Rotor Confirms Full Details of 1x13 Drivetrain

Sep 3, 2019
by James Smurthwaite  

Roughly a year after we first saw it at Eurobike, Rotor has confirmed a release date and pricing for its 13 speed, hydraulic drivetrain. We've had a good chance to take a look at all the features but now we finally have some concrete details about when and how you'll be able to get an extra cog on the rear of your bike.

For those who have been under a rock, Rotor first revealed a rough prototype in July last year and the concept has stayed largely the same ever since but we've seen more and more refined versions at the Taipei Bike Show and Sea Otter. For all the details we know up to this point, here's Mike Levy's video from Sea Otter:


Most people are probably going to be focussed on the substantial cassette that's resting at the back of this drivetrain and Rotor will be offering four different configurations - 10-36/10-39/10-46/10-52 but we imagine most mountain bikers will only be interested in the final of those. So that's a maximum of a 520% range, which is actually only 10% more than you get on the Shimano XTR 12 speed despite the extra cog.

This isn't about a hugely wide gear range though but instead giving you another step within the current range you have and meaning the gears are spread more evenly over that range. If you do want the 13 speed cassette you'll have to run it with Rotor's own hub for now, as no other conventional hub is able to fit its huge range, however this does mean the cassette uses 12 speed spacing and you can use a standard 12 speed chain.

The indexing isn't in the shifter like it is inside a mechanical system, but rather down at the derailleur, and there are adjustable stops to determine how many gears you can change with each push of the thumb paddle. There's also an adjuster that allows you to change the feel of the hydraulic system.

Perhaps more exciting than the "mine's bigger than yours" cassette though is the hydraulic actuation of the derailleur. Rotor have already released a hydraulic groupset with their Uno system but that was hardly a runaway success when it comes to sales. Instead, Rotor have treated it as a learning experience and have apparently improved it on the 1x13 groupset. So what are the advantages of a hydraulic system? Well, Rotor are claiming it's more precise than a mechanical system and that the actuation should be easier than dragging a cable. On top of this, it's a closed system so you won't be pulling mud and grit through it every time you shift gear. That being said, it's probably not quite as precise, accurate or maintenance-free as a wireless system...

There are some other neat features here including a Go to Origin button that sends the derailleur to the smallest cog for easier wheel removal and adjustable stops to determine how many gears you can change with each push of the thumb paddle.

The shifter itself is much smaller than a traditional mechanical unit. There's just one lever that controls shifting up and down the cassette by how far you push it, the two separate paddles do the same thing but are designed to be used in different riding positions.

If you've been following the development of the product then you'll know all about the new tech above so let's get into the nitty-gritty instead. Rotor will be offering the Spanish built drivetrain at three levels - Ready, Mountain Superlight and Mountain Performance.

1x13 Ready

Ready is the lowest spec here and doesn't even include the 13 speed cassette. The thinking here is that riders may want hydraulic performance without having to swap out too many parts to make it work with the 13-speed cassette. This groupset uses an 11-52 cassette that will work with your current hub and comes with a shifter, a derailleur and a Kapic crankset. The set weighs 1,531 grams and will cost €1,399 / £1,299 / $1,399. You may think it's a bit silly investing in this groupset and not getting the extra cog but we've all lived without 13 speed just fine for as long as we've been mountain biking and this way you get supposedly smoother and more reliable shifting for a cost that is comparable to SRAM's wireless system or Shimano's 12 speed offering.


Includes: Shifter + derailleur + 12s cassette + chain +KAPIC crankset (including ring)
Weight: 1,531g
Cost: €1,399/£1,299/$1,399

1x13 Mountain Super Light

The main difference between the two kits that come with the 13 speed cassette is the cranks they are accompanied with. The Super Light comes with Rotor's first foray into carbon in the Kapic crank. The fact that its name is a portmanteau of Cape Epic should point you where this crankset is aimed, squarely at the XC and endurance crowd. As such, this crankset is about 250 grams lighter than the top of the range Performance kit. Other than that, you get the 13 speed cassette, the hub to fit it on, the derailleur and the shifter.


Includes: Shifter + derailleur + 13s cassette + chain + 13s hubs + KAPIC Carbon crankset (including ring)
Weight: 1,816g
Cost: €1,799/£1,699/$1,799

1x13 Mountain Performance

The most expensive version of the crankset is the Performance version that swaps out the Kapic crank for Rotor's 2IN Power crank. This is an aluminum crankset but it includes a built-in power meter. It does come with a weight penalty of 250 grams and is a big step up in price from the Super Light version.


Includes: Shifter + derailleur + 13s cassette + chain + 13s hubs + 2IN power MTB crankset (including ring)
Weight: 2,082g
Cost: €2,549/£2,399/$2,599

The 1x13 groupset will be available in October.


