Saracen Myst Team Carbon - Review

Oct 5, 2016
by Paul Aston  




Saracen has passed through a number of life cycles over the decades, but its current incarnation is shaping up to be one of the better British brands. Saracen developed the carbon Myst in conjunction with the Madison/Saracen team with only one goal in mind, and that was achieved at the 2014, World Championships. The Myst chassis proudly wears rainbows, thanks to Manon Carpenter's stellar performance in Hafjell. For 2017, Saracen will offer a no-expense-spared, identical version of the team's race-bikes, painted in the colors that the team will be flying on the World Cup circuit next season. Only 50 will be produced, with an MSRP of £5,299. If you miss out, the production Myst Pro sells for £3399.


Details:

• Intended use: Downhill
• Rear wheel travel: 203mm
• Full Toray UD Carbon frame and linkage
• Fox 40 Factory, Fit Damper
• Fox DHX2 Factory, SLS Spring
• Full Shimano Saint and Pro build kit
• Wheel size: 27.5''
• Integrated fork bump stops
• Internal cable routing
• ISCG 05 chain guide tabs
• Raw carbon, red and fluoro yellow finish
• Weight: 16.07 kgs / 35.06lbs (XL, tubeless)
• MSRP: £5,299
www.saracen.co.uk / @SaracenBikes

Construction and Geometry

The Myst is available in three sizes, starting in medium and working up to X-large, which is the frame size piloted by the very tall, Matt Simmonds. Reach numbers are 420, 445, and 465mm accordingly, and the bikes are supplied with Saracen's own reach-adjustment headset cups, which allow riders to add an extra 5mm to the cockpit, or reduce it by the same amount. One of the three sizes available should suit most riders. Unlike some DH bikes, the stack height stays exactly the same in every size. The Myst's other useful numbers are a 437mm chainstay, 1.5mm bottom bracket rise, and the wheelbase for my XL size bike with the standard headset cups installed was 1268mm.


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The carbon, single-pivot swingarm drives the shock through a pair of carbon links, which offer precise control over the suspension's leverage curve.

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Fork bump-stops double as entry ports for the internal cable routing.
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Headset cups can be switched to add or remove 5mm of reach.


The frame is finished with fork bump stops that double as cable entry ports into the downtube, as well as internal routing through the swingarm. The brushed aluminum head tube badge is a nice touch and a molded chainstay protector keeps things quiet.


Saracen Myst Team Carbon 2017


Suspension

Saracen has paired the Myst's 203mm-stroke Fox 40 fork with exactly the same amount of travel at the rear axle. The rear suspension features a classic, single-pivot-swingarm that drives a two-piece carbon linkage to achieve the optimum shock and spring rates. Note in the following video that the chain length remains consistent as the suspension cycles through its travel.

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Build

The replica Myst uses all of the same components as the race team: top of the line Fox suspension, Shimano Saint drivetrain and brakes, with Pro components for the cockpit, a Gamut chain guide, and DT-Swiss FR570 wheels.

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Air-sprung Fox Factory 40 fork and Float DHX2 RVS shock.

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Shimano Saint drivetrain and brakes, Gamut chain guide.

Morzine - Paul Aston
Surprisingly lightweight - especially for a British DH bike.

Specifications
Specifications
Release Date Autumn 2017
Price $5299
Travel 203mm
Rear Shock FOX DHX2 Factory / Kashima, SLS Spring
Fork FOX 40 Factory, 203MM, FIT Damper
Headset Saracen off-set, 0mm, +-5mm, +8mm
Cassette Shimano HG500, 10x speed, 11-25T
Crankarms Shimano Saint M825,Shimano Saint M825, 36T, 165MM
Chainguide Gamut P30S
Bottom Bracket Shimano SM-BB80
Chain Shimano HG54
Rear Derailleur Shimano Saint M820 Shadow Plus
Shifter Pods Shimano Saint M820 Rapidfire Plus 1X10
Handlebar PRO DH 7050 DB, 800MM, 20MM Rise, 5º Up, 9º Back
Stem PRO DH, 50MM, DM, 0º Rise, 31.8MM
Grips Saracen Lock-on
Brakes Shimano M820 203/203MM
Hubs Shimano Saint M820 32H Front / Shimano Saint M825 32H Rear
Spokes Double-Butted Stainless Steel
Rim DT Swiss FR570, 27.5" 32H
Tires Maxxis HighRoller II, 42A ST, 2.4"
Seat PRO DH Custom
Seatpost PRO DH Custom / 30.9MM

Morzine - Paul Aston




Three Questions With Simon Wild: Saracen Product Manager


Paul Aston: What do you think are the advantages and disadvantages of a single pivot suspension design?

