Russia Receives 4 Year Ban, Excluded from 2020 Olympics Amid Doping Scandal

Dec 9, 2019
by Daniel Sapp  

The World Anti-Doping Agency's (WADA) Executive Committee unanimously endorsed the recommendation made by the independent Compliance Review Committee that the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) be declared non-compliant with the World Anti-Doping Code for a period of four years.

Sir Craig Reedie, president of the WADA stated, "The ExCo’s strong decision today shows WADA’s determination to act resolutely in the face of the Russian doping crisis, thanks to the Agency’s robust investigatory capability, the vision of the CRC, and WADA’s recently acquired ability to recommend meaningful sanctions via the Compliance Standard which entered into effect in April 2018. Combined, these strengths have enabled the ExCo to make the right decisions at the right time.

"For too long, Russian doping has detracted from clean sport. The blatant breach by the Russian authorities of RUSADA’s reinstatement conditions, approved by the ExCo in September 2018, demanded a robust response. That is exactly what has been delivered today. Russia was afforded every opportunity to get its house in order and re-join the global anti-doping community for the good of its athletes and of the integrity of sport, but it chose instead to continue in its stance of deception and denial. As a result, the WADA ExCo has responded in the strongest possible terms, while protecting the rights of Russian athletes that can prove that they were not involved and did not benefit from these fraudulent acts."

The decision handed down will not allow Russia as a country to compete in major sporting events such as World Cups, World Championships, or the Olympics. The decision comes after Russia's anti-doping agency (RUSADA) was declared non-compliant over manipulating lab test results in January 2019.

bigquotesFor too long, Russian doping has detracted from clean sport.Sir Craig Reedie - WADA President

The statement goes on to list a series of consequences. It can be read, in full, on the WADA's website.

How this impacts Russian cycling athletes is not yet clear, but according to the statement, athletes in cycling events, which include cross-country, BMX, road, and track, can compete as individuals not under a national banner proven they can show they were not involved in doping issues in any way.

Russia has fielded strong MTB athletes in the past and there are a number of elite and junior racers who could race in Tokyo. Irina Kalentieva won the 2007 and 2009 World Championships and took a bronze medal in Beijing, however, she announced her retirement at the end of this past season so she is unlikely to be at the start line. Anton Sintsov, another Russian athlete, is currently ranked 22nd in UCI men's elite rankings.

Russian Anton Sintsov surprised friend and foe today. A charging Kulhavy set him back to third but what a race.
Russian Anton Sintsov racing to a third-place finish at the 2017 Lenzerheide World Cup. There is no suggestion Sinstov has used performance enhancing drugs.

We reached out to Anton to see how this announcement could impact him. He had this to say:
bigquotesIt's a stupid decision because athletes suffer that have nothing to do with that story and who dream of taking part in Olympic Games, and wake up motivated every day to do hard workouts because they have a goal, a motivation. And now? Because of others they lose motivation, and maybe some lose the love for sports. It's not right.

I working hard every day and I believe I will compete in Tokyo but as you can see, not everything depends on me.
Anton Sintsov

Jonathan Taylor, Chair of the WADA Compliance Review Committee, states, "If an athlete from Russia can prove they were not involved in the institutionalized doping programme, that their data were not part of the manipulation, that they were subject to adequate testing prior to the event in question, and that they fulfill any other strict conditions to be determined, they will be allowed to compete. This avoids punishing the innocent and instead stands up for the rights of clean athletes everywhere."

This is a developing story and we will update it with any further information.

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 In Soviet Russia, Steroids take you.
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flag bigtim (Dec 9, 2019 at 9:49) (Below Threshold)
 Unless you are Chuck Norris in which case... um... you intravenously inject Russia?
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flag Kimura (Dec 9, 2019 at 10:40) (Below Threshold)
 @bigtim: Chuck norris is no longer relevant and hasn't been in very long mate
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 @Kimura: bring on the downvote... Depends on your generation, I guess. If you’re a younger Millennial or Gen Z, nothing is relevant beyond when it stops trending on Twitter or the social video sharing app of the week. For older Millennials or Gen Xers, we tend to objectively value things and aren’t so easily persuaded by pretend online friends, YouTube personalities, and the like who only subjectively value things based on how trendy it will make them look. Point is, Chuck Norris is always relevant. ????
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 Pb really needs better emoji support.
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flag alfiej0nes (Dec 9, 2019 at 12:15) (Below Threshold)
 @dbendixen: Nothing better than a good bit of ignorance and generalisation.
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flag dingus (Dec 9, 2019 at 13:25) (Below Threshold)
 @dbendixen: OK boomer.
  • 20 9
 @dbendixen: I seriously concur... my comments would be 70% shorter
  • 20 5
 @alfiej0nes: yeah, The most unique thing about current 18-30yr olds is that unlike other generations they won’t take generalizations.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Generationalisations, if you may.
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flag roguecheddar (Dec 9, 2019 at 13:52) (Below Threshold)
 @dingus: how very original, did you come up with that all by yourself?
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 @expat: shame on @dingus that he didn’t provide a reference list
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 @expat: I liked you better when you were Pat.
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 @dingus: they won’t take generalizations because generally they are unique.
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 @dingus: so did i
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 @mi-bike: typical laziness in today's youth. Shoddy workmanship.
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 @Kimura: relevant is no longer Chuck norrised
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flag Kimura (Dec 9, 2019 at 16:30) (Below Threshold)
 @dbendixen: OK boomer.
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 @Kimura: Relevancy checks with Chuck before anything is made irrelevant...
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 @VwHarman: Clearly not
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 @Kimura: @Kimura: pray for Chuck Norris not to read your comment...
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 @Gilmarques: not needed
  • 2 0
 @VwHarman: The world need a good dose of Lone Wolf McQuaid.
  • 1 0
 f*ck yeah he is. Without mentioning that he’s openly racist@dbendixen:
  • 3 1
 @jason475: Here we've got news that Russia - the whole country - was banned from international competition for four years and the top comment thread began with Chuck Norris and is now on "ok boomer." The world needs a good dose of something, that's for sure.
  • 4 1
 @dingus: Ok, Millennial.
  • 10 2
 @dbendixen: “Millennial” doesn’t cut it anymore. I am from 1981 I am still Millennial. We need new nomenclature. Like the current 25year olds. But dudes... oh God... They come in all kinds, we have a few at the office and girls are particularly brilliant and determined. I was a mess at their age. But all these angry students of the dumber part of social sciences... I would call them snowflakes, but they don’t fit that. They are sour misfits by whom early 2000s emo kids are a breath of fresh air. Not to mention metal kids. This modern constantly offended pseudo intellectual class used to be pressed down by the cool kids but somehow, in current climate promoting sensitivity their species got their voice and places in the front row. What do we call them... born around 1995-2000, hmmm. Soy beans? Veggie sprouts? They wake up in the morning and all they see is war between good and evil, oppression of classes you didn’t know existed, the environmental apocalypse, privileged tyrants, abused animals amd sexuality being a minefield requiring signed consent, all that in face of Tinder, having access to as much non binding ass as we could have ever imagined. Everything is soaking with hypocrisy, all these awake as fuk morons laughing on fridking social media at smart phone zombies, disconnect to connect, I wonder does it get worse, or are we close to some great actual awakening?

