Rocky Mountain Maiden World Cup - Review

Jul 11, 2016
by Mike Levy  




Rocky Mountain's 200mm-travel Maiden was put through four years of development, a long time for those riders who were waiting to see what would replace their previous downhill sled, the always dependable but chunky Flatline. The wait culminated in a full carbon fiber frame that sports an up-sized version of the company's Smoothlink suspension design, adjustable geometry, and the ability to accommodate either 27.5'' or 26'' wheels. It also happens to look pretty damn sharp, doesn't it?

There are four complete Maidens to pick from, starting at the ''entry level'' X-Fusion-sprung Maiden Park for $4,499 USD that actually sounds like a deal when you find out that a Maiden frame and BOS Stoy RaRe shock costs $3,999 USD. It all tops out with the insanity that is the aptly named and Di2-compatible Maiden Unlimited for $10,499 USD. Not prepared to pay five digits for a bike? The $6,999 USD Maiden World Cup that's reviewed below still comes with BOS suspension that's bolted to the same carbon fiber frame, but with a less Gucci parts spec used to finish the build.



Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore
Maiden World Cup Details

• Intended use: freeride, downhill racing
• Rear wheel travel: 200mm
• Wheel size: 27.5'' (compatible w/ 26")
• Full carbon fiber frame
• BOS Idylle Air fork, BOS Stoy RaRe shock
• Shimano Di2 compatible
• Ride-4 adjustable geometry
• ISCG 05 chain guide tabs
• PressFit BB107 bottom bracket shell
• 12 x 157mm hub spacing
• Weight: 36lbs 1oz
• Frame only: $3,999 USD (w/ BOS Stoy)
• MSRP: $6,999 USD



Geometry

The Maiden offers riders a number of geometry adjustments, as well as the option to run 26" or 27.5" wheels, but the bike's 425mm chainstay length stays the same due to the two axle positions being laid out vertically (to compensate for the change in wheel diameter) rather than horizontally.

These two axle positions, along with a spacer that mounts into the underside of the head tube, allow the bike to maintain the same trail and bottom bracket numbers regardless of if 27.5'' or 26'' wheels have been fitted, something that should make for a consistent handling bike.

Riders also have the ability to tune the Maiden's head angle in 0.25° increments, taking it from 63° – 63.8° in four steps, hence the Ride-4 name for the rotatable chip system employed at the lower shock mount. But unlike the more complicated Ride-9 design that Rocky Mountain uses on many of their trail and enduro bikes, Ride-4 only alters the bike's geometry by changing the head angle and 10mm of bottom bracket drop, not the suspension rate. Again, consistent handling and consistent suspension action across the board was the goal.
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Frame Details

A number of hefty looking aluminum Maiden prototypes were seen out in the wild during the bike's development, including the wild ''Smurf Massacre'' bike that Geoff Gulevich rode at the Red Bull Rampage back in 2014, as well as the different test bikes that Thomas Vanderham was spotted on. However, these mules were manufactured at Rocky's North Vancouver facility to dial in the bike's geometry, suspension, and pivot design, with the production version always going to be made out of carbon fiber. And that's what Rocky Mountain did, including the massive rocker link and chainstays, two areas that many other companies choose to build out of aluminum due to what they say are cost concerns and relatively minimal weight savings of using carbon fiber.

But the Maiden is carbon fiber front to back, constructed via Rocky Mountain's ''Smoothwall' method that refers to their use of a rigid mold rather than a bladder during the layup process to ensure that the frame's shape is consistent both inside and out.


Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore
  The Maiden wins the 'mine is bigger' game when it comes to rocker links.


Rocky Mountain has long used a bushing-based system for most of their bike's pivots, now known as the updated ''BC2'' system but previously called '''ABC.'' However, the large size of the Maiden's pivots showed that a bushing system, while extremely flex-free, would have too much inherent friction due to the increased contact surface of the massive pivots, so Rocky ended up going with sealed bearings instead. Ginormous sealed bearings, that is - they're Enduro MAX bearings that are the same size as what's used for a BB30 bottom bracket, and it's all held together by an up-sized version of Rocky's ''Pipelock'' expanding collet hardware.

The large bearings and associated hardware no doubt add weight compared to smaller and more commonly used bearings, but Rocky Mountain is clearly aiming for long-term durability rather than out and out weight savings. A Maiden frame, along with a BOS Stoy RaRe shock, is said to weigh in at a not light but likely extremely durable 9.2lbs, and the complete Maiden World Cup weighs in at 36lbs 1oz.



Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore
Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore
Shift and brake lines enter just in front of the fork bumper and exit near the bottom of the downtube.


The burly looking frame features captive pivots at the dropouts and main pivot, and a splined cassette tool is required to access both the latter and the rocker link pivots. There are ISCG 05 chain guide tabs around the bottom bracket shell, of course, and the shell itself is actually a downhill oriented PressFit BB107. This system uses press-in cups that end up having the same overall width as external cups in a common 83mm wide shell, and the frame is compatible with any crankset that would fit a bike with an 83mm shell, despite the somewhat confusing BB107 nomenclature. No need to lose your mind over another so-called standard.

