Round Up: 5 Lubes for Wet Weather Riding

Feb 26, 2019
by Pinkbike Staff  



Whether you meticulously clean and lube your bike after every wet-weather ride, or your bike gets ridden hard and put away wet (that's us, sorry), your drivetrain needs extra care in the winter. We take a quick look at five different chain lube options for wet weather riding.

*SPONSORED: this article is supported by Pedros, Maxima, Whistler Performance Lubes, Joes No Flats and Muc Off.







Pedro's Enduro Premium Wet Lube

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Manufacturer's Notes

• Extreme lasting performance with less mess in mixed to wet conditions.
• Proprietary lubricant package designed to optimize the chain surface coating characteristics and maximize performance for the intended riding conditions.
• Elevates efficiency, runs quiet, runs clean, reduces wear, and fully waterproof.
• Low odor, safe, biodegradable, natural lubricants, and plant-based ingredients.
• $12.50 USD
pedros.com





Maxima Synthetic Chain Guard

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Lube
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Manufacturer's Notes

• 100% Synthetic formula
• Waterproof
• Quiets chain & reduces drivetrain resistance
• Long lasting
• Improve shifting performance
• $9.95 USD
maximausa.com





Whistler Performance Lubes Wet Chain Lube

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Manufacturer's Notes

• Bio-based formula made with natural ingredients is PTFE-free, petroleum-free, non-toxic and environmentally friendly
• Proprietary Emulsifite Technology provides lubricant with dynamic cleaning abilities and prevents black goop build up long-term
• The formula has been optimized for pedal efficiency, anti-wear, and longevity
• Resists rainwater but activates under high-pressure water, so accumulated dirt and grime is easy to spray off with a hose
• Made in Canada
• $13.99 CDN
wplbike.com





Joes No Flats Eco-Nano Wet Lube

Joes No Flats Wet Lube

Joes No Flats Wet Lube
Joes No Flats Wet Lube

Manufacturer's Notes

• Super clean, water-based, eco-friendly chain lube
• Uses nano-particles to reduce friction and increase chain life
• Works through mud, rain, creek crossings, etc. (tested in the rain-forest of Appalachian Mountains)
• Award-winning eco-friendly chain lube... the forest will thank you!
• $10.90 USD for 125ml. Also comes in 30ml bottles to keep in pack, MSRP: $5:50
joes-no-flats.com, bikefettish.com





Muc-Off Wet Lube

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Manufacturer's Notes

• Ensures silky smooth gear shifts & reduces friction
• Repels water for chain and component protection
• Excels in wet, muddy riding conditions
• Vegetable-oil-based formula for eco-protection
• Biodegradable
• UK: £4.49 / US: $5.49
muc-off.com





What wet-lube do you use in the rainy season?


274 Comments

  • + 265
 I usually find that when it’s already wet I don’t need any lube...
  • + 39
 Ba-dumm-tss!
  • + 3
 stick with nature, can't go wrong
  • + 41
 The CBD lube makes you last longer and access to certain terrain may be granted.
  • + 12
 I the worst case you can always spit on it Big Grin
  • + 79
 Scrolled straight to the comments section, was not disappointed.
  • + 3
 Hes here all night ladies and gentlemen
  • + 26
 Older bikes requires more lubing than newer ones.
  • + 2
 Daisy chains tend to be self lubbing.
  • + 1
 For rolling in the hay...

goo.gl/images/4XAVjB
  • - 10
flag Serpentras (Feb 27, 2019 at 0:40) (Below Threshold)
 Right, only stuff what should be used is dry lube. Anything else will stick shit to the drive train for even more wear. Wet lube is the most stupid thing. Even more crap will stick to the drive train.
  • + 1
 @Serpentras: its true, but how do you get the dry lube inside the rollers
  • + 1
 @englertracing: Well I am not sure how much adhesion the dry lube actually has but every chain I use since I switched seemed to get more lifespan. The point that we don't need chemicals to clean the drivetrain is maybe enough that the rollers will work.
Still more lifespan even in the winter shows me that wetlube is a thing from the past.
  • + 3
 @dobermon: Indeed. Backcountry riding w/o lube would not be fun.
  • + 113
 All I want to know is which is most eco so that I can feel morally superior about it. Choice of chain lube is indeed a great occasion to save the world and look down on others
  • + 3
 rofl. well said.
  • - 39
flag RollinFoSho (Feb 26, 2019 at 9:30) (Below Threshold)
 What a grump. Nothing to do with moral superiority. Stop acting like a dinosaur.
  • + 130
 @RollinFoSho: lin oil. Land and sea transported, harvested during full moon, naturally pressed by transgender squirells who identify as wombats.
  • - 30
flag RollinFoSho (Feb 26, 2019 at 9:46) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: I rest my case
  • + 8
 Yeah, but I got this plutonium lube... it may shorten the life of you, everyone you ride with, and all the animals in the forests, but hey... we're pretty close to the end times I'm sure I'll be raptured up to heaven.
  • + 34
 For all of you who actually care about the environment, please be aware that the Joe's No Flats "eco" lube uses PTFE's which are not eco-friendly in the slightest. WPL uses actual bio-based materials as ingredients.
  • + 29
 Waki is make or break everyday. People either love him or hate him, but the dude just speaks his mind and I respect it.
  • + 6
 Olive oil, for your chain and anything else you want to be slippy.
  • + 20
 @gooutsidetoday: Everyone is entitled to an opinion, just please be aware that toxic substances do wash off your bike into the environment anytime you clean the bike. If you are using a conventional dry lube, the petroleum-based wax is flaking off into the trails as you are riding. There is a similar problem in winter sports with ski waxes washing into bodies of water. Europe just banned the use of ski waxes containing PTFEs for any racing level other than Pro. And like touching ski wax, touching these lubricants can lead to contamination of your own blood.

