Who says freeride is dead? Not Santa Cruz, and to prove it they've created a new Nomad, one that's bigger, badder, and more gravity oriented than ever before. Okay, so maybe they're not using the term “freeride,” but with 170mm of travel, a 64.6-degree head angle (in the low setting) and a new rear suspension layout inspired by the V10, this is about as close as you can get to a pedal-able downhill bike.
Given the success of the previous Nomad, Santa Cruz could have taken the easy road and just tweaked the geometry a little bit and slapped on a new paint job, but they made the conscious decision to push version 4.0 into new territory.
Santa Cruz Nomad Details
• Intended use: shredding the gnar
• Wheel size: 27.5"
• Rear wheel travel: 170mm
• 64.6º or 65º head angle
• Carbon frame, C or CC options
• Metric shock sizing
• Boost hub spacing
• MSRP: $4,499 - $9,399 USD ($8,399 as shown)
• Weight: 30lb / 13.6kg (size large)
• Available: June 15
• www.santacruzbicycles.com After all, the 150mm Bronson has the all-mountain side of things pretty well covered, and don't forget that the 29”-wheeled Hightower and its upcoming longer travel sibling — in short, something needed to be done to make sure the Nomad didn't get lost in the crowd.
Prices start at $4,499 USD for the Nomad C R, which comes with a 170mm RockShox Yari up front, SRAM Guide R brakes, and a SRAM NX 11-speed drivetrain. At the other end of the scale is the $9,399 USD Nomad CC XX1 Reserve, which gets Santa Cruz's highest end carbon wheels, an XX1 Eagle drivetrain, Code RSC brakes, and a RockShox Lyric RCT3.
The bike pictured above is the $8,399 Nomad CC X01 Reserve; highlights include a 12-speed SRAM X01 Eagle drivetrain, Code RSC brakes, Reserve carbon wheels with DT Swiss 350 hubs, and a Lyrik RCT3 fork.
Frame Design The rear suspension layout is the most immediately apparent difference between the new Nomad and its predecessor, with the shock situated low in the frame where it passes through a split in the seat tube. As you'd expect, it's still a VPP design, with two large counter-rotating links that control the 170mm of travel.
Even with that split seat tube design, Santa Cruz still managed to internally route the dropper post housing (it runs through a tube molded inside the non-driveside of the frame), and to fit dropper posts with appropriate amounts of travel – 150mm on a size medium, and 170mm on the large and extra-large sizes.
The Nomad is designed to play well with both coil and air-sprung shocks; riders can choose from a RockShox Super Deluxe Coil RCT, or a Super Deluxe Air RCT. There's a small integrated fender bolted onto the frame to help keep some of the mud and grit that this bike will undoubtedly be subjected to at bay. Other frame niceties include a guard on the underside of the down tube to prevent the frame scuffs and dings that all-too-often accompany a day of shuttling, and there's even enough room to carry a full-size water bottle inside the front triangle.
The Nomad is debuting with a full carbon frame, but there is an alloy model on the way that should be available in the fall at a more budget friendly pricepoint.
The previous generation Nomad was a trail-smashing beast in its own right, which meant that there wasn't any need to go too wild when it came time to revise the geometry numbers, although the reach has been lengthened by 22mm — a size large now measures 460mm. A few millimeters were trimmed off the chainstay length, which is now 430mm, and thanks to a flip chip on the lower link the bike's head angle can be set at either 64.6º with a 339mm BB height, or 65º with a 344mm BB height.
Reserve WheelsAlong with the new bike, Santa Cruz is also launching their own line of carbon wheels, called “Reserve.” Rather than re-labeling an existing rim profile, Santa Cruz set out to develop their own unique design, drawing on their in-house expertise and carbon testing facilities.
The result is a rim shape that has a slight protrusion above each spoke hole, external reinforcement that's intended to help keep spokes from pulling through the rim, one of the modes of failure that Santa Cruz found with other carbon wheels. The rim and spoke holes are asymmetric in order to even out the spoke tension between the drive and non-driveside as much as possible, and they're laced up with 28 spokes using a 3-cross pattern. There will be two 27.5” internal rim widths available — 27 and 30mm, and the 29” wheels will be available with an internal width of 25, 27, or 30mm.
