Review: Vittoria's New Mazza Tire

Jun 15, 2020
by Mike Kazimer  

The Mazza is a fresh addition to Vittoria's mountain bike tire lineup, with a tread pattern that's designed to allow it to excel on trails where those heavily siped knobs have something to dig into.

There are 2.4” and 2.6” versions for both 29” and 27.5” wheels in either a 1.5-ply Trail or 2-ply Enduro casing. Both versions have sidewall protection and anti-pinch flat inserts.

I spent most of my time on the 29 x 2.4” and 2.6” Trail versions, which weigh in at 970 and 1120 grams respectively, and retail for $69.99 USD.

Vittoria Mazza Tire Details
• 4C Graphene rubber compund
• Tubeless ready
• Sidewall protection
• Trail and Enduro casing options
• Sizes: 29 x 2.4" or 2.6", 27.5 x 2.4" or 2.6"
• Weight: 970 grams - 29 x 2.4" trail casing / 1120 grams - 29 x 2.6" trail casing
• MSRP: $69.99 USD
www.vittoria.com


Details

Tires that use three different rubber compounds are fairly common, but Vittoria took things a step further and turned the dial to up to four. Rather than use the same durometer for the entire base of the tire, Vittoria's 4C compound uses a harder durometer in the very center, where the need for more wear resistance is the greatest, with a slightly softer compound on top. Two different rubber compounds are used for the side knobs, where once again there's a harder layer to help provide support during cornering with a softer compound on the top for grip in wet conditions.

Graphene, a microscopic layer of graphite, is mixed with all of the various rubber compounds, where Vittoria says it fills the spaces between the rubber molecules, increasing the tread lifespan and improving rolling resistance.

The 2.6" version measured a little narrower than claimed...
...while the 2.4" option was on target.


Tread Pattern

The Mazza's tread pattern falls into the Minion DHF-like category, but this isn't a carbon copy of what's arguably the most popular tread pattern in existence. Look closer, and you'll see an extensive amount of siping on every knob that's intended to dictate how and when they're able to deform.

On the side knobs, a deeper cutout is located on the inner block, which is meant to allow that portion to conform to the terrain while the outer portion of the knob remains supported during cornering. The side knobs use an alternating pattern, with two different shapes and positions. The outermost side knobs have a U-shaped cut-out in the center, while the next row, which sits slightly inboard, has a uniform, rectangular outer profile.

Another tread feature that makes the Mazza stand out is the stair-step that's been cut into the larger center knobs. According to Vittoria, that stair step helps it bite into the ground at slower speeds for improved climbing traction, while acting more like a ramped knob at higher speeds. Those stair step knobs alternate with two rectangular blocks that have – you guessed it – more siping, this time in the form of a cut down the middle of each block.




Performance

I tried both the Enduro and Trail versions of the Mazza, but I ended up preferring the Trail versions, due to the lighter weight and more compliant casing. The Enduro version, especially the 2.6” width, is very heavy, at 1447 grams, which is up there even for a full-on downhill tire, and the two-ply construction gives it a stiffer, more wooden feel than the Trail version. The 2.4” width Enduro tire is a little less chunky at 1261 grams, but even if I was planning on racing I'd still probably run a Trail version up front.

The Trail version may be lighter than the Enduro option, but it still offered enough support and pinch flat protection for my local trails, which tend to be more rooty than rocky. I ran 21 psi in the front and 23 psi in the rear on rims with a 30mm inner width. Getting the tires set up tubeless didn't pose any issues, and they popped into place with a floor pump.

I'm picky about tires, and I typically take my time when getting used to a new tread pattern and rubber compound, especially if the trails are wet and slimy. With the Mazzas, the learning curve was short and free of any surprises, even when shiny roots were lurking around every corner. It's a very predictable tire on both the front and the rear, with an impressive amount of grip in all conditions both descending and climbing. The Mazza's worked well on all but the muddiest, greasiest days - in deeper mud and loam they will pack up and lose traction, but that's when a tire with an even more aggressive, blocky pattern would be a better option.

When it comes to cornering, the Mazza's have a fairly round profile, which makes it easy to transition to those side knobs, although those knobs don't bite in the same way that they do on a tire like Michelin's Wild Enduro. With the Wild Enduro, the side knobs act like a serrated knife when you get them on edge; during hard cornering you can feel the side knobs churning up the earth. With the Mazza, the side knobs seem to conform to the ground instead, like the suction-cupped tentacles of an octopus. That means there's not quite as much definition when you really have the tire leaned over, but they did keep gripping well past where I'd expected them to break free.

