Rocky Mountain Announces All-New Reaper Kids' Full Suspension Bike

Oct 11, 2018
by Rocky Mountain Bicycles  
The all-new Reaper Photos by Margus

PRESS RELEASE: Rocky Mountain

The all-new Reaper packs the same aggressive trail performance found in our full suspension bikes like the Altitude and Instinct, but in a smaller package for young rippers.

The Reaper can tear up singletrack, smash technical descents, and slay bike park laps all day long. And, because we know that kids grow (and have younger siblings), the Reaper is easily convertible from 24” wheels to 26” wheels and vice versa. We also have the new Reaper 27.5 option (that's 26+ compatible) to keep your kids shredding longer!


REAPER TECHNOLOGY OVERVIEW

Reaper 26 Photos by Margus

RIDE-9™ adjustment system
The entire Reaper lineup comes equipped with the RIDE-9™ adjustment system. RIDE-9™ allows riders to quickly fine-tune their geometry and suspension with a pair of Allen keys. Nine configurations are possible thanks to two interlocking chips.



Size-Specific Tune
The shock tune on the Reaper 27.5, 26, and 24 differs per model to ensure that riders of all sizes get the right balance of small-bump compliance, mid-stroke support, and end-stroke progressiveness.

Reaper 24 Photos by Margus


Reaper 24 Photos by Margus

Frame Design
• Bearings at all pivots, including at the lower shock mount (still compatible with aftermarket shocks)
• Blind pivots maximize rider heel clearance at the chainstay


INTRODUCING THE REAPER 27.5


• Reaper 27.5 is also 26+ compatible
• Max tire clearance on the Reaper 27.5 is 27.5 x 2.5 and 26 x 2.8 (3.0 with low Profile knobs)
• RockShox Sektor RL 130mm fork and RockShox Deluxe RT rear suspension
• Maxxis Minion DHR II Folding 27.5x2.3 tires front and rear
• Shimano SLX 1x11 drivetrain

Reaper 27.5 Photos by Margus


Reaper 27.5 Photos by Margus
• Improved cable management including large head tube and down tube access ports, full-length shift housing, and internally routed shift housing and brake lines the front triangle housing
• Integrated “Spirit Guide” chainguide with 2-bolt ISCG05, chainstay protectors, and downtube protectors.
• Modern parts compatibility (boost spacing, metric shock lengths, post mount 180mm brakes, etc.)


THE RE-DESIGNED REAPER 26


• Reaper 26 is also compatible with 24” wheels, and has 135mm rear axle
spacing for simple conversions
• Maxxis Minion DHF Folding 26x2.35 tires front and rear
Reaper 26 Photos by Margus


Reaper 26 Photos by Margus

• RockShox Sektor RL 130mm fork and RockShox Monarch R rear suspension
• Shimano Deore 1x10 drivetrain
• Chainstay protectors, post-mount 160mm brakes


THE RE-DESIGNED REAPER 24


• Reaper 24 is also compatible with 26” wheels, and has 135mm rear-axle spacing for simple conversions
• Schwalbe Black Jack 24x2.1 tires front and rear
Reaper 24 Photos by Margus

Reaper 24 Photos by Margus

• Suntour Epixon LO DS 120mm fork and RockShox Monarch R rear suspension
• Shimano Deore 1x10 drivetrain
• Chainstay protectors, post-mount 160mm brakes


GEOMETRY
The all-new Reaper Photos by Margus
The all-new Reaper Photos by Margus
The all-new Reaper Photos by Margus

The all-new Reaper Photos by Margus
The all-new Reaper Photos by Margus

The all-new Reaper Photos by Margus


PRICING & AVAILABILITY

The Reaper is now available! Please head to your local Rocky Mountain dealer to see the bikes. Regional availability may vary.


REAPER 27.5: $3,599 CAD / $2,849 USD
The all-new Reaper Photos by Margus
Brown Sugar / Back in Black / Surfin' Bird


Reaper 26: $2,889 CAD / $2,349 USD
The all-new Reaper Photos by Margus
Available in Surfin' Bird / Back in Black / School's Out


Reaper 24: $2,449 CAD / $1,949 USD
The all-new Reaper Photos by Margus
Hazzard / Back in Black / Billy Ocean