The Reserve wheels will add $1,200 USD to the MSRP of a complete bike, and they'll also be available as aftermarket items this fall. Laced up with Industry Nine hubs, a complete wheelset will retail for $1,899 USD, or $1,599 with DT Swiss 350 hubs.
Just like Santa Cruz's frames and bearings, the Reserve wheels come with a lifetime warranty. When a damaged wheel is received at Santa Cruz's California facility, they promise a 24-hour turnaround, an impressively quick time frame that should help keep the amount of time off the bike to a minimum.
New vs. old - the fourth and third generations of the Santa Cruz Nomad.
3 Nomad Questions With Jack Russell, Santa Cruz Bicycles' Senior Industrial Designer Mike Kazimer - Who do you see as being the ideal rider for the new Nomad? Jack Russell - I don't really know what to call it, but the bike was built for people who want to ride gnarly descents where you can't shuttle. It was not built as an enduro race bike or any kind of race bike for that matter. It's more of a mountain bike that you will never feel like is holding you back in the "I would do this on my downhill bike, but not on this trail bike" kind of way. It's a bike for trails where you can't stop once you drop in, it's a bike that solves the problem of "Should I bring my trail bike or DH bike on this trip?" I think a lot of people will think of it as a park bike, but personally, when I think park bike, I think of a short travel DH bike that can't pedal up hills. This one can pedal. Adventure-duro maybe?Kazimer - Given the popularity of the previous Nomad, when this project started, was their one main goal you were trying to achieve?Russell - When we began this project we looked at where the N3 was and what people used it for when it came out, and what people use it for now and how riding has changed in the last few years. Also, we looked at what the Bronson was being used for. We made a deliberate decision to push the N4 closer to a DH bike and not go down the path of making it an enduro race bike. This is a different path than the N3 took, but we think this is an underserved market and the Bronson can do most of what the N3 could do.Kazimer - What was the reason for deviating from the suspension layout seen on the Nomad 3? What's the benefit of the new configuration? Russell - The main reason for the lower link mounted shock on the N4 is to give it a similar leverage ratio as the V10. To get that leverage ratio you have to attach the shock to the lower link. We have had years and years of experience with the V10 leverage rate and have been tweaking and improving it with the Syndicate. We knew the most uncompromised way to make this "full DH bike feeling trail bike" work was to give it a V10 leverage ratio.
The V10/N4 leverage ratio is a linearly-progressive line that works great with a coil or air, depending on how you want to the bike to feel and is always predictable, which is great for dialing in the tune. With all that leverage ratio stuff happening, we were able to give the bike the correct amount of anti-squat so you can still pedal it up a hill.Rather than going through the whole rigamarole that typically accompanies a new bike launch — traveling to a far away destination, and then trying to get accustomed to a strange bike on unfamiliar trails — Santa Cruz sent a new Nomad to my stomping grounds in Bellingham, Washington. So far I've been able to get in a bunch of solid rides aboard the new rig, several of those on the steep and loamy trails close to my house, and the rest on the sharp, dusty, and loose terrain outside of Pemberton, BC. In other words, plenty of time to formulate some initial impressions about the new Nomad's handling.
ClimbingThe new Nomad's focus may be almost entirely on going downhill, but the fact that both the air and coil shock options have a lockout feature means that with the flip of a lever it's possible to turn it into a manageable climber. No, it's not the bike to grab if you regularly seek out extra-technical climbs full of slow speed maneuvers — the slack head angle and long wheelbase make those type of ascents more challenging than they would be on a shorter travel bike with steeper geo numbers — but the Nomad has no trouble cruising up steep logging roads en-route to the day's descent. That 30 pound weight is very reasonable considering the burly build kit, although the Nomad's climbing manners are still more steady than sprightly; it doesn't exactly strain at the reins when faced with a big climb.