May not be a huge deal, but if you think it is, use a bio-based lube. Be mindful of "eco" lubes that contain petroleum or PTFEs!
  • + 16
 @WPL-oils: I have nothing against people trying to make least poisonous lubes, bravo to them, but the amount of BS (like “eco” lube with PTFE) and climate bullying is simply creating opposite reaction in many. People are not stupid and don’t like to be talked down to like children. Petroleum is a family of plant based substances. It is also biodegradable. It just takes longer... but if someone starts claiming that he has some plant based chain lube that is super organic and natural, then please drink it mdr fkr before you use another holistic word.
  • + 29
 I use Sperm Whale oil.
  • - 30
flag krattAtak (Feb 26, 2019 at 11:04) (Below Threshold)
 @WPL-oils: The environment is fine, the earth is not going to end because a couple drops or bike oil or ski wax touches the ground.
  • + 4
 Clearly the answer to this is the one in the green bottle. It's also non-gmo AND gluten free!!
  • + 9
 @krattAtak: You could use that logic to justify pretty much anything.
  • + 13
 I found this article useful. I didn't know about these products. I'v been using Triflow and I'v always wanted to find something a little cleaner. My choice has nothing to do with (as you say) looking down on others and feeling morally superior. To the contrary, looking up at others who follow, such as my children.
  • + 2
 @RollinFoSho: your post shows that you are adding ethical value to the choice of a fricking chain lube... I fly Lufthansa because they are a chemtrail free company
  • + 5
 @Naturel: You shouldn't. Doesn't taste good. But you could. It's sterile.
  • + 2
 @pakleni: How would you know how taste...
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: what are your thoughts on chemtrails? why are they doing it?
  • + 9
 @WAKIdesigns: "People are not stupid." You've changed your tune.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: its called virtue signaling and people on here LOVE to do just that.
  • + 1
 @WPL-oils: Would be interesting to see a comparison between eco-friendly chain lubrication. I've been using Green-Oil for well over ten years. At some point, I couldn't find it anymore so I stocked up on the Weldtite Pure oil which didn't turn out to be as eco friendly as it was supposed to be. Now I'm back on Green-Oil. I like that even their bottles are recycled PE from the kind that no one wants because it is "contaminated" with other colours. Now obviously as you are a competitor I won't require you to rank yours against the products of other companies. But I'm curious whether you see any advantage of your product against that of Green-Oil. I know yours is made in Canada which is a plus for some of your customers. But I live in The Netherlands so it is better to have mine made in and shipped from the UK. Cheers!
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: glad i went for the archoil ar9100 aerosol instead
  • + 2
 @RollinFoSho: geo engineering (chemtrails) in usa government admitted to stratospheric injections which they claim is for climate control and global warming using barium, strontium and aluminium to replicate volcanic ash, cools the atmosphere. if you want to know about heavy metal chelation, just ask
  • - 1
 @WAKIdesigns: could you elaborate on chemtrails? Lufthansa doesn't spray?
  • + 6
 @RollinFoSho: Lufthansa is not spraying. You have to believe me on that. Fly Emirates is said to allow women to spray by 2021
  • + 6
 @WAKIdesigns: said the man on the very tall horse
  • + 9
 WAKIdesigns: "your post shows that you are adding ethical value to the choice of a fricking chain lube."

I do as much as I can wherever possible, it all adds up.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I’ll take two.
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: Except people are stupid, but they don’t like being talked to like they are.
  • + 1
 They pre- mix that shit right in the jet fuel over here...50to1 @WAKIdesigns:
  • + 6
 I use bacon fat
  • + 2
 Haha. Too funny.
  • + 1
 I'm quite sure half of those claiming to be biodegradeable is not. Joe's had one with some green stamp on that contained PTFE, which is both poisonous and not biodegradeable. I believe I've seen that from Muc-Off as well. All bio-friendly lubes for wet weather i have tried isn't very easy to clean. But wax like Squirt works ok in wet weather for shorter rides.
  • + 6
 @Hyakian: there are no horses in the void.
@robdpzero: Barium trioxide and intermediate state pyroxides. When inhaled, even in microscopic dosages, they attack the trans-hypolyphic center inside the thyroid responsible for production of teta-chloro-asgamine trans hormone, which gives our brains ability to recognize complex hidden threats, like corporate conspiracies. They put same poisons in polio and measels vaccines prepping our children to be obedient workers and spenders. If you read about it, it makes plenty of sense.
  • + 11
 @WAKIdesigns: When does it kick in? My children aren't obedient workers yet.
  • + 2
 @WPL-oils: Is your biobased oil filled in a biodegradable bottle?
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Clearly you're joking about the mind control thing. Advertising, marketing and the illusion of democracy have been proven to be the most effective methods, don't require a jet plane or potentially problematic chemical spraying, and allow people to convince themselves that they make their own choices. The weather modification thing is less unrealistic, but it's more likely to be concentrated in the US where the sheer surface area allows you to get away with all sorts of shenanigans and the industry lobbies run the show in a way more unfettered way than elsewhere - and they have the resources. If they need certain ideal weather conditions for their GM crops to grow, you can bet they will obtain them somehow. You can't get corn to grow higher by infiltrating its facebook feed. Damn, conspiracy theorizing is a minefield.
  • + 3
 @BenPea: I am not joking , how dare you, I've spent 5 weeks off Pinkbike once only to find time to research this stuff. It is all legits! Barium trioxide will make your dick fly off
  • - 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Firstly. Synthetic lubricants are better than ones based on petrochemicals. Secondly petrochemicals are not biodegradable. Look at the rainbow in the puddles after washing a bike (should you still be using petrochemical based lubricants). Lastly, you always talk down to people, plus being rude, sexist, biased... Ach Waki quit drinking please.
  • + 2
 @Keit: sexist and rude... Since you are too much of a pussy to unveil your identity (which often means there is nothing to write home about after meeting you) tell me, does it ever bother you that you were never one of the boys? Being a good boy is not easy. Or were you in a upper class schoold where everyone walked with stick up their butt?
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: are we still talking about lube?
  • + 2
 @BenPea: yes, but hair gel at best. He would never use Durex lube. Offensive and sexist.
  • + 1
 @Keit: petrochemicals break down in soil to create carbon dioxide and water. Microbes do the work. There are ways to accelerate this ( aeration and the addition of "good" bacteria. Does oil in excess kill flora? Yes, so best avoided, but it is biodegradable.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm sure the 12 people with measles in BC currently are reconsidering their choice to not get vaccinated. They probably think it is some type of conspiracy that they are now infected.
  • + 2
 @woofer2609: Plutonium is biodegradeable. It takes 150k years but eventually...
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: " A study reported that oil wastes sludge from petrol stations and petroleum residues from a refinery decomposed to 78- 93% during 4.5 months of composting with horse manure."
Comparing plutonium to oil is like comparing apples to sheep.
www.omicsonline.org/open-access/treatment-of-oil-sludge-contamination-by-composting-2155-6199-1000284.php?aid=50352
(Please do not take this as a sign to crap on the trail if you use petro based oil on your chainSmile )
  • + 1
 @WPL-oils: How come you fail to list any physical, toxilogical or ecological information on the Safety Data Sheets?

Your Dry-Lube for example is 80-90% Ethanol, but you fail to list any information in the physical characteristics about flash point.

Your Suspension oils, SDS lack info on Kinematic Viscosity, (the whole point of buying suspension oil)

Can you provide more information on the products you produce?
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: so you up for that race? Or still a nugget?
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Metaphorical horses exist everywhere.
  • + 1
 @Keit: I am not racing with Joeys. I may as well fight a school kid.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: you assume too much, know too little and are ill behaved. Commonly referred to as excess baggage. Ever heard those words at home?
  • + 2
 @Keit: judging by your language you suck.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns @Keit: Is this what bicycle racing has become? A discussion over the internet, typed on a sponsored all logoed up keyboard with room for a bottle. Sealant everywhere when scrubbing a bit too hard. All whilst seated on a (quite reliable) dropper mechanism equipped desk chair. Low for the aggressive sections, high when you get the opportunity to catch your breath again.