257 Comments

  • 275 6
 Can't shift, need to bleed my derailleur.
  • 6 9
 LOL
  • 15 4
 So do we bleed the shifter with ATF or DOT/Mineral?
  • 6 2
 @chyu: Mineral oil.
  • 27 1
 @chyu: 90wt gear oil of course
  • 11 4
 How much is the bleed kit?
  • 48 1
 If you're having shift problems I feel bad for you son, I got 29 problems but oil ain't one
  • 11 0
 We joked about 13 speed cassettes thinking they would never happen.
  • 2 0
 @excavator666: can't brake also??
  • 16 5
 Is this the right thread for Shimano VS Sram arguments?
  • 7 3
 I love riding but can’t stand the mtb industry because of stuff like this. And yes i get this fosters innovation but who is this geared towards?
  • 5 1
 Haha haha. Had to check it wasn’t the beginning of April...13 speed AND hydraulics...

If the sequencing of these stories (9sp Mon, 13sp Tue) was planned it’s a work of a darkly comic genius...

@Wakidesigns: are you on the payroll now?
  • 1 0
 @jorgeposada: One endo.
  • 4 0
 @Altron5000: 1 Canadian peso per word. Then some royalties for supporting/bashing certain companies.
  • 3 0
 @sewer-rat: Logged in to upvote
  • 154 2
 Monday ; 9 is fine
Tuesday; 12 isn't enough

Looks like they love to see some stupid endless debate between which group is the best with 43873% range

Just take your bike and go for a ride even if you're chain chainless or singlespeed
  • 35 0
 @basilebamps

Wednesday: New rear hub standard
Thursday: 31.6mm BB Spindle Diameter
Friday: 15 speed
  • 59 3
 I converted back to singlespeed this year... super happy with my 0% range Big Grin
  • 57 0
 @rivercitycycles: nononononono, friday: im in love... geez
  • 3 0
 @CarrotCorn: Lol, literally watching The Cure's performance @ Lollapalooza '13 as I read this.
  • 5 0
 @thinkbike: I think I saw a thing on NSMB where a guy ran singlespeed but with a hammerschmidt. Duospeed? Twospeed? Anyway I kinda liked the idea...
  • 3 2
 @thinkbike: I think that still comes out to unity, not zero.
  • 2 0
 @rivercitycycles: nah man, 34.9 is clearly superior. also pinion has an 18 speed gearbox, so depending on if you count that or not, we're already there...
  • 2 0
 @powderturns: I run mine with an oval chainring which helps with the hills. Love not having to worry about this sort of nonsense.
  • 1 0
 @CarrotCorn: this guy ^
  • 4 0
 @CarrotCorn:
tuesday wednesday break my heart
so let's see what tomorrow brings
  • 1 0
 @CarrotCorn: I’m done , we chilled on Sunday !
  • 1 0
 @powderturns: The traditional term for this sort of setup is "Dinglespeed"
  • 76 10
 This is just silly. We need gboxes to take hold soon.
  • 36 6
 Why so you can complain on the internet that a gearbox and frame cost 10k?
  • 8 2
 @MitchThompson89: except they dont?..
  • 9 1
 @MitchThompson89: no. So the sport can advance.

The industry is focusing the vast majority of attention/efforts on improving an overall design with a lot of inherent flaws.
  • 4 2
 @TylerG96: except they will once companies like Santa Cruz get onboard.
  • 9 0
 @meathooker: less flaws than gearboxes. Perhaps rotor should team up with Pinion to make an even worse shifter combo.
  • 9 0
 @bonfire: imagine hooking up an AXS shifter to a pinion gearbox
  • 1 0
 More likely e bikes and Alfine hubs. Sorry not sorry.
  • 5 2
 Keep polishing that turd!
  • 3 1
 @kleinblake: have you tried the AXS shifter? For something that could have had unlimited ergonomic options. I wasn’t overly impressed by it.
  • 9 6
 I look back when we used to have derailleurs on MTB's and think, how did we ever ride bikes with those ridiculous pieces of crap dangling off the swing arm..

and then I realise that I'm not looking back and most people still have them in the present :/

#gearboxFTW
  • 2 2
 Not to throw a ton of shade, just some. Why the gear box love? I get the idea, but there is so much hate for any new standard. So why not for gear boxes? It would effectively make all of our current bikes irrelevant? How’s that for a new standard?
  • 4 0
 @sunringlerider: Because I own one and it's amazing.
  • 4 0
 @sunringlerider: Just my perspective. Sometimes manufacturers change a standard for just a small improvement, and sometimes they change a standard for seemingly no good reason. The gearbox brings a bunch of new standards, but it's also a pretty darn big change. Not just one extra speed, or 8,74% more range etc.
Personally I will swallow a big standard change, if it will lead to a bunch of big improvements.
  • 1 0
 @excavator666: me to, ride 12x1 before it's become mainstream
  • 3 0
 @HollyBoni: fair enough, I would love to ride one. Hopefully someday they become a little more common on this side of the pond.
  • 2 0
 @sunringlerider: Me too. Personally I just don't know what the manufacturers will do in the future with a chain, cassette, and derailleur. You can't just keep increasing the number of speeds forever.
I think some kind of gearbox has to be the next thing.
  • 2 0
 @sunringlerider: unsprung weight is huge - and these high gear traditional drive trains keep making the problem worse.
  • 1 1
 @HollyBoni: Well said! There are so many advantages to be gained from gearboxes and the technology is still in its infancy in MTB, so it will only improve.

