Scott Releases 160mm Patron eMTB with an Integrated Shock

Sep 6, 2021
by James Smurthwaite  

Integrated batteries, integrated computers, integrated lights, eBike design is all about seamless combinations at the moment and Scott claims to have created "the new integration benchmark" with a 160mm travel eMTB called the Patron eRide that has been designed with a hidden shock.

Concealed shocks are nothing new for Scott after its new Spark took the blueprint of Bold's enduro bikes and shrunk it down into a cross-country-sized package. That bike definitely turned heads earlier this year and its release is currently the third most-read story of the year on Pinkbike but it also seems to work out on the trail too as the bike has already claimed its first World Championships gold medal under Nino Schurter. We also reviewed the trail version of that bike a few weeks ago and called it "a tech climber's dream machine".
Scott Patron eRide Details

Frame material: Carbon
Intended Use: Trail/enduro
Travel: 160mm front and rear
Wheelsize: 29" front and rear
Motor and battery: Bosch's Performance CX, 750 Wh battery
Price: From €5,999
More Info: scott-sports.com

Now, Scott is hoping to prove that the same technology will be just as impressive on a longer travel bike with a motor and battery. The Patron is designed to sit between the Genius eRide and the Ransom eRide as a long-travel trail bike but it also has a bigger battery than both so should be more suitable for longer rides too.

Features

The Patron eRide uses similar technology to the Spark but in a totally different way. Rather than the shock being placed vertically in the seat tube, the shock now sits horizontally in the top tube. The linkage design has also changed from a single pivot with flex stays to a four-bar design on the Patron. The shock can be accessed by removing a plastic cover underneath the top tube.

The integrated Fox Nude shock is accessed via a removable panel.

Much like on the Spark before it, creating space is the name of the game here. The Patron has room for a large water bottle in the front triangle and it also means the motor can be mounted exactly how Scott's engineers wanted - more on that later.

The final thing to note about the shock is that it can be locked out thanks to TwinLoc, which is controlled from the handlebar. Yes, with a motor control, dropper post, gears and brakes this creates a cockpit that looks like a bowl of carbonara but thankfully most of the cables are routed into the one-piece bar and stem and ushered directly to their respective components, which definitely helps to reduce the clutter.

Scott doing Scott things.

Electronics

Scott is using Bosch's Performance CX motor that provides 85Nm torque and up to 340% assistance. The big difference here is that Scott has rotated the motor by 46° so it now protrudes into the front triangle with the frame supporting it from underneath. Scott claims that this improves the stiffness and protects the motor from impacts but it also helps with cooling too as the top part of the motor sits in the open air allowing heat to escape through the holes in the cover like a chimney.

Scott rotated the motor 46 degrees for this unique, cradled mounting.

To go alongside the motor is a 750Wh battery in all sizes that allows for up to 100km distance or 2000m of elevation on eco mode or half that if you select the Turbo mode. There's also a removable Kiox 2" display to keep you updated on all the key figures including speed, GPS and cadence.

The electronic integration continues thanks to the seatstay lights that are powered by the battery. A cable is already routed, and a plug already mounted on the handlebar for a
front light

With integrated lights and a fender, the details are well thought out on the Patron frame.

Geometry

Scott describes the 160mm travel Patron as "close to an enduro bike" and that is reflected in the geometry too. The bike has a 65° head tube angle, which means it is actually steeper than both of Scott's other eMTBs depending on BB setting and spec. There's a seat tube angle of around 77° on all sizes of the Patron and a reach of 473.6mm in a size large, which makes it comparable to the Ransom. Unlike Scott's other eMTBs, there's no geometry adjustment on the Patron


Pricing and availability

The Patron will be available in 7 different versions - 2 women's versions with the Contessa Patron 910 (€5,999) and 900 (€7,699), followed by 5 men models starting with the Patron 920 (€5,999), 910 (€6,599), 900 (€7,699), 900 Tuned (€8,699) and finishing with the Patron 900 Ultimate (€10,999). The Patron eRide will start to be delivered to shops by November 2021, with further models available in 2022. Pricing might vary according to currency, please reach out to your local Scott contact for further information.


More info, here.


265 Comments

  • 204 3
 not sure it has enough wires/cables...
  • 118 4
 My left thumb is exhausted just looking at all those levers and buttons it's responsible for.
  • 187 3
 Hide the shock but put 20 things on the handlebar instead.
  • 30 14
 @Davec85: total failure, wth were they thinking
  • 25 3
 @dvcpinkbike: they were on tequila shots, many Patron tequila shots.. now you know.. you are welcome
  • 99 1
 @heyjohnp: Me in 2010: Finally no front shifter so I can have a simple cockpit.

