September 2017 - Good Month or Bad Month?

Oct 4, 2017
by Vernon Felton  
Pinkbike

September may mark the turning of the seasons in the northern hemisphere—that point when the leaves and mercury begin to drop, but it’s still a hot and heavy month for racing with both World Champs and the Enduro World Series making crowning their winners.

Who was this September kind to? All sorts of people, naturally. Cecile Ravanel blazed her way to another decisive EWS overall title at Finale... Nino Schurter walked away from Cairns with yet another rainbow-colored sausage suit... ditto for Loïc Bruni. Two other racers' stories, however, truly stick out in September. I'm talking about Miranda Miller and Sam Hill.

Miranda Miller

Finishes her first full-ride season as World Champ.

Miranda Miller, stood atop the podium at Cairns. No mean feat, given that Tahnée Seagrave and Tracy Hannah were blazing their final runs… until crashes took them out of contention for the top spot. Miller, however, had an undeniably strong race, edging out 2017’s World Cup overall winner, Myriam Nicole, by a tenth of a second. That's all good and well, but how sweet must it be for Miller, who just made the leap this year from working full time (shout out to Corsa Cycles in Squamish) to focusing purely on racing? Miller transitioned in 2017 from the privateer life to the full factory ride. The new gig with Specialized Gravity was a big step up for Miller and she's clearly made the most of it. A good month for Miller? Hell, yeah. In fact, it's been a good year.
Miranda Miller looks aggressive and confident following her 3rd place just last week in Leogang.
From privateer to DH World Champ.


Sam Hill

Still kicking arse.

Sam Hill. That’s right—Sam Hill. For all the naysayers who counted Hill out as a competitive racer, I point to him straddling his prototype Nukeproof Mega 275C enduro bike at the Downhill World Champs and finishing sixth. Wait, did Hill even race DH this season? Just one other time (Fort Bill), because he’s been focusing on the Enduro World Series. Why didn’t Sam ride a full-fledged DH bike? Because he’s SamDamnHill, that’s why. A true honch. Okay, sure, Cairns isn’t exactly Val di Sole and, yes, the whole riding your enduro whip in the World Champs DH event has been done before (Jared Graves raced his Yeti SB66c to a third place finish at Pietermaritzburg in 2013), but, still, it’s always awesome to watch a man lay waste with a knife during a gunfight.
Sam Hill did what he needed to today although it s very tight at the top and positions are sure to swap around tomorrow.
Officially still killing it.

And then there’s Sam wrapping up September as the 2017 Enduro World Series Champ. Again, for all the people who said Hill's glory days were over. Boom. Mic drop.

Thirty-two years old… flat pedals… bushy, defiantly un-aerodynamic eyebrows… first full EWS season. And just crushing it.

Call me nostalgic, but it’s good to see Hill on the top step again.


The Rumor Mill

Word has it that Shimano XTR will go 12-speed

Shimano-philes who’ve been jealous of the 50-teeth of hill-taming freedom enjoyed by SRAM Eagle-riding types had reason to rejoice in September. Why? Because the rumor mill was rife with reports that Shimano is working on a new 12-speed version of XTR that’ll sport a, wait for it, 51-tooth granny gear.

In case you somehow missed the obvious, that's one tooth more than Eagle.

Tit meet tat.
Eurobike 2017
At this point it's still a rumor, but an Eagle-battling XTR seems inevitable.

Shimano, to be clear, has not confirmed said rumor and is undoubtedly annoyed that we are talking about 12-speed XTR yet again, but since a whole lot of my conversations of late with other industry types have included sentences where the speaker says, “You know when Shimano finally rolls out 12-speed XTR…”, it feels silly to not mention what seems like an inevitable response to what SRAM has been doing these past couple years.


Anyone Who's Been Waiting for a Carbon Process

It's here. Finally.