As far as braking traction goes, the Mazza doesn't have quite the same level of bite as a DHR II, but it's right on par with a Minion DHF. I'd place the Mazza's in the middle of the road when it comes to rolling speed – they didn't feel overly draggy, but they also weren't noticeably faster rolling than similar options.

Durability

The majority of my testing over the last few months took place when the ground was relatively soft, conditions that are conducive to a longer tire lifespan. All the same, I haven't had any flats, and all the knobs are still firmly intact.




Pros

+ Very predictable handling
+ Works well in a wide range of terrain
Cons

- Enduro casing version is on the heavier side of the scale
- Can get overwhelmed in extra-muddy conditions



Pinkbike's Take
bigquotesThe Mazza is a mixed conditions master, a great option for riders who want to run one tread pattern all year round without making too many compromises.  Mike Kazimer








196 Comments

  • 86 9
 I was getting ready to type something in defense of these tires pointing out the difference from a DHF when my 6 year old walked by and said “hey those look like the tires on sisters bike!”


She has DHF’s on her bike ...
  • 17 0
 The emperor has new clothes!
  • 48 28
 Here is a review vid I did for the release. (I am supported by vittoria) Considering the tire designer for some of those Maxxis treads now works for Vittoria... well, there you go. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xj73xW5L60&t=53s
  • 26 11
 Posts actual review of tire of someone who's raced on the tires mentioned above.. instantly downvoted. LOL man I love pinkbike
  • 11 0
 Ohh- maggah....that looks a-Mazza
  • 5 3
 @projectnortheast: there you go, click!
  • 1 0
 @scary1: Ha that made me chuckle.
  • 1 4
 I pay less for my Moto tires...
  • 10 4
 @projectnortheast: I think you got downvoted for spamming the comments section to boost engagement on your sponsored comment.

I'm not saying that's exactly what you did. I appreciate that you disclosed that you're affiliated with Vittoria. But that's the way it seems.
  • 2 2
 @projectnortheast: Colin Bailey, who designed the original Maxxis DHF works for the Giant Factory Offroad Team Wink
  • 12 4
 @pmhobson: Fair enough. I dont get paid by brands for any review I do. I'm sure alot of people dont realize that's kinda how things work. Product is given to media to review much like pinkbike. I shared my fair review for another perspective, but always like to make known who supports me and who I actively choose to be supported by. I have real on trail experience with this tire along with alot of other tires from other brands. Hopefully some found it helpful. Cheers!
  • 13 6
 @projectnortheast: Sure. I know most folks don't get paid directly by the brands. But your status as a reviewer/influencer/whatever who is lucky enough to receive free bike gear is contingent upon racking up clicks and eyeballs and ad impressions. So while your review of the tires may genuinely reflect your impression of them, don't act like you're making the videos and posting the link out of the goodness of your heart.
  • 5 0
 @pmhobson: Would you make the same comment about Skill with Joseph or Burm Garden (to name a minimum). They all are Bitches at some point.
  • 1 0
 @projectnortheast: where were you riding in that vid? I think we're from the same general area and I'm curious. Thanks.
  • 2 4
 @projectnortheast: In what world have we come to live that people get free stuff for making video's that nearly nobody even watches. How does that go? Hey I'm a youtuber, do you want to support me? Sure! What free stuff do you neede to brag about?

Sensible people seem to work at SRAM, they don't really do that shit. Imma buy more SRAM.
  • 2 1
 @inonyme: how is that related to this case ? Never seen the guys you mention piggyback on comments section to promote their sponsors.

I didn't downvote - Disclosing the affiliation is proper etiquette and I also didn't check out the vid. He could have skipped on linking his vid and disclosing affiliation, and still commented on how good he thinks the tire is.

Anyone know if pinkbike prohibits "commercial" activity in the comments ? (however complicated it might be to enforce).
  • 2 0
 @juliopedro: Many youtouber/rider comment and promote on PB.
  • 1 1
 @inonyme: Would I make the comment that their livelihood is contingent upon ad revenue and clicks and use engangement? Absolutely. Why wouldn't I? Would I make the comment that they don't post videos out of the goodness of their heart? Of course. It's their job.

I don't get out of bed, find clothes to wear, pack up my stuff, go to the garage, walk past my fun bikes, pick out my commuter and ride it for 30 minutes in the rain among the traffic, lock up, change clothes, then sit at my desk for 9 - 10 hours a day out of the goodness of my heart either.
  • 41 4
 Ah, new product releases are my favorite. A time where all of pinkbike users become testers through rigorous hours spent rolling through images and comments in the comfort of couches and office chairs to turn assumptions to truth...