Even without the lockout lever engaged the Nomad's rear suspension remains fairly calm, unless you're standing up and really putting the power down, at which point there's a little extra rear end movement, but it's anything out of the ordinary, especially for a bike with this much travel. In short, the new Nomad can climb, but its subdued handling mirrors how I imagine Floyd Mayweather feels between fights, twiddling his thumbs while he waits for smashing time to commence.
Oops...There was one small snafu that happened after only a few shuttle runs on the Nomad — I cracked the rear rim. Yes, that brand new Santa Cruz Reserve carbon rim met its untimely demise when I came up a foot short on a stepdown, smacking the rear wheel squarely into one of the cedar logs that formed the backside of the landing. Time to make use of that lifetime warranty and 24-hour turnaround... The incident was fully user error, and I'm sure that there would have been some sort of damage even if I'd been on an aluminum rim. Santa Cruz has since sent out a replacement, and I'll be putting this one to the test over the coming months in order to see how it holds up.
Descending The previous Nomad was an excellent descender, but version 4.0 has an entirely different feel — it's about as close to a downhill bike as you can get without a dual crown fork. The bike's weight feels centered around the bottom bracket, and the lengthened front center combined with the shorter chainstays makes it easy to pull up into a manual, or arc turns down steep, loose chutes. That 170mm of plush travel goes a long way towards smoothing out the roughest of trails — you'd be hard-pressed to find a track the Nomad can't handle. The rear end feels very composed throughout the entirety of its travel, free from any unexpected harshness or abrupt ramp up.
So far my time on the Nomad has been split between the air shock and the coil shock, and while they both work very well, at this point I prefer the feel of the air-sprung RockShox Super Deluxe Air RCT. It makes the bike feel more energetic and eager, with a little more ramp-up towards the end of the travel. If I was focused solely on plowing through rough, rocky sections of trail, I'd lean towards the coil option, but for more varied terrain, and especially when it comes to hitting jumps, the air shock is the way to go.
Should you rush out to buy a Nomad? Honestly, unless you're lucky enough to have relatively easy access to trails that are worthy of a 170mm mini-downhill bike, probably not. Yes, it's wickedly fun, but this is a bike that needs room to run — taking it on mellow flow trails is like forcing a mountain lion to live indoors. It's even a bit much for most enduro races — this is a bike that's made for seeking out the burliest descents, not sprinting against the clock.
On the other hand, for riders who are fortunate to live in close proximity to long, gnarly trails, the Nomad should be a formidable weapon. We're going to keep putting the miles in on it, miles that will include plenty of time in the Whistler Bike Park, in order to see how it holds up. Stay tuned for a follow-up report once the pummeling is over.
Or the new long travel 29er!
I applaud their bravery for stepping away from their traditional designs and trying something new.
It's definitely not for me but they have focused on a specific target rider here.
Also...did I read that Santa Cruz warrantied a wheel that was damaged completely by user error? That seems to good to be true.
To Santa Cruz engineers and managers, I think it's sweet. Congrats on the release.
Rear hose routing still looks crap. Why do they persist in routing along the seat stay? Have a look at a new Enduro for how hose routing should be done.
They more I look at messy designs like this the more I think all bikes will end up looking like Trek/Norco/DW in the future. Anything can be achieved leverage rate wise with such a design and it's by far the neatest.
(I love the red version), but I no longer think that. These bikes look uninspired from a paint point of view.
Video is here - skip to 9:20 in:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC_UOsnRRQ
So kind of funny, that they are now saying this is an improvement??? Change for the sake of change? And if the V10 can look so good - how can they make this look so bad? Planned obsolescence?
Suspension certainly doesn't trump kinematics as anyone with a current 650b Stumpjumper or previous Bronson will tell you. Those bikes are pretty much unfixable regardless of shock.
Agree regarding the rear centre but it seems they've designed this bike for park rats and shuttles who love the "short chainstays bro".
Sold it last year and got a fox 36. I works better but it doesn't set my pants on fire like the totem did. Plus it creaks.
