Everything You Need to Know About Rocky Mountain's New Instinct and Pipeline

Aug 24, 2017
by Mike Levy  

Rocky Mountain has been busy overhauling their high-end mountain bikes over the last few years, with the Element, Altitude, and Slayer already getting reworked. Now it's the Instinct and Pipeline's turn.

Both bikes get a completely redesigned frame - that they share - with different geometry and more travel than their predecessors, and they can also be configured with either 29'' or 27.5+ wheels and tires. Out of the box, the 140mm-travel Instinct is the big-wheeler, while the Pipeline also sports 140mm but rolls on 2.8'' wide, 27.5'' rubber. The two new bikes appear to slot nicely into the 'do everything, even if it's a bit scary' trail bike category; they're designed to be the kind of machines that you can ride all day without feeling like you have to back down from a decent sized trail feature, or like you're slogging around more bike than you might need.

Having not yet ridden either new bike, the above is speculation on my part but it certainly looks to be the case. We'll have both in for long-term testing shortly to find out, but for now you can read all about what's new below.




Photo by Anthony Smith
Thomas Vanderham and Geoff Gulevich in the alpine.

So, what exactly is new?

The short answer is everything, from front to back. Yes, the basic silhouette is the same between the old and new models, but that's where the similarities end. Both the carbon and aluminum frames are all-new, but let's start with the rear suspension.
Rocky Mountain Instinct
Last year's Instinct (shown at right) and Pipeline had 130mm out back, whereas they've both been bumped up to 140mm of travel on the new bikes. Rocky also tweaked the kinematics to provide more progression and sag, they say, which should let riders run a bit softer spring rate for more forgiveness at the top of the stroke.

There's also good news for pedal hounds: Rocky says that the anti-squat number has gone up to ''dramatically improve pedaling efficiency,'' which I'm inclined to believe after spending ages on the new Element, Slayer, and Altitude, all of which get a move on when you put the power down.
2017 Rocky Mountain Instinct
Last year's Instinct might look similar from afar, but the new model is fresh front to back.


Rocky Mountain Instinct and Pipeline
Rocky Mountain Instinct and Pipeline
The Ride-9 system (left) has been moved from the forward shock mount to the link, and Rocky has made some big changes to their Smoothlink suspension layout (right).


But wait, there's more. Just like on the Element and Altitude, they've also moved the Ride-9 chip-in-a-chip geometry and suspension adjustment from the forward shock mount to the alloy link, which sure looks cleaner to me, and all models receive a "size specific tune" for the shocks as well. That means Tiny Mcstubby who buys a small-sized bike doesn't have to deal with the same shock tune that the daddy longlegs on the extra-large needs and vice versa.

There are also carbon and aluminum versions of both the Instinct and Pipeline, so you can save some coin but still get the same suspension design and geometry.


What Else Is New?

The new Instinct and Pipeline also get treated to a whole bunch of stuff that's carried over from some of Rocky's latest bikes, including the sharp looking single-sided blind pivots, Boost spacing, metric shock readiness, and Rocky's nifty Spirit Guide that bolts onto the top of the drive-side chainstay. There are also two - not three - ISCG 05 tabs in case you want to run a burlier guide, and people like me who would rather not ride than ride with a backpack will be stoked to see that a water bottle fits inside of the front triangle, even with a reservoir shock.


Rocky Mountain Instinct and Pipeline
Rocky Mountain Instinct and Pipeline
The pint-sized Spirit guide bolts onto the top of the chainstay, just like it does on the longer travel Slayer.


And if batteries are your thing, the frames are ready for all the electronics that you can throw at them. Shimano's Di2 and Fox's Live Valve suspension system (when it eventually does become real) can be run at the same time, along with a dropper post, all without the three interfering with each other.


Need More Travel?

Rocky Mountain has historically offered a BC Edition version of some of their bikes that's a bit more representative of how they set their own rigs up. And given that Rocky's HQ is just short pedal down the road from North Vancouver's famously challenging trails, it's no surprise to see that BC Edition is shorthand for more travel, slacker angles, and a select few burlier components.


Rocky Mountain Instinct
The BC Edition sports 155mm out back and a 160mm Fox 36.


