a shift under heavy load that caused a tooth to peel one of the chain's outer plates from the rivet. It's not all that common these days, but I've also broken a Shimano chain in the last year or two.
What about SRAM-specific issues that aren't uncommon, like the narrow/wide pulley wheels coming out of time with the chain, or the derailleur bolt backing out of the hanger? Zero issues with the latter, and that includes it being used on three different bikes. Unfortunately, SRAM is persisting with their narrow/wide pulley wheels that, when they come out of time with the chain, cause a rough feeling through the pedals. Drop it down to the 10-tooth cog before shifting back up to instantly fix this annoying quibble.
One last thing to note is that it's not the quietest derailleur out there, with it sometimes making an obvious rattle when the bike is getting bucked around over rough ground.
Would I buy it? For me, $2,000 is a hell of a lot of coin, regardless of what I'm spending it on, but that's just a decent night out for a lot of other folks. To be fair, I doubt that I'd drop $1,500 on mechanical XX1 when GX does the things I'd need it to do... But, if I was going to spend that kind of money on a drivetrain, I'd do my best to come up with another $500 to lose the cables and housing. It is that good. Alternately, pairing an AXS derailleur and shifter with a less expensive crankset and cassette isn't a terrible idea.
Pros
+ Incredibly consistent shifting
+ Easy to install and set-up custom shift controls
+ Wireless = simplicity
Cons
- Pricey
- You might not like the 'vvvvvt' or rattle sounds
- Batteries = remembering to charge them
Pinkbike's Take:  | You can say that computers and batteries don't belong on your bike, and you can certainly moan at the cost as much as you want, but the bottom line is that nothing else on the market offers this combination of simplicity, consistency, gearing range, low weight, and overall performance.— Mike Levy |
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I don't doubt that AXS is working perfectly, but for that kind of money, that is nope for me. Would rather spend it on new FOX36 Factory...
With a small front chainring its plentlyful and a der. or cassette will only cost me 30€.
Eagle is nice but the NX Cassette is very heavy sadly
We all know the result. So where is the real world advantage for AXS or electronic shifting in general?
The only real benefit I see is wireless lock-outs to cut down on cable clutter but that could exist separate to shifting. The biggest advantage has to be marketing/increased sales.
Dental school is getting more expensive ($100K total cost of education PER YEAR), with bigger class sizes (read: more dentists graduating flooding the market like what's happening in pharmacy), and lower reimbursements from insurances, as well as insurances dictating how to treat patients if under contract with insurance.
I own my own practice, and I still work for other people on the side to pay my bills. I sure as shit am not having my kids take over my practice. I'll sell it to the highest bidder (private doc or conglomerate dental management org). I've already vowed to keep my kids away from healthcare.
I'd rather sell to a private practice doc than a conglomerate, but they're strong arming everyone with private equity money. We can't keep up. So, it's work your ass off to pay down that debt, save up if possible, and get out of dodge before the whole thing collapses.
Haha.
Most of my income goes to paying off my debt. Being a young dentist sucks in America, but I'm held hostage with my debt at this point (which doesn't disappear if I go bankrupt).
Love my bikes though!!
I just keep my life more simple.. No holiday trailer, boat or motorcycle in my garage.. Couple of nice bikes, snowboards and a hockey stick really and I'm a happy camper..
Keeping a simple life and appreciating what we have is the way to live. I'd rather a sweet bike to ride in the woods than a fancy car all day any day. Cheaper, healthier, and makes me smile way more.
‘11 Jekyll 1x10 xt ftw!
If you jokers don’t want conglomerates then support your local dentist shop! You can’t get teeth end of season on crc for the cheap... can’t even get shimano there anymore!
I provide XT-XTR Di2 levels of service as well... for now. One day I hope to be free of the insurance hostage situation.
I currently have 3 eagles. 2gx and 1 xo. Never broken .
Wierd that you get a different experience.
Many many lower cage. I was stupid enough to prefer buying 60$ cages instead of a RD
They cost like 400 usd in my country we are fookeed
It can't make jump shifts. That's a big drawback for me in up and down riding. It can't shift as well as XTR under power. Both those are issues that I'd consider when deciding on a high end drive train.
