2011 RockShox Vivid Air: First Ride

May 15, 2010
by Mike Levy  
The new RockShox Vivid Air shock has created quite a buzz, but up until now riding impressions have been hard to come by. I spent a good part of my time today charging hard with the new air sprung downhill damper under me and inside you can read my thoughts on the new lightweight DH shock. You'll also find pictures detailing the Vivid Air's internals, including the novel Hot Rod thermoplastic temperature compensating rebound needle.

Read on...
Vivid Air R2C bolted to my Nomad test bike
Vivid Air R2C bolted to my Nomad test bike


Its no longer a secret that RockShox is getting very close to releasing an air sprung version of their proven Vivid coil shock. As downhill racing progresses and the top riders (along with the regular joe's) are looking for lighter and lighter bikes, being able to drop 300-400 grams by replacing their coil sprung dampers with an air version is looking more like it is beginning to be a viable option. While simply bolting on a long stroke air shock may be an easy way to loose some weight, it isn't that simple. Standard air shocks have two distinct disadvantages to their coil spring brethren: higher amounts of friction due to having to deal with more seals, and more importantly, changing spring and damping rates as they heat up over long runs or demanding terrain. The new Vivid Air tackles both of these problems head on.


RockShox Vivid Air R2
RockShox Vivid Air R2


The Vivid Air uses a new Twin Tube Solo Air spring which is exactly as it sounds, two air canisters that share the same duty. Looking at the body of the shock you'll quickly notice the increased size of the air canister, but what you're actually seeing is the outer air chamber. Between the two is an air bleed hole that creates one large chamber. This has two benefits to the performance: firstly it creates a more linear spring rate that is compatible with a wider range of bikes and doesn't suffer from excessive ramp near the end of the stroke, and secondly, the larger volume is better able to cope with high operating temperatures without suffering from excessive spring rate changes as the air heats up. The twin air canisters also add another level of tuning with the ability to use specific shims that take up volume within the outer can which a rider can use to fine tune the spring rate. While this type of technology certainly isn't new to shocks, it is ideal for the Vivid Air's intended use.


The Vivid Air uses two air cans, one within the other, with the ability to fine tune the spring rate by adding or subtracting plastic shims to the space between the two.
The Vivid Air uses two air cans, one within the other, with the ability to fine tune the spring rate by adding or subtracting plastic shims to the space between the two.


What is new though is the Hot Rod damping needle hidden within the shock. To explain how the Hot Rod works, I'll first talk about why it could be a big deal. Even though the average downhill run will be over relatively quickly when compared to the average cross-country loop, the shock on a DH bike will see faster shaft speeds and much higher temperatures during that time. Ever feel your shock after a hard run? It will be quite warm to the touch. As the shock gets hot, the damping oil will warm up as well and get thinner, and therefore it won't provide the same amount of resistance it passes through the damping circuits. RockShox's solution is to change the damping to match the hotter and thinner oil, hopefully resulting in greater consistency throughout a run. They do this by using a small piece of temperature sensitive thermoplastic (with a resin core) that self adjusts as the shock gets hotter. In simple terms, as the shock gets hot the thermoplastic expands and the rebound adjuster needle actually gets longer, therefore providing increased damping. As the temperatures inside the shock lowers, the rod contracts and returns to it's original length. Its a simple idea that took 2.5 years of development time to prime it for production. But does it perform as advertised?


The Hot Rod rebound adjusting needle. The black piece just above the tapered end is thermoplastic and RockShox claims that it expands as the shock heats up during long or difficult runs to compensate for damping fade
The Hot Rod rebound adjusting needle. The black piece just above the tapered end is thermoplastic and RockShox claims that it expands as the shock heats up during long or difficult runs to compensate for damping fade


RockShox Vivid Air details

• Air sprung shock designed for downhill and all-mountain use
• Twin Tube Solo air spring for a supple and linear coil feel
• Uses new Hot Rod thermal compensating rebound needle
• Air can/valve can rotate to accommodate different frame designs
• Up to 400 grams lighter than a Vivid Coil shock
• In development for 2.5 years
• Two models: R2C and R2
• Available in five lengths: 9.5" x 3.0", 9.5" x 2.75", 8.75" x 2.75", 8.5" x 2.5", and 7.875" x 2.25"
• MSRP $620 USD