Out back, the Maiden's rear hub spacing is 12 x 157mm, and there are actually two different IS brake mounts - one to work with each wheel position. Rocky Mountain has also gone with a bolt-on thru-axle rather than any sort of tool-free setup.

Cables are routed inside of the frame, with both the shift and brake lines entering behind the headtube and exiting through a nifty port near the bottom of the downtube, the same port that also provides access to your Shimano Di2 battery should you want to go electric one day.
Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore
Two axle positions require two brake caliper mountain positions.

Like most companies, Rocky Mountain has put a plastic downtube guard to work to keep hard pointy things from doing any terminal damage, and there's a shark gill-esque plastic shield that is fitted inside of the v-shaped cutout where the carbon frame splits to go around the shock.



Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore
  The Maiden's 200mm of rear wheel travel is controlled by Rocky Mountain's Smoothlink suspension design.

The Maiden's Suspension Explained

Rocky Mountain has been putting their four-bar patented Smoothlink suspension design to use for many years now, and they're not shy about saying that it is different to other four-bar designs out there: note that the rear pivot is positioned in front of and ever-so-slightly above the rear axle, one reason why Rocky claim Smoothlink is ''supple yet [more] supportive through a wider range of gears than conventional single pivot or other four-bar suspension configurations.''

Rocky also says that the Maiden's chainstay pivot is located where it is to help put the virtual pivot near infinity at sag, and also to control where in the stroke the chain growth occurs

It's no surprise that this design is also put to work on the 200mm-travel Maiden rather than the Flatline's simpler linkage-driven, single pivot setup. Rocky says that the system has been tuned for the Maiden's rowdy intentions and much longer travel, with a progressive stroke that they claim splits the difference between a flatter, more linear system and one that ramps up too quickly to allow riders to use all of the bike's travel when needed.

This could be noteworthy given that the stock bikes all come with a coil-sprung shock that doesn't allow for easy ramp-up tuning like an air-sprung unit would by using volume spacers.
Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore
The lower shock mount is home to a four-way adjustable chip that can be used to tune the bike's handling without altering how the suspension feels.




3 Questions With the Ken Perras, Rocky Mountain Product Manager


Mike Levy: Rocky Mountain stated that the Maiden hasn't been designed as only a pure downhill race rig, but also a bike that's fun to ride in the bike park. What sort of things were done to make this so?

Ken Perras: There are three key design features that come to mind that makes the Maiden a good choice for bike park riding. We have adjustable geometry with our Ride-4 chip. This gives the Maiden one-degree of adjustability in the head tube and 10mm in bottom bracket drop, and greatly affects how lively and responsive you want it to feel. We offer the ability to build the Maiden in either 26'' or 27.5'' wheel sizes with our two wheel positions in the seat stay and the headset cup that installs in the bottom of the headtube.

These two adjustments keep the exact same geometry between both wheel sizes, so there is no compromise in handling. Many riders still prefer 26'' wheels for their strength and ease of moving the bike around. The last point is durability, which is covered below.


Levy: Most people think of low weight when they see a full carbon fiber frame but, at 9.2lbs (with a shock), the Maiden isn't exactly svelte. Would it be fair to say that weight wasn't at the top of your priority list when designing the Maiden?

Perras: The top priority for us, as the Maiden is our first full carbon downhill bike, was to build a strong and reliable frame. We have a world-class roster of DH and freeride athletes at Rocky Mountain, such as Wade Simmons, Geoff Gulevich, Thomas Vanderham, Remi Gauvin, and Vaea Verbeeck, racing World Cups, competing in Rampage, and generally rallying their bikes all over the globe.

We know what these guys do with their bikes so we chose to go with a design that won’t let them and our paying customers down when it comes time to ride. We have the experience in carbon design and manufacturing, but we didn’t want to skimp on the pivot points.

We use very large and high-quality black oxide Enduro MAX bearings at all pivots. We use large diameter pivot hardware. In the two pivots that see the majority of the loads (lower and upper main pivots), we use our Pipelock axles that lock the hardware to the frame, creating a very rigid and robust pivot system.
Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore
Big bearings require big pivot hardware.


Levy: A lot of riders probably consider BOS suspension to be quite exotic, especially those in North America. Why did Rocky go with BOS instead of Fox or RockShox for all of the builds except the X-Fusion-sprung Maiden Park?

Perras: The reason for the BOS spec was simple; they have a long history of building high-end suspension products that have proven themselves over many championships. The simple tooled adjusters required a more focused approach to unlocking the high-tech performance of their forks and shocks, of which they deliver in spades. Additionally, the one-year oil change and two-year full-service intervals mean more time to ride.

As exotic as BOS might seem, they have made great strides in becoming more accessible to the general consumer by partnering up with more service centers. For North America, as an example, there is Suspensionwerx in Vancouver, BC, S4 suspension in St-Jerome, QC, and QBP in the USA.




