Yep, Here's Your 13-Speed Drivetrain - Eurobike 2018

Jul 8, 2018
by Mike Levy  


Tugging on steel cables to change gears might sound a bit archaic, but modern drivetrains perform pretty damn well these days. We've got single chainring setups that deliver over 500-percent range, don't require a guide, and are relatively reliable and lightweight. Life is good.

Rotor thinks it could be better, though, and their approach uses hydraulic fluid instead of a cable, and a massive 10 - 52 spread, 13-speed cassette that should provide enough range for any rider and any mountain.


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The mountain bike version of the 1x13 derailleur will include a clutch system, too.


The Spanish brand has been using hydraulic fluid for their Uno system for years now, although I bet you're more likely to see a Sumatran Rhino in the wild than an Uno drivetrain. Rotor's taken what they've learned with Uno and applied that to their 1x13 system, but they've also designed it to be extremely modular and ready for all sorts of uses: it can be set up as a 1x12 or 1x13 system with four different cassettes, and be used on road, gravel, and mountain bikes thanks to different shifters.

I know what you're thinking: Why the hell do we need 13 cogs? Well, we obviously don't need 13, or 12, or 11, or even 8 cogs to enjoy riding, but more cogs can mean smaller jumps between each gear, which is an important point when you're looking at a 10 - 52 spread cassette.
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Indexing is on the derailleur rather than in the shifter, and adjustable stops determine how many gears you can change with each push of the thumb paddle.

Rotor's 12-speed cassettes are compatible with a normal freehub body due to how the 10-tooth cog hangs off the end of it, but you know it's a different story when you add another cog onto the stack. To make it work, they've come up with their own hub (and freehub) design, and the drive-side spoke flange sit a touch more inboard than on a standard hub. This provides the necessary room, but the tradeoff is spoke angle, of course. Whether that matters or not is yet to be seen.


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If you want to run the 13-speed cassette, you'll need to use Rotor's hub that sees its drive-side spoke flange moved inboard and a proprietary freehub.


Their 13-speed cassette uses 12-speed cog spacing, too - the cogs don't sit nearer to each other - so riders can use a standard 12-speed chain, and it shouldn't be any finickier than what's currently on the market. Of course, that'll mean different things to different people depending on how 12-speed is working out for them.

The derailleur that Rotor had on display looked every bit the prototype that it is, with machining marks and a rough finish on it, but it also has a few extra screws compared to what we're used to seeing.

Rotor has designed-in derailleur throw stops of sorts that determine how many gears you can shift with each push of the thumb paddle. So if you wanted to have it so one push equals one cog, you could do that; if you want to be able to run through four or five cogs with a larger push, you can set it up to do that, too. There are also the normal limit screws, of course.
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The shifter can be set up with one or two paddles.

Not only that, but you can also run the shifter with just a single paddle that controls shifting up and down the cassette depending on how far you push it or go with a more traditional two-paddle layout. I think that really underlines what could be the advantage of Rotor's new drivetrain: With four different cassettes and the ability to set the shifter up a few ways, you can run their 1x13 drivetrain whichever way best suits how, and where, you ride your bike.


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All the cogs. The 10 - 52 spread provides a 520-percent range.


Weights and an MSRP are still up in the air at this point, but Rotor says that the plan is to have it come in around SRAM and Shimano's high-end offerings on both fronts.


