Schwalbe Releases New Lightweight Aerothan Tubes

 Those new tubes are 100% recyclable - what do you mean?

 Are you sure?
www.nukak.es/en/179-innertube

 I'm curious now, as this is a thermoplastic you probably can't use the same vulcanizing patches you'd use on butyl or latex tubes. But can you now patch a tube with with a hot iron (with a piece of baking paper between iron and patch with tube)? Probably hard to do on the trail but seems like a breeze to do at home. No messy glue, just work with a patch of the same material or even the remains of an old similar tube.

Going even further, what if the sidewall of a tubeless tire is made of this material. Can you then fix a puncture on the trail with a portable soldering iron? It wouldn't work with the tube (as the material would curl away when it gets hot) but this doesn't go for a tire so it would seem like a convenient way to fix a puncture out on the trail. Unless the escaping air keeps blowing the molten material away of course.

 @vinay: I'm not buying a new multi tool unless it comes with a portable soldering iron

 Yep, I and the guys I ride with all still use tubes since having tried and hated tubeless. Stinky messy business that makes your tires mouldy in the winter and adds too much weight to the bike. We'd far rather have nice light tubes and fix the occasional puncture the old fashioned way. Tubeless has an application but not for the riding we do, just unnecessary as we aren't blasting jagged rock gardens and hucking to flat on every ride.

 @landscapeben:

Ok boomer... enjoy your tubes and Motorola StarTac.

 I ride with tubes in my mountainbike tires too.

 Yep, tubeless is an expensive, messy hassle. That looses too much air on every ride.
£3 for an inner tube that NEVER burps, no mess, change it in 5 mins when I puncture like once every few years............
Oh an no need for expensive tyre inserts

Oh an Gen X BTW

 @nojzilla: My tubeless tyres hold air just as well or better as tubed tyres. If I don't touch the bike for days the tyres barely loose any pressure, and both of my tyres are full of small holes that the sealant sealed.
Tubeless is only messy if you have no idea what you're doing. If you do have some idea what you're doing (tubeless is not exactly rocket science, even though some people act like it is) then it's easy, simple, and works amazing.

Tubeless isn't expensive either. Nowadays any kind of half decent rim is tubeless compatible. Wheels and complete bikes usually come with tubeless tape installed. 90% of decent tyres are tubeless ready. You just buy sealant and valves (if the valve wasn't included) and you're good to go.

I don't think you know what tyre inserts are for and what they do.

It's perfectly fine if you run tubes, you can do whatever you want. But i'm fairly sure your negative experiences can be traced back to user error, and I don't think you fully understand what tubeless does and how it works. Same for the comment above. Tubeless adds weight? What?

 @HollyBoni: Not all tubeless is equal. I could see a situation where a group of riders don't know that Stan's or Orange Seal are THE ONLY options, and/or they tried to convert a shitty rim that has a sharply rounded trough where the Stan's type tape is never going to stay put without wrinkles. In that case, Gorilla tape is the only solution I'm aware of, but it is thick so can also result in the tire being nigh impossible to mount. Then there is the issue of getting the air in fast enough by removing the valve core and having a tubeless tank or air compressor. Not everyone knows those tricks. There are some details for tubeless to work correctly, and if you don't have the right parts the first time you try it, may the Lord have mercy.

 @FatSanch: Yep, like I said, user error. Do 10-15 minutes of research, and don't complain if ghetto solutions don't work. Simple as that. I'm not trying to be a dick, but I do believe a lot of negative tubeless experiences come from user error and/or laziness, but it's so easy to do things correctly. You can pinch a tube while installing the tyre with tyre levers, but then don't say that tubed tyres suck, they're so hard to install.

An air compressor is not necessarily needed, but it makes life easier. Again, you just need to know the right techniques, which is easy because all the information you'll ever need is two clicks away. Put in a tube then break one side of the bead, or pull up the bead of the tyre into the bead of the rim. Done.