Riders who want a little more oomph from their trail bike might like the looks the Instinct Carbon 90 BC Edition that sees a bump up from 140mm of rear wheel travel to 155mm thanks to a different link (with one travel and geometry position... Ride-1?) and longer stroke shock. There's more travel up front, too, with a 160mm stroke Fox 36, making the Instinct BC Edition very Altitude-esque in my books but with 29" wheels. Sounds like fun.

Photo by Margus Riga
Two Instincts.


There's Fresh Geometry, Too

Yes, of course there is, and it's pretty much what you'd expect: a longer reach, slacker head tube angle, and the bottom bracket is also closer to the deck. The rear-ends have been shortened up as well, and the steep seat tube angles that Rocky has been employing for years and years is still found on both new bikes.

The new large-sized Instinct has a reach of 455mm to 465mm, depending on what setting you're running the bike in, which is 46mm to 39mm longer than last year's Instinct. The new bike's seat tube angle has also gotten a few degrees steeper, which hides a lot of that increased reach when you're seated. The head tube angle has gone from 66.6 - 68.2 degrees to 66 - 67 degrees, or slacker all around in other words.

The new Pipeline, with its 27.5+ wheels, sports similar-ish (but not exactly the same) geometry because the two bikes actually share the same frame, which is why either bike can fit 29'' or 27.5+ wheels and tires.
Rocky Mountain Instinct and Pipeline

Photo by Margus Riga
Jesse Melamed testing the Pipeline's side knobs.

Wait, the Instinct and Pipeline Share The Same Frame?

You bet they do, despite the Instinct coming with 29'' wheels and the Pipeline sporting some 2.8'' wide, 27.5'' rubber. That's a clever move on Rocky's part that's possible thanks to a different lower headset cup, an approach that we've seen other companies take as well and one that means riders can swap from one wheel size to the other if they feel the need.

What's that, you don't swap between wheel sizes? Me neither, but the option to do exactly that is there, and it no doubt saves Rocky some coin as they don't need to make an entirely different front triangle. Last year's Instinct and Pipeline had different rear triangles, but they're the same front to back this time around.


Rocky Mountain Instinct and Pipeline
Tall headset cup for fat 27.5" tires; short headset cup for 29'' wheels and tires - you choose.


Anyone who buys an Instinct will get a second, taller lower headset cup with the bike. Push that baby in and you're ready for the big 27.5+ meat on the front, no fork change required. There's also enough room out back for the same 2.8'' wide rubber or even a low-profile 3" tire.

The Pipeline comes with the tall lower headset cup already installed, of course, but you can swap it out for a standard cup if you want to run normal 29'' wheels.


Rocky Mountain Pipeline
The new Pipeline has 140mm of rear wheel travel and 2.8'' wide Maxxis rubber. In other words, it'll go anywhere.



Yet More Numbers

Rocky provided some weights for us in their press release: a medium-sized Instinct frame is said to come in at a very reasonable 5.09lb (2,310g), and the protectors, chain guide, and axle add another 0.57lb (260g) to that figure. Total weight for Pipeline Carbon 70 is a claimed 29.1lb (13.2kg) for the medium, a number that's roughly par for the course when it comes to bikes with plus-sized rubber.

The numbers that are more important than weight, at least to a lot of us, is pricing. You can buy-in at $2,599 USD for the Pipeline Alloy 30, or go all the way up to $5,899 USD for the Instinct Carbon 90 BC Edition if you're a hell of a lot better at saving money than I am. Pricing for all the models can be found below.

• Instinct Carbon 90 BC Edition: $5,899 USD
• Instinct Carbon 90 BC Edition Frame: $2,799 USD
• Instinct Carbon 70: $5,299 USD
• Instinct Carbon 50: $4,299 USD
• Instinct Carbon 30: $3,649 USD
• Instinct Alloy 70: $4,199 USD
• Instinct Alloy 50: $3,199 USD
• Pipeline Carbon 70: $5,299 USD
• Pipeline Carbon 50: $4,469 USD
• Pipeline Alloy 50: $3,249 USD
• Pipeline Alloy 30: $2,599 USD


The Instinct Range

Rocky Mountain
The top of the line and longer travel Instinct Carbon 90 BC Edition goes for $5,899 USD, and the BC Edition frameset costs $2,799 USD.
Rocky Mountain
$5,299 USD gets you the Instinct Carbon 70.