This is REAL feedback from the trail.

This tire completes a line that Vittoria has been growing over the past few years. Of course there will be resemblance to other tires throughout product lines. You could all argue the new ford ranger looks a lot like a toyota tacoma, because yes, its a mid-size truck in the year 2020. The Martello is a great fast rolling dry tire great for places like moab, while the Mota is great for soft soil or mud like that in the PNW, but the Mazza is important to bridge the gap in between. As the review above confirms, the Mazza are superior in a wide range of changing conditions and this tire will become my primary set for all types of soil and weather. There are distinct differences when compared to other tires in the same family produced by other brands and that is why these tires are worth a try. Some people have done a good job picking up on the details of this tire and how it translates to performance, but to reiterate some of the highlights:
The aggressive siping gives this tire impressive and predictable grip. The knobs have the ability to grasp obstacles which translates to keeping you on the intended line.
The graphene and 4C compound translates to better durability and the need to change your tires out less. We have all seen the Maxxis side knobs hit that point after a couple weeks where they begin to peel off. That will not happen with Vittoria's 4C/graphene combo, but instead they will slowly decay over a noticeably longer amount of time. To anyone debating why to spend $69 on a Vittoria versus similar offerings, this fact about the longevity and durability should be justification enough as this tire will last you longer than it's competitors, thereby saving you money. I have raced this compound for 5 weeks in the rear and over 2 months in the front without compromising traction.

For all those so passionately opposed, I challenge you to ride one.
  • 18 4
 I definitely prefer vittoria over maxxis any day. My favorite tire maker so far.
  • 5 6
 @thebigheezy I knew there was a reason I've been off pinkbike for a while... your first line nailed it!
  • 3 6
 @projectnortheast: " Ah, new product releases are my favorite."


Weird.
  • 7 1
 I've had the Martello's on my trail bike for a while now and I'd say I'm a Vittoria convert now
  • 1 0
 Where are Canadian's buying these? I'm in need of a new front tire and I've called around to a couple of different local
shops and no one carries them yet. Apparently, it's the same supplier for almost all of Canada. Mazza isn't listed as an option in their order systems yet... Went to Vittoria's website to order direct but they don't seem to want to ship to Canada... Anyone got any ideas on how to get one???
  • 2 0
 @jaymac10: Outdoor Gear Canada is the Canadian supplier. If you go to their website it should show you shops that they supply, although because it's a new tire it may not be available quite yet
  • 6 0
 I love my Vittoria tires and as far as I'm concerned, my 2.6 Martello front combined with my 2.35 Agarro are in a class of their own, far superior to all the competitors that I have tried, and I've tried many.

If I had one complaint it would be that in shake. loose material the Martello can let go sooner than I'd like. In every other regard the Martello is phenomenal.

How does the Mazza compare to the Martello in regards to RR, hard pack traction, loose rock traction, dust on hard pack, etc...?
  • 5 0
 @thebigheezy I regret trying Maxxis tires again after only 2 rides... Vittoria tread wear is clearly in a league of it's own. The cornering is also much better than the DHF.
  • 1 4
 Not you intended point but the Ranger and Tacoma look nothing alike, I could tell them apart from 1-1000 feet away, from any angle. This tire and the DHF on the other hand....
  • 6 0
 @mgs781HD: My mom couldn't tell the difference between this tire and a Walmart 24" tire, so you're not saying much.

Tires are always an incremental improvement. There's not much of a difference in looks between a WTB Velociraptor Rear and a Maxxis DHR2, but there's a big difference in performance. They mention several of the differences between this tire and a DHF in the article, and it's pretty visible if you know what to look for. Not to mention, Vittoria has a way better casing and rubber. But if you just want to get hung up on some generic similarities between the Mazza and a DHF, feel free...
  • 1 0
 Mota is the best front tire I've ever had for winter use. Good traction in summer also but a little slower than others.
  • 24 0
 @mikekazimer I think it could be an interesting "field test" like segment if you guys did a comparison of all the "looks like a DHF/DHR2" tires hitting the market. Rolling resistance, puncture resistance, actual weights, actual widths, wear, cornering grip feel, braking traction, maybe some timed tests to more objectively quantify things - all against DHF/DHR2 base. There are a host of tires now that all have similar designs (albeit claim to be different/better in their own right):

Kenda Pinner
Versus new tire
Vittoria Mazza
Bontrager XR/SE5
Specialized Butcher
eThirteen
...etc

Could be informative! Also - I am sure the comment section would be lit Smile
  • 2 0
 Yes!
  • 2 1
 I love my specialized tires, add them to the mix too.
  • 1 0
 @Snowrydr01: Got them in there! I am actually on Spesh right now as well. Pleasantly surprised by the Butcher (2.3) and eliminator in grid trail. Other than sidewall sealant leakage..
  • 4 0
 This. We're in ????