The veggie sprouts... the offendies... I am seriously looking forward to the next generation of cool. Last 5 years sucked ass. Sorry young people, you disappointed me greatly. Current teenagers are way cooler than you. Too many wasted their twenties fighting windmills, looking for glory of white knights and virgins. Take acid and get laid people... make those 30:s worth it
  • 5 3
 @dbendixen: look at Ratboy , he had it all, he could have made into one big rockstar thing, but first big injury, first time the real pressure, and he threw it all away for some high fly bullshit making a joke out of a real concern. I respect him as a rider, but he fell victim to nonsense. Sold his soul to virtue signaling morons who are after few likes of attention before everyone unfollows them on their pathetic social accounts, having no say anyways. World needs optimism, if younwake up in the morning believing it is going to be bad and look for people who make this bad according to your standards, then well, we have no hope it will be bad.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: mmm...I think you're technically a
  • 2 0
 @MikeyMT: Xennials. Yes.
  • 156 1
 "If he dies, he dies"
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flag mkotowski1 (Dec 9, 2019 at 9:56) (Below Threshold)
 Is this a quote from one of the guys running the operation?
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 @mkotowski1: Rocky 4 bro COME ON . I'll break you
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 @nevertoofast: right over my head lol
  • 148 3
 Im just Russian to the comment sections for the Rocky jokes and puns
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 They better be Putin you to the top with that pun.
  • 83 1
 @nyhc00: Some people will probably be Stalin to upvote it.
  • 15 5
 Could get pretty rocky.
  • 192 0
 @nyhc00: Crimea river already.
  • 5 1
 @SnowshoeRider4Life Paulie executed jokes and people taking the Mickey?
  • 7 5
 All paid for by Czech.
  • 4 3
 AddddddrrrrriiiAaannnn my pole broke
  • 4 1
 You Sly dog, you...
  • 13 1
 @steveczech: holy f*cking shit. I wish I could upvote this more.
  • 16 0
 @steveczech: We're not Lenin you off easy with that one.
  • 18 0
 @nyhc00: Kinda scared...I'm always Kremlin under pressure.
  • 24 0
 Ural trying too hard.
  • 13 0
 Here we go again with the Russians trying to medal.
  • 2 0
 I’m not Rasputin anything you’re saying. But please talk a walk in my shoes and Trotsky my way of thinking.
  • 72 6
 Good thing there's no enduro in the olympics, imagine the bans!
  • 48 26
 Richie rude for 2 lifetimes
  • 21 7
 @RedBurn: don't forget Jared Graves if we are playing this game..
  • 26 22
 Add Martin Maes to the list.
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flag philousousou (Dec 9, 2019 at 11:41) (Below Threshold)
 @mtbikemccoy: Something is sure, for your brain any of chemicals products is powerfull enough to resolve the deep hole inside... stupid coy
  • 14 3
 @blablacar: If you think two failed drug tests for Probenecid is acceptable then, for your brain any of chemicals products is powerful enough to resolve the deep hole inside... for sure.
  • 65 1
 Cyclists take steroids?? This is news to me
  • 73 0
 Someone should release a perfectly legal energy gel called 'Steroids' just to confuse the matter further.
  • 10 0
 @bigtim: I would take the EPO flavor then! Smile
  • 44 12
 Kids - drink water, stay away from energy drinks, but most of all... don’t buy drugs. Become a pro roadie and they will give them to you for free
  • 25 2
 Unpopular counterpoint...We all know how bad doping was in the early 2000' most sports. Today cyclists get tired after huge stage efforts, no one man early break beats the peleton by minutes, and winning stage times are 30-60 minutes longer than in the heyday. Its surely not perfect now but its definitely better. Kudo's to this instance of WADA's attempt to level the playing field. Hopefully enforcement continues progressing to the point where we can watch sports again with minimal cynicism.
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 @WAKIdesigns: ya cause it's just the roadies.....
  • 2 0
 @Sardine: You mean like NFL?
  • 3 0
 @Sardine: Maybe we should just have a league where you can do all the fricken drugs in the world. Get the riders going at moto GP type speeds. I *definitely* can't see any down sides.
  • 2 0
 @bigtim: oh, there are several leagues where doping control is virtually non-existent: Bundesliga, La Ligam Premier League, NFL, you name it Smile
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 @WAKIdesigns: Don't waste your time listing those without control, the list will just be too long. You should list the ones with real control, this would be much easier and shorter since there's not a single one that can fully control it. Testing is always behind the most ingenious cheaters and they are in every high level sports.
  • 1 1
 @lRaphl: certain governing bodies and organizations are less corrupt than others. When it cones to corruption and cover up, Listing UCI, FIFA, UEFA, Olympic Committee rolls off the tongue like Chicken Pot Pie. Russian state sponsored doping is disgusting. Mainly because it is so easy to pin point. Huge corporate sponsored doping, oh well... we are not going to make conspiracy theories here, oh no.
  • 68 13
 While the Russian Doping was state run and funded - in Canada we have to rely on good old individual efforts. Am I correct, Chris S., Roland G., Ryder H. and Seamus M? In the US - the postal service and discovery channel can help you out. It is capitalism at its finest..........

I get that this is more recent and state run - but we North Americans are not innocent at all.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 9, 2019 at 10:24) (Below Threshold)
 Oh God... didn’t you learn in the primary school already? It’s not about who is naughty, it is about who gets caught Smile Being friends with principal helps as well. Consequences are taken by those who are capable of taking them.