This would be my first ride on the new Vivid Air shock and the boys in Durango lined up a fast and rowdy downhill for me to have a proper go on it. Not only were the speeds quite high, the run was also over ten minutes long. A perfect place to see how well their new Hot Rod equipped air shock would perform. Besides having to set your air pressure for the proper spring rate, all adjustments are the same as the original Vivid coil shock. My Nomad was equipped with the higher end R2C model which means that I dialed in my low speed compression, as well as both the beginning and ending stroke rebound before hitting the trail. Pushing on the seat gently proved that the new Vivid Air is as supple as one could ever hope for. New seals and polished inner air can surfaces help to enhance this feeling. What I was really interested in was how the new shock performed at speed, especially near the end of a long run. I was impressed with how the air shock tackled the fast and rough sections of our test track. To be completely honest, if it had been a blind test I doubt I would have guessed that it was an air sprung shock. In the fast rocky sections I felt none of the harsh spike or very slight delay that other air shocks seem to suffer from at high shaft speeds. The lack of friction within the Vivid Air must surely have played a part in this sensation, or lack of it. After a fast nonstop run the shock felt every bit as composed as it did at the beginning of the run. I could feel that the shock body was quite warm when I put my hand around it after a run, but the rebound speed was the same as at the top of the mountain. Of course the disclaimer is that I'm far from a pro level rider and probably wasn't pushing the Vivid Air anywhere near it's limits, but I was impressed nonetheless. Just like anything else new in a high performance sport, I'll be believer when top level World Cup riders start to use the new shock day in and day out.


The Vivid Air uses the same damper assembly as the coil version
The Vivid Air uses the same damper assembly as the coil version


I only spent half a day charging hard with the Vivid Air under me, but I was impressed with how it performed. Like I said above, if it was a blind test I would have guessed that it was a coil shock. One of the highest praises one can make about their suspension is that it felt invisible, this is exactly how the new shock felt. While built to handle the rigors of a World Cup DH course, I could see a lot of aggressive all-mountain orientated riders reaping the benefits from this technology as well. Light weight with coil sprung performance, just what a lot of us are looking for. Keep in mind that while I'm obviously happy with how it performed, this was only a short test. Look for a long term review down the road with much more in depth impressions.

Stay tuned!


Rockshox.com


154 Comments

  • + 12
 So thats rad, the big deal about this stupid shock was the fact that it was for "long travel DH race applications" and you tested it on a f*cking Nomad?!?! A fox float RP23 on a Nomad works killer when valved and set up properly. Seriously WTF put that ugly ass shock on a 8+ inch travel bike, ride some rough trails and try your write up again. Almost guys
  • + 4
 agreed...lets see it on a 951 or a v10
  • + 5
 or better yet...on a Demo
  • + 9
 I hate to say it but Loaded has a point, Be it he/she hasn't got the capability to use the method of constructive criticism and can only use child like rants! putting this onto a V10 (like the syndicate team are now running) or any other long (8 inch) travel frame would show it in it's true colours and show the real performance.
  • - 18
flag loaded (May 15, 2010 at 23:54) (Below Threshold)
 Welcome to the internet bro, I can have all the child like rants I want, dont like them, dont read them. Oh and btw I was just using common sense in my child like rant! You want some constructive criticism sell your little egg beater car and buy a vivid air so you can tell us all about it in your mature, educated adult way!
  • + 13
 You are not talking this to internet but to people. Have some respect to people themselves and to what they do. Who do you think you are to tell us what is allowed and what is not. You don't impress anyone with your tech talk about valving, especialy that Mike surely rides Nomad much faster than you would ride a v10.

Furthermore That's some first test, they just wanted to share their first experience. Don't expect any bike site to have a Sam Hill reviewing it what you seem to do. You want a real test? Real opinion, go and ask Peaty or Minnaar, you can find their profiles on Facebook. Use your internet diplomacy skills to ask them.

