Sam Hill to Sit Out 2020 EWS Season Due to COVID Risk

Aug 18, 2020
by James Smurthwaite  
Enduro World Series Champ three years in a row Sam Hill

Sam Hill has announced he will not be flying to Europe to take part in the upcoming 2020 EWS season due to the risks associated with the COVID-19 virus.

With cases rising across Europe again, Sam said in a press release that the risk of travelling to himself and his family is too great. Sam also lives in Western Australia where strict rules have been placed on international travel, which would make it difficult to travel to and from Europe. Nukeproof said: "the prospect of non-essential travel and 14 day isolation & quarantine on return is something we are not comfortable with and unwilling to ask any of our athletes to do."

bigquotesI’m unfortunately not going to be at the upcoming EWS races this year due to the ongoing COVID-19 situation around the world. Traveling across the world right now is not a risk I want to put myself or my family through. It’s a very tough decision to make as I love racing and being with my team and the fans but I feel it’s the right choice for myself at this time. Hopefully next year things can get back to normal and I will be ready to chase another title.Sam Hill

The man on a mission. Sam Hill

Sam has been EWS champion for 3 years in a row and he will continue to be reigning champion when he returns in 2021. The EWS has already confirmed that due to the disruption this season, "there is no series championship this year and we’ll no doubt miss some nationalities attending and the spectators being trackside".

The 5-round EWS season is due to begin on August 30 in Zermatt and will run until October 17. The revised schedule can be found here.


Press Release: Nukeproof

It’s been a crazy year for everyone, our thoughts go out to all those affected by the current Covid-19 situation.

Like most of you, we’ve been eager to get back to do what we love; racing bikes. However, after much discussion and consideration and with respect for all involved, we have decided Sam Hill will not travel to Europe this year to compete in the 2020 EWS races.

Where Sam lives in Western Australia, they have strict rules on international travel and whilst air travel companies are doing an amazing job to make travel as risk free as possible, the prospect of none essential travel and 14 day isolation & quarantine on return is something we are not comfortable and unwilling to ask any of our athletes to do.

Sam came into 2020 more motivated and prepared than ever, ready to defend his Enduro World Title. However, with the prospect of no EWS 2020 world title on the line, Sam will remain as the current EWS world champion going into 2021 when we will hope to be back to racing.

We would also like to wish team rider Kelan Grant a speedy recovery from recent shoulder surgery. The team and Kelan chose this time to rectify a persistent injury and ensure that he is 100% fit and healthy for the future so he will also miss the next few races of the 2020 season.

However, we’re excited to get back to racing and the rest of the team will head out to Zermatt. For the remaining races joining 2018 U21 EWS World Champion Elliott Heap and myself will be a really talented local rider to myself - Anthony Hales. Ant, will be competing in his first EWS races and is an exciting prospect to look out for.

A big thank you to all our team sponsors and their management for their continued support in these strange times, we are fortunate to have support from some of the best sponsors and people in the business.

I want to thank all our team for their proactive approach to this year. Whilst racing has not been possible, our athletes have continued to do as much as possible to entertain. Be sure to look out for some really cool riding edits Sam is working on in WA coming soon.

Lastly, thank you to the great EWS team for working so hard to get some races going this year.

Stay safe everyone.



471 Comments

  • 563 30
 There are many people who would say that the risk of dying in a crash while riding a bike at high speeds would be much much greater than dying of COVID-19, but the difference is that Sam can control what happens on the bike. He cannot control what happens with the virus, it is indiscriminate and uncontrollable. Missing time with family, weeks in isolation and quarantine or ending up on a ventilator just don’t make sense compared to being healthy with family. I respect Sam’s choice.
  • 68 2
 Bang on. These guys know the risks they're taking and in this case they decided the risk/reward wasn't worth it, especially considering how much of it was out of their hands.
  • 130 7
 I think there is a big difference between the risk of hurting yourself and the risk of infecting other people
  • 125 15
 He crashes he could die. He catches covid he could kill his family. Big difference.
  • 120 2
 The other part behind these decisions that people miss is the unknown long term effects of this disease. Both SARS and MERS have significant long term lung damage associated with just getting infected even if someone does not become significantly ill. For any athlete that unknown dramatically increases the perceived risk to their careers and incomes.
  • 59 445
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 7:14) (Below Threshold)
 Except Sam and his family are healthy and young. So yeah, you're wrong about risk /reward. He's taking the time off to heal.
miro.medium.com/max/4800/0*edUGDyWXySdabcc8.png

By all means, continue to be clueless about who the disease kills as you post on a website for young people in stereotypically great cardio shape. ????
  • 59 171
flag blowmyfuse (Aug 18, 2020 at 7:19) (Below Threshold)
 So where do you folks think Covid-19 will go in May, June, July 2021. WIll it be packing it's virus bags and heading off to Mars, never to be seen again?
  • 88 6
 @blowmyfuse: depends on the success of vaccines. Measles, Mumps and Polio might as well have blasted off to Mars given the success of their vaccines
  • 63 4
 @pistol2ne: Did you check your own "evidence"? In the image you posted Hill falls in an age group more likely to die from COVID than influenza.
  • 302 28
 @pistol2ne: You are the reason the rest of the world looks at the US with shock and pity.
  • 70 2
 Hey I don't know if that graph is right or wrong, but you'll get more traction if you use academic sources instead of a partisan think tank:

www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Foundation_for_Research_on_Equal_Opportunity
  • 28 7
 @eastonsmith: Was going to post the same thing. It's adorable, the attempt @pistol2ne makes at pretending that facts matter.
  • 37 170
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 7:36) (Below Threshold)
 @davec113: for posting rational fear of death charts? Yeah sorry for not adding gas to the irrational fire.

And yeah MI-bike he does. By 2.5x. When's the last time you ever thought about the flu for any of your travels?
  • 45 9
 @salespunk: Absolutely. I don't understand how long term effects are not being taken more seriously. The mortality rate could end up being MUCH higher in 5 years. Studies are now coming out that support this view, with about half of folks with no or mild symptoms suffering heart damage! We need to take this more seriously in the US imo.
  • 29 155
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 7:39) (Below Threshold)
 @davec113: well, at least you have the comment section for the next 5 years of your life. God knows Boulder isn't opening up anytime soon. At least not until November 4th when it miraculously goes away.
  • 31 0
 @pistol2ne: Sam isn’t as young as you think, while statistics are a valuable tool they don’t control your specific risk assessment. If you’re traveling to Europe you’re spending hours on a plane, planes don’t have super advanced air scrubbers and despite everyone’s wearing a mask covid’s probably of infection increases with increased exposure. This exposure is expressed in an amount and time situation, the greater the time exposed at higher viral Loads the higher the probability of illness and greater the severity of illness despite health. The risk just doesn’t make sense for him and that’s his decision. He’s probably fortunate enough that his sponsors understand and he can still provide value outside of racing.
  • 62 171
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 7:46) (Below Threshold)
 @davec113: "we need to take it more seriously"

We needed to take our health more seriously decades ago. Basically nobody in the US under the age of 44 has died BECAUSE of covid without a prexising condition. The vast majority of those preexisting conditions were due to obesity. I am sure you also enjoyed Cuomo talk about he properly handled covid in New York at the dnc last night lol.
  • 5 0
 @eastonsmith: Thanks for writing that so I don’t need to. Hope you’re well buddy!
  • 9 5
 @scvkurt03: You may not like FREOPP but that doesn't make the data non-factual. The data used for that graph are from the CDC.
  • 14 11
 @davec113: Those studies are BS. I do this for a living. They are not peer reviewed, and based mostly on conjecture with no viable mechanism of action defined.
  • 13 3
 @pistol2ne: Kids in the US have been isolated from their normal school environments for the last 5 months, kids with their own risk factors, even moreso. FREEOPP has been using these numbers to support inane calls to open schools and eliminate this shield. Those numbers don't mean a damn thing for Sam and his family, especially when you factor in riskier things, like travel.
  • 10 8
 @mi-bike: Data presented without context is useless. Send kids to school in the US, and see how much worse things get in every category.
  • 23 3
 Well my wife and I just had the virus and we're both over 50. 10 days or so feeling a bit shite thats all. Our 7 year old hasn't even been ill. That's how it affects the vast majority of people. That said if I was Sam Hill I'd also just stay home t
  • 20 60
flag holmesslice (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:03) (Below Threshold)
 @pistol2ne: the only riding picture on your profile is of someone dead sailor over a one foot tall jump in a field. Your favorite trail is chupa. I don’t think your opinion counts for that much.
  • 6 7
 @SlodownU: The data is too recent to be thoroughly reviewed but imo it should not be ignored as many folks are not making full recoveries. Other similar viruses have caused long term damage. Mortality rates could go way up as a result and I'm not sure it matters if it kills you now or a few years from now, you're still dead, your life is still being cut way short and in the meantime you're disabled.
  • 36 56
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:12) (Below Threshold)
 @holmesslice: you know you've won when you resort to personal attacks. Nice dude.
  • 10 9
 @headshot: The majority are feeling like shit for a couple of days/weeks but some young people (that do triathlons, not some obese people like @pistol2ne think) did die or mostly die because of it! Anyway here in Canada... Plus you'll probably have some long term side effect too... I wouldn't say ''it's not that bad, I'll only feel like shit for 10 days so I don't care and I'll take the risk!'' loll

Nukeproof probably don't want to spend a lot of money for nothing either...pretty sure it was also their decision. Razz
  • 28 80
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:17) (Below Threshold)
 @scvkurt03: grocery store is worse than flying on a half empty plane with masks and more oa/hepa filtration but thanks for the cheap flights!