Simon Wild: A single-pivot simplifies the build of the bike and keeps it stiff. We use the linkages to drive the shock and achieve the desired spring curve and subsequent performance of the suspension. It’s also something that is easier to maintain - important for your average racer that doesn’t have a full factory mechanic preparing bikes for every race run. For us, our preference is single pivot.

Aston: Did you really feel the need to move to a carbon chassis for performance reasons, or was it purely to suit the market demand?

Wild: We went down the performance route, although there is a market demand. Manufacturing complex shapes in carbon is easier than in traditional alloy. It gave us the opportunity to move the shock lower in the frame, while still having the capacity to run larger-volume air shocks. We saved weight, almost 500 grams on the large frame, but engineered the stiffness to be the same as the alloy frame. It was already incredibly stiff and broke a set of test-rig forks during initial stiffness testing. To build a bike at the pinnacle of the sport, carbon gave us the blueprint we needed.

Aston: How much feedback did the team riders give? What was their main focus point to improve the performance of the Myst?

Wild: It’s a development process that has been driven by the team since its first season as a full alloy bike. We went through three versions of the linkages to get the optimum suspension performance, on a curve that works well with basic rear shocks and advanced shocks like the DHX2. We opened the carbon rear triangle just after we switched to the 27.5-inch-wheel format. We spent two full race seasons testing team ideas on geometry, and backing that up with computer analysis and machine testing before we started work on the carbon front triangle. We lowered the center of gravity, mainly by moving the shock lower in the frame – this had its own challenges, with the introduction of large air shocks. The adjustable front center was also part of the team's request to fine tune the bike for different courses. The team has been pivotal in the design of this bike.






The Myst feels superb to ride, it's quiet (except the rattling Saint brake pads, see below) and feels solid at your feet. The sizing was spot-on for me, I rode the XL frame with the +5mm headset cups, just the right amount of space and stability in the cockpit – it's great for a tall rider like me to see a brand investing in an XL carbon mold, which isn't always an option. The carbon frame is stiff and precise at the center with no harsh feelings, with superb traction on off-camber roots and bumps.


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Poised in the air and poised on the steep, it was easy to find a balance on the Myst. It's clear that this bike has been developed closely with riders and engineers together. A tribute to Saracen and Fox - the rear suspension performed well with the low-speed rebound and compression adjustments turned all the way in (I discovered that the 3mm screws were seized). Until they were fixed, I found that I could arrive at a proper feel using only the high-speed dials..


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The Myst has a high level of anti-rise/brake squat which initially deters people as 'the suspension locks up through bumps' which is partially true. But, after doing numerous back to back runs this summer against a Canyon Sender, which has a much more neutral braking characteristic that should allow the suspension to work efficiently when pulling the levers, I decided I prefer more brake squat.

Why? I believe that it settles the bike down when braking in steep sections and preserves the dynamic geometry, after a few weeks on the Myst and practicing braking technique, I found myself using the back brake naturally to sit the bike down before berms, and to change my weight balance for flat corners and long off-cambers. I also feel that the squat drives the back wheel into the ground, creating more grip when braking compared to a neutral set up.


Morzine - Paul Aston
Instead of moaning about the Myst's single-pivot rear suspension not working on braking bumps, I learned to avoid them whilst I was braking.


But, that also means that the suspension can't move as easily. Riding the Myst, I learned not to brake on larger bumps - get out of them, brake before them, after them, whatever - and if you can do that, you won't be moaning on about single-pivot swingarms not working under braking.




Technical Report

• Throttle Grip - Saracen's own brand lock on grips were soft and comfortable in the hand, but the cut outs on the plastic sheath under the rubber allowed too much flex for my liking, almost a like having double moto throttles. They were quickly swapped out with something more sturdy.

• Gamut Guide - The Gamut guide was stellar for weeks and weeks in all conditions, and I like the extra safety of an all 'round bash guard. Although I did have one freak chain loss that was tough to pull the chain back from between the ring and guide.