Specifications
Specifications
Release Date 2016
Price $6999
Travel 200
Rear Shock BOS STOY RARE. SMOOTHLINK DESIGN 200MM. LO SPEED REBOUND / HI + LO SPEED COMPRESSION / HYDRAULIC BUMP STOP
Fork BOS IDYLLE AIR 27.5. 200MM. AIR SPRING / OPEN BATH CARTRIDGE / LO SPEED REBOUND / HI + LO SPEED COMPRESSION
Headset FSA ORBIT C-40: IS42MM TOP / 52MM
Cassette SHIMANO CS-5700 11-28T 10SPD
Crankarms RACE FACE ATLAS CINCH 165MM 34T DIRECT MOUNT
Chainguide E*THIRTEEN TRS+ ISCG05
Bottom Bracket RACE FACE TEAM DH PRESS FIT BB107
Chain SHIMANO HG95 10SPD
Rear Derailleur SHIMANO SAINT SHADOW PLUS 10SPD
Shifter Pods SHIMANO SAINT RAPID FIRE I- SPEC 1X10SPD
Handlebar RACE FACE ATLAS 3/4 RISE 35MM X 800MM X 9° SWEEP
Stem RMB DIRECT MOUNT CNC 15MM RISE X 45MM
Grips ROCKY MOUNTAIN LOCK ON DH
Brakes SHIMANO SAINT
Hubs STAN'S NEO
Spokes DT SWISS COMPETITION
Rim STAN'S ZTR RAPID 30 TUBELESS READY
Tires MAXXIS DHRII 3C MAXX GRIP 27.5" X 2.4"
Seat WTB SILVERADO SL
Seatpost RACE FACE TURBINE 30.9 X 400MM

Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore








Handling

It can take a lot of work to feel like you're getting the most out of a relatively tame trail when riding a downhill bike. So many are only about beeps, course tape, and the straightest line possible, which is all well and good if you live and die for zip-tying a number plate onto your handlebar on Sunday mornings. Take away the clock and the pressure, and you're left with a bike that might be easy to ride fast, but that's also about as playful as a sloth on Xanax.

Yes, I know that pure downhill race bikes are a lot of fun, and I know that you can jump and send it over anything you want when you're on yours, but I also know that there's a big difference in handling between a bike made purely to race the clock and one that's also down for a bit a fun.

The Maiden is very much down for some fun.


Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore
  The Maiden is a natural jumper, which quickly led to some airborne antics.


While Rocky Mountain's new downhill bike may not have that all-out aggressive feel to it, it most certainly makes the most of terrain that other bikes of similar travel would probably just gloss over. The Maiden is easy to pick up and place, which makes it great at sudden line changes, be it to cross over the trail to hit an otherwise hard to reach lip, or maybe to come through the inside of a corner that a less accepting DH rig would prefer to stay to the outside of. This makes the Maiden a hell of a lot of fun on a trail with multiple line options to choose from, especially if said trail is full of sneaky insides or littered with lips, places where it makes bikes like the V10 or Supreme DH V4 feel like they have double pinch flats and are missing their chains.

And speaking of jumping, the Maiden could be the most predictable and one of the best flying downhill bike out there. Not only is the Rocky surprisingly easy to get off the ground relative to its 200mm of travel, but it also flies in such a steady, neutral, and easy going fashion that it's likely to turn even the most fearful jumper into a fearless park rat who trades in their cross-country bike for a lift pass.
bigquotesThe Maiden and you could be a marriage made in heaven if you spend more time in the bike park than you do at home.


The tradeoff for all that Bilzerian-like eagerness to party is that the Maiden just doesn't feel like a true downhill race bike. It doesn't have that stick-ability on extremely rough and fast tracks like the V10 or Commencal, and because of that, it's not quite as eager to hold a line in those situations. The Maiden is a downhill sled, so it can obviously smash a corner with ease, and it can probably be taken through a set of tight berms faster than other downhill bikes, but it's a different story when the corner is full of roots, rocks, or braking bumps rather than a skill-equalizing berm that makes everyone feel like a hero.


Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore
  There are faster downhill bikes, but not many that are as fun as the Maiden.


So, how does the Maiden compare to other bikes in the same class?

The Maiden's suspension, along with its handling, make it very different to bikes like Santa Cruz's V10, the GT Fury, or the new Commencal. Those are machines that, while obviously capable in any manner, do seem to only want to go as fast as possible, regardless of what's between them and the bottom of the mountain. They'd prefer to stay low and go fast, whereas the Maiden very obviously likes to log a good amount of time in the air during its way down the mountain. The 200mm-travel Rocky does feel like less of a pure DH race bike because of this, which isn't a surprise given how that was Rocky's intentions with the Maiden. And while this doesn't mean that the Maiden is any better or worse than those more race-focused machines, it most certainly does mean that it's different.

While the Maiden probably isn't the ideal choice for someone who takes their racing serious enough to train and travel for it, it's still a capable rig. Do you buy a race license every season? Then I'm not convinced that this bike is for you. However, the Maiden and you could be a marriage made in heaven if you spend more time in the bike park than you do at home, or if your weekends are all about sessioning booters and doing your best two-wheeled Ken Block impressions.


Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore
  It may be agile and playful for a downhill bike, but that comes at the expense pure speed and stability compared to more race-focused rigs.


