Round Up: Sustainable e-MTB Batteries, Cleaning 10,000 Pieces of Trash from Trails and More Green Initiatives

Feb 1, 2021
by Ed Spratt  
Glen Feshie in the Cairngorms National Park Scotland.

2021 has already seen plenty of new green initiatives with Endura reaching their goal of one million trees planted and their new plan of becoming carbon neutral. But there are plenty of other smaller announcements that move the industry forward in reducing its impact on the environment.

Trash Free Trails Reveal They have cleaned up 2,500km of Trails:

Trash Free Trails has launched its first impact report after three years of campaigning against single-use plastic pollution.

The UK-based group, which currently aims to reduce plastic pollution on our trails and wild places by 75% by 2025, has released a report documenting their work so far and its future aims and projects. Plastic pollution is a worsening global environmental issue and Trash Free Trails (TFT) has found that most of the research into its impact has focused on marine environments. But, estimates suggest that annual plastic release on land is between 4 to 23 times worse.

Through its work since 2017, TFT has found a large gap in the current research into the impact of single-use plastic pollution outside of marine environments. It believes this has created an urgent need for more work in this area. TFT hopes to fill this void with its growing trail cleaning movement and upcoming 'State of the Trails' report.

bigquotesAt Trash Free Trails we believe that fostering a connection between grassroots environmental stewardship and academic research can play an important role in the future of environmental conservation

As part of its first impact report released this week, TFT has included some of their highlights from 2019 to 2020. This report features some impressive figures about its work cleaning up the trails. In the two years, it cleaned up 2,500km of trails with 10,000 individual items removed on trail cleans.

The next step for TFT is the State of Our Trails report, produced in partnership with Bangor University. This report will be the first peer-reviewed empirical study of its kind using citizen science to establish the amount, causes and impacts of terrestrial litter on our trails and wild places. Currently, TFT is aiming to release the baseline study findings later this year in June.

You can read the full report from TFT here.

Santini are Introducing Compostable Packaging:

Clothing brand Santini has announced that it will be swapping out its packaging for a compostable alternative.

With most of the industry still wrapping clothing in plastic, Santini has revealed that it will be moving to a more sustainable alternative by using TIPA’s compostable packaging. This news comes after Santini and the UCI announced that the future World Championship jerseys will use recycled fabrics.

bigquotesSo this means that it won’t just be the cycling wear that is environmentally friendly but its packaging too! Thanks to our agreement with TIPA, we will also using compostable packaging from January 2021. That is our commitment to becoming increasingly sustainable and lessening our environmental impact. Paola Santini, marketing manager at Santini Cycling Wear

bigquotesTIPA’s packaging is a truly sustainable alternative to traditional single-use plastic packaging materials, because it guarantees the same protection to its contents but completely biodegrades, returning to the earth as compost. TIPA’s packaging can be thrown in domestic composite bins – in the wet waste – and will then disintegrate within six months and fully biodegrade within a year. Daphna Nissenbaum, CEO and co-founder of TIPA

TIPA's alternative packaging aims to offer the same advantages of plastic, but it will instead fully decompose within three months with no harmful impact on the environment.

The EU Commission Wants to Make Batteries More Sustainable:

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As part of its Green New Deal, the EU Commission wants to set out guidelines to ensure all batteries are more sustainable throughout their life cycle.

The new ideas will be introduced as key goals of the Green New Deal and cover all types of batteries leading to some potentially interesting ramifications for the future of eMTBs.

According to the Commission, demand for batteries is set to increase 14 fold by 2030, with most of the demand driven by the electric transport market including e-MTBs. The rapidly increasing demand will lead to issues around the raw materials needed for production and a potentially huge impact on the environment.