Ah c'mon, just have your proper bike race. Assign a date, time, pick your bike and report back here when you're done and the race is decided. Enjoy!
  • - 2
 @vinay: I am old fashioned, there are rules, and the pretender has not presented his credentials to qualify him to a race. I asked for a video of the gentlemen riding, at least a couple of pictures. My credentials are found on my instagram account and there's not much to be proud of, but enough. A trained eye can see skill level based on position on the bike. The credibility assessment is necessary because I have not met a single bike engineer or a good rider on this site, who would not back his cred up with proof material in a matter of 2-3posts. So he is either an amazing lone wolf (very low probability), or is simply too bad to realize how bad he is.

On a reasonable note: who would spend 500-1000£ to travel to a place he has no intention to go and race a dude over an argument over the internet... some people lose touch with reality. Now, we were joking about green-shaming. Comedy flies way over this mans head which means he does not meet too much people he can challenge his views with...
  • + 1
 @vinay: nah I just want Waki to put his wheels where he puts his keyboard. Ever since his pro doping comments I find this person unacceptable. Unfortunately my assumption was proven correctly. He is a just a foul mouthed person of poor character.
  • + 1
 @woofer2609: On the topic of MTB chain oil polluting the enviroment: if oil is dripping from your chain you're doing it wrong in the 1st place...

Trail trash on the other hand is a big peeve of mine. Lazy bastards. Someone should shit in their coffee for a week. Maybe use trail dog shit? There's an idea!
  • + 1
 @m1dg3t: If you apply chain lube to your chain and after some rides you need to do that again, apparently some lube left your chain during those rides. Where did it go?
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: I have cooked eggs with our ForkBoost and Wet Chain Lube products. It tasted like garbage but we have done as you have asked.
  • + 1
 @erlingba: Except for WPL bio-based lubes. We are fully plant-based and actually eco-friendly.
  • + 2
 Forget the eco aspect, their lubes work really well. Between the fork and chain boost, they are all I use any more. I ride in the PNW, see a fair amount of wet, the lube holds up very well without having to be heavily applied and it doesn't see to attract dust and debris like other lubes.
  • + 2
 @Honda750 @Naturel :

kinematic viscosity can be found here: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0641/4023/files/suspension-oil-PDS1.1.pdf?12949137896160710627

When creating SDS sheets, you submit CAS numbers for the contents of the materials used in your product and if there are any toxicological/ecological hazards associated with it then you must list them. If there are none, there is nothing to list. That is why there is not much information.

We try to be as transparent as we can without telling people exactly what our formulas are, for obvious reasons.

Any other questions we are happy to answer, just email us at info@wplbike.com.
  • + 1
 @smittypete: no plastic bottles are biodegradable by our standards. There exist bio-based polymer bottles however these are hard to find and there are also recycled plastic bottles but they are always plastic in the end and will not biodegrade for many hundreds of years. This is an unfortunate reality of plastic. Please recycle.
  • + 1
 @vinay: Yes it would be interesting to have that comparison done.

The advantage our products have over competitors are in the performance aspect of the product. We are commonly viewed as having a better quality product than other bio-based brands.

We also have distributors in Europe so you can acquire it there and not have it shipped from Canada!
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: where I am from they would all beat you.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: which one of the five languages. this is you isnt it? +46 75 734 52 98
lets race, final call for real men. no talk just action. Shall I continue?
  • + 1
 @Keit: what are you on about? Did you just give me your phone number?
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Plutonium is biodegradeable. Back to school with you!
  • + 1
 @vinay: There is such a minimal amount to begin with. It get's contaminated with dust/dirt. I wash my bikes after every ride or so depending how dirty I'd imagine some comes off in the wash...
  • + 1
 @woofer2609: how long does this process take? does it occur naturally? you may find that the term biodegradable and with relation to processed petrochemicals are not entirely the same chapter.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: "who would spend 500-1000£" the answer is a real man! Smile
  • + 1
 @Keit: A real man starts a conversation by presenting himself, actually, any human being with basic social skills does. And no only an idiot would do that. Only an idiot would propose a race to settle an online argument. Go out and meet people. You have no clue how to behave. So, whats your name and adress, where should I go? Honestly, you hsve to be such an antisocial insecure pussy to be affraid to unveil your personality online.
  • + 1
 An article that actually had two opposing parties who hurled insults about who is a better rider would make a great PB article. If both parties (@WAKIdesigns and @Keit ) both agree, I will start a GoFundMe page to make this happen. Riding location TBD, I'm open to suggestions. I will personally donate $5 to get it started.
  • + 1
 @Keit: The very in-depth article that was provided goes over all this. (This does not mean I advocate for spilling oil, and destroying nature, but that there is the potential for the planet to heal itself if we stop killing it faster than it can heal itself.)
  • + 2
 @Keit: then do it
  • + 1
 @WPL-oils: Thanks a lot for your response! I've got to admit that once I found a (online) dealer that sells Green-Oil I stocked up some of that so I'm in no immediate rush to buy another chain lube right now. But I'll definitely keep it in mind. If your products make my chain last longer of course that's a huge plus. Though I'm already on E-bike chains and as it is my cassette deforms more (burrs in one week of riding with a fresh chain and cassette) than the chain. Not sure if the lube could help that. My guess is that it is because I stand up when I ride and stomp my pedals quite hard. I think the smaller cassette sprockets are not designed for that (11-36 in the rear, 34 oval in the front). Or would you think a better cleaning/lubing routine/product could help that?