Suspension

To a lot of riders, especially those in North America, getting to spend time on a BOS fork and shock is akin to saddling up on an albino crocodile - it's exotic, rare, and everyone is going to notice it. Is it the Sunn and Nico Vouilloz connection? The rally racing history? Either way, there's something about this Toulouse-made suspension that makes you think you're going to go faster if you have it on your bike.

But while BOS suspension might be out of the ordinary to many, setting it up and making adjustments certainly won't be. The BOS Idylle fork is air-sprung, and it allows riders to tinker with low-speed rebound, and both low- and high-speed compression via three external dials, which are all common adjustments that most people are familiar with. The latter two damper adjustments felt like they provided quite a narrow tuning range, especially the low-speed compression, and the fork required a bit firmer of a spring-rate than would have been ideal to keep it up in its stroke. This meant that it sacrificed a touch of initial bump sensitivity in favor of some increased support. The low-speed rebound dial also ended up being backed out a bit more than expected, with the Idylle seeming to track the ground better at a slightly quicker return speed than a BoXXer or Fox 40 would prefer.


Rocky Mountain Maiden review test Photo by James Lissemore


While the fork didn't overly impress, the coil-sprung Stoy RaRe shock felt like an ideal match for the Maiden's rear-end. That isn't a surprise given that the Maiden was intended to be used with a coil-sprung shock. ''The bike was designed with the linearity a coil shock in mind. You'll find that it’s one of the more progressive DH bikes around, with the exception of the YT,'' explained Ken Perras, Rocky Mountain Product Manager, of the Maiden's rear-end. Does that mean that riders wanting either the weight savings or adjustability of an air-sprung shock are out of luck? It doesn't sound like it: ''The new generation of air shocks are quite linear feeling, so we haven’t encountered any issues with it being too progressive,'' Perras said. ''For example, Remi Gauvin runs up to 190 PSI with six volume bands in a Float X2, and Thomas runs 205 PSI but uses the stock four bands.''

Much like the fork, the Maiden seemed to really like a slightly quicker rebound speed out back, further enforcing the bike's preference for popping up over top of things rather than plowing straight through them as so many other downhill sleds seem to respond best to. A slower rebound setting only took away from this, but without adding to the Maiden's stability or willingness to track over rough ground, and it's better to amplify a bike's best qualities rather than try to turn it into something that it isn't.



Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesThere are faster bikes to choose from if you only have racing on the brain, but few that can match the Rocky's jumping abilities and willingness to play. This is a bike for a rider who spends their days in the bike park, and who measures success by how big the gap was rather than their race result. - Mike Levy




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About the Reviewer
Stats: Age: 34 • Height: 5'10” • Inseam: 33" • Weight: 165lb • Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Mike Levy spent most of the 90s and early 2000s racing downhill bikes and building ill-considered jumps in the woods of British Columbia before realizing that bikes could also be pedaled for hours on end to get to some pretty cool places. These days he spends most of his time doing exactly that, preferring to ride test bikes way out in the local hills rather than any bike park. Over ten years as a professional mechanic before making the move to Pinkbike means that his enthusiasm for two wheels extends beyond simply riding on them, and his appreciation for all things technical is an attribute that meshes nicely with his role of Technical Editor at Pinkbike.



149 Comments

  • 207 16
 That almost 15k Canadian for a bike.that's insane this thing better give head and make sandwiches for that price
  • 21 3
 ..........only sandwiches??
  • 11 3
 For starters. At least.
  • 14 22
flag Extremmist (Jul 11, 2016 at 6:09) (Below Threshold)
 I didn't try sandwiches, but when I was forced to use the front brake only (the rear one was leaking) on my RM Slayer, I could probably toast a bread on the front rotor (when I tried to touch it, it burned through my leather glove).
  • 41 8
 its 12k Canadian for the maiden unlimited, 8k canadian for the maiden world cup, 6k Candian for maiden Pro and 5399 Canadian for Maiden Park. Pretty decent range for a full carbon DH bike.
  • 59 13
 @makripper: These prices are why aluminum frame options still need to be offered... Carbon is over rated and over priced...
  • 18 6
 @millsr4: Those are in CANADIAN. Do the conversion. $4000 USD for a brand new Carbon framed DH bike is more than reasonable.
  • 16 21
flag torero (Jul 11, 2016 at 8:03) (Below Threshold)
 Where is an aluminum frame? This bike is too expensive
  • 11 11
 @makripper: Actually they listed it in USD and they said it costs $4,499 USD. That is still far too expensive for a companie's cheapest downhill bike. Perceptions like yours that $4500 for a new bike is acceptable is the problem. I work in manufacturing and there is no reason affordable and capable aluminum versions can't be offered. Carbon isn't as great as some make it out too be... If you ask me from what I've seen and from my own number crunching I feel the average price of a full susser should be closer to $3,000 not $5,000... this CAN be achieved with aluminum!
  • 13 7
 @millsr4: If you go on the actual RM website you will see it displayed correctly. Try not to believe everything you see on pinkbike.