If you have high expectations, make sure you can stand up to them yourself.
  • - 19
flag loaded (May 16, 2010 at 1:44) (Below Threshold)
 Do you know who I am? Again do you know who I am? I will gladly buy you a plane ticket out to San Diego, CA, let you stay with @ my house, take you to my local trails and laugh the whole time as you eat your words. And your boy Mikey will never keep up. Do you know who I am? Seems like my internet diplomacy skills have paid off just fine so far in my life and sorry if you feel differently, i dont care. .Thanks for the fatherly advice by the way, im off to see if my Fox 40 is good for my XC bike, will report back soon.v Ps. sorry I didnt impress you with all my "self proclaimed knowledge," maybe next time or dont be scared and come take a visit and get a lesson or two
  • + 18
 Seriously dude-calm the f*ck down!!!! What's your problem? I agreed with you about the testing on the nomad and not any other type of DH bike!?
If you wish to find little digs about me from checking out my profile your more than welcome but that's just pathetic!
Oh and I'll accept a ticket for a flight to yours. You'll have to book it from Kabul, Afghanistan. I'd like a non-stop flight with a business class seat.
Everyone's a king of their own trails. I personally think you need to have a quiet look at your attitude towards people. Your comments are not being welcomed once you start taking it off the subject of bikes.
  • - 6
flag JamesIDK (May 16, 2010 at 2:16) (Below Threshold)
 just another mouthy "bigger is better" yank. Stick his 500bhp v10 on a track next to an Ariel Atom with the Type R Supercharged engine!! Should be amusing.
  • + 5
 Erm, James, what on earth are you talking about?
  • + 5
 I'm talking about the structural integrity of cotton wool
  • + 4
 Ah thanks for that, I was confused before.
  • + 4
 No worries. Glad to put your mind at rest.
  • + 8
 who is this loaded bloke? sounds like a wanker to me.
  • + 3
 peaty has indeed rode a vivid air on his v-10 testing it out SO GO LOOK FOR IT!!! i believe i saw the review on moredirt.com
  • + 0
 no disrespect, but he looks like that kind of wanker you see often on a German autobahn. You're rollin on 1st lane, and then suddenly you see this old BMW M3 closing up blinking with lights and some guy looking like he drives with displaced scapula shows you two fingers. If you are normal you have no idea what the hell does he want, you show him one finger back. However if you are an idiot like he is, you dig it man! you just dig it! he means: second lane doug! this is where you belong!

You feel relieved then, you knew what he wanted, you are a member of a exclusive club! a club where a sport car is a medicine written on a prescription from a urinologist.

Please loaded, enlighten us! tell us who you are. Release the fury of your ego!
  • - 9
flag loaded (May 16, 2010 at 13:02) (Below Threshold)
 Im the god dammed man, like it or not...pls hate me I love wanking it!
  • + 3
 Hmm. Enjoy blowing your own trumpet + bragging about your M6.......

Small penis without doubt.
  • - 8
flag loaded (May 16, 2010 at 13:26) (Below Threshold)
 No James thats what my lifted diesel truck is for...and for the M6 my wife bought it for me, ask her about my penis. I will also never take it to the track as I dont care. You guys are the ones personally attacking me, calling me your weird Euro names. I thought the original article made no sense so I said something that wasnt positive. Kill me
  • - 3
 And James why are you thinking about my penis?? really weird!
  • + 4
 She told me about your little tinker last night. Euro names? Ahh you mean wanker?? That means you're a jerk off. I think thats what you simple ppl over there call it.
  • + 5
 Its not your penis im thinkin about, its your arse. Call me! xx
  • - 5
flag loaded (May 16, 2010 at 13:37) (Below Threshold)
 James please just promise me you will never come to the United States cause I really dont want you to get any dumber (simple). Keep hating too it will make you feel better, I promise.
  • + 2
 I promise! Its not the usa i hate, its just the small percentage of bell ends there... no names mentioned.....
  • - 7
flag loaded (May 16, 2010 at 13:42) (Below Threshold)
 No you have it all wrong, I have ODI bar ends
  • + 1
 ha ha, forum`s eh, there amazing. Loaded will proberly turn out to be a 12 year old spotty little twat(vagina) with rich parents, who buy their little soldier an all singing and dancing Intense M6.
  • + 0
 Why dont that surprise me
  • + 0
 @ loaded.... they're not bar ends dude.........
  • + 0
 It is really not healthy to be so jealous Matlem. God, you guys who are a touch older get so jealous. Its call working hard and smart, you might get there Sorry to the original poster this got way out of control!
  • + 2
 ha ha loaded(if thats your real name), for an American, you`ve got a sense of humour.
  • + 0
 life is way too short, you have to laugh and have a little fun! The profile name is a perfect example>
  • + 0
 did you just call wales weird loaded?
  • + 3
 See you're advertising www.moredirt.com eh xpiranhax Wink
  • + 3
 no i was hinting where i believe i saw it...and besides...your the one putting an actual link in Wink
  • + 0
 What are you guys even talking about?
  • + 0
 loaded, if you are 'the man', then why does your wife have to BUY you a bike? Shouldn't companies be lined up outside your door throwing factory rigs and sponsorship at you?
  • - 2
 Hey iamamodel your not a model your a dumbass who cant read, my wife suprised me with my car, meaning she "arranged" the delivery. I have paid for everything myself as she doesnt work. Stop being so f*cking jealous Zoolander and improve your own life instead of trying to hate on mine. Sucks to be you
  • + 0
 Guys! Please let's don't make garbage out of that forum. Loaded nobody's jelaous, you are just getting b**d for trying to show us you are better than us while simply you have no idea who we are. If i can't afford a car does it make me worse and jelaous? You won't get far in life with that attitude. Sorry m8 you behave like 12yr old spoiled kid, and further from that age you worse it becomes. And Brits! Whats the point of country vs country b****in? And about his wife, Where do you get with that? You are definitely not taking him off the airwaves, you just make it worse.