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176 Comments

  • + 68
 If you want a bike that has this large of a gear ratio then a gearbox should be your first option. This derailleur will be high costing and high maintenance. When will these large companies stop milking the deraileur and use there efforts to develop better gearboxes
  • + 16
 Just saw a road concept with a pinion drive. In the front and rear. No chain, flat cassette and lighter they say...
  • + 1
 Give me derailleurs anyday Cheaper, lighter and flawless
  • + 17
 @ibishreddin: not to be confused with a pinion gearbox.. I assume you're talking about the ceramic speed concept?? Looks interesting!
  • + 65
 If you want wider range, maybe add a chainring and derailleur in the front?
I know, sounds crazy and will probably never happen...
  • + 3
 @blitz66: that's the one!
  • + 13
 I’ll take a gearbox when its as light, cheap, and performant as a derailer system. Until then, I’m no where close to considering it.
  • - 4
flag IronWheel (Jul 8, 2018 at 8:41) (Below Threshold)
 Gear box = friction. They will never replace direct chain drive without a motor to compensate for lost efficiency. Elon musk couldn’t do it with the SpaceX, Boring, Tesla and Neuralink budgets combined.
  • + 5
 @IronWheel: I'd consider it for a DH rig. Make it a 7 speed to cut weight and friction, make it a concentric pivot to eliminate chain growth, or maybe run it high pivot with an idler pulley, and it should perform amazingly. Keeping weight low and centered like that should make it perform like a dirtbike which many DH riders are familiar with.
  • + 3
 @mbrand721: We are in agreement. On a DH bike, the “motor compensation” is in the shuttle vehicle or lift.
  • + 1
 @IronWheel: = weight also
  • + 5
 This reminds me of the arguments against petroleum engines. "We need to get rid of them and go electric" But the reality is - petroleum engines work, and getting more and more efficient and clean burning and we have thousands of gas stations everywhere you go. Same with Derailleurs. They work, are cheap and easily replaced. 11 speed is a reality, clutches, narrow wide and 1X. You can even get electronic shifting if you want to pay for it. Can't remember the last time a d-railer failed. And if one did, I'd have one sent to my house in two days via Amazon.
  • + 12
 @orastreet1:

What a ridiculous comparison. Of course petroleum engines work, but the problem is their greenhouse gas emissions, which is essentially destroying the potential for life on the planet.
  • + 3
 @Benito-Camelas: This sounds remarkably like; automobiles...who needs automobiles when we have such fine horses?
  • + 2
 @pirati: Blasphemy
  • + 0
 The down votes remind me of my daughter when I tell her that Santa Claus is not real.
  • + 4
 @vuddha: so true! Electricity just comes clean out of the wall and you don't have any smelly smells, darn petreolheads don't understand
  • + 1
 @IronWheel: yes, Gearbox very Boring.
  • + 4
 Lol. I wish more tesla owners saw how equally Damaging their cars are. @daweil:
  • + 2
 Gearbox, dead on arrival!
  • + 1
 @pirati: if you want your chain to fall off as soon as you hit a larger bump too...
  • + 1
 Why cant they just make hydraulic ig?!?
  • + 3
 @freeridejerk888: As long as the power plant is not in their backyard...
  • + 2
 @IronWheel: You got down votes for that comment. Well here’s an upvote. In the words of a certain Mr. Scott, aka: “Scotty” that we all remember fondly... “I canna change the laws of physics cap’n!”
  • - 1
 @vuddha: Geez. Not this argument again. I don't know, with all the millions of cars on the planet I look around and things look pretty green to me. And of course when it comes to electric cars, no one seems to look at the impact it takes to mine the materials and the manufacturing - and of course, recycling the batteries is a nightmare. But hey - I can plug my car in.
  • + 1
 Honda made the gearbox work! oh no, wait. they didnt, they hid a derailleur in a box. HAHAHHAHA
  • + 55
 "Sorry I can't ride. I have to bleed my drivetrain"
  • + 26
 Because the rest of a mountain bike is maintenance-free and derailleur cables always run perfectly.
  • + 29
 "Sorry I can't ride, I have to spend 20 minutes adjusting my derailleur to shift properly"
  • - 5
flag markz9 (Jul 8, 2018 at 8:48) (Below Threshold)
 @DrPete: If you have that many problems with your shifting cable, you're probably not doing something right. I didn't even had one break. Continuous sleeve from shifter to derailleur, with a bit of grease on the cable, so far 4 years with spring,summer and autumn riding with the same cable. None of my friends have headaches with shifter cables as well(or even brake cables). You really must be doing something wrong in order to have problems with mechanical cables, idk, maybe i'm wrong and was just lucky, but so far i didn't have problems and none of my friends didn't either.
  • + 7
 @markz9: I didn’t say I have a lot of problems. I was commenting because it’s not like having to tune one’s bike is a new thing. Derailleurs need new cables etc too, and if this system is well built it shouldn’t require bleeding any more often than a cable system would need attention.
  • - 3
 @DrPete: Give it up. Literally nobody will buy this crap.
  • + 4
 What if they made it have the capabilities of self lubing the chain
  • + 6
 Eh, without generating heat like brakes I doubt this system would need much attention
  • + 1
 I'll help you as soon as I finish charging my drivetrain's battery.
  • + 1
 Sorry I can't ride I have to run a new $5 cable...I'll be there in 20 mins though...
  • + 1
 @orastreet1: vs 3mL of hydraulic fluid... tough to make some kind of cost argument for cables vs hydraulic fluid.
  • + 44
 You lost me at hydraulic and proprietary hub. And 13.
  • + 5
 Well sort of, but If you go with their 12x should (up to 11x 52) you can go with a regular Shimano freehub. (something Shimano could not offer in their 12x). Will wait for reviews. I haven't gone 12x myself.
  • - 3
 Also 13 = unlucky
  • + 2
 Narrower flanges eh. I'll hold out for the inevitable MeGaBOOST13 upgrade. Then I wont buy that either.
  • + 37
 C'mon don't diss a small company for trying out crazy stuff. In the worst case scenario, it'll be a good fire pit story 10 years from now: "Hey remember when they tried to bring hydraulic shifting back?"
I'm the best case it's bringing some actual improvement to an archaic drivetrain system.
  • + 1
 Agreed, no point in bashing the niche, that’s why I am bashing Sram for Eagle Smile maybe they will go 14 speeds and 10-54 next time around. Should solve all needs. Until Shimano goes 15 with 10-57
  • + 25
 Depend on where one rides, might be useful. Lots of product bashing going on, but if it works, could be nice option. No b screws, high low, chain throw....this is how bikes got so good...inventors stretching the limits....lighten up...
  • + 11
 “Nobody needs (n+1, where n=number of gears I have) or hydraulic (pick component).”