If you want an aluminum dh bike you have to look elsewhere. there are a plethora of options out there. 4k is very reasonable for a DH bike. let alone one with a carbon frame. I think they did a great job here, look at what 3k USD or Cad gets you for any other company... I know Giant has an aluminum framed glory for around that mark with a domain and kage and all bottom of the barrel gear. go buy that.
  • 9 12
 @makripper: The point I was trying to make is that the general trend of pricing needs to change. The fact that these price points are standard is whats the matter... Any company outside of niche brands has the resources to put out product that isn't so astronomically priced, its due to numerous reasons (not least of which is people's acceptance of these price trends) that they don't. They fact that you can even spend over $10,00 on any vehicle is ridiculous.
  • 11 14
 @millsr4: they've been around this kind of standard for a decade at least. If it's too pricy for you, buy used.
  • 4 1
 @Extremmist: why would you knowingly touch a white hot disc rotor??! Lol.
Maybe you were thinking of cooking some sausages? (fingers ;-))
  • 8 7
 @makripper: I'm pretty sure you couldn't buy a $10,000+ bicycle over a decade ago... and if you could they were too expensive then and now!!! I do buy used for exactly that reason, and that I like to build and tinker with my bikes a lot... but I shouldn't have to buy used!
  • 12 5
 @millsr4: is that a joke? Of course you could! Basic shit xc bikes were 6 k in the early 90's get learnt bro
  • 3 7
flag makripper (Jul 11, 2016 at 17:32) (Below Threshold)
 @millsr4: and if u do buy used stop your complaining about new bikes on bike reviews hahahahaha
  • 4 9
flag torero (Jul 12, 2016 at 2:50) (Below Threshold)
 Because of idiots like markripper prices they are so high. There retards willing to pay.
  • 4 3
 No one is forcing you to spend 10k on rocky's top build. The idea that all bikes should be affordable for all people is a ridiculous idea. Its akin to the logic that everyone should be able to afford a mansion. Sounds like a bunch of people that don't know the value of working and saving for something. And if you can't justify spending your hard earned cash on a top tier bike then you probably don't need one.
  • 1 3
 @jimo746: @jimo746: Because you don't know whether the rotor is hot unless you touch it? I did it many times before; after a long descent I quickly tapped the rotor a few times with my fingers (with gloves of course) to feel whether it was warm or not. If it was, I cooled it town with water from my reservoir.
If it's really hot, the water would instantly evaporate with a hissing sound, but if not, you wouldn't know if the rotor was warm or not.
  • 4 3
 @millsr4: Exactly this! The issue is probably that the alu version would weigh almost the same at less cost.... hence no market for the overpriced carbon version - except, of course, those with money to burn.
  • 2 2
 @millsr4:
Exactly !!
  • 6 1
 Who are these people who are negging guys for correctly pointing out that we the consumer are getting ripped off by the bike industry?
  • 91 3
 More DH rigs reviews please
  • 21 41
flag karoliusz (Jul 11, 2016 at 6:25) (Below Threshold)
 and maybe some cross motorbikes... if we start talking >10k$
  • 15 16
 @karoliusz: its 12k Canadian for the maiden unlimited, 8k canadian for the maiden world cup, 6k Candian for maiden Pro and 5399 Canadian for Maiden Park.

Pretty decent range for a full carbon DH bike.

all but 1 in the range over 10k Canadian...
  • 2 2
 ^^^
  • 4 2
 @karoliusz: I don't know why you've been negged. A mountain bike for the price of a motorcycle?! When will the bike industry stop ripping us off?
  • 48 1
 What is a ztr arch ex doing at the back of this beast? Poor thing... !
  • 5 3
 Exactly!
  • 4 0
 pretty obvious someone blew up the stock ztr flow. see the front of the bike.
  • 10 0
 It doesn't match the front wheel, and the specs call for stans rapid 30 which is a beefier rim. I'm guessing they blew up the rear wheel and had to replace it with whatever was lying around.
  • 4 1
 @srjacobs: my bad you're right. it's the Rapid for the world cup.
  • 23 0
 "Riders also have the ability to tune the Maiden's head angle in 0.25° increments, taking it from 63° – 63.8° in four steps,"

Math people. It's really not that hard. Have another try.
  • 25 1
 Di2 on a dh bike? Hmmmm
  • 44 0
 they didn't even talk about climbing ability!
  • 6 2
 i checked their homepage, no di2 spec on the unlimited, sram 7spd it is. must be a mistake bei the reviewer.
  • 6 0
 The unlimited model doesn't have Di2, they made a mistake. The frame is Di2 compatible though, and you can store the battery in the little compartment in the downtube.
  • 4 5
 I was talking to a top Pro at the EWS Ireland and he said he wouldnt ride DI2 if he wasnt made to by Shimano. If a top enduro rider doesnt see the point of it, then WTF is it doing on a DH bike?
  • 9 2
 Want! I'm almost 6'2" tall and sat on a L and XL at Targhee resort recently. The large felt absolutely tiny and the XL would probably work but I might want a headset cup extender dealy. Way cool bike that looks burly AF and since I'm not racing at world cup speeds or even close, I think a more playful bike like this fits the bill. It seems like the newest DH bikes are not meant for the average Joe anymore.
  • 9 0
 Average joe bikes weren't $4k for a frame though, either.
  • 1 0
 I am a more vertically reduced 5'9" and have been riding a bike with a 445 reach recently and in no way does it feel too long (30-35mm stem) - I wouldnt mind trying longer infact but that puts me on the size XL for this frame which is a bit mad!
  • 3 0
 I'm 6'2", and I ended up on an XL. I've always previously had Larges in all my bikes (including my RM Altitude), but the rep said go with the XL and he was right.