Rocky Mountain
Instinct Carbon 50 costs $4,299 USD.
Rocky Mountain
The least expensive carbon Instinct is the Carbon 30 at $3,649 USD.

Rocky Mountain
Happy with aluminum? the Instinct Alloy 70 costs $4,199 USD.
Rocky Mountain
The entry point is the $3,199 USD Instinct Alloy 50.


The Pipeline Range

Rocky Mountain
The top of the line 27.5+ bike is the $5,299 USD Pipeline Carbon 70.
Rocky Mountain
$4,469 USD will net you the Pipeline Carbon 50.

Rocky Mountain
The Pipeline Alloy 50 costs $3,249 USD.
Rocky Mountain
It all starts with the $2,599 USD Pipeline Alloy 30.


Photo by Margus Riga


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146 Comments

  • + 64
 First the Altitude release now this? What else does Rocky Mountain have to their sleeve for this year?!?! These bikes are SICK!!! And that 2600 dollar one is gunna be popular I bet.
  • + 6
 There is more...
  • - 6
flag superkeen (Aug 24, 2017 at 8:53) (Below Threshold)
 You missed this one, on the European version of PB only...but a great bit of design! www.pinkbike.com/news/rocky-mountain-altitude-powerplay-emtb-first-ride.html
  • - 8
flag gdnorm (Aug 24, 2017 at 9:34) (Below Threshold)
 Who cares TAAALK ABOUT THE NEW FOLLOWING AAAAAAAAAHHH
  • + 3
 @dugglesthemuddled: but it has a battery...LOL
  • + 4
 @dugglesthemuddled: Europe, you can have all the E-Bikes!
  • + 1
 damn those stylo cranks are ugly!
  • + 1
 .....wondering if that "long shock" swingarm would work on the Altitude for and little extra travel???
  • + 1
 @bvd453: You can run the stock one with a longer eye to eye shock if you are using offset bushings and are willing to give up ride 9 adjustments...
  • + 1
 Still cant believe they havent done a purple and green pipeline to match the old one. Im building one up now for my whistler bike. Best bike ever.
  • - 8
flag sessionman123abc (Aug 25, 2017 at 6:42) (Below Threshold)
 these seat angles suck. Transition and nicolai are the only one in the game with a nice seat angle
  • + 1
 @j-t-g: Considered that, but would prefer to buy a $50 swing arm than another $400 shock
  • + 1
 @bvd453: ok, but that wouldnt work. Rocky is running longer stroke shocks on the bc editions.
  • + 1
 @j-t-g: The BC edition has a longer stroke shock AND a different link than the Instinct. The Altitude has longer stroke than the Instinct. If the links between the Instinct and Altitude are otherwise the same, it stands to reason that the travel would be lengthened if you put the BC link on the Altitude.
  • + 38
 At a time when bike prices are getting out of hand, Rocky Mountain deserves credit for keeping prices in check. That Instinct 30 in carbon with dropper for $3,700 is a great value
  • + 7
 agreed
  • + 0
 Only issue is that is a a RockShox reba not a revelation or a pike... a 32mm stanchion XC fork.
  • + 3
 I'd say the real value is in the C50 model--Fox 34 Grip fork and GX Eagle.
  • + 1
 @bridgermurray: New 140mm Reba based on 32mm Revelation.
  • + 1
 @bridgermurray: it's $3,700...
  • + 25
 Is 27.5+ still a thing?
  • + 33
 No, bashing it is
  • + 10
 I rented this year's Pipeline 750(?) with 27.5 x 2.8 Rekons in Squamish a few weeks ago, and it kinda ripped. Even with all the loose dust, I only had one major washout. Would've been perfect with a tubeless 2.8 DHF.
  • + 7
 @cyclecuse: I put a 2.8" Butcher/Slaughter combo on my Trance and it absolutely shreds. No regrets. It seems that size is the sweet spot.
  • - 1
 Thankfully not, hence why brands aren't really keen to use the term in model titles - just make 29ers with big clearance and an "if you really must" side note to 27+
  • + 8
 @IllestT: that's just it. I was a supporter of B+ since the beginning because I saw so many 29ers (and 275 bikes) that had terrible clearance. Plus, there were lots of people who had bought 29ers and decided they liked the smaller wheels and were kinda stuck. Personally I think every new bike produced should have a flip chip (or some other means) to raise a lower the BB around 275x2.6 or 29x2.5 tires.
  • + 21
 Come by my shop and I'll show you how fast bikes in the 27.5 x 2.8 category fly out the door.