-PB response to every single drivetrain post. If a time machine is ever invented PB commenters will use it to create PB in the 90s for the sole purpose of saying nobody needs 8 speed or hydraulic brakes.
  • + 14
 What about a super durable 1x8 11-42? Keep it simple and reliable so I can ride my bike more!
  • + 22
 But then it would be cheap, light, and reliable. We are only allowed to pick two.
  • + 4
 Sunrace has a 11-40 8-speed, so it's almost there.
  • + 1
 Check out SRAM ex1
  • + 14
 10spd was enough JESUS Please stop adding a gear, just make it better and affordable
  • + 8
 why not 10 1/2 speed?
  • + 0
 It's more affordable than ever. Complete SLX drivetrains are in the $250 USD realm. That's better than XTR top dog performance from only a short 5 years ago. Mountain bikes really need to check their privlidge.
  • + 12
 What better reason to use a proprietary hub than for a few useless extra gears?
  • + 8
 Ah, don't you mean ONE useless extra gear?
  • + 9
 @Dethphist: 11 12 and 13 are all useless
  • + 9
 13 speeds is a red herring. This is more relevant to the vast majority of riders. "Rotor's 12-speed cassettes are compatible with a normal freehub body due to how the 10-tooth cog hangs off the end of it"
  • + 7
 The 90's called and said good luck with hydraulic shifting this go around. You know what weights less then hydraulic fluid and cables, AIR! Come on shimano, bring back airlines. Seems like everything that was once old is now new again. Guess there's enough young blood in the sport to remake old designs as new innovations and most are none-the-wiser. Can we please get 6-8spd gearboxes with carbon cases and gears made from carbon centers and Ti teeth, that should bring the weight down a bit. :-)
  • + 4
 A lot of these re-visitations are products presented over a decade ago. How much have the bikes since 2008 changed? A shit ton, I'd figure that they are re-visitig with new approaches and new technology that will make thee second iterations better and potentially game changing. 13 speeds though? I'm good with the range of 11.
  • + 2
 @RideTahoe707: I'm good with 1spd or 7. Pedal harder! lol
  • + 4
 Air brakes.
  • + 7
 What's everyone's problem with hydraulics!? I have to bleed my brakes once a year and my seatpost once never.