People are put off by the gripshifter on the Pinion, but honestly it's a really good system.

Same as derailleurs, there is a technique to shifting efficiently with it.

I am able to effectively change gears even when sprinting or climbing hills. I call it burst shifting whereby you use the portion at the top of each pedal stroke when the load on the drivetrain is reduced.

If you time it right the load on the gearbox is reduced enough that you can easily shift up and down the gears.

And with the gripshifter you get a really direct, mechanical feel to the shift.
  • 1 0
 @excavator666: To be honest i'm most excited about belt drive (which AFAIK is only possible on hardtail frames right now). I'm just sick of cleaning and lubing my drivetrain and I want a drivetrain that runs truly silent.
  • 2 0
 @sunringlerider: rear derailleurs are the most antiquated part of our bikes. Exposed, and ...just OLD.
  • 2 0
 @nordicMT: I’am not is disagreement at all with you on that. Compaired to old friction shifters they are light years better but still a very simple solution to shifting a transmission.
  • 2 0
 I’m really surprised more World Cup downhill team bikes aren’t using the gearbox, there would be so many benefits!!!
  • 2 0
 @B650wagon:
Well, considering that most WC teams more or less function as a large marketing face for the sponsors products. As long as Sram and Shimano are the leaders in sponsoring riders, I doubt we will see much change.
  • 2 0
 I wonder if any good privateers are riding any?
  • 2 0
 @B650wagon: Benoit Coulanges used to ride a Nicolai with Pinion, but he's been changed back to derailleur for several years now

Claudio once commented that "it's one of those bikes without a derailleur" and Rob Warner thought he'd lost his marbles and didn't know what he was talking about lol.
  • 54 1
 What's next?! Front derailleurs? 2 front chain rings? Then 3? It'll be anarchy!!!
  • 30 0
 3X13 sounds marvelous. My bar would look so tidy (two brake levers, two shifters, dropper lever, lockout lever, bell, cellphone mount, gopro mount, gps mount).
  • 39 0
 It’ll be 3x13 at first, then eventually the industry will simplify/lighten the cassette, resulting in the ultimate combination of 3x7 for 21 speeds Wink
  • 6 0
 @tacklingdummy: is it even mtn biking if you don’t have a stand-alone GPS or cellphone mounted to ones stem/bar on the chesty POV footy ferda boys?
  • 5 0
 @tacklingdummy: you'll blend in with the german/austrian tourists
  • 4 0
 I'll tell you what's next... middle derailleur.
  • 51 2
 it’s like they took everything people don’t like about SRAM and turned it up a notch.
  • 51 2
 Blah blah singlespeed blah blah hardtail blah blah steel is real.
  • 33 3
 Blab blah blah gearboxes bla bla superior blahhh the industry
  • 46 4
 There is zero justification for hydraulic shifting. There is no modulation or significant power that needs to come into play and with even middle of the road gear cables/housings friction is essentially nonexistent. Full length housing and change out gear cables once a year on my primary bike. I have one that I haven't changed the cables out in six years and it still functions as it should.

I thought electronic shifting was silly at first, but I can at least see SOME merit or benefit over mechanical. The hydraulic is not solving any existing problem but rather creating a whole host of potential new problems.

Also, anyone that needs this much range is way more fit than me. If I have a big enough chainring that the largest in the back is usable in any scenario, I don't have the power to move the 9t unless I'm aimed straight down a hill, in which case I have no need. My 11 speed is just right to me, riding everything from XC, trail, AM, and DH.

That was a long rant. I'm bored.
  • 10 0
 TBH it's probably just a convenient way circumvent all the patents that Shimano and SRAM hold in the bike drivetrain industry.
  • 1 0
 Long rant but true ... although I did not like the ‚electric‘ part of it LOL
  • 2 0
 @mfmediocremtb I would go further and say there is no justification for so many speeds outside of the XC racing crowds (12sp being already useless for most). The only moment I can use the smallest ring is when i'm downhill on a road/fireroad, which I avoid as the plague because it's wasted downhill fun.
  • 5 1
 Well with the indexing happening in the deraillieur you actually get similar benefits like with electronic shifting when it comes to precision of shifts and the need to adjust it. Even if you had some air in the system, just push the lever some more till the shift has hapened and it will be in the right spot. Plus with no real heat and high pressures present, consistency should be quite good.
  • 7 12
flag MTBJG (Sep 3, 2019 at 1:36) (Below Threshold)
 Actually, 11spd is not really quite enough for me. For the last few years that i've had 11spd i've been swapping out the chainring, but has gotten annoying, so now that i need to replace the cassette i'm just going to throw on gx eagle. I ride really steep and long climbs in the alps where a really small grear is super helpful (i put on a tiny 26t chainring which gives me a low enough gear with a 10-42 cassette). I then put on a 30t or 32t chainring for rides with smaller hills when i want to give it some gas on short downhills, or fireroads getting to the good singletrack, or racing. Putting on 12spd i'll save my time having to swap out chainrings, which i think is worth it. Let's see.
  • 8 3
 @MTBJG: you could just get stronger. Hmmmm...
  • 10 1
 @MTBJG: 26x42 ??? You would be faster walking dude.
I discovered this year that using the 36t is faster and less tiring than the 42t in most situations. On long uphills, it's better to make breaks and go faster in between than go super slow and end up doing breaks anyways while being slower.