People have been clamoring for lighter, carbon versions of Kona’s Process bikes since, well, since late 2013; back when the company first rolled out their aluminum 153, 134 and 111 models. While rumors and spy shots have been floating about the Internets machine for months now, September was the month when Kona went and got all official, with the debut of two carbon-fiber 153 CR 27.5 Process models. In addition to going plastic fantastic, the new Process models receive a new shock orientation, bigger bearings (at the rocker and main pivots), more anti-squat and a bit more progressive suspension feel.
Kona Photo by Caleb Smith
Lighter, more efficient... now in carbon.

If you were hoping for carbon versions of the Process 134, no dice. Not yet. Likewise, the company rolled out a 153-millimeter travel 29er (big news in and of itself), but it’s an aluminum-only 29er party. For now. But, hey, after four years of waiting, a lot of people are going to be happy that carbon Process models exist at all. Of course, if you still hate composite frames, you can also rest happy in the knowledge that the same design tweaks are available in more affordable aluminum iterations of the Process 153 27.5.


Inspiring Moments

Martyn Ashton rides Whistler.

Look, there are a lot of reasons to not be stoked with the state of the world today: threats of a nuclear showdown, hurricanes, madmen with automatic weapons, polar bears eating polar bears… chances are you can name something that craps all over your inner unicorn.

Fortunately, there are also seemingly small moments that make you realize how strong some people are and how awesome our world can be. Like this one.

I’m just going to park this video (which rolled out in September) here.

Martyn Ashton, a living legend and a man of incredible strength, is still out there riding and living life to the fullest; all this despite an injury that would stop 99 percent of people. If this doesn’t impress the hell out of you or get you a little misty eyed, I question whether you have a beating heart. Check it out.




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Rachel Atherton

Another injury takes her out of the running.

Well, you can’t stay on top forever and Rachel Atherton’s record-breaking World Cup winning streak (10 consecutive), couldn’t go on forever, but still… 2017 has been a bit rough for Atherton. That dislocated shoulder at Fort William effectively banjaxed her season. Yes, the five-time World Champion returned in time for Vallnord and is still fast as all hell (she’s been in the top five all season), but wrecking during a practice run at World Champs this month, resulting in a fractured clavicle, had to be a cruel blow as Atherton was clearly back in winning form.
2017 UCI World Championships Photo by Sven Martin
A string of injuries comes on the heels of a perfect year.


Graham Agassiz

Injury ends Aggy's Rampage quest. Again.



Graham Agassiz and the Red Bull Rampage have this trying relationship; it's a relationship in which Aggy keeps being a contender for the top spot—and keeps getting derailed by injury or less-than-perfect performance on his final runs.

Sadly, an ankle injury that Agassiz incurred back in April in taking him out of contention this year.

Here's hoping that Aggy recovers fully and gets his chance for a win at Rampage 2018.

Healing vibes out to Aggy after a heavy crash on his first run. Not a good year for him after just coming off a broken hand.
Ankle takes Aggy out of the running at Rampage.
bigquotesI've battled with pain and injuries going into this one in the past but this time is different. It's just not ready for where I need it to be for an event like Rampage. This has been one of the hardest decisions I've had to make, and I apologize to those I may be letting down.....

Rampage will forever be my holy grail. Hopefully we can get a fresh canvas again next year and I'll be back! Till then, I have a couple projects planned for this fall to cap the season off, but what I'm really looking forward to the most is some much-needed soul-shredding with friends and family.
Aggy

That Guy Who Lies About How Rad His Last Ride Was

Technology measuring your actual "radness" is coming.

There’s always that one guy who talks an impossibly big game about how awesome his last ride was. The trail was always “super gnarly” and he was always “ripping” or, alternately, “schralping” it up. And the hang time? Insane. Absolutely insane. Like, totally, Joyride levels of air time.

Well, was that ride, objectively speaking, truly that awesome? Until now, most of us were content to shrug off the answer. In September, however, we learned that Science—in all its pocket-protector-loving glory—has delivered us a device that can accurately measure the precise radness (or lack thereof) of your last ride.
ShredMate
Just how awesome was that last jump, really? Now you can quantify it. Is that a good or bad thing? That's entirely up to the user.