Scott in 2021: Bitch you thought?
  • 9 1
 @heyjohnp: Agreed. And I see myself hitting the wrong one and crashing...set it and forget it is my moto.
  • 29 1
 @Davec85: They forgot to add remotes for all clickers (front fork: HSC LSC HSR LSR; Rear shock: HSC LSC LSR HSR and bottom out)
  • 38 5
 But it isn't just as simple as they do it as it creates more money to fix... Firstly bikes like this usually come with a warranty, so it comes out of SCOTT's pocket to fix it. Secondly even if it didn't, bikes like this are only going to hurt sales, because apart from the few rich folk that don't know how or can't be bothered to maintain their bikes, everyone else would rather just buy a bike that they can fix and can adjust on the trail or at home to suit their taste. Even normal with stems and bars it can be a faff deciding where you want it and finding the ideal spot...I don't want SCOTT telling ne what they thing is the ideal hand position for me, or setting up the shock and hiding it out of sight making it a faff for me to tune the shock to my liking for different trails. I think SCOTT has this sci fi fantasy idea in their head that the future is all simple and integrated...we don't want this. I bet most people would rather have multiple shock mount positions, adjustable head angles and chain stay lengths, than a bike that looks like it has been made in one pice in an injection mold. TESLA has the same problem, I don't want frigging touch buttons to turn on the indicators in my car, or completely electronic steering where I can't feel the grip I have from my tyres. I want tactile feedback, not all this simplicity crap that is actually complex crap for dummies and costs more to fix for the sake of aesthetics.
  • 30 2
 What an ugly looking thing. Yuk. Ebikes frighten me enough on the trial creeping up on me from nowhere and now they add this abomination. Sorry Scott it’s a no from me.
  • 1 0
 @nwtoney55: that’s on the 2023 model
  • 19 2
 @heyjohnp: who needs lockout on e-bike?!
  • 4 0
 @m4tth3w: Your like Tom MacDonald spitting out truth!
  • 21 1
 Enough with the remote lockouts for forks and shocks. Especially on an Enduro ebike. God I hate those things with a passion. Added complexity. Proprietary suspension. Cluttered cockpit. This is totally useless outside of racing cross country. When is Scott gonna learn that their twin lock is more trouble than it’s worth.

It’s a hard pass whenever I see remote lockout clutter on a handlebar.
  • 4 0
 @Danzzz88: "it comes out of SCOTT's pocket to fix it" ...not always true, the labour usually comes at the cost of the bike shop. Frown
  • 5 0
 where are the turn signals?
  • 1 0
 @dvcpinkbike: i think they're just trend chasing the spark and not paying attention to anything else
  • 1 0
 Is this one of those e-SUV ebikes?!
  • 2 0
 @dmitri6: prepare for the 2022 discussion on increasing e-bike battery range and decreasing carbon dioxide (energy production) with 0.0002% by using mandatory lockouts.
  • 132 6
 SCOTT is too obsessed with integration, all for the sake of doing something different and trying to make a cleaner looking bike. Trouble is integration is a pain in the ass, why would you want a fixed stem and bar you can't adjust just to hide a few bolts, why would you want your shock tucked out of site where you can't easily access the adjusters. Why would you want lights integrated that put out 10% the lumens of aftermarket ones. Why would you want a bike that is more difficult to work on and eventually will look like a cheap plastic toy bike from China. No one with a brain wants any of this, only those with money and no brain want it.
  • 67 3
 If you were Scott which customer would you go for? the one who wants to fix it all themshelves to save a few bob or the one with "money and no brain" who will pay you lots of money and contunue to pay you lots of money to maintain it and buy spares? it's unfortunate but it's the market e-bikes appeal to.
  • 24 1
 Hearing Mike Kazimer describe changing a headset spacer on one of those stems, which took quite a bit of time, really puts the nail in the coffin for me on that design.
  • 2 1
 and it will get old with the brainless quick. total and utter waste of someone's working hours, they should've given them a paid leave instead.
  • 4 1
 @maglor: that actually makes a ton of sense.
  • 6 3
 They only put these one-piece combos on their top models, whose customers can afford a mechanic. I see that the setup of stem height, sag, volume spacers, etc. is a bit more annoying but honestly, how often do you change these things after the initial setup?
  • 6 12
flag baca262 (Sep 6, 2021 at 8:19) (Below Threshold)
 @JDFF: but that's actually an unfair and globally negative practice, it makes sense only if you want money. if you want a decent product and reduction in pollution it should basically be illegal.

don't be a retard
  • 3 1
 @baca262: I certainly don't support that viewpoint, I'm just pointing out that if Scott is trying to maximize profit, it's a business strategy. That is not good practice in my opinion. I wouldn't buy a Scott either way (or an eeb for that matter).
  • 10 0
 If I put a cover on the bottom of my meta's top tube can I call it integrated too? @_@
  • 1 0
 @Thema: That's what I was thinking too. I would only call it integrated if it were an integral part of the frame. Maybe it goes for the Trek XC fully (though I have not closely looked at how it works). Or when Cannondale made a slopestyle fully by replacing the top tube by a lefty fork. That's integrated in my book. This indeed is that they made a cover to help with overheating the shock.
  • 2 0
 The target market for bikes like this or the same as those who bring their car to the dealer for routine service at an extortionate rate. As with cars the manufacturer decides when to stop supporting the product. In the case of a poor seller that can be a matter of 2 to 3 years, in which case the buyer is stuck with a relic instantly. If I saw one of these at the trailhead I would know instantly which demographic of bike rider rides it. I wouldn't touch this with a 10-ft pole even though I'm the target demographic. I like to work on my bikes
  • 1 9
flag nickmalysh (Sep 6, 2021 at 17:45) (Below Threshold)
 I’d buy cleaner looking rather then easy to service, either with car/moto/bike/ski/whatever equipment you have rely on professional mechanics;

Also when it looks good it rides good
  • 2 1
 @futureearth: i remove bar for any air travel (5 flights/ 10 removals), however this is silly argument since I’m all in for integration bar and stem, since majority just ride as it is
  • 1 0
 @nickmalysh:
Those two things are not mutually exclusive

In cars things like plugs, oil and filters are super easy with certain manufacturers' modern cars. Others even the shop can't figure out many of the problems. I choose cleaner looking and easy service.