So we should expect a bunch of kids to die soon with some schools reopening right? I don't want it, but your (and everyone's) fear has caused lots of ramifications.
None imo gnarlier than suicide tendencies. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm&ved=2ahUKEwiChZzrhaXrAhXNqZ4KHczhB4cQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0FlKWxNmMIcmBs2ttLpKTA
  • 11 51
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:19) (Below Threshold)
 @Darknut: welcome to the internet!
  • 30 83
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:23) (Below Threshold)
 @pistol2ne: You are correct. You're being downvoted by a bunch Karen's that are terrible at math. I guess many like being lied to.
  • 7 39
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:24) (Below Threshold)
 @mi-bike: No. Might want to check the data again.
  • 36 10
 @pistol2ne: My god. I lived in the US for 2 years, during that time I make 4 good friends, early 30s, bikers and in extremely good shape and health. One of them is battling for his life due to covid, and the other 2 where hooked up to a respirator for almost 2 month with some side effect that will last quite a while.
  • 12 108
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:26) (Below Threshold)
 @davec113: No, the rest of the world just wants money from the US. They also are envious of our freedoms.
  • 6 0
 @sbrdude1: I didn't check the data. Did you?
  • 6 47
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27) (Below Threshold)
 @eastonsmith: wiki is not a reliable source. Try using it in a college level course and observe a failing grade.
  • 28 64
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:33) (Below Threshold)
 @mi-bike: Every day. I'm baffled as to why so many are in fear of something that is not very deadly and has such a high asymptomatic spread. In my country the cdc has been caught lying about numbers and not performing post mortem examinations to determine COD. Real virus, manufactured reaction.
  • 23 40
flag itsonlyaname616 (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:36) (Below Threshold)
 @pistol2ne: unfortunately you're correct. Politicians don't care who lives, and who does. The media helping to push their agenda and ruin the economy. That's why they're campaigning this future majority crap. But I digress. I wish politics could be absent from mountain biking. But it's everywhere we turn
  • 57 3
 @pistol2ne: First, neither are proven to be particularly dangerous. If you're a grocery store worker, it's exponentially more dangerous, given time under exposure. For a shopper, you're in and out under 30-45 minutes. Also, not a ton of data to suggest planes are dangerous. I flew for a riding trip last month and didn't get sick. Doesn't mean it's a great idea to cart yourself all over the globe for bike races. My "fear" isn't fear at all, it's respect.

Second, you keep breaking the issue down to its simplest terms. Yes, some kids will die. What's the threshold for an acceptable number to you? As many as influenza kills? What about their parents? Grandparents they live with? Other at-risk groups? Your whataboutism with the flu or suicide or whatever ignores that fact that this is a separate problem and whoever dies or gets sick in the long term is in addition to whatever you want to "whatabout" about.
  • 12 28
flag headshot (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:40) (Below Threshold)
 @Timo82: good luck trying to avoid a virus that 60% or more of the population are likely to get and isn't going to go away anytime soon.
  • 3 4
 @that’s completely wrong and ridiculous
  • 36 2
 @headshot: in Western Australia 0% of the population gets this virus. That no doubt plays a role in Sam's decision.
  • 53 9
 @sbrdude1: Sure...keep telling yourself that. The US is looking like a failed state with the response to the Covid pandemic.
  • 62 4
 @pistol2ne: I'm a doc. Been taking care of a 25 yo male with heart failure from covid myocarditis. No joke bro
  • 34 3
 @sbrdude1: welder from Bakersfield gives someone with a graduate degree research advice. Lol
  • 4 43
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:53) (Below Threshold)
 @holmesslice: The internet is a great tool for objective people willing to learn new things. You should try it some time.
  • 31 1
 @holmesslice: The Information Age has also brought the rise of the Disinformation Age. People tend not to think critically about where they get their "data".
  • 2 27
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 8:55) (Below Threshold)
 @skiffer: No, death toll vs testing numbers.
  • 36 0
 @sbrdude1: Google isn't a substitute for a doctorate.
  • 21 23
 @scvkurt03: this is ridiculous. You don't need a PhD for critical thinking, to absorb information, or to form your own opinion. Dissing someone because they don't have a doctorate is just plain dumb.
  • 56 2
 @mi-bike: Sorry to hurt your feelings dude. That you think that's a diss is a huge problem. I don't have a doctorate either, and even if I did it doesn't mean I have the perspective to interpret data. It's *incredibly* difficult to fully make sense of all the information surrounding Covid. People devote their entire education, their entire career, and governments spend billions of dollars to understand raw data, and it's always a work in progress. Anyone can manipulate snippets of data to fit literally any narrative and there's way more of that going on, masquerading as objective data (see FREOPP) than there is available time for the average Joe to really understand context for this data. All we have to rely on are best practices and the prevailing scientific opinion at the time. The only thing that dislodges good science is better science, not f*cking Google searches.
  • 6 1
 @sbrdude1: Good thing for the internet and college level courses. How else would society pass down knowledge to the next generation. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
  • 33 0
 I am comfortable in the knowledge my whole family have had it and my friends and some work colleagues. None of us have had any issues with it.
I know one person who has.
He is in his 30’s, fit, healthy, etc. Got it late March. He is still REALLY ill and can barely walk.
There may be demographics and statistics but it is what it is. A game of Russian roulette.
If Sam Hill thinks he is at risk then he is quite right to think so and kudos to him for stepping up above the limited time frame of professional racing and saying a firm no.
  • 13 1
 @pistol2ne @sbrdude1 you two should get a room (not that there’s anything wrong with that)
  • 5 0
 @scvkurt03: thank you!
  • 6 1
 @mi-bike: you took that as a diss? HAHAHAHA
  • 7 8
 @pistol2ne: do you support Trump too??
  • 15 8
 @pistol2ne: dude, you're ignorance is making you look silly. You should just stop.
  • 11 7
 @sdiz: I kind of want him to keep going. People like pistol2ne don’t know when to stop and they keep digging until there’s no way out of the hole. Sort of fascinating to watch the downward spiral of doubling down and insecurity.
  • 13 6
 @pistol2ne @sbrdude1 hey guys I was just foolin around before. I totally empathize with your stance. Tell us some more stats on Covid and how it’s not an issue and how we’re a bunch of pussies. I support free speech so I’m interested in what you guys have to say Smile
  • 7 4
 I'm sitting out this season at the risk of herpes, screw the virus.
  • 5 7
 @scvkurt03: It is when many post verifiably incorrect information.
  • 13 10
 @pistol2ne: Spotted the cynical science denier. Let me guess, climate change isn't real either?
  • 8 5
 @sbrdude1: but YOU post verifiably incorrect information.
  • 12 36
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 10:14) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: My city is an example of how much of this is either overblown or just fraudulent. the mask thing is a rather interesting aspect to observe. If they were so important they type and method of use would be highly regulated, as we can se it is not. Balaclavas, check valve masks, bandanas, and copious amounts of facial hair would be addressed. Also the incorrect counting of COD and methods for determining infected or virus free are massively inaccurate.
  • 2 25
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 10:15) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: No. That would be your opinion. Have fun with that.
  • 3 22
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 10:16) (Below Threshold)
 @Yurvois: Great way to draw assumptions. You know what is said about assumptions..............
  • 16 5
 @sbrdude1: it’s not an opinion. You post incorrect information.
  • 3 19
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 10:18) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: Sources? You don't live where I do and all you have done is state your opinion.
  • 20 7
 @sbrdude1: but I’m totally with you. This is all hoax that was masterminded in the basement of a ghetto ass pizza parlor by George Soros and the MSM. Oh and Hilarys emails!!!!
  • 5 6
 @sbrdude1: tell us what you think about the Holocaust
  • 7 4
 @cuban-b: It was terrible and some of my family died in it.
  • 5 5
 @sbrdude1: it’s not an opinion. You post incorrect information. Sources? You first
  • 3 10
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 10:21) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: That is you coming to your own conclusions.
  • 4 6
 @cuban-b: You said I was incorrect so post why and I'll be happy to point out where you are incorrect. You made the challenge.
  • 13 5
 @sbrdude1: but her emails!!
  • 4 17
flag sbrdude1 (Aug 18, 2020 at 10:23) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: I don't know what you're referring to. Are you ok?
  • 7 5
 @sbrdude1: you want me to post why I think you’re incorrect? The reason why I think you’re incorrect is because you are incorrect.
  • 15 0
 @cuban-b: what happened to waki? Nobody's taking this far enough.
  • 6 4
 @BenPea: I do miss me some Waki
  • 7 2
 @sbrdude1: I'm not sure you understand the difference between fact and opinion.
  • 6 31
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 11:06) (Below Threshold)
 @scvkurt03: You literally ask what about and then call me out for whataboutisms.

What's my threshold of acceptable kids? That's the most loaded question. If I say 1 I lose so I'm not answering. I'll say this, I'm not staying inside until every disease is cured.

And your bullshit about it being a "separate" problem is blatantly false. Do you think that the rise in suicide (starvation around the world, mental health decay, etc) rates and tendencies have no relation to covid lockdowns? Lol, I've got a bridge to sell ya!
  • 7 33
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 11:07) (Below Threshold)
 @msmtime: Don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was a joke. Thanks for being on the front lines tho.

The relative risk isn't what all these internet warriors that haven't left their house in 5 months think it is, for me (and Sam) at least.

And you ass clowns saying that I'm a trump supporter sorry I called out your god Cuomo for killing more people per capita than Italy.

If you're not inside, wearing a mask then you're most definitely out at bar coughing in each others faces.
  • 4 5
 @pistol2ne: so you're answer is "greater than 1"? and what the heck does this mean: "i'm not staying until nobody dies"???
  • 5 3
 @pistol2ne: you just resorted to personal insults, contradicting what you previously wrote about personal insults. therefore we cant take you seriously.
  • 5 7
 @cuban-b: "I'm not staying inside until every disease is cured."
  • 10 17
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 11:20) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: What personal attacks? That people that are terrified of the disease haven't left their house and their mental health has deterorated? That's proven by the CDC. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm

Everyone that posts int he pinkbike comments is an internet keyboard warrior. Sorry you're triggered bro, it will all be fine November 4th.
  • 11 6
 @pistol2ne: you literally just posted "you ass clowns" to all of us. LOL. i'm not triggered - just calling you out for your own bullshit. if anyone is triggered, it's obviously you dude. when did you trump supporters become such pussies?
  • 6 5
 @pistol2ne: quoted for truth: "you know you've won when you resort to personal attacks." - pistol2ne
  • 6 6
 @pistol2ne: "Everyone that posts int he pinkbike comments is an internet keyboard warrior" and you arent part of this group called 'everyone'? you're an idiot
  • 3 4
 @davec113: Recent data + not peer reviewed = not scientifically valid. Which other similar viruses have caused similar long-term damage? The data is too recent, not peer reviewed, but similar viruses do the same thing, which is it? Please stick to bike commentary.
  • 17 3
 @pistol2ne: You can't be serious. Asking questions about imminent happenings directly involved with the current crisis isn't even close to the same thing as talking about flu deaths or suicide deaths. Get a grip.

It's not a question meant for me to catch you in a "gotcha" moment. It's a question with NO good answer, which is why many school districts are out right now. You don't just ignore the question and throw caution to the wind...