Stop spamming my noteboard boyz. Piece among thee who speak the common tongue...
  • - 1
 it's nothing personal, I just care about composure of that forum... and my noteboard Big Grin
  • + 1
 stuff your noteboard...you were not the original poster so you have no say against it.
and what sort of word is "garbage" sounds american to me Wink
  • - 1
 garbage means rubbish piranha lol
  • + 1
 i knew that alex...im not "dumb" lol
  • + 3
 wow, reading this ^ is awesome! @>loaded, lets go ride TW man, i'm from Diego too....@>the brits, you guys rock, anytime you guys call someone a 'wanker' it's just down right hilarious.
  • - 1
 dont you mean "jerk off" ?
and im WELSH!
  • + 1
 piranha, NOBODY CARES!!!!
  • + 1
 americans cant even spell properly and welsh is the oldest language in europe! JOG ON FATTY
  • + 0
 wow, big talk from a 16 year old punk.... LOL...and Welsh is NOT the oldest language in Europe, sorry to break it ya.
  • + 0
 Hahaha Welsh is the oldest language! Yes maybe amongst all the miners down in the valleys Bud, but not in the real world.
There is a massive debate about this and to be honest, no one would win. Albanian, Greek and Latin are in for the running. This is from the era of the roman empire being the first real super power in the world in the first Century. Sorry Team America, but that's the truth.

Has anyone else noticed that this has floated away from the fact that this article is about a shock made by a bunch of lads and lasses at Rock-shock!? it's an Air one thats for a DH bike........ Who'd have thunk it hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It you boys and girls wish to continue this, why not open a thread on the Forum??????

Just a thought.
  • + 0
 LOL cheers for the history lesson gazmataz lol
  • - 3
 mtblocos - im not 16 and im definatly not a punk...do you even know what one is?

gazmataz - look at my claim a little closer
  • + 2
 piranha..... Dead Horse
  • + 0
 exactly your in denial now!
"twat" Wink bet you dont even know what one of them is
  • + 1
 sure do, your mom showed me hers last night.
  • + 0
 oooh now that is proper american! and no...we do not own a pregnant fish...GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
  • + 10
 ill just stick to my dhx 5.0 coil wiht the ti spring, still just as light as this shock
  • + 1
 Yup, dhx coil comes at up to 150g less than Vivid depending on length. Ti spring saves up to 150g. So 100g might just not be worth the hassle.
  • + 1
 Wrong. There are about 50g difference between the DHX and other coil shocks and a Ti spring saves up to 250g,
  • + 2
 all i know that i smy dhx coil wiht the ti spring weigh 498 grams
  • + 1
 C'mon man you are joking. The body of my DHX 5.0 coil that is 216mm/2,75" without the spring is 452g. My 450lb steel spring is slightly above 400g, resulting the whole thing to be 850g, while i.e Manitou Swinger of the same length is above 1kg. The Ti spring from Nuke Proof for my length and hardness is only 120g lighter than steel.
  • + 2
 Shocks:
Rock Shox Vivid 5.1 (8.75 x 2.75) -------> 440 g
FOX RC4 (9.5 x 3.0) -----> 450.7 g
Manitou Revox (9.5 x 3.0) ---->464 g
Rock Shox Vivid 5.1 (9.5 x 3.0) -----> 462 g
Cane Creek Double Barrel (9.5 x 3.0) ----->476 g