The ideas set forth by the Commission include:

- Batteries placed on the EU market should become sustainable, high-performing and safe all along their entire life cycle
- From 1 July 2024, only rechargeable industrial and electric vehicles batteries for which a carbon footprint declaration has been established, can be placed on the market
- To close the loop and maintain valuable materials used in batteries for as long as possible in the European economy, the Commission proposes to establish new requirements and targets on the content of recycled materials and collection, treatment and recycling of batteries at the end-of-life part
- To significantly improve the collection and recycling of portable batteries, the current figure of 45% collection rate should rise to 65 % in 2025 and 70% in 2030 so that the materials of batteries we use at home are not lost for the economy. Other batteries – industrial, automotive or electric vehicle ones – have to be collected in full
- The proposed regulation defines a framework that will facilitate the repurposing of batteries from electric vehicles so that they can have a second life
- The use of new IT technologies, notably the Battery Passport and interlinked data space will be key for safe data sharing, increasing transparency of the battery market and the traceability of large batteries throughout their life cycle

bigquotesClean energy is the key to European Green Deal, but our increasing reliance on batteries in, for example, transport should not harm the environment. The new batteries regulation will help reduce the environmental and social impact of all batteries throughout their life cycle. Today's proposal allows the EU to scale up the use and production of batteries in a safe, circular and healthy way. Frans Timmermans, Executive Vice-President for the European Green Deal

bigquotesThe Commission puts forward a new future-proof regulatory framework on batteries to ensure that only the greenest, best performing and safest batteries make it onto the EU market. This ambitious framework on transparent and ethical sourcing of raw materials, carbon-footprint of batteries, and recycling is an essential element to achieve open strategic autonomy in this critical sector and accelerate our work under the European Battery Alliance. Maroš Šefčovič, Vice-President for Interinstitutional Relations

Royal Racing Launches New Jerseys Made Using Recycled Materials:

Royal Racing has launched two new riding jerseys that are made from 100% recycled materials.

The jerseys from part of Royal Racing's new Quantum range and instead of using a polyester/cotton mix, like the company's other jerseys, will instead feature 100% recycled polyester. The Quantum jerseys will still feature the anti-bacterial treatment that Royal uses across its range which it claims will allow you to "wear your jerseys for longer in between washes, improving the lifespan of your jersey and lightening the environmental impact."

bigquotesThe Quantum Jersey is made using 100% recycled fabric. We’ve discovered a fabric that not only stands up to the rigours of life on a bike, but it’s a fabric that’s 100% recycled. So we’re really pleased to finally release this 100% recycled technical mountain bike jersey. Royal Racing

You can see the whole Quantum range here.

Decathlon are Looking into Circular Economy Strategies for its Bike Sales:

Decathlon has revealed plans to launch a circular sales scheme for its bike sales later this year.

The strategy, which takes ideas from the Circular Economy concept, will see Decathlon sell recycled or used bikes and components alongside the current range of new bikes. With the current shortage of bikes and components, this could be a useful way to keep selling bikes and parts to customers without solely relying on new parts arriving in stores.

UK Cycling Leader Peter Lazarus told Cycling Industry UK the details about some of the schemes that could be taking place in Decathlon shops later this year. Lazarus said: "The Decathlon Second Life Marketplace is due this year across Europe and it will apply to adult and kids’ bikes. The idea is to generate more of a circular economy and various options will be available to customers who may wish to cycle but also not buy new every time.

"We as a company are looking to recycle parts where possible. If we get a defective bike it’s an option to strip it down and re-use the working parts. For the customer, it’s an option to participate in upcycling work and save money. There will be a much bigger effort to repair over replacement where possible.

"Sometimes wheels, for example, may be buckled in transit. These will be switched out, perhaps even with better wheels and the old ones will be repaired. The key is that nothing will go to waste and the bikes sold will be given a full PDI and safety check before they’re displayed and they’ll carry a warranty."

