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Sheffield's Steel City Downhill Track has Been Vandalised

Apr 20, 2020
by Ed Spratt  

Steve Peat has revealed on Instagram that the Steel City Downhill track has been partly destroyed by vandals over the past weekend.

The trails which have been built using money raised from the annual 'Steel City Downhill' race are found in the Wildlife Trust owned Grenoside Woods in Sheffield. The trails are fully supported by the trust with mountain biking recognised as a supported form of outdoor activity in the area. The news has of sabotage has, therefore, come as a surprise with Steve Peat saying: "I'm fuming and just don't understand the mentality."

The damage seen in Steve Peat's Instagram post shows the destruction of the trail surface on multiple berms and jumps with large parts of one berm being completely removed.


bigquotesSome nasty people in this World! Steel City Downhill track has been pointlessly wrecked. If anyone knows anything please let us know.

This track is enjoyed by a huge range of people from kids to pensioners and has been built on charity money from our little race. I’m fuming and just don’t understand the mentality!
Steve Peat

We hope whoever is responsible for the damage can be found and if you have any information regarding the destruction of the trail then please report it to the relevant authorities.




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286 Comments

  • 141 0
 The problem is that during these crazy times more and more people start to go in the nature, in the woods and think these trails don't belong there, that people should be only allowed to walk there. I had a similar experience recently, someone destroyed some of my jumps. After this I can't enoy riding anymore, you just don't know what else is destroyed and you can crash on it.
  • 28 127
flag Civicowner (Apr 20, 2020 at 4:55) (Below Threshold)
 simple: pre ride before you send Big Grin
  • 94 3
 @easyslorider same thing has been happening in Ontario. I've never seen so many people in the woods, as they realize that cities just don't have much space on offer, they don't understand that they are walking on trails built by riders for riders. Yesterday came across a bunch of logs laid across a popular set of berms. I'm amazed by the nerve people who are new to these areas have in claiming them as their own for walking (worse than the trail runners !)
  • 34 286
flag RoadStain (Apr 20, 2020 at 6:18) (Below Threshold)
 Kinda like the Earth First idiots sinking boats in protected waters. In any case, someone needs to report this behavior to Gretta Thunburg and see if we can not cause her to have a fatal seizure.
  • 17 7
 @Civicowner: I hardly have enough energy to do one lap after work im definitely not wasting it to making sure someone didnt vandalize the trail
  • 46 0
 I'm always impressed how much energy vandals put in destroying thing, the spot near my house where fully destroyed as if they brought a bobcat. Is it rage or what? Where does so much motivation comes from?!
  • 13 0
 Same situation in many places of Spain
  • 15 0
 Last year I saw one person destroying and putting rock and trees in the corners and fast sections of my favorite local train... the most unpleasant person i have ever seen
  • 32 1
 Lots and lots of people in the woods now. They all seem to think some forestry service built all the trails. 90 percent of them beautiful trails built by mtbr's.
  • 16 0
 Dude, literally the truest thing. I have spent past few months building a trail super far out and have never so much as seen someone at the trailhead, let alone on the trail. People are just wandering everywhere and every day we encounter new issues with people who think they are so smart and entitled. We already have animal (cow and hog) issues to begin with now we have to deal with all sorts of people who think they're adventurers. I'm so sick of this!!!
  • 34 73
flag nurseben (Apr 20, 2020 at 9:02) (Below Threshold)
 Same issues here, but after a long talk with a neighbor who prefers all things "natural", I get it.

I may not agree, but in a sense, what we do to modify nature for trail riding is not unlike what we do to modify nature to build roads, shopping centers, etc...

Granted, when a trail is legally built, it's kinda crappy to trash it without permission.