See the full details on BIKES.COM

Riders: Dane Jewett
Photographer: Margus Riga



MENTIONS: @RockyMountainBicycles



122 Comments

  • + 46
 A really creative grom could put the 24" wheel on the back of the 26" and call it something like... I dunno... Big Hit?
  • + 5
 I loved my Big Hit, so much.
  • + 3
 yes and probably get a sub 60 degrees head angle
  • + 2
 On the hunt for a big hit grom 24
  • + 30
 26 ain't dead but it might have gotten stolen
  • + 9
 bikes should be available for pretty low prices soon
  • + 16
 Grand dad, I just wasted my rim and it seems the wheels from your old bike fits mine, can I take them? - I am affraid not son. It won't fit your 29 hole hub... we lost your dad when this standard came in. He choked on the keyboard.
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: you didn't get the stolen bikes memo didn't you?
  • + 3
 24 aint dead too.
  • + 11
 The rebirth of the 26" wheel.................it's a good day
  • + 14
 Is this available as a frame only? It would be really sweet if it were, so that instead of basically giving away all those sweet 26" bike parts for nothing I could keep them for my kid when he grows up a bit. Actually this is the plan already, just need to find a small frame.
  • + 6
 I just snagged a sweet old Rocky Reaper HT frame and built it up for my 11 year old son with all the sweet 26" parts I had on hand. He loves the damn thing. Now I just need him to learn how to jump like the kid in the press release so he can support his old man in 10 years.
  • + 3
 I bought the 24 inch wheel version- then will slide my old 26 inch goodies on when he grows into it. Has transformed our family rides.
  • + 3
 @brightfff: Hopefully you live in a country where $10,000 a year will cover all living expenses. The average PGA Caddy is making more than most of the top riders on the planet.
  • + 3
 @downhillnews: That's really depressing.
  • + 3
 I brought my boy up over the last few years on an Intense uzzi vpx small with a -2 headset and 160mm fork and at first 24” wheels and 155 (modified sram X9) cranks. Now on 26” and 170 cranks. It’s 1x11 and dropper post. Dropping and slaking the front end resulted in 66 ha 75 sa. Cost was around a grand, it’s been a great bike to get him started. Some pictures over on my Instagram @piersjonesmtb
  • + 1
 Ya just search the Pinkbike buysell for small or xtra small frames with 26" wheels
  • + 2
 Check out the Transition Ripcord - www.transitionbikes.com/Bikes_Ripcord.cfm
  • + 15
 3.000$ for a kids bike?!?! Might have to start something like breaking bad...
  • + 3
 Hardtail is the solution
  • + 20
 @mkotowski1: Second hand is the solution. Kids grow faster than new standards from SRAM.
  • + 10
 Im amazed theres a market for this? Maybe Im just jealous after 23 years of riding Ive never had a bike this nice. The rider is awesome.
  • + 6
 I live by Ray's MTB an indoor bike park, and you would be amazed to see they bikes kids are riding now. When I was a kid I struggled to save money for a $400 bmx bike now kids have wheel sets twice that.
  • + 6
 There's a market. Plenty of parents buying their kids $2-3k bikes if not more expensive. I mean I see tons of teens driving around in $30-50k cars, so I'm sure those parents aren't concerned about spending $2k on their 10 year old's bike. I work at home, look out the window every day and see two teens from the same house; one leaves for high school in his Land Rover, the other in his Infiniti. Love it or hate it, its reality.
  • + 12
 @yupstate: Agreed, ever enrolled a kid in competitive hockey? f*ck that, I would much rather put up 2k for my kid to get out a ride bikes at a fraction of the price. Hopefully better bikes will allow kids to excell and take to it more then that canadian tire bike.
  • + 4
 I went to a local enduro race a few weeks ago and I thought my bike was pretty swish until I saw what some of the kids were riding!
  • + 2
 @LOS: Yep that's how it works. Almost like their sponsored and on the wc circuit. I always see kids at the bike park riding S-Works Demos and Santa Cruz V10s and I'm just thinking "jeez if my parents gave me that..." Meanwhile I have to work for everything.
  • + 1
 @BoneDog: Exactly. Same with little league/travel baseball or gymnastics. It's where you choose to put your money on your kids. $2k bike isn't that much if you look at total costs
  • + 5
 Can you imagine the look on the faces of the people that sold the 160 bikes from them when they start to open boxes only to find the new Rocky Mountain Reaper Kids' Full Suspension Bike in every box..........
  • + 4
 A kids bike that parents would be happy riding.
Yes it's 2 grand and change.
When your kid grows out of the bike there are hundreds of parents willing to buy that bike .
Make a 26 in Reaper for us AdultsSmile
Reaper SS. Slope style.
  • + 2
 There is a huge hole in the market for bigger kids bikes. The 24” ala Ripcord etc are amazing. The geo is dialed, the builds are crap but there is tons of stuff on eBay to sort it out. The adult small and xs 27.5 bikes are not dialed. I’ve seen 370 reach and 435 chain stays while hunting for my 10yo next bike. Also, no need for 175 cranks for a 5’0 rider so no need for the 340+ BB.