Now, you could argue that you shouldn't be shifting under power anyway, but that is more a result of drivetrains not being able to handle it and so mountain bikers adapting than any real performance advantage.
As for shifting under load, while you're not "supposed to", we all get caught out on the trail from time to time and being able to do this seamlessly is definitely desirable.
Shifting under load though, I can see that make sense. We now downshift before we really need to, which lowers our speed which in turn may actually make a subsequent downshift necessary. I think I climb faster if I take chances and don't downshift and accept that I may have to get off if I can't stomp that heavy gear. Shifting under load gets you the best of both worlds. Stomp the heavy gear as long as you can and only downshift when you really need to.
I'm not the kind to buy into the latest tech but I can see myself get the new Shimano stuff five years or so from now. SRAM Eagle, much less likely.
Road electronic drivetrains (especially on bikes with shitty cable routing) absolutely seem like the bee's knees and I want one so bad.
I can see the appeal and what electronic shifting can bring to the table but I would wait a few iterations until they figure everything out
I love to ride bikes, all types but mostly choose MTN. I have ridden Ultegra Di2 on my road bike (bought as a stock set up on a used bike for less than $3K) I bought a cross bike this year to race on and to liven up my xc trails in town here as my mtn bike is a bit too much for them. My CX bike came with Sram Force AXS and I can attest to the fact that its awesome. So was the Di2. AXS is better, although the vintages might have something to do with this and the fact that AXS is new to me this season
Sure, the bike was not cheap by any means but I saved and sold etc, who gives a shit. Its my money and the kids are fed, clothed, housed and happy. blah blah blah.
The best use of the wired/less drivetrain is when things get muddy and grimey - CX racing in mud, snow is a prime example. I think that his is where the drivetrain has a great place in the world. Ive not used Di2 in the mud but the same premise would apply. Without cables to get shittied up it seems the shifting stays great and crisp and you're also not forcing cables through housings etc and potentially breaking stuff in the shift pod with excessive force.
You could say the same thing for MTN, but, it is looked down upon to ride the local trails in the mud, so most people usually don't here in CO. I do ride in the snow however (not on a fatbike) and more than once I've had a frozen shift cable. But for the few rides a year I do, it's not really an issue - I'm sure the cold would suck the life out of the battery anyway.
I still choose to run the stock mechanical drivetrain on my MTN bike as I like to ride in the backcountry and to everyones point, I do not want to replace an expensive spare mech or run out of battery power. On that note, if you do break a mech on a ride, it'll just become a single speed for the remainder of the ride anyway. Ill stick with cables until the battery life is significantly improved to a once a year charge. (I don't charge that hard and have never broken a derailer anyway) - I have snapped a chain though....poor shifting in my earlier years
I am no way elite-est when it comes to this stuff, however I do like the progression and engineering behind SOME of the new products. Most product progression in all sports comes from a trickle-down effect from racing (or pro level competition etc) so the R and D behind it will ultimately drive a high user price.
I'm under the opinion that high end products will always command a high end price regardless of whether they produce high end function. Just think back to 24 spd 3 x 8 XTR however long ago. For the time this was the high end product fetching the high end price. It had, by no means, better performance than todays GX or SLX - which do not command the high end price.
Perhaps I'm wrong? I am in no way judging those that choose how to spend their money in any way. I choose how to spend mine and appreciate certain products and innovation. Instead of showing hate (even if its in jest), perhaps thank those people that choose to buy these high end products that force the demand and thus the trickledown effect will continue to proved those that are smarter with their money with great prices on great products - eventually.
Yes, this was a bit long winded, but it starts to annoy me sometimes when people knock innovation and progression because the initial offering is expensive. No new item is for everyone all the time - in any industry.
Just my 2 cents
I do not consider electronic actuated shifting to be substantially better than cable actuated shifting, whereas the move from cable actuated brakes to hydraulic actuated brakes really did improve braking performance.
Kinda like the arguments for and against carbon components: They are more expensive, but if they are really better then consumers will note that difference and vote with their pockets.
Like I wrote, my wife's bike has XT 11sp eshifting, so yeah, I am familiar with it and sure, it's kinda cool, but I also worry a lot about her being stranded on the trails due to a malfunction, not to mention it's expensive.