I actually think the bike looks incredible, I'm just not 100% on the paint choices.
As for cycling clothing, lycra never appealed to me because it has no advantages but the poor durability is a disadvantage. I'd rip it within a single ride. Not just from crashes, also from thorns and branches. What's wrong with a simple shirt and shorts? I'm going to get sweaty and dirty anyway, no need to go all tech about that. I only started riding with DH type shorts because they really are stronger (than cotton, which wears and rips eventually). But banning lycra because of the looks, I must have missed that. Actually before the UCI banned lycra for WC DH racing (which isn't the same context as what this bike is for) people were obliged to wear a skin suit at the World Championships. And the MTB Cut team (with the likes of Ben Cathro, maybe Chris Porter was involved too) was riding pink Orange 223 or 224 bikes and in black skin suits. It wasn't about looks, they just wanted to be fast and not worry too much about their garment.
So I'd say looks may count, but they are nowhere near as important as performance, durability, compatibility and maintainability.
Anyway, UCI WC DH racing is a different context than what this bike is for. This Santa Cruz Nomad bike is not a downhill bike and it is not primarily intended for competitive racing. People riding these are free to wear whatever they feel like.
That longer and rotationally 'slower' upper link should also slow down the fall in anti-rise that is characteristic of VPP bikes as travel increases and that is detrimental to maintaining both geometry stability under brakes and braking traction.
If you go to their website and check the spec list on the S build, you will see something new from Sram as well
www.sram.com/sram/mountain/family/GX-eagle
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A different brand of carbon rims may have escaped unscathed and yet another brand would have probably failed catastrophically. Not all carbon rims are made equal.
High-quality carbon rims are pretty damn impressive these days.
YMMV, this is my experience riding 6,000 miles per year primarily in Fruita, GJ, and Moab - places that aren't friendly to rims.
I read all the reviews a million times and basically if you take price out of the equation, they are both too similar to split... except SC build and finish quality is streets ahead.
Capra beats nomad 3 on price only.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF3R0KG-yzA
I can't see how you can say they just iterate after all of the hype around their 29er at Lourdes.
I didn't coin that, I read it in the comments section of Pinkbike, but I kind of do agree with it. Pretty much all their bikes of the last five years look the same.
Regarding Capra vs N3, obviously I was using hyperbole when saying they are exactly the same bike, but they are very similar. Don't get me wrong, I live the Capra. I made a deal to buy one from PB buy sell, but the seller pulled out. I was gutted, even though I knew about the sub standard finish of the carbon capra.
A second hand Nomad came up about ten k's away from me so I did a lot of reading and research. I was satisfied that the Capra was getting better reviews than the Nomad primarily because of the price. Take price out of the equation and I think it's too close to call for someone like me who only rides about two hours a month due to work and family commitments.
If a scientist can prove the Capra is 3.2% more poppy or whatever I won't argue. It may well be, but for the likes of me they are basically the same bike... with the exception of the SC having undeniably better finish quality. I would prefer it to be made in Taiwan rather than China, but shit happens.
The Capra has a decent suspension leverage curve though sizing also seemed a little small previously at least 5"6 guys are not on large bikes.....
Regarding the geometry, it may be dated in that I have to use a 50mm stem as opposed to a 35, but I'm pretty sure there are still a lot of pros using 50 and longer stems. I seem to recall Bryce uses a 65. Just because something is in fashion doesn't necessarily mean it's better for everyone. Does it?
I had a 35 on mine for the first month and it was worse both uphill and down. After I put the 50 on it was night and day better. I know it was designed around a 50mm stem, and the new one may well be designed around a 32mm, but I don't think we can say that a very short stem is better for everyone at all times. You have to admit, a lot of it is driven by fashion.
How can you tell if a 30 or 50mm stem is better if you hardly ride?
I am suprised you have the Nomad to be honest, do you ride proper DH style terrain for those 2 hrs? If not, it may be a good idea to look for something with a little less travel?
Stems wise, it was easy to feel a difference instantly. I was riding a lot more at the end of last year because I did a race and my wife made a lot of time for me to train but this year... not so much.