The geo on the 26 and 27.5 Reapers isn’t perfect but it’s better than most of what’s out there.
  • + 1
 Obviously biased, but we've filled this gap.

www.trailcraftcycles.com/product/maxwell-26

We do full custom builds as well.

www.trailcraftcycles.com/custom-builds

Cheers! TC
  • + 1
 @TrailcraftCycles: I'm not sure.. your standover is massive! My guy is ready to go up to 26 but there's no way he'll fit a maxwell 26.
v-pace are on the money with their geo on the Moritz 26
www.pinkbike.com/photo/16450130
  • + 4
 Bit of a grim name for a kid's bike na?


You know you frequent this site too much when you start unintentionally making puns
  • + 0
 They could have called it Rocky III
  • + 2
 Marin Hawk Hill Jr. is probably the best specc'd and value kids full suspension bikes out there. www.marinbikes.com/ca/bikes/2019-kids-full-suspension-trail-24-hawk-hill-jr
  • + 2
 Goofy geo tho. The chainstay are longer than my XL 29er lol (am I reading that right? 428.5mm stays??) . So shitty for kids. I do really like the bike a lot aside from the geo.
  • + 1
 @Svinyard: Hmm, they do seem a little long, still shorter than my Large Norco Sight. Looking at some of the other kids FS bike, they are a little longer, but not much. I'm assuming it's because the bike is meant to be able to accommodate 26" wheels. And honestly, most kids riding 24" bikes need stability more than anything else, they are definitely not charging or whipping these bikes around much. I'd be looking more at the wheelbase than anything else.
  • + 1
 @islandforlife: I agree on stability but I certainly don't want the length in the backend. If a kid is flying and doing crazy stuff (my 6yr is), they need to be able to manual the damn thing to save their life once in a while. My little dude hit a 6ft drop (its a nice long, steep landing) and when you see it slow-mo he still nosed it a bit.
  • + 2
 @Svinyard: yep, the ripcord is the shortest of the 24 full suspension bikes out there and the geonis dialled for that sized rider.
Frame only too if you want to go all rad dad on a build!
  • + 1
 @islandforlife another comparable bike to the Marin is the KHS.
khsbicycles.com/bikes/2018-khs-models/xc-24-18
  • + 1
 The geo chart has to be wrong!
Last years Reaper was 504mm reach which was already a solid inch too short for a 26" wheeled bike.
2019 26 shows 347mm!?! Thats shorter than a Ripcord 24
I really want to like the Reaper but its still compromised over other 26" kids frames because of the 24/26 crossover
  • + 1
 700mm standover too, even on the 24” - an XS sb5 yeti is a full 30mm lower.
  • + 1
 I have a photoshop overlay with all the current decent 24 and 26 bikes and i couldn't fathom why the stack is so high on the reaper 26... I figured it..its because they are using a 27.5 fork! Thats bizarre! They could've run a 140 26 fork instead and had less stack!
  • + 1
 MY Millennium Reaper signed by the Godfather in 2006 was stolen from my trail boss's remote cabin in Sheffield, Jamaica last season. I kept it in pristine shape and it had Roach HS and top tube protectors, Saint cranks with a RS fork up front and a ton of Chromag bits and a rasta headset. This bike was dialled.
It was and will always be a hard tail. White frame with that signature horseshoe by the bb
www.pinkbike.com/photo/16447709
  • + 1
 Yes it seems a lot for a kids bike, but with the interchangeable wheel sizes it a cheaper option in the long run. I've been looking at a 24" for my 8year old for next season, with this bike I don't have to sell it in 2-3 years to get a bigger one. just pick up a set of used 26'' wheels and maybe a new fork and bob's your auntie.
  • - 1
 Okay. So just uncer $2k for a bike. Then you have to spend another $700 for a new wheelset and fork. Kids trash bikes. Replacement parts will be expensive. If kept in perfect condition, that'd be about $3k for 4 years. Or... buy a $500 hardtail once every two years, and you'd be at $1,100 in 4 years.
  • + 4
 @onek5 I feel like the decision should be somewhat the same as an adult, no? If you've got a little ripper that's riding stuff that's outgrown a HT, this could be a good option to keep the progression going. Not saying it's a requirement by any means, but different strokes for different folks.
  • + 2
 don't buy that "slap 26" wheels on crap. Soon as you put the wheels on, you realize the frame didn't get any bigger. Your kids knees are still to the bars and you have to sell. Worse, they try to pedal and their foot stuffs into the front tire with the wheel turned.