Springs:
FOX Steel (400lb x 3.0) -----> 580.5 g
Obtainium Ti (400lb x 3.0) ----->321 g

Do you feel silly now?
  • - 2
 the body does not wigh 452 grams! my spring only weigh 132 grams! you do the math
  • + 1
 ok I feel silly, I shouldn't post number without properly checking them. Then I still claim my complete shock to weigh around 850, I weighed it some time ago, I can't tell you exact number. All i remember for the certain is 452g for the body. When I was wondering whether to buy Ti or not I only remember it was only 120g lighter than my around 400g steel. Taking into account your listings undercoverfreak 400g for my steel and ti being 120 lighter is totaly possible with my 0.25" shorter shock. I am not going to borrow kitchen scale, unmount the shock from my bike, take a pic and post it for your satisfaction Big Grin Don't expect me also to tear my shirt open and shout out "mea culpa"! for 20g Big Grin

All I meant is that MDHdirtjump there's no bloody way your shock coil weighs so little.
  • + 1
 do i need to take a pic
  • + 1
 Waki is right. That weight is impossible. You don't need to take a picture because you will waste your time in the process. Just accept that it will be between 650-750g with a Ti spring.
  • + 1
 yup this is what I thought it is Smile I'd love to get a Ti spring but it's... it costs nearly as much as complete DHX coil 5.0 with steel spring Smile too much money for 100 -150g...
  • + 1
 what the fuck....spring 132 grams yeah sure... its home made from aluminum beer cans...
  • + 11
 high shafting speeds...lol i'm sorry
  • + 8
 wonder what the "life" of this thermal plastic is
  • + 1
 I bet the life is pretty good. It's not under a of of stress, and it's probably got oil on it a lot of the time. What I wonder is if it actually works, and if a human can tell the difference.
  • + 3
 yeah I was more speaking of the number of cycles it could expand and contract sort of life. Kinda like how you can only charge a battery so many times before it just is dead no matter how much you try to charge it.
  • + 7
 everything everywhere is constantlly expanding and contracting due to thermal Mass.. I doubt that there is a life at all on this, it is essentially a Diastat. they rarely fail .
( used in commercial hot water tanks )
  • + 2
 Agreed but if you think about it, Most people (me included) have their shocks (front and rear) serviced every year or so. Ok most people sell their frames on after a season or two but someone who's bought that will have it serviced. I'm sure a service would include a check of the "hotrod" and a replacement if required???
  • + 1
 Q for Mike here - how easy was the shock to set up and change settings on? Did you basically just dial in where you wanted the rebound and low speed compression, set the sag and go?

Reason I ask is that I'm starting to put together a bike very much like a Nomad that I'm going to be using for everything in BC, DH and big long AM rides, and want to spec a shock that I can change the sag on real quick.