A WADA official walks into the room: we found a blood transfusion kit hidden in the cistern behind the toilet seat. Chuck, Sven, Klaus, Ivan and XiZhou - who’s stuff is that? Chuck: this is appalling, against the rules of fair play, the spirit of sport, I do not deny nor confirm the knowledge of who installed the sampl... Sven: Please Chuck, I believe it’s everybody’s fault, we ruining the environm... oh would shut up you holistic Swede - Ivan! It’s in Cyrylic, it’s yours! - I duount knouw, Maybe Dye Coauch gieyv iyt tyu mye. Chuck: I know some Russian and I believe it says Made in China. XIZhou - do you confess? - Yes, very much! Really just like that? Yes yes? Do you und... yes yes, - are you playing dumb? Yes yes, - can you drive well ? - yes yes, -ok, doesn’t understand a single word in English, we’re taking Ivan anyways!, Sven: but I put it through translator and it says University of Maryland... - oh well, but at least Chuck believes in high values and he is for transgender rights, Ivans president isn’t!
  • 35 4
 Its a bummer when a country sponsors doping. Its a bummer when an individual sponsors doping. Its an even bigger bummer when "whataboutism" (everyone's favorite deflection tactic...that Russia essentially perfected) makes its way to pinkbike.
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 The cover up is always worse than the crime
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flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 9, 2019 at 12:08) (Below Threshold)
 @Sardine: it’s easy to mistake what-aboutism with ”hey, these fkrs are god damn cheaters, go get’em but we ain’t clean either...” if you think criticism towards Olympic committee is whataboutism then please live inside your bubble of beautiful values. Keep teaching your kids to Worship the facades and put the rotten flesh under the table. For the greater good.
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 But its not only about sports! Russia is killing people all over the world (Ukrain, Syria, Solsbery, Berlin, Afrika, Gergia), and Games for them is just another way to proof Greatness (poor oil sucking territory)
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 @speedshifter: That's some serious bullshit. You are a poor brainwashed system sheep or one of those political paid full time trolls ?
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 @fossydh: Uh....the UK (one example) is Assassination Central for exiled Russian oligarchs. Look at yesterday's news about Dmitry Obretetskiy Russian billionaire killed by 3 cars while walking his dog on a quiet lane. Putin takes care of dissent in ways that Orange Humpty can only dream of.....once KGB - always KGB.
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 @endlessblockades: some of these people are surely killed by direct orders of Putin, but many of them are killed by Russian gangsters. KGB or not, irrelevant. Half of Polish gov deals with Russian Mafias like US gov. deals with big companies. An old friend of my father builds saunas. He was meant to build some for an entrepreneur who got rich quite quickly on logistiscs, wamted a flashy villa. On third day of work, they were to come through the gate but three Russian thugs were there and told them to fk off and never come back. The owner was never heard about again, someone from the company wrote they don’t know anything, he’s probably on vacation. Send invoice, but it was never paid, company fell apart.

All of these folks have sociopaths and good arsenal of weapons. They will find you and whack you. Italian, Chinese and Russian mafia should have olympics... trafficking, borthels, drug making, sales, murder. Colombia wins! But they get nuked by Russians so...
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 @WAKIdesigns: ....I'm off to watch the film: It's a Wonderful Life
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 @fossydh: thank you for carrying about me )))
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 @endlessblockades: Sorry, you have wasted your time yesterday, real journalism is dead. TV journalists nowadays have to shut of the brain and read the teleprompter, otherwise they are fired.
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 @fossydh: Don't be sorry for me. I get my a lot of my event analysis (all taken with a grain of salt) from these 3 sites:

Counterpunch, Wolf Street, and Naked Capitalism.

Nobody watches TV news anymore. If they do, it's for traffic and weather and sports, where lying isn't paid for.
  • 1 1
 What about Ben Johnson, wait that was his name right?
  • 4 0
 Yes. Good old. Ben Johnston. He had some friends though. Carl Lewis. Justin Gattlin. Ben just got the steroid timing wrong. I remember back in the day when he like every other doper proclaimed innocence then wrote a book explaining how he had done it for years. Reminds me of some cycling guys. @mfoga:
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 It should be noted Roland was never specifically named or implicated in the Rasmussen/Canadian ring, let alone ever tested positive, and has proclaimed his innocence as recently as a few years ago in a CT interview.
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 @endlessblockades: (This is the reply to your Oligarch Statement) Turn your head 180 degree, there are a lot of more options and we have more secret services in the world. You and me, we are both people with absolutely no knowledge of the real facts. What if this happened just to shoo sheeps further in the same direction as they did it in the last years ? Following the agenda it could make a lot of sense to create another anti russia false flag (like Salisbury). Who knows, this is (exactly like your statement) just POOR SPECULATION from me.
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 Thanks for pointing that out. You are correct I should not have lumped Roland in with the “boys in the ring”. Sorry Roland.

You should google the original letter to the editor of Chris Shepard after it came out. Then the actual truth. @Jamminator:
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 @fossydh: No worries. I'll just keep listening to cosmic death metal for guidance. I have no faith in humanity.
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 At least Russia will now be able to fully focus on getting Trump elected, again.
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flag JohanG (Dec 9, 2019 at 12:45) (Below Threshold)
 So Trump can send the US forces to annihilate Russian forces in Syria, again.
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 @JohanG: f*ck them both
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 Please be quiet. This is our secret plan!
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 So when the documentary "Icarus" exposed Russian doping on a national level for years and especially for the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics they said Russia would be banned for the Rio Summer Olympics. They caved and let them in and now they have been caught again. I wonder how long it will take before they cave and let them participate again...
  • 14 0
 russia has 21 days to appeal. what do you want to bet this ban gets reduced after some sanctioned cash gets transferred?
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 @SintraFreeride what saved Icarus for me was that they pointed, even if weakly, that it’s not just Russians.
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 This doesn‘t change anything now. It is basically the same as in Rio just that they are not allowed to wear the Russian jersey. They are allowed to compete as „Olympic atheletes from Russia“ in Tokyo.
Even though there were so many bans and scandals I competed against Russians wearing the Russian jersey at the European Games....
Letting Jamaicans, US Americans and Russians start and not testing as hard in other countries is dumb and destroys every sport!
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 @WAKIdesigns: Yeah, of course, Russia isn't the only one cheating. How many Jamaican sprinters have been caught on drugs in the last few years? Merlene Otty, Asafa Powell,Sherone Simpson, Yohan Blake...Usain Bolt was never tested positive but you do have to wonder...
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 @ALeppelsack: "olympic team" will be full equipped by rusdian athlets

So all the World will be know that this is russian team. Does not matter the flag colours. It's Russians. Bingo!