Make a Hardtail with slack geometry, slap a decent fork on it, dropper post and a 1x drivetrain and you have one hell of an easy sell for roughly $1500.00

growing up Hardtails were what all us Groms rode (the days of freeride hardtails) and they all cost about 1000.00 bucks to get something that was gonna survive us bashing them down trails and crashing them into trees. Now you can get those same style hardtails again but now with better parts and some tires with all the traction in the world...yeah If a young teen kid comes in with his parents and he's looking to get the best bike for his money and is eager to grow in the sport You bet your ass I am gonna have him test ride a Plus bike.

And lets be real, everyone is getting back to riding 2.4 and 2.5 tires on their standard bikes especially with Maxxis now having wide track... not much of a difference between 2.5 and 2.8....
  • + 4
 It's still a thing on my HT. For shoulder season slop and snow. The rest of the time on dirt 2.5 is the sweet spot.
  • + 1
 @shredb4dead: it's 100% down to own preference that depends on sht loads of things, nobody is forcing anyone to anything here like it happened with 275 and boost. Not everyone is willing to go to a shop and rent one at a place and time of tge year that makes those tge best thing you can ride. BTW, Plus bikes are not good on snow Wink
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns:....or in fact anything properly off road
  • + 1
 @IllestT: Plus bike scepticism coming from a mud tackling Brit... interesting...
  • - 2
 @2bigwheels: I guess you can push whatever bikes you want to make them move out the door. I'd be choked if I sent my kid to the bike shop with my credit card and he came home with a plus bike that the shop owner steered him towards. Sure, plus bikes are fun, I'd argue all bikes are. But so your clients a favour and sell them bikes that are gonna be relevant in 5 years when the plus size has come and gone again.
  • + 8
 @jbob27: plus bikes are very relevant, I bet a 1000 bucks there are way more tight arses not chosing one while it could benefit them over regular tyre choice than there are folks who are pushed into buying by a sales dude in the shop. Plus bike is not about going downhill and loading corners for fks sake, it's one of the best things you can have for eating miles in terrain. It works best for XC. And XC is THE biggest portion of MTB market. Also, plus can greatly improve riding experience on a bike with crappy suspension, that is bikes under 2k, especially sub 1k hardtails, which again stand for the largest portion of the market. Nothing holds people back more than sticking up their racing nose. Go to a XC comp for kids, muuuuuuch more participants than on Enduro race and well let's not comment on DH races. There are many many kids and teenagers there with quite pricey bikes, how many dropper posts do you see? Maybe one, two. Girls and boys around 12, carbon frame, Sid and carbon seat post up their arse, terrified of a descent. Daddy knows what's fast, daddy knows what works. Daddy saw what Nino Schurter rides. Daddy simply doesn't know his place, Daddy is not Nino Schurter and has no fkng clue how to become even a 1/10th of Nino Schurter.

Plus tyres like everything else have their place, just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's bullsht for everybody. Because you may be in a striking minority and maybe that majority finds your way of riding stupid. The current state of affairs is that most mountain bikers out there are held back by riding too narrow tyres at too high pressures.
  • - 2
 @WAKIdesigns: nahhhh, plus bikes are balls
  • + 3
 @jbob27: How do you have any idea what is going to be relevant in 5 years? None of us do. I'm running a new fuel and it can do both standard tire sizes and plus, and guess what the bike looks fine not running 2.8-3.0 tires...