Answer appreciated!
  • + 1
 I dont know im just skeptical about air shocks...What happens when you blow a shock on the ride down? better jump of your bike and start hiking fast or your going to do damage. atleast with a coil there is something there to stop you from trashing your bike to hard
  • + 1
 wow thats what aim is for and the 8 th grade ther people more mature in my high school.. freshman... sick shock love to see a lot of good tests on it let it be nomad, quake,v10 or session 88 the input from the guys at pink bike and the wc circut is all great stuff. but nothing beats personal opinion... nuff said
  • + 3
 Cool dudes. I think coil shocks look neater on downhill bikes. if they start winning you cant argue with results.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns.... Maybe we were having friendly banter. And what's with the "you Brits"?You Poles may as f*cking well be Brits. Most of you lot are here camping in tents on our roundabouts and draining our economy and eating swans and fish from our rivers anyway.. So give up your Internet policing role, phone your mates and tell them to get their square heads on the next lorry back to Poland.
  • + 1
 lol, this is awesome! Reading this at work is making my boring day so much more interesting.
  • + 1
 When you see the internals and how it works its hardly anything and then the price is like sky high...just a name. Still dont think the air shock can be tuned as well as a coil and react as quick to the change in terrain.
  • + 1
 r&d costs alot
  • + 1
 620 bucks....shiiiiiit. lower the price or make a different version for cheaper.. i would git one of those on my next bike but super expensive! im down with rockshox. they make nice shtuff. but damn thats not cheap!
  • + 1
 Finally a company putting plastics to good use, I've been waiting for someone to address the heat issue in suspension tech. Looks like a great unit!
  • + 1
 It would be interesting to see if the thermoplastic can be removed or replaced with a non-thermoplastic part to see if there really is a difference.
  • + 1
 so if i tune my bike for the cold wet uk, then take it abroad where its warm, the rebound could be totally different? thats annoying
  • + 1
 go coil
  • + 1
 yup I remember my dhx air getting wormed up to like 50C on a 2:30 course after 3 rides, honestly, it didn't feel good after that
  • + 0
 i remember when this shock was supposed to be so good all the wc rockshox riders were going to be running it for the first world cup then the first world cup arrived and theyre all on coil shocks
  • + 2
 Not all Mick Hannah runs a vivid air
  • + 0
 incorrect
  • + 2
 @ matlem, you've hit the nail spot on the head sir. Don't you know who he is!!?
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  • + 1
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  • + 1
 I think Loaded is pretty cool guy. Eh acts tough on internet and doesn't afraid of anything
  • + 1
 I'd just be stoked if (unlike any of the Fox air shocks) it doesn't die when it's below freezing.
  • + 1
 had trouble??
  • + 2
 The RP series get stuck down. The DHX ones don't completely fail but within a single ride there gets to be a lot of air bubbles in the oil. I'd gladly pay more for a shock that meant I didn't have to change shocks depending on the season.
  • + 1
 Didnt make me want an air shock :/ sounds interesting though we will see how people like them.
  • + 2
 Highly considering replacing coil with Air.
  • + 3
 looks nice
  • + 7
 Yeah it does look sweet! Air sprung suspension is getting closer and closer to the feel of coil, and the weight savings is significant. But for DH/FR use I'm still skeptical, can it truly offer the same ride quality?
  • + 18
 air shocks have been used on moto since like the 70's. and fox has it for their sx quads. i'd trust it.
  • + 1
 pretty cool
  • + 7
 I can see 2-stage redesigning their rear end to fit these Wink
  • + 9
 i'm extremely anxious to pick one up and try it out, specially after what he said about it feeling similar to a coil....but i think i'll give it a year on the pro-circuit to see how it holds up/performs under PROLONGED abuse.
  • - 7
flag stellaride (May 15, 2010 at 22:07) (Below Threshold)
 Im still skeptical too about air shocks that take the work of coils.... it just doesnt seem right. seems like air shocks would snap on a dh bike. just to weird on a dh bike for me, but on a xc bike their awesome.
  • - 1
 I'm just away to stick an air shock on instead of my dhx for some abuse, i too am skeptical that it will hold up. Time will tell if it's up to the job or if it will blow apart. I hope it will be good though as the weight saving is massive!
  • + 2
 Since some years there is no such thing as durability issue of air shock vs coil. Maybe ifyou compare low volume fox float or dt 220 shocks to Marzochi Roco or RS Vivid coil. But even Fox Dhx coil. It's body w/o spring weighs over 100g less than any other coil. Aren't you affraid about that?