  • 31 1
 Does this include Boris, the sneaky fvckin' Russian?
  • 3 0
 Oh man, that'd be a shame - you gotta respect him for really bucking the weight weenies trend!
  • 16 0
 You mean Boris the Blade? Boris the Bullet Dodger?
  • 13 0
 "Technically, he's an Uzbekistananian (sic)"
  • 5 0
 @Svinyard: Why do they call him the bullet dodger?
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 @Svinyard: Desert Eagle point-five-oh begs to differ...
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 @wildsidewilly: cause he dodges bullets avi
  • 13 0
 What a travesty that Snatch didn't win an Oscar. Such a creative, well done piece of cinema that had to be incredibly difficult to tie together all of the threads whilst still having an awesome story...AND still have so many legendary characters that aren't even leads.
  • 3 0
 @Svinyard: Love that movie. Can't count how many times I have watched it.
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 @Svinyard: Lotta the other films doping that year....
  • 17 0
 I have just read all these comments, but sorry guys I need to feed my bear and drink some vodka and go back to work where I will definitely play balalaika, hm I don't remember did I drink my steroids today or not?
  • 10 0
 You forgetting nuclear weapon, товарищ
  • 9 0
 @Jeylu: I never forget my nuclear weapon, my black case with RED button always in my backpack even when I take a shower!
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 @W64bitXW: and please feed my bear too while i'm working this month
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 @nanaMEX: no problem we have kindergarten for bears in Russia =) You know comrades last night I was crying like a bitch, because that ban taught me that cheating in Olympic is not good, they were right it works!(((
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>> t I was crying like a bitch

Stay strong, comrad! No pasaran! For the name of Stalin!
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 Their state spent the 20th Century killing off their best and brightest people. These are the leftovers desperately clinging to a glorious past they won't recover for many, many generations.
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 Yah Putin is ex kgb, great ideology to run a country
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 @mkotowski1: better than ideology that a dumber (and often uglier) part of American and Canadian students are praising. Marxism
  • 28 3
 @WAKIdesigns: I dunno Putin and his cronies may be a bit more of an existential threat to the human existence than American and Canadian students who will briefly shout about Marxism then go buy a house and have a family and forget all that nonsense.
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flag JohanG (Dec 9, 2019 at 12:44) (Below Threshold)
 @mkotowski1: except when they vote for Marxists.
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 @JohanG: don’t worry, the proletariat isn’t coming to take your cows
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 @mkotowski1: I come from Poland I have no delusions to what any political order east from my motherland is capable of since like A.D. 1000. It’s the North America that has problems with understanding that since 1944. You dealt with Soviets, you gave them power. It’s beyond your Understanding how Polish people when they heard of German invasion were running east, when they heard few days later that Russian are invading as well, they preferred to run to Germans. How People of Lviv were terrified of Germans being pushed out by Soviets, having second Soviet Occupation. Intelligents and entrepreneurs were all murdered or sent to Gulags to die a slow horrific death without any dignity. Millions and millions of people. Yet your system teaches you only of horrors of nazism. All that despite existential threat Soviets have put on you, the horror of nuclear attack on cities. Millions who died in so many countries ravaged by communism in South America, Kambodia, Korea, central Europe all literally retarded by this cancer of idealism, still romanticized in the West. Even here on PB some idiot said to me that Gulag is better than German Concentration camp because it is not racism or eugenics that were driving it. Gulag is a fkng concentrateion camp, just less organized. No fancy incinerators or doctors, just pure old school methods from Napoleonic times. And if there are slave working camps in Florida or Italy, US gov capitalizes on inmates in jails then make no mistake: Gulags are still in running, Just like Chinese surely have some of their own.
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 @JohanG: Show me a Marxist.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Communism was not a Russian invention - it was though foisted on the Russians.

Who financed Lenin (not Russian) and Trotsky to get the Revolution going against the Russian Tsar?

Who is behind the financialisation of the West and bringing such wonder as a result? Same tribe.

This Russia doping meme is nothing but a F-you to the Russians for not bending over like they did in the 90's. For some reason they don't want to be financially raped any more.

Oh, and Russian Mafia and killings in London - is more about Tribe than being Russian.

As for Poland - it would be nice if they gave up their dreams of re-establishing the old Polish/Lithuanian Empire. What happened to Poland in WW2 was nothing but payback for Polish behavior to their neighbors in the 20's and 30's. I don't agree with it but I understand where it came from. History is a B like that.

Be nice if people got over themselves and just chilled.

The Olympics is like Eurovision - Garbage
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Right now US companies are supplying advanced gene-sequencing technology and expertise to assist the Chinese Gov't in identifying ethnic minorities (non-Han) in the west of their country. All residents have been forced to submit blood samples under the guise of health research. Of course, China would never use the genetic data to round up non-Hans and send them to the 'Reeducation' gulag (brainwashing at best, organ harvesting for the unlucky). That wouldn't be fair. That would be genocide like the US did to the First Nation ppls. Like Hitler did to the non-Aryans. Nobody believed the Nazis could do such a thing and we stood by in silence. So it continues until the earth is purged of everyone but a handful of trillionaires and their serfdom. Someone said: History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.
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 @mkotowski1: I am a prole. I'm just smart enough to know that Marx's "solution" was worse than the problem.
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 No one running for power is a Marxist. The reality of capitalism, even capitalism supported by socialist programs like in Canada, is that sooner or later all of the money ends up at the top. One of the features is that at a certain point the redistribution of wealth becomes necessary. That can either come from higher taxes for the rich and corporations, or flaming torches and pitch forks. It's one or the other.
  • 2 0
 @JohanG: Yeah, American politics are plagued with Marxist candidates....
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 @WAKIdesigns: wychodzisz od Polska? Teraz wszystko rozumiem twoja dyspozycja ????
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 @gnarterrorist: I agree pretty much wit heverything you wrote. Poles are not innocent by any means, they just happen to be in that place in terms of geography, existence, tectonic plates, Earth orientation to the sun, location in Galaxy, whatever. I don't look for any rights or wrongs here. I just clarify the background for some people. KGB is not a nice bunch of people, but they are still nicer than NKWD. We have to be happy from small things... at least we who are not directly influenced by them. Just please take note that Polish Lithuanian Empire was not only a greed and conquest driven reaction, off course, it's always the case with zero sum game of medieval economy, but it was also a function of it being the best way to protect our own borders considering how many super powers we had around. Germans, Russians, Czechs, Ottomans. In fact Poles were the only single power in the whole history that conquered Moscow and stayed there for years. Not a reason to pride, but an interesing point of reference. Maybe Mongols did that too, would have to check. MOngols... that was a fricking game...