(While we're sure our tire would do well, watching the comments section explode would be hilarious)
  • 7 0
 Blind “Sharpie” test.
Mike and Mike do timed laps, same bike / wheels, only variable is the treads, and they are blind with no bias. Someone at the bottom pulls the wheels, collects there times and notes and they’re shuttled back to the top.
  • 18 2
 I've had these for over a month now. I have found that they definitely roll faster than the Michelins or Maxxis DHF and don't have that weird cornering void feeling of the DHF. The same guy designed the DHF 20 (20!) years ago. Ride these and it will be obvious to you that he's learned a few things over the past too decades. This tire is NOT a DHF. I don't like the DHF, but I love these.
  • 10 2
 *two* decades ugh. Pinkbike, we need an edit button.
  • 7 2
 What if you love the DHF tho?
  • 6 3
 @Trouterspace: then maybe you'll love this even more...
  • 3 9
flag 8088yl0n (Jun 15, 2020 at 8:42) (Below Threshold)
 @thegoodflow: It doesn't matter how much I am able to love it is about the love I'd have to leave, and it's Scwalbe for me.
When I was a poor (bmx) kid back in the 90's I wished for new tyres, war and all... my bmx never got them.
I've just got two 26" Rock Razors... see where I'm coming from?
Vittoria is for the new kids.
  • 16 1
 @8088yl0n: no, sorry, I don't see where you're coming from
  • 1 1
 @Trouterspace: people love their bikes and mx bikes from the year 2000 (and rightly so), but it doesn't mean that improvements can't be made.
  • 3 0
 I like that the reviews seem indicate this tire does better than the DHF in terms of the vague zone - it does look like there is less of channel here. GOOD. That said, if I'm considering a more traction than a DHF or to alleviate the vague zone, it looks like the Assagai is a better option at the same or even lighter weight plenty.
  • 4 1
 @smoothmoose: I had the exact same issue with the DHF and swore-off its clones until this tire came along. Assegai definitely gnarly for pure grip, but everyone I know who has one says it rolls slowly. This thing seems to roll really well. I have set a lot of PRs both up and down on it in the past month. (Also, no, Vittoria doesn't pay me... but they should lol)
  • 2 0
 @smoothmoose: I love the Assegai tread, but I find the rubber and casing options to let it down. If you want the stickiest rubber, you have to go to DH casings which are really really heavy. IMHO Vittoria's rubber and casings are miles better than Maxxis. Maybe Vittoria will rip off the Assegai (with their rubber, casing and tons of siping) next. I'd buy one!
  • 1 0
 @thegoodflow: It's hard for me to switch, tyres are important, I can't risk there, it takes all other risks away in my case and that's no fun.
I could take any bike with MMary/RRazor and feel comfortable,
Put DHF/DHR on my trusty old bike and I'll go cautiously, can't trust my own damn bike man although the tyres are great they feel different.
  • 1 0
 @Drew-O: Yeah - so this is where we differ. For reference I'm about 150# riding weight and I'll say that Maxxis EXO, EXO+, and Bonti XR casings are good for me riding at 15-19psi on 2.6" rubber. While I can see the Vittoria trail casings to be suitable for riders 200#+, when they might need to go DD on Maxxis. I am still very intrigued with Vittoria 4C compound. But my DHF dual compounds are still going strong after 1300 miles.
  • 1 0
 @smoothmoose: seems like a tire with the intermediate blocks might be what you're looking for. Vittoria Martello, Assegai (as you mentioned), Magic Mary kinda has em, Kenda Hellcat. I'm sure people can name others. I find I like an intermediate block tire up front and a tire with a big channel out back.
  • 1 0
 @smoothmoose: Fair enough, to each their own; you lost me at "dual compound". I'm in the PNW so traction on wet roots and rocks tends to be a limiter for many of our trails. Success there is all about quality rubber and supple non-bouncy casing. Both areas where I think Vittoria blows Maxxis away!
  • 1 0
 @ksilvey10: you can get double down maxx grips probably an exo + you wouldn’t want to go lighter than that.
The DHF is a very specialized tyre. It’s designed to work on hard surfaces or fast trails. Most people treat them like a do it all tyre and that’s why they don’t get on with them. For fast, firm trails that don’t require a lot of braking DHF’s are king.
  • 1 0
 @Drew-O: I agree the dual compound doesn't do well on the 5 days that it's wet in California! 3C MaxxGrip typically wears down pretty fast here. 3C MaxxTerra is a good sweetspot, which I like on my XC tires. I really like to go Vittoria - just can't get over the extra weight in the casing - I really don't need it.
  • 20 2
 Wait until the PB comment section discovers that Maxxis based their DHF tread pattern off an old Panaracer tire...
  • 4 0
 Which one?
  • 13 0
 @Warburrito: dart up the front and smoke for the rear
  • 2 4
 based on, not nearly identical.
  • 7 11
flag projectnortheast (Jun 15, 2020 at 8:15) (Below Threshold)
 Coincidence the leader of product design at maxxis now is VP of marketing and product for Vittoria? PB comment section heads explode... haha
  • 7 8
 Also, @vittoria tire designer designed the DHF... so... maybe that should tell you something
  • 21 9
 Looks like a session
  • 1 0
 Actually, if you look at the linkage, you'll see that it's a a VPP, making it a Santa Cruz V10
  • 2 0
 Ahhh I knew it reminded me of something!!
  • 12 2
 Except the sideblocks look nothing like a DHF.
  • 6 0
 Neither do the centers if you look closely. They definitely don't ride like DHFs either, and I mean that in the best way.
  • 5 6
 They don't fold under pressure like a DHF... the knobs are quite a bit stiffer, but the siping offers some serious grip
  • 1 0
 Somehow makes me remember the Nokian Gazzalodi.
  • 6 0
 Pleas explain the Cons: "Can get overwhelmed in extra muddy conditions" ... maybe bring an example of what tire doesn't? I run DHRII and it does get overwhelmed in extra muddy conditions too.