My next door neighbor's expensive electric Orbea has been down for 7 months due to the shops inability to not just fix but failure to diagnose.
This is the fate of many e-bikes in the future I'm afraid

If you've seen pink bikes' recent e-bike Roundup you'd see complete failure of a Huck to flat test. Some of these things aren't built for simple mountain riding

I bought two new bikes this year - both have required extensive servicing by me to fix the errors in installation by the factory and or the shop. If they had given them to me in pieces I would have been happy to have assembled them.



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  • 1 3
 @Willikers: I still
Use authorized dealer either for bike or car, why? Cheaper
  • 1 0
 @nickmalysh: well you can't say no to that
  • 4 0
 @nickmalysh: I'm pretty sure professional mechanics prefer serviceability over pain in the arse.
  • 1 1
 @zephxiii: Pretty sure nobody buys a bike becuase it's easier for thier mechanic unless you are your own mechanic, if a professional mechanic is getting paid why do they care if it's a 30min job or 5 hour job, they just charge more if it's a pain. Only thing a buyer might factor in is it might cost more if you're taking it to the shop, just like how modern cars cost more to fix due to all the diagnostics and electronics, if anything Bike shops probably prefer complex intergrated systems as then you have to take it to them rather than having a go at fixing it yourself and that's how they make money as they certainly aint making money on parts now with everyone buying online.
  • 6 0
 @maglor: in a busy shop the more bikes mechanics get done the more money it makes as you implied

A single huge pia job takes that mechanic out of circulation and costs the shop money
  • 2 1
 @Willikers: How? A huge pia job that takes all day should be charged at the same rate as multiple smaller jobs so a mechincs days work should still earn the same sum, if it doesnt then you have a problem with your labour charges not with the bike, i understand people might be resistant to pay more for the same job but that's what they sign up for with an expensive, fancy, intergrated bike so it's on them, not the bike shop, and if these longer jobs mean you have more work than mechanic time then you need another mechinic and that means more earning potential assuming the correct labour charges are applied as stated, how is that bad for shops and mechanics?
  • 3 0
 @maglor: because a lot of customers won't pay it
  • 2 0
 @maglor: also too much time on the phone and holding irate customer
  • 2 0
 @Willikers: well i suspect those customers won't be buying a 6-11k e-bike.
  • 1 0
 @maglor: *hand
  • 1 0
 @maglor: oh they do though

It's the same demographic as expensive cars
  • 1 0
 @Willikers: I agree with you to a certain extent but i'm not sure it's as big a deal as people are making out, the shock cover looks to be toolless, will take a couple seconds so why not have it nicely hidden and the only bit i could see actually cuasing a mechinic a headache (other than normal internal cable routing headaches) is the cables through the stem and spacers but looking at the images there's splits in the parts which could make cable routing easier so without knowing more about the actual assembly design we might be jumping to conclusions.
  • 1 0
 @maglor: well the good news is there are plenty of bikes to choose from

I'm in the Target demographic for e-bikes but the segment isn't mature enough for me yet
  • 76 0
 TwinLoc on an ebike is probably one of the most pointless things I have ever seen
  • 5 0
 If only I could upvote this a million times and send it to Scott’s dev team.
  • 67 0
 Integrated brake lights? I don't want people to know when I'm braking!
  • 42 0
 But braking uphill as you pass someone, and they see it!...that's a whole new level of troll?
  • 43 0
 I'm sure Jolanda Neff would appreciate those on PFP's bike
  • 14 0
 Yeah… i think they forgot to add a place to fix the license plate.. and no reverse gear? Wtf is this thing?
  • 44 0
 e-bike weight/damping + no piggyback + unventilated enclosed space. Sounds like that shock could get a bit toasty?
  • 24 5
 @mashrv1 might be an issue under Brendan Fairclough. But for most people who I’m sure I’ll see riding this, rail trails are pretty smooth — I’m sure the shock will see fairly little action.
  • 2 1
 @Hayek: gotta get that car park test consistency though!
  • 1 0
 @Hayek: any shock would get really hot very quick. Heat is the result of the damping action of any shock. A lap in any bikepark and it would be nice and toasty there.
  • 2 0
 @Hayek: The issue for Brendog with this bike is that for all the integration and extra bits bolted on, there's still nothing to protect squishy femoral areas
  • 2 1
 @Hayek: yeah nah I overheated DPX2's and Super Deluxes on a regular bike on a daily basis hence why I switched to coil, I feel like on an ebike it would be a nightmare...
  • 1 0
 @Hayek: my bomber CR gets noticeably hot even with its reservoir on longer descents, so with the added weight of an e-bike, I can actually see that for some riders not having a piggyback could be an issue
  • 2 0
 @SpencerBaum @theoskar57 @homerjm yeah I know how friction works. It was a joke about the very gentle riding people do on expensive e-bikes on the paved rail trails around places like Park City, UT.
  • 1 0
 @homerjm: absolutely. On wet AF days in the bike park the frame would be covered in wet mud and the shock and calipers would be dry and crusty by the bottom. Didn't really matter what sort of bike was.
  • 42 0
 This bike was made for the comments section
  • 40 3
 Da Fuk is that monstrosity.
  • 9 0
 Yes. Even for e-bike standards this is ugly.
  • 2 0
 I was a fan of their xc bike with the hidden shock, that looked cool. This is overboard and unnecessary. If anything I love checking out which shock a bigger bike is running. Not a fan here.
  • 2 0
 This is so lame, like they had this pointless integration goal oblivious of the actual user experience. Perfect example of industry cooked up sh$t that is so out of touch with the vast majority mountain bikers. This to me is Scott caught with their pants down, your true intentions laid bare and you’ve lost all respect.
  • 32 0
 This kind of marketing driven innovation is just disguisting.