Unlimited doesn't come with Di2, it's SRAM XO1 and Reynolds carbon wheels on that one.

My son got the World Cup and loves it! He's riding better than he ever has on it. Not racing, but hitting everything at the parks.
  • 1 0
 How does it compare to an Aurum size wise, if you know? I'm 6'2" and probably going to be renting one (Maiden) at Whistler for a few days. I've been on a large Aurum, which worked but it definitely could have been bigger
  • 1 0
 @src248: I haven't tried on an Aurum, no dealer in town here. I just know that the trend has been for the manufacturers to downsize the sizing labels on their bikes, thus everybody seems to be going up in size from what they used to ride. That article on the V-10 that was on Pinkbike a couple weeks ago pretty much stated the same thing.

I would suggest going bigger, the industry trend has been longer top tubes for more room, and it certainly works for me.
  • 1 0
 @sledMXer: Looked up the charts, the XL is still quite small. Might rent a Glory instead, the large is bigger than an XL Maiden.
  • 1 0
 Who is actually offering those reach extender dealeos to the working class?
  • 1 0
 Ya the bikes fit very small I am 6"2 and the XL is too small. Geo feels more like bikes from 2012-14 i.e. not low long and slack. But but for people under 6"2
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: did you go with large? I'm 5'8 and looking between large and medium. I ride a medium altitude c50 with 170 fork and 35mm stem.
  • 7 0
 Very promising ride from Rocky mountain. sounds like the main audience would be shuttles and park riding. Good to know peeps are still making fun bikes.
  • 6 0
 why has no one else though to create vertical axle adjustment? it's so obvious, when someone says it out loud. if fork manufacturers did the same, people could run new forks on old bikes!
  • 11 0
 Banshee have a similar system at the dropout
  • 3 0
 As for the fork I reckon it wouldn't work as you'd need two 20mm axle slots 12mm apart. Hence the use of an external H'set cup for a 26" inch fork, ZS cup for 650
But, yes a simple axle desighn like this an the banshee would be a massive selling point for my next DH frame as I'm 26 fo life. Also love that RM have designed a frame as much for FR as DH,
  • 11 4
 Why is the weight in imperial units? Canada and most of the rest of the world uses the metric system. All of the spacing measurements are in metric. What's the deal?
  • 13 7
 USA! USA! USA!
  • 9 4
 I like all this talk about not being aggresive enough for racing, meanwhile luke strobels winning dh races on a meaty trail bike with a dh fork on it, shawn neer won a pro grt and managed multiple podiums on a trail bike with the same dh fork set up . Maybey "not aggresive enough" is code for " not compensating for my lack of skill enough"
  • 8 0
 I think its more of a not as aggressive as other racing bikes out there but still would great for racing. That's the impression I got. Downhill bikes seem to lean toward 2 categories, pure race machine or fun park bike, obviously both would be perfectly capable at one or the other but each can have better attributes for certain activities
  • 10 1
 The plus side to riding a crappy old bike (like me) is you have built-in excuses to getting schooled, and you get bonkers props for shredding past other riders. Your ego takes a back seat with the bike but gets a boost if you have any skill. Empty pockets + competitive streak = getting more out of less, got a lifetime of that.