You're right though, I would get more out of a short travel 29er most of the time, but I didn't buy my bike for that. I bought it for the twice a year I do a shuttle day in Wales. It's my way of acting out the fantasy I guess!
@jaame - Real life gets in the way for most people, I have hardly been out this year, sold my DH bike at the end of 2016 because of lack of use (used once the whole year) and value any time I can get out on the bike now - So I wasnt trying to preach because it sounds like we are in a similar, all too common situation, I used to race DH, certainly know how to ride a bike still but know I am not as sharp as I used to and that maybe a 170mm long and low bike just isnt the best thing for me to be on anymore.... My intentions dont match up to the reality of how much / where I can ride, it sucks but thats life.....
Personally I believe that a lot more is made of small differences in MTB geometry than those differences actually make in the real world. 80% rider, 20% bike. I could be wrong.
I think geometry is a lot about mental state, If you are comfortable then it can make a huge difference, look at the DH racers who will change geo by 0.5 of a degree after having a tough race, searching for answers / confidence to go quicker.
1. Price matters.
2. It's also nice to have something different in a world full of SCs (I've owned 3 SCs).
Edit - I wouldn't have written this had I read all the other remarks.
"I know one dentist who rides and she owns a Capra..."
I like her.
@codypup: Most likely such comments are directed at American dentists, but I've met plenty of Canadian and European dentists that do just fine.
nsmb.com/articles/kazs-ride-lightning-santa-cruz-bronson
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against anyone getting well paid. As you say, it's how you handle yourself. Rich or poor, just don't be a c*nt and you're all right by me.
As for geometry, I'd argue these longer and slacker bikes are just for riding harder and faster. The creators of Pole and the Nicolai Geometron will agree. My bikes (DMR Switchback and Cannondale Prophet) have relatively short rear ends by modern standards (about 420mm, I think) but also short front centers. When I started riding I probably hammered with my mid foot but I was taught to learn to ride with the ball of my foot over the axle. And with these concave pedals, that also felt good. But I got these Catalyst pedals as soon as they came out and they are designed to be ridden with the foot much more forwards over the pedal. So basically the rear end got longer and the front got shorter, relative to my mass. Maybe by 40 or 50mm. Which is a lot in geometry terms. And I definitely notice. I always used to put relatively much weight over the front and little over the rear but I think it got more extreme this past year. The chart says I need to run about 4.5bar in the forks, I run about 7 bar to maintain my ride height. And I rarely wash out the front, but easily wash out the rear (without braking, obviously). So yeah if I'd get a new frame, I probably would get one with a considerably longer front.
Especially as chainstays haven't gotten shorter (despite the marketing blah). And really, how do they measure chainstay length on full suspension bikes anyway? Except maybe for those designs with a raised pivot (and idler pulley to match) the axle is most rearwards around the sag point. So whether the suspension compresses or decompresses, the rear axle moves forwards (despite the marketing blah, again).
So much for geometry. As for suspension travel I agree that you'd ideally want just enough to leave enough to challenge you.
"Most Muni operators make anywhere from $60,000 to $70,000 a year, according to public records."
They also get full beneits, retirement, 401k and whatnot.
Beginning surgeons have it better:
The Profiles survey shows the median income for general surgeons as $225,000 in their first year. Pediatric surgeons are also lower at a median of $295,000, as are vascular surgeons at $259,400. Cardiothoracic surgeons start at a median income of $360,000, orthopedic surgeons at $315,000, and neurosurgeons at $395,000.
Headangle and wheelbase alone are certainly not responsible of the problem. The problem is rather the rider's weight distribution. With shorter chainstays than previous gen, and no steeper seatangle (or marginaly) of course it climbs less well. But put it a steep seatangle and you'll see... When will we get rid of this 72-esque angle really?! That's a value coming from rigid bikes used on flats! Yes, roadies usually stand on their pedals when climbing, not us, and their bikes won't sag whereas ours will. Hence the need for much steeper seatangles, even more if the reach increases! You'll otherwise feel stretched out like on a XC bike with a 120mm stem...