ShredMate is being touted by its developers as the first mountain bike cyclocomputer capable of measuring your air time, the G-forces you experienced upon landing that huge jump, your speed and the roughness of the trail. How does it do all that? If you want to read about motion sensors, algorithms and telemetry, check out the story here.

The people developing ShredMate have raised more than 75 percent of their Kickstarter campaign target. Their product is now available at a discounted rate of £60 ($77 USD, $97 CAD).

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130 Comments

  • 176 9
 Good month: saw the scan of my second child. Bad month: saw the scan of my second child.
  • 93 5
 Is it another girl?

And I'd like to point out that I will also absent from Rampage due to an ankle injury.
  • 54 1
 Could have been worse, you could have seen the scan of your second and third child at the same time. I was so glad when there was only one potato looking thing on the screen.
  • 79 0
 @nickkk: What wheel size is it?
  • 15 0
 @BenPea: we don’t know.. oh and how do you know I have a daughter? Instagram? *peers out of curtains
  • 5 0
 Sounds inconvenient.
  • 10 0
 @nickkk: all the best people have a girl first
  • 15 1
 @ThomDawson: Neighbours had a fourth and fifth in one go. Gotta love them Catholics.
  • 4 0
 @ThomDawson: just happened to me (technically in August, but now I'm shopping for vehicles that will fit 3 car seats side by side)
  • 2 0
 @BenPea: Damn straight!!!!
  • 12 0
 Does it look like a session?
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: LOL! But you're right...
  • 1 0
 Only on your second kid? Slacker. Wait until the 4th one shows up,
  • 6 0
 @bvd453: just go mini van and get it over with. It doubles as an awesome shuttle car if it has a north shore bike rack for six bikes.
  • 1 0
 @bvd453: hehe been there - Discounting SUVs, I was amazed to find out that it is remarkably few, at least over here in Europe.
  • 3 0
 @nickkk Congratulations Hope the scan of the 2nd was in the same woman. That would take some explaining.
  • 1 0
 @froman82: where’s Sean Spicer when I need him.
  • 1 0
 @ThomDawson: Been a long time since my last ride due to my second and third girls arriving in July.
  • 1 1
 @bvd453: Get an f150!
  • 2 0
 @ricechrispy: That's what I've narrowed it down to. I commute 88 miles a day, but a 3.5L EB with the ability to mod it is just way too tempting
  • 1 0
 @bvd453: Don't rule out the 2.7. That's what I have. Slightly better mpg and it's never felt underpowered (even when towing my travel trailer).
  • 90 6
 That "shredmate" app deserves to be in bad month for how utterly pointless it is.
  • 25 3
 Right... When did fun started depending on air time?
  • 8 0
 This is the first I've heard of this app, and after giving it a Google my eyes rolled so hard they popped out my ears.
  • 3 0
 @mollow:
Well maybe if you started listening to Fun a bit more you'd know what he wants!
  • 2 1
 @mollow: Who actually thinks about G force when riding? other than physicists and engineers maybe.
  • 9 1
 Eh at least you can get the app for a discounted price of 100$
  • 3 1
 @mollow: excellent, who needs food and drink when i can check out my G's and air on my phone for £60
  • 4 3
 They should be able to make it using accelerometers that are already on your phone. And charge no more than $5.
  • 22 0
 Hoping it's real-time data so I can check while I'm in the air
  • 6 4
 I love the idea of being able to tell my work mates that I've been pulling Gs all weekend...
  • 6 0
 @fatduke: Hell, wouldn't you be trying to minimize the G's if you're riding smooth? Big G's just mean you missed the tranny.

