Giro Havoc Fit:
The Giro Havoc pant is pointed at the rider who plans to race and ride in cold temps and variable conditions. This relaxed fit pant is built from the same Bluesign approved 4-way stretch "durablend" fabric as Giro's Havoc shorts. It has a DWR coating to help keep you dry, strategically placed laser cut venting behind the knees, a gusseted crotch, three pockets, and external waist tab adjusters.
Giro Havoc Pant
• Closure type: Two Buttons with velcro and a zipper
• Colors: Black
• Sizes: 30-40 in 2" increments (tested 32)
• MSRP: $170 USD
• Weight: 296 grams (actual)
• Inseam: 31.5
I tested this pant in a size 32, which was pretty spot on: not too snug anywhere, and maybe a hair baggy feeling in the thigh, but otherwise good. Knee pad room is on point and the waist adjusters, though nothing new, work for tailoring the fit to each individual's taste. It's worth noting that the Havoc Pant also has belt loops, so if you need extra "pantsing" security from your derelict friends or the rear wheel of your 29er in the steeps, Giro has your back. The Havoc Pants have an open hand pocket on either side of the waist with a third, zippered pocket on the right thigh. This thigh pocket works OK for phone storage, but I found that once stowed a phone sits awkwardly in it, and that the pocket tends to turn inside out when I retrieved it. The gusseted crotch allows for full singletrack ninja moves without fear of blowing a seam, and the taper at the cuff prevents unhappy chain/cuff interactions. Testing:
This pant got abused on a warm (60ºF / 15ºC) and incredibly sloppy wet night ride as well as a crisp, clear day (45ºF / 7ºC) where I buried myself trying to keep pace with a lightning quick, twenty-five year old shredder. On the night ride, I found the pants to be super well vented. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that although this pant is designed for cool to cold weather, it breathes well enough that it's not a bad choice for warmer weather riding either. In fact, the venting is so good that on the colder ride I could feel a distinct temperature gradient between my shins and my calves from the cold air coming in the back. There is a downside to this awesome breathability: water accessibility. The vent holes pretty much feed puddle splashes and spray from the rear wheel right into the pants. Yes, they are DWR coated, but you're not staying very dry in these if it's soggy on the trails. Comfort wise, this pant is pretty damn good, though, and ideal for pedaling in crisp to cold conditions. Just not in the wet.
Details of the Giro Havoc Pant.
Very well ventilated+
Extremely quiet material, even when wearing kneepads+
Great for all around mountain biking
External side adjuster doesn't play well with hip pack strap-
Phone pocket is meh-
DWR wets out quickly
BTW, love to see a review of 7Mesh Thunderpant, can't be hard to grab a pair from down the street in Squam, @pinkbike! Of course they're probably sold out...
Are they the most resistent thing in the world? No. Are they wortht the prize? yes.
This is #1 benefit to me. I hate sliding my knee pads down over wet muddy shins
Last year I bought Giro ones, they are very light. No problem with normal enduro kneepads. You wont even notice you are wearing them. They breath well and they just overall feel comfy for me.
I find myself wearing them more often than I thought I would.
I used to ride shorts all year round also....ah well maybe its the age
Let the jewels be free!
Good that you ask. This is an international forum.
Pants, trousers? Same criteria as wings bonnets and boots for cars.
France, Germany and other cultures have localized terms for garments car parts, and food and drink.
Your English is the Americanized version of the foundation of your language.
You speak English, not American, if you follow what conservative policies offer. Spain France and England are much, much older than America , maybe you should be speaking Mexican instead of...?
The rest of the population of this planet recognizes this.
I guess your education has been localized also.
What is your interpretation of the origin of Gouda cheese? Is it similar to Freedom Fries?
Arrogance is not an asset.
'Seems as though you did not understand the joke, (the joke), the joke.
I will explain:
If all of the Americas (North, South, and Central) had been held as Spanish territories then with your view of language there would be Mexicans speaking Mexican instead of...(the joke), and Americans today would speak American, not English.
Hopefully, that clears things up.
By the time you got socks, knee pads and shorts on, its only your shin and calf exposed, and once this is caked in mud its not even that!