Just a sales pitch because the bike has to have a 26" compatible fork so why not advertise that it can upgrade.

Plan on buying a larger bike when the kid gets larger.
  • + 1
 @bizutch: wrong. It's a proper 26" bike that also supports 24" wheels. The bike is too big at 24" for a 7/8yr kid. The chainstays are really long which makes manualling it a bit (life saving for bigger drops and hits) really difficult etc. Etc.

I'm not a fan of this modular design for 24/26...or most any. I'd just wish they'd make a proper 24" bike and call it good. Like a longer travel Trailcraft Maxwell. The chainstays on that are like 380mm because it's a proper bike. The chainstays here are nearly 420mm because it a nice 26" bike.
  • + 2
 @onek5: No need for a new fork.. the 24 has a 26 fork.
Trouble is the 24 has really long chainstays and the 26 a really short reach.
Kids don't trash bikes if you teach them to respect them. My boys treat their bikes better than many big people.. their bikes get put down 'drive train up'.
The riding that the kids are doing whose parents will buy bikes at this pricepoint benefit hugely from quality full sus..and have likely already maxed out their line choice learning on 14/16/20/24" hardtails!
Dane Jewitt is top of his game for a 13yo, but there are plenty of kids following in his footsteps!
  • + 1
 @Svinyard: Yeah where's the 380 CS 24 with extra long reach 6 inches of travel and low stand over I can use as a jump bike and maybe let the kids ride?
  • + 1
 @Svinyard: Oh...sneaky. 26" bike w/ 24" kit.
  • + 4
 What is with the different headangles for different wheel sizes? The slackest is the 22"/559mm...weird geo...
  • + 2
 The 26 with the 63.9 looks fun.
  • + 1
 @Flowcheckers: It does. Probably the best headangle of all the wheelsizes.
  • + 1
 I like these bikes and love Rocky (ride a new custom Instinct). I can't help but think the price point is high for the specs. I'm not in love with the 24" fork at all (price seems fair tho) and the brakes are just OK I guess. Rocky really nailed it with the drive trains tho. 28t and 11-42 on 24" is really nice (30t would have been OK too). The 26" is a nice bike but steep price for ok spec. I'm guessing you'd still have to drop cash to get both the fork and shock reshimmed/tuned for a kid to have any semblance of small bump help.

When you look at what Propain Yuma gives you for roughly 2050$, it's extremely nice. Deluxe piggyback shock, Formula brakes, 145mm of travel, nice drivetrain etc. No shipping to USA tho.
  • + 4
 The kid's a bit stylish, isn't he ? Way to go !
  • + 0
 Yeah we need weights. They only come in one size. We also need the Crank lengths. Most are really long for no reason and fit a 5ft adult not a 4ft kid. 155mm is NOT what a 24" kid should be riding. It's bad for their bodies.
  • + 2
 I had to mow lawns and steal cans to raise the cash for my Redline Microline when i was a boy, the reaper sh#ts all over that but is a bit small for me now.
  • + 2
 I keep saying there are a lot of 26" Small frames out there that can be converted into junior bikes so easy and for such a small amount of money....
  • + 1
 My 10 yo kills it on an old size S Santa Cruz BLT. Found on ebay for $900 with Chris King hubs and xtr deraillers. Its a little overdamped and standover clearance wasn't great, but it's gonna last him a long time and then his siblings can have it in a few years.
  • + 1
 Where are the 20" wheel versions?