Sidenote: The Trace snowboard app has provided airtime for over two years now, just using your phone. Why would I need this stupid kickstarter device? All modern phones have accelerometers in addition to GPS.
  • 4 0
 @TucsonDon: But wouldn't having low Gs mean you are slow on the berms? #iluminati
  • 1 0
 Measure my g's, what about the number of g-outs I get?
  • 12 0
 Stay tuned for my new app, "Yardsalemate", bonuses for maximum impact.
  • 2 0
 I think there are some pretty damn cool possibilities there, like more objective difficulty ratings for trails based on actual data.
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: G-Strings, you mean? Wink
  • 2 0
 I'll take Strava so I can race myself, but I'm sure as hell never strapping a device that measures my air time or trail gnarliness. That's obsurd.
  • 1 0
 With all that G mumbo jumbo i wonder if it comes with a directions to the G spot
  • 1 1
 @P3N54: you got no clue what's being a G about
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: wonder if you are the O.G. waki?
  • 1 3
 @P3N54: I am the original PB G, I invented the wheelsize debate
  • 1 0
 Feeling the same people who like Strava will like this. "They don't think I'm the bestest most gnarliest dude around? I'll show them..." -Dwight, from The Office
  • 1 1
 @mollow: or apps for that matter dude!! I'm already sick of strava the shit isn't even accurate. My buddy and I started and finished a trail at the exact same time but it said he took almost a minute longer? We started and stopped our apps at the exact same time so Id love someone to explain that one. I have no faith in apps.
  • 3 2
 @mhoshal: if you log it many times you'll get a good approximation, Jesus Christ... I love most people who hate Strava, a bloke gets it, starts it, rides down a trail at whatever pace and expects to be in top 10%, then raves about how crappy Strava is. Come on... get the Freelap if you are into seconds. Yes Strava can be inaccurate, what were you thinking?! That it is a military grade homing system brought to you by wiki leaks, used to direct missiles into Taliban a*sholes?
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: 47 second difference for guys that rode the exact same is a pretty big goof man if it was under 20 second I would say its an approximate time but 47 second is just ridiculous
  • 2 1
 @mhoshal: The odds of user mistake are much higher than app fail.
  • 1 0
 @codypup: what the hell does that even mean man? You click the record button to start and then hit it again when you're done lol its pretty f*cken basic I'm 32 not a 3 years old there bud.
  • 1 0
 @codypup: something I can finally be the best at. Lawwwwwwndart!
  • 1 1
 @TucsonDon: I try to stay away from trannies, ever since Acapulco "02. Fool me once...
  • 1 0
 @mhoshal: Whenever I need help with tech stuff, I ask the nearest three year old. Sorry if I rocked your boat.
  • 1 0
 @mhoshal: I've noticed that the phone app is much less accurate than a Garmin, but you can also changes the Garmin's accuracy with several setting. If you care about accuracy, get a Garmin, enable gps+glonass, and set the recording interval to 1 second.
  • 1 1
 @mhoshal: I get much more consistent times. Flukes do happen but they are extremely rare. I use Iphone. As I said, Strava times recorded during Enduro Sweden Series corelate very well with times measured by actual timing system. Within 5 seconds margin,
  • 28 2
 Good: Temps on the eastcoast start to calm the heck down...
Bad: Marzocchi hasn't brought back the Bomber. (yet)
  • 9 1
 You mean fox hasn't brought back the bomber yet
  • 2 0
 @onemind123: Check Mazocchi website.
  • 4 0
 @goytay: you mean fox's website ;-)
  • 1 1
 @onemind123: lol yep
  • 3 0
 The giant glory has a "bomber" fork on the new aluminum one. Check the website
  • 2 0
 A true bomber should have a CNC'd arch!
  • 2 1
 All Marzocchi forks used to say BOMBER on them dude except the shiver. I custom painted the guards on mine just so it would have BOMBER on it
  • 1 1
 The 320 is currently listed at $200 on their website, which is a fantastic XC fork IMO.
  • 25 0
 Really enjoyed watching the Martin Ashton video, what a dude
  • 15 0
 There were ninjas cutting onions somewhere near when he started talking about how it felt being called an athlete again
  • 3 0
 @leopaul: they got you too? Naughty ninjas...
  • 12 0
 Stoked for Miranda. I feel like she's a real "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" kinda rider. I hope she has a breakout year next season.
  • 9 0
 Legitimate question about ShredMate: So if someone is riding around like an idiot smashing into every object on the trail and casing every jump will their ride appear more "rad?" "I pulled 10 g's off that drop bro" and if you had landed it smooth it would've been half that...
  • 1 0
 Probably. But the speed trace thingy could show how much yhey sux
  • 7 0
 I've been waiting since 8,9,10, and 11speed for that 12th cog from Shimano, as well as that 51 tooth count. Also, racers on 12 speeds are so much faster than racers on 11 speeds, in case you didn't know it. So I will be too.
  • 5 3
 Except it will most likely weigh over 500 grams making it a stupid addition compared to an eagle cassette and they will probably still do something stupid with the cog sizes like 11-13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32-37-46-51
  • 5 1
 @rrsport: 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36, 42, 50 for Eagle XXI. Gaps between gear are (2-2-2-2-2-3-3-4-4-4-6-8 ) . Almost the same spread per tooth as you mention above (2-2-2-2-2-3-4-4-4-4-9-5) so really not relevant. I bet weight will be under 500grams considering XTR now weights about 330 grams. (XX1 Eagle is 360). And I bet XTR is well over $100-$150 less.
  • 3 2
 @bman33: and let's also not forget that a 12-speed XTR will actually work smoothly and without fail, in contrast to the Bird.
  • 10 0
 SRAM are now just waiting for Shimano to announce 12speed so they can announce their 13speed, which will be called Sparrow.
  • 3 0
 New SRAM DoDo 15 speed. Featuring 26" rear cog with attached rim.
  • 7 0
 Best vid in along time, how could you not just smile at Martyn’s irrepressible enthusiasm, if that’s not enough to get on your bike and ride I don’t know what is. Hats off to Martyn for his full glass attitude!
  • 9 0
 Bad month. Whistler bit me. Shattered my heel on Shleyer.
  • 1 0
 Broke my hand too. Bad Whistler, bad... Till next time Smile
  • 1 0
 I almost died on Dwayne Johnson but made it out alive with simply a double bottom out. Sorry about your heel.
  • 3 0
 Broke some ribs on, um, errr, crank it up. Shut up, those berms were cratered i tell you. Shoulda stuck to buttery D1.
  • 7 0
 It sounds like I could strap the shred mate to my member and see how truly epic my sexness was.
  • 1 0
 Dennis Rodman would be KOTM.
  • 10 4
 #samdamnhill
#ashtonyoufrickinhero
  • 2 0
 I dont see how Shimano going to 51 teeth is any great advantage. The key feature of eagle is the 500% range. Given that shimano have yet to go below and 11t and seem unlikely to then they need to go beyond 55t to match eagle's range let alone beat it.
  • 1 0
 Or you know ethirteen trs+ cheaper works with existing 11 speed bits and also 500% gear range and the biggest cog is only 46t. Clear winner to me.
  • 2 0
 Ok ok here goes my two bits. Total agreement on Miller and Sam Hill. I'm a huge fan of her grit and riding style. My 11yo son will never ever ride clipless now. Martyn Ashton is simply the definition of Carpe Diem. Here's wishing for more gearbox bikes instead of ever bigger pie plates hung off the rear wheel. Gutted for Rachel this season. Hope it doesn't destroy her mental state going into next year. "90% of riding is 50% mental" to paraphrase a great sports philosopher. But why all the hate for a team trying to actually develop a Mtb specific bike computer?? Why are we forced to have our metrics measured in the same way as runners and road cyclists?? We have a different sport. If you don't think so then put on some brightly colored spandex and a pair of high end running shoes grab your self one of those 15lb bike things with the spindly wheels and go out and get it! I think you'll find some minor handling differences to say the least! All kidding aside I think it's great that at least someone is trying to address that what we do in bicycles is different than other forms of cycling and can be measured by different metrics. More data is better. No?
  • 1 0
 @fattyheadshok - "More data is better. No?"
I don't want or need the data, that's not the type of riding I do (either on the Strava gotta pin it and be fast end of the scale, nor on the freeride gotta get the biggest hucks and gnarliest hits end). But I don't think there's anything pathologically wrong with people who are into the data acquisition bit. Whether that's because of a sense of challenge (I know a guy who gets a kick out of setting himself insane goals for vertical feet climbed - it's part of his prep for some truly epic rides), or just for something to geek out about. As long as using apps doesn't cause pathological or antisocial behavior (screwing up trails by cutting corners in a KOM attempt; scaring the hell out of other users on multi-use trails and endangering trail access that way; taking stupid risks that lead to gnarly injuries and subsequent trail closures; what have you...), more power to their makers and users.