• Frame Hardware - None of the hardware for the Myst rear axle or shock mounts are bonded into the carbon. Probably a good thing if your ham-fisted like me and like to cross threads, but it did become a little frustrating dropping the bolt receiving hardware every time I removed the wheel or shock.

• Pro Post - I really, really liked Shimano Pro seatpost clamp. The design uses one 5mm hex bolt that doesn't fall out when undone, the spring-loaded clamps open to allow the saddle rails to slot in and out. Probably the most simple, user-friendly post I have found.

• Maxxis DH tires - I assumed all tires with a full downhill casing were tubeless ready, but they're not. The Maxxis High Rollers continually leaked air and sealant through their sidewalls. The HR is a classic performer in soft conditions, but I spent a lot of time on the Myst riding dry hardpack, where I found switching to Minion DHR2 front and rear more confidence inspiring, with more support on the side knobs and improved cornering grip. For mud conditions, I always use Schwalbe's Magic Marys.

• Saint Brakes - Superb brakes, tons of power and great lever feel. My only issue was the Ice-Tec pads rattled incessantly inside the caliper.
Morzine - Paul Aston

Images from Saracen Myst Team Carbon

Morzine - Paul Aston

Morzine - Paul Aston


Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesSaracen's Myst Team Carbon is a racing throughbred - lightweight, stiff and superbly spec'ed. This is an off-the-peg machine that will take you as far as your potential, on any race track. - Paul Aston




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About the Reviewer
Stats: Age: 30 • Height: 6'1” • Ape Index: +4" • Weight: 73kg • Industry affiliations / sponsors: None • Instagram: astonator
Paul Aston is a racer and dirt-jumper at heart. Previously adding to the list of non-qualifiers at World Cup DH events, now he's attacking Enduro and has been since before it was fashionable. Based in the UK, but often found residing between mainland Europe and New Zealand allows him to experience a huge variety of terrains and trails.


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145 Comments
  • 232 2
 I am expecting a shock progression video for every bike test now. That was satisfying.
  • 41 2
 They should have let the air out of the forks too and pushed the feont down at the same time. It would give you a better idea of the action.
  • 70 7
 i like seeing the shaft go deeper into its travel.

wait are we still talking about mountain biking?
  • 11 0
 I want to see one for a Summum. Maybe it'll reveal why they did so well at the worlds...
  • 15 24
flag bigtim (Oct 5, 2016 at 0:51) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: Balls deep?
  • 22 2
 Wow, that's some serious brake jack. Look at how far the caliper moves relative to the rotor when the suspension is activated. Granted, it would be slightly less when the front end is compressed simultaneously. But still, this is precisely why i put a floating brake on my santa cruz bullit back in the day. Using the rear brake immediately turned it into a hard tail. Personally, I prefer non-single-pivot designs so that suspension remains supple under braking.
  • 3 2
 @dfiler: exactly what I was looking on, not the shaft or cranks
  • 2 0
 YES
  • 1 1
 Looks like a fury
  • 2 0
 @Skootur: Cesar Rojo...
  • 2 0
 @dfiler: Brake jack is not always bad - some designs imploy brake jack to a degree to help the rear squat down to get lower, for example this can be an advantage in tight steep corners. of course a high degree of brake jack (like the Kona Stinkeys w/o the Dope system) can be a issue under heavy braking. FYI - I've had Stinkeys and currently on a Glory which is much much better under hard braking
  • 1 0
 I guess the video that explain shock linkage progression is interesting. It should be must in every Bike check demonstration
  • 2 0
 Someone needs to make that video into a gif.
  • 76 12
 I know that a good number of people won't be on board, but I wish Pinkbike did reviews on dirt jump bikes a bit more often. Of course trail and downhill bikes cost more, but it would be nice to get a decent review of a dirt jump bike without having to search through forums to get a well articulated opinion.
  • 35 4
 It's because of a lack of reviews for dirt jumpers that through the years I've ended up owning two dirt jumpers with terrible geometry. Pinkbike is too busy writing 83 articles about the same enduro race to bother with dirt jumping.
  • 11 1
 actually, if they reviewed DJ bikes and 4X/slalom bikes in the same segment, it would also help those who are looking for a bike to satisfy both disciplines. take both type of bikes to dirt jumps and slalom courses and do a comparo.
  • 42 11
 I'd like to see more unicycle and e-bike reviews....
  • 23 3
 @bigtim: as long as it's not an e-unicycle!
  • 5 1
 Agreed... I've got a newfound interest in DJ/Slope and finding any kind of decent reviews is tough. With no experience in that realm and the LBS being completely useless, it's tough to know what bikes are worth considering.
  • 3 2
 @martis: What were those bikes? It will help me know what to avoid LOL
  • 3 2
 I think generally dj bike reviews are deep in the forums and such, reviewed by the people who are on them day in and day out. Also check out psbmx they review dj's and slope bikes
  • 8 7
 @martis: Really? The fact that you bought bikes with geometry you didn't like was Pinkbike's fault?
  • 9 2
 @TheR: I don't think he's blaming PB, but just explaining why dj bike reviews would be useful.
  • 3 1
 @gtrguy: Cove Sanchez and GT LaBomba. Weird, awkward feeling geometry on both of them. Both long since sold. I'm sticking to a BlkMrkt, an NS... the Chromoly P-Bikes have some nice geometry as well.
  • 3 2
 @TheR: Way to read between the lines on that one. No, it's no one's fault. I bought both bikes having found no reviews on either one. A little information might have helped me to not waste my time or money, but I understand that this is a small segment of the market that isn't a marketing priority, as enduro bikes are.
  • 3 1
 @kanioni: Exactly. I don't exactly expect Pinkbike to cater directly to me (although that would be awesome), but yeah... dirt jumper reviews every now and then would be nice. Not all dirt jump frames are created equal.
  • 25 0
 I remember when I first got into riding as a kid and you could get a Saracen full suspension bike from Halfords for a few hundred £££s and they were as entry level as you can get. (Similar to a Wallmart bike to you USA lot).