@endlessblockades - "Nobody believed the Nazis could do such a thing and we stood by in silence" - nobody likes to think they would be standing out there on the stadium or on the parades with the right arm raised straight up with joy and pride. But this exactly what would happen to most of us if we lived in Germany between 1914 and 1942. Such is our human biology and set of moral values. It is shaped by environment we are living in, families we are born to, schools we go to, families our friends are born to, it goes on and on. One of fundamental functions of human brain is being social and that means fitting in. Even the most high horsed green leftie will look for echo chamber and if that echo chamber grows big enough, they will love it. I can easily imagine a huge environmental cataclism and these highly moralistic environmentalists gladly organizing field courts to prosecute and execute the "polluters". No problem mate. It would happen. We, especially men, all have a self righteous sadist inside, waiting for right conditions to bloom.

And so we do today. Our values and decisions are shaped by everything we eoncounter daily and over the course of our past time on this Earth. However we cannot see what is happening in non-medialized parts of the world, places we have no idea about, and these stretches of land are huge. Africa, cental Asia, southern Asia, far Asia. Damn, we don't see many parts of our own towns. Also our lives are more complex than ever, remains of our free attention assets are often occupied by entertainment, nad fk, why not? If you tried to do the right thing all the time you'd hopefully kill yourself out of going crazy before you kill someone else.
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 Maybe Russia should lead the charge and have the first honest full disclosure Olympics, where athletes only requirement is that they admit to using PEDs? We can see sprinters running the 100m sub 9 seconds, 3 m in high jump, etc! It would be super exciting! Their hearts would only have to last until the finish line, and I'm sure drug companies would line up to sponsor the event!
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 It would be awesome to see them so juiced up their own limbs explode. Big time pay-per-view event.
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 SNL All-Drug Olympics:
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 this is called having "Nationality Low Self Esteem". We've gotta cheat to win at all costs.
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 Like if americans never cheated
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 @ciechan: yes, tell me more about our systematic cheating...
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 They’re all born with fetal alcohol syndrome. Just look how close Putin’s eyes are together. Clearly fetal alcohol syndrome, probably why he’s a f*cking maniac
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 @Mattntp: Tell me what syndrome does Trump have? Among quite many things, He can’t keep his butt cheeks together. Crossing with Orangutans no farther than 2 generations back? May we see his birth certificate, wasn’t his grandmom called Ngugmug? And what does attract white trash to fat monkeys, so they voted for him? Some primal reflex? Monkey = food? Do monkeys bring fried chicken?
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flag preach (Dec 9, 2019 at 10:49) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: he's a tool for sure. But you can't argue with what his economics have done with our economy and our job-rate.
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 @preach: you cannot deny what Putin did for Russian economy Smile
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 @preach: Oh give me a break. The man has no idea what's going on, and he certainly doesnt have any policy that affected the economy or unemployment rate. You're just parroting shit you've read on his Twitter. LOL
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 @spankthewan: no worries, I'm no trump fan. His on-air comments about women ensured that years ago.
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 @preach: You must have missed the 1984 Los Angeles games with all the blood boosting organized by Team USA cycling staff on behalf of their athletes that was disclosed in later years. If you think that was the only time, then I also have a bridge to sell you.
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 @Ginsu2000: 35 years ago is the best you can come up with? Again, Russia's is systematized by the government. Our Olympics are not GOV sponsored, nor do they receive any gov funding.
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 @preach: it seems naïve to think the majority of athletes from every sporting nation aren't cycling on something.
It's like with Lance Armstrong or Ben Johnson, the guys who finished behind them were cheating too, they just hadn't been caught.
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 @Ian713: again, it's not systematized by the government. People will cheat, yes. Russia however has a national problem.
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flag lancifer (Dec 9, 2019 at 12:11) (Below Threshold)
 @spankthewan: Believe what you want, my CNC business numbers don't lie. Production up 275% past 16 months(I had to hire 3 new machinists, buy 1 new mill(HAAS), and 1 used). Prototype designs are up over 150% with more coming in weekly(Hiring another programmer). Seeing lots of interest in bringing production back home( from aviation to door hinges)! Business is booming because some people figured out that "we can" make our own stuff, sure it's more expensive now because they've been getting cheap chinese rates for so long, but that's what happens. Been seeing similar growth trends at some competitors shops as well, so something positive continues to go on in USA production. So I guess Trump is probably just lucky in business huh? I couldn't care less about the politics, but when my family is doing better than ever, my business is on fire, and growing weekly, all I can say is Thanks Trump. By the way, doesn't 'Russian Olympics' translate to 'always doping'?
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 @lancifer: Cool anecdote, but if you're interested in facts, here's a better look at what's truly happening in American manufacturing.

Trump isn't "lucky in business." He would have more money if he just put his inheritance into index funds, rather than starting many failed ventures. Your selfish, myopic view doesn't change the fact that Trump is not positively affecting manufacturing; he is positively destroying farming in the US.
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 @Mattntp: @Mattntp: LOLOL, love it. So true.

If you look back into the history of Russia you'll find they bred from their sisters and cousins, so as the generations go on, the whole place gets madder and madder.