Have a few pairs myself - i think i had an allergy to something on the trails that was causing a reaction on my legs. The compression socks (Nike, relatively cheap) went up to my knees so i had full coverage with shorts (and moreso with kneepads too).
Don't need to cut them up either.
Or, I just thought of this, maybe some cheaper options exist, and... PB WHY WONT YOU REVIEW THEM?!?!?! Y’all making TLD look like pauper pants, The Least Dinero... budget.
Yea fair play, my point was if you don’t like the price there are alternatives ;-)
Amazing trousers, good price (relatively speaking) but out of stock
Hiking / climbing / commuting pants will work as long as they are not cotton at all, and the cut - esp. at the lower leg - is tapered enough. Sierra and SteepandCheap have all sorts of closeouts that would be candidates.
Please make trousers/pants available with different leg length options.
As an example, Fox size large waist (34") has a measly 80cm (31.5in) inseam, which is mental! The XXXL 40" waist still only has an 83cm inseam...
Maybe sell ' trouser extenders ', could have some velcro on the ankle and a strip of material with velcro on that you can just stick on the bottom ?
6ft4/80kg here. If I ever find biking pants that fit me well I might get some, otherwise shorts are fine to about 0 degrees C and any colder than that means it's ski season.
Ion makes a "long" version in a lot of their shorts by the way. But their Shelter pant is like an exaggerated version of a bad fit if you're tall and skinny.
Seemingly the mindset of nearly every MTB apparel producer out there.
These are a great option, they're available in short, regular or long leg. Added bonus is you don't need a second mortgage to buy them either.
I've been riding in them this winter and they're the best fitting riding trousers I've ever owned.
No personal experience, just did research recently.
You're so right about MTB jackets, but that extra flap does make all the difference. It's looks stupid as hell while hiking, but it's awesome while riding unless you like to moon your fellow rider and feel a light breeze on your low back and bottom.
MTB-gear sizing is really ridiculous for tall people. With jeans I wear a 33-34W 36L and in my ~20years of biking I've never seen mtb pants that come even close to fitting. There are a lot of hiking companies putting out separate tall and short sizes, but in the world of MTB this seems to be an alien concept.
Even more ridiculous that pants (and arms on jackets for that matter) hardly get any longer on bigger sizes, but everything becomes comically wide on XL+
I have the MT500 II Waterproof Trousers and also just got the MT500 Burner Pant II both in size small. I've just gone and measured the inseam of the Burners and it's 32" dead. I have a 32"/33" waist and wear a 33" inseam jean normally and those Burners fit me perfectly.
I've been wearing the Burners all winter and they've been perfect for me; stretch where you'd want, don't catch, good size pockets, adjustable. Very much recommended.
At least I no longer look like I've had a growth spurt at 40+ years old and grown out of my downhill pants...!
the perils of being tall eh!
I am 1,96m and 112 KG (6'5" and 245) and the XXL fit perfectly, the XXXL are too wide and maybe even a tad too long for me. Tight ankles, wide knees, light fabric, comfy fit ... and they can stand a lot of abuse at a reasonable price (99.- Euro here)
Only downside is a very limited choice of colors: midnight-blue or beige-grey - no orange, no light-blue, nothing flashy.
Just learned of this yesterday - check out dirtyridesmtbapparel.com - custom made / fit stuff you can have made exactly to your measurements for pants, shorts, jerseys (incl prints too I think) so I'm def thinking of a bulk order for this midsummer for fall. They have a 5-6 week turnaround time.
Oh damn, totally forgot - last winter I used Kuhl Rock Renegades w/ pads underneath, but while these fit me perfectly at 32 / 34 waist / inseam (I'm 6'5'') - with pads underneath the calf-sections will jack up a tad & flood (which just doesn't feel good) . I should've gone w/ 32 / 36 (which they have right now online, $90). So - these could poss work for you - I would just add 2'' to the inseam on an order to be sure pads work under them (ie better grip vs. over pants which can slide off).
I'm normally a 32 waist / 34 inseam and the 36 inseam fits perfectly. I'm not totally sure yr Daggers would fit under the pants - maybe if you order 2-3'' longer than your normal inseam, but my IXS Carves fit nicely (they are just slightly less bulky than Daggers) but you can possibly see if there's a way to add an extra 1/2'' or 1'' of material in the knee area since they don't do refunds.