Also this silly trend of huge cassette and tiny chainring is compromising suspension design for normal people
  • 2 0
 @zede: this type of riding is the singlespeed experience. Ride until you can’t. Walk a bit. Ride. Walk. Eventually the walking goes almost completely away, you’re riding much faster, and it’s quiet, light and minimal maintenance. And with N+1 it feels like cheating when you’re on one of your other bikes with gears.
  • 2 1
 @zede: I ran 26/50 for the last several years and now run 28/51. It just depends what types of trails you are climbing. Its not how long an uphill is, its how steep and janky it is
  • 1 1
 @zede: 26x42 is about the same as 30x50 which i'd say is considered perfectly "normal". You see it on a lot of XC bikes.
  • 1 1
 @HollyBoni: eagle is an abomination and if you're riding XC you probably should be able to pedal 30x42 without any problem.

@preston67: just walk. If it's too steep you're faster walking 100% of the time
  • 3 0
 @zede: I know. Everything sucks and everyone is a dumbass.
  • 43 2
 Nine is fine
  • 8 1
 Nine is fine.
  • 8 0
 Eight is great.
  • 17 0
 @fracasnoxteam:
You mean neuf is eneuf?
  • 5 0
 Nein, with that price it won't be mine.
  • 3 0
 10 ok then.
  • 4 0
 Seven is heaven.
  • 20 2
 You're all a bunch of pedophiles
  • 2 0
 Dickhead!
  • 2 0
 ONE and DONE!
  • 27 0
 i think 11 is perfect honestly
  • 9 0
 Nine is fine but eleven is heaven?
  • 12 0
 "Let's make it ten - ten's a nice round number. But let's forget all of that and have a nice cup of tea..." ('Layer Cake').
  • 2 0
 @tremeer023: you have good taste in movies.
  • 20 1
 If I was ROTOR, I would have called it 14 speed for 2 reasons:
1.-13 is supposedly unlucky, so just say you were following the convention used in elevators and skipped 13
2.-Most people could care less how many speeds their cassette has past 10 or 11, and would just take your word for it, or think that they counted wrong.
  • 22 0
 Because bleeding my brakes is just not enough
  • 23 1
 Stop...just stop ✋
  • 20 2
 Why though, even 12 speed is too many gears. I'm surprised to see the thinking that adding yet another gear is going to help anyone.
  • 11 0
 Their new marketing manager came from Gillette - where three blades in your disposable razor was awesome... wait, wait, no, four blades is even better. Oh no, FIVE blades, yep FIVE blades is what we all need...
  • 2 0
 Box is looking good.
  • 34 21
 Hey bike industry: I DONT WANT AN ELECTRONIC OR HYDRAULIC DERAILLEUR cause get what, they dont solve any of the problems weve had and only create new ones.While I can appreciate the research that goes into developing these, they can still get ripped off the bike and get all gunked up with mud= fail.

I WANT GEARBOXES TO BE STANDARD ON EVERY BIKES.
  • 4 2
 Gearboxes have been lingering for a long time, remember the GT it1? I think development for the cassette & derailleur idea is getting close to being maxxed out. And with brands like zerode pushing gearboxes I have no doubt they will start to catch on and we will see them on trail bikes up to DH soon. Cant see the xc crown using them but I remember a time when they wouldnt use disc brakes because they weighed too much, and If you told me 15yrs ago that xc riders would be on a single front ring with a chain guide, I wouldnt have believed you. things change..
  • 21 2
 When was the last time you actually ripped a derailleur off? Then how long were you out of action?

Ever seen a pinion gear box with a hole punched into the casing? Or shifter get in the way of useful brake lever setup? Or the cassette joint get f*cked up? Want to shift under load in a pinch? Ever ridden a gearbox? They’ve got a long ways to come. Will be neat when they get anywhere near the performance of a modern derailleur system.
  • 14 2
 Every gearbox I tried has friction/ drag in the lower range. Felt like riding in mud or sand when you are already climbing FGS.
  • 4 0
 @Chonky13: how about a Honda type system that used a version of a standard drive but centered around the frame
  • 1 1
 @kleinblake: Too short a space to move a chain over several cogs. I seem to recall the Honda was 7sp initially and then upgraded to 9sp or something like that.

Problem with gearboxes is that you have to either standarize (lol, that has worked so well in the bike industry) the mounting points/configuration or change frame and gearbox every time you change either unless you keep with the same manufacturer/model.
  • 4 0
 Electronic shifting is pretty neat.
  • 3 1
 I have an idea, what if I remove the ZF55 8sp gearbox from my car, toss out the torque converter and reverse gear, casing etc. then shrink it to fit in a standard BB, add another hi-lo range planetary gear to the chainring ..aka hammerschmit, make it hydraulic actuating with a electronic shifter, throw a cable in somewhere and eliminate the drag. I could enjoy a 16 speed with no maintenance, shift to any gear in an instant under speed or load on any frame I like - yep.
  • 1 0
 @bonfire: as a matter of fact, last week.I smashed and ripped my derailleur.It still happens in 2019 and I often go thru 2 somethings 3 derailleur a year.Also,ripping is just part of the problem.Derailleur may not always get ripped off on impact but most certainly get all sloppy and start shifting like poop..My riding buddy has a Zerode and Ive seen him punch a hole in that gearboxe twice already.He fancied himself some kind of armour now and he took it completely off on his DH G2.