So no, I don't think it's all that significant of an innovation, and I do think it's unnecessary.
However, SRAM has the advantage of being able to integrate electronics with suspension (RockShox) and possibly even telemetry/data acquisition (Quarq) on top of AXS, so that might be the next big thing.
There's no way I would invest in Eagle AXS (even though I really want it) without at least the cage being 100% replaceable. I've "downgraded" all my current MTB's over the last 2 years to Eagle GX rear derailleurs for this reason. While I've had a fair amount of success straightening the outer cage and replacing the inner on various Eagle derailleurs, on average I have to replace one derailleur per year across 3 bikes. Where I ride my MTB's, it's basically a mine field and it's only a matter of time before a derailleur gets destroyed.
That would be a $700 hit every time with AXS, the equivalent of 6 GX derailleurs, and while I could afford it, it would piss me off beyond reason and I got other things I'd rather spend the money on.
So SRAM, at the very least, make that that cage fully replaceable, PLEASE! Oh, and that cage better NOT be like $300.
on the bikes I have recently had, is just one that gives me that kind of problems, and I am using a SRAM Rival 1, I just hope I am being able to switch to GRX sometime next year, I am not very pleased with that Rival, on the other hand, I have a Remedy 8 with GX and it does work fine, a X Caliber, some road bikes and stuff.
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Had 3 X01 mechs lose their clutch action, they don't really start with much tension, certainly a lot more chain slap than the previous 11 speed mechs.
Going to stick an XTR mech on next week, with the existing x01 shifter and cassette.
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Is it worth it? probably not but I don't like constantly fine tuning the indexing which you need to do most of the time with SRAM setups.
And don't complain that it is expensive because it's a high end setup meant for people that don't care about that.
Sram always does seem to need more fine tuning but heck, the trim adjustment sure beats the heck out of a barrel adjust! That’s for sure
Installation is obviously different, but once set up & running, can there be distinguished any bigger positives/negatives when comparing the everyday usage to the Di2 offerings? Is one crispier shifting or does the tactile feel make any difference?
I bought AXS. As good as advertised. Blows XTR away. Yes, it’s stupid money but YOLO! Yes, because I spent stupid money on it I’m going to say it’s better than XTR but it’s true. It works. It’s awesome. And has stood up to rocks and my terrible riding.
And the overused trope about SRAM beta testing on consumers while Shimano releases only perfect product... please stop. Ride this and then ride the XTR brakes which Shimano STILL CAN’T FIX THE BITE POINT ISSUES WITH (seriously. It’s been five years)
It’s a wrap for Shimano. They will have electric GX while Shimano is figuring out if they should even go wireless.
My gx derailleur on the other hand.. please take it. I'll try slx 12 speed. It can't be worse, right? Gx was sweet when new. Just the other day I had to loosen the cable tension to get it to shift right. Cables don't magically tighten on their own, but apparently gx derailleurs magically Bend in the lightest breeze.
I have never had so many problems with a derailleur. I had a deore 9 speed. Didn't adjust it once in around 5 years. Shifted fine. Gx I'm guessing with every other ride.
@wibblywobbly Just curious, what of the XTR made it feel like 'GX level' to you?
Definately going back to Shimano... Probably SLX as the price point seems good.
I just got a bike with GX and I will be pissed when it bends, lol.
My rear wheel is now true, new rear rotor, new derailleur hanger, cleaned jockey wheels, inspected cage etc and It IS a lot better. Good as new? No. Ghost shifts suck but the worst is trying to downshift and it magically decides to upshift. I click one upshift, get 2 downshifts instead. WTF?!
Anyhow, last couple rides it has been ok. I am still trying to wrap my head around it shifting great after coming from the shop, but then needing loosen the tension the next ride. I'm guessing I bumped the derailleur on something but that seems pretty significant, as in I'd remember doing something to it near the end of my ride.