Anyway - I effin' loved the pants immediately and plan to ride for cool & cold weather no question. I would easily order another pair of these. They seem to offer two styles of pant - a lighter & heavier duty. I got the heavier duty since I want them more for cold weather than summer - links below
I'm 6'2", with a 30" waist and a 34" inside leg. Don't think I've seen a set of trousers that are even close to being long enough unless I'm ordering a 38" waist...
What are my other tall and thin brethren using? Shorts?
Ive found the Troylees work pretty well, I bought the 34"s and wear them on my hips with the Velcro waistband pulled all the way in. Dont suffer from ankle swinger syndrome, enough pocket space for iphone and car keys, relatively cool in the summer and warm/dry enough in the winter when you are warmed up.
Edit: I bought the 'Nordwand' Zip-Off's, and having just had a look there are some more waterproof options on their site as well. I bought Medium size, and have a 32/33" waist
Yes man they must be excellent trousers, mostly for outdoors activities, Joe Robinet wears them, they are similar to Fjullraven!
Do you realize how stupid clown flood pants look?
PS, as per my comments above, I'm 6'1" with a 1 inch shorter inseam and a similar build. The size small Endura trousers fit me well and have a lot of adjustment in the waist, they'd easily cinch to a 30" waist without making you look like a carrot.
Thank you all. It's nice to know I'm not the only skinny tall mountain biker struggling.
So maybe the companies are late to the party like @Woody25 suggested.
I just ordered a 32/36 (tho I'm 32/34) w/ the 36 length being to make up for pads & the massive flooding pants will do w/ pads under them. Won't arrive til mid or late Aug tho. @bigburd posted above that they ordered some which arrived, but felt the knees area was too tight. I dunno what kinda pad bigburd is using, but it may be that a thinner pad will work better and ya have to move up 1-2 inches of inseam to make up for pad stretch
Please do let me know how you get on. COVID has stunted my ability to cycle - and therefore my requirement for trousers over winter - but I'll hopefully be in the market again later this year.
Hating to hear you're not able to ride. I'm spoiled where I am, living right next to the national forest with several 100 square miles of roads & trails I can just ride to, or any trails anywhere in the region. I guess the UK is a bit tighter about stuff like that. Here's to getting back out there my man!
I hope they serve you well.
No wonder you chose a 5 foot 9 tester!!
Plenty of road brands sell shorts/ tights in a longer leg length for taller riders, would be great to see some mtb brands step up and cater for the 50% of people above the average height on the bell curve.
My riding pants are Eddie Bauer. $20 from Costco.
They're decent and probably a damn sight better than most of the mtb fashion brand race pants for trail riding, but id love to see something with a waterproof arse/lower leg for the inevitable uk winter/summer puddle splashes like some of the endura offerings have but in a decent length.
Not cheap but way less costly that that something that doesn't fit that one might feel inclined to just wear anyway - and they look sharp and not dopey. These are pretty heavy duty actually and not hotter days but I wear shorts then anyway. If yr gonna drop $100 on something, whats $20 more (sorry, no pound sign in my keyboard). Its at least worth a look - I know for sure this'll be my pant goto and I'm already looking to order a 2nd.
@BrambleLee I totally skimmed over that. Poked around and their site has an impact page: www.giro.com/news/ride-recycled.html which is welcome. Patagonia gets lifetime repairs too, so that softens their initial cost.
If you are buying pants sized "s,m,l,xl" you should expect to take them to a tailor and get them fitted. Drop the $15 and get your $500 race kit to fit right.
Eddie Bauer. Prana. Patagonia. Lululemon. Costco. Target. Old Navy. All places you can get hiking/golf pants for as low as $20. Poly/spandex or nylon/spandex fabric mix is all you need.
If you are unfamilar, sewing snap kits don't need to be sewn in... they can press thru the fabric. Very easy to install once you know how - tho those kits that have the little tool included are helpful.
If you get stuck, DM me here and I'll get you a picture and you'll grok it 100% instantly.
PS latest thinking in green circles is that recycling plastic bottles into fabric is dumb - you're taking a food grade, mono material, you're turning it into lots of tiny strands, which are then mixed with dyes etc. And then every time you wash them, you release 1000s of microplastics into the water cycle.