BTW for those who are complaining about the prices, compared to Lil Shredder or Spawn these are a decent price.
  • + 3
 26+ is the new thing. lol...
  • + 4
 Needs more cowbell
  • + 1
 A new 26" bike commercial on PB! Hold my beer! Every bike manufacturer who stopped making them is gonna jump back on that wheel size for sure! We know who you are!
  • + 1
 I can't see me or most of my friends who ride that have kids spending that much on a kids bike.
  • + 1
 Looks like I need to shop for kids bike tires for my dh bike from now on lol
  • + 3
 weights?
  • + 1
 We need weights to be listed for sure. If the kid riding a 24" weighs 60 lbs the bike could be approaching half his (or her) weight. That's like a grownup riding a 75lbs bike. Downhill maybe but forget about pedaling it on a trail. The climb up Tin Pants would be agonizing.
  • - 1
 Oh to be a kid now. Lucky little shits don't know they're born! But... all this luxury just spoils them and in the end actually dulls their motivation to ride and diminishes their skills...
  • + 2
 F*ckin sick rig though!
  • + 4
 I thought it is your job to skillfully motivate your kid if you care so much about him riding. In such case, what difference does a bike make? My kids wouldn’t ride at all if I wasn’t pushing them, sometimes literally. I fkd up my back pushing them up mountains. Do you want to make a comment about them having it easy, tgat they should be pushing the bike themselves, or better, ride up themselves? If you want to make them ride you provide bike, motivation and example.

Also at the time you started riding there was little else to do, you could kick ball, throw ball, watch TV or ride. You couldn’t even get porn easily. Now a 10 year old has tons of other fun sht to do and maybe Daddy’s lame mtb passion is just not that interesting and it is again his job to deal with it
  • - 7
flag jaame (Oct 11, 2018 at 3:34) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm pushing my son in football. I bought him two balls for £20 each, and complained when he asked for new boots that were also £20. Those balls give him hours of fun and if he makes it pro, he's going to get paaaaaiiiiddddd in a way pro mtb riders can only dream of! Footy FTW... keep the expensive bikes for adults who buy their own!
  • + 1
 @jaame: I don’t sens my kids to church hence it would be a hipocrisy to make them play ball. Religions are terrible things. Maybe it’s cool on Taiwan but in Sweden football is commercialized deep to the bone, at least in big cities. Then it is pricy as hell if you want your kid to play regularly and travel to matches. So well... it always depends. If your kid gets stoked on playing ball on their own, I salute you for having a great kid
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: I hated footy when I was a kid. I didn't realise the beauty of it until I was about 30 actually. Now me and my son are kind of discovering it together. I mean playing, not watching (unless it's an England match). It's a great workout, cheap, fun, and addictive to see the fruits of your labour. Shame about all the c*nts who worship it, yes. But for fun exercise it's cool. I mean, all you need is a ball.
  • + 0
 @jaame: it's impregnated with shit here. Nice pitches with lighting in the evenings everywhere, clubs, play offs for all ages, sexes, team jerseys, training, actial coaches, buses, whatever you want. But that comes at a price and here's when it is no longer about only kicking ball. I loved being a goalie as kid and I was considered good at it, I grew digusted with the sport later. Just like it slowly happens for me with MTB. A bunch of rich Joeys on one side and sht kids who can't much more than send whips on big lines on another - and everyone looks down on each other, hiding themselves in complexity of the sport, where in simplier sports it would be apparent that they all exaggerate the size of their dicks. You can't hide on a BMX track or when lifting weights. You can or you can't. In the woods? oh mate I did this and that i tell you! I was right on your backwheel and then made a mistake in the last moment. Oh I may suck at jumping but check out my PRs on climbs. Oh this new HSC knob makes me faster, will never look back.The very fact of my activity on this site is the proof of what I am saying.
  • + 1
 because a huffy is a motivational tool
  • + 1
 @jaame: "Keep the expensive bikes for the adults who buy their own" at $1900 for the 24" I'd say this is a cheap MTB, considering most entry level options are twice that.
  • + 3
 @jaame: bah, the team sports are great and all but dude sitting and watching them at practice is the opposite of quality time with the kid. Ripping a black/blue trail alone in the woods with my 6yro is quality time and we are together. The stoke is through the roof and it's lifelong memories almost everytime. It just isn't the same when he is playing soccer /basketball (which I love).
  • + 2
 @loganskis: "1900... cheap mtb" for kids... lol man I'm crying
  • - 3
 Warning! Incoming RANT!

What the fk is wrong with you people? There are still very few options for all kids of all afes out there. Any company getting out of their way and offering a bike for kids deserves kudos. Would you put your kid on a shitty bike down the bike park? Do you even have kids? Ehat about taking kids who don’t exactly like riding? Would you tell them ride a 300$ bmx down A-line? What the hell?! So you are projecting on them not only your ambitions but also your shames? Oh wait, off course you do! Perhaps a bike park near you will buy a few of these and you will be able to rent them them like Bike Park Hafjell rents out lil shredders. Holy sht, some of you really have mental problems.