Either way, I'm actually interested in an environmentally friendly tire sealant. I actually kept riding with latex tubes until May last year. A punctured tube I bring home and patch. A tubeless tire that won't seal anymore on a ride requires you to dump the sealant and install a tube. I didn't quite like that idea. Though last May I built a new bike and installed Schwalbe Procore. So technically still a tube but also sealant in the tire. I do appreciate the performance and so far I've never had a puncture that didn't seal. I'm currently using Oko sealant. Last Tuesday my tire picked up a screw, probably from a boardwalk section. I could remove the screw and the tire sealed though the Procore tube was punctured. But I only realized later when my tire was rolling and burping all over the place at the pressures I was used to ride at Wink . The puncture already left a spot of sealant where I removed the screw, but I must have lost a lot more sealant after that, judging by the spots on my rim. According to the manufacturer the stuff is safe to handle for the customer (as it doesn't contain ammonia or latex) though I don't know the effect it has on the trail. So yeah, if you think spilled sealant would be bad for nature I'd definitely be interested if you would develop one that's harmless. Cheers!
  • + 1
 @woofer2609: all proceeds to Waki. Location Les Gets. Track: PDV. I pay my own way.
  • + 1
 @woofer2609: a potential of healing itself is not biodegradable. Petrochemicals are not easily reabsorbed in nature.
  • + 1
 It's a no brainer. ie: if you had a container of WPL and a container of Triflow with P.T.F.E, which one would you choose to soak your hand in for an hour?
  • + 68
 Easily one of the worst posts ever by Pinkbike staff.. No review no commentary.. what a waste.
  • + 36
 It says right at the top that this is a paid advertisement not a review
  • + 3
 I think that they should have made the loser of an office bet put his/her byline on this.
  • + 11
 it was made for the comments.
  • + 6
 I guess "Round-up" is not a comparison. Just a product listing?
  • + 3
 @sutter2k: I guess it's an ad round-up. You know, for those who where thinking "man, I wish I could see all the wet lube ads in one place..."
  • + 6
 @BartDM: yes. These kind of articles are called “comment laxatives”
  • + 1
 agreed, its garbage..
  • + 2
 Ads like this keep pinkbike free for us so i ont see the problem
  • + 2
 @jonlees: Me neither. It is fun.
  • + 31
 Using eco friendly chain lube, shuttling to trails in Ram Hemi or Tundra.
  • + 20
 I'm guessing plenty of money has changed hands at Pinkbike over this article...

...from the staff betting on whether there would be more 'wahhh, you forgot to name my favourite lube' comments or 'heh heh heh, sexual reference, heh heh' comments.
  • + 22
 Rock N Roll or bust!!!
  • + 1
 Yep
  • + 1
 I use the Gold stuff by them but am not hip to all things lube. Is that a solid all year option? I saw Ryan Palmer talk about how wax based lubes, rather than oil, aren't that great. Wondering if that applies.
  • + 13
 CRC chain and cable lube. it makes me ride faster, look better. And in an aerosol can it promotes global warming. Because who doesn't want a shorter winter.
  • + 1
 Nothing smells like good old MX chain lube in the morning. Smells like Victory! The good old days might be over, damn.
  • + 3
 You meant "Because who doesn't want hurricane all year long?"
  • + 12
 Paid advertising. Lame Dumonde tech is the best I've tried
  • + 5
 Agreed. Nothing else compares.
  • + 2
 It’s so expensive though!
  • + 6
 I've been using WPL ever since they started out. Definitely the cleanest wet lube out there that I've found. Most wet lubes I find leave my drivetrain all gummed up and looking filthy. I find on my DH bike, I never have to degrease/clean my chain/cassette to get that "brand new" shine if I'm using WPL, even in the summer! Just a quick blast from a hose is enough to keep it shiny. On trail bikes it take more than just the hose to get the shine, but is still much better than other wet lubes out there, even Tri Flow. Getting a wet lube performance and longevity in a product that cleans up like dry lube doesn't get much better than that!
  • + 3
 Yep, great products, I also use their drylube, degreaser and ForkBoost lube on enduro race days.
  • + 3
 Yup same here (everything you said above) on top of which family owned company, really nice folks!
  • + 10
 Dumond tech is my go-to.
  • + 5
 dumonde tech free-hub grease and oil trumps all else I will say but their chain lube smells like it belongs in a sex shop, just like the entire muc-off range... infact my lady asked me which strip club I went to the first time I used muc-off. Of which my reply was "The Muckiest of brothels" HAHAHA
  • + 6
 The yellow Dumonde Tech chain lube. Smells so good, I think they even have to make a low VOC version to make it legal in California. Makes you want to lube your chain just to kill some brain cells.
  • + 9
 But I want the one that's illegal in California!
  • + 2
 @drunknride: you'll have to smuggle some in from Oregon or Nevada.
  • + 1
 Blue (original) is the version I use. It's also what they recommend for mountain bikes and cyclocross.
  • + 1
 Their Pro-X lubes are low VOC, but the lovely high VOC blue and yellow versions are still allowed in California and easily purchased
  • + 3
 The original (Blue) is da bomb. Lasts long, smells great (I snort it... bye-bye brain cells) and it's many rides before the chain and shifting goes metal to metal.

Was able to get it shipped to Cali from Amazon last week.

It's best to start with a totally clean and dry chain, then only use this one - don't lube with random other lubes.

Ideally lube the chain the night before so most of the carrier evaporates and little or no dust attracts to it during the ride.
  • + 1
 @drunknride: I'm in CA and buy in online and in stores all the time
  • + 7
 i dont endorse this at all, but Muc-offs wet lube smells like candy...oh and its amazing
  • + 9
 I had a friend who tasted it once. I don't, I mean, err, he doesn't think it tastes like candy.
  • + 3
 Sponsored by all the lubes discussed?
sooooooooooo what you're saying is that this post is a paid advertisement?

What does it cost for a post? Is it by the word? By the photo? Let me know maybe I'll buy some posts - ads, content, whatever you call it.
  • + 5
 Not trying to start an eco-war here but 'eco-friendly' wet lubes fade after the first water crossing. Then I'm stuck with a crunchy drivetrain for the rest of the ride.
  • + 7
 Try the WPL stuff. I've used it in conditions ranging from moon dust to British "winter" and it's been excellent.
  • + 6
 The sooner we have pinion gearboxes and belt drive the better. No more oily mess to deal with.
  • + 3
 Look, any bike chain and weather element-specific lube is going to perform well, and most manufacturers have, by now, solved the gunky buildup problem. So you know what I want to hear about?

1) Packaging: Cap easy to open/remove and doesn't break like that damn Finish Line garbage cap. Bottle is semi-flat for transport, durable, and squeezes well. Fluid applies well. Tip glides when it accidentally hits backspinning chain.
2) Odor: I don't want to gag on the smell of my own bike, even at trail speed. I'm talking to YOU, Tri-Flow.
3) Value: All things above being equal, cost per 4oz bottle is a good standard comparison that I appreciate from the article.
  • + 2
 I use Rock n Roll brand lubes on my Devinci Hendrix and on my Fender Stratocaster, im pretty sure it works like every other lube, but come on people it's called Rock n Roll...it is what Bob Weir would use on his bike, or Elvis for that matter..the Rolling Stones even wrote a song about it..." I know its only Rock n Roll but i like it..."
  • + 4
 “Well, we could sub contract some chemical experts to improve the formula and re-brand...”