PS: I love that Vittoria uses Italian names for some of their tires. My favorite still remains the Barzo, which basically means "boner" lol
  • 4 0
 Yeah, doesn’t seem like a con, just seems like the reality of a non mud specific tyre. I mean if you were reviewing a mud specific tyre you wouldn’t say bad handling on hard pack as a con.
  • 3 0
 I currently run
Front: Maxxis DHF 3c 2.6WT (it's too wide/too much volume honestly)
Rear: Maxxis Aggressor 2.4 DD (wish it had a little more grip)

What Vittoria combo should I run?
Front: 2.6 Mazza trail?
Rear: 2.4 Mazza enduro?

All these model names are confusing as hell
  • 4 1
 The agarro seems most comparable to the aggressor, fwiw
  • 2 0
 I would just 2.4 it on both ends. It seems like a 2.5 Maxxis or WTB on a 30mm rim. Plenty wide I think.
  • 1 0
 @ksilvey10:

Alright, if I switch it looks a good combo would be:

Front: 2.4 Mazza trail
Rear: 2.35 Martello enduro
  • 1 0
 @Paddock22: something else you need to consider is that the trail casing has grey sidewall while the enduro is all black. Might look a bit odd if you're concerned with looks
  • 4 0
 @Paddock22:

2.6 Mazza trail front (its casing is far more precise steering than the fluffy feeling Maxxis 2.6) and
2.6 Agarro rear (only comes in trail casing so if you run inserts its indestructible or if you are concerned and dont run inserts then try the Mazza 2.35 Enduro Casing )

The Vittoria Trail casing is equivalent to a Maxxis Exo+ casing in terms of strength.
They use an insert at the bead of the trail casing which stiffens the sidewall nicely for terrific feel and precision.

Compared to a 2.3 Agressor (have not tested a 2.4?) the Agarro is much faster rolling, grips much better especially in wet/wet rock/wet root conditions and is much much stronger.

I have not run a Martello out back but as a front tyre in 2.6 Trail casing its more precise than my Exo+ Assegai MaxxTerra 2.5 in the dry and wet but does not have that insane loose condition grip of the Assegai.
It rolls much much better on soft conditions/ rock than the tank feeling Assegai.