So if your kid comes in and he's sees an aggressive hardtail with 2.8 tires on it he's now gotta bike he can run anything from 2.4 to 3.0 on.... I'm not sure How I am doing your kid wrong by putting him on a bike that to be honest will always stay relevant as the Hardtail has continued to do and now can be ridden with options.
  • - 1
 @WAKIdesigns: are pro xc riders riding plus size? No. Therefore not the best.
2.5 width is not too narrow for anyone. And now days you can run 15 psi with wide rims, depending on your weig. Under 20 at least. So don't give me that. Those points certainly aren't true.
Maybe they will be relevant in 5 years wh knows. But if you want your kid to learn how to ride a bike that's going to apply to all genres of biking, the answer isn't plus.
  • + 1
 @2bigwheels: ok, hardtail plus would be the one that I maybe could accept. Especially if you can run different widths. I just don't see the need for plus. If someone catches onto biking quickly, they will outgrow plus size handling very quickly...
  • + 4
 Nobody is saying that bike NEED to have Plus tires. We're just saying we want OPTIONS. If you had a bike that could magically be the perfect weapon for XC, and then magically turn into a DH bike, and it only cost $1000, would you want that? Wouldnt having a single bike to do everything be awesome? Why do people fight against versatility? That's all that we're asking for. More versatility. More tire options. More wheel options. More travel options. All on the same bike. Stop letting the manufacturers pigeonhole you by limiting you options.
  • + 2
 @jbob27: I think you should go get a bike with 2.8 tires and take it out and rip some trail. It's pretty f*cking impressive how hard you can push those bikes.
  • + 3
 @2bigwheels: Agree totally. I ride my 2.8" tires in the park without issue. Just have to make sure that you are running the right pressure and a using a tire with decent casing and sidewalls.

Saying you can't ride aggressively on plus tires is a load of shit IMO.
  • - 1
 @SectionThirtyOne: then why don't pros ride them? That's a legit question.
  • + 2
 @jbob27: Pros don't ride them because more tire equals more squirm, more weight, and more rolling resistance. Ever get a 2.8 tire caked with mud? It sucks. As much as I support the "plus movement" for it's benefits to versatility, I personally wouldn't race the bigger tires. I'd prefer to run 275x2.6 for fun and rim protection (which I do on my own bike), and have a bike with adjustable geometry so I could run 29x2.3/2.5 combo on race day (I dont have this option - looking at you Commencal). Again, it's about the options, which until recently were fairly limited and required multiple bikes.
  • + 3
 @jbob27: you are not a xc pro racer and most people aren't. You have to get to that place. Becoming such rider is a process and along the way you may want to pick a right tool for the job of learning. You don't know if pro racers aren't training on Plus bikes. Emily Batty does. Do DH pros ride only DH bikes? Plus bike is fantastic for very wet or very sandy trails, where regular tyres are slagging, it rides very nicely, nobody ever said it's for racing. It offers plenty of grip and doesn't sink into crappy terrain. Perfect winter bike for Northern hemisphere. Also, perfect bike for beginners. Also minimizes trail damage. Plus bikes not seen in racing therefore useless is a rather shallow argument against them
  • + 2
 @jbob27: Who gives a shit what the pros ride, honestly? I ride what works for me, and that is plus tires. You can't make a direct correlation and say what is best for the pros is best for everyone else.

If that was the case, why don't all weekend golfers play muscle back players irons? See what I mean?
  • + 5
 @jbob27: Pros are running 2.6" in enduro. What makes 2.6" a great tire choice but once you jump that 0.2" up to 2.8 it's crap and just a fad? Somehow calling it plus makes everyone upset.

People are ok with reach numbers expanding, head tube angles slackening, and rim widths growing. But by god if you put a tire that is called "plus" on your bike evidently you're a tool. But 2.6" is cool. and 2.35" MM's are the best (they're almost as big as plus tires if you haven't noticed).
  • + 3
 @JaredHarzan: there's definitely some truth to that.
Give it a number - fine
Give it a marketing name - massive turn off
  • + 8
 Where is the new Thunderbolt with boost rear and room for slightly larger tires?
  • + 2
 THIS! Really hoping they keep it short travel -- there's acres of mid-long travel bikes to choose from, but the 120-125mm category with smaller wheels is Vital for nimble, poppy, dj/bmx inspired trail riding!! Please Keep it short and FUN Rocky!
  • + 2
 Oh they're coming out! They look sweet.
  • + 2
 January
  • + 1
 @carlomdy: any pictures?
  • + 4
 So given there is an Instinct BC edition with 155mm (+15mm) travel using a different link and longer stroke shock, does this suggest that there may well be an Altirude BC edition in the works? The frames look very similar and Jesse and Remi have rocked the longer travel Altitudes on the EWS circuit.
  • + 0
 To my knowledge the BC edition isn't using a different link. They're just running a longer stroke shock and to create enough clearance the bike can only be run in slackers ride-9 setting. In other words you could buy a non-BC bike and over shock it like what Jesse and Remi have done with their Altitudes
  • + 5
 @650boss it is a different link with only one shock-mount position.