What a transformation from that to this! Good Job Saracen!

www.preownedcycles.co.uk/images/listings/full_size/2012/08/366.jpg for reference.
  • 14 0
 Before Halfords bought the brand, Saracen were making beautiful mountain bikes for years. My first proper bike was a mid 90's Saracen Kili Team. Loved that thing, until some scrote nicked it from my driveway... I hated what Halfords did to the heritage of the Saracen, and unfortunately there will be a stigma attached to them for a while yet because of it. But I agree it's nice to see them back where they belong.
  • 3 0
 Paul, walmart bikes are WAAAAAAAAAAAY worse than what is seen in that picture. You wanna see the most rotten walmart bike of them all, look up the supercycle hooligan. My god, I have nightmares of that bike to this day.
  • 32 5
 Had to watch the video twice to make sure I hadn't Myst anything
  • 16 2
 Interesting what the author had mentioned about the brake squat. Actually prefering the feel of the bike with a slightly less active braking feel. Its fasinating all the variables that exist with suspenion, and i love reading about it in the usuall high quality pinkbike review style. Lets face it theirs lots of good bikes, but theirs lots of really important differences between those bikes. And i feel the evolution of online websites like pinkbike and vital, are offering a huge advantage over magazines, in that their able to offer incredibly truthfull and critical reviews without having to appease the advertisers to the extent that a magazines does. I love bike mags and it sucks theirs slowly fading but the quality of the content that the two powerhouse mtb sites offer is awesome.
  • 6 1
 I share exactly the same view as the author regarding brake squat. Look at the ih Sunday.

Don't agree about honesty in online media compared to magazines though, what examples makes you form your opinion? Id almost say the opposite is true?
  • 10 0
 Search 'andrextr suspension' on YouTube. He is great at explaining MTB suspension kinematics and the anti squat, brake squat, anti rise ect values and how they affect the ride. Definitely worth checking out
  • 21 0
 I agree Paul has done a superb review here, but i have to disagree to some extent about advertising. Print mags generally get about 50% of their revenue through adverts, but online publications rely 100% on ad sales; so they have more, not less incentive to keep brands happy.

The print mags in the UK at least - MBUK, What MTB,, MBR, and (formerly) Dirt - regularly publish really critical reviews, often comparing products directly to their competitors, and some hand out star ratings which often are unambiguously damning about products which aren't up to scratch (e.g Rockshox' RS-1 receiving a 2-star review in MBUK) . I would suggest it's much rarer to see this kind of tough criticism online.