“Let’s just put ‘Enduro’ on the label and call it good.”
  • - 3
 Down Country...
  • + 1
 Once, i used olive oil for my chain The first day of riding it attracted soo much gunk but it did not dry out I mean you could clean it and the chainring would look like new The second day of riding it stayed on I just went through the chain with a towel so the oil actually stayed where it should have on the first place Works awesome
  • + 2
 Wow never knew so many mountain bikers were so against doing their little bit here and there to help out the environment a little. Like by not using motor oil to lube their chains... seems a little ironic.
  • + 2
 Can we have a dry lube review please. We’re currently having a winter heatwave due the the use of all the eco friendly products & there are no puddles anywhere!

& the comments are jokes!
  • + 1
 Lets be honest the damage humans have already caused to this planet is not going to suddenly repair itself nor are we going to stop causing further damage. If there was a radioactive chain lube on the market that made my drivetrain last forever I am for sure going to use it.
  • + 1
 Air tool oil from hardware store: $2.00 for a big container
Mineral spirits: $15 from hardware store

Dilute the air tool oil a bit with the mineral spirits. I ride 12 hours a week and have been using the same bottle of oil for maybe...3 years? Bottle's almost half full still. Applied with an old expensive-bike-lube container. Will never run out of the mineral oil, basically. Mega cheap and never have to re-buy.
  • + 1
 My indoor trainer has been getting airtool oil for 2 seasons now, as it was in the basement where the metal lathe is... chain checker still says it’s great.
  • + 1
 Water based chain lube tested in the rainforest of Appalachian mountains? Really? LoL

Appalachian mountains as in eastern North America, or somewhere else? North American rainforest is on the west coast.

Who writes this shit?
  • + 2
 Parts are considered temperate rainforest or maybe it's mentioned because we have gotten so much rain here of late.
  • + 3
 @h-beck83: I couldn't believe it, so I did some googling and I'll be damned! Some parts of the Appalachians are considered temperate.

That's actually pretty cool. So many different climate zones on this continent!
  • + 3
 i wish i could down vote a post. yes its paid advertisement but literally i could read the labels for this info.. why not say ANYTHING about them?
  • + 1
 Squirt, good. Rock n roll, good. Finish line Teflon dry, OK. Any of the above so say tested (advertised) lubes, not great.
But, there can only be one truly good winter lube that works esp in the uk. And it was developed for chains operating under sea water at silly low temps. Put this stuff on your chain, no rust, no grit or dirt sticking to your chain or cassette. Only thing that will remove it is a detergent or de greaser. That lube is.......purple extreme. My go to winter lube. Nothing else comes anywhere near it IMO.
  • + 1
 Most lubes attract dirt and death to your sprocket, chain and crank. Been using 3in1 100% drylube. Not enviro friendly but keeps Eagle GX quite and dirt free. Nothing to flake off cheap 2. Seriously thinking of trying Polyond Plating the chain, sprocket & crank chain ring. Big $$$ but never have to lube again. Poly-Plating Chicopee, MA. No affiliation just did some injection mold designs at one point.
  • + 1
 All great products, but most riders are lazy and don't clean the .125 of grease and dirt build up off of their drive train and just continue to add more lubricants to it in hopes it will work.
  • + 5
 I have the muc-off one and that is the issue. It is so thick and sticky is collects loam and turns my driveline into a mudball. It would work great if I soaked my driveline in solvent after every 2 rides to get all the residue off and reapply the oil, but that's not practical. I've resorted to using a lighter, non-winter-specific oil, can't remember what it is, the label fell off a year ago. Whatever, it's oil. I need to oil the chain more often but oiling it is easy, cleaning it sucks ass. I prefer to apply more regularly and not have to deal with the build up.
  • + 0
 The worst thing for your drive train is lube. ESPECIALLY wet lube. Its all shit and causes crap to stick to your expensive metalware. Squirt wax lube. My chains and cassettes last over twice as long. I dont get crap every where, stuff stays shiney, and best of all....it does not wash off and cause eco issues.
  • + 0
 DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS Y'ALL!!! Most brands are pushing toward eco-friendly products thought, that's just the facts. @WPL-oils just takes it a step further in the right direction. If you care about your bike, and the environment in which we live in then you'll consider them as an option on this fact alone. but they aren't banking on it...what they are banking on is the quality of the lube! the only product I haven't tried from them which i am anxious to try in their suspension fluids. I love the fork boost, its so good! I put it on the fork seals the night before and let it set, and wipe off all access before I ride. The dry lube is phenomenal, simply put, I ride on super sandy trails and i'll tell you what, it doesn't like sand, so much so that its like a virtual barrier to it. as for creek crossings and grit, its comes off after a couple of pedal strokes no worries. The BIO-SOLVENT, is like a hot knife in cold butter, its actually better than the MUC-OFF stuff and doesn't have any unnecessary color added to it for looks! ( which I've noticed actually can stain things that are white... And lastly, the bio wash its just OK, not any better or worse performance wise compared to anything else out there that i have tried over the years. So its BIO-BASED, which considering that bike wash is one of the most commonly used bike care products in the shop so its a huge plus so... I say give it an honest go before you knock em' we should be looking out for the delicate balance that is environment health. If we all do a little bit then it adds up to a little bit more than nothing. which in reality is something. Ok I have to go back to work bikes don't fix themselves around here unfortunately... PEACE
  • + 1
 I too think the environment is important but don't worry too much about the bio-based thing. Bio-based doesn't necessarily imply it is good for the environment. Palm oil is bio-based too though the farming does cause destruction of the rainforest. Also, bio-based doesn't necessarily imply bio-degradable, which in the context you're talking about is the thing that matters. Vinegar on the other hand may be created in a lab but is still biodegradable. Haven't tried to use it to clean a bike though nor do I know whether it is a good idea (wouldn't be surprised if it accelerates corrosion) but I was merely trying to point out that there is not a 100% correlation between bio-based and biodegradable. For something that may end up in nature, biodegradable is what matters. Peace.
  • + 1
 @vinay: everything is biodegradable its how long it takes that's the hitching point. And considering they are using renewable resources such as soy and corn which are highly renewable when rotated in between harvest, I think its safe to say that its safer than palm oil. and way more renewable. Your talking about apples and the conversation is about oranges. So that being said i'm sure they aren't involved in the deforestation of the rain-forest. I do agree there are best practices in industry and they should be exercised, but no one is telling you to buy your lube from trader joe's... rather from a reliable source that has actual chemist that are people focused on making a clean and renewable product. that being said they aren't just taking a product that is a private label good and saying its their own and they have done ton's of product testing, my question would be which industry and for what uses? I'm certain that a chain doesn't reach the same temp as that of a gun barrel. ( Pro-gold of which is a private labeled good manufactured by ABC compounding in Atlanta Ga. then is relabeled and sold for both guns and bike chains, but hey if your into using what ever lubricant that's your thing. I prefer to promote and use a product that made specific to the machine, and is environmentally friendly through out the whole spectrum. Which @WPL-oils fits the bill!
  • + 1
 @Chubby-tyres: I've been using Green-Oil for well over ten years. Same story basically, but made in the UK. Bottles are 100% recycled PE too. I trust WPL is fine though I'm curious how they compare to Green-Oil.
  • + 1
 @vinay: give em a try, I found the dry lube to be the most interesting product, personally! cheers mate and enjoy!
  • + 1
 @Chubby-tyres: I don't know the ins and outs of it all, or how it applies to these products specifically, but many times I've heard that "biodegradable" is essentially a marketing term. Most such products do not biodegrade under normal conditions, though they theoretically do under closely controlled lab conditions.