 @HollyBoni: My tubeless experience,
Sun ringle' tubeless ready 29 wheel set on my trail/XC bike with Stans fluid an Maxxiss TR tyres, Minion/H'roller combo.26-32psi depending on conditions
9 months. Front was fine, rear would loose around 20psi EVERY ride. would hold pressure fine while the bike was stationary. so no faulty parts or seals. Only explanation, burping like crazy.....

want to change tyres at a race for changing conditions? 5 mins with tubes or a messy hassle with tubeless

inner tube £3.... not all wheels come tubeless ready. an I tend to custom build my own wheels so ADD the cost of the tubeless parts

I know what inserts are for thanx, and |I understand fully how tubeless works. I've been a shop mech a couple of times in my life but,

Thanx for your passive aggressive reply though x

for me personally.......
tubeless just doesn't have any advantage over tubes when I know how to set up tubes correctly an ride with the right tyres an good PSI for the conditions, an also a good few tricks for running tubes without punctures

 @nojzilla: I rarerly ever burp, other than on the first ride after I install a tubeless tyre.

If you lost 20psi on every ride, then yes, something was faulty. If every tubeless setup burped that much, then no one would run tubeless.
If you burp, it's clearly visible on the tyre, you'll see a bunch of sealant on the side of the tyre and on the bead at a very specific spot. Did you notice anything like that?

I reckon I could easily change a pair of tubeless tyres in 10 minutes without making a mess, and I could re-use most of the sealant. If you make a mess, the problem is you.

It's a nice flex, but being a shop mech means nothing. I worked as a mechanic too, it was my first job ever! I started to work on my own bikes in the first place because when I took my bike to a shop, the "professional mechanics" did such a piss poor job.

If you buy a wheelset nowadays above let's say €150, it will be tubeless ready 90% of the time. I see tubeless ready wheels on entry level MTBs all the time (not talking about Walmart bikes). If you spend the money and time on building a custom wheelset, then I guess you'll use half decent rims, and any half decent rim is tubeless compatible. Tape is dirt cheap, barely more expensive than regular rim tape. Tubeless valves are dirt cheap. If you buy any kind of decent MTB tyre, it's tubeless ready. 473ml of Stans sealant costs €10-15 and it will last you for a long time. Buy a syringe at the local drug store for €1 to avoid making a mess and you're good to go. I just don't see how tubeless is so expensive, especially compared to how much bikes and other bike parts cost.

PSI does nothing against stuff like thorns. Both of my tyres have at least 15 small holes that the sealant sealed. I've pulled thorns out of my tyres multiple times and just kept on going. When it comes to bottoming out, you can run the right PSI for the terrain but shit happens and you might still pinch flat.
Personally I see no good reason to run tubes on a modern mountain bike. There are more negatives than positives.
Feel free to use tubes, I just hope people that are thinking about going tubeless don't read these negatives comments and get the wrong impression. When someone asks about tubeless on a forum or facebook, there are like 30 positive replies about tubeless, but there are always those 1 or 2 guys who say "tubeless is messy, expensive" etc...

 @HollyBoni: I think part of what contributes to the "expensive" image of tubeless is all the tubeless specific gear that is hitting the market these days. Compressors, tubeless tire boosters or pumps with a pressure tank. All options more expensive than the simple cheap old pump you've been using for years. Sealant injectors, different pluggers (some of which can be quite expensive too), "special" tire levers when you've been swapping tires with your bare hands for years. It sure does give the impression that it is expensive to get into it. No, I'm not going to argue with you as I know you're correct. Just meant to say that for a newcomer seeing all this fancy tubeless specific gear it may be off putting.

I personally have never really ridden tubeless so I'm not going to make any claims here. May 2008 I assembled my current bike and moved from using latex tubes to ProCore and for me it is perfect. I'm not the kind who bothers to try everything that's around to know and claim what's best. But for me it works really well as it is now. Installation and tire swaps is a breeze, can run really low pressure in the tire and no risk to damage the tire doing so. Only downsides I've had is when a thorn punctures both tire and tube. The tire seals but the tube deflates. And as I run quite low pressures in the tires, the lack of support from the tube causes the tire to burp in corners and some landings. So I'm using sealant in the tubes too now, I trust this will solve that last issue. Oh, and previous issue was that the two-way ProCore valve sucks as you can't clean it out. Soon enough I started to use a regular tube and a separate valve for the tire with the airguide over it. Valve holes are four spokes apart. I'm happy the way it works now. Never had to resort to any special pump, tire lever or anything. Though fair enough, the bottle of sealant for the tube did have a sealant injector integrated in the nozzle.