No, nobody thinks you are a smart or noble person for saying this bike is too expensive. Nobody.
  • + 2
 Everyone else: unless you want to, tl;dr... you've been warned.
@WAKIdesigns: Warning, incoming half-rant-whine!
If anyone has mental problems, it's the guy who's life is PB... (need I reference that study by Eliot Jackson?). That aside...
I'm not saying that I'm condemning RM, or any other company, or that they should be condemned. Quite the opposite. I happen to really like RM bikes (the concept, looks, numbers on paper, etc... haven't ridden one yet), and fully agree with you that a brand branching out into kids bikes and filling that void should be applauded. But the part you're missing is that that void is at the top of the food chain, in the luxury market. Saying that a 2k bike for kids is cheap... this is not remotely normal... the vast majority kids do not need or use this... the vast majority of people would view you as a lunatic for suggesting so. To answer your questions... Define s****y bike, but as far as I can guess of your definition, yeah, I would put my kid on one. Generally speaking, kids don't need bikes like that, normal bikes work fine, and kids grow like weeds, so they'd hardly use it. I figure through childhood, get decent bikes that fit. Once they've slowed/stopped, get them a nice bike to last. You can disagree with my philosophy. That's fine, I don't care. If you have the money to blow and what that for your kid, great. I just hope the kid appreciates it. But for myself, that's not really an option. When I grew at least a foot within a year... hmmmm. There's no way I would've expected my dad to keep up with that. My buddies and I have bikes y'all would view as S****Y all caps, yet we shred the bike park harder than many people we see there on superbikes. I don't want anyone on here to think I am smart or noble for saying that. At least I'M not that insecure. I just see this elitist side, and a small part of me gets a little frustrated and frankly envious, because buddy I spent so long waiting and begging and slaving in the summer heat etc just to buy a bike you would view as s****y, and I was happy to get that. And then I see a kid at the bike park on a brand new carbon decked out TR11, and another on a top-line Process 153, and another on a tricked Tracer... etc. It just goes on and on. Reminds me a bit of the video I saw of a kid taking his driving test in a Bugatti Chiron. I wish I could have stuff kids are on nowadays, stuff you regard with contempt. But that's fine. I still ride and have the best times of my life. And that's what's important. Remember your roots, where you've been, biking's roots, and those less fortunate. Be grateful, and SHRED!
  • + 1
 @mtbikeaddict: first off ai never said it is cheap, but that is irrelevant because a bike of this caliber can rarely be cheaper if you can put hat together in your angey head ashamed of not owning latest bikes, growing resentful of those who do, as if it was making you any better person and making the world a better place. I like your last sentence, ot stands against everything you wrote. That is because you put money value over a value of of riding a bike whatever it is. You simply cannot get over a fact that overly expensive bike is just an overly exepensvir bike you attribute character of the owner to a particular gtoup range of bikes. Good f*cking luck with living a happy life, riding around bike park comstantly seeing Joeys on carbon super bikes and womdering how full of ahit he must be.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Wow. You need a Snickers? Oh, wait, you ARE being yourself. Sorry, I just had a Snarkers. Big Grin I guess you didn't exactly say it was cheap, but someone else did, I laughed at that, and you piled on... so... anyway. My last sentence goes against everything? Umm... me and my friends ARE those roots. We ARE the "less fortunate". But I'd argue that we're actually MORE fortunate, since we can shred harder instead of sitting pretty on a bike that we can't do justice that also made us take out a mortgage... or not, but still expensive (don't get hissy, that was hyperbole). Whatever. It's beside the point. As usual, you win arguments by making no sense and being loud and obnoxious... the poor opponent gets dizzy following your logic. Wink Razz Nice bantering with you. Oh, wait. Money value over riding value? Did you even comprehend what you read?! To be continued... hope we meet up sometime so I can go get a Mongoose and whip your butt. (Kidding) Smile Don't take everything so hard.
  • + 1
 @mtbikeaddict: what? Shred harder? Honestly you are completely clueless and suffer from limited peer group. i know people on all sorts of bikes and there is no correlation between bike one ownes and how he/ she rides. You are just a dude who can’t deal with owning a cheap bike, like morons whining on people living in expensive areas. Again I know all sorts of people, including real posh of my town and most of them are normal people. You are far too concerned with what somebody has. Look beyonf belongings, look for good in people. It really makes your life better.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Thank you oh paragon of virtue. Guess that last bit came out wrong. Not trying to say that all people with expensive bikes can't ride with skill. Just noticing that I've seen a lot of snobbishness lately... e.g. someone whined about having the 2018 Fox Factory 36 with the FIT4, instead of the 2019 with GRIP2. Just reminding everyone to have a good day.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: And yeah, shred harder, when we hit the big features on our "s****y" bikes and I see others on EWS-worthy bikes take the go-around. Argue that with me. But I don't want to dwell on the negatives, so... back to the stay humble, be nice, ride the trails, yadda yadda yadda
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 @mtbikeaddict: I mean it in the best of ways, you should really get over your minority complex, shame or of not having a new bike, since nobody really cares that you don't have a good bike, it's only in your head... those snobs, they are happy that they have a cool bike. Like guys in raised trucks, with rolex watches, they do enjoy it. Meanwhile you toss yourself around feeling angry over what they have. Then you feel better than them because you can more which is bollocks. You are better in that particular setting in the bike park. Are you a better father? Employee? Boss? Lover? Husband? Singer? Dancer? Do you manage your savings and retirement money as well as they do? Life consists of many things, we all have different values, you just see those folks in that particular environemnt. What IF your bike in relation to your income, costs you more than what they have in relation to their income? Who has a more expensive bike then huh? Finally: Are you that bloody good at riding bikes to say how worthless they are? Would you be so smart and laugh at them with Thomas Vanderham around? Give yourself a break man, who gives a sht about snobs? They really don't laugh at you for being worse, they really don't care who you are. And when you fly by they really don't care much, most of them made the calculation of risk and reward and they made an agreement deep inside that they will never hit those jumps at speed, so they forget about you rather quickly. They don't really feel lesser. And older they are the less they care. Why do you remember them then? What you do is just having a mental autoimmune disease. I was just like you, but got much better after I got rid of this ridiculous pattern of thought. My issue was, it was both the "snobs" and the "park rats" that I thought wer looking down on me. Sometimes someone does. Never a good rider. With excellence comes humility.