The very premise of your last question is idiotic. Of course suicide rates are up due to this situation. Of all of the shit going on, you want to blame it on the lockdowns - a single component of the situation. You get fed "lockdown, bad. freedom, good." and you stop there. The reality is that you have no idea what you're talking about... every time there's a global or regional health crisis, suicide rates rise in effected populations. Fear, distress, anxiety, isolation... it's f*cked up. Does it make sense to remove the most effective tool we have to prevent spread of a deadly disease (social isolation) in order to prevent a much smaller problem caused only in part by that method? I don't know how many suicides can be attributed directly to the pandemic (not just lockdowns), but I'd guess it's nowhere near the mitigated impact of 170,000.
  • 4 13
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 11:29) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: You're right, I did. But feel free to remove the part where I said people calling me a trump supporter and turn it into all of Pinkbike, because that's fair.
  • 9 4
 @pistol2ne: save the digging for the woods, mate
  • 28 6
 @pistol2ne: this mentality is the reason why we/Americans can no longer travel to just about any other country and our covid cases grow every day. Pull your head out.
Ps
wash your hands and wear a damn mask
  • 3 10
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 11:34) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: Well, since it's the end of the world, I'm sure all the grave digging is done so I'll be off now.
  • 6 1
 Very well said dude...2and waves are hitting countries all over the place....good on him.
  • 9 4
 @pistol2ne: nobody is saying it's the end of the world. everyone is literally trying their best to make the best out of the situation and help people in need. nobody *wants* the virus to exist.
  • 6 22
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 11:39) (Below Threshold)
 @scvkurt03: The reason people are killing themselves : Job loss, mental health deterioration (anxiety distress fear etc) are almost all related to knockdowns.

"Does it make sense to remove the most effective tool we have to prevent spread of a deadly disease (social isolation)"

Socially isolate forever then it would appear is your solution? Almost like some deaths are inevitable due to westernized culture and that the solution is likely somewhere in the middle.

Of course we'll go round and round on this shit where you either need to be inside your home (coffin is best) wearing a mask, or outside in a crowded bar coughing in others faces

I'm going for a ride.
  • 7 0
 @pistol2ne: i 100% support your decision to go to a crowded bar. the ones that serve food are open!
  • 23 4
 @pistol2ne: Those are the lockdown-related reasons, but you're leaving out actual disease-related reasons. Fear of illness, fear of pain, trauma from watching people die (health care professionals), isolation from loved ones (while someone's sick)... These aren't modern problems, or lockdown problems...they've existed in other pandemics, given a range of public health responses. You're oversimplifying to fit a stupid narrative.

Forever? No - I never said that. That's called a straw man, and people resort to that when they don't have a salient point on a particular topic. Hm. For every single lockdown in this country, there's a measuring stick we have to hit to get out of it. People en masse rightfully will not accept indefinite lockdowns. Not in March, and certainly not in August.

Good call shutting it down. Your arguments and tactics keep getting worse.
  • 35 4
 I swear you could put an American in an empty room and he'd fall out with his own opinion. Xxx
  • 3 2
 @ilovedust: @ilovedus t: So you're one of a few people to make very specific statement that you have indeed had it. So I will assume you were tested for it and then quarantined for how long? And the members of your family had it, were tested mulitple times to confirm they had it and then were released from care after confirmation of a negative test?
Did you donate blood for antibody studies?

Would really like to know more information about your friend who has it. Read this as me trying to understand what is happening to certain people. Read it as me believing your story, not questioning it.

So your friend...what underlying health conditions was he dealing with that made him more susceptible to it. How did he contract it? Was he an active mask wearer? Were they able to back trace the pathogen path?

My biggest interest is finding out what it was about him that has put him in such dire straits compared to the rest of your family.

It's very difficult to trust these accounts because when I've asked these same questions of others, they literally disappear and never respond. Not saying you will. But if you can offer more, it would be appreciated.
  • 14 3
 @fatduke: Approximately 40% of us. The rest are much closer to normal, I swear! Wink
  • 5 16
flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 12:14) (Below Threshold)
 @davec113: Death to america comrade!
  • 13 6
 @pistol2ne: Elect Trump again and your wish may come true. Putin has kompromat. Golden showers of kompromat....
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 @phalley: @phalley: Measles is still highly contagious and still alive and well in the world. Even with a vaccine, it still does it's thing. A vaccine isn't "Marvel's Comics Adamantium Steel" is my point. One way or another, we will all be exposed to this virus.

We're talking about a virus that in less than 60 days was in every corner of an entire PLANET. And we're running around acting like it's just going to skip over the corner market or WalMart or the gas pump. Beer
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 @pistol2ne: ummm already 160,000 dead americans - we are contributing to this by ignoring the virus or calling it a hoax, so who's the one who wants americans to die?
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flag b45her (Aug 18, 2020 at 12:43) (Below Threshold)
 @mi-bike: not quite,to he is in the age group that the governments know are likely to be the hardest to scare with dodgy statistics and fear mongering, older folks are justifiably scared because of their generally poorer health and therefore higher risk of getting ill and the younger generation are scared of pretty much everything and will believe anything social media tells them to.

if you look into how the deaths are quantified in the UK and lots of other European countries you would be amazed.

for example.
A person tests positive for covid in march, shows no symptoms and is ill in no way. 4 months later they get hit by a truck and die. in England that is officially labeled a covid death. its a little different in Scotland and wales as it has to a death within 4 weeks of a positive test i believe.
also public health wales have started looking into the registered covid deaths in wales and as of around 3 weeks ago in around 45% of them even though the person had tested positive it had nothing at all to do with the cause of death, and the graph tracking it shows the curves diverging as more cases are looked into.

If more people had a grasp of basic maths the entire western economy wouldnt be on the verge of collapse..
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 @b45her: And some local governments do not report data at all. These outliers are accounted for in public health department responses. Also used by all sides to their own political ends. Zoom out a bit - you're being played.
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 @b45her: The question that hasn't been answered is: how many deaths are ok if it means that nobody has to make any changes to the normal course of their day? The US is going to hit 250,000 *before* winter. Having done it's absolute best (in the current circumstances, with the actual mob now running the place) to deal with Covid.
A million? Two? Name your price.
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flag in2falling (Aug 18, 2020 at 13:01) (Below Threshold)
 There is a critical hormone in your body that is produced by that big giant fireball in the sky. The
virus is mostly affecting the obese, dark-skin minorities and elderly whom all are deficient in this. Reason why deaths drop in the summer and reason why countries like Japan, South Korea and Norway (not deficient) only have 1k deaths.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100307215534.htm
"Scientists have found that vitamin D is crucial to activating our immune defenses and that without sufficient intake of the vitamin - the killer cells of the immune system -- T cells -- will not be able to react to and fight off serious infections in the body. The research team found that T cells first search for vitamin D in order to activate and if they cannot find enough of it will not complete the activation process."
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 @in2falling: Hi, I've got some hydroxychloroquine I'd like to sell you.
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flag blowmyfuse (Aug 18, 2020 at 13:16) (Below Threshold)
 @in2falling: Careful. They're about to downvote you for ignoring something that allows them to not hurt the feelings of people in poor health due to their own choices so they can act like social justice warriors for the infirmed they don't know.

@b45her the same has happened all across the US as well. Politicians have set up a welfare state for hospitals and medical facilities to report any death as "Covid related" to qualify for special funding. 3 of the first 4 cases in a senior center here that had a big outbreak were all people on end of life watch and had stopped eating and had Do Not Recessitate order in place. That trend has continued across our country and those who want to report scientific data to allow proper context are being shouted down.

Morgues and medical examiners are being shamed and ridiculed for trying to make sure cause of death is accurate because that affects how we move forward in a scientific manner, but politics and money are badly muddying the waters everywhere.
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flag cuban-b (Aug 18, 2020 at 13:21) (Below Threshold)
 @BenPea: trump says it works. so it must be true.
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 @blowmyfuse: It's a Zionist conspiracy to destroy capitalism and the right to shoot your fellow citizens. Go on. Say it.
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 @blowmyfuse: wait, is it socialism or Zionism? What day is it today?
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 @BenPea: vast conspiracy. the whole world is in on it. we all had a meeting and agreed to trick the three dumbest pinkbike commenters of all time. but you guys caught us. good job scooby doo.
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 @BenPea: it's tuesday. so Communism tuesday. get ready for MArxist Wednesday tho
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 @blowmyfuse: you guys have a real Jonestown vibe going.
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 @cuban-b: Friday is "miscellaneous conspiracies" day, featuring democratic paedo rings, shape shifting lizards and 5G is satan. Friday's the best.
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 @pistol2ne: I absolutely love this take - COVID-19 as a political ploy to take down Trump. I would like to personally thank the Italian government for killing off 35,000 of its people so we can vote out our own corrupt politicians!
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 @scvkurt03: an entire country openly falsifying death certs is not an outlier.
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 @blowmyfuse: dec-jan. we were all ill with specific symptoms. Really virulent in my village to point everyone was having a chuckle about how ill everyone was. My boy had a cough that went on and on and on.
This was all too early for testing in fact it was barely a thing at the time. Certainly no one is collecting any antibodies here now post event.
We all have annual flu jabs against known flu strains so its not them.
Defo were not wearing masks back then. And dont now unless im in a shop or rare occasions to be fair.
My mate - no idea. Sometimes the toast just lands jam side down.
What more do you need? Its a shit show but life goes on and we still have to be diligent. Just gave my mum a lift. Wore a mask. Better safe than sorry eh!
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 @graham2017: Lol who tf said that? I said everything will be better after the election. That's a general statement as people's heads are currently exploding. Take @cuban-b for instance.

Wanna bet if Biden gets elected if the death count meter on CNN's 24 hr news cycle magically goes away?
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flag farmingdalehc (Aug 18, 2020 at 15:19) (Below Threshold)
 @davec113: your proly the same kinda yuppy liberal scum that's pouring into Tahoe from the bay area. preaching the virus is gonna kill your whole families elders but still traveling where ever you wanna( just in Colorado). The virus is a joke, especially if your under sixty
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 Not sure if you've been wearing your gloves on your ears and you mask over your eyes on this one mate, its a lie. You'll understand when your parents can't buy you a new bike for Christmas and they can't pay the mortgage!
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 @farmingdalehc: people who say things like "liberal scum" are insecure and jealous
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 @farmingdalehc: you're dumb - you dont think the pandemic is real, but you dont want tourists in your area because of the virus? and you just said the virus was a joke. so if its all a joke, then people shouldnt have to shelter in place right? so then they can go where ever they want, by that logic. and tourists are the only thing keeping Tahoe City alive. arent you part of the group who wants to open businesses back up?

it's like you're arguing with yourself LOL.
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 @ilovedust: wait, so you "had it" but it wasn't a flu strain b/c you had a flu shot which isn't all that effective (flu shot is only 30-40% effective) but you never got tested and you've not had an antibody test either? But you are wearing a mask around your mom? Why if you've had it?
So has youe friend been tested & confirmed to have Sars Co-V2 ?
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 @cuban-b: soquel huh? Probly not too many brain cells left in that nogin'. I travel but I don't care. But the people who say we should stay home like gavey newsome but travel to montana on family vacations (AP news) piss me off. And definitely not jealous of your handful of good trails covered in bumm pooo
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 @pistol2ne: we're just utterly amazed at your ignorance and stupidity. keep digging though. this is really fun.
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 @chuchuna85: Sadly this is the best response up here in regard to pistol2ne’s hate filled ignorance. That you need to provide some sobering testimony to a virus that has killed almost 200,000 of pistol’s and my countrymen with no end is sight is indicative to the total lack of humanity on the part of many of my fellow citizens. I applaud San Hill’s wisdom and restraint in making his choice.
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 @BenPea: that kind of emotional grandstanding is irrelevant. the simple fact is that only a very small percentage of claimed covid deaths are genuine and those that are are nearly all in very old, very ill or very fat people.
numbers mean nothing unless you understand how they are derived.
dieing OF something is not the same as dieing WITH something.

another example of the level of retarded we are dealing with is if a person has an antibody test that says they have HAD it but are fine now it is regarded as a new case to push up the figures.