@Nicksen as far as we know there is no Altitude BC Edition coming, but their EWS pros are definitely long-shocking their Altitudes for racing.
  • + 5
 Way to go Rocky, you've made me seriously contemplate switching my 2014 Altitude Rally Edition out for a new bike. But if do get a new bike which one do pick? Slayer? Altitude? Instinct?
  • + 9
 Why pick just one? Spoil yourself and get all 3! Life is short so go balls out!
  • + 3
 @indydave124: sadly, my wife has mine in her purse.
  • + 1
 @Longtravel: Will she rent them back to you for a few hours so you can purchase some more nice bicycles? If not just ask for forgiveness later and hope .......HOPE BIKE!!!! There is no way she would be mad about that! Its an investment!!!!
  • + 2
 @Longtravel: just say "honey with a new bike I will ride more, get fitter giving me a six pack... (of beer)"
  • + 5
 Pure Instinct told me they'd have some new models coming down the Pipeline. No coil shocks for high Altitude Slayers like myself?
  • + 6
 Wow, that's a looker. My Speci Enduro's gonna go! That Instinct frame weighs less than my 2012 Element 29er.
  • + 3
 That Instinct Carbon 50 is GORGEOUS!
  • + 4
 Yo Pinkbike what's the deal with posting blurry geo charts on almost all your first looks? I don't know if it's just me but it's completely illegible on my smartphone.
  • + 1
 Switch to the desktop version of the site and it will all be clear.
  • + 2
 @DMal: it's still blurry on my Macbook. I have to click on the photo or download it.
  • - 1
 If they were to include hi-res/full-size versions, you might never get to see it on your smart phone at all, it would take years for the mobile browser to fetch and load. Text-optimized image compression is much less forgiving than art-optimized image compression. There's 24 images here that your browser has to load before it even gets to the geo-charts. Furthermore, they're probably just taking screenshots of the geo charts to include here, which leads to more compression. Even if they get PDF geo charts directly from the company, they still have to compress them into JPEG form to get them up here.
  • + 7
 The price is right.
  • + 3
 What is the point of what appears to be just 5mm of head tube length added with that lower headset cup. Ones going to notice the .25 degrees? The taller stack? i am clearly missing the point, help me out.
  • + 1
 Raises the BB by about 3mm to compensate for the smaller diameter of the tires. Pipeline is still going to be pretty low, relative to the Instinct.
  • + 4
 Rocky Mountain is pumping out new exciting bikes like there's no tomorrow. I like when companies do that, I really do.
  • + 5
 Oh man, but I just bought a new bike this year...
  • + 6
 Don't worry, it is the same story every year. You'll be fine.
  • + 5
 That is a beautiful beast of a 29er...
  • + 2
 Where are the timeless color schemes.. boring stealth look I miss. Very fashionable color schemes. However geometry is spot on.. I wonder if one could have a black one for a little extra..
  • + 1
 Have you seen the new Slayer color option? Not released yet, but floating around the interwebs.
  • + 1
 @Hastings: Yep - that what I am thinking of exactly. That would be the option less wild..
  • + 1
 another nice thing about all these sick new and improved lines of bikes rocky is putting out is the old models are going for dirt cheap, got myself a altitude 730 this spring for $2400 canadian. Even got a great deal on my maiden, $7400 for a trail bike and carbon dh bike combined, loving it, prefer that over dropping 8000+ for all these other brands trail bikes to only have one bike!
  • + 1
 Great to see Rocky remodelling all of their bikes!