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  • 118 16
 Ride a bike without a battery. It's like a motorcycle, but you can pedal it.
  • 21 75
flag DoubleCrownAddict (Feb 1, 2021 at 7:48) (Below Threshold)
 I've become addicted to climbing fast on my e bikes and could never go back.
  • 44 2
 @DoubleCrownAddict: what are you *not* addicted to?
  • 25 0
 @mi-bike: @DoubleCrownAddict doesn't appear to be addicted to Single Crowns
  • 2 22
flag pinkbike1000 (Feb 1, 2021 at 20:55) (Below Threshold)
 Everyone that hates E bikes has firstly never ridden one and secondly is jealous beause they are getting beaten up the climbs and they think it's "cheating"
  • 2 0
 After reading that anti YT every thing is nazi forum post, It makes sense @DoubleCrownAddict: is a mobilitE biker
  • 1 0
 @GeorgeHayduke: thanks for the link. very interesting.
  • 1 0
 Oups, meant to like @GeorgeHayduke:
  • 96 4
 Call me crazy but I think the cost of responsible battery disposal should be lumped into the product cost for ebikes.
  • 55 0
 Switzerland has pre-paid recycling fees for all elecontric appliances sold since 1998. Crazy
  • 7 0
 I agree. That being said the cost should be manageable and understandable to begin with. Both for the dealer and the consumer.
  • 32 17
 Let's start with a carbon tax on gasoline and more taxes for newly purchased fossil fuel driven cars first. Would raise about 1,000,000 x more money and would actually make a difference. I think in the states only Cali has that and Trump tried to kill it.
  • 15 1
 Moving more of the hidden costs that fall on third parties or the public broadly, and making them both visible and a part of the initial transaction (i.e. internalizing externalities) seems like a good way for people to treat each other
  • 18 16
 @DoubleCrownAddict: and finish with a carbon tax on children instead of a tax credit. Too many puppies...
  • 4 1
 @DoubleCrownAddict: Or do both. Both are an issue, why kick the battery problem down the road? If it's not tackled from the start there will be much more resistance later.
  • 5 0
 @Snfoilhat "externalties should be internalized" should be right up there in the Econ truism along with "people respond to incentive" and "price is the intersection of supply and demand". Its that fundamental but it is mostly ignored because too many have swallowed the line that "interference with free markets* cause dead weight loss" without realizing that the footnote says "free markets without externalities which are rarer than you realize". The very thing that made Smith famous, his observation that the grazing commons suffers from externalities that are not internalized and that actions that internalize those externalities i.e. privatizing plots of the commons lead to more efficient outcomes, is totally forgotten if the action can't be privatize it. Honestly, its more likely that we will build domes over our cities to privatize the atmosphere before we can succeed in finding communal interventions to tackle the externality that is pollution and the climate change that results from it. Stupid monkeys.
  • 1 0
 @Tiez: that’s f*cking cool.
  • 1 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: doesn't your government tax gasoline to death like mine (price of gasoline comprises 70% tax)?
  • 2 1
 @Bob-Agg: Because people should be encouraged to buy e bikes right now and keep them affordable, imo. Fossil fuel cars have had a free ride for about a hundred years while they've compromised our planet, give e bikes a free ride for at least a few more years.

@Mac1987: No, federal tax is less than 10%. State tax varies by state but Cali is highest.
  • 57 6
 The most substainable battery is the one you don't buy even better does not get manufactuered in the first place
  • 8 9
 True, but whatever device you posted this from is already contradicting your standpoint. Granted, the scale may be smaller; Even if you're on an old PC, you still required some sort of battery (not to mention lots of other precious metals).

I like what you're saying, though. We're just doing what we can with what we've got. It could be better. We're just not there yet.
  • 6 2
 Magnesium solid-state batteries are starting to gain traction. Higher energy density, faster charging, virtually no deteroriation, abuntant and far more environmentally friendly mining. Watch this space.
  • 12 11
 As long as that engine only eats plants. Meat is worse for the environment than all all you planes, cars and ebikes.
  • 8 6
 @lev3000: well spoken. Animal agriculture causes the most damage by far, "but mate, bacon is just too good." #plantpower
  • 5 0
 @nhlevi: Magnesium batteries are 10 year+ away from commercialization. still in the fundamental research area. Solid state batteries are just starting to show some promise, but again don't expect them in any of your electronics for a while. Scale up takes time.
  • 2 1
 @Pumpkineater: There's more to it.
Look at this

Then look at this.