Almost makes me question dropping $$ on a real DH rig, in case I don't ride considerably faster.. almost. The day I stop catching other riders and they start catching me I will make that decision. Or if my poor fatigued frame finally snaps- I wear head to toe protection in expectation of being sent into the trees eventually.
  • 6 2
 Erm, nope. It means not as capable of going fast in rowdy terrain. Everyone is always pulling this "but so and so won a dh race on a trail bike" and totally glossing over the fact that the race in question was on a ridiculously tame track.
  • 1 0
 @gabriel-mission9: But still absolutely very capable, in the right riders hands it could be a race winner. Its just not as much of a plow sled like the v10. If your only concern is winning races that may not be the right bike but if you like to do other stuff with your DH bike and do some local races as well then this could be a beauty bike.
  • 3 1
 @gabriel-mission9: Exactly! i'm so tired of people bringing that up! that track was only called DH because you didn't have to pedal up it lol but now everyone who owns an evil always has to bring up the fact that it can win DH races lol
  • 5 3
 @gabriel-mission9: have you actually ridden the angel fire track? or the PNW tracks strobel won on? "ridiculously tame" made me LOL
  • 6 1
 @weirc: You mean the extended fire road sprint with the odd rock thrown in that Strobel won on? No I havent ridden it, I did watch the race however. I still stick by my "tame" comment.
  • 1 0
 @weirc: I've ridden the Angel Fire course many times. While it's not super steep, it has a couple of extremely rocky sections and a couple of very high speed sections. I think most people would prefer to be on a DH bike.
  • 2 2
 @gabriel-mission9: I believe you're talking about skibowl and no video will do that justice, easily the gnarliest DH track in the PNW. Come and ride it before you make your armchair racer comments.
  • 2 1
 @DirtyHal: Its no Champery tho is it? I have ridden Champery, I have also seen videos of pros riding it, so I can see the difference between video and reality. Videos of Champery make videos of Skibowl (if that is the track in question) look like a relatively flat fire road with the odd rock section or two thrown in...
  • 2 2
 @Motoracer31 This guy ^ has no idea...
  • 1 0
 @DirtyHal: haha yea its not champery, but its still pretty got damn gnarly.
  • 1 0
 @DirtyHal: Ever considered you have no idea? lol maybe your just bitch and you consider tame stuff gnarly? tons of people have called that track tame and yes videos make it look more chill but its still not anything like Champery or actual WC tracks.
  • 5 0
 If you can win on a trail bike that downhill track is tame and there's no two ways about it.
  • 5 0
 So I ride a 2015 Glory, is a glory a fun bike or just a fast bike?.... These bikes look cool and there's a shop in my town that uses them as rentals. I think they should have gone with fox or RS suspension so local small shops would be familiar with servicing the suspension. I also think they need an aluminum version.
  • 2 0
 I upgraded to a Glory from an old Jamis, and it seems both more stable over chunk and more playful and easier to air out. So both I guess. It's also pretty damn light for a DH bike, I think the alloy version is ~8.5 lbs with a coil shock, so lighter than this carbon bike.
  • 1 0
 @dthomp325: I took out my tubes and added Stan's Jizz and am at 33 lbs 3 ounces with Race Face Atlas pedals on. That's an XL frame, not bad, I've certainly ridden much heavier. Glory is a great bike too.
  • 5 0
 When you look at how big Canada is to gravity riding an how few Canadians there are in the world cup, compared to Euro countries....
That sums up the ethos of this bike

And I love it
Salute to RM for this bike that can jump and take 26"!!
(BUT, an allu version for poor people would be sweet)
  • 5 0
 We're too busy having fun and being the best freeriders to race dh :3
  • 4 0
 I agree completely with this review. I was loaned one for a week, used it on at Whistler and on the shore and I had a huge smile on my face the whole time - this is just a really, really fun bike. To me it felt like a much smaller bike when I was in anything tight, or in the air, but anytime I got in trouble - it still had the forgiveness of a big big. It's nimble, predictable, controllable, forgiving, and actually doesn't pedal too badly (for a dh bike) - basically everything an ordinary mortal would look for in a DH bike.
  • 1 0
 Did you went bigger frame or stayed the same I'm 5'8" debating between medium and large
  • 3 0
 This review only makes me want one more. I own a 2008 Flatline and am always impressed how it keeps asking for more. Nice to see RM kept the reliability and dependability in the design. Plus it's 12 pounds lighter than my Flatline!
  • 4 1
 The bikes geo really isnt much different than other dh bikes, with the exception of the chainstay being a bit shorter.the rest of the geo is pretty standard, hell the bikes reach is actually longer than the same size session, v10, commecnal, transtion 500. The HA is adjustable down to the standard 63. So my question is what makes it so incappable of racing.
  • 9 7
 I like this bike. It was about time RM came up with a new serious gravity-intended machine.

However, this full-carbon bike with BOS suspension sells for 11K greens, and here we have a review saying it is not the fastest. OK, I get it, it is actually very subjective (I would like to know what are the "more race oriented rigs" this has been compared against), but is it basically saying that RM is offering an 11K carbon superbike just for "fun" and it is not actually very race-oriented?
  • 7 2
 it says in the article...the more racey steeds are something like the commencal, the V10, and, i would suggest, intense m16, madison saracen, the lapierre...
  • 24 3
 Also keep in mind that people said the same thing about the YT Tues until this year. In the simple minds of people, if it's not on the WC circuit it's not a proper bike, like it has nothing to do with sponsors. And with all due respect, I doubt that most of the people buying bikes are held back by it's capabilities. We all think we're much better than we actually are. Go try it out if you can and make your own opinion of it.
  • 6 0
 @MaxAlary: word. hell, i own an intense M9, and i'm the one holding the bike back.
  • 2 1
 @MaxAlary: While I agree most people can't ride carbon DH superbikes to their fullest potential, that is why there should be aluminum models, or ones at least priced reasonably.
  • 1 0
 Review mentions bikes it isnt simliar to but not others it is.(similar to)
  • 6 2
 @MaxAlary: Ive never heard anyone say that about the Tues....Its always been pegged as a damn good race bike. Long before there was ever one racing WC's...
  • 1 0
 I like it, not every body wants to be a world cup racer. Bikes like this and 'park' bikes are definitely getting my attention and my £ when time comes for my next frame
  • 6 0
 Love the huge bearings, just so brutal looking.
  • 4 0
 The Maiden came to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and its all out of bubblegum.
  • 7 2
 Ellsworth™ should pay attention – this is how you make a big rocker link look good.
  • 2 0
 Looking at the size of the pivot bearings, I wonder why there is such a strict adherence to traditional ball bearings, which tolerate little lateral stress when attempting to minimize flex. Angular contact bearings are not much deeper but are virtually indestructible. They can handle huge rotational and lateral (thrust) loads, and will take misalignment without an increase in friction. There might be a tiny bit more resistance over a ball bearing in a perfectly straight plane, but unless you never turn your bike that goes out the window. Just a thought, designers- you can have that one for free.
  • 7 1
 Saint di2 coming soon
  • 5 2
 Saw lots of these at whistler this past week. The paint scheme makes it look old when its sitting among all the other bikes (i know thats a minor thing)
  • 4 0
 Ditch that lame fuckin bos suspension Put some fox on it will drop a 1000 bucks And ya get better bike
  • 1 0
 How does it ride compared to the kona operator, or a norco aurumn?