- Long Travel fork with lock out
- undersized rear shock, cooking in its carbon oven.
- Shitload of cables
- nothing can be reached without dismantling this whole abomination.

Who buys these things?

Whoever decided to write the marketing claim "Innovation technology design" on the downtube should be shot on sight. This is not even marketing, just borderline stupid.
  • 12 1
 Honestly, the PB folks got it right: The target group is the same folks who call a carpenter to drill a hole to hang up a picture. Not us analog, fix your own bike folks... someone will pay 10 grand for this moped and just use it on streets and gravel roads.. thus, all the issues you mentioned are really none.. and then you bring it for service every 3-5 month and drop another 500 bucks...
  • 34 2
 Worst bike ever for bike mechanics
  • 27 1
 Not if you bill by the hour!
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: Exactly, it’s maybe a headache for the mechanic but not if you are the guy collecting the bill.
  • 24 0
 batman would be all over this
  • 19 0
 Someone with lots of money will buy this as a "commuter that looks cool that I can also ride on trails". They aren't the core PB commenter bro audience, and probably are not even on here looking at the article. It will be an impulse buy or they will see it in some outdoor lifestyle mag and go out and buy it.
  • 9 0
 Exactly. This thing will ship next season with an Outside Gear Guide “Editor’s Pick” badge on the head tube.
  • 1 0
 @SteepJobs: Article sponsored by Scott
  • 19 0
 Bike for non cyclists, who wants to spend money.
  • 1 1
 Damn bro this some true words right here
  • 13 0
 Will piggy back shock fit with cover open? Can I get this bike for my Grammy! Scott who the heck is this bike targeted to customer wise? You would have to hold me for Ransom before I’d buy it for myself…
  • 7 0
 I predict that it will sell here in Basel.
And since at least 60% of sold models will never ever see any dirt, piggy back shocks are more than unnecessary.

Also, I'm already getting annoyed because most of these bikes will be seen around with that 3€ steel flat pedals
  • 7 5
 90% of E-Bikers (or more) dont even know what a RockShox Yari oder Lyrik is or that there is a performance difference between a shock w and w/o a piggy.
Saw a documentary about e-bikes- the buyers are absolutely clueless.
They dont care and got cash to spare.
  • 2 0
 @pakleni: curious, what's the riding like near Basel?
  • 3 0
 @dirtyburger: We have 2 hills, Gempen and Blauen, and decent amount of trails if you know where to look, but it can't be compared with southern areas. Also, if you have a car and don't mind riding more xc-ish trails, the possibilities are fantastic.
However, we also have 3 proper bike parks in France and Germany within 1 hour of driving.
  • 3 0
 @pakleni: so jealous Blank Stare
  • 4 0
 Where I live, eMTB sales are astronomical but I see many more of them being ridden around the lakes than on the trails. They're just very comfortable bikes for retirees to potter around on.

@NotNamed: A guy I know recently bought one. It has a Rockshox 35 on it but all he knows is that it says Rockshox and that means it must be good.
  • 3 0
 @pakleni: AND.. what kills me on every ebike.. the saddle really low... somehow ebikers ride with their knees close to the chin...
  • 2 0
 @saladdodger: Nonono.. the saddles hight were just fine when they came out from the store. But eventually rear shocks have lost most of their pressure so they all end up riding with 80% of sag
  • 1 2
 @NotNamed: every ebike rider I know is an experienced rider who knows his/her way around bikes and trails. 1/2 my group has ebikes, as well as cool regular bikes. I love watching the judgement from people just because someone likes something they don’t.
  • 1 0
 @trollhunter This was my thoughts as well. "Who the hell put this spec together?!?" I don't know anyone who knows ANYTHING at all about what a 160mm bike should be, who'd buy this!! And WTF would you put a lock out on it for?!? Overly complicated, overpriced, and poorly thought out IMO. Guess the target market is people with more money than brains apparently.
  • 10 0
 “This isn't a steak, why would you call it that on your menu? *sigh* Just give me all the levers and covers you have. Wait, wait... I worry what you just heard was give me a lot of levers and covers. What I said was give me all the levers and covers you have. Do you understand?”
  • 9 0
 Why are you locking out the shock on an E-bike? Is this supposed to help preserve battery life?
Its almost as pointless as making an E-road bike with carbon wheels and an oversized jockey pulley...Oh wait, that exists.
  • 1 1
 There are e-kids-bike with throttle. Imagination may not be the limit.
  • 2 0
 I wondered that one too, maybe there is some weird market out there where they will use 160mm ebikes for commutes or something?
  • 12 0
 @justanotherusername: emtbs are the SUVs of the bike world. Many will never be ridden in the mountains
  • 10 0
 More plastic than my old cbr
  • 6 0
 It’s becoming quite clear bike companies aren’t building emtb’s for mountain bikers. They are building big bulky hideous monstrosities for nerds walking into bike shops with too much money burning a hole in their pocket. Feel like there was half a minute where emtbs we’re starting to look kinda like normal bikes, and then companies realized who the majority of the people were that are buying these things and then went the other direction.
  • 8 0
 ebikes are the powered longboards of the bike world. Facebooglezon dorks riding 'em.
  • 18 9
 I guess pinkbike is a scooter site now?
  • 6 2
 Mopeds baby. the new thing. Call things what they aren't so you can ride them where you shouldn't Wink