 @HollyBoni: I mean I just converted my gravel bike to tubeless last night in under ten minutes with just my floor pump and that was with having to swap out the first valve because I chose one that was too long to properly seal with the rim, not a drop sealant on the floor or me.

 @HollyBoni: if parts where faulty why did the wheels hold air when the bike was stationary and only loose psi when being ridden?

OH an tubless is so great riders carry a TUBE for BACK UP.............

 @nojzilla: For example maybe the tyre fit too loose on the rim, and it burped too easily, but still held air fine when the bike was stationary.

If you don't think that something was faulty, then do you think it's normal for a tubeless rear tyre to lose 20psi each time you ride your bike?

This is what it looks like when a tyre burps, and if you keep riding, a bunch of dirt will stick to the sealant:
forums.mtbr.com/attachments/fat-bikes/921594d1410106995-my-tubeless-leaks-suggestions-tubeless.jpg

Did you see anything like this? Did you notice that you're loosing sealant at an alarming rate? Did you try to diagnose and/or fix the issue, or just kept losing 20psi on each ride for 9 months straight, then switched back to tubes and started leaving comments that tubeless sucks?

 @nojzilla: And yes, tubeless is great. But shit happens, sealant can't fix everything, and sometimes you can't fix an issue out in the field. Of course I carry a backup tube (haven't had to use it in ~4-5 years tho). Why is that a big deal? Who said that tubeless is a 100% bulletproof?

You are starting to come up with dumb arguments.

 @HollyBoni: For example maybe the tyre fit too loose on the rim, and it burped too easily, but still held air fine when the bike was stationary....something never happens with tubes

If you don't think that something was faulty, then do you think it's normal for a tubeless rear tyre to lose 20psi each time you ride your bike?.....no obviously I don't think it's normal, think it's pretty shit. Have you NEVER heard of riders burping tyres?

And yes, tubeless is great. But shit happens, sealant can't fix everything, and sometimes you can't fix an issue out in the field. Of course I carry a backup tube (haven't had to use it in ~4-5 years tho). Why is that a big deal? Who said that tubeless is a 100% bulletproof?.... err you, I quote "I rarerly ever burp, other than on the first ride after I install a tubeless tyre."

TUBES NEVER BURP

You are starting to come up with dumb arguments... what ever :'D

 @nojzilla: No, tubes never burp. But they don't repair themselves either when a thorn punctures them, and they pinch flat more easily than tubeless, and you can't repair them with a simple plug. Like everything, both systems have their positives and negatives. Tubeless isn't perfect, but tubes aren't perfect either. (I asked who said tubeless is a 100% bulletproof, and you quoted me saying I rarely ever burp tyres. If I rarely ever burp tyres, that means tubeless is a 100% bulletproof? Umm, what? Where is the connection there? )

However, burping so much that you lose 20psi per ride is not normal at all. Yes, i've heard about people burping tyres, and i've burped tyres myself. But again, 20psi per ride is not normal. Burping should be something that only happens once in a while, and even when it happens, you shouldn't lose 20psi.

We can continue arguing for days. You didn't answer if you tried to diagnose and/or fix your issue like adding more tape to make the fit of the tyre tighter. But you didn't even answer if you actually seen evidence of burping, so who knows what the issue really was. You just started writing in caps and kept repeating that tubes never burp. Very intelligent.

This is just another example of user error. Maybe tubeless tyres should come with an IQ test?

Good luck in life!

 @nojzilla: speak for yourself, I don't carry a tube as backup... I carry a tire plug set and haven't had to use it in literally years. Never made it more than a few months without needing to fix a flat tube.

It's cool, you guys like 8-track players and velour tracksuits... the world needs luddites too I guess.

 @landscapeben: If going tubeless has added weight to your bike then you're doing it wrong!