Dont worry, everyone will be just fine with air shocks
  • + 2
 @Wuffy. Do you ever get off of PB?
  • + 7
 @Apoc - do you ever get off pb? Surely you're on here just as much as wuffy to notice that he is always on here?
  • + 3
 personally this shock looks realy ugly especially compared to the DHX Air, im sure it works great like most Rockshock products, but i think they should change the appearence for the 2012 shock
  • + 1
 @Giant-Rider-Sam. Thats true that I am. But I am usually uploading or checking on my photos where as Wuffy (My friend) just kills all his spare time here, you'll see that the third comment of pretty much everything half decent that makes it to PB will be a comment from Wuffy himself.
  • + 3
 "seems like air shocks would snap on a dh bike" erm, what?

look forward to hearing how they hold up at fort william, that has to be the ultimate test really, especially under peaty or minnaar, although the fact they are sponsored might proved some bias haha
  • + 2
 i think, SRAM got some guts & tech to release this air shock,, they proved their air tech via boxxer wc
  • + 5
 People... all those freeriders like McCaul and Semenuk smashing bikes into the ground like hammers, use air shocks. Some use even those super light around 200g small can Floats! There is no durabilitAAAE issue with air shocks. Just fit stainless-steel or Cro-Mo axles instead of stock alu XC hardware kit, and forget about it.

It's over 10 years of development of air springs now. So there is not only DurabilitAAAE, but also ReliabilitAAAEE issue gone. First they were leaking and too progressive, then they stopped leaking and were still bad performers first air Boxx WC, then they started to be better (Fox Float 2008, RS solo air 2010), and now Fox releases 2011 air forks with RC2 Fit dampers with valving tuned in a way so they feel nearly as coil.
  • + 3
 Agreed, durability/reliability of air shocks is a non-issue. Can't believe it's even being brought up as an issue. I like the idea of a air shock for dh, you have a lot more flexibility in getting the exact effective spring rate vs a coil shock(yeah I know obtanium makes 25lb increment coil springs, but their expensive!). You don't have to carry around extra coil springs for specific riders/tracks, and it's a lot easier to change the psi than to change a spring. Anyone that's ridden a Air ROCO WC, knows that we are getting close to air shocks that perform like coil shocks, and the Vivid Air might just be the holy grail. That being said I'll give it a year before I consider buying it(I love RS to death, but a lot of their first year products seem to have teething issues).
  • + 1
 Fox needs to improve their DHX 5.0 It rides like crap. I know I'll probably get neg propped because a lot of people have it but it really doesn't come even close to a coil shock. This new rockshox product sounds pretty good though.
  • + 2
 i'd like to see it in action
  • + 2
 probably works and feels really nice but it does look really ugly.
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 Crazy high tech , always preferred the air feel over coil for the riding I do. Good to see the tech is moving along.
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 some serious engineering good solution to the heating problem - almost like a thermostat
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 yeah, its a diastat... Google it.
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 i would like to know how it handles drops and big jumps?
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 thermoplastic = what u normally think of as a plastic. thermoset = resin (usuallly) stiffer because more cross linking between polymer chains
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 looks like space age its weird
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 It looks rough. I'll stick with my RP23
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 :L ill stik with my roco:L
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 ... @Loaded.... why so angry... you sed what you wanted y can't every1 else....
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 for 620$ i can put ti springon my vivid and get the same weigth...
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 The vivid air is still 200g lighter than a shock with Ti spring that cost the same
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 that is sick
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 Wow vary nice!
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 Rather have a DHX air
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 Just finished my 12 km light DH with Vivid Air (First ride), whereby previously i spent with my DHX Air.
- Drops, Vivid Air perfectly beats DHX Air (8 to 5)
- Jumps, Vivid Air stabilizes my take off and landing (8 to 7)
- Cornering, I think i need to re - dial in my Vivid Air (so far my cornering still flows nicely with my DHX Air) (6 to 8 )
- Full speed at rock garden and extreme descending, I think i need to re - dial in my Vivid Air (so far it is indifferent with my DHX Air) ( 7 to 7)
- Consistency of performance for 12km, Vivid Air perfectly beats DHX Air (8 to 4) --- is it because of Hot Rod?

Conclusion: I still required more benefits from Vivid Air compare to DHX Air, since it costs higher than DHX Air

* above are my SUBJECTIVE assessments
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 Why all the hate?
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 ugly... and cheap looking.
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 agree
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 Prototype. Some people are so stupid.
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 fuck off.
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 so ugly
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 All I know is that I'm gonna ride one, and if it's good, it's good. I don't care what anybody thinks of how it looks. What will sell me or not, is whether it feels like a coil. If so, I welcome being able to dial in the specific spring constant that I want.
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 thats the right outlook to have dude. i just dont like the looks of it. lots of guys were runnin it at sea otter. not trying to knock anyone or rockshox...
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