While after every 3rd ride the gears are out of sync an the derailleur needs aligning...

As far as I can see you don't need their hub or 13cogs to benefit from the system. Why all the whining?
  • + 2
 A deraileur hangs away from the bike, your brake levers don't, that's why on your third ride your brakes are fine and your derailuer is slightly misaligned. Another thing, your derailleur has many more moving parts than your brakes.
  • + 5
 @RideTahoe707: part of the problem, yes, but not only. The cable system has inherent issues due to its reliance on exact tension all the time.
Fluid might be more consistent?
  • + 8
 Man this sport I love is ridiculous. I have refused to even move to 12 speed at this point. And no to hydraulic shifters, no.
  • + 12
 Did you say the same about hydraulic brakes?
  • + 2
 @DrPete: Hydraulic brakes were an improvement. Heavier cassettes, longer derailleur cages, longer chains, and useless giant gears are not.
  • + 6
 @casman86: How is a wider gear spread 'useless'. How is being lighter than 2 or 3 x setups 'useless'...... They are improvements. You may not like it, you may choose to bitch about it online like a little child, but you are wrong.
  • + 2
 @DrPete: no, hydraulic brakes were a huge step forward in power and modulation after the kinks were worked out. There is nothing about moving a pulley x amount at the click of a button that needs more power, more precision (my xtr can't even be felt shifting most of the time) or a more powerful operation. That being said, cable disc brakes were Superior to hydraulic disc brakes in the beginning. It took a few years before I wasn't going back to avid bb7 brakes. Now I only run Hope.
  • + 6
 last thing I want is more gears. I prefer my 11 spd over my eagle due to the fact out on the trail I find I am constantly fighting to get the correct gear out of turns etc. it's better for climbing to a point eagle but for me the gears are too tight together, one knock and the adjustment is out too. ah 13 speed would drive me mad
  • + 9
 Sram marketing department just imploded
  • + 0
 Naw, they'll just point out how redundant and unlucky 13 gears would be, and how nobody likes the guy that has to be 1 bigger and better at everything. #dontbethatguy ... that'll probably be the new slogan. Wink
  • + 7
 PB users: “Where is all the frontier pushing new stuff!?” New technology drops: “Its garbage and I’ll never put it on my bike!”
  • + 2
 To be fair, 'new' doesn't equate to 'better'.
  • + 4
 First everyone wanted a 1x drivetrain, then they started missing all the gearing choices of a 2x. and now the 1x has to become an 18+ speed drivetrain ????. My 1x11 is doing just fine.
  • + 1
 And a few years before that they said “who needs 1x11? My 2x10 is doing just fine.”
  • + 1
 Shhhhh. I'm all about dudes leaving their XX1 cassettes in the garbage can cause they need dat Eagle, CA CAW!!!!!
  • + 3
 Apart from actually riding, the other thing I really enjoy about this vehicle that is a bicycle is that I can do most maintenance, modifications or upgrades myself.