True story, my friend told me.
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 @Ginsu2000: You weren’t even a bad idea after a 6-pack in your daddies mind in 1984, what do you know? And I think that Travis Tigert May have something to say about your theory that doping in the US is systematically organized. After the Armstrong lynching, I’d like to see someone try it.
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 @lancifer: just because your widget has seen more demand doesn't mean demand is up for widgets across the board.
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 @iantmcg: again there is a gulf in understanding between business owners and employees
You may both be right on certain angles
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 @preach: again, it's naive to reason a lack of direct government involvement means the practice isn't widespread.
Russian athletes are using the communist model, Americans are using a capitalist one.
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 @lancifer: thats called economic cycles.. last 7-8 years was growth in almost all countries , all sectors of economy.. leaders could just sit back and do nothing and economies would grow.. also, if you have a good business, take credit for it youself instead of chanting Hail Trump. But wait till you get through recession first, its too early to celebrate yet..
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 @lancifer: "Lots of people are saying.....".
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 @SlodownU: "You weren’t even a bad idea after a 6-pack in your daddies mind in 1984"

Cool story bro. Comments like that are always a sure sign of someone who has the misguided notion they have reached some age of knowledge and wisdom. If wisdom came out of your ass then you'd have it nailed.

@SlodownU: "And I think that Travis Tigert May have something to say about your theory that doping in the US is systematically organized. After the Armstrong lynching, I’d like to see someone try it."

Most doping scandals that have been unearthed have given the next generation a refined playbook of how to avoid detection in the future. I appreciate the efforts of USADA and Tygart, but to think that systematic doping has been eliminated is naive.
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??? U off your meds? I didn’t mention trump at all. Maybe u got fetal alcohol syndrome too.
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 @Mattntp: meds? What meds should I be on? You crapped on Putin for fetal alcohol syndrome, I said your president has Orangutan fetus syndrome coped with White trash complex of his voters. Come on, throw some more crap at other countries, after all that’s what monkeys do, don’t they?
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 @matttauszik: ...and you know how they like to talk!
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 @Ginsu2000: Lets stick to the point here, you're implying that because team USA MAY have organized doping 40yrs., ago, its still does so today. Systematic doping will never be eliminated, but I'm pretty sure its not organized at the national level in the US or Canada today. A few bad coaches/athletes, of course, you'll never eliminate that, but neither country is looking to have their national-level bodies like USA Cycling, USTAF, etc. be publicly executed on a global stage.
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 @spankthewan: Sorry my numbers say different, and I talked with my competitors, suppliers. Same. Sustained growing trends. And when my clients say they want Made in the USA back, and the tariffs made them take notice to research "homeade" stuff, guess what, he positively affected several businesses right here! My Grandpa was a farmer son, so I know exactly who destroyed the farmers, nice try. It is truly amazing how consumed you haters have become, and then you want to rely on the media for facts??? Trump's a business man not a politician. Businessmen take risks, politicians argue about them.
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 @lancifer: That's right; we "haters" do not rely on Trump's Twitter account for facts. Like I already said, you're of the "I got mine, so f*ck you" school of thought. You have no interest in facts or how others are affected, and long as you're raking in the dough.
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 @SlodownU: Great. Now you want to stick to the point. Frown

I agree with everything in your last post, except the part about how team USA "May have organized doping 40 years ago". With several athletes freely admitting their participation in the program in the years afterward, it's way beyond the point of maybe.

History has proven that willingness to cheat doesn't know boundaries on a map. If athletes and their coaches believe they can get around the testing, there will always be some who will exercise that option regardless of what flag they are competing under.
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 @spankthewan: Sorry to get you all fired up. I guess it must really hurt you that someone is actually happy with how things are going in the US, and success is happening because of what I all ready told you. I'm way too busy to waste my time reading ANY twitter accounts, I'll leave that to the likes of you! Oh, and just so you know, the more successful I am, the bigger the donations I will continue to make to worthwhile causes like children's cancer research, breast cancer research among others I use that unfortunately are close to me. No I don't give cash to the homeless, but I have bought them food! So F**K your school of thought, you don't know what your talking about, and you sure don't know me, your just angry! Why don't you go use your Trump anger to go learn a corked 720. By the way, I didn't even vote for him! HA HA!
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 Well, "let me speak from my heart"©
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 so gutted for Irek rizaev, and kostya andreev, both of them having never competed in Olympics before with bmx freestyle just being added and now they can't coz of something completely out of their control with other athletes fucking up previously
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 we stay as their fans no matter Smile

But yep - it will be cool games for BMX'ers, i want to watch it!
(may be some components will be installed by BOY components on their bikes, it's my company)
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 Bummer. Any athlete who isn't guilty and affected is having a really bad day. What can you say to them?
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 Here is info from the above article:
"If an athlete from Russia can prove they were not involved in the institutionalized doping programme, that their data were not part of the manipulation, that they were subject to adequate testing prior to the event in question, and that they fulfill any other strict conditions to be determined, they will be allowed to compete. This avoids punishing the innocent and instead stands up for the rights of clean athletes everywhere."
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 @vondur: But there no any explanation how they really can do that, because it is impossible to do. Even if you are clean as a crystal.
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 @vondur: Yeah, that's the bit that sucks. It is basically "guilty until proven innocent". If you're an olympic athlete, you're getting guidance and support from your sports organisation. You can't compete at that level without that kind of support. And you just have to trust that what you're being given is good and fair. I doubt any olympic athlete is able to prove, independent of what their national sports organisation tells them, that they have not ingested forbidden substances. I honestly doubt any olympic athlete from any country can do that. So this appendix to that article is pretty pointless. They probably had to make that provision but no athlete is in a position to prove that they are "clean". And especially the bit "... and that they fulfill any other strict conditions to be determined, ..." is as vague as can be.

I quit caring about the olympics (and the politics and offensive bullshit behind it) a long time ago. But I realize it is important for these athletes and seeing your lifework being smashed to shit like this must be unsettling.
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 @vondur: so the athletes have to prove their innocence instead of anyone proving their guilt?
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 Do you really think this is doping problem?