So if I wanted to, your telling me that I could buy the Instinct Carbon 90 BC Edition for $5,899 USD, throw the wheels in the garbage lol and slap on some 27.5+ wheels with meaty 2.8-3 inch sized tires??? That thing would be a beast Big Grin
  • + 2
 Nice bikes! But at least the carbon versions should come with a proper downtube protector. Hopefully its just the preseries without protection.
  • + 3
 I used to be preseries. Now I have two kids.
  • + 2
 Saw on an NSMB post that they will ship with downtube and chainstay protectors but early shipments (August) may not all have them due to sourcing issues. But anyone who orders an early one without them will eventually get theirs shipped to their shop.
  • + 1
 Those prices are very reasonable and the new bikes look great. I really like that BC edition. If only SoCal wasn't so full of Santa Cruz and Specialized fan boys, I'd put these in my shop.
  • + 1
 do they still wear white sunglasses?
  • + 1
 Just the Brodeo clowns from the Inland Empire with their frosted tips and lifted 2wd trucks @knarrr:
  • + 1
 Same story on the east coast... two bike shops in last week trying to sell me SC and Spec bikes. They asked how much I was willing to spend and showed me the 5010.

I'm trying to get into this sport but all the bs about what's good and what's not and differences in geo, tire size, and travel for all the different style of riding or terrain makes it really difficult to make a confident purchase. ????
  • + 3
 Everything seems the same, but different
  • + 2
 RM have been improving their colour schemes. The last few years have been hit or miss with the paint. These look nice!
  • + 1
 Oh no, they got rid of the XXL! The Instinct was one of the few remaining full suspension bike options for tall people, but now it's gone. Ugh. The Smurfs are taking over.
  • + 5
 I'm willing to bet that the new XL is a bigger bike than the old XXL if you compare the specs.
  • + 0
 Just looked, the bike is longer than the old XXL in terms of reach and TTL. A bit smaller in some other dimensions though.
  • + 1
 @SectionThirtyOne: What I'm looking at is the much shorter seat-tube and head-tube length of the XL, which is where the XXL used to fit. It defeats the purpose of a low front-end when you have to run a huge stack of headset spacers to get the bars high enough compared to your saddle.

Same with the seat-tube. Having a lot of seat-post sticking out is hard on the frame. I've broken enough myself to know the value of keeping that part of the bike bigger.
  • + 2
 @gdharries: Get a a long dropper and it fixes the seat tube issue
  • + 1
 @OliChando: Same problem. I'd rather have that strength and my weight in the seat-tube, supported by the frame than a skinny, standalone seat-post.
  • + 1
 At least Trek has still got you
  • + 1
 are those eagle chainrings oem and the cheaper version of the aftermarket rings or completely new design to replace the old ones?!
  • + 2
 They're standard GX Eagle chainrings.
  • + 3
 mmmm matte army green, yes please
  • + 2
 Somebody has the difference of weight between the carbon70 and carbon 50 frame
  • + 1
 92.7
  • + 3
 holy CRAP I am in love
  • + 1
 So, what's the difference between instinct bc and altitude? Is it just wheelsize? This is confusing!
  • + 2
 They are both built around the exact same frame (front and rear triangles are identical), but the Pipeline has that tall lower headset cup to compensate for the 27.5+ wheels.

All Instinct models come with 29" wheels but they can all be converted to 27.5+ by installing that tall lower headset cup, and the cup comes with the bike (but obviously not installed).

All Pipeline models come with 27.5+ wheels and the cup installed, but they can be converted to 29'' but putting in the shorter lower headset cup.
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 @mikelevy: Thanks for that Mike. I was able to put that all together, and the instinct BC looks awesome. Is it just a 29r Altitude? I am leaning really hard at an Altitude A70, but would love 29r wheels. Really wish they made a Instinct BC in alloy.

Rocky's lineup is interesting as it seems all quite close together.
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 @spinko: It sure sounds a lot like a 29'er Altitude, doesn't it? I've put a ton of time on the new Altitude (review soon) and it's been a fun, capable bike, but I bet that Instinct BC Edition is a damn monster that can go through anything with those big wheels. I'll have to try one soon.

RMB's lineup does seem to have some crossover to it, which is good and bad. Even the Slayer and Altitude can be setup somewhat closely.
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 @mikelevy: And your perspective on when a rider may want a Slayer vs Altitude (and now, perhaps, vs Instinct) would be great! Not "which bike is better", but more "when might someone prefer this bike over that one...", or "these types of riders may prefer this one over that one.." kind of thing...
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 @mikelevy: I look forward to your review! I am wanting to replace my 153dl with something that will help me with my enduro race results, as well as being able to still ride Whistler and with the kids. Our races here on the island are fairly tame in that the ability to pedal seems to have a big effect on race outcome. I've put work into me this year (lost 35lbs and increased fitness), but am looking for a bike that will help my weaknesses which is still mostly pedaling efficiency. I've been holding off on making a decision until the 2018 bikes are released. I suspect many companies are releasing long travel 29r this year, which plays into my wants.