Methane 28 times more harmful than CO2, so it's worse. Carbon can be offset to a point too.
  • 1 0
 @lev3000: Where's your B12 come from?
  • 1 0
 @timbud: Why?
  • 5 0
 @lev3000: Much shorter lived, though. Animal agriculture is not a larger contributor of greenhouse gasses than all of transportation, nowhere close. And remember, agriculture needs fertilizer. Much of it comes from animal agriculture, most of which grazes on land that is not suitable for other consumable crops. So if you get rid of that input, the only other source for the inputs is fossil fuels. Yep, fertilizer from fossil fuels. And knowing is half the battle...
  • 1 0
 @lev3000: B12 is not in any plant and it’s massively important for your immune system and metabolism
  • 1 0
 @timbud: I know
  • 1 0
 @timbud: That's only half the truth though. B12 is also in egs, milk and cheese. So not only in meat Wink
  • 2 2
 @timbud: B12 can be produced by various microorganisms (don't ask for their names though) and thus can be entirely vegan.
  • 2 0
 @nhlevi: And most animals are on B12 supplements as it doesn't occur naturally in intensive farming.
  • 1 0
 @thelibatteryguy: scale up takes a little bit of time. The real reason is lithium infrastructure and associated companies want to max their returns off of lithium products so they squash any new innovations to protect their investments and rake in that cheeze.
  • 2 0
 @ottifant: I didn't say it was only in meat did I though! Wink Wink
Only that it is not in any plant... so if you want to boast about a plant only diet you have to supplement it from other sources.
@nhlevi: I also didn't mention anything about vegan.
@lev3000: Not entirely true, but my wife and I only eat local meats or "organic" with a good origin. So thats not an issue for us.
On the whole we just follow a nice balanced diet... with a good amount of alcohol Big Grin
Even then we'll still supplement a lot, because you can't really trust any food nowadays
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 @lev3000: you see, ultimately the problem boils down to intensive farming and the disgusting amount of meat humanity (as in: the global north) consumes.
@timbud understood, I was just making a statement (since you can't see my being a living statement to the fact) that from a nutrition standpoint, we don't actually need any animal products whatsoever.
Why mention this? Because the main issue with animal agriculture are not only the direct emmissions but the land usage. Only a fraction of all that grazing and fodder producing land would be required to produce the same nutritional value in plant foods. Less agro land -> mo' forests -> less climate change.
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 @nhlevi: You didn’t know that the majority of grazing is done on land that can’t grow other consumable crops?
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 @nhlevi: If you repurpose parts of the population as fertilizer and abolish industrialized farming, we could solve most of the environmental issues we face today.

This is a joke btw, but there's unfortunately some truth to it, overpopulation is by far the greatest threat to both the environment and society today.
With the whole world moving deeper into consumer capitalism, the pollution and waste is only increasing, per capita too, when you look at it globally.
I honestly think we are f*cked, and that the only solution is either a near extinction event or a 1984/Brave new world dystopia under a one world government.
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 @Losvar: Yes, you got the root cause right. We could eat all the steaks we wanted and drive rams all day without any concern for the environment, if only there were sufficiently low numbers of humans on Earth to do so.
We know that won't happen anytime soon. Regulating the population is way too slow a solution, and giving up your responsibility certainly won't help further the cause an inch, so the next best thing we can do is 1.) make better lifestyle choices 2.) be loud, obnoxious, enthusiastic about them so we can influence enough people to follow suit (pick your wheel size, be a dick about it method).