Oh and while your talking deaths how about the estimated 35,000 people in the UK that are going to die from treatable cancers this year because screenings and testing was stopped.

hospitals are like ghost towns, field hospitals costing millions were empty, even at peak only around 60% of ICU beds were used.

basicly the entire UK response was massively heavy handed, we used a sledgehammer to kill an ant. the politicians know this they are just too arrogant to admit they have f*cked up so are desperate to keep the population scared so when the real cost of this shamdemic rears its head over the next few years they will have some totally fraudulent numbers to defend their actions with.
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flag farmingdalehc (Aug 18, 2020 at 15:55) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: no joke
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flag farmingdalehc (Aug 18, 2020 at 16:00) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: or I can meet ya at the top of donut ???? at your convenience
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 @farmingdalehc: oh relax we're just f*cking around here. besides, being a liberal scum, i tend to visit places with less trash and more luxury
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 @cuban-b: word next time yer on the west shore pleasuring Zuckerberg I hope you enjoy your lakeview
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 @farmingdalehc: i hear he like it when you give him the reach around Wink . oh dude, Donut is legit!
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flag Yaan (Aug 18, 2020 at 16:29) (Below Threshold)
 Can’t wait for the uninformed world leaders of ignorance to chime in. Make America infected again
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flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 16:48) (Below Threshold)
 @Yaan: Always nice when the hat chimes in.
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 @phalley:
You are assuming most people will opt in to get it. I’m not so optimistic. Blow my fuse is correct though, the virus isn’t going anywhere.
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 Best comment yet. For as much as those two idiots have been down voted it’s got to be a new record... @cuban-b:
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flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 18:52) (Below Threshold)
 @downhillslayer: enjoy the fear circle jerk
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 @b45her: It is when a similar proportion are being underreported.
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 It’s basically if he travels from here he has to pay for a hotel for two weeks each time he lcomes back so that’s over a month/ Two months in a hotel with no family contact . Joys of being Covid free over here but sucks if your a sportsman that’s travels so fair call
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 @sdiz: Actually you're the low IQ brainwashed one.
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 @cuban-b: You're triggered and need your diaper changed.
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 @farmingdalehc: Your statement is nonsensical but that's par for the course these days. The USA has been taken over by malignant corruption and it's all supported by the stupids. I may be liberal scum but you're voting for Trump because you think you're going to get raptured up into heaven. Evangelical Trump supporters are so stupid it's incredible. You're so stupid you can't understand you're stupid. The stupidity is mind-boggling and incomprehensible to normal people. The monkey has been given the machine gun and hundreds of thousands are dying. WTF is going on here?!
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flag cuban-b (Aug 18, 2020 at 22:08) (Below Threshold)
 @davec113: whoa man - savage. this is where i draw the line. there is some benefit to having the stupids around. somebody needs to open up the store and start up the fryer.
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 @markar: you know what, maybe you're right. i should probably consider your feelings.

HAHAHA WHO AM I KIDDING?!?!?!
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flag pistol2ne (Aug 18, 2020 at 22:22) (Below Threshold)
 @davec113: hundreds of thousands implies more than 200k. Are you learning that 2+2=5 shit in Boulder? Wouldn't surprise me.
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 @pistol2ne: he just called you stupid like ten times and you're focusing on the 'hundreds of thousands' thing? you're stupid LOL. you cant make this stuff up.
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 @blowmyfuse: No idea how it works where you live but you only get testing here if you have symptoms and that only came in in April. Lots of folks probably dont get tested as a stat I saw yesterday said 5 confirmed new cases in my region in the last 2 weeks. And yes, it could be anything but I apply a simplistic mantra to most things including this. “If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck”.
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 Also, it is disingenuous when people say things like: The flu, cars, heart disease, etc...kills more people. These are ADDITIVE. Eliminating any risk increases your chances of longevity.
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 @salespunk:
Thank you for an insightful comment regarding the possible impact of Covid-19 in an MTB/athlete context!
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 @scvkurt03: @pistol2ne is just another Russian troll on Pinkbike or maybe an ignorant american that’s annoyed about what’s going to happen in November.
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flag pistol2ne (Aug 19, 2020 at 7:17) (Below Threshold)
 @allredbikes: how deranged does one need to be to believe this shit. Lol good God.
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 @farmingdalehc: a little personal bro!? looks like you skinned your knee with that comment
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 @pistol2ne: is that what Q told you? since all you idiots don’t like facts and huddle around breitbart all day. Take a break bro, go ride your bike... But again you’re in a basement in Russia so you probably can’t. Sad.
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 @pistol2ne: sorry but your bugaboo buddy keeps killing everyone. How’s the fall weather in Moscow?
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 @allredbikes: Definitely the latter. The Russian thing is real, but I don’t think Pinkbike is a good use of their time.
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flag pistol2ne (Aug 19, 2020 at 7:50) (Below Threshold)
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 @pistol2ne: you’re not only a racist, but a proud racist. Go on, keep digging. Smile
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 @sbrdude1: We really, really are not
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flag pistol2ne (Aug 19, 2020 at 8:14) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: if you're not pro looting you're racists, yes comrad, death to America!
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 @pistol2ne: you keep repeating yourself
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 @pistol2ne: I really feel sorry for you. I know it’s tough not being on top of the food chain anymore, now that all the smart people are running things and are your boss. Unfortunately that’s how the world works now, and the fact of the matter is, we’re better than you, smarter than you, and will always make more money than you. It’s a tough pill to swallow, but I believe in you and one day maybe you’ll be able to get to where we are in life. Happy trails my friend. I really mean that.
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flag pistol2ne (Aug 19, 2020 at 8:27) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: what did I say that was racist? Looting? Must be nice to be in your ivory tower where that shit doesn't happen.
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 @cuban-b: trolling aside, I do hope you are staying safe with these fires.
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 @pistol2ne: you’re missing the point. Young people are the highest rate of transmission. This isn’t about ourselves, it’s about protecting the less fortunate, less healthy and older folks around us. Not everything in this world is about yourself.
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flag pistol2ne (Aug 19, 2020 at 9:28) (Below Threshold)
 @parisgore: WTF did you see me write that makes you think I don't think protecting the older, physiologically covid disadvantaged, and less healthy PEOPLE (gtfo with that woke folks trash) is a good idea?

Me calling out Cuomo for forcing sick grandmas back to a nursing home? Yeah, I didn't think that's a very good idea. Even on March 25th when he signed it anybody with a brain could have told you it was much worse for elderly.

There seems to be some bs theory that closing the economy isn't as bad or worse than the pandemic itself. It's clear to me that you see little to no ramifications based on your comment of "not everything is about me". I'm wearing a mask. I'm testing myself before seeing elderly in my family. I'm also not so obtuse to think everyone is as privileged as me to sit inside and live off their computer job. The ladder ironically seems to be coming from coastal elites living in their 2nd home in the mountains. Basically this i.imgflip.com/416ok9.jpg
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 @pistol2ne: get back to work. the fries arent gonna cook themselves.
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 @pistol2ne: great picture
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 @pistol2ne: @parisgore I would not spend time trying to convince the groups or people who don't understand, on either side. The real story is behind the scenes, no matter what your beliefs are of Covid, it has exposed the underlying problem with our world which is the out of control global financial system.

The global economy is basically a 90 year old man with a walker who just had his walker kicked out from underneath him, and someone stole his shoes too. What I mean is this man will not make it home, it is just a matter of when and where he drops. The top 4 US banks are exposed to about 8 Trillion in derivatives, much of which is in CLO's.

Many of you saw the movie The Big Short, that global crisis involved CDO's which were mortgage based. These newer CLO's are the same idea, but with commercial loans and the exposure is multiple times worse than back in 2008. Many these commercial loans are about to explode into bankruptcy from the pandemic business closures, making 2008 look like a cakewalk.

We are about to witness the largest theft of money in history, as the top layer of money holders walk away wealthier than ever, while to average people sit by the curb wondering why they are suddenly homeless and broke.
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 Our of interest, is sociology a mandatory part of the curriculum in the US?
It wasn't for me when I was at school in the UK, but I think it is now.
I'm looking into it now because I went back to study and it became mandatory..and I feel like some of the hard-line attitudes I read on here only exist because they missed out on some valuable sociology lessons that help explain why people are in the circumstances they are in.
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flag pistol2ne (Aug 19, 2020 at 11:48) (Below Threshold)
 @nordland071285: In high school probably not, uni yes. California just instituted ethnic study requirements for UC school systems.

Also uni academia, on the social science side of things is becoming deeply flawed. This book(presumably), and these people do a good job of explaining it. www.amazon.com/Cynical-Theories-Scholarship-Everything-Identity_and/dp/1634312023

I'm sure the internet warriors (folks) will hate me for posting this.
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 @nordland071285: I probably haven't gotten to it yet, but I haven't even got to GCSEs yet
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 @Bomadics: not a barrel of laughs really when you put it like that. And how do people react, attack the weak and ignore the mafia/reckless vanity projects that could easily make it all better. Maybe it's the fear of having 5 or 10 or 50bn in the bank, rather than 10, 20 or 100. I mean everyone has a rainy day no? Or is it the cost they will have to incur to keep their genes in inhabitable parts of the globe, protected by adequate security provisions. This is what this shit boils down to. The wealthy know you can't turn the climate ship away from the iceberg, or they're at least hedging their bets in a big way.
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 @pistol2ne: All that book proves is that white people in academia don't know how to do social justice by themselves. It's super interesting, to be sure, but the conclusion is hardly revelatory - structures that are nearly all-white, even liberal ones, have long been damaging American society. I'm absolutely positive you don't support fixing this the way it needs to be fixed, and are just using it to discredit academic efforts in social issues on the whole.