I think some of the opposition here is rooted not so much in worry about the antisocial extremes, though, as it is in anti-poseur sentiment. That I get as well, even though the poseurs don't really bother me (I've got enough shit trying to impede my naturally optimistic outlook to get too arsed about whether someone else may or may not be a legit rider; I'd rather just have a good ride). But there's a fringe element that goes beyond that, with an almost irrational hatred. It's one thing to shake your head about poseurs, it's another to vociferously call for spiritual purity in mountain biking. That can be downright harmful - just look at the whole aggro bullshit posturing leading to real-life antisocial behavior in, say, surfing, if you want to get an idea where that kind of thing can go seriously off the rails.
  • 2 0
 The Martyn Ashton vid is one of the best videos I've ever seen. The other is Scotty Cranmer riding a skatepark 10 months after a horrific crash. Definitely started crying. I'm currently in recovery for breaking my own back, and pedals a bike for the first time yesterday since July. So fucking awesome. All the per in the world
  • 6 0
 These go to 51
  • 2 0
 @number44, never enough Spinal Tap references.
  • 5 1
 Sad month for first gen 153 owners.
  • 1 0
 I'll counter that it is a good month for first gen 153 owners: At least they are effing turquoise!
  • 1 0
 @Poulsbojohnny: bloody great month for future used-1st gen 153 owners
  • 1 0
 How so? They had a great bike in August; their bike didn't get any worse in September. Sure, they may feel a bit of new bike lust now - but hey, that's just a fact of life.