Peace.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Ya know what, most of that was actually a good comment. Surprise, surprise. Wink Salute Honestly, I was coming to about the same conclusion as you were pointing out... it doesn't matter. I knew that initially, but seem to have forgotten for a time. Forgive me everyone if I came off as a jerk. That was not my intent. I guess just writing all that helped me vent... I occasionally get depressed... runs in the family. I was in a funk about my bike not being "good enough" as well as other stuff... too much time drooling on PB lol. As to your questions, Wacek, singer and dancer? Can almost guarantee it. But it doesn't matter lol. And ya know, that part about the bike in relation to income actually made sense, and made me feel a bit better. I'd never thought I'd say this, but thanks for helping, WAKI. Hope ya listened, cause I'm not gonna repeat it. Wink What a night... must be sleep deprived. I'll be back to normal emotion-wise in the morning, I'm sure. Peace.
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 @mtbikeaddict: Cheers. I'll tell you what, there are very few things that make me giggle more than getting a bit cocky and saying "Joey" to myself when I catch up on someone. Best when there are few "Get out of my way peasants" "into the ditch, where you belong" I love to think to myself, in a 100% comic way off course. That's how I ventilate my outrage hahahah Big Grin
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 wonder if this would make a nice slope rig?
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 2k and it gets a shit fork and shock.
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 Hey man, yeah I hear you. Here's hoping its tuned right at least. Transition is about the same for 1700$ and you get a shit everything but the frame. (yours is built nicely tho). I like that they are doing the gearing nicely at least.
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 Wonder if I can run this if I am 168 cm high adult
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 I never thought that it would be kids bikes that saves 26” wheels.
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 Kids, start yr yardwork businesses
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 You know of yardwork that'll pay that well? Sign me up! Razz
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 Shorten the chainstay on the 24 and we'll talk.
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 Clever branding, getting rippers into the sport will win long term loyalty from all the family, respect RM
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 26 ok, but where is the e-bike version?
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 Those prices are insane. Bikes are cool. Price is ludicrous.

Jamis makes a 24/26 kids bike for $1500
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 Get what you pay for though... just looked at the Jamis bike and you get a 100mm Rock Shox 30 Silver TK Coil spring fork (ha!) and a 90mm Rock Shox Monarch R. Then there's the Shimano Acera 3x groupset, and the Vittoria Mezcal tires. The bikes aren't really comparable to each other... not to say Jamis didn't do a pretty good job creating an affordable full suspension bike, it's just that for my local terrain, my kid would grow out of those parts and suspension travel within a year. At least with the Rocky, he'd be able to use it for probably 3 or 4 years at least.