It's possible that there's a legitimate argument to be made that the lube that will most extend the life of the chain is the most "environmentally friendly," even if the product itself is not, as it may have a lower environmental cost then producing a new chain. I wouldn't get too excited about the "green" claims of a lube. If they work as well as or better than anything else, then great, it probably helps. But do they? I don't know.
  • + 2
 @ecologist: Oil biodegrades pretty well in very small quantities. My ex did her thesis on the biodegradation of diesel spills. Turns out that in her case, the natural bugs in the soil did about as good a job of bioremediation as the designer bugs that we marketed for cleaning up spills. As long as there was oxygen.

Basically, it's a source of carbon (carbon=energy) for soil bacteria. Problem is that it is hard for them to break down in large quantities because it's a complex chain.

So yeah, I'm skeptical of the "biodegradable" claims in the tiny quantities we're talking about. Oil is biodegradable.

www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/documents/coe-cde/cooger-crpgee/microbes-eng.pdf
  • + 1
 @rollingdip: hey thanks for that! Very interesting!
  • + 1
 I use Muc-Off - 50*C
Works best during cold Swedish winters to reduce chain friction imo.
Anyone know if there's a better choice out there for when the cold drops below - 20*C?
  • + 1
 längdskidor / hemmamys
  • + 1
 @howsyourdad: Haha skulle vara det då!
  • + 3
 I use “I can’t believe it’s not butter”. Because it’s not butter it’s emulsified chain lube!
  • + 3
 Prices are just insane.

Chainsaw oil. £9.99 for 3000ml.
One bottle will last you a decade...
  • + 7
 Yes, these prices are insane. No, chainsaw oil is not adequate for bicycle chains, it has not the right viscosity and added elements that allows you to ride with minimal friction and wear for any kind of ride.
  • + 3
 And as a bonus, you get to leave behind shitty motor oil on the trail... yay!
  • + 4
 @EngineerOn2Wheels: strange. Been using it for a decade, i ride 3 times a week, replace a chain every 6-9 months and a casette and chain ring last me 3+ years...
  • + 1
 Chaisaw oil is higher viscosity than bike chain lube, probably has to do with how much your chain saw heats up since that chain is spinning way faster than your bike chain.

Back in my eco-hippie-trailbuilder days I used veggie oil as bar oil in my poulan saw. It didn't last long, but maybe that also has to do with the fact it was a shitty saw in the first place (albeit free).
  • + 10
 Yeah I must spend at least $8 a year on specialty chain lube. Outrageous.
  • + 5
 @EngineerOn2Wheels: I think some of us may be overthinking this. It's a bicycle chain not an F1 engine.
  • + 1
 Do not lube the chain, typically service it with shock and fork, or other maintenance that being handled pre/post mountains trip by lbs.
And that is covered by mechanic, have no clue what shop is using, however it works.
  • + 2
 Seriously being good to the planet? Two percent of the human race consumes 80 percent of the raw materials. We are the f.cking environmental problem.
Hypocrates !
  • + 0
 Best I've ever tried: Chainsaw oil, thinned with mineral spirits (or turpentine, because it's natural and smells nice) til I'm happy with viscosity. Usually 3-4 parts turp to 1 part oil. Post ride, put it on, give the thinner a sec to dissolve the muck on your chain, wipe it off. Ride 2-3 days. Repeat. Lasts over 200 miles on the road bike too.
  • + 1
 How is this a round-up? There is no info that isn't on the label... Even if this is an advertisement, at least let the product managers or riders explain why their lube is the bestest.
  • + 1
 I want to give WPL lube a try after finding that it exists, but how is rock n' roll not on here? Doesn't pinkbike know that a. it is the king of lubes, and b. it is faster
  • + 2
 Why din't you test Finish line wet lube, the green bottle??! I 've used that for 20 years and swear by it.
  • + 3
 Ahh I see that this is just a sneaky way of advertising. It should state that in the header in stead of "Roundup"!!

So for those interested in an actual review Finish Line wet lube is a great product that I've used riding in all kind of sloppy Swedish conditions as long as I can remember, probably close to 20 years.
  • + 2
 Human shit. Best chain lube ever!

Preferably the day after a curry and a few beers.

Joker
  • + 2
 Laker beer & canned corn will give that a run for it's money!
  • + 1
 Where is the PL100? Best all around lube if you ask me.
I buy 500ml bottles and refill the smalls. Costs 20$ each.. and works amazing with no shit sticking to it
  • + 3
 I use my old fork oil when I do an oil change.
I'm recycling Smile
  • + 1
 Try to use actually once, however bottle of Shimano lube leaked - so I ditched this
  • + 2
 Second that Rock’N’Roll opinion!
  • + 3
 I use 100% snake oils!
  • + 2
 Can't go wrong with some good old Finish Line wet lube.
  • - 1
 Keyboard warrior rocket science. My spider senses tell me there is a lot of generation snowflake and generation "M", in this conversation. "Glory be that is all and mighty WD-40".
  • + 1
 Spoiler: I use what the f ever is on my bench. spoiler: they ALL suck in the wet...
  • + 1
 If you use anything other than wet lube every day then Ryan Palmer will personally kick your ass
  • + 1
 gotta go with the Muc off, simply the best. and as a bonus it also smells nice
  • + 2
 Finish Line Teflon Dry for all conditions
  • + 1
 My experience with WPL and Muc Off dry lubes has been two thumbs down. But each to their own.
  • + 2
 Squirt lube, winter and summer.
  • + 1
 New sales coordinator finding ways to pay for his job. Genuinely thank for for the asterisk.
  • + 0
 Engine Oil + White spirits.
The white spirits thins it out a little so in gets everywhere and then evaporates leaving the oil.
I use some leftover 10w60.
  • + 1
 White spirits == moonshine?
  • + 2
 @dglass: Only if you are a bum and don't mind going blind !