It's getting ridiculous at my local trails.
  • 1 1
 I’m just waiting for the electronically assisted toilet paper roll@jcav5:
  • 5 0
 Does anyone else get fantasies about making these kind of bikes actually something you'd want to ride? I mean I could never buy it, but say I won it in a fantasy prize...

- remove the one piece handlebar for an alloy stem and handlebar combo. Source a new headset cover that allows cables through
- remove shock cover and twinlock. Replace with a coil with the reservoir sticking the shock hole
-extend rubber protection on downtube and source a bash guard that extends over the sump
-paint it wrap in a gaudy pattern. If I'm gonna ride an ebike I'm not gonna be shy about it

This busy be what dangerholm feels like
-source a smaller Bosch display and handlebar toggle
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-
  • 3 1
 yeah, I'd just go to a Pole or a Geometron for the money. And adjustability. And value. And sensitivity. And spec.
  • 1 0
 Sell it and buy something else.
  • 6 0
 Prediction: Innovation in the eMTB industry will begin taking the lion’s share of development dollars
  • 1 0
 I would imagine it has already.. I can’t remember giants ebike sales figures but wasn’t it something like 30% already? Might be higher.

Ebikes are huge financial opportunities for companies, chance to go from niche to huge as the world transitions.
  • 7 0
 Just needs a cup holder and a heated seat
  • 3 0
 I'm over these ebikes on trails. My 8yr old son stopped to let one past the other day on a beginner trail and the lame ass rider still managed to slam his handle bar into his hip going full speed. Was already over getting my climbing rythym disrupted. I've stopped pulling over now on uphills, eb!tches can wait till the top!
  • 7 0
 today 1 April?
  • 4 2
 Lighter, Stiffer, Stronger, Goes further, more integrated, lager battery.

I wonder... is it lighter.

Plus. I am sure in the advert that Scott is basically saying their current E-Bike aint that good, come buy the new one.
Well... if it wasnt that good, and I need a new one, I am gonna just buy the other guys awesome one.

I want a smaller battery, smaller motor, lighter bike, that only gives me 100W power boost.
I want it derestricted so when I am on the gas out of a flat out corner it gives me flat out speed+100W.
I dont want it for cruising along the roads and fire roads, I want it light enough to thrown down a hill and feel like an enduro bike that weighs max 38lb.
I want a replaceable motor, so wen I burn it out, its cheap and easy to replace or I can just wing the motor and have a normal bike.

I only want a wee assist on the climbs really if I am honest, not a full assist and anvil to descend down the trails.

How hard can this wish list be.... (I have no idea, I have never designed anything in my life (apart from the last thing I designed)).
  • 3 1
 It isn't that hard to make a bike that hits this wish list, getting the weight down to the point where it feels like a normal bike wouldn't be easy but it would be possible. (you basically described a Spesh Levo SL: www.specialized.com/gb/en/turbo-levo-sl ) The trouble is the actual market of people who buy new bikes at full retail price who want that same setup is miniscule compared to the market of people for whom more is always better with an E bike.

I work for a bike company, we make E bikes and regular bikes, I cannot remember a single customer asking for less power and a smaller battery, we get hundreds of questions about fitting illegal aftermarket motors with thousands of watts of power and questions about how and where people can carry a second spare battery with them though.
  • 1 0
 It sounds like the Lapierre eZesty with fazua motor. Offers just 50nm of torque, up to 250W that can be detuned by app, unfortunatly can't remove the speed restrictor, that I know of, and can remove the battery AND motor to be a 15kg capable bike.
  • 1 1
 @Patrick9-32: it's not a levo. The motor is still too big.
Many people I speak too would like an assist motor. Many with e-bikes use it in trail mode at best and only want the assist.
Smaller and lighter motors are possible, it's just easier development wise to use someone else's tech in your solution. Especially for abundance of spares etc.
  • 5 0
 445mm Reach and 440mm Seat Tube length... Was Snoop Dogg in the room while they were designing this bik... thing?
  • 7 0
 No, otherwise it'd be 420mm all round
  • 1 0
 @mattg95: Can't argue with that!
  • 12 5
 I despise Ebikes.
  • 4 2
 I thought the exact same thing when I saw the photo and headline.
  • 4 2
 I like e bikes but I despise this ebike. My Orbea Rise with coil rear and CC Helm front, though, I love.
  • 1 0
 @Dixonm: I love my crf450
  • 7 5
 Honda CRF250R Motorcycle: $8,000 MSRP, 26 N-M max torque (www.dirtrider.com/story/buyers-guide/2020-honda-crf250r)
Scott e"bike": $7,000 85 N-M max torque (www.bosch-ebike.com/us/products/performance-line-cx#c194287)
These things are looking a lot less like a bike and a lot more like a motorcycle. None of these ebikes should be able to put out more torque and power than Nino Schurter can for 2 hours. If it is really just an assist you want, wouldn't the output of the world champion be enough over a 2 hour ride?
  • 4 0
 don't go making sense, IMBA and our "community" will get mad.