@Chuckolicious that's so, and there are two points I was trying to make.
First, we do not need all that land, since a ton of *grain* feeds hundreds of people, whereas it only raises a handful of cows and those few cows only feed even fewer people over the same time period.
Second, we need to reforest the millions upon millions of square miles of thus freed up land that were initially claimed from nature by a deadly combo of logging and then extensive farming. That's by far the best shot we have at surviving climate change.
  • 1 0
 @nhlevi: What I mean is that most cattle are raised on land that is not suitable for grain farming nor forest. Yes, there are examples where that is not the case, but generally that is the case. Basically all beef is "grass fed", it's just a matter of whether or not they were finished on grain. As with most things complicated, it's complicated. So I get a bit annoyed when people just make the blanket statement that meat or animal AG is bad and we can subsist on plants alone. It's just not scientifically possible unless we pump massive amounts of fossil fuel inputs, in the form of fertilizers. But, for the record, I'm a huge fan of up and coming lab grown meat. I'll be first in line for a lab grown Rib Eye and pork chop. Mostly from a animal welfare POV. I honestly have to knowingly engage in cognitive dissonance when it comes to the relatively rare times I eat meat. Cows and pigs are cute and can be as fun an personable as any dog or cat.
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 @Chuckolicious: Alright, I'm not gonna debate the percentage of now-farmlands able to sustain human crops or natural forests, but you made me realise that I've omitted another point that not all natural and effective carbon sinks are forests, obvious as that is. Some are grasslands, some are marshes, some savannas and some rainforests. (Just a fun fact: close to 40% of deforestation in the past 20 years in the amazon is attributed to cattle farming. I can't recall data on the rest, but I suspect it's mainly palm oil and timber.) Bottom line is, wherever nature is in charge, plants will grow, and that land becomes a massive and far more effective carbon sink than any technological carbon sequestrating process.
And I wholeheartedly agree with your ethical case, and there's also a health case against meat, but I've found those to be much harder cold sales than the ecological case. I'll finish off with a cool thing for you that might become a big thing in the future:
  • 2 0
 @nhlevi: Woah, that’s cool! Yea, I like Impossible burgers as well as the cheaper Gardein Ultimate Burger. So I’ll totally give one of these a try when I can. Thanks!
  • 28 1
 Great article. Another one you could add is Tannus has been offering free Tube Recycling for US shops. They’ll ship you a box, you fill it up with tubes, and they pay to have it sent back or a sales rep comes and picks it up. Awesome set up.
  • 26 7
 They should build a ebike that doesn't need a battery or motor that would be super green
  • 11 2
 Still greener than a car! #commuting
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flag freebikeur (Feb 1, 2021 at 7:31) (Below Threshold)
 Still greener than a human-propeled bike too (according to a few researches) if you factor in the extra carbon footprint of the calories you burn by not having a motor.
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flag nhlevi (Feb 1, 2021 at 7:37) (Below Threshold)
 @madcow-krakow: yeah some people just don't get it. Ebikes are still far better than cars, even electric cars but especially petrol ones.
  • 7 1
 @nhlevi: except we're not really talking about commuting are we?
  • 2 0
 @nukedchipp: Granted, but we're also talking about the fact that the masses SHOULD ditch their cars for any more viable means of transportation. Wether it be bikes and ebikes, public transport or even carpooling, ebikes fit into a green future better than petrol cars.
I'm not here to say that electric mtb's are better than non-motorized ones, that's obviously undisputable.
  • 20 2
 The EU battery guidelines are potentially a genuinely big deal. Not just for ebikes but generally.
  • 29 5
 someone needs to explain to me how the beige 1996 toyota carolla, thats still on our roads today is not the most green vehicle ever made. problem with electronics is its become a luxury item (gota have the latest and greatest) and so highly integrated we replace instead of repair. I'm certain the bike industry will go this direction as well.
  • 12 3
 @BoneDog: easy: emissions from manufacturing/disposal are a fraction of tailpipe and fuel cycle emissions ( And fuel cycle emissions of EVs can (and will be) lower due to renewable energy sources getting cheaper every day.
  • 6 0
 @BoneDog: but I'm 100% with you on the "gotta have the latest and greatest" as well as "repairing instead of replacing" front!
  • 4 1
 It's possible, but I can't help but think it's a shell game, when you have modern vehicles that really start imploding with sensor issues and other BS at around the 100k mile mark, triggering you to go to the dealer and get it fixed, or get a new vehicle.. all by design of course. Another example is the Apple iPhone, uploading software bugs around the 1-year mark, the same timeline as when their new phone comes out. If they were not in the pockets of large companies they would make legislation around this, and go back to the old days, when stuff was made to last 20 to 30 years. I guess this battery rule is a start, however, I would be wary it has some unseen evil motive behind it.
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 @mark4444: Mind you, apple is still doing a far better job at that than most android companies. I've had no less than 8 android phones of my own or in my close environment shit themselves with the first software update after their 2 year warranty expired. My 5 year old iphone is still going as strong as day 1, minus some battery capacity. Same goes for my/fam's windows laptops vs my base spec 2016 macbook air. I'm not here to bang on my chest, it seems to be a general phenomenon as far as I can see.
  • 6 1
 @BoneDog: #1: the engine in your beige corrola is probably 25% efficient at best - the other 75% of the fuel you buy is lost as heat.