If derailleur are so readily available its because of their inherent nature.They are designed to break and in the event of an impact make you buy a new one.

I never said current gearboxes were perfect, far from it, its my point actually.Intsead of wasting time developing these, the bike industry should be spending more time perfecting gearboxes...If you dont see how derailleurs are the weakest and most outdated tech on your bike, you aren’t spending enough time on your bike ;-)
  • 17 2
 Can't wait for internal gears to be a normal thing. I'm not fond of this derailleur stuff.
  • 13 0
 I think the Box 1x9 is going in a better direction than a 1x13. And a hydraulic shifter....... It just makes me want to hold on to my 1x11 Bronson that much longer than buy anything new.
  • 12 1
 Does it have that extra gear that you try and get when going up a really steep climb only to find that the thumb lever doesn't move anymore because you're already on the granny ring? Give me that extra gear, please...actuate it by cable, wireless, hydraulic, or even Unicorn poop, but just give it to me.

Sincerely,
Dying on the Uphill
  • 20 1
 That gear is called shoe.
  • 10 1
 At that point, it’s faster to walk.
  • 2 1
 That extra low gear you use only to find out you can't carry enough forward speed to stay upright....
  • 8 0
 Someone please post up their results (including cockpit configuration) pairing this with an Alfine rear hub. You want range? Cuz that's how you get range.

Bonus points if you do above but 2x up front. My math says 11 x 13 x 2 = 286 gears. Eff you cross-chaining, and eff you big rigs.
  • 4 0
 Might as well put a triple on it and shoot the moon.
  • 3 0
 @clink83: Don't be ridiculous. A triple with 11x13 rear? GTFO.
  • 2 0
 Had a friend do something similar with a recumbent build years ago. Triple crankset and two separate 7 speed cassettes for a total 147. Also built a set of V brakes 4-5 years pre Shimano for his MTB.
  • 1 0
 I can do good wheelies with this!
  • 12 3
 Here's an idea. Design suspension around a 22t front NW sprocket, thereby allowing the use of an 8-36t cassette. Weight savings galore.
  • 15 3
 And replace your cogs every 3 months.
  • 2 6
flag nurseben (Sep 2, 2019 at 21:18) (Below Threshold)
 @zyoungson: nah, it’d last longer than that, 22t is standard stuff for 2x mountain.

I run a 26t chainting with XT 12sp, works great, total stump puller.
  • 1 0
 Amen!
  • 2 1
 @nurseben: 26t is the smallest that I can find for 1x MTB. I had a 25t on my single speed DJ with a 9t rear. I swear it could climb better than my 1x11.
  • 4 0
 @nurseben: you're climbing walls with that thing?
  • 2 1
 @crashtor: stationary pedaling is a thing
  • 2 1
 @zyoungson: My 10spd Shimano 11-36 SLX cassette lasts for years. It is WAY cheaper and ecologically minded to just replace a front sprocket, and if it is 22t, you could easily get away with using case hardened steel with minimal weight gain. It would wear marginally more and last for about 10 years.
  • 1 1
 @crashtor: depends on what the rear cassette is. Also, some people spin, others like to hammer a 34t 1×. As long as you're out riding more power to you!
  • 1 0
 Not sure if it was just a joke, but even a 9T is pushing it. You're compromising smoothness, efficiency, and durability.
  • 1 0
 @HollyBoni:
"You're compromising smoothness, efficiency, and durability." sounds like the motto of weight weenies
  • 1 0
 @zede: I own steel bikes (I know, what a hipster would say). Not sure how you've made the connection between being obsessed with weight savings, and wanting a durable product that works good, but ok (and btw, smaller cogs and smaller chainrings are a weight saving...). I guess you just can't win in the pinkbike comments.

I want more range! Next day: that's too much range!
I want more gears! No, that's stupid, 9 speed is the best!
10T cogs are cool! No, they're stupid. No they're not, I want 8T!
  • 1 0
 @HollyBoni: I think you misunderstood what I wrote
  • 1 0
 @zede: Oh yeah probably, you meant the motto for the negative side of weight weenieism? I could see that, although I guess a weenie would argue that lighter is always more efficient.
I guess I just thought that mottos are usually about positive stuff.
  • 10 0
 do we turn the 13th gear upside down?
  • 7 0
 Why don't they make something cool like a back to front casette that shaves your shin hairs while riding...
  • 9 1
 “Finally!” -no one
  • 5 0
 "10% more than you get on the Shimano XTR 12 speed despite the extra cog."
- This is a bit misleading, you actually get 98% of the Rotor's range with Shimano
  • 5 0
 Chains already die faster on a 11/12 speed system, having to replace a chain at .5% wear. 10 or less, you get 150% improvement. So 13 speed.....replace you chain every week?
  • 1 0
 Exactly what I was thinking about. Then imagine that system on an e-mtb with the additional torque it supposes. Chain has to be replaced every 50km?
I definitely stick to my Sram X9 10 speeds system with a custom cassette, `cos less is more / more is less.
  • 2 0
 They don't though. Not sure what you're doing to them.
  • 1 0
 @JohanG: yeah, they do die faster. You should replace an 11 or 12 speed chain at .5% wear. 10 or below, .75%. you get 1.5x wear on lower speed chains. Or you can run them longer and destroy your cogs. Whichever you prefer I guess.
  • 1 0
 Could you explain why do I need to replace 11/12spd chains at 0.5% instead of 0.75%? Also, why do 11/12 chains wear faster?