Just my two cents.
  • 6 0
 @ilikeallwheelsizes: Now that Dirt UK went out of print and publish reviews online, they suddenly seem to have turned into a bunch of hippies. They love these products so much! Then again typical criticism by Dirt used to be that the stem was too long, handlebar too narrow, too little damping, head angle too steep and/or the bike too short. These are less of an issue nowadays.

Personally I don't believe these magazines censor their articles to favor their advertisers, especially the bigger magazines. People will read them anyway. PB would probably survive on a few months without SRAM, but it is SRAM who might get nervous if PB visitors get exposed to X Fusion, Suntour and Manitou suspension ads but not to RockShox.
  • 1 1
 @vinay: Lol, the dirt reviews are still awesome and the best out there. In fact I think this review seems to have some similar ethos.

And they're not all positive at all, have you read the carbon Wilson review? Polygon? Intense m16? They're all pretty negative. You don't really see that on any other website.

When you're talking about magazine censoring are you referring to online mags or paper mags?
  • 1 0
 @russthedog: Yeah, a magazine to me can be online or in print. PB was my fix when Dirt went out of print so I consider PB a magazine. Actually my Dirt subscription automatically turned into MBUK and that was horrible. Too much product testing, too little proper riding. Now I've got Cranked, also print.
  • 15 4
 "Why? I believe that it settles the bike down when braking in steep sections and preserves the dynamic geometry, after a few weeks on the Myst and practicing braking technique, I found myself using the back brake naturally to sit the bike down before berms, and to change my weight balance for flat corners and long off-cambers. I also feel that the squat drives the back wheel into the ground, creating more grip when braking compared to a neutral set up."

The most amount of shit ever written in one paragraph.
  • 12 2
 Glad someone agrees. I usually only ever hear that argument from people trying to justify a purchase after they have spunked more money than sensible. Don't get me wrong, I love single pivots, I own one currently, as well as a 4bar, and have owned many other sp's in the past. I really do love the ride characteristics. But they are shit when on the brakes and thats something you learn to ride around. They can help settle the geometry on steeps, if you suspension is set up so poorly that you need this. But then as soon as you let off the brakes the geo steepens up again just when you dont want it too. In my head this disadvantage more than outweighs any advantage offered. The argument that brake squat "drives the back wheel into the ground, creating more grip when braking compared to a neutral set up." is pure bollocks. 100% class A pure.
  • 8 1
 @gabriel-mission9:

I found that with more brake squat it preserves the geometry in its current dynamic state. When you brake, your body weight will stay closer to the center of the bike (if you set the bike up to balance body weight evenly between the wheels) keeping more weight on the back wheel hence more grip.

With a neutral setup, body weight moves more onto the front wheel when the brakes are applied, leaving less weight on the back wheel hence less grip even though the suspension is free to move. Of course, this could be helped by biasing the suspension rates, but I like to keep a good balance between the wheels.


To test this, I did back to back runs in Morzine against the Canyon Sender with an identical fork setup, bar height and similarly sized frames.
  • 3 0
 @deadmeat25 Care to explain any further?
  • 5 2
 "the myst didnt perform well, so i just got better at biking" 10/10
  • 1 2
 @paulaston: I know the argument about brake squat keeping your weight more central, however I don't think it holds water. I believe it began in moterbike circles, where it makes complete sense, and has been mistakenly carried over to mountainbike dogma. On a motorbike, where the majority of the weight is in the chassis of the bike, so low, and more importantly static, brake squat can really help stop the bike chassis pitching forward too much under rear only braking. However on a mountainbike, the huge majority of weight is contained within the torso of the rider, which is supported on highly mobile limbs which make constant adjustments to counter any weight shift effects that might occur. Yes the brake squat effect will still be there, but (unless your suspension is both undersprung and underdamped) it is tiny compared to the ability of your limbs to do essentially the same thing, in a much more active and adaptable to the terrain fashion. Unfortunately there is very little your limbs can do to counter the other effect of brake squat, which is to reduce the ability of the suspension to keep the rear tyre on the floor, where it can get on with the job of providing traction.
  • 2 2
 @paulaston: Any suggestion that DH bike suspension works best when locked up at any time ever is an insult to logic, i don't have to explain any more than that.
  • 15 2
 Love the look of this bike it looks both flashy and classy at the same time!
  • 8 3
 Yes it looks amazing. It only took them what? Six years? That bike looked like a dog's breakfast up to now. It's amazing what a paint job can do.
  • 1 0
 Bold colour but in a simple pattern, love it
  • 6 0
 My first Saracen looked like this (minus bar ends and bottle cage): www.preownedcycles.co.uk/images/listings/full_size/2012/08/366.jpg