But I agree. this is hilarious. makes no sense.
  • 1 0
 If its got fairings then its more moto than mtb.
  • 1 0
 yeah, sure, horses for courses. the engine has 26n-m max torque, but multiplied by transmissions and unlimited breathability, it can sustain that torque for hours.
I'd love to see you on a E-bike against a CRF. I mean, it would be boring as hell, apart from your suffering. Hell, i'd see how well you would be on a supermoto course with said e-bike. Probably would destroy the time there?

go be close minded in a toilet bowl.
  • 3 0
 It's curious the thinking that decided to create cooling opportunities for the motor, yet fully enclose an air shock where it will struggle to keep cool...those air shocks heat up enuff on hard trails to affect damping.
  • 2 0
 A lot of engineering compromise involved just for aesthetics. Instead of being able to drive the shock directly from the swing link attached to the chain stays, hiding the shock means there needs to be a separate arm to drive it. To drive that arm means it needs a keyed/splined interface to an axle connecting the swing link on either side of the frame, and the swing links also need to be rigidly attached to that axle. And all those interfaces need to be made in a way that withstands significant torque (max load when you bottom out the shock). Unlike normal rocker or swing links which can be made as a single forged/moulded part, hiding the shock means it has to be a minimum of three parts, with the point of connection being at the place experiencing highest torque.
  • 5 2
 For me, this kind of thing is taking away the 'purity' of riding bikes, which is what I love about biking. If this is the future of biking, I'm out!
  • 1 0
 No need to worry then, Scott have been pushing this kind of crap for probably going on 20 years now
  • 4 0
 @mashrv1: I remember drooling over a Genius (the one with the pull shock) many, many years ago, that had approximately 8 levers and cables on the bars. This is just Scott doing Scott things.
  • 4 0
 the perfect do-it-all new school geo fully integrated long travel all day adventure enduro for your journey to k-mart.
  • 5 0
 She's not fat, she's big boned.
  • 1 0
 If you could ditch the TwinLoc, fit a piggyback shock with the cover left off and fit normal bar and stem then I think it would be ok and I might have one.

I’m not a fan of any bike that’s carbon and I also don’t want lights on my bikes but the general silhouette (with the hidden shock) looks better than most ebikes. It’s just when you look close it start to suck.
  • 1 0
 And why do Scott still think that women need their own sized bikes? Haven’t they finally realised that girls come in all shapes abs sizes the same as guys so ‘women specific’ geometry and sizing means f*ck all nowadays?
  • 2 0
 They don't. They stopped making women's specific geometry close to a decade ago . They do however offer a women's color pallet and contact points.
  • 1 0
 If you know anything about trademarks and money, having a separate brand just for that is extremely beneficial
  • 1 0
 This is just dumb, and is an example of what happens when you spend the time doing something without asking yourself if it's worth it. Having three separate levers to control on a bike is just too much. It's funny because they could have just made an extension for the shock control such that it sticks out of the access cover, but apparently they thought it made more sense to add additional levers that will just piss off riders.
  • 3 2
 I like it! I love integrated design, but I also enjoy doing my own maintenance and riding black diamond trails. And I don't feel the need to judge other people based on what or where they ride, or how much money they choose to spend on themselves.
  • 1 0
 It’s ok to call something out. This is a corporation making a wasteful product to sell to gullible humans, so I don’t see how your statement about not judging the consumer is helpful when they become unwittingly complicit.
  • 1 0
 the suspension lockouts maybe make sense on a much lower travel, lightweight xc bike where the rider needs every little bit of advantage and less suspension bob. On a 160mm ebike, unless this suspension platform is horribly inefficient, all these lockout levers just make this more complicated and I would think completely unnecessary.
  • 1 0
 godd things and bad things
Good : 160mm travel ,motor postion , nice looking bike Battery capacity, geometry
BAD: 29" wheels (for me ) excessive bar controls a perfect nightmare ,hidden rear shock with coollng problems for sure and limiting other models if we want, due to space.,One piece Bar and stem ,not for all for sure
Resume With some few touches could be a very nice bike if they listen to experienced riders and not only engineers
  • 2 1
 Hot take:
The vast majority of e-bike buyers are single purchase customers only. MTBers are usually buying new parts, new bikes etc fairly regularly. While it may stay true for MTBers who buy an e bike, don’t expect that from the new customers e bikes are drawing in.
  • 1 0
 so they keep their base of regular buyers and add a new pool of mid-high and buyers as well? Sounds pretty smart to me. Also, people buying e-mtbs often own multiple bikes or choose to bail on regular mtn bikes. Noobs aren’t walking in dropping $7k on a commuter, not even in my buddy’s shop just miles outside one of the wealthiest parts of the country.
  • 5 0
 This thing is such an abortion, you can't ride it in Texas anymore.
  • 1 0
 Better price than most other competitors... fox high models...shimano brakes...a ebike design , not a bike with engine,

The turnup of the engine is very smart,

No way, this is the present/future standards of ebikes, integration, more similar to motobikes because if you have a source of energy, why not use for lights and garmins.