Given that the Mazza is a 'bigger brother' to the Martello the Mazza should be a sublime loose condition and all round tyre. Can't wait to try it
  • 5 0
 @mikekazimer Does it have the same "drift" zone between the centre and side knobs as the DHF?
  • 2 0
 At least its a predictable "drift", lol
  • 2 0
 Nope. The gap and siping seems to be close enough (on the 2.4 at least) that i can't feel it, and that is with me *trying* to feel it
  • 1 0
 @ksilvey10: I certainly feel it on the 2.5 DHF and don't overly like it. I wish Maxxis would release a MG Assegai in lighter casings.
  • 4 0
 So how is the outright grip while cornering?
It feels different than a Michelin Wild Enduro, but does this mean there's less grip?
  • 6 1
 I can’t wait to get one of these for the front and get an Agarro for the rear.
  • 1 0
 heck yeah!
  • 5 0
 Agarro f/r is fantastic for me.
  • 7 0
 I f*cking LOVE the Aggaro on the rear. I am going to toss a 2.4 Mazza on the front and call it a day!
  • 1 0
 @conoat: how's your riding and local conditions to love the Agarro in the rear that much? I'm loving my actual Goma but it's been discontinued and I think I'm gonna stick to Vittoria for next ones.
  • 2 0
 That's been my go-to combo for the past couple of months. Big fan.
  • 1 0
 @angryasian:

I currently run a 2.5 DHF / 2.5 Aggressor on my Ripmo, happy with it but like trying different stuff.

Ride 50% Right Foot Ridge / 50% Boulder Ranch's (Walker, White, Hall, Heil)

2.5 Assegai / 2.4 Dissesctor, or 2.6 Mazza / 2.6 Aggaro?

I'm gonna do whatever you say.
  • 4 0
 So @mikekazimer, are these your "favorite tires" as mentioned on the PB podcast a few weeks ago, which you couldn't name due to embargo? Or are those yet to come?
  • 5 0
 @Drew-O, hah, someone was paying attention. Nope, my current favorite tire has yet to be released.
  • 1 2
 @mikekazimer: so, when is Michelin releasing the new e22?
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: Right on. BATED BREATH over here!
  • 6 5
 Vittoria, you need to fix your sizing. I'm not going to buy a 2.6 65mm ETRTO tire that measures 2.4". This is heavy AND small. I can do heavy and true to size. I can do light and undersized. I'm not doing both for a $70 tire, and I'll return it for a refund just like I did my Agarro and Martello 2.6. I thought you had a fancy facility where you could control all this? You're making it hard to be a fanboi.
  • 3 2
 What is the ID of the rim you are running? for a 2.6 it should be around 35mm.
Every Vittoria Geax tire I have had, it has been true to size. More than any other brands. If anything they are a little larger.
  • 39 4
 @RedRedRe: can everyone stop saying ID when referring to inner WIDTH? Diameter is not width.
  • 16 6
 @thegoodflow: Internal Dimension.
  • 1 0
 @RedRedRe: The tread profile looks perfect on Kazimer's 30mm rim. I wouldn't go wider.
  • 5 3
 @zerort: ....is a term that didn't exist until you used it, right now.
  • 2 2
 dumbest part of this review! mount a 2.4 and 2.6 to the same wheel and then complain that the bigger tire measured smaller than advertised! a bit like buying a quart of milk and then pouring it in a pint glass and complaining you now only have 16oz of milk.
  • 1 0
 @conoat:
Not disagreeing. But it is worth noting the 2.6 appears to fit the 30mm IW rim. The 2.4 looks pretty squared-off.
  • 2 1
 @aquanut: that's what I was thinking. I think maybe they're both undersized and the 2.4 might be better suited to an i25 rim
  • 1 1
 the vittoria 2.4 tires are le largest 2.4 bar none. Can not compare a 2.4 and 2.6 on the same rim iD if the 2.6 was made for larger rims.
  • 4 1
 @RedRedRe: uh, largest 2.4 bar none, except a 2.35 magic Mary?
  • 4 3
 @conoat: I work in the packaging industry and ID is the industry-standard acronym for Inside Dimension. A lot more people have heard of Inside Diameter, but that's not the only true meaning for that acronym
  • 2 0
 @RedRedRe: but was it made for a wider rim? The 2.6 profile looks correct on a 30mm IW, the 2.4 does not. It looks flat and better suited for a 25-28 rim (granted I'm basing that just a couple of pictures of a single tire). It may have a large volume, but that doesn't mean the tread sits properly when mounted on a wide rim.
  • 2 0
 Pretty much all the Manufacturers are unreliable given there are no Standards that define tyre sizing.

There are so many variables - internal rim dimension for example.
If you run say Ibis rims with 40mm internal your casing measurements will definitely be bigger. If you are a traditional Euro on 25mm internal then your casings will run smaller.

Furthermore some examples: MSC tyres sidewalls say 2.3 and 2.4 but their casings measure 2.5" and 2.6" !