Nice to see the progression!!
  • 9 2
 "Surprisingly lightweight - especially for a British DH bike." WTF is that supposed to mean???
  • 9 1
 Brits are chunky monkeys?
  • 3 0
 Clunky donkeys?
  • 2 0
 I think he means that British DH bikes are not lightweight.
  • 1 0
 Only other brit dh bike i can think of is the Orange, which I guess is heavy?
  • 7 0
 Golly gosh that's a wonderful looking bicycle.
  • 3 1
 Hey Pinkbike/bike builders! Whenever you're showing off a new bike suspension design you should always include a gif/video of the stroke, like you've done in this lovely review. There's nothing I like more then watching the nice, slow, unsprung stroke of a new suspension set up... mmmm yeahhhhhhhhhh. Shit will get me out of bed in the morning.
  • 6 2
 "Surprisingly lightweight - especially for a British DH bike."

What dies this mean?
  • 9 1
 It's not an orange dh rig
  • 1 0
 @fatduke: thanks!
  • 3 1
 That moment when your coworker looks over and finds you with your headphones like an idiot watching a video of a bike suspension being pushed into its travel... the look the give you is both funny and worrying.
  • 4 1
 "I also feel that the squat drives the back wheel into the ground"

Brake squat by definition _does not_ drive the back wheel into the ground.
  • 3 1
 Want a Saint front brake because I weigh as much as a horse, and can no longer stop using people brakes like when I was a teen.
  • 1 0
 Your comment made my day Smile
  • 2 1
 A DH BIKE could have 2 rear brakes...one on the frame and other on a floating brake... One that would squat and other that would anti-squat...so you could use them at the right moment
  • 2 1
 Glad I'm not the only one whose bike sounds like a drumset because of pads rattling in a Saint's caliper. The stock set never made a sound though
  • 3 1
 That rear brake internal routing would annoy me no end
  • 1 1
 No sound from using Truckerco's aftermarket pads.
  • 1 0
 @russthedog: yeah, completely pointless to run inside the frame for less than a foot. Even if you value form over function, by the time you notice the sleek line of the internal routing, the brake line pops out again. I hate internal hydraulic line routing in general, but this one in particular just seems to be done to check a box on the design spec list: "full internal routing, regardless of the maintenance difficulty added"
  • 2 2
 "My only issue was the Ice-Tec pads rattled incessantly inside the caliper."
The only Solution is buying the older pads for Saint BR-M810 (compatibility issue free). From my experience they are also more powerfull.
  • 2 1
 Cool review! Love a good single pivot, Gambler and a Mega in my shed. Curious to hear how those pedals go Paul?
Haven't seen any reviews out on them yet
  • 4 0
 Ariel carbon pleaasee
  • 1 0
 Only 6'1" and he's comfortable on the XL and he added 5mm with the cups? What about if you're over 6'1"? Guess you're kinda left hangin.
  • 6 3
 if youre over 6'1", youre a giant and you have no business riding a bike.
  • 1 0
 @lyophilization: shit, I'm 6ft4".
  • 1 0
 @lyophilization: Yep, that's when you take up basketball.
  • 6 3
 slick whip
  • 3 1
 who sells them on this side of the pond? Geez that's a beauty!
  • 3 1
 Awesome no pedal kickback in that vid.
  • 5 1
 Yeah, that's some serious brake jack. Lot's of bikes are equally bad but this review just had an awesome video demonstrating it. Please include suspension actuation vids with all reviews!
  • 1 0
 No mention of where those trails are. Any ideas? Especially interested if they're in the UK but i doubt it.
  • 2 0
 The trees look like a classic British insidious woodland, but who knows.
  • 1 0
 Possibly Aston Hill Bike Park?
  • 1 0
 @flyingpig75: Nah, not Aston, i used to ride there a lot.
  • 1 0
 @expat-taff: looks like Surface to Air to me
  • 1 0
 Can anybody find information about the BB height and the standover height of this bike? I can't find it. Thanks!
  • 4 5
 Why do they put the front brake on the right and the rear on the left? Just curious i noticed it on here then went to their page and its like that on every bike.
  • 15 0
 That's the standard way to run brakes in Australia, England etc.
  • 11 1
 Ever ride a motorcycle?
  • 4 2
 Around here... you'll find Moto guys sometimes run "backwards" too...to match their moto
  • 12 1
 @loopie: it's not backwards . . . . . Smile
  • 3 1
 @MX298: lol...fine. Opposite then...hehe
  • 9 0
 Driving on the left, you can indicate to turn right with your hand (across traffic) and still use the rear brake, i think thats what its down to. Also that way round is better because 'Inger-lund.
  • 22 0