I assume it's just the close tolerances of 12 speed, so anything is out of wack it's magnified. I haven't ridden Shimano 12 speed yet. I've ridden SLX 11 speed. Way different from gx eagle. Notchier maybe? When gx eagle is working right I love it. Quick precise shifts. Feels awesome. Of course that all goes downhill when my bike ghost shifts on a punchy technical climb and I hit my junk on the stem.
but yeah, confirmation bias maybe... and are you talking about 1x12 xtr? hasn't exactly been out long.
Modern mtbs are amazing, someone has to break new ground once in a while or we’d still be riding 70 degree headtubed, rim braked, klunkers. And if that’s your thing, well, rad on man.
Many people are quite happy with that amount of effort (in reality, it probably equates to 5 minutes extra a month so really isn't massive) - but this system means all that time is saved, also no need to replace cables and reset adjustments.
It is a different way of doing the same job.
- you can blast the dirt right out of your cables
- if you damage the cable outer, you only need to replace the last section instead of the full cable (which is a hassle especially for those with internal cable routing)
- you can say you've got Middleburn stuff on your bike and look smug.
Absolutely nothing wrong with cable systems, but comparing wireless to cable is pretty pointless as they both have different pros and cons. Comparing just on price and it is obvious who the winner is, but the systems are more than just price (if that were the case, no-one would be running XT or XTR as SLX is just as good (cue everyone who thinks otherwise jumping in...)).
Makes me wonder if it would be helpful to have some kind of flexible boot over the exposed end of cable at the mech-end. If you could keep that clean, you'll also be pulling less gunk up into the outer cable. Though as with any kind of sealing, it may do a decent job at keeping gunk out but it will do an even better job at retaining gunk that has managed to get in.
From now on, I'll try to clean the exposed bit of cable at the mech-end after each ride. Never realized it was worthwhile. I was lucky last weekend. Snapped my (16 month old) inner cable near the end of my ride. Only had to push up a few meters near the end. Would have been a massive disappointment would this have happened earlier that ride
Agree I wish sram offer different cassettes with different gear ratios
Out of curiosity, how long do you think it will take for this to be a common sight on the trails? Will this be the top spec for the next 5-10 years, or will there be an SLX-level electronic shifting thanks to trickle down™?
Shimano has a more in depth setup and adjustment process, for good or for bad. Shift speed, synchro shift for 2x drivetrains, etc.
Current gen DA/ultegra systems have had a disproportionate amount of problems In my experience compared to the last gen stuff. Most issues are fixed with a quick error check and charge up and suddenly it works perfectly again. Sticky brake systems, batteries draining themselves for no reason, etc. Granted, that’s just the road but since shimano seems to be focused on that in recent years it’s not promising.
I still run di2 on my road bike, still undecided on whether it’s time to go to axs on the mountain bike.
Thats not 100% right. The upper thumb button / front index finger button is effectively the same thing on a pivot. There are only 2 functions on the shifter.
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MCC
Afraid to use the wrong or any lubricant and gunk it up -- or know if that is the right approach to fixing it. The wrong lubricant will act as a dust magnet and damage it...
The AXS Mobile Phone App (on iPhone 7) does not work properly for me. The home screen page that loads and shows what AXS components you have fails to show them sometimes even after I wake the components up by pressing the button on each component (dropper and derailer). Sometimes when I open the app they appear, other times it blinks for a split second showing the components then it blank. No way to contact SRAM on the defect of their mobile app. Don't care about the App as long as the shifters work, this is just an FYI.
1. It wakes up on any movement. So how much battery is it sucking while hanging off my truck on a multi-day road trip?
2. If I really needed/wanted electronic shifting, I'd buy Archer Components D1X Trail system for $390 or probably cheaper with one of their 15% off sales.. Works with any derailleur, 10, 11, 12, or 13 speeds... Possibly the ergonomics aren't as good as the AXS, but after reading the review, didn't sound like Levy was 100% on those either.
3. What happens when you bend your hanger on a ride? How easy is AXS to adjust and get your bike to stay in a gear again? The trim adjustment feature on D1x is adjustable to each gear which theoretically make it easier to adjust the system to a wider range of functioning gears than a global trim adjust like on AXS with a mangled hanger (and maybe damaged derailleur).
X0 cassettes are way nicer in terms of weight and durability compared to GX and a world better than NX - and NX gets you an 11t high gear.