But, it's not like I'm even close to willing (or able) to buy my kid a $2500 fs bike, haha! But I can see, for those who have the cash, why they would buy it.
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 @islandforlife: that Jamis bike is trash. Just buy a Ripcord for a bit more and you get a way nicer bike. Or Norco Fluid for that matter. The swap to 26 stuff is tricky because the geo sucks unless your kid just wants to roll quickly and never manual it etc. Hoping someone does it right with a rear triangle swap or adjustment but I haven't seen it. Flow did it nicely in 16/20 tho.
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 @Svinyard: Ya, I may not have been clear... that's what I was saying... it's cheap because it's trashy.
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 @islandforlife: Actually check out flow, they have what looks to be a seriously proper 24/26 designed already. It may not be in full production but its DEF more robust than anything else. Serious geometry adjustments.
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 @Svinyard: Looks promising... except their 20" kids hardtail is $1100! The FS is going to be like $3000+ = nope.
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 @islandforlife: I got you on previous post (you are right). I doubt it'll be 3k$ for Flow FS. Spawn's hardtail is 1100$ and their FS is 2200$. At the 3k$ point we'd be buying a Lil Shredder 24in... They won't compete at that level. Who knows if it'll come out tho.
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 @Svinyard: I don't think that Flow FS will make it to market though
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 @islandforlife: I agreed that they're definitely nice. You made mention of the 3-4 yrs of use, but that doesn't happen unless you have a kid like my daughter who is and will always be tiny. Most kids would pass that $2400 bike down the line in 2 years. Big Grin
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 Ride9 for a kid bike?
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 Adjusting the shock progression is a big deal for kids bikes on weak suspension tunes (let's hope this is better tune than transition ripcord). Often these tunes are just a light ladies tune for like a 100lb petite rider... Not a 60lb kid. I like it. 66.8 for home trails with linear shock etc... Slack 65.whatever for DH race days with more progression for bigger hits.
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 @Svinyard: from the groms I’ve seen riding at the bike parks... the ripcord is basically a hardtail, and the commencal actually looks plush. My kid isn’t old enough to ride yet so I haven’t really paid attention... couple more years though.
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 @yzedf: How old is your kid? They start quick these days Smile . My 6yr is boosting gaps and racing DH now, 4yro is just starting to jump speed bumps now. Yeah I used to be high on the Ripcord but as I got close to the bike...its not ideal and the complete is a tank. The welds aren't all amazing either. I do like that you can build it from a frame. The new Commencal Clash 24" looks cool. I wasn't a fan of the Supreme, stack was crazy and it was primarily a DH bike. New clash looks more like a modern Enduro sled which fits kids better IMO. I just need these bikes to come decently spec'd and not 30lbs (Commencal and Transition are bad at this). Propain Yuma is a nasty 145mm beauty of a bike and its only 26lbs with piggyback shock and all. Spawns 140mm sled is 27-28lbs depending on the DH casing of the tires I think. Its only a 10sp 11-36 which I'm not a fan of and the seat angle is a bit slack along with longer chainstays than I'd prefer.
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 @Svinyard: she’s 3.5 and in a soccer phase right now, she’s just never taken to bikes beyond watching YouTube videos with me and the odd pedal in the driveway. She’s the example that balance bikes aren’t for everyone (thankfully hers wasn’t expensive). Once she old enough to realize that she could go riding with me I’m sure she’ll at least give it a go. I just need to find her a bmx with purple and green on it lol!

If she never gets into riding, that’s fine too. I can always get into new stuff too (stay at home dad - never thought I’d be braiding hair etc but there ya go).
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 @Svinyard: My kids Ripcord is sub 24lbs with a 120mm 32 and a 100mm transfer dropper.
Needle bearing rear DU and if I get round to a lighter oil and a debonair can it'll be even more plush. Those short chainstays are killer for progression too! Thankfully it gets passed down to #2 so double the 'value'

But yep, frame only build was a necessity and a fork/wheel swap are a must if buying off the shelf for kids riding serious trails. That said, same deal with a Norco Fluid etc but many kids manage.

Interested to see actual spec on the Clash 26 and I think the Yuma will suffer the same compromises as the Reaper in 24 mode..but sure is a great looking bike. no frame only options either Frown

I've spent more time and money deciding which kids bike is the right fit than I do on my own.. mainly as I'm trying to build a single full sus that will do park days and pedaling trail days...
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 Looks like a

uhm...

Alutech Fanes?
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 Great bike terrible name
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 26 ain’t dead !!!!!!!
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 Great name until some kid dies on it.
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 Debbie Downer has a brother?

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