Absolutely in favour of innovation, R&D and new technologies, but I'm happy to not jump on the train of certain new technologies to maintain some simplicity.
  • + 6
 I'm to superstitious to have 1x13 drivetrain
  • + 6
 And AGAIN.....bicycle industry fails to “get it” Frown
  • + 2
 ACROS tried to do hydraulic shifting about 8 years ago and it never really took off because of high maintenance. Basicslly if you don't have a personal mechanic it's not really viable. And the price!
m.pinkbike.com/news/Pinkbike-First-Look-Acros-AEG-11-MT-Hydraulic-Shifting.html
  • + 3
 They tried it years ago and it didn't work isn't really a good argument for anything tech related though. They tried flying years ago and it didn't work.
  • + 1
 Interestingly, this is a totally different system: Acros had 2 cables pushing/pulling hydraulic fluid to the shifter, and this is all done within one line. Also, since Rotor already explored hydraulics with the Uno road group, they have already created a product in this category that works reliably, which Acros never achieved. The fact that this is a modular system (one derailleur, pick your shifter type, pick your cassette size, etc,) also means it could feasibly get rid of the dreaded front derailleur on curly bar bikes.
  • + 2
 The reason behind 13 speed is that even if a 2x11 groupset has 22 theoretical ratios, the effective number of usable combinations is usually only 14, due to overlap between different chainring and sprocket combinations. Wether it makes it a good idea is still to be confirmed though....
  • + 2
 20 years ago I road a recombant bike with a continuously variable cable pully drive that seemed vastly superior to anything I've seen now . I was somewhere between 13-15 and was able to do about 50mph and the designer's son was able to do several miles an hour over the human powered speed record no shifting just pedaling .
  • + 2
 I have A Rotor Uno group on my gravel bike and it is one of the most reliable and solid drive-trains out there! It's awesome to see companies like this taking risks and shaking up the game! Even better when they actually work very well!
  • + 1
 So even Sumatran rinos comment on PB.
  • + 6
 1x13 you say? Can't wait to replace my chain every second week.
  • + 0
 12 is only every 3 weeks, 11 once a month.
  • + 5
 If 50T isn't enough for your fat ass then just get an E-bike...put your big gulp in the bottle holder and carry on
  • + 1
 That was pretty funny!
  • + 1
 I like the 52T idea. I still spin out with my 36T chain ring on 11T sprocket. And if I have a 52 in the back I could put a 38 or a 40 on it.
  • + 5
 its hydraulic....please no, Im out.
  • + 1
 But what if it works as well as my Reverb droppers? ????
  • + 4
 Not sure about 13 gears, however hydraulic shifting- I'm in, I do not see any disadvantages
  • + 1
 Such a niche product.
PB covering this because it's hidraulic RD 13 speed?...

Probably will have some neg votes, but Di2 with single shifter and FD + RD is probably the only system that I would put my money on. Only 1 shifter, range, weight out of the rear wheel...
  • + 1
 OK so LET the storm begin!