Not trying to argue, genuinely curious.
  • 3 0
 Can't help but think they might just get *some* extra sales if they did a cheaper bundle without the cranks included. If "the thinking here is that riders may want hydraulic performance without having to swap out too many parts" why bother forcing people to buy something they've already got that isn't necessary for the system to work?
  • 3 0
 Open to hydraulic shifting, the whole, "gear war" is ridiculous though. Pretty happy when Box intoduced the 9 speed recently. Hydraulic shifting seems pretty much like a good idea, as long as it's reliable, I bet those shift paddles feel like magic.
  • 3 0
 Yikes, sounds like Statler and Waldorf are running the forum today... What's wrong with a small brand, taking on financial risk, trying to differentiate themselves from the big 2? Maybe it's not going to be the perfect drivetrain, but maybe there's something to it.
  • 3 0
 I say good on them, Karl Benz and Henry Ford had an idea or two. Personally, I don't see myself needing hydraulic shifting, but something might come from it. Does anyone remember when disc brakes first made their appearance on bikes? Sram was just Grip Shift, and Shimano claimed it would never last (too heavy, bulky, high maintenance, impracticable..). Now spec'd on most bikes (even Road). How about Dropper Posts, or 1x drive trains...GIMMICKS (that's sarcasm, BTW).
Now if someone could invent a single speed non shifting drivetrain, and if you pedaled backwards it would slow you down, or stop you, now that would be innovation.
  • 7 0
 Bring on the gearboxes.
  • 2 0
 I am fine with 1x11 or 1x10 honestly, I don´t get the reason companies are trying 12sp, 13sp...it is still damned cassette and chain and the looooong cages on rear mech..drives me nuts, redesign pinion and bring us efficient gearbox in a good weight
  • 2 0
 I don't understand the difference between 34-tooth a 30-tooth and whatever else is used as a front cog with even less of a concept about 12 and 13 gears in the back. I have a 1x11 and sometimes I have to walk my bike up steep stuff and I'm okay with that. The whole mtb market has really gone overboard afaic.
  • 4 0
 Wait a minute, that thing..even the cheapest one is more expensive than pinion? Are you serious? For a derailleur based system? So we should pay more because it´s a history?
  • 2 0
 They've got to make a super strong and resilient housing piece to make me want to go that route....if they're just using standard hydraulic hose without and metal finish work to strengthen it then I'm waiting for that to come about. I like how you won't have friction issues with regards to cables but I wonder how the Heat and Cold will affect it. If it holds good then the mineral oil shouldn't freeze up...but let's not forget what the cold does to our air suspension and dropper posts so I'm thinking it'll still have some binding possibly...
  • 5 0
 This is getting a bit ridiculous, don't you think?
  • 14 0
 NO. FOURTEEN.
  • 4 0
 @scvkurt03: Shimano already owns patent of it since '99.
  • 2 0
 @atiboa: Which expires... today.
  • 7 1
 But why?
  • 4 2
 Nine is fine with me. Not box tho for budget reasons. Microshift works for me another gear won't really help. Hydraulics on a derrailer come on. Needlessly complicated. Use that in -15°f and see if it still works
  • 2 0
 Yup. I’ve been ringing an advent drivetrain for months and it works perfectly. I won’t be spending big money on a drivetrain again. I have before and the return on investment is just not there.
  • 4 0
 Do they make wheels without drive-side spokes? Gonna need them soon at this rate.
  • 2 0
 Lefty wheels? I mean, with normal, sane-gauge wire spokes, that would be disastrous, but it's 2019... might be workable.
  • 3 0
 Wireless spokes coming soon.
  • 5 0
 10 gears with the range of eagle is all that's needed
  • 2 1
 With electronic and even wireless electronic shifting being the direction of choice for Shimano & SRAM it really seems a bit backward for Rotor to be dealing with hydraulics. Can't really see any advantage to choosing hydro over cables, let alone over electronic.
  • 2 3
 because it wont have a flat battery when you forget to charge it
  • 2 0
 This might be the first time we’ve ever agreed.

This is nonsense.