Ebikes are not bikes, i have a bike and a ktm motorbike and i'm happy but i want an ebike
  • 1 0
 since when Scott will read all of this ?they dont care ..unless they dont sell the bikes ,therre maybe they read and listen what they did wrong but this will not happen cause they will have the stock sold off
So you buy it or not with the wrong things to a user/biker/sheep point of view The bike industry are the ones that know what we need Point !
  • 4 0
 8 button/ levers for your left thumb. Interesting!
  • 13 9
 Thought this is a site about mountain biking
  • 2 4
 Outdoor welcomes all types...
  • 4 2
 is that all you got?
  • 1 1
 @TimRidesBikes: including my crf450? cause hot damn it's fun to ride on single track
  • 4 0
 Paying for Kashima and hiding it? It makes no sense
  • 2 0
 Good name:

With all that integration, you’re guaranteed to be a Patron of your local bike shop / mechanic anytime something needs work
  • 1 0
 Mechanics will love your money!
  • 2 0
 I think Scott should include some sort of "shockwiz" if they are going to integrate it hahha... but yeah, not everyone's (99% of riders it looks like) cup of tea. haha
  • 2 0
 At the forefront of innovation with carbon material, integrated battery and suspension, blah, blah. Can't spell "metre" correctly.
  • 2 0
 Bike manufacturers should stop building all these big E-bikes. It's killing the sport. Trails get way to crowded with people that don't wanna get tired on E-bikes.
  • 2 0
 Pinkbikers: E-bikes are too ugly.
Same pinkbikers: Damn that Scott e-bike specifically designed to be good looking is too fancy.
  • 4 0
 Looks like a Transformer
  • 8 0
 Decepticon
  • 11 8
 As if riding a moped wasn’t embarrassing enough.
  • 4 1
 I mean it does look pretty decent tho. For an e-bike anyways.
  • 2 1
 Just wished that manufacturers focused more on on restocking traditional bikes rather than switching more production to ebikes, but I get it, it is where the money is now.
  • 2 0
 Anyone know what the wire going into the (wireless) AXS rear mech is about?
  • 1 0
 The AXS rear mech is powered by the big battery of the e-bike so you don't have to charge it separately.
  • 2 0
 patron is a good name cause you would have to be drunk to think that thing looks good
  • 1 0
 I read it as Patreon and figured it was a fitting name as well
  • 4 1
 Please Scoot hide the fork too...
  • 5 2
 Blah blah blah moped blah blah blah
  • 2 0
 Triathlon bike cable routing! Mechanics worst nightmare! Nice job Scott making simple things complicated
  • 1 0
 If we go on with this kind of integration will be ever harder fix the bike by yourself... And with ebike this will be 10x harder!!
  • 3 0
 Terrbile stuff going on at the Scott headquarters these days.
  • 3 0
 Next up: turn signals, a fairing, and a license plate holder
  • 1 0
 Jesus scott, make a bike other than the gambler thats actually good please? i didnt include the Bold(spark) bike because its not your design.
  • 3 0
 It's got lights, just needs indicators.
  • 3 0
 Plus kickstand and front basket
  • 1 0
 it's as if.... it's almost.... a moto.....
  • 2 0
 @RockyMountainBicycles Please release the new power play. I can't handle all the other ebike news these days.
  • 1 1
 SCOTT tries to push the boundaries on design and innovation and everyone complains. Look at the larger picture here peeps, this is step forward in bike design when looking at the long run. Just ahead of its time.
  • 1 0
 I’d have to see it in person, looks fairly bulky which is the opposite of what I feel the USA bike community has interest in… Brake/tail lights or a factory headlight=NO
  • 1 0
 Anyone else notice how much the underbelly sticks out from the front chainring? Looks like a smashed frame waiting to happen.
  • 1 0
 Who ever designed this you are a moron, just because the intigrated shock worked on the supercaliber and the spark does not mean it works on an ebike.
  • 1 0
 Clearly the handle bars put that dent in the wall. Even concrete isn't strong enough for this monster.
  • 2 0
 Shock hide and seek is the new game
  • 2 0
 Definitely doesn't look like a motor bike
  • 2 0
 A home mechanic's dream bike
  • 3 1
 Best mounting of a motor yet. Your move specialized.
  • 1 0
 Air can service and dropper / shift cable replacement? That'll be $700 please
  • 2 0
 I need to start a Patreon account to afford this
  • 2 2
 I like it. It looks pretty tidy looking. Apart from that f*cking TwinLoc monstrosity.
I could even put up with the bar/stem combo if I had to. But not that TwinLoc remote.
  • 1 0
 I am surprised by the reasonable price tag. Although that’s without seeing the components.
  • 2 0
 Orbea Rise is eMTB going in the right direction. This is an abomination.
  • 1 0
 Integration sucks. There's nothing that integration does better in comparison to non-integrated components.
  • 1 0
 All this needs is wireless lock out switches for the suspension and a AXS groupo with an AXS dropper. Hoooollllyy !
  • 1 0
 a 160mm fox dps, inside the frame? ill be surprised if the shock doesn't melt its self
  • 1 0
 Pole: let's make an e-bike that's so ugly everyone will remember it. Scott: hold my beer...
  • 1 0
 Somewhere right now someone is editing the ol' Xzibit meme to fit this bike's lever count
  • 1 0
 I searched for Scott Patron a couple of days ago and turned up a bald electronics repair guy from Pennsylvania
  • 1 0
 Whenever Hollywood reboots “Pacific Blue” you can guarantee this bike will be featured in it.
  • 2 0
 what has happened to mountainbiking...
  • 2 0
 Ebikes are heelies for adults
  • 1 0
 bla bla bla Voices of donkey do not reach the sky #1' (Silly words won t reach the Heaven
  • 1 0
 Bike designers pressing too hard with their pens, or did someone leave the bold setting on?
  • 1 0
 And on that fateful Tuesday, bike mechanics everywhere were heard crying out from behind their aprons in agony.
  • 1 0
 It has a vibe of Tesla's Cybertruck.