Also, the chain is the most important thing durability wise in an Eagle groupset, so it doesn’t make sense to scrimp and save on that either.
Upgrading from GX to axs X01 cost me 780euros, doing the same for basic X01 was around 400euros, might aswell shell the money and going wireless.
Also the cage length is shorter by 10mm and the second "clutch" might save the derailler when the mechanic one might brake so...
Or offer that as an option (because the XC guys this is aimed at don't ride for more than a few hours at a time and would never take an efficiency hit for quality of life).
If it doesn't charge from a powerbank but you do fancy electronic shifting, ideally wait for a competitor like Box or TRP to release a model that does.
Stop getting all nit picky Mr “epic”.
Tbf I would imagine many people would opt for a slightly heavier but longer-life battery (a la di2) if available, but I'm sure the 25g battery is super attractive to racers. Not that it's hard to remember to charge your battery once in every 20 hrs of riding anyway.
gotta make the criticisms verrrrrry subtle eh.
For this price, you can have Effigear or Pinion gearbox, or one of the latest linkage forks. That'd be more meaningful and sport-progressing and your ride-progressing investment than this tamagotchi.
I've read through entire text and the only advantage of electro-shifted derailleur over mechanically shifted one is ease of installation/setup. For me as for a dedicated derailleur hater, this is the only advantage I can see in this product.
Please, industry, JUST DEVELOPE THE FVCKING GEARBOX !
15 years ago (ish) i bought my first "proper" mountain bike: a 2004 Giant XtC 4, with sick new Hydraulic Giant MPH brakes (Hope C2 knock offs) and a terrible Suntor fork (hat i upgraded pretty rapidly to a mazocchi MXComp.)
Expensive, to me then, at £500.
A few bikes and a few frames later, I paid £2300 for my 2015 Orange five.
WTF is going wrong with this industry that a £7k bike is mid range you can spend $1000 on brakes, and a rear mech is $700.
Not cool guys
Expensive shit like this is only a problem if it's going to bother you to not have your bike all blinged out. If not, budget components are better than they've ever been.
They were easier to adjust and work better than any SRAM 12sp system I have tried.
My wife has a Shimano 11sp eshift system that works well, using a Sunrace cassette to extend range.
ps. this review should be ebike tagged , bikes equipped with axs are not fully operational without electricity.
When I first saw Shimano's offering, I was excited because it offered something that we don't see much of: front derailleurs. Because, let's face it: a single front speed is a huge limitation: there is only so many gears you can slap on the rear, meaning that your % change is always going to be relatively small. Having multiple speeds was always the practical solution to that, but it came at the price of garbage front shifting technology (even with XTR) and dropped chains. These electric setups remove the horrendous shifting, which is huge. I imagine that with some creative work it might even be possibly to deal with it on a pseudo narrow-wide that allows dropping the chain to the next gears without dropping it on jumps. That would be the innovation we need it see.
And, SRAM, you need to make a GX and X0 model of this at a reasonable price. Because none of this is that special or fancy. Not truly when you think about it: it's a fancy motor/servo to replace the cable.
but feedback from my friends that ride, is that (at least Eagle GX) not worth it, after 6 months you need to change everything. (after 1000km)
Me and my friend also have a lot of Sram, Eagle stuff that just works well for years and way above 1000km.
My GX Eagle on my park bike got the most abuse with multiply hits on the derailleur. 3 bent derailleur hanger, still working fine.
I have trashed a few Shimano ones...does that mean Shimano is bad?
Nope I just had bad luck, thats it.
Both Shimano and Sram have great stuff and if I build a new bike I will go with the SLX or XT 12 speed.
On a side note I do have a friend who has the higher spec 12 speed and he got well over 3000km out of his and its still going strong so it might be the gx
no brainer and i m having fun with smart money
1.) the cage on the X01 Eagle derailleur is the same as the XX1, but with a gray alloy inner plate instead of a black one.
2.) the derailleur noise while shifting is hardly audible. In fact I never even noticed it had one until I shifted it in the stand.
3.) there are only two buttons on the shifter, but two paddles press the same button from different directions.
4.) citing "charging batteries" as a con is a stretch. Do you charge your phone at night? Cool, charge your AXS battery too.