Odds of a shop ever actually having the tooling to work in this? Or the parts? Blown freehub body? Best of luck sourcing that, ever. Like it’s a novel idea, but it’s a joke.
  • 2 2
 @zyoungson: someone hasn’t actually ridden it. Haha

I usually get a couple weeks of every day riding out of one charge. Then it only takes 1-2 hours to fully charge. You’d have to be pretty dumb to go out on a ride with a dead battery.
  • 2 0
 @zyoungson: I think that's a massively overblown "problem"... I've never gone to use my cell phone and found it dead cause I forgot to charge it, never gone to use my gopro and found it dead cause I forgot to charge it, never found my GPS dead cause I forgot to charge it. Our lives are full of shit that needs to be charged regularly and we have had no trouble adapting to accommodate that, electric shifting is just one more battery.
  • 2 0
 Still happy with Sram 11spd with 46t cheater rings. No reason to jump to 12 ore anything more for that matter. The new BOX 9spd system looks good if they can drop more weight.
  • 2 0
 The weight is very competitive if you're willing to spend 360$ on the Box One cassette. It's about the same weight as the XX1 Eagle.
  • 1 0
 @Leicester: I'm referring to the other parts of the set namely the shifter and derailleur.
  • 1 0
 I bet the shifting feels buttery smooth and precise at the shifter. Never having to adjust or deal with contamination sounds convenient. That being said, I am more than happy with XTR M9000 11-speed purchased on closeout before the newest generation was released. Last year's latest and greatest is fine for my needs.
  • 3 0
 13 gears, electronic shifting and suspension etc all great advancements but absolutely not my thing but thats cool as i have other options, choices are good.
  • 1 0
 " Rotor have already released a hydraulic groupset with their Uno system but that was hardly a runaway success when it comes to sales. Instead, Rotor have treated it as a learning experience and have apparently improved it on the 1x13 groupset."

They can improve the groupset as much as they can but they apparently didn't learn that those kind of price will put down 99% of the users and the last 1% will be wary of the reliability of a relatively new kind of technology (yeah I know about the older Acros system). Add to that no OEM builds I can't see the new groupset being more successful.
  • 2 0
 What about the hub? How much does it cost alone? What's the freehub design? Does is have pawls or drive rings or what? How many POE? Is it J bend? Does it come in 130, 135, 142, 148 or what? More hub details please.
  • 2 0
 What I don’t get is why if it’s a hydraulic system do they have that BIG LOOP of hose out to the derailleur, when they can route it at a right angle and make a really clean and tight hose route?!
  • 2 1
 STOP IT, JUST STOP IT MTB world, I just got a brand new shimano xt 12 speed...just stop doing this to us. we're happy riders and content with all you've given, now stop with all these stupid small changes
  • 1 0
 Any bets on how many units of these they sell globally? Couple hundred at most? Real head scratcher of a product going up against AXS and XTR9100... would assume Shimano will have wireless Di2 2.0 at some point as well.
  • 4 0
 Rotor is really shifting how people feel about drivetrain.
  • 1 0
 stop that right now sir.
  • 3 0
 Stop derailing the conversation; you need to complain about how 13 speeds is too many
  • 1 0
 And I was wondering when brakes would go wireless?
Seriously, If it works for brakes and every major piece of earth moving equipment on the planet,
maybe it works for rear mechs too. I'm open minded..
  • 1 1
 So cool reading all this comments related to cog number, and it seems ok to pay +350€ for a drivetrain!

Yeah...sure, it shifts a LOT better than full XT, yeaahhh, it will make your bike lighter (like...300grm????).....

But at the end of the day, the truth is, I won't see a system like this, riding on somelse bike, on my trails, during my life spam......like the Acros RD. Yeah... nice, yeah....luxury item...yeah for boutique bikes

.
  • 2 0
 SMH ... run XT 1x11 with no need or desire to change any time soon This wider range thing is getting blown way outta proportion
  • 1 0
 Honestly, how in the name of good f*ck did that get past any form of business review? They won't sell any of these things. Waste of investment and a waste of time unfortunately.
  • 3 0
 cool concept... but why wouldn't you just AXS Eagle for that price?
  • 3 0
 CVT on a bike would be cool
  • 2 0
 in 2020 we will said, "Oh no......my rd cable need a bleed an has more air bubble" Big Grin
  • 1 0
 Just registered to say it's a crap. Box's 9speed for the win. I'm personally using Zee derailleur with 8speed system all around
  • 1 0
 The industry has my whole hearted support with the "moar sprockets" arms race ON THE CONDITION they keep manufacturing 9 speed.