I think its called mineral spirits in NA.
  • + 1
 ASSEMBLE THE KEY BOARD MERCENARIES, THIS IS PINK BIKE!!!! ( Leonidas voice *300* )
  • + 3
 ASTROGLIDE
  • + 2
 Anal pedals earlier and now a lube round up. Must be a slow day... LoL
  • + 2
 This "Roundup" was just an add. No review at all. C'mon Pinkbike.
  • + 0
 It says at the beginning this is a sponsored article.
  • + 0
 The best lube on the real wet/muddy trails is Synthetic Motor oil - been using it for 25+ years and it will always out last/ride and a $10 quart lasts for 2-3 years, try it.
  • - 1
 This must be sarcastic comment... you can't actually think it's ok to be spraying freaking motor oil down the trails and forest, can you?
  • + 10
 @islandforlife: Like it, but no spraying going on, I remove all the excess and it stays clean longer, synthetic motor oil contains cleaners that are dirt phobic

I dont advertise anything just passing on what works.
  • + 2
 Agreed. But I hope you have your flame suit on.
  • - 5
flag islandforlife (Feb 26, 2019 at 9:41) (Below Threshold)
 @MLeslie7: No matter how little does fall off during a ride, it's too much when there are great envriomental choices available. Then commenting about how great it is... if we all did it, we'd be riding down oil slicked trails.
  • + 3
 @islandforlife: You ever seen Fight Club? Not saying everyone should use it all the time, but if you need something that will last all day in real mud.
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 @islandforlife: I think you're missing the difference between "spraying down" the trails, and applying oil to a chain and then wiping it off with a rag. I mean, by the same token, do you use soft compound tires? They also flake off synthetic chunks of rubber on the trail.
Some perspective might be in order here, seeing as most trails on Vancouver Island will unfortunately be logged in the near future anyway b/c of the stupid Dunsmuir grants.
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 @woofer2609: Ya for sure. But, if we all did it, we would be polluting our trails more than necessary. How do we say it's ok for just some of us to do it... will you choose who gets to? Then you're still washing this stuff off somewhere at some point. Whether it's a bike wash at the trail head... during a ride in the rain or at home and it runs off into your lawn or through the sewer system. You're still needlessly using a pollutant that you don't need to use.

Ya of course my tires wear on the trail... I guess because of that I should just start using motor oil to lube my chain? By that argument I might as well stop recycling & composting, buy a giant 6L heavy duty truck for grocery shopping and just f*ck the environment altogether.

Yep, you're right about logging on the island, but again one argument has nothing to do with the other. Plus the two trail systems I use the most are in parks.
  • + 1
 @MLeslie7: WPL wet lubes lasts many many rides over here on the pacific north wet.
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 @islandforlife: I can say that WPL is the only brand I would try on this 'review' and for 1 reason - Bio-based
My motor oil use started in college, no money so ride by the gas station and grab a used quart of motor oil out of the garbage, wait for the last couple drops on your chain - there used to always be empty quarts in the garbage.
And that was in Humboldt which might not be all the way in PNW but 30+ days of rain in a row and riding almost everyday is close enough for me!!!
  • + 0
 @islandforlife: No, but one could switch to hard compound tires, is what I'm getting at, as they shed less rubber. I personally don't, and won't, because I feel that the amount of inorganic detritus I leave on the trail is truly insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
The solution to pollution, is dilution, after all, and any trace amounts of oil will be turned into carbon dioxide and water by microbes in the soil.
I want to keep trails as pristine as possible as well, but also realize that in extreme moderation, the forest will be fine.
We've lost many good trails in Nanaimo and near Errington to logging. I think a better fight might be how to stop these trails and public access being lost to logging companies versus microscopic amounts of oil on the ground.
  • + 1
 @MLeslie7: And here I thought I was the only one who searched through the garbage at gas stations looking for *almost* empty oil jugs. Anybody else?
  • + 3
 @woofer2609: You saw the Vice episode where they were in India talking about the Ganges too, eh?
  • + 2
 We all have to stop this attitude of justifying that a little of this here and a little of that there isn't going harm. If we all do as much as possible all the time, it all adds up and makes a cumulative difference.
  • - 3
 @woofer2609: Totally agree with you... but, are you a scientist? "The solution to pollution, is dilution." Which peer reviewed journal did you pull that from". You have zero idea what you're talking about. And neither do I. We both don't. So why not err on the side of caution and keep motor oil out of our forests, it's a simple thing to do with zero downside.

I'd also love to see those areas unlogged, but I'm pretty sure I can fight for that while I keep motor oil off my chain and out of the forest. These two things are not mutually exclusive.

But, if you find that not pouring motor oil on your chain makes it impossible for you to fight logging in those areas... then fine, pour all the oil you want. I'd rather you were able to free up all your mental capacity to fight logging. I wouldn't want you to waste all your time and energy on not using motor oil for chain lube... wtf.
  • + 2
 @RollinFoSho: Yes, it's just a pervasive culture of laziness and self justification based on zero actual science.
  • + 3
 @islandforlife:
It's a quote from Dr. Sherry Walters, a toxicology expert. (Admittedly, she does deal more with bio-medicine.)
I ride with environmental engineers who do soil remediation at gas stations for work. I personally don't know anything, but they do.
Soil remediation is real. (it can actually be sped up immensely by the inclusion of bio waste in soil at these sites. You can read all about that here in a peer reviewed journal:
www.omicsonline.org/open-access/treatment-of-oil-sludge-contamination-by-composting-2155-6199-1000284.php?aid=50352)

As for the oil on the chain thing, I'm out.
I agree to disagree.
  • + 1
 @islandforlife: I don't know about oil, and you said you don't either, so I would look into what the "bio-based" ingredients actually are and how they differ in life cycle. Many bio-based compounds behave just like their oil-based counterparts. After all, oil is bio-based. For example, it's been shown that bio-based plastic is still plastic and just as damaging in natural systems. This whole discussion assumes bio-based is more eco-friendly. Maybe it is, but it may not be.

Also, to something I do know something about...logging is not inherently bad. It can be a very useful tool, especially in degraded systems, to catalyze long-term improvement in forest health, habitat, and resilience. It also provides the wood products on which nearly every single human on earth relies. It can also be very poorly executed and cause tremendous damage, which is unfortunately very common and has produced the popular misconception that "logging is bad." Sure, often times no logging might be the most ecologically sound option, but what are you going to do without wood and paper? Please do advocate for ecologically-based timber harvest, properly designed and implemented. Logging is necessary, but we can do much, much better.
  • + 2
 Damn no squirt lube review, just because like the name.
  • + 1
 IME, eco friendly products never work as well as the products they attempt to replace. Just look at my lawn!
  • + 7
 There's a reason for that... lawns aren't supposed to look like astroturf. Get over the obsession with a perfect lawn and your life will be better for it. Instead of weeding and spraying... go ride your bike.
  • - 2
 @islandforlife: spoken like a renter LOL.
  • + 10
 @dhpig: Or... an 11 year homeowner who cares more about the environment, hanging out with my family & friends and riding my bike than having the perfect lawn. Priorities dude.
  • - 1
 @islandforlife: I always get a kick out of bikers who claim to be environmentalist as they strap their XC bikes on their 6L cummins diesel pick up truck. Now if your got a Prius with a bike rack, you're walking the talk.
  • - 2
 @dhpig: Haha, I get a kick out of that as well. Prius is bullshit unless it's the plugin variety, better environmental small car options. Currently toss our enduro bikes onto the tray rack on the back of either our Honda Fit or Mazda5. New car to replace the Mazda5 this year will be the Mitsubishi Outlander Plug-in Hydrid which will allow us full electric drive for 85% of our driving.