I've got a 111. Sure, if there'd been a new short travel 29er Process announced, I'd feel an urge to try it (and, if I liked it, I'd probably feel a bit of lust). But that bike is damn fun now, just as it was damn fun when I got it a year and a half ago.
  • 5 1
 it sucked ass. mother and human nature took lots from folks
  • 2 1
 You dont know how it feels....lost Tom Petty too. Bad month for people dying but thats life.
  • 1 1
 @Boardlife69: lol. special.
  • 3 0
 I did get a shit-load of riding in this month, and at a lot of cool different trails too, so it was pretty good for me.
  • 1 0
 Marten Ashton's a beast. Congratulations to him and his buddies on that epic experience. That's exactly what got me into riding... "FRIENDS".
Think I've got something in my eye's.
  • 5 3
 Its a good month for: Everything I didnt expect
Its a bad month for: Everything I was expecting
  • 1 0
 Kona Process Carbon 153 with Eagle XO1, Lyrik fork, and similar build to a Transition Carbon Patrol 1 (an awesome bike) but $3,000 LESS! Damn good deal!
  • 1 0
 Great month; didn't ride my Fat bike once (No Mud!)
After the sh!t summer we had, September rocked. Did I mention I just installed a 160 Pike on my Trance!
Woo
Hoo
  • 1 0
 Great month as I rode a lot of trails after a month off.
Bad month as I lost some contracts for work which means no more new bike end of year. Frown
  • 1 0
 But lots more time to play!
  • 2 1
 Good month-riding better than ever and riding more than ever.Bad month-joined the clavicle club. Frown
  • 1 0
 Good month, it finally rained and the wildfires stopped ravaging the mountains and leaving us with poison to breathe.
  • 1 0
 Good Month For: Indiana Summer Riding as temps are above average in US
Bad Month For: Greg Minnaar's rear wheel.
  • 1 2
 shredmate, f*ck yeah!
I can see how some of the actual strava dorks are gonna dig it, but now they'll have to ride 1/2 less every time to deal with the new amount of data...
  • 1 0
 My radness cannot be measured.
  • 6 0
 Is that cause 0 has no value?
  • 1 0
 Love when September ends----start of Southwestern mtb season!
  • 1 0
 Bad month, broken my shoulder blade.
  • 3 3
 Good month: We had a rumor about something!