Also funny to see the bikes having a reach that is longer than what was considered way too long for the previous generation bike... It's like the axle dimensions and getting one more sprocket on the cassette every 4 years. Stop being scared of a big leap forward and make modern bikes right away! Unless it's just a business plan à la Apple.
This shout out is obviously not exclusively targeted at SC. Only a few brands (Mondraker and Nicolai come to mind first, but also a few other small brit brands) have been rethinking the dimensions of MTBs for modern use.
Try 77-78 ACTUAL seat angle. It's amazing. Even with too short chainstays.
Regarding extreme 77-78 angles I tried those "unusual" bikes during last Eurobike and I have to say I don't like them. There is always some trade-off when riding them. They tend to be very good e.g. in going fast down, going up great but feel like shit when doing jumps and bunny hops and are like buses when cornering. Germans went into these strange geometries because there is a niche for it and it sells. Otherwise companies like Nicolai would be in deep trouble cause they sell alloy frames for shit load of money with no carbon options. So until Germans will finally come up with a robot that does carbon frames they will have to sell their alloy frames for prices others are selling their carbon ones. Sorry for being so elaborate but this is a little bit complicated to explain all the bullshit that is going on in bike business.
Right now I ride 2016 Intense Tracer 275 and I am just looking for something equally versatile just a little bit more towards big jumps and park. But to be honest I don't feel much pressure because this is really an awesome bike. Not the execution. It's done like crap and it creaks like a pig but the suspension and geometry are just really good.
I just don't like too long and too steep and too everything I suppose. And I am not very lonely here. Even the designer of the long geometry of Mondraker always said it was to make better times. He also said that Mondraker started using almost normal stems now which was never the intention.
If you like weird. Go for it.
FYI the new Norcos are measured this way, that's why the Range 29 in XL has a slacker ESTA than the M. It's much closer to the truth but looks weird on paper compared to a brand that just gives the same number for every size.
@goroncy I didn't realise Liteville varied their chainstays, but happy to learn. It is exactly about changing the whole bike, you're right, but usually manufacturers do change the reach, stack height, seat tube length, crank length, etc, meaning it's only really the chainstays that mostly get left the same across the sizes.
@alexsin I hadn't really thought about that problem with quoting ESTA when it varies with seat height :s On the plus side, longer chainstays mean we could all have straight seat tubes again and ESTA would be simple again :p
Anyway, not mentioned here but over at Vital MTB Santa Cruz finally acknowledges the design is lame and have reverted to tried and true bearing design:
'Gone is the company’s angular contact bearing with adjustable preload system. In its place is a more traditional, less torque-sensitive radial bearing with a spacer system...Overall, the company found this style of interface to be more user friendly and less prone to creaking compared to the previous pivot hardware.'
Hallelujah! I've been singing this song for 3 years and figured it was just falling on deaf ears!!!
Oh and what's that BS about slack HA not climbing well ? I'm running 63.5° on my Meta v4 and that thing never climbed so well than since I tweaked my geometrie.
Whoops, so easy to mix up these copy-paste descriptions...????
In all seriousness though, I'm loving this "new" resurgence in long travel baby-DH-enduro things.
As to carbon rim cracking... well it is pretty much always a user error. But I would like ENVE to take that sentence: "if carbon rim gets broken it means we should worry more about how did the crash go for the rider" write it on piece of paper and eat it. You may take a sip of drink afterwards, even a beer, as long as you drink it from aluminium cup
Giant Trance 0 2017: cracked
www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/Giant/TRANCE-ADVANCED-0,18070#product-reviews/2644/expand
Intense Recluse Elite 2017: cracked
www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/Intense/Recluse-Elite,18073#product-reviews/2669/expand
I got an N3 last year... it was a toss up between that and the Mega 290. I still wonder what that 29er would be like...
Btw the bike is still ugly.