I think we are focusing on the wrong thing the problem has never been how to shift a derauiller, cable has always worked i dont need an expensive way to shift be it electric wireless or hydraulic i have never said i want a different way to actuate my dreauiller what i have said is.....
I BROKE MY DERAUILLER AGAIN !!!!! 2nd ONE THIS MONTH !!!!
please companies the problem isnt how to acutate the dreailler but durability and reliability!
any body with me?
  • + 6
 haha just... nah
  • + 1
 Cool and different though I feel that development of quality wireless shifting like E-Tap shifting on road is the way to go in the long run. No cables or wires to route or deal with and the more it's developed, the more the cost comes down.
  • + 1
 Yeah OK here goes my tuppence on this one... gearboxes suffer from mechanical loss. And simply cannot be thrown through gears the way we do with derailleur systems... Slam that thumb lever hard, feel those satisfying clicks under your thumb, feel that chain momentarily loosen and then grab the newly selected cog with all the tenacity of a pit bull playing tug-o-war. Thrust the pedals and keep digging in on the climb. Gearboxes will never ever provide that kind of real-time feedback. However... the above described sensation only applies to a properly tuned derailleur system. The drawbacks are many, not the least of which is the fact that you’re dealing with an exposed drivetrain. Best case scenario it’s like a vinyl record... gets a little degraded with every play. Worst case scanario... Huck a blind drop and have your derailleur slam into a trailside rock upon landing. You’re quickly going nowhere at that point. Introducing hydraulics into the equation and thinner chains only adds to the failure rate. I’m running Saint 10 speed modified with OneUp cage and cog to give me 11-42 range. Guess what...? Once in a while I’m in the wish gear (wish I had a lower gear) but I’ve only gotten stronger, my setup is burly as it gets. DH stuff is built to take abuse folks. The shifting is XTR smooth, and 10 speed setup is easy. No firmware, no hydraulic lines, no shifting without feedback. The gearbox idea is a good one for many reasons, but they simply must fix the way they inherently shift. You’ve got to be able to bang that stuff around when you need to. No one stops pedaling during a technical climb when they need to downshift. They lighten up a bit, yes, but gearboxes require complete unloading. Hence the clutch, or torque converter, in a motorized vehicle. I’ll deal with a 3% mechanical loss but I refuse to give up the way we shift and ride.
  • + 1
 Hydraulic 1 x 13 with a spring that is perfectly exposed to snag a branch. Don't think so.
So much swearing in this article! "hell, damn...." Let's just take it down a notch, and focus on the facts here can we? Thx!
  • + 1
 Next stop should be either gearbox or just a simple 5-6 speed. I thought professionals are professionals because they are professional and don't need eleventy gears in the back.
  • + 1
 What kind of weight savings is she talking about by ditching cables? On a 1x there is only 1 cable to begin with, and it's weight is negligible. Has she ever seen/held a derailleur cable? LoL
  • + 1
 You lose a metal cable and replace it with a hydraulic line. Oil is lighter than metal and therefore saves weight.
  • + 1
 I would not think it would be notable. There 12x cassette is in the ~330gram territory so weight of the system should be decent.
  • + 1
 @natemeyer: weight weenies unite. And guess what it will be even lighter still when the hydraulic life juices leak out
  • + 1
 i was wondering when this would happen for a while... 13 makes the jumps in gears back to what they should be.... 13 on road make a 1x work right for road bikes gear step-wise....
  • + 2
 I have a 11-50T 11 speed system so I'm a tad disappointed they didn't take the opportunity to make a 10-60T 13 speed cassette!
  • + 3
 did she just say a 12 speed cassette will work on a traditional freehub body?
  • + 2
 She did! That has more of my interest than the 13x.
  • + 2
 13 speed is what I've been wet dreaming about for decades. Now all you have to do is bend over and I'll put the whole drivetrain where it belongs.
  • - 1
 Yer funny, @FM
  • + 4
 I was gonna wait until the next station. f*ck this. I’m out the window.
  • + 2
 Bummer, I’ll have to wait till they make a 14 speed drivetrain. 13 is my unlucky number.
  • + 3
 Lmfao another proprietary freehub!!! Really bike industry, really lol
  • + 0
 Lol. Once again, 12 speed is already far too many gears. We would be better off with half the gears on a mountain bike so we don't have to waste time dumping 4 gears at a time. 6ish speed and done.
  • + 2
 Why 13 speeds? Because your friends have 12,of course! And because more bigger is more better,right?!
  • + 1
 When my least favourite thing to do already is bleed my brakes . . . I'll keep buying your cranksets and BBs though, don't worry
  • + 3
 we're losing a lot of cable weight... haha
  • + 2
 This is perfect for the ebike I will never want
  • + 1
 That is one prepared lady... very professional and not as nervous as many other tech guys from other companies..good to see!
  • + 1
 Because 12 wasn't enough. This is trolling. Also, if I go for a 14 speed now I'll be "world's first". Ok, sounds easy.
  • - 1
 If this is as good as the UNO groupset it could be a winner. Love the 12spd compatibility too. I guess for weird mechanical geeks like me a hydro drive train is as close to zero maintenance as you can get.
  • - 3
 Yes because hydro brakes and hydro operated droper actuators are maintenance free and rarely go bad, yeap, you know stuff... Ffs
  • + 4
 @adespotoskyli:

It all depends on how it works in practice. We all know people who haven't bled their brakes in years, particularly from one manufacturer.... Whereas another seems to need bleeding every week. But brakes heat up and cool down a lot. If I need to bleed this less than I need to change my gear cable then I'm happy.