So your corrola is basically a beige heater. On wheels.
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 The EU battery directive has been floating around for years now. We have had call2recycle schemes etc for batteries. Companies already pay for battery disposal on import by the tonne. That is what pays for the bins in Tesco etc.
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 @MildMildWest: and your Tesla is basically a pile of dead cell phones on wheels waiting to occupy a landfill, running on an electrical grid, which will then eventually need to be 100% re-developed to support the increased consumption in electricity, thus requiring we mine even more precious metals and cut down more forest, build more dams and f*ck up ecological systems... Their is no good solution or argument, we are focused on cars here but the idea is that we are a consumable and disposable society and we are totally f*cked. Note how the consumer industry has had us focus on new cars, when your still buying shit to your door from amazon on a weekly basis? we are sheep, we are f*cked.
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 @BoneDog: Actually one of the co founders of Tesla thought this same thing and quit and is working on the battery recycling program with Redwood Materials.

...Minus the part about we're f*cked, he thought "what can I do about?"
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 @BoneDog: Geez, looks like somebody watched Planet of the humans and just joined the cult without questioning anything...

Do you know how much does a Tesla battery pack degrade over 100k miles? Do you think it's (financially) reasonable to just throw it in a landfill when the energy density gets too low for a car? #capitalism

Ideas like smart grids and virtual power plants will solve a lot of issues and no sane person would build a massive dam when it's just way cheaper to put a few wind turbines out in the sea somewhere. And the grids won't need to be "100% re-developed" to support it. Sure, it's not a silver bullet - there is no such thing for any big problem, but it's going in a good direction.

Then stop buying from Amazon! But be aware that you also waste energy when you go to a shop to pick the item that you want... And stop being a sheep if you don't like it, but please do some research before trying to become a shepherd Smile
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 @madcow-krakow: This is true, but what he's saying is also true. Driving an existing car until it's undriveable is greener than producing anything new. That said, if someone is dead set on replacing it then there is absolutely a net carbon savings to these technologies. No matter how many times people claim otherwise.
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 @salmonfilet: depends on what cars are we talking about - if it's about switching from a petrol VW Up to an electric one then the savings on fuel cycle & tailpipe emissions won't offset the cost of manufacturing the new car. But if we're talking about a nice, large SUV then studies say it's better to switch This is a good, informative video:
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 @BoneDog: Yep batteries take a lot of energy and materials to make, there's loads of issues with recycling, but an electric motor is 90-95% efficient. And you can't run a beige corrola off a wind turbine.

Other colours....I'm not so sure.