9 is fine.
  • 3 0
 Nah
  • 2 0
 Next year, all carbon four chainring cranckset
  • 2 0
 More stupid from the bicycle industry. A bunch of knuckle heads.
  • 2 0
 Every single comment has been negative so far.
  • 2 1
 I don't think it's a terrible idea at all for XC racers or gravel bikes.
  • 2 0
 More interested in going from 12 speed to Box's 9 speed.
  • 1 0
 I kinda want to try the box components 9 speed for the fraction of the price
  • 1 0
 K.I.S.S. - i'm good w/my Jagwire compressionless cable system, thank you very much
  • 1 0
 There's no such thing as a 'closed system'.
I'm sure it shifts nicely, but hydraulic shifting? really? Lunacy.
  • 2 0
 Altus 7spd über alles!!!
  • 1 0
 I guess this is not going to be bestseller, there is just no point to have 13 speed if the range is almost same.
  • 2 0
 Dirt jumpers have left the chat
  • 3 0
 No thanks
  • 2 0
 Just like another new smartphone - 7+ cameras. More != better.
  • 2 0
 What's next, Bluetooth brakes?
  • 2 0
 nice, keep making 11-speed XT cheaper
  • 2 0
 520 over 510 is not 10% more. Pretty basic sums.
  • 1 0
 and here I am still riding a 1x10. I'm gonna hold out till at least 15 speed.
  • 3 0
 I’m still on 1x9..
Altus + goatlink and generic 11-50 taiwanese cassette + 32t oval NW ring..works great even though need to readjust the RD after every 100km..
Btw,I’m broke AF..
  • 1 0
 This is the kind of crap that will make us all buy E-Bikes....yeah it will, dont lie! Big Grin
  • 1 0
 "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."
  • 1 0
 GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! If 9 is fine and 13 is the new trend, then 11 would be the right balance. Stick with your 11s....
  • 1 0
 "Basically maintenance free. They're saying once a year you should flush the fluid..." LOL
  • 2 0
 You lost me at 13
  • 2 0
 Will wait for the 1x15
  • 5 0
 I want 1x27. Hydraulic, wireless, smart app adjustable with telemetry
  • 3 0
 @Bersekr: also must be carbon
  • 6 0
 @Bersekr: good idea, and you have to be logged on Facebook otherwise you can't shift
  • 3 0
 @Bersekr: surely comes with a bottlecage built in
  • 1 0
 9, 11, 12, and now 13. What a world we live in.
  • 3 0
 Its like... whats next?

Also, don’t forget the infamous 10, also 8 speed eras
  • 2 1
 @lognar:
10 speed is like the middle child; It just didn't catch on or stick around for long mostly due to the absence of Shimano/SRAM 1X support for it.
  • 1 0
 @woofer2609: I think it’s alright
  • 2 0
 BUT WHY!!
  • 2 0
 Just because will be bought by some idiots at the beginning, then, because of it's "popularity" it will become the new standard. Also all the big companies will stop producing high quality cassettes/chains/chainrings for your "old" 11 speed setup, forcing you to buy a complete new groupset. THAT's WHY!
  • 3 0
 @atiboa: I'm still rocking the 10 speed don't care about standards
  • 1 0
 @cyberoptixs: Me too, also on my hardtail FR bike I have 9speed setup Smile
  • 2 0
 @atiboa: what kind of hardtail I have a chromag stylus
  • 2 0
 @cyberoptixs: NS Surge Evo with a Fox Talas 36 160mm
  • 1 5
flag MTBJG (Sep 3, 2019 at 1:53) (Below Threshold)
 @cyberoptixs: 3x9 was also perfectly fine. 1x kind of messed everything up.
  • 2 0
 @MTBJG: Yeah I remember that constant rattling of the chain on the front mech. And using it to hook the chain back on to the correct ring after it fell off more often than actually changing gears. That metallic scraping noise when you are cross chaining a little too much and dont want to drop a ring and 3 cogs on the back to sort it out?
Pure bliss
  • 2 0
 Airlines 2.0?
  • 2 0
 No Thanks!
  • 1 0
 All I need is like the 8 largest cogs on my 11 speed cassette...lol
  • 2 0
 this is nucking futs
  • 2 1
 Useless fucking useless and unneeded
  • 1 2
 Yeeaaah.....hard fucking pass! Fist bump on the ingenuity, but shame on you for trying to butt fuck our wallets.....yeah yeah I know it's a new product blah blah blah.
  • 1 0
 Hydra shifting - yes please! This is way to go, 13 gears - wtf?
  • 1 0
 13....unlucky for some....
  • 1 0
 Another product nobody asked for
  • 2 0
 No thanx
  • 1 0
 Cost: €2,549/£2,399/$2,599

People buy entire bikes for that.
  • 1 0
 You better put un cable inside the system for safety.
  • 1 0
 Its been a big week for Sram and Shimano....
  • 1 0
 Hmm. Couldn't just settle on one solution looking for a problem, need two.
  • 1 0
 How much is that cassette gonna cost? 500$?!
  • 1 0
 Seems like its trying to solve a problem nobody really has.
  • 1 0
 I stop at 12-spd. No Thanks
  • 1 0
 Coming soon: Wolftooth Rotor cable convert kit.
  • 1 0
 "Bike people are stupid, they will buy anything" ... said every bike brand
  • 1 0
 13 speed.... Ooooooo ! How much ? Noooooo !
  • 1 1
 Can I get a volume spacer for my shifter so the gears ramp up more progressively?
  • 1 0
 Ride single speed. Too many 1st world problems.
  • 12 13
 People can use this on their new e-bike to be an even bigger fat turd. #workonfitness
  • 1 0
 I want the $2600 setup.
  • 2 0
 Just show a middle finger to everyone and order custom frame with pinion and gates belt drive.
  • 1 1
 Any ratio of less than 1:1 and you might as well just walk
  • 1 2
 shimano reaction: impossibru

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