I can't logically justify a bike like this, nor do I have skills or the youthful invincibility to push its limits... but it would still be fun to own. The most awesome and memorable trails are the ones where at least 160mm is enjoyable, even if you don't ride them often. This 170mm bike is the same weight and geo as a 160mm bike (or 153mm in the HD4) anyway.
Next step: Frames from the US and A. Watch out...
The bike seems to be quite nice, but, if you already own a downhiller, I would prefer the Bronson
I feel like its similar why people hate on the the patriots, manchester united etc. They are too good, too pricey and people want to see the underdog roar.
Why are SC only offering a shit brown color and a rubbish blue with shit brown decals?
And for anyone thats interested, in comparison to the 2016 model in XL, the new one is;
+20mm reach
+3mm stack
+25mm wheelbase
- 15mm seat tube
- 20mm stand over
Samee BB height and head angle
Hardly ground breaking.
Gotta love Santa Cruz for doing what they want, market be damned.
I'd LOVE to demo it, but probably couldn't ever rationalize buying it.
(disclaimer, I own a Santa Cruz HighTower and a Pivot Firebird)
Color way (both of them) are not attractive at all
Even though there is a "fender" covering the rear shock, the stanchion looks very vulnerable to scratching - this along with how the lower linkage on SC bikes have a tendency to grit up / squeak could mean a lot of attention will be needed on the entire rear suspension (just a thought, zero proof of that)
They had a year to out maneuver Pivot's Firebird - I don't think they achieved that with this bike, and the Firebird looks better hands down.
I suppose this may be a good bike for current V3 nomad owners who feel they need more reach and a bit more travel, but those that aren't loyal to the SC brand have plenty of other choices.
I dont disagree entirely either, I dont think its that ugly but if you do, I probably wouldnt want it either.
I went to a Reign from my old Nomad - much better (for me).
And it didn't look like sh*t!
On paper the wheels look good, but feels like buying a Trek or a Specialized with house brand parts all over it. Also, I might be in the minority, but I have had less than stellar customer service with Santa Cruz so I'm very skeptical of the 24 hour turn around.
Two question:
Is VPP with the shock driven off the upper link a dead end?
If the V10 is 29 now, is 27.5 a dead end?
Glad there aren't any new axel standards at least!
Is VPP with the shock driven off the upper link a dead end? No, they'll continue using it for all of their "shorter travel" bikes
If the V10 is 29 now, is 27.5 a dead end? No, they will likely sell the V10 in both 27.5 and 29, Along with a bunch of their other bikes. Will 27.5 die eventually? Who knows.
Glad there aren't any new axel standards at least! Ya, but boost is new to the Nomad.
That's not to say that there may have been direct influence throughout the design phase of the nomad on the part of PON. Yet, in looking at the tragectory of other brands under PON (cervelo, etc.) this "new, but far less" upgrade for SC seems to the norm.
mrblackmorescorner.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/santa-cruz-nomad-4-vs-ibis-mojo-hd4-vs.html
and it looks to be an improved bike in all areas. Significantly, the revised leverage ratio curve looks to be a big improvement on the previous Nomad and the recast LR curve profile is wholly due to the relocation of the shock absorber. Things could even have been better if a 65mm stroke shock had been specced in preference to the 60mm stroke shock found on the bike.
rbikes.com/merchant/482/images/zoom/2013_DHR_Pro_Orange_1920-800.jpg
Second thought: not that ugly.
Third thought: I want it but the bike is gnarlier than me.
First sanata cruz since the last nomad which will suit taller riders or those with long legs
youtu.be/1TZOyCCLRkg
yt or pivot, yawn. nice bikes all the same
Can´t wait for more!
haha...looks a little like these old scribbles from 2010......
Nice to see something in a similar direction......
mrblackmorescorner.blogspot.com.es/2017/07/santa-cruz-nomad-4-vs-ibis-mojo-hd4-vs.html
'Voila, she will do'
They went too far, maybe"ahead of his time", but i will not worship/ buy as the previous frames
Loved every inch of it!
personal pref, progression is good.
still waiting on my SC super 8 to make a comeback
Can’t understand the haters,I’m sold on it.