Open your eyes. This is politica. Just live with this Wink
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 Some are really naive thinking to be well informed. People are often not ready to accept the obvious because it can raise question after question. Yes, those who do not want to cheat themself have to live with this !
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 That'll just give them 4 years head start to developing the next gen of PEDs
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 Most Russian athletes have track Marx.
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 Remember, no Russian- Makarov
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 i only read comments for all the shit people say
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 PB - for the Pictures and Bullsh1tting
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 You are naive if you think that most countries don't take steroids when they compete. They're just better at not getting caught!
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 Really I could care less if another athalete wants to ruin there health with steriods, keep that crap out of the food supply. Dairy cows pumping ten times there normal production of milk. Growth hormone chicken. Feeding candy and cardboard box to cattle. Antibiotics in shirimp, not to mention Monsanto and its ruining of plants and vegetables. Seriously to focus on a couple of athaletes and look the other way while your being feed all this crappy food. There is a matter of choice we have to eat and our food supply is being alterd we havr no choice we have to eat. If someone chooses to dope up for a 1-2%gain why should I care thats there body there choice. However your not choosing when you go shopping and what's been done to your food is harming you against your knowing about it.
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 The Russian collusion continues...
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 Individual American riders dope and should be banned when caught. America is just smart enough not to run a massive state-sponsored doping operation.
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 Drugs are bad mmmmkay
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 Its a shame that clean athletes could be caught up in this and have a punishment handed against them that they dont deserve. That being said, the breadth and depth of doping use by Russia is ridiculous and almost unmeasurable it seems so there has to be commensurate consequences. I cant comprehend the kind of pressure or bullshit put on Russian athletes by their government to do stuff they potentially don't want to do, just so they are allowed to compete. But hopefully....this will incentivise those clean athletes to start putting real pressure on their governing bodies to clean their shit up, otherwise they will potentially lose the best years of their careers and future athletes may have no championship career to speak of. This is just a fantasy view, but crazier things have happened before.
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 Obama would straighten this out...tell vlad i need another election
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 Always wondered if I could pass a drugs test due to medication for nerve damage in my back?
But recently applied to work at Amazon got drug tested & passed!
But if you work for amazon you would need to be crazy or heavily medicated just handle working there!
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 Hi5 Wink
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 Poutine not Putin eh !
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 I guess this just leaves the Russian ebike team.
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 I hope all the future russian BMX Racers and Freestylers will still be compieting at the events. Russia as a cycling community is getting bigger and bigger. It would be a shame to harm this progression. They have great MTB and BMX rider!
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 Everyone is giving their opinions so here is mine: i do not understand politics so nothing makes sense to me. I do not get why Russia funds this or anything. It was unfortunate that all Russian athletes cannot compete, what i mean is the non cheating ones. Hopefully this is a learning point for Russia and whatever organization fundedt the doping. My opinion is useless and doesnt make sense but there it is
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 Ha ha, your last sentence would seriously fit better to common statements of our politicians, but in this case it is good humor. :-)
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 @fossydh: haha. You know when you are sayin something but have no clue where it is going?
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 Same as before. The flag isn’t there but most of the clean cheaters, sorry, athletes are...
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 Finally )
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 That really sucks for Russian athletes that do not dope!
OR is it requirement to be on their team?
To all non doping Russians athletes time to defect!
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 Marxism, socialism, fascism. Let's just be honest, this article is here for the clicks.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 9, 2019 at 13:27) (Below Threshold)
 Don’t forget Transphobia Smile
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 All at the same time US athletes pop legally prescribed pills for ADHD or asthma. Like with Lance they doing this shit just to score political points.
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 Question....what is a clean athlete (in any individual sport)?

Answer....CAT 2 at best

Yeah it sucks, but everyones doing it. Russia? They just got caught
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 Moreover "clear" athletes were banned too, it`s disappointing.

Hate our corrupted goverment and all they do.
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 And the western goverments are corrupt puppets because they do not what their citizens want. 24/7 bashing instead of friendship with a great land of reliable, confident and helpful people.
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 Agassi Lance Armstrong It's only propaganda Yankees go home. Russia R.E.S.P.E.C.T. I'm not Russian. I'm Greek. Hope for justice.
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 You gotta say this in an Ali. G voice, it carries more brevity.
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 @matttauszik: ali g if I don't got wrong is Jew....and has a big the Zionists big banana that you Yankee have inside you.
Cheers ......go and pay for health insurance
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 Mother Russia!
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 What does this mean for Benderoni?
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 He is vegan
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 More Russian bullshit.
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 How many WADA officials are going to suddenly die of polonium poisoning or have suspicious accidents?
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 Seems like everyone wants to be governed. Make banned substances legal. Then we can call them supplements. Let the athletes sort it out. Anarchy
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 I was thinking of this some more and shouldn't Nike be banned from the Olympics? I mean Project Oregon was a company sponsored doping program.
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 US Olympic athletes who failed drug tests:

Carl Lewis (yeah, he cheated)
Marion Jones
Justin Gatlin
Mary Slaney
Lance Armstrong
Tyson Gay

There have been countless others less famous. When an American gets popped for doping in the Olympics it's a tragedy. When an Eastern Bloc athlete gets popped it's corruption. Glass houses.
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 I think the difference here is that the US incidents were isolated and carried out at the behest of the athlete, and in Russia the government was administering and/or forcing a cheating program and trying to cover it up at a federal level.
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 The article seems to indicate it has to do with the Russian testing organization that's responsible for oversight of their athletes and enforcement of anti-doping rules was out of compliance and/or assisting in cover-ups, not because athletes doped.

When it's a single athlete, like those you mention, yea it sucks, but it's an isolated issue. When it's an entity covering testing of the entire country that is manipulating results, it's corruption.
  • 12 1
 Uh, in the US its not a state run program like in Russia. These guys above rolled the dice and lost. in Europe, the worst that happens to you is what happened to Froome or Contador. Nothing.
  • 8 1
 Yeah but pretty much every Russian athlete is force fed steroids through government run programs. Your chances of being sucked into doing roids is super high when the government is supplying every team doctor with roids
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 I think there is a perspective that everyone has people that cheat...but that is quite different than it being a countries supported policy/plan. This isn't really about an athlete cheating but about their organization cheating and then working on a cover-up.
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 @Svinyard: Everyone here should just go and watch Icarus on Netflix. It will answer just about any question you all have here, and address all the theories. It also addresses why they got banned in Brazil and Korea also. One of the main characters is one the people that helped to engineer the entire program.
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 Correct, buys it's not sponsored at a national level with the national leagues/ government actively participating in and sanctioning the cheating.
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 The Phelper was hella baked.
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 @samdeatley: sorry, do really think anyone fair-playing?

Just look at tennis and Williams-sisters Wink
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 @nanaMEX: I don’t, my only point is that it’s not a glass house, it’s government participation that’s the difference between what happens in Russia and what everyone else is doing. For example, the US government is not supplying USAC with equipment and support in a cheating effort. Riders do it on their own. However Russia is providing direct support to the Russian sport federations and athletes to make sure they’re cheating. Or at least the USA as sloppy about it.
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 @samdeatley: This is where we start splitting hairs. Is it more wrong that doping is state sponsored rather than an individual action? Or just wrong? And if a particular American athlete who is earning millions for sponsors is doping under full knowledge of a team of doctors and sponsors, is that not conspiracy?