You're paper thin, dude.
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 @davec113: I do. Might want to check yourself.
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 @scvkurt03:

"structures that are nearly all-white, even liberal ones, have long been damaging American society." Like stem that gave us modern medicine, math that put us on the moon, physics and engineering that will save us from impending climate doom? Better tear that shit down.

"I'm absolutely positive you don't support fixing this the way it needs to be fixed, and are just using it to discredit academic efforts in social issues on the whole." nope, not discrediting it completely, just calling a spade a spade and flaws need to be called out. Your woke rhetoric sounds a lot like you belong in Portland after 10pm.

preview.redd.it/3ect5wjmhf641.jpg?auto=webp&s=bc71e755f98cb77b585e72558abe01c996fb093f
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 @pistol2ne: intellectualising this type of "why can't minorities just shut the f*ck up" type of shit is essentially like money laundering for unsavoury personal politics. People have written down some fairly ridiculous things in history in the name of giving themselves an undeservedly clean conscience. How many pages did Brevik write?
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flag pistol2ne (Aug 19, 2020 at 13:16) (Below Threshold)
 @BenPea: Ahh, the ole alt right racist card is akin to poking holes in the woke postmodernism (somewhat) rhetoric card. Classic.

California struck "The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group, on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting" out of the constitution 3 days ago.

Ya know the problem with your thinking? It immediately falls apart when you type or say it out loud.
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 @pistol2ne: we've already established that you are a second class citizen. you're worthless and you know it. go fetch us some coffee. Big Grin
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 @pistol2ne: I can't see what else is driving the ideology on which f*cking wackjobs have ridden to obtain power. It's all about the "other", the enemy on your phone screen. That's it, that's all there effing is. Racism and "wearing it as a badge of honour", to the point that you can boldly claim it doesn't exist, and bigotry on every level and on every plane is the fuel that powers the fevered egos who know they just need your vote to become more untouchable and possibly keep out of jail. Hey, you may even get a few perks out of it, so why not tacitly go along with it.
BTW, had grown ups been in the room when the US first caught wind of covid, both deaths and economic damage would have been significantly reduced, same goes for the other countries that couldn't be bothered thinking about their response beyond "we'll take it on the chin".
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 @pistol2ne: thanks I'll try that book and see what it has to say
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 @pistol2ne: Show me where I said to “tear it down”. God, that’s annoying. I said “fix it”. And why does every 3rd comment you make bring in protest or riots completely out of context? You need new material.

You think Western medicine wouldn’t be better if data wasn’t mostly based on its effects on white men until relatively recently? Or psychology studies? Descriptions For diagnoses of depression were formed almost exclusively from white males, and still persist for women and BIPOC (a term I’m sure makes you shiver).

Oh, I forgot - it all works for you, so that means it works, period.
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 @scvkurt03: relatively recently? Seems like the problems are already correcting or "fixing" themselves. Western medicine is always evolving for the better. Presentism is what upsets me most in arguments. No decent human being will deny our countries past to women and minorities. You seem to be acting like the world is ending so we must overcorrect, which I disagree. I'm sure you believe I only have that opinion because of my unchecked privileges so it would appear we're at an impass since I'm so blinded.

And Bipoc doesn't upset me, you can come up with whatever new terminology you want for minorities or different ethnic groups.
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flag cuban-b (Aug 19, 2020 at 18:58) (Below Threshold)
 @scvkurt03: hey at least i predicted this. told you guys he wouldn't know when to stop, until there's no way out of the hole he's dug, so we are witnessing the racism double-down and insecurity ridden explanations. i run into these people in real life and they're a real drag to be around.

He's a trailer trash pussy who is now upset that he can't be openly racist without people calling him out on his bullshit. it used to be that trailer trash could do that without repercussions. but when the educated and rich came into town they became super jealous and start justifying their racism with other racist publications, and they know it. this is how trailer trash deal with rejection in life from jobs, women, friends, and his own family members - i mean, who else can put up with this retard? pussy Incels usually act this way so why should we be surprised. these people are worthless, and they know it, so they act this way.
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 @pistol2ne: I'm still waiting on my burger and fries. chop chop! tell you mother i said hello. she did a wonderful job last night.
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 @cuban-b: have you ever wondered why two people living in the same country turn out so differently? I.e you, the 'educated and rich guy' and him, the 'trailer trash guy'?
Its concerning that an 'educated' guy lacks empathy
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 You guys are all out of line, you won't fix hate with hate, and the more you tell anyone they are wrong or worthless the more they will rightfully defend themselves, regardless of which "side" you argue for or against. Right and wrong are only opinions, remember there are three sides to every story, yours, mine and then the truth.
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 @cuban-b: yikes on this post.
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 @nordland071285: yeah, cuz the other guy is the epitome of empathy... oh please. grow a pair
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 @pistol2ne: quit chatting and start cooking! otherwise "yer fired" lol
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 @nordland071285: for the record, i have much empathy for his situation. it must be tough to grow up thinking you're "privileged" and be able to hate anyone you want, be confident in that hate, and then have that taken away from you by people like me since that's the only real power he has over others. oh how the tables have turned Big Grin it's a great time to be alive to be perfectly honest.
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 @cuban-b: sorry it's my bad, I've misunderstood everyone's stance in this debate and very lost now!
I just meant that there's a reason why people behave how they do,and why they end up in particular circumstances - much of it is out of their control..so It's good to be understanding of each other.
And that's not aimed at you, its just general
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 @cuban-b: you called me a retard, trailer trash, made a mom joke, Qanon believer, a trump voter, Russian troll, racist, sexist(insinuated), poor, uneducated, fast food worker, pussy, incel, reject.

All of which are factually inaccurate.

Thanks, pal.
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 @pistol2ne: honestly I appreciate someone who can stick to their principles. Appreciate that you aren't waivering. Ive not been able to read through all of the posts they are coming in so fast and hard, but there is a theme.

Really disappointed at the level of abuse, degredation and disparagement that @parisgore, etc and @pinkbikeaudience are comfortable with in this thread.

I was taught from a young age to have healthy debate with my fellow man to help expand one another's thought process, to allow for reasonable discourse and an expansion of the mind via communication via debate.

This entire conversation has been the exact opposite and nothing but personal attacks.
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 @blowmyfuse: They just got suspended for 48 hours, so they are on it!
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 @blowmyfuse: It’s scary to see the groupthink going on related to the virus. Actual science had disproved a lot of what we originally thought about it. We still don’t know a lot. But that’s the great thing about science—it evolves. You’d think people would be more open minded about it and, at the very least, stop acting on months-old information. It’s not going away, a rushed-to-market vaccine is a dangerous money grab, and guess what—it’s much less lethal than was originally projected. In reasonably healthy populations the mortality rate is well below 0.5%.

Bring on the downvotes Sheeple!
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 I guess the truth hurts, hence the downvotes. Quote an infectious disease expert and thats what you get from the PB cognoscenti.
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 @pistol2ne: It’s scary to see how much the majority of people rely on big media to get their facts. As if any of the major news networks (including Fox) or papers were anything more than opinion and gossip papers anymore. Yikes. The heart damage theory is just a theory at this point. As if a couple months of research is telling us something so clearly, yet experts can’t even agree if it spreads through droplets in the air like they thought initially.

What’s scarier is how many self-proclaimed open-minded folks are actually the most close-minded and the quickest to dismiss alternative viewpoints. No wonder history repeats itself. We can’t learn.
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 @chuchuna85: it happens but you have to admit that the data indicates it’s relatively rare for young, healthy people to require hospitalization, let alone a respirator. Those are outliers for sure.
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 @headshot: It's not that the truth hurts, it's that you missed the point. Yes it's likely that most people will get it, but we are trying to avoid all getting it at once. That has been the point from the outset. If you can avoid moving around the globe, you should. If you can work from home, you should. If you can avoid shaking someones hand, you should.
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 @GeeHad: No I get that completely. You can also only lock down for so long before the economic consequences become worse than the virus, but that's another debate. For the record I contracted it despite wearing a mask in public, sterilizing food purchases and practising social distancing.
  • 3 0
 @sbrdude1: anyone who has travelled would know that the US is the least “free” country in the developed world.
  • 2 0
 Looks like @pistol2ne's account has been suspended for "trolling" and "casual racism" until Friday afternoon his time (San Francisco). I image we'll hear some more insightful contributions then.
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 @WayneParsons: its certainly not the 'least free'...
But i get your point
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 @nordland071285: We are all debt slaves, need proof? Stop paying your taxes and see what happens.
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 @Bomadics: i wasnt disagreeing, i was just saying that there are countries with less freedoms than the US. claiming its the 'least free' incorrectly, nullifies the point
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 @gnarlysipes: ..."It’s not going away, a rushed-to-market vaccine is a dangerous money grab, and guess what—it’s much less lethal than was originally projected. In reasonably healthy populations the mortality rate is well below 0.5%."

So the realistic folks out there understand what "healthy" is. We as a free world don't want to admit that the populations of the world really aren't all that healthy and much is self inflicted or environmentally inflicted. Wife is a Registered Dietitian for a hospital. Every single person she sees is at risk b/c of self induced chronic issues dealing with horrible diet and poor food education, tobacco & alcohol addictions & medications like beta blockers that allow the protein of the virus to thrive in the lungs.

Personal physical health issues that are self induced are not the responsibility of the greater population to protect you from your own bad decisions or excesses. But the societal norm is not shame or ostrecize or tell those people "you're on your own". Instead, they sit in a que being coddled by the humanitarian mindset when really they need to be "booted off the island" because their health plight is their own and everyone shouldn't have to suffer a life that buffers people of intentionally poor health.

It builds resentment and hostility among those who do the right things for their health. It's safe to say none of us really want to give a cancer survivor, little old lady or asthmatic the virus. But if you drowned yourself in the lavishness of a bad diet and have clogged arteries, sugar issues, COPD from smoking. liver issues from drinking, you just need to deal with what this virus is going to do to you and stop blaming the rest of the world for not protecting you from the punishments of your own excess.

Downvotes to ensue.
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 @blowmyfuse: this is why i think sociology should have been mandatory for everyone at school.
yes, a lot of physical health issues are self induced and caused by peoples poor decisions.... but what made them want to smoke/eat badly?
health professionals at the very least, should be aware of the numerous factors that influence unhealthy behaviours.
i should add that i also think a rushed vaccine is a bad idea, but not sure how much choice we have
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 @nordland071285: Virtually 100% of the people in her office don't need a dietitian, they need mental health counseling.