And honestly a quick bleed could be easier than dealing with my internal cable routing.
  • + 5
 @adespotoskyli:

The UNO groupset I referenced has been very well reviewed in performance and durability. Also The mtb version lever is an open system, with far less internal pressure than say a reverb or brake line. for people like me who ride in wet, gritty conditions It could make sense!
  • + 2
 Coming soon, rotor's ultra mega super hyper boost hub width
  • + 1
 I want hydraulic assisted electronic shifting with 15 speed and an 800% range or dammit I'm just sticking with 11speed.
  • + 3
 Why tho??
  • + 5
 Why not?? Seems awesome, can be setup on basically any bike, massive range, clever engineering...whether it's actually reliable is another question, but this is quite a cool product.
  • + 3
 @mnorris122: First of all nobody needs 13 speeds, second it's pretty ridiculous to get a new hub just so you could use this even more ridiculous product, and last but not least hydraulic shifting?!?
  • + 6
 Thing is, hydraulic brakes are far superior to cable.
How is this the case with gears?
How is hydraulic going to offer a performance improvement on something that is just a cable operated spring an ratchet release system?
  • + 2
 @nojzilla: Thats what I'm thinking, there is no advantage with hydraulic shifting. This is just over complicating something that already works fine.
  • + 4
 @Keystone08: neither the hub nor the 13th cog are mandatory to use the hydro derailleur as far as I understood.

It's also modular and adjustable.
Did you watch the video or read past the title?

Man, I really hope this turns out to be superior in performance and reliability!
  • - 3
 @Milko3D: yes I read the whole article which says if you want to run 13 speeds you must use the rotor hub, did you?
  • + 1
 @Keystone08: yes, but the 12cog cassette fits other hubs?
So I feel you don't need the 13th gear, why moan about it?

The core of the system isn't the fact that it can have 13 gears, that's just a bonus that requires their hub.
  • - 1
 @Keystone08: said the Wright brothers
  • + 1
 Maybe trail builders can mike some of the climbs more gradual, then no need for all the extra sprockets.
  • + 1
 But how much will it cost to replace the derailleur after I smash it into a rock?
  • + 0
 Wow, so pointless. Just imagine how much of time, effort and money they waisted on a group that 99% of riders won't ever even see...
  • + 1
 Hydraulics work so good on seat post remotes, can't wait to try it on shifters.
  • - 2
 And I see a cable conversion kit coming out from a more sensible brand like bike yoke did with their cable kit to ditch the idiotic rs fluud operated actuator. Some people never learn
  • + 1
 Yeah hydraulic shifting is stupid. My mechanical cable works just fine. And it will never need bleeding and also will never leak fluid.
  • + 2
 Is @waki on holiday?
  • + 1
 13 gears! You ain’t riding hard enough!
  • + 1
 1x14 is coming the theaters near you!
  • + 1
 This is getting silly now
  • + 1
 This just seams like another expensive thing to fix
  • + 2
 Sounds unlucky
  • + 1
 I will mount it with 3 ring cranks to be sure of enough ratio...
  • + 0
 Levy is painful to watch... please find someone more capable of having a conversation with a human.
  • + 2
 Damn, cool drivetrain.
  • + 1
 No No NO NO NOOOOO!!! Enough is enough already people. Jesus!!!!!
  • + 1
 Ill wait for 14spd to come out
  • + 1
 I need this for my E bike.
  • + 1
 I eat sleep talk ride mountain bikes every day %
  • + 2
 I'm not worthy
  • + 1
 lol 13 speed why.....innovation my skinny hairy ass.
  • + 0
 Hydraulic? No. not, never.
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 In the event some air gets in you suppose to do what? I can bearly tolerate half bled brakes but drivetrain doing it's think over and over again? I'll pass
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 Here we go...
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 Dot fluid or mineral oil? Either way I am not getting it but curious
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 Mineral oil for viscosity. Helps prevent leakage.
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 Not sure on the the need for 13 and specific hub but the derailleur, shifter and hydro cable sounds good.
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 I have a 1x12 bike and a 1x1 bike; mathematically the same as 1x13 :-p
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 So this won't work with Chris King hubs? I'm out!
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 It's an open standard so CK is free to make a hub.
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 why.. just why?
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 Can you spell OVERKILL?
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 Just a matter of time...
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 Indexed hydraulic gearbox gears, then you can talk to me.
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 Hahahahahahahahahaha....
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 Ohh great, box is downvoting now...

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