I am not at all saying cars are good overall. But you just asked if anything is better than an old car. Just pointing out that we've been developing ICE cars for 100 years, and they are still pretty shit at using fossil fuels efficiently.
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 @madcow-krakow: Yeah I'll buy that and I hope new car purchasing does trend this way. This presumes, though, that the person buying the car isn't always trading up to new cars before the 5-6 year emission offset period is up. I'm not sure we can assume the type of person who buys new cars waits that long. Either way, there's a place for limiting consumption of new goods; whatever they may be.
  • 1 0
 @nhlevi: s6 from about 5 years ago still going strong here. I factory reset it and that fixed my battery issues.
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 @BoneDog: Don't think just consume, cattle.
  • 18 7
 I'd rather miss this entire article with the E-Bike filter (that works really, really well I must say). Then I wouldn't be inclined to say dumb stuff like 'Keep riding EBikes you lazy fvcks whiile supporting China's rape of the planet in a quest to monopolize all the rare earths (not only lithium) and contributing to the next earth crisis (battery waste).' DV incoming
  • 4 3
 A little self reflection often reveals the hypocrite within, look deeper, I can tell you it's there...
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 @hardcore-hardtail: Life itself, it's selfish, so yes of course.
  • 17 4
 Less carbon, less electronics, more pure bike riding. Steal is real!
  • 5 2
 But steel is iron and carbon, duh
  • 4 1
 Materials in all their forms require production. Some easier on our globe, some less so.
  • 10 2
 I love my ebike and I've been using it not only for exercise but as a subsitute for my car for local journeys however I still feel that the only true sustainable thing is not to have batteries.
  • 6 0
 Most "compostable plastic" can't go in the organic waste bin in Vancouver because it doesn't biodegrade at the same rate as food stuff. Yes it's compostable on a longer time scale so you can do it in your backyard composter. FYI.
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 good to know
  • 7 1
 Isn't the WHOLE PROBLEM about electric batteries is THEY don't have a battery that is sustainable and how do you get rid of them environmentally? Shrink your community and stick to human power.Smile
  • 3 0
 We're doing all we can to cut down on single use plastic and using less fuel for delivery by delivering our cleaner in water soluble capsules as opposed to shipping premixed cleaner around the globe.
"70% of the world is covered in water, why ship it?"
  • 7 1
 Hot take: I think people care more about poo-poo'ing on anything eBike than they actually care about the environment.
  • 7 5
 This is what we need. Companies putting their money where there mouth is and actually making changes to their products, operations, and community engagements. We need less Greta Thunbergs and SRAMs out there who just point at problems, demand solutions, all the while remaining inactive aside from the clatter of their "woke" statements.
Top marks for all brands involved.
  • 2 0
 i was watching a video sponsored by tesla on how to put a ev car fire out ! Its was very interesting to say the least . i dug a little further and have been looking at Battery re cycle numbers ertc and stumbled upon info onSolid State Batterys . They should become viable in the next 5 years or so..They areMuch safer for cars as they run at much lower temps and are easy to recycle and less harsh chemicals used in production . They are currently unreliable and super expensive, However the price of Li-on batterys have dropped 80 percent in 10 years. Toyota are pushing solid state batteries hard .they will become morw relibale and cheaper ,just a matter or time
  • 3 0
 I agree with most of what you say here, expect Solid state batteries actually have to run at higher temperatures than your average Li ion battery, because the solid electrolyte needs the extra heat to move the Li ions. I am hopeful the will start showing up in productions in 5 years, but that scale up takes time.
  • 1 0
 @thelibatteryguy: Yes, but imagine what will happen when a whale like yota or tesla starts using them. Sure, more expensive, but some model S plaid+ or roadster buyers won't care about price (it always starts like this!) but will care about the massive ranges and faster charging.
  • 8 6
 tell me more about e-bikes and how they are better than cars...
You're exchanging one problem for another one...oh by the is a Lithium mine...doesn't seem like much of an environmental issue...
  • 5 0
 Have you every seen a copper mine? Coal mine? Tar sands mine? Iron ore mine? Mines are quite destructive, glad you shared the image.
  • 3 0
 @sunringlerider: yep
Just be tired of simplistic suggestions
There is no simple solution
  • 2 0
 Following your logic, aren't ebikes still better based on how much metal they require, since bauxite and iron ore also comes from similar holes in the earth? Not to mention their lifetime emmissions? Sure, batteries suck at their end of life, but choosing to bash them just because their recycling is tedious and infrastructure is underdeveloped seems a lot like you're choosing the simplest solution: ignorance.
Edit: an average ebike battery is 630Wh, and a quick google search tells me that an average car battery is something similar or even larger, 720Wh. Think about that.
  • 1 0
 @nhlevi: true, but car batteries are liquid based so it' s an apples to oranges comparison. I just tire of these so called "green options" that are only a different kind of pollution, that's somehow easier to pass as "better".
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 @preach: yeah I totally get it, there's a lot of green labelling going on, but since we have no other *convenient* option we might as well invest into the lesser evil so one day it might become sustainable. Fossil fuels can't be(come) sustainable no matter how we look at it.
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 I understand the banter about just not buying an ebike in the first place, but I think as mountain biking grows it's nice we've been able to adapt the sport to allow folks who may have injuries or disabilities to ride. I'm stoked to see that many companies and governments are now taking on another piece of responsibility in reducing the footprint of this adaptation. It's nutty to see how far cycling has come to become more inclusive and now more environmentally friendly. (Not be to overly granola, just stoked to see this community doing great things.)
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 The majority of people I see locally on ebikes are not disabled or injured but suffering from doucheitis
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 Its in interesting topic, and my stock response to the "but lithium mines" guys tends to be: Hydrocarbon fuel is burnt once, and its gone.
Once its at the end of its life the lithium in a battery is still there, and can be extracted, reprocessed and reused.

*Now the real question is: is it being recycled, its no use if it ends up in landfill, of course, but the base point still stands.