I'm horrible at being empathetic toward emotional eating disorders. It's very real though. Food is their drug to mask their issues.
  • 3 0
 @blowmyfuse: ok yeah, but some articles suggest eating foods that are bad for you are cheaper.. So preferred by low income families.
Or maybe someone working multiple jobs to make ends meet doesnt have time to prepare healthy meals for themselves, so they end up with pre-prepared meals that are really bad for you.

There are loads of examples of why factors out of people's control influence their health
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 @blowmyfuse: Sorry dude, you need some compassion. Same could be said for your mt biking habit... obviously I don't agree, but an argument just as valid as your argument against unhealthy people can be made for those who choose to engage in risky activities. What you don't seem to understand is the average person has very little ability to think rationally let alone have any real control over what they choose to do. Free will is not present without consciousness directing activity. If you expect certain behavior out of people you are sure to become bitter and disappointed, and this shows in your attitude right now. All you can do is accept them for who they are and be as kind as possible.
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 @davec113: That's the thing though. I don't HAVE to be kind to people for their shortcomings, weaknesses, addictions or chosen behaviors. When a guy in 2020 tells you that Mt. Dew has fruit juice in it so it counts as one of his fruits and vegetables, he's just being a jerk. My 4 year old knew from day 1 it wasn't and by 8, she knew how to find out that truth.

People actively seek out what they WANT to know in this world of unlimited information. To give humans the easy out that they don't have access to foods or they don't have the knowledge is a crutch. When I was a kid, I actively sought out knowledge in the only way I could, by planning to be in my mom's car and get dropped at the library in town 30 minutes away and hanging out there for the better half of a day to learn stuff on my own.

Every single drip of knowledge is at the fingertips of virtually every adult under the age of 60 in the US. It is a CHOICE, nothing forced, to eat good food or unhealthy food in almost every single case. There is the random outlier of some person with a mental learning disability but empathy demands that you can identify with someone's plight.

I DO NOT empathize with WILLFUL IGNORANCE. If it leads to belly bliss to be willfully ignorant, so be it. Be blissful in your tummy.

I'm not asking the world to run around and pad up ALL trees for me to ride. So if you want to eat yourself into heart disease, diabetes and/or smoke yourself into COPD or liver failure, DO IT! But I'm not in agreement with padding up all of America's faces so you can go chug chug your Monster Energy's & Marlboros on the daily folks. Beer
  • 2 0
 @blowmyfuse: I am afraid you need to learn more about the world and others, despite your lauded self education you have not learned the most basic lessons of being conscious, compassion and empathy.
  • 1 1
 @blowmyfuse: I'm not saying you should encourage or enable self-harm. I think you should help others when you can, and I think some are ready to be "slapped in the face" to wake them up. However, this is very rare, most folks are not interested in self-improvement and actually delude themselves so they don't have to change. Fewer still will respond to more wrathful forms of correction, and it takes great skill to make this work. Most of the time you just make things worse. I can tell you're intelligent, but you don't seem to realize that most people are ignorant about their ignorance and have no desire to do anything about it. These people need our compassion more than they need "tough love".
  • 2 0
 @Bomadics: Agreed, but compassion and empathy are actually more advanced points of view, not the most basic... unfortunately. We need to learn to cultivate and grow them in our lives, and help others do the same.
  • 2 0
 @davec113: they only seem advanced because our culture is so corrupted and backwards, most very young children are very empathetic, until it is trained out of them. I am of the opinion that learning these skills and then overflowing may be a better tactic than teaching them to others, but it would take time, generations even.
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 @Bomadics: even the most empathetic child knows will stare at another kid who is doing something senseless and not bail them out.

@davec113 I will not be empathetic toward those who are willfully ignorant. Instead I'm gonna hoof it to make sure my kids get the things they earn and let the freeloaders fall off.

Every culture and religion has a parable about a person being granted all the things they need but blindly not putting them to use and suffering the consequence of their intentional ignorance. The weight of their leeching off the work of the humble and hearty adults affords them no empathy. Pity may be the word...definitely not empathy. Fleas and ticks my friend
  • 2 0
 How are you all still bickering, by now if you were face to face you'd have either slotted each other, walked away, told each other to F off or hate f**ked each other.

Pack it in ya damn kids.
  • 2 0
 @blowmyfuse: there you go you have succinctly summed up the exact flaw in our society, me, me, me and screw the rest of you who are not as smart as me.
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 @Bomadics: Nope. By your logic, we should drown in the excesses of the gluttonous mob to "show them empathy". Not gonna happen.

You can play Holier than Thou all you want, but if there's a life raft and I can swim to it, pull my family up into it and a few others but I can't haul the 350lb Mountain Dew swilling, Fortnite king and his bag of Cheesey Poofs in it, I'm not doing it, especially if they might tip the boat just getting in. Beer

Bet you'd be the first to put a boot heel on their sausage fingers if you thought they were tipping it too. You're just not to the point of self preservation that the rest of us pragmatists are.

But when the boat is full, you're booting them and living to "empathize" another day the same as the rest.
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 @blowmyfuse: Empathy does not mean help you have to help every person you pass, or sacrifice yourself or your family to help another. Empathy means that when you are able, you at minimum try to see a situation from a viewpoint other than your own.

What you do with that information is up to you, but you never know the full story of others around you, even when you know them personally. Would I ignore my own or my families safety for others in an emergency, no never. How you yourself handle a situation like you describe above with over weight people, is of no concern to me, you have to deal with any ramifications of your actions I do not.

How you want to act as an intelligent consciousness inhabiting a human body is up to you, if you want to help others great, if not that is great too, each is a choice that affects others. You do what you want to do and build the world you want to live in, surround yourself with the energy that is similar to yours.

You don't know what I would do in a life or death situation, you may not know what you would do either, unless you have faced that type of thing before and know you would act the way you describe above.
  • 2 0
 i guess saying 'well, you chose to make yourself sick' is the only way you can justify making people pay for healthcare

acknowledging any other factors that might have caused that persons unhealthy behaviour would mean someone else is also partly to blame.. and who's paying their share?
  • 2 2
 @fatduke: VR online hate f*ck machine. It would solve a lot of issues and it has to be coming (pun really not intended). Talk is cheap and never changes minds. Maiden immersive homosexual internet voyages, on the other hand...

Also, @Bomadics just nailed everything.
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 @scvkurt03: In your case it is.
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 @scvkurt03: Actually it's doing fine. More testing and when you compare test numbers vs deaths we're fine. You should probably stop taking handouts from the US. Fix you terrible PM while you at it.
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flag blowmyfuse (Aug 24, 2020 at 5:49) (Below Threshold)
 @sbrdude1: that scvkurt fella...he's hanging out in a virtual bubble bath of "Woke" soap & SJW aromas. Just inhaling it all and singing his own virtue song. Beer
  • 2 1
 @sbrdude1: My last post in this thread was like 5 days ago. Not even sure what you're referencing. And my PM? You see the Betsy Ross special next to my name, right?

@blowmyfuse: I'm just describing painfully obvious stuff. A the rate things are changing, all the groms will know all about it in a few years, but don't worry - your kind of ignorance will persist.
  • 1 1
 @scvkurt03: Browser froze. Not meant for you. Was for one of our northern brethren.
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 This will be full of rational comments. Kumbaya.
  • 11 0
 So far so good, somehow.
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 At least if he were on a plane he'd be safe from chemtrails, which are scientific fact, unlike the illuminati covid lies. Sram make great brakes too.
  • 50 0
 @pbuser2299: I heard AXS uses 5G towers to work. Probably explains Covid. Blame SRAM.
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flag SlodownU (Aug 18, 2020 at 6:49) (Below Threshold)
 Here's a rational comment, this entire story is clever click-bait because Pinkbike really is having a slow day, and anything Sam Hill gets views. There is no EWS championship anyway, so this is kind of a non-story, isn't it?
  • 7 0
 @adrennan: better knit yourself a protective hat out of gear cables
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 @SlodownU: good thing you didn't click.
  • 6 2
 whether or not you think COVID is a legitimate danger to people, traveling this year anywhere isn't worth the headache.
  • 85 0
 Seems like a good year for everyone to finally get that nagging knee, shoulder, hip etc surgery that they have been putting off for fear of the recovery period. Good year to lay low and recharge.
  • 59 5
 Flat pedals make the curve settle
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 Yeah...viruses don't like the orthopaedic wing of the operating room. They much prefer the convalescent wing.
  • 5 1
 @jackalope: doctors trying to flatten the curve while Sam Hill trying to flatten the pedals
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flag wda1wustl (Aug 18, 2020 at 7:45) (Below Threshold)
 @blowmyfuse: Fear of the hospital or getting medical treatment at a trained facility is ignorant. Hospitals are full of highly trained medical professionals who understand how to use PPE, who manage this risk daily, and hospitals are cleaned continually 24 hours per day. Yes, it is possible to get a virus at a hospital, but In reality you are more likely to get it at an “essential business” like a liquor store, pot dispensary, or at one of your local riots, I mean peaceful protests.
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 @wda1wustl: the 2 people I know who have died from covid contracted it during hospital visits. Just like the people I've known who have died of the flu all contracted it during hospital visits (except one). Its very easy to get sick at a hospital, its almost as if the place has plenty of sick people in it.
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 @wda1wustl: I was being sarcastic. Viruses go where they can. They don't pick a wing of the hospital. Man...let me have fun. Beer
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 @blowmyfuse: I work in hospitals. I have seen it all. Good hospitals can keep viruses contained.

But those same viruses will spread if you are in public yelling in each others faces about Marxist ideals while burning other peoples property.

Have fun.
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 @wda1wustl:
"But those same viruses will spread if you are in public yelling in each others faces about Marxist ideals while burning other peoples property."

Now that's the kind of sarcasm I came here for. Exactly. The irony.

Got a buddy who is a caregiver at a senior facility who has had zero outbreaks. High end place, smart employee base, responsive employers. But at the same time, he has outright stated multiple times that the residents are dying, starving and malnourished, closed from congregating or any substantial sense of belonging community or family, isolated from love and thought. I think he used the word "hollow death".

My mom died 4 years ago in hospice care. I know 100% that she and my dad would have pulled her from hospice and suffered the misery of her dying at home if it meant having one another.