Rocky has already got me stuck between Altitude and Slayer (I haven't had a chance to demo either and I've missed Wades demo rides twice, grrr!), but now the Instinct BC is in the mix?! Damn! The Instinct BC price likely will knock it out of contention.
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 @sospeedy: Agreed
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 Do we not talk about BB height anymore, just BB drop?
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 Way easier to keep it straight on a wheel size swappable bike by discussing it in terms of bb drop. Just add 740mm, and you'll be close
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 Not an eMTB?!! Not interested!
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 The look an awful lot like Transition colour schemes, with a hint of Santa Cruz thrown in!!
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 wich damper length is it ?
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 Can't see why everyone's drooling over the looks here. IMO this bike looks pretty uninspired, I prefer last season's Rocky frames. This just looks like a Bronson frame with childish paint schemes, namely the orange... gah it looks worse than Ellsworth's... although the teal/red isn't great either. Only one I half-like is the Pipeline Carbon 70 blue/purple. I'm sure they ride like a dream though! Plus this is coming from the dude who raves over Intense paint schemes, which most people seem to hate. Guess opinions are just that.
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 Have 2.8-2.5 minions on my troy it rips
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 They speced half of these with guide brakes smh.
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 What is the maximum tire size for the 29e?
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 29"x2.6"
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 I would like a shorter seat tube. 150mm will fit but does RM knows it's a couple of years droppers are available up to 200mm?
They look good though.
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 agreed. With stubby legs, I would love to size up to a L, but the STL is really long.
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 Yep seat tubes do look a little long for the reach number. Apart from that they look real nice.
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 pipeline alloy 30 is mint, those other colors are Wrecked....
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 Although a completely blacked out bike is slick, I like it when a bike has got some pop.
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 @rrolly: dark green and orange though, funky combo
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 @mikelevy Tiny Mcstubby? That's not what the ladies call me.
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 Said Tuna Can Tommy.
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 Why is no-one complaining the poor brake choices and GX Eagle only?
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 Because a) Gx eagle is still Eagle.
b) Nobody uses brakes
c) Great value bike regardless
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 @YouHadMeAtDrugs:
a) what about durability? XO1 Eagle has proven it and was everyones choice on higher priced bikes in 2017. now manufacturers seem to choose GX only and rise their profit margins
b) well, you're right
c) I hope the Swiss prices will be as valuable as the Canadian. I am lurging for the BC!
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 @marcocellere: BC is CHF 7000.- (Listenpreis)
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 I feel like Rocky Mountain makes bikes for people who ride bikes. Considering that the high end build is cheaper than most brands mid level builds I think the GX is great.

Look at the Instinct Carbon 50, you are getting good suspension, eagle and a wheel set up that you can actually ride for just over $4,300 US. That value is insane in today's bike market.
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 @Foxy87: thanks. what about the instinct 70?
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 Yeti AS-R 5.
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 I would like the BC edition in aluminum. Carbon sucks!
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flag WAKIdesigns (Aug 24, 2017 at 4:09) (Below Threshold)
 Carbon can suck water
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 150%. If there was one, I would be at the shop now...
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 @cbenderusa007 - apparently, that's not how BC Edition works.
You ride a gourmet steel hardtail single speed. Its like a vegan saying a five-meat pizza sucks.
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 @twozerosix: I have a Carbon 2017 Santa Cruz Bronson frame hanging on my wall that I rode for a month. It felt flimsy and I live in rocky terrain so every ride was full of fear that I might get a rock smashing it at any moment. I also Have two Niner Wfo's that I have no worries about a rock hitting. Plus the Niners feel much more solid and comfortable to ride. I have also blown though three sets of carbon cranks, I absolutely hate carbon!
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 @cbenderusa007: fair enough - I've ridden Annadel a few times - some of those trails are indeed all rock garden.
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 @twozerosix: They actually made a low volume Instinct BC Edition in aluminum for 2015. I owned one and it was a great bike. Would definitely buy one again.
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