Breaking the rules is breaking the rules. Wrong is wrong. Do some research into Carl Lewis and you'll find massive cover ups going back years. It's not even that big a secret. The reason? He was the golden goose, the American golden child, and the folks in charge concealed his cheating.
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 @samdeatley: There's nothing 'isolated' about pro athletes cheating. It's ingrained into sports at all levels where millions of dollars are on the line. The UCI knew cyclists were doping. But they weren't going to stop the gravy train of ad dollars during a huge peak in cycling interest. The NFL, MLB, NHL, etc, have covered up cheating for decades. Twenty years ago Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa saved baseball with their homerun slugfest. Their steroid use was concealed until after the dollars were counted.

Again, wrong is wrong. Saying that a country sponsored cheating, while another country had individual athletes cheating doesn't make one any more right than the other.
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 @iangillies: I don't think anyone is saying a state run doping program is better or worse than an individually run one, just that the punishment is and should be handed out differently.
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 @iantmcg: I'm probably reading into the comments a bit much, but I'm seeing implied commentary - this is bad, but that is worse, kind of stuff. I also think that WADA and USADA are a bit of a joke and are selective in who and how they punish.

Personally, I think doping should be out in the open, total legal. If an athlete assumes the risks, it's on them. The 'it sets a bad example to our youth' argument is a little hard to swallow when said youth are sitting on their couches all day long first-person-killing simulated characters.
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 @samdeatley: sorry for my english, it's not native for me

Any country uses doping. Their all play this game Since getting Win in Olimpic Games becames an National Event in any country

The Question is - There is border, and who can be catched now

There is strange story with RusADA, cause there is now doping, only meldoni
Meldoni isn't doping, it's (was) legal pharma to recovering heart system without risk for health

But it used only in Russia, so it was a possibility to make it unlegal, cause it (really?) masking some doping
That was a first time.
Second time was because WADA think we changing results in probes
Any hacker can crack that system and change results. And there is paths of intruding from ip-addreses from ... USA. Your politics talking we cracked Trump election. Do you believe this?
If your believe in this, then you have to believe that it wasn't our fail (with doping results)

If you don't believe, then please listen: may be we are cheaters, may be you are, may be noone
This is politic process, and Russia gets this way of "revenge" for Crimea, Nord Stream, Syria and so on...

But please never talk about "clean" countries for doping cheaters

USA need not compromate their USAC, their just changing laws for legal/unlegal pharma,
or makes "exeptions" for some athletes. And this exeptions allows to masks paths od doping.

It's so cute and fun - tell that someone cheating while doing that same yourself Smile
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 Girls pee out of their Butt..... Russia and their federal subjects: twenty-two republics, nine krais, forty-six oblasts, one autonomous oblast, four autonomous okrugs, and three cities.
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 "but it [Russia] chose instead to continue in its stance of deception and denial."

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 It might seem unreasonable but Im irritated by the ability of Russian athletes who didnt test postive being able to compete as 'Olympic Athletes of Russia'. In a state sponsored doping situation where you are part of a sporting federation that forced athletes to dope uniformly, just because you didnt test positive doesnt make you innocent, it just means you didnt get caught. If you were part of the sporting federation you should be taking the ban like everyone else. Still no commentary on stripping athletes of their medals won under doping over the last 50 odd years either! I think its a weak response, likely to get weakened further.
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 Are you irritated by any athlete not getting caught ot just Russians?
I mean, if we extend your logic and apply your reasoning to everyone then it becomes messy
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 Yep, lets ban all UK athletes! Just in case they doped, but did not get caught.. and make them prove they didnt dope.

You realise that most serious russian athletes competed in international events, where they were tested by the country event-organizer?
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 @Ian713: Theres enough evidence out there from Russian atheltes themselves which point to all international athletes being forced to dope by the government. On the basis of the precautionary principle it would make more sense to not have any athlete compete from a federation involved in state sponsored doping.

I was pointing out its a weak response. And based on precedent is going to get weaker.

Its got nothing to do with Russians so take your lame wokeness and weak finger pointing about racism elsewhere.
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 @GZMS: Yeah thats the point Im making, you got it bang on there buddy. Its about nationalities.
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 @bombdabass: Don't be a muppet, you twit. "Russian" isn't a race and no one's saying it has anything to do with racism regardless, so beat off your dead horse with the other hand you're not jerking yourself off with.
The main malfunction you seem incapable of grasping is how thoroughly corrupt sport is and has been for the longest time. If you want to tell yourself fairy tales of GBR, USA, China and every other country not having networks established to get the best juice to their athletes then go back to your regularly scheduled programming. Dumbass.
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 @dbendixen: Chuck Norris is not relevant because relevance dares not judge him.
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 Has this sort of ban ever happened before? Is a whole nation?
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 Yeah. To Russia.
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 @GZMS: 2016 Paralympics, after the proposed Olympics ban was rejected.
  • 1 0
 Marsha and The Bear banned too? hmm
  • 1 0
 WOW about stirring the pot.Smile
  • 1 1
 I wonder if Nike will be banned from the throwing their swoosh all over the Olympics? After the Oregon Project?
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 Well, most of the russian athletes banned for being russian athletes.
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 And use steroids
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 @bearkoff: all of them?
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 @antoniorcdj: no one knows for sure except the athletes. you should watch Icarus though to get an understanding of how complex and thorough their doping operation is
  • 4 0
 @74tenomresc: I'm pretty sure many athletes dope without knowing it themselves..
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 Yes, each day more and more are waking up, but the most can't still not see the Matrix behind. I'm so sorry for the circumstances. I really love the Russians and hope that we can overcome that negative Propaganda as a united force against all those lies.
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 @LaurensVR: I don't doubt that to be the case. I'm sure many know, and I'm sure many do not know
  • 1 0
 Rocky IV proves it all
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 Har Har!
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 sad true
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 If he dopes, he dopes
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 Well deserved! Wink
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 Rocky 3?
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 You mean 4
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 Clubber Lang was not Russian... But he DEFINITELY murdered Mick.
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 @SamRouss: o shit yeah drago
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