Errr... Really?
  • 4 1
 they wanted to compensat shimano due to all the last posts about just sram tech haha!
  • 2 3
 I guess Shimano had to dumb down their product to have more appeal on the "market"
  • 1 3
 Will Shimano's 12-speed big ring say something like " 520% ! " on it?
  • 4 0
 Except even if they went to a 10t (probabl unlikely) they would still only achieve 510%...
  • 14 2
 Let's hope Mr trump diverts some more funds into education
  • 7 2
 @rrsport: Could easily be achieved with a dual ring crankset Smile .

Silly enough there was a time when a 600% range was quite common. You know, 3x9 setup with 22-32-44 in the front and 11-32 or 11-34 in the rear. Alright, chain retention wasn't perfect but what we're seeing now is getting pretty nuts too. Huge derailleur cages, expensive wear parts, more unsprung weight (for those who run rear suspension). If someone presented this future to me fifteen years ago or so (when I was actually running a triple) I wouldn't be too stoked. Invest in Rohloff or Pinion and be done with it.
  • 3 0
 @vinay: I want someone to make a 3x12 absolutely ridiculous drivetrain just for the hell of it. I don't care if it takes 2 separate derailleurs to take up the slack. Watch me pedal up walls and over cars!
  • 5 2
 @vinay: you mention chain retention as if it's a minor factor. that's the whole ball game for me. i would be running 1x even if i could only get 11-36T cassettes. i haven't dropped a chain in years, ever since i switched
  • 2 0
 @onemind123: ridiculous. We're already the best. Time for you yo get a wall too. And your gonna pay for it. f*ckin white walkers aint gettin to us in 'merica (nor ews next year).
  • 3 0
 @rrsport: You're expecting the average pinkbiker to be capable of basic math? Lol, nope.
  • 3 0
 To add actual numbers: 50/10 *100% = 500% ie Eagle. If Shimano makes an 11-51 cassette....let's see, 51/11 *100% = 464%.
It's almost as if the size of the smallest cog is at least as important as the largest. Who could have known that cassette range could be so complicated???
  • 2 0
 @onemind123: he needs to educate himself 1st !
  • 1 0
 @m-t-g: Unless they change driver bodies. That would certainly stir things up - and also create a major compatibility hassle.
  • 1 0
 @g-42: Agree. It would be nice if they adopted xD, as it doesn't get gouged by the cassette and allows cogs down to 9t.
  • 1 0
 @m-t-g: From the rumours I've heard they are adopting another driver body standard... I also think going to a 9t would be a massive mistake, you can feel the extra chain drag from a 10t alone. Shimano also need to follow sram in increasing the size of their derailleur pulleys
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 @xeren: I have to admit chain retention without guides and bashrings these days is impressive. I haven't ridden without a bash ring yet so I can't quite comment. My point was more that I blame long derailleur cages for derailed chains. I soon enough switched to the shortest cages I could get and rarely dropped a chain. And of course I could only drop a chain towards the left because it would never go over the bash ring. But yeah, the longer the cage the more it could make the chain go slack when it flies around when riding over rough ground. I saw some racing footage lately and yes, even clutch-equipped rear mechs have their cages flying all over the place. And these modern large cassettes require a very long cage to allow for the full range. With a 2x setup, you could get away with a cage much shorter than recommended. Just make sure the chain is long enough to (accidentally) shift big-big without any damage. The consequence is your chain goes completely slack when you shift small-small but on a 22-32 setup with 11-34 in the rear I only found the chain would go slack when on one of the smallest two rear sprockets (when shifted to 22 in the front). You never go there. With a triple, you may need a mid-size cage and/or a bigger compromise when running small-small but really, you don't ever go there.

I'm currently running 1x because I wanted to run an oval ring (32t) but yeah indeed with 11-32 in the rear I can't make it up the steepest climbs anymore. But I wouldn't ever want one of these long derailleurs. Much rather a Rohloff for me.

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