Also, that argument is flawed... just because someone drives a gas guzzler doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't contribute in other ways. They may do enough that does much more than cancel out owning a 6L cummins diesel. Maybe they need a certain vehicle for work or other needs... are they supposed to buy another car just to get to the trails to ensure they look like they're walking the talk? People need to less concerned about how they or others look and just do the right thing themselves.
  • + 1
 @Naturel: Not true... yes that's the line parrotted by oil shills, it's not right - especially if you live where I do (BC) where 90% of our electricity is generated from hydro/solar/wind. And as North America's grid moves away from coal fired plants (as it is), it only gets better and better.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RhtiPefVzM
  • + 5
 @Naturel: "Ignorants" - oh the irony.
  • + 1
 @Naturel: Well based on my admittedly limited knowledge on the subject, lithium is produced by evaporating the brine to leave a low grade lithium behind. It's then further refined through electrolysis to remove impurities. Fairly simple stuff really... I could be missing something. Perhaps you could enlighten me with some credible sources as you seem to believe it far worse than creating gasoline and diesel fuel?

The staggering amount of energy used, carbon and water consumed, and carbon released by mining for oil and then refining it into a usable product is immense.

As for the batteries, after they've done their job in a car for about 10 to 15 years, they are re-purposed for another 10 or more years for other jobs, then much of the material is recycled and re-purposed.

www.bloomberg.com/hyperdrive

An equivalent car driven over the same time-frame (approx 10 to 15 years) will emit 26 to 39 tonnes of carbon dioxide... how well is that currently being recycled? During that time frame an electric car emits zero carbon dioxide.

At each level, currently, electric cars use less resources and consume and emit less carbon... at current technology levels. The divide will only widen as we get better at generating electricity more and more efficiently and get it from more and more green sources and as we find more and more ways of reusing and recycling batteries.
  • + 1
 @islandforlife: Try to look up whereLithiu is actually mined/produced and how much it has to travel typically on cargo ships which are not exactly environment friendly. So to make eco friendly car you cause one hell of a mess.
  • + 3
 @Mondbiker: I did, 90% of it comes out of south american salt flats, again, though a brine evaporation process, no actual mining or digging. And ya, on cargo ships, just like everything else! Ever heard of an "oil tanker"? Where do you think those are coming from... all over the world.

And actually... the shipping industry is going electric as well - www.dw.com/en/are-electric-vessels-the-wave-of-the-future-in-shipping/a-43046309

Lithium is shipped to large factories where it is assembled into batteries, which are then sent to automakers.

Oil is shipped from all over the world to various refineries around the world and then shipped BACK to many of those same places that produced the oil. Once it arrives, it's then shipped again via rail or tanker trucks to regional facilities, then it's finally shipped one more time to local gas stations. The amount of shipping taking place to get the fuel to your local gas station is orders of magnitude greater that the shipping of lithium to a large factory then to a large car maker... those shipments are much less, much larger and so much more efficient.

Then, I could describe how electricity is shipped to the battery... but I think you get how that works. So no, you make an eco-friendly car that gets it energy in a much more eco friendly way than the current infrastructure set up to deliver fuel, which is a huge environmental catastrophe.

Also, oil/gas/diesel/dilbit/bitumen gets spilled during this transit process (offshore drill rigs, tankers, pipelines, rail cars, trucks) and causes huge environmental damage. Yes, it's not a great idea to spill lithium in the ocean, but by reducing the amount the fuel (lithium) needs to be moved (to a factory, then made into a battery) you significantly reduce chances and the impact of spill issues along the chain.

Every way you add it up, it makes sense and is so much better for the environment. There really is no argument against it that holds any water.
  • + 1
 Electric cars will be switching to Super-Capacitors soon
  • + 1
 @islandforlife @Naturel Easy solution to the electric car vs. gas car arguement: bicycle. Doesn't use electricity or gas. And it gives you tree-trunk thighs, especially when you are carrying 40 lbs of crap for 20 miles that other people put in their cars. There's definitely a time and a place where cars are necessary for some people, but in my life I only need a car when I'm moving into a new home or going to the bike park. Sorry for the rant, but there's nothing from tom caldwell today and I needed something to do on pinkbike.
  • + 1
 @islandforlife: A little presumptuous. I've gone to eco friendly lawn care, thus my comment.
  • + 2
 Nice infomercial. empy of real testing.
  • + 1
 Most people just use too much and grind everything to death.
  • + 2
 Pro gold Extreme FTW.
  • + 1
 No love for Boeshield T-9? Its great for wet season.
  • + 1
 Best lube for a bike's chain I have used in the decades I have been riding. Boeshield rocks wet, dry or inbetween.
  • + 1
 I just want a lube that doesn't a black streak when I brush up against it.
  • + 0
 Good one Pinkbike,just as the weather starts getting hot they go with this.
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 What wet-lube do you use in the rainy season? ...... what’s a rainy season?
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 Squirt or bust!
  • + 1
 I go by smell... The maxima stuff smells so good!
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 *Sponsored*, that says it all.
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 Pedros ftw
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 Vote for Pedro!
  • + 1
 Muc-Off e-Bike Wet Ceramic
i don't ride e-bike! Big Grin
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 What's wet weather? -Okanagan rider.
  • + 2
 WPL-FTW
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 Wax in wet or dry
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 Overpriced snake oils!
  • + 1
 Why isn't WD-40 on here
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 Maybe because they weren’t one of the sponsors?
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 @COnovicerider: OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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 Just use old fork oil
  • + 1
 T-9 or GTFO
  • + 0
 What do you think of chainsaw oil? 5liters x 9€, 100% bio
  • + 0
 This is useless without Dumonde Tech lubes
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 2nd on Dumond Tech.
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 they didn't pay so they don't get to play.
  • + 0
 Typo first word: *whether.
It ain't even monday!
  • + 0
 I use Kettenwixe for everything !!!
kettenwixe.com
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 Wheres the SCC Tech lube??
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 10W40 engine oil
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 Was this just a ad ?
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 Dumonde Tech
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 Where is Juice Lubes ???
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 Triflow for all seasons because it's easy to clean off.
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 Triflow because it smells like stale piss??

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