No seriously, other than being an fsr bike (kona is not, Aurumn is), how does it ride compared to my 2014 Kona Carbon (pronounced snap crackle pop) operator.
  • 8 4
 That made me want a V-10 even more than I already do.
  • 2 0
 What happened DS? Thought you loved your old Flatline?
  • 3 0
 @RatHunter83: I did, and I would honestly love to try out the Maiden. My remark was mostly a joke, pointed at the fact that the V10 is mentioned so many times in this article as the benchmark DH ripper. I love the V10. It's a sexy bike and it's racing pedigree is something that appeals to me. The Maiden isn't what I would call "sexy" but it has a retro-cool kind of vibe that I like. Again, I would love to try it out.
  • 5 1
 ....and still no Factory DH racing team?
  • 2 0
 "...if you live and die for zip-tying a number plate onto your handlebar on Sunday mornings"

who zip ties his number to the handlebar on a DH bike?
  • 1 0
 Some friends of mine ride them, and absolutely love them. They look pretty killer in all black, though I still hate how the top of the rear triangle doesn't match the top tube... >.
  • 1 0
 I'm sorry but I can't believe that their Ride4 chip can actually make a noticeable difference to how the bike feels, correct me If I'm wrong but that sounds like total marketing bs
  • 6 4
 The only downhill bike to be called "World Cup" in the title, yet as far as I'm aware, there aren't any in the World Cup
  • 7 1
 Saw one flying by last weekend in Lenzerheide. Don't know if it was the WC edition or else. But it was definitely a Maiden. Article also states it (Vea Verbeeck)
  • 5 3
 It's a fast fukkin bike. don't try keep up with Ken when he's riding his maiden.
  • 2 0
 "The (s)toy felt like an ideal match for the maiden's rear end".
playfulness is everything
  • 3 0
 I rode one at Whistler, solid bike, good jumper, tad heavy though.
  • 4 1
 This is one of the most beautiful frames now on the market. Love it.
  • 3 0
 Oh dear good! Am I seeing the IS brake mount?
  • 2 0
 The "Maiden Voyage" video they did for this bike awhile back was pretty rad!!

www.pinkbike.com/video/417984
  • 1 0
 I had a slayer royale ss ..and loved it. Yah it was a little heavy for 6in travel, but a fun ride. This frame definitely has my interest piqued.
  • 1 0
 The World Cup spec 2016 is on sale at my local bike shop for $5999NZ($4200US).That really is good value plus we have someone who can service Bos here in NZ.
  • 5 2
 such a goodlookin bike
  • 2 1
 "Bilzerian-like eagerness to party"

What, like behind a van with open doors?

Fnar.
  • 2 2
 There are sooo many comparable bikes on the market far below that msrp....yea right am i about to spend the equivalent to a house down payment on a DH rig
  • 2 0
 But what would Tippie say?
  • 2 0
 so its not a race bike... but its says world cup next to its name...
  • 2 0
 wondering what world cup rocky was planning on competing in...
  • 1 0
 nice 2005 reach....how can you develop a bike for four years and come out with something this ridculous
  • 2 0
 Seriously guys why would you want electric shifting on a downhill bike
  • 4 2
 very smexy.
  • 11 10
 YT TUES pro CF ... All air and carbon, for less money Big Grin
  • 6 3
 but Di2, saint and smoothwall?
  • 6 3
 And win world cups...
  • 7 1
 @andreko: I'm almost positive Gwin could win World Cups on this bike.
  • 2 1
 @DARKSTAR63: me too... With no chain!
  • 2 0
 Like the article mentioned, YT bikes are all crazy progressive. I'm sure it works great for Gwin, but not so sure it'd work for me.
  • 1 0
 @dthomp325: c'mon murica
  • 2 0
 *mounting positions
  • 3 2
 carbon rockies need spare chainstays....
  • 3 2
 Looks like an updated, beefed up Ellsworth Dare
  • 3 0
 Rear end is ugly...but hey, its reported to be a fun bike so that takes precedent.
  • 1 0
 Where can I see coverage of this Bike Park World Cup? Sounds rad.
  • 3 1
 26" for life!
  • 2 0
 Nice Aurum.
  • 1 0
 Those pivots gave me eye cancer Frown
  • 2 0
 looks like a session
  • 2 1
 I want the Di2
  • 1 1
 heard that, wish I didnt hear that, but I just heard that
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