We control what we can within reason is my thought, understand that the virus is going to do devilish things, and just show respect for one another. The masks, the tensions, the riots, the looting....they've deprived us of an ability to see one another, to love those who come down with it, to care for them and to go out to visit family, friends, co-workers and breathe the fresh air that makes us compassionate.

I'm a bit morbid in that I always have thought...death will take who it will and we fool ourselves daily thinking we have that power to defeat death and play God for the masses. Slowing this thing down is vanity and yet self inflicted mutilation by a 1000 tiny cuts.

If I could play time machine bandit, I'd love to see what would have transpired without the fear mongering, the politics, travel bans, mask mandates and all. To be able to see this thing play out fast and hot like a forest fire would be a magical kind of hindsight.
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 One thing that's important to stress about Covid is that while your chances of dying may be fairly low if you're young and healthy, you can still unknowingly spread it to people who aren't so lucky. Wearing masks, social distancing, staying home etc. isn't just for your benefit, it's for everyone's.
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 Also, people simply focus on death to much. Even if someone doesn't die it doesn't mean its not a big deal of that they just go back to normal. There are many people who survive it but get very sick and have lasting (possibly permanent) lung damage. Which I would think would be the last thing someone who races bikes for a living would want. Sam Hill has won everything under the sun and has nothing left to prove in his career. He has absolutely no reason to take any risks at this point.
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 @sino428: and 1 in 3 experience neurological or psychological after-effects... All in all I’d rather not catch it. Fair play to Sam: title isn’t on the line so why role the dice?
  • 4 5
 Your completely right, its only been 230 days into 2020, lock the place down!
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 Getting out of Western Australia is neigh impossible. Getting back in is pricey too with a mandatory 2-week hotel quarantine requiring a $3000 pre-payment.
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 See...that's the kind of information that would be useful in an article like this. I can comprehend going broke trying to make it work.
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 It about the child!
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 Exactly. I have equipment for the WA department of health waiting to be installed and I can't even get a permit to enter, I've a friend who is a pilot who lives there and he has to quarantine every time he goes back.
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 I am just starting my 2 weeks now (on day 2!). You can do it at a house if you can prove living arrangements suite.
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 Fair play, can't fault his reasoning. Especially when you know he's probably itching to race again.

Although it's unsurprising Australia is being particularly strict with travel restrictions. Must be a nightmare for officials to know what's going on...

Had you been unwell at any point during your departure? Yeah nah

Were you unwell at any point during your stay? Nah yeah nah

Did you experience any symptoms within 14 days of your return? Yeah nah yeah nah yeah
  • 3 0
 accurate. on all questions with a Y/N question we just circle them both Ⓨ/Ⓝ, somehow the authorities work it out…
  • 3 1
 @danielfeary: Haha. 'Straya!

Of all the people i've met in different parts of the world, Aussies are my favourite. A natural sense of humour. Even Sammo cracks me up and he's usually a man of very few words.

Also, Beth from Neighbours. 'Nuff said.
  • 31 1
 Pretty crazy that this is happening I am glad he is setting an example and protecting his family.
  • 31 0
 There's a 2020 EWS season ???
  • 3 0
 was just gonna say.. has it started yet?
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 Don't know how many people realise what a pain it is to travel into OR out of Australia right now for Aussies; there are currently restrictions on Australian citizens leaving the country, a weekly cap of 4000 citizens/permanent residents returning and mandatory government quarantine at $3000 per adult for 14 days on return. Reports of people getting bumped from flights again and again as whole flights get cancelled, spending weeks and thousands of dollars trying to get back in and some of them being offered re-bookings as late as November. Put simply; trying to travel and race would be a full scale logistical and financial nightmare right now and if he does leave trying to get back home is a lottery.
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 Bingo. I think this is more so the issue. The logistics are difficult and having a family on top of that makes it a nightmare.
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 Spot on. Also, looking at the schedule, he would have to be separated from his family for over two months straight. Even if all flights went as planned. It's just not worth it. Perth is one of the best places to be. The virus is not in the community and life is essentially normal. We even have 30k crowds allowed at football games. As someone who lives here, it seems crazy to leave at this point in time.
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 Respect to Nukeproof for supporting his decision.
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 Respect, Sam. Sam has probably spent more time in his life gambling with risk than any of us. Hopefully, soon enough we can all enjoy risk-taking behavior on bikes again without worrying about Covid risk as well.
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 Some of us haven't stopped the risk-taking behavior on our bikes.
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 @SlodownU: Same here. My job is way more dangerous anyway.
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 @sbrdude1: All this "these guys are gambling with their lives" is BS. We're riding bikes, not soldiers, steel workers, coal miners, or astronauts (although some here maybe are). Any risk taken is well within your control and voluntary.
  • 22 0
 Good for you Sam, and bring on 2021. Always your number one fan brand! Wink
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 I'm not racing the EWS this year either...

...any chance of some free stuff to promote the brand? I represent the demographic of riders that put panic-induced braking bumps in berms on blue trails.

In fact i am the rider that puts the braking bumps in berms on blue trails. But i'd like to look the part while doing it.
  • 20 2
 As a german living in Austria i cant help but to be bewildered by the discussion about whether COVID is real and should be taken seriously. In germany and Austria alike there is a wide spread consensus about the severity of the desease, how easily it spreads, how likely it is to get out of controll if handled the wrong way (f.e. by ignoring it) and what to do about it (wearing masks, social distancing, desinfect your hands). By doing that early and doing a countrywide lockdown for about a month we were able to keep Infections, Deaths and economic losses to a minimum. Meanwhile alot of americans are still too afraid of the truth, have strayed from reality too far, bitch about their freedom being taken away because they are supposed to wear a facemask for some time to keep people from dying and look at wearing a mask as a political statement. As a European this gives me a very strong urge to hit my head against the closest wall until i pass out, because i just cant handle the stupidity.
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 As a kiwi living in kiwiland, I agree entirely. So many people are so deeply into their Qanon conspiracies and the orange King Canute has been lying to them for for so long, they've lost all discernment. The US less resembles a democracy - more closely an Idiocracy.
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 @Otago:

But but but unfortunately you’re right. Damn US, who’d of thought there’d be consequences when they vote for an incompetent loser.
  • 4 6
 It’s all about freedom, they Americans are right, when you wake up, research the natural death rate of your country, you will then realise that the world has stopped over nothing but a flu, I suggested you stop hitting your head and use what’s inside it!
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 @Wolverine009: agree 100%. Didn’t 1.3 million people just march in Germany recently protesting constraints? FWIW the US Mass Media reported 13,000. So if they can’t even get something that simple correctly out to their viewers can you imagine how skewed what’s really being reported actually is? True story - my wife’s coworkers son died in a motorcycle wreck. They got the death certificate back and it said Covid. Absolutely 100% the truth in NJ USA. Anyone that believes all this crap that’s being reported is a complete sheep. Of course there is a novel virus outbreak - as a biologist I’m clearly aware that viruses have been around millions of years. There will be more. But the global fear mongering and (as seen in this thread) amount of people completely paralyzed by fear is incomprehensible. 500,000 children under the age of 5 die from malaria every year in undeveloped countries. That’s the truth. Where is the outcry on the loss of human life?? Y’all are a bunch of hypocrites and can’t even see it because you are paranoid.
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 @swellhunter: Totally agree mate, main stream media are portraying C19 as the end of the world, don’t get the vaccine (chip).
  • 15 1
 Fair play Sam. Completely with you, being a Dad makes every decision different and I for one wouldn't be taking that risk either.
  • 15 1
 Way to set an example, good job
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 Yeah, I Think I'll do the same instead of stirring up the EWS race scene Because that's what I'd totally planned for 2020. I might give it another shot next year, though.
  • 12 2
 Wow...what a cesspool pinkbike is. This was an innocuous article about Sam Hills responsible decision to not travel right now...Ya'll are trash..and I agree with some of what half of you are saying. Stop acting like because you agree with the virus fear that science supports it...thats the thing with science is there is often differing opinions that are initaially/potentially equally valid, what matters is peer review and the scientific method. Not even peer review so much as the majority of peer reviews are not done double blind and are subject to potential bias...but its still one of the best solutions we got...ill probably get down voted because people think I'm some right wing moron...nah I'm strictly libertarian with an emphasis on self protection( I also literally have not gone anywhere but work, ride, groceries, and reno project trips since march and I was wearing a mask in home depot getting strange looks a month before everyone had to be wearing a mask or youre a terrible person)...i don't agree with the way that they present their arguments but f*cking hell...the way some of you argue back as if your opinion is right because it is and you can just say science, when you don't even understand the science. I literally read through the f*cking abstract of a random scientific paper someone posted that said was one of many that proved masks efficacy...it literally said one side thing about asymptomatic people and masks...it also said asymptomatic people were unlikely to spread the virus( this was a 2011 paper on a Taiwanese outbreak of a non-novel Sars-Cov virus, not saying asymptomatic people don't spread this virus just to clarify), but according to the left cancel that shit right? Cause it doesn't wholly fit your narrative?..so why is some leftist moron posting it when the they dont comprehend it? Because honestly all of us are sheep...right, left...it doesn't f*cking matter who lives who dies and you're kidding yourself if you think its any other way...why the f*ck do you all politicize this shit when it shouldnt be? Its a morality issue. Also this is gonna be my most negged comment for sure...f*ck you pink bike I wanna read about bikes not get triggered by idiots...also sorry for the poor grammar and punctuation, im on my phone and getting bored of this novel...
  • 9 0
 Well I mean I don’t blame him. Covid has been a mess and with no title this year this seems logical to me.
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 I'll be surprised if a lot of the Kiwi racers don't end up doing the same. It's a similar situation for them too.
  • 7 0
 I never knew that so many epidemiologists and pulmonologists were on pinkbike. Have they been disguising themselves as Yeti riding dentists all these years?
  • 1 0
 Lol !! Great post !!
  • 1 0
 When they closed the dental offices, they became political scientists and now doctors. It is the natural progression of cycling.
  • 9 4
 @pistol2ne With that sort of mentality and approach to a Pandemic it explains why the US has over 5 million infected and has currently surpassed 170000 dead... but i guess if it isn't you or your family its not a big deal, its just the little sniffles right?... and that sort of thinking is the reason why in Canada we continue to close our borders to the US.
  • 9 1
 As if it was going to happen anyway...
  • 2 1
 It is happening
  • 4 1
 @Lagr1980: I envision a season of Jerries and fully intend to be one of them once my collarbone heals(due to Jerrying).
  • 2 0
 @brodoyouevenbike: I pick Seinfeld
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 @Lagr1980: whoever wins will certainly be master of his domain
  • 1 4
 Richie rude was always going to win anyway
  • 2 0
 @brodoyouevenbike: total Jerry question here: how is being a Jerry different from being a Joey?
  • 1 2
 @Beazy: more like a randy question
  • 1 0
 @Beazy: Jerry is a skiing term, Joey is mtb, Fred is a roadie, squid on the moto
  • 7 0
 3 out of 4 Australians are also being denied permission to leave Australia so even if he wanted to he probably couldn't.
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 Sam, you have my utmost respect. You've been a leader in our sport for a long time. Fans & riders all over the world will see this decision & be influenced to take things seriously to help save lives. It's likely you'll never read this but I'm grateful for your support in the fight. This will not be forgotten.