Maxxis and Conti almost ALWAYS run undersize comparing actual casing width to sidewall sizes stated

Schwalbe tend to be consistent with their casings generally reflecting sizewall values but sometimes they run bigger depending on what rim you use.

Its annoying but dont point the finger at Vittoria. They are just another manufacturer using their own definitions
  • 1 1
 @aquanut: I have had several vittoria 2.4 on 30 rim. It is not squared at all.
I would assume that eveybody knows not to run a tire bigger than 2.4 on a 30 ID rim.
  • 1 1
 @professed: There is a standard to define mtb tyre size since the 80's. The problem is inconsistency in production. Consistency is expensive.

Also, tubeless rim walls are not all the same. Some taller, some shorter etc... This will affect the tire profile and size.
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 @thegoodflow: this. I realized I was even doing that. It's width. Freaking width! lol
  • 5 1
 Wait did the pinkbike comment council decide on whether or not graphene will give us cancer or not
  • 4 0
 I thought the thru-hiker council was deciding that
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 what i really want to know is how long has Mike had that vernier and has he had to return it yet for being defective. mine is only 2 months old and it's already gone wonky. low cost, works great, when it does, but lots go back on warranty i've heard. it's probably half the price (or less) than a machine shop grade version though...
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 These look like DHR II (My favorite) or maybe DHF??? Either way I have always loved Vittorias rubber compound, but not super keen on some of their tread patterns. The Goma was pretty good, but I don't think they make that one anymore. Regardless probably giving these a shot.
  • 1 0
 And here I was thinking of going to a Rock Razor Rear and Hans Dampf Front for a mixture of conditions including sealed roads I ride to get to trails. Not sure where I'd pick up something like this Mazza for the Front and Agarro for the rear here in Finland though. Interesting.
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 maybe i got duds from backcountry.com but the moto and aggaro i just returned were pathetically narrow and impossible to mount on my e13 rims. i went to a shop and got a specialized butcher up front and eliminator in the rear and couldn’t be happier. just for reference i used to run a Magic Mary upfront and hans dampf in the rear but they are so expensive in 29er (coming off a 26er). I haven’t ridden Maxxis tires since the early 2000s and my new bike came with them and I couldn’t wait for them to wear out which they did rather quickly to replace them.
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 Kinda weird timing for these new tires. Should have released them in spring, as they've been spotted already last summer. Was originally waiting for these, but they didn't release in time, so I got some Michelin DH34 tires instead. Had very good experiences with both Michelin and Vittoria, so I think I'll be happy either way.
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 I often replace my tires with what is in the the recycle bin at my local store. Often there are near new tires in there. I have to say I'm impressed with both the Butcher Grid 2.3 and DHF 2.5 in MaxxGrip 3C. As soon as someone gets rid of one of these and places it in the recycle bin I'll report back.
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 At some point, somebody is going to have to explain to Kaz what graphene actually is, and why 90% of the press materials that include the word are mostly bullcrap.
There are specific reasons why incorporating a mess of random fullerines and amorphous graphite into a rubber compound can improve the deformation and traction characteristics, but everything mentioned in here is broadly inaccurate.
  • 20 0
 I'm all ears - the two lines that I spend explaining it are based on Vittoria's information, and some quick internet research to make sure I wasn't totally off base. Chemistry wasn't my best subject, so I'd love to hear a little more.
  • 14 0
 @tehllama sounds like you just volunteered. Drop some knowledge on us.
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 Yeah enlighten us. I have a fancy science degree, and I know what graphene is chemically, but exactly how and why it's supposed to be magic in tires is a mystery to me. The idea of mixing tiny particles of something gritty into tire rubber makes sense to improve grip and wear. I believe this is what Conti does with their Black Chili, and I've always assumed Vittoria is doing something similar.
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 @mikekazimer: your pun was not missed.
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 @Drew-O: Years ago I was told (by a Conti rep) that Black Chilli durability had a lot to do with the way the rubber was “milled” - apparently the tire companies use tiny rubber pellets that are placed into the molds. These pellets can leave tiny air pockets as the tire is made, which creates voids and can lead to tears in the tire knobs. Conti has a way to refine their rubber blends down further and create a kind of talc-like powder for their Black Chilli tires (the fine powder being more resistant to the formation of voids inside the tread) giving better durability.
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 @Corinthian: Interesting, did not know that about Black Chili. Conti's website says something about using "soot particles" in the mix, which sounds like it might be functionally similar to putting graphene in there. I also realize Black Chili is just branding for "our best compound" and it's different depending on the tire and application, i.e. road BC is very different from DH BC. Der Barons are some of the grippiest tires on wet roots and rocks that I've tried though, so whatever they're doing I like it!
  • 1 0
 @Drew-O: yeah it's those soot sprites that Hayao Miyazaki keeps going on about - those little buggers really know how to make a rubber compound sing! To-tor-o...
  • 3 0
 I bet Mazza and Mezzer would be a nice pair..
  • 6 1
 Would look great on the roof of my Mazda.
  • 2 1
 When you measure the width can you please do it using the flats of the calliper across the tread pattern and not between the treads, apologies but my ocd can’t handle it
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 Personally, I'd rather know the casing volume, but at least be explicit about it how it's measured.
  • 4 1
 Ya I want the casing width too, not tread width.
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 Martello Trail 29x2.4 is a great rear tyre, I've just put a Wild Enduro on the front and love that but I will definetely be looking at Vittoria tyres in future.
  • 1 0
 It's not mentioned anywhere in the review, but the trail casing has grey sidewalls while the enduro is all black. Just in case anyone is considering mixing & matching
  • 1 1
 I won't be giving these a try. I whole heartedly gave three different tyres a run on my reign and had a lot of issues. I was excited to try something other than maxis for a while... but I guess if it ain't broke...
  • 2 0
 Those Minianzas look nice.
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 They already have the Morsa that looks very similar to the Mazza.