 @pbuser2299: I was taught--Brits & Commonwealthers drive on the left, left hand braking so y'all have easy access to your swords for jousting and such. Whereas Yanks have it reversed so it makes going thru McDonald's & Taco Bell much easier...is that right?!
  • 5 1
 @farmerjohnscuz: True, it makes it easier to kill our enemies, but when you wear your broadswords scabbard on the left as most of us do, it makes getting off our bikes/war horses on the right hand side tricky, everything gets tangled up, therefore we like to get off to the left, onto the pavement.
  • 2 0
 @farmerjohnscuz: It was because Napoleon was left handed and forced his army to follow suit that's why the French and those who (historically) don't like the Brits are on the right (wrong) side of the road. As for Drive throughs, it doesn't matter where you are as long as your car was intended to be driven on whichever side and the steering wheel is opposite.
  • 3 0
 @djm35: us Yankees shift (manual transmission) with our dominant hand and steer with our left. Odd?
  • 3 0
 @MX298: My previous comment was in relation to horses and which hand the sword was held in. As for shifting and steering it really makes little difference (especially with modern vehicles) which hands are used, as it's all about whatever you start and learn with. Also, there is a general difference in American and European roads and how straight and narrow they tend to be. Over here we have lots of narrow, bendy roads, so having the dominant hand steering sort of makes sense.
  • 4 0
 @pbuser2299: When people carried Swords on horseback there were no pavements.
  • 3 0
 @farmerjohnscuz: Although I'm from the states, I'd certainly prefer a lively round of car jousting to a trip through the McDonalds drive-thru.
  • 3 0
 @farmerjohnscuz: Hey I take offense to that! Burger King is way better.
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 I had one a few years back. Awesome bike for sure
  • 1 1
 I ve seen one in the fleah and it was nice. Question I have is ate they dh casing High rollers or standard???
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 As an interviewer, if I asked "what are the pros and cons of single pivot" and the interviewee only gives me pros, I'd reply with "and the cons? And by the way thats question #2/3 and you've now wasted 1/3 of your marketing opportunity, nice work idiot"
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 release date Autumn 2017 ?????? good luck waiting !
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 if 5,299 were in $ I would say it is perfect..Wink
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 Headset cups are worrisome to me, but never took a close look at them.
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 didn't add any of the negatives of single pivot designs that you can quite clearly see in the video
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 All DH tires are tubeless? They can run tubeless until they leak... so they are not tubeless.
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 Does it come stock with front schwalbe and rear maxxis tires?
  • 1 1
 That suspension video is pleasing to my eye
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 Can we see that travel video again with the back brake on please?
  • 2 1
 35lbs carbon. hmmmm...
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 Why bother reviewing this if they are only making 50? Should have been the pro model that more people can actually get (and afford)
  • 2 1
 Holy brake jack.
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 huh?
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 My eyes mysted over when i read this positive review...
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 Nice looking DH rig in 27.5. Ready to see DH 29er! Come on now, I know someone has that proto out there somewhere
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 Intense are prototyping a 29'er version of the 951.
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 Ooo neg props? I'm just saying the 29 er would be something new and possibly exiting for some taller riders. A lot more than one degree slacker head angle, 5mm shorter CS and 10mm longer reach formula that's been added to every bike reviewed this year...
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 @sjdeweese: Typical pinkbike, I got neg'ed for stating a fact. I don't understand how anyone can be offended by this?
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 @freerideglory: Those photos are from 2009. Where's the bike?
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 @truffy: Kept snapping because it's a 951 so I'd imagine they gave up.
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 The McBike.
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