I would be interested to know how much "energy" passes through a kg of Lithium in battery format (Amp hours per cycle, x number of cycles in its life) vs the energy contained in a litre of fuel.
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 I have an absolutely REVOLUTIONARY idea, an e-MTB without a motor and battery. Join the green revolution and buy an unmotorized-e-MTB... Oh wait that's just a bike. E-MTB's are for douchebags and pussies (unless you're disabled then they're fine) Viva la Human!
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 Genuine question, what's more energy efficient, a human or an electric motor?
Does your exerted power pollute less than the electric motor and battery including manufacture?
How much CO2 does a human produce per kWh?
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 @Losvar: 100% the electric motor is worse because it's not just about CO2. Those batteries and motors require prescious metals for mining and there's all sorts of other consequences environmental from metal mining besides just atmospheric CO2 emissions.
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 Sustainable and rechargeable batteries is a Lie. Whatever let's you sleep at night though.
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 Well done anyone who picks litter of trails
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 How does the compostable packaging not start breaking down before it's supposed to? Does it mean things packaged in it will have a shelf life? With perishable food, this doesn't matter, but for clothing?
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 Pretty sure it's only when it becomes wet. Let's hope ceramicspeed doesn't use it for their $300 chain lube packaging. You'd just have a wet mess in the floor in a few days. I'm sure there were already a few dentists that has a wet mess when that stuff was announced anyway
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 My guess would be that time is not the only variable here, I doubt any packaging would start composting on a desert (i.e. the environment also plays a role) Wink
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 It doesn't just break down by itself. Plastic doesn't biodegrade because it's not edible for any organisms in the soil or water. It breaks down physically over hundreds of years but the micro-particles are still plastic. Compostable packaging is supposed to break down via biological processes, hence the name 'biodegradable'. I guess the reason it takes so long for TIPA packaging to break down even in the compost/soil is, simply speaking, because it's only "edible" for certain types of organisms, whose spores are not normally found in the air/artificial environments (unlike food molds for example)
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 Home compostable stuff needs your compost heap to be at over 40°C, before it will break down.

Industrially compostable stuff needs to be composted at over 60°C before it breaks down.

So neither will biodegrade at all if just left on the trails - that's why they don't start breaking down too early.
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 So Royal Racing is doing what IXS has been with doing with their appareal for years already. Congratulations.
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 "Green new deal" or more accurately, initializing a way to put more tax batteries.
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 Cant beat a bit of battery bullshit, looks like its not just Elcon Musk that likes to make up fantasy battery tech lol.
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 @b45her I know, right? That fantasy Model S my brother has, those four Model 3s my friends have, that X my mother-in-law has. Total vapor, they're just sitting butt naked in the street making vroom vroom noises. And my TSLA vapor.
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 @Chuckolicious: your missing the point, the cars are real but te "cutting edge" battery tech is 25 years old and unlikely to change unless the laws of physics do.
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 @b45her: Huh, what? You just called Musk a liar, and I called you out as a kook. Now you try to pivot to battery tech? Ok, so it’s established you’re a kook. Now we can move to battery tech. You go take a look at what the typical EV energy density was back in 1996, then what it is today. Then also lookup what the average cost per kWh was in 1996, then what it is today. And finally, lookup the cycle life for the same periods.
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 @Chuckolicious: energy density of li-ion batteries has not changed, they are the same now as they always have been. all Elcon musk does is make a battery with a 16% bigger volume then boast it has 16% more energy in it. i suppose you've pre-booked your flight on his electric V-tol airliner too. and your trip to mars on his space rocket. The guy doesn't have a grasp of basic physics or thermodynamics he's a snakeoil salesman.
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 @b45her: Nope, that’s an outright lie. And the rest of your comment outs you as even more of a kook than I first thought. Jesus, it must be exhausting being you. :-/
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 @Chuckolicious: rather than calling names, why not show me evidence of these wonder batteries. As for the rest of my comment Elcon has stated many times he intends to build an electric V-tol airliner. and apparently intends to fly the rocket that struggles to get of the ground to mars.
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 @b45her: Nope. When someone makes such an absurd statement like you’ve done, you’ve opted out of reasonable discourse. Now, like a flat-earther, all you are owed is a virtual slap upside the head for being a willful idiot and liar. Just so everybody is clear, you have declared that Lithium Ion batteries have not improved over the past 25 years, and Elon Musk is lying about any claimed improvements. Like I said…exhausting being you.
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 @Chuckolicious: so is that a no? thought as much, just another musk cultist.
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 So Moped guys dumping Energydrink cans everywhere are the problem and the solution
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 Is pink bike about mountain biking or bike commuting
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