So is this replacing the Morsa? Or can someone give an idea of what the difference in the two are?
  • 2 0
 no, it's completely different. The morsa is a trail tire at best IMO
  • 5 0
 The Mazza might look similar on paper, but in reality, the Morsa has much lower profile knobs. The Morsa will not perform as well in varied terrain and soil types. Personally, I feel the Morsa would be best in dry, fast rolling, low angle or machine build bike park riding, where as the Mazza performs much better in more aggressive terrain where you want the larger lugged and siped knobs to really grasp obstacles and dig into the dirt on a steep bit to provide better braking strength.
  • 3 0
 Haven't ridden the Mazza, but I'd say the Morsa is more similar to a High Roller 2 than a DHF.
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 @chachmonkey: Have ridden all, can confirm. Morsa is very similar to high roller. Mazza is similar to DHF.
  • 1 0
 I'm newly on the morsa up front. Definitely more of a lower, fast roller center knob, combined with full cornering knob. Not quite semi slick, but trending that way. Coming from a DHR, I was looking for a fast rolling, decently grippy tyre for our hardpack to sandy loose trails. Half dozen rides and no complaints, but not enough time and conditions to judge definitively.
  • 1 0
 @thebigheezy: great, thanks for the heads up. Looking at a webpage of pictures its hard to tell sometimes.

Getting unexcited about my nobby nics on loose over hard and looking around for what else is out there.
  • 2 0
 Magic Mary and DHR had a baby.
  • 1 0
 Mx tires and suspension components "look like" they did 20 years ago, too. But the improvements are massive
  • 5 4
 So they have 4 versions of a 2.4 tire? Seems like a lot of overlap.
  • 7 0
 Well the 2.4 comes in 27.5 and 29, but they are both available in our Enduro or Trail casings. Just wanna have our grounds covered Smile
  • 3 3
 @vittoria: haha not exactly what I meant...you have 29x2.38 in light and tough and you have 29x2.46 in light and tough...so 4 versions of 2.4 tires lol
  • 1 0
 Graphene. That's some Nobel Prize stuff there. What isn't it good for?
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 i dont know.. that gap between the center and side knobs are pretty large, i think ill stick to my conti der kaisers
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 No weights for the 27.5s?
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 What the f*ck is up with no-one offering any new tyres in 26” anymore???
I’m sorry but I still love 26” & some of the new tyre designs look fantastic (I’m looking @ you Michelin) but are in 27.5 and/or 29” only!
  • 2 0
 Too small of a market I guess. And them not offering it in 26 shrinks the market even more.
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 It costs a lot to build the molds. I imagine it's just not worth the investment to produce a 26" mold for every new design iteration. It's not a conspiracy, if they would sell, they'd make them.
  • 1 0
 1.5kg per tire is a freakin lot.

Whats Vittoria putting in these tires?
  • 1 0
 Carbon, bro.
  • 7 7
 if you cant beat 'em... you know
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 Copy ‘em?
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 @tobiusmaximum: design both and make improvements after 20 years of developing tires?
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 It’s exactly the same, only different..
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 Let me demo one first .
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 I want 2.25” tires!! That’s the clearance limit for my old-ish rig.
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 These DHF look alike will go perfect on my look alike Session.
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