2/10 esthetic appeal

8.5/10 coolness factor and technology
  • 1 0
 Looks like something a car company would come up with... Just needs a porsche badge and 15k price tag
  • 1 0
 Intrigrate what you like still remind me of a Raleigh street fox from 1987..
  • 1 0
 Cool moped. Time to market to all the young guns that have money and also a DUI.
  • 1 0
 Added time to service, difficult to service, added expense and complexity for very little benefit. no thanks.
  • 22 20
 Scott went full retard
  • 5 1
 Comments like this will never get you a free @SCOTT-Sports bike.....
  • 4 3
 @andwrong: pretty sure comments like yours won't get you one either Smile
  • 2 1
 @vemegen: that is ok with me. I don't ride enough to justify the ones I already have!
  • 2 0
 @andwrong: makes two of us Wink
  • 1 0
 @andwrong: when you wouldnt even ride a free scott bike... says something
  • 1 0
 @mtbtrekracer: oh, don't get me wrong, I would absolutely ride it (or my wife would), but I am realistic and some of my bikes are already neglected.
  • 2 0
 @andwrong: Not what i ment, but there is alot of people out there who wouldnt ride a free scott bike. id be sold for something less cr@p
  • 1 0
 Nude under the covers ain’t no shock !
  • 2 0
 I can't service that!
  • 1 0
 And Pinkbike users are calling it "still f*cking minging".
  • 1 0
 The XL has a 501mm reach with a 77' ESTA. That's tiny.
  • 3 0
 upright for the ol' timers
  • 2 0
 There' s an amazing measurement that actually informs about seat length. It's called ETT, Effective Top Tube Length.
  • 1 0
 Only available to riders named Jesse Mach
  • 4 2
 Might quit biking
  • 1 0
 Would rather ride that expensive ugly Nikolai
  • 2 0
 "Oops, wrong lever!"
  • 2 0
 PULL THE LEVER CRONK!
  • 1 0
 AXS Derailleur with a wire leading to the battery
  • 1 0
 Maybe it’s new Di2!?!
  • 1 0
 @bobalong: It says XX1 on it
  • 2 1
 Is the laziness and ignorance integrated too?
  • 1 0
 No seat tube depth, pure genius!
  • 1 0
 And a better shock than the Fox Nude
  • 1 0
 Such an ugly bike ! nothing to do with Scott, keep bold aside !
  • 1 0
 Should have hidden the motor instead...
  • 1 0
 Left side of the bar looks like a thumb piano LOL
  • 1 0
 Twin-loc and a motor?

They built a bike just for Levy.
  • 1 0
 Techmology, what that all about? Is it good or is it wack?
  • 2 0
 It is wicked, ya kna!? Aii
  • 1 0
 Working up to a road grader cockpit
  • 2 0
 hideous monstrocity
  • 1 0
 I'd hate to be the mechanic to screw this bike. Looks clean though.
  • 1 0
 hey guys log out, go for a bike>
  • 1 0
 lights on the fender, for all that commuting..?
  • 1 0
 Thats a big no from me dawg
  • 1 0
 Scott is out here trying to out dentist Yeti
  • 1 0
 I don't like E-MTB because it's quite expensive
  • 1 0
 Possibly the least desirable bike I've ever seen...
  • 1 0
 Integration by ‘nUde’ substitution.

Right, I’m off!
  • 1 0
 Kate Courtney's Dad must be PSYCHED
  • 1 0
 Looks light...
  • 3 2
 Vomit
  • 5 8
 People need to find something better to do other than trash comment on every single product that gets released
Y’all need to go ride your bikes instead of talking so much crap lol
  • 1 0
 Scott gonna Scott
  • 1 0
 No integrated gears?
  • 1 0
 Don't like it
  • 1 1
 Slowly but surely the faddy Mullet is dissappearing.
  • 1 2
 Can we start getting weights in the E-bike category?? Even if she rides nice, no one wants a real heffer eh?
  • 1 0
 that thing is ugly af
  • 1 2
 Fox nude and that horrid lock The rest looks awesome
  • 5 6
 Locks like a ....
  • 11 1
 Like a grandpa bike
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