-bigger fan for life
  • 6 2
 I hate how some people have to argue about whether or not the virus will hurt them, or if it’ll affect them. It will. Just because it hasn’t yet doesn’t mean it won’t. Social distancing works, masks work, the virus is real. Don’t underestimate science. Mountain biking is the world to me, but my life and everyone else’s lives are the universe. (good analogy?)
  • 4 0
 Cyclists here are joining test-free grand fondos... They are amateurs who have nothing to gain. But they take the risk. Unbeilevable but real. Respect to him doing this as professional.
  • 6 1
 GOAT! Wise man, "Traveling across the world right now is not a risk I want to put myself or my family through." and kudos to Nukeproof on supporting him.
  • 4 0
 whats nukeproof gonna do, release him?
  • 3 0
 Hopefully less prolific riders and privateers will also be able to make this decision without pressure from sponsors. Sam is solidified in the industry and with that comes the privilege to make this decision. I'm not sure everyone has that ability.
  • 5 0
 Good christ reading some of the comments here made my head hurt. Smart move from Sam. Now go ride your bikes instead of arguing online.
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flag Wolverine009 (Aug 18, 2020 at 15:32) (Below Threshold)
 We might not have the freedom to do so in the future they way we are going.
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 @Wolverine009: because of all the microchips in bikes now
  • 5 2
 My family and I all got covid, of course. Got to my Grandma (week in hospital, she just wanted to leave) and cousin, aunt. Hit me hardest, 9 days down for the count.
Now we better than ever woohoo.
Stupid virus ain't got nothing on us.

I'll race for you if there's an open spot bahahaha.

See ya next year, stay safe
  • 9 3
 He should race really, he’s so fast it wouldn’t catch him
  • 4 0
 In the age of the mask he could have sent a secret ringer to ride for him. I am sure nobody would notice except for the new total lack of skill or speed on a bike.
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 I still think he’s a chance to win the title.
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 I think the better option for this year is most countries/continents to do series with in their regions and not call any race “World” since I think a large portion of racers can’t or won’t travel outside of their respective regions. I enjoyed what crankworx did in Canada. Some US races have still happened. You could have a Europe Enduro and Downhill cup. Australia can too,
  • 1 1
 Good thinking - y'all hear hear that?
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 Well this escalated quickly.

Remember when Sam rode for IronHorse? Those were the days.

Always wanted me an IronHorse.

Anyways, let’s see what other crazy stuff has been further posted by our Murican’ friends that we share a border with...
  • 5 0
 Much respect Sam. Cheers.
  • 4 0
 Good for you Sam, I respect this decision as a dad and part of a family. Still must be a tough call to make.
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 As a big baseball fan as well it's refreshing to see way more positive responses to his decision than when some players made the exact same decision.
  • 4 0
 Good Choice Mr Hill, international bike racing seems a little ludicrous rite now. Keep it local
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 I am all in in support of Sam and any body that chooses to make the decision to avoid risks that they feel are not worth it. It is his life and his decision. How ever I do not support those that want to pressure others to do something for there own entertainment, income or selfishness. This goes for all sports, entertainment, services and any type of work. Kudos to Chain Reaction, all of the team and his sponsors for supporting his decision.
  • 2 1
 Great choice Sam, family should always come first and it's great to see a top rider setting this example to his peers, not to give into pressure when the stakes are too high. I'm sure he will come out swinging next season anyway!
  • 6 0
 Sam = Pragmatic
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 For what it's worth Sam, I think you made the right call, not that my opinion matters. Nevertheless, all the best to ya and hope to see you back in action next year
  • 1 0
 MotoGP/Moto2/Moto3/Sbk races are ongoing in Europe with riders and big teams from all over the world, including Australia...even roadies just concluded Criterium du Dauphine...if they can do it...sounds like Sam has a his good reasons and I am not going to question.
  • 3 2
 Wow if you folk put as much effort in cleaning up your cities, and confronting the thugz that run your cities in the ground , you may actually accomplish something worth talking about, it won’t be long and y’all will be their primary target,
  • 4 0
 Props to Sam Hill for placing the health of his family (and himself) first.
  • 1 0
 Just the fact that everytime he leaves the country, it will cost him an additional 3000 to come back and go into quarantine would be enough to say screw it... A younger, single racer might go on an extended road trip, but you still have different countries with different travel restrictions... And, now Sam has a family to think about.. So, he has to do what he feels best for himself and his family. I personally think that there is a lot of overblown fear mongering going on, but people should be doing what they feel is best for themselves. And, if Sam feels this is his best option, he's probably right.
  • 2 0
 Respect for the tough decision especially for someone at that competitive level I’m sure he’s itching to get back between the tape.
  • 3 0
 Stay safe brothers and sisters. Ride and help building your local trails for this year !
  • 5 0
 Respect...mad respect!
  • 4 0
 Kudos to Sam, one more reason I am a fan.
  • 4 0
 Smart move Sam! You and your family's health is more important.
  • 2 0
 It would probably be best if people didn’t express their opinions on this matter. Lots of attitude these days, not helpful at all.
  • 3 0
 Respect. Keen to see what 2021 will hold in terms of racing
  • 5 5
 Im guessing this has more to do with the logistical/financial impossibility of repeated overseas travel to/from australia than actually being worried about the illness.
Slow day clickbait either way.
  • 5 2
 Money makes the world turn around, big pharma makes it stop!
  • 4 2
 The sad part is the Covid19 situation won't be any better next year than it is now .. especially in the US.
  • 3 0
 See you next year, Champ!
  • 3 1
 To the winner of the 2020 EWS Championship... nice participation trophy bro.
  • 1 1
 Hey... practice makes perfect Smile
  • 3 0
 The look on Sam's face is as if he knew what this thread would produce.
  • 3 0
 Goatvid-19
  • 2 0
 Looks like the 2020 EWS winner will have an asterix next it.
  • 2 0
 Wait, theres an EWS season this year?
  • 1 1
 Ha Ha...!! I'm with you Smile
  • 3 0
 Good on you mate.
  • 2 0
 I hope he makes some sick videos of him shredding some Australian soil
  • 1 3
 Unfortunately the unfolding economic crisis will sideline racing as we know it for years to come. The risk to Sam is very very low and there is money on the table. Proving for his family outweighs the very small risk of covid.
  • 1 0
 Calm down everyone, he cant fly out of Australia even if he wanted to, very simple.
  • 1 0
 Finally someone taking responsibility for their actions and showing leadership and integrity.
  • 2 0
 Uuuu poor Sam Hill... He believe in fake pandemic...
  • 1 0
 Or possibly he has thrown a few too many shrimps on the barby during his lock down and isn't in any condition to race maybe.
  • 2 0
 So basically...Sam Chill
  • 2 0
 Good decision Sam.
  • 3 2
 Nobody cares. Where’s the grim donut already?
  • 1 0
 Fair play. I wouldn't be leaving Aus if I was there now.
  • 1 0
 Some of the comments are excellent. Well done team.
  • 1 3
 Wow! Two comments taken down! Guess this time I won't put the trigger word in there. Wish they were that responsive when the pm system quit working. Where is the Grim Donut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 1 0
 I feel like certain aricles should simply have comments turned off.
  • 1 0
 There is something else up, no Strava in over a month. Injury?
  • 4 4
 So 2021 and onwards will be covid free?
  • 3 2
 Good question...not sure it will ever go away but hopefully we have measures to reduce the risk....
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flag Wolverine009 (Aug 18, 2020 at 15:34) (Below Threshold)
 @klerric: The risk is low mate.
  • 3 3
 @Wolverine009: you don't know what 1 percent means do you?
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flag Wolverine009 (Aug 18, 2020 at 22:29) (Below Threshold)
 @Bikerdude137: You don’t know what fabrication of results means do you?

Its difficult to accept and I don’t mean to be rude about it, but the we’ve been lied to and we’re all going to pay for it.

Check out Bill Gates TED talk in 2015, openly tells the world there will be de-population of the world by 10-15% by vaccination.
  • 7 1
 @klerric: reduce by how much? Is a risk of 0,5% acceptable? Or 0,25%? This frenzy will not stop, as long as somebody is interested in maintaining the panic
  • 3 8
flag Wolverine009 (Aug 19, 2020 at 7:30) (Below Threshold)
 @Otago: NZ & Ozzy have just got funding from Bill Gates for vaccine trials, your problem, not mine, wake up, it’s the flu!
  • 2 6
flag edmfirefighter1 (Aug 19, 2020 at 10:23) (Below Threshold)
 @Wolverine009: Good points !
  • 3 0
 @edmfirefighter1: how? They're all so stupid
  • 2 6
flag Wolverine009 (Aug 19, 2020 at 11:32) (Below Threshold)
 @Bikerdude137: The “experts” have been forecasting all sorts of high infection rates and it hasn’t materialised, it’s your choice how you interpret the facts, we’re going into a deep deep recession (if you know what that is), so back to school with you (if they open)!
  • 5 3
 @Wolverine009: ah yes, because your 3 hours of google and youtube research is better then scientists, f*ck off dumbass
  • 2 0
 November 4th and on
  • 1 5
flag Wolverine009 (Aug 19, 2020 at 13:06) (Below Threshold)
 @Bikerdude137: It’s called maths, again, go back to school (if they open).
  • 2 5
 @Bikerdude137: Typical Canadian (think they know it all, and what's best for everyone else).
  • 4 3
 @edmfirefighter1: a typical American, absolute dumbass
  • 1 2
 @Bikerdude137: Great input!
  • 2 2
 @Wolverine009: the only input you've made is your stupid conspiracy theories
  • 4 4
 anecdotal evidence VS Empirical evidence
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 Since they took my China comment down, I'll take another tack.
Where the hell is the review of the Grim Donut???
  • 1 0
 Oh geez!!
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 Sam, stay calm... a lot of people "respect" your decision lol
  • 3 6
 China comments are sensored by Pinkbike
  • 3 5
 yeah they dont like free speech. the TrumpVirus really has people all up in arms about nothing, am i right?
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