I bought the Dakine Thrillium on sale for $136 & really love it down to 25 deg. F. Fits great. I have had issue with the fit of Fox and TLD pants before- too damn short in waist to crotch, def. giving me man-toe.
Anybody having some recommendation?
I also picked up a pair of the NF DP3, and they're mind-blowingly good. They fit perfect, breathe great, are comfy as could be.
Those Patagonia pants didn't hold up for Cam MacRae over at NSMB. He blew out a butt seam, says the patterning could use some work.
I don't think they've changed them substantially in several years.
Different colors and logo sizes/locations is about all I've seen.
And Yes, they're great riding pants.
A lot of times you can find an LBS with on-line shopping that has things that the main Specialized website says they're out of. Just pick your size, hit the button and put in your Zip Code.
Could get 3 pairs in different colors for the price of one of these minus the tld...these also fit over full size knee pads and can also be worn before or after the riding as casuals. Not to knock the actual riding pants but geez hefty price for logos all over...
awesome pants, can usually get in store for less than $25
Their activewear t-shirts are great jerseys too for $20.
I think for that I'll stick to $50 goretex rainpants I can throw on over my shorts, but it's kind of a bummer there isn't a better solution than that.
I started with these www.jensonusa.com/Fly-Racing-Kinetic-Noiz-Pants-2019 and then picked up a bottle of RIT synthetic fiber dye in "graphite" www.joann.com/rit-7-fl.-oz-dyemore-synthetic-fiber-dye/zprd_14669410a.html?dwvar_zprd__14669410a_variationAttribute=14669493&quantity=1, at the end of the day it all cost just over $50 w/ shipping, taxes, etc.
Follow the instructions on the RIT dye and to get them darker you soak them in the hot water/dye longer. I only did about 30-45 minutes, so I could've gone longer and gotten them darker, probably could just leave them in the water overnight as it cooled, since you do have to basically boil them (my kids thought it was hilarious that I was boiling my pants). I might pick up another bottle and run them through the process again to get them darker but they're so much better now than when they were new and extremely obnoxious and loud.
In the UK, you can pick up mtb trousers from decathlon for £40 and they're as good as anything unless you start spending mega money
Save your money.
So hard to find a decent mtb pants that fits bigger rider with knee pads, are durable, has belt loops. Those ratchet, velcro, stickkers and all are no good for waist adjust I WANT BELT.
Also, am I the only one that avoids riding with tools/valuables in my pockets? Riding in the wet/snow = inevitable wreck at some point. I don't need a massive contusion from a multi tool in my pocket or buying a new phone from landing on it.
For fk sake people stop being so gullible . put on any thing that is comfortable and RIDE.
6'4" / 235 lbs and I wear a 34 x 36" pant, but I'm probably closer to a 35" inseam. These pants work well, but the fit is messed up.
According to their size chart, I should be a L waist, but I had to go to an XL in order to fit my quads. (Which are bigger than normal, but not THAT big.) As a result, I have to cinch the waist in as far as possible, and I look like I'm wearing a full diaper when I'm not on the bike. Waist adjustments and pulling the pants up - because there are no belt loops - is pretty common during a ride. I'm thinking about going to a tailor and having them add belt loops...
I'd love a waterproof pant that didn't necessitate compromises!!!!
Oh wait there camouflage my bad.
And also not scandalously priced.
Are they sturdy enough for harder riding?
I don't want to buy new pants every time I crash
Buy now before the tax goes back up to 19%.
Lumped together as all together too boring to be of any interest: Dakine, NF, Fox, Giro, and POC
Ion- this is an awesome choice, but only in "green" which honestly its blue
IXS- good, but graphics are too loud
Leatt- too aggressive and equipped with worthless pockets. Good only for maybe a DH racer.
Patagonia- lacks good pocket utility, and way to expensive (living up to its pseudonym PataGucci)
TLD- nice design but hideous colors. Show me a solid other than black and I'd be interested. Or black with some subtle colored accents.
100%- These are awesome pants, but the graphic branding is a bit loud and by golly what a stupid brand name.
Best of the bunch is a toss up between ION and 100%
None of them have a long enough inseam though for most over 5'10" or so. I usually wear 34" inseam at 6'2".