Two sides, just saying.
  • 34 8
 @nurseben: No! This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read and apparently you're easily brainwashed. Mt biking is NOTHING like building shopping centers, lol!
  • 14 0
 Time to invest in game cams
  • 8 27
flag trialsracer (Apr 20, 2020 at 9:37) (Below Threshold)
 @RoadStain: bahaha I laughed. apparently you hit a nerve with 113 people
  • 23 7
 @nurseben: wtf are you on about?

Did your nature first “neighbor” give you a blowie in exchange for propagating nonsense?

I sure hope so.
  • 28 3
 @RoadStain: sorry man , not even in the same ballpark. Don't hijack this post with that nonsense.
  • 35 4
 @nurseben: does your neighbor walk to work and have a log cabin without running water or electricity?

Nope?

Then he can f*ck off.
  • 7 3
 This is fucking war.
  • 22 1
 @nurseben: bullshit , when we build trails they are built from found materials , all of which are organic and will decompose over time. Mtb trails are super low impact. Studies done for the fight in North Shore Vancouver prove it (ask uncle Dave over at nsmb)
  • 5 1
 @DGWW: Same here. All the new people feel like they own the place, and get angry at me for being there. I feel I like telling them I've been here every day for tha past 3 years and I know the Don a little better than they do. Makes me so mad! I've stopped going down until this is over.
  • 1 1
 @nurseben: ya touched a nerve Ben.
  • 11 0
 @RyanShreds: It's crazy, yesterday I found a f** dog shit on a landing that I've building for past three weeks. I understand that people don't really bother picking up after their dogs in nature but this was a shaped landing, maybe at least poke it off or smth...
  • 8 15
flag protwurst (Apr 20, 2020 at 11:01) (Below Threshold)
 @DGWW: @DGWW: I generally agree that mountain biking is a preferable outdoor activity when it comes to damage to public lands, but it is important to remember that simply having humans out in the wilderness (especially on mountain bikes) is stressful to the local fauna. While bikes seem quiet to us, they're actually pretty loud. Here's an example of how wildlife respond to bikers by distancing themselves (further than from hikers and equestrians, but closer than ATVs etc).

www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/journals/pnw_2018_wisdom001.pdf

I'm still personally struggling with what I think is ethical regarding mountain biking. Downhill and ski hills is great as it reuses an already impacted space. Similarly, trails close to town have a minimal impact on wider wilderness fragmentation. But when it comes to constructing new trails in the backcountry, I'm becoming a little more leery, even though I love the idea of bikepacking etc.

There is obviously a place (a big place!) for mountain biking in the outdoors, but it shouldnt be considered "no impact" or even necessarily "low impact" just because the trails can be reclaimed by wilderness quickly.
  • 16 0
 @DGWW: yeah totally agree im in south western Ontario ,Since the covid19 the amount of people hiking our single track trails made for mtb is staggering Myself and few others have been looking after the trails and removing fallen dead trees and trail grooming for over the last 20 yrs here Yet these cockroaches come in and place logs across blind corners , at bottom of drops and anywhere else they think is a good way to cause as much personal injury . What really pisses me off they all the sudden decide to leave the gravel walking trails and claim these for themselves ! However i have no problem sharing with respectful people who do use them and give us mtb riders the right of way and leave the trails the way it was before they came
So looking forward to catching up with these idiots in the act .
  • 1 0
 @RoadStain: there's one!
  • 1 0
 @trialsracer: there's two!
  • 4 0
 Similar experience yesterday on my local trails. Branches placed across a mountain bike single track. I plowed right into the first one because I didn’t see it until I was already in the air. Nothing happened but I was really frustrated. The volume of people in my small mountain town has been like a 3 day weekend for weeks.
  • 30 2
 @RoadStain: OMG you are an idiot. People were vandalizing trails and doing actual life threatening sabotage before Greta was born. We had a 70yr old with Poodles stretching fishing rods and putting sticks with huge nails across the trails around 2010. Greta was probably still eating meat by then. And that old prick wasn’t even a greenie. Some people just hate Other people. Resentful aholes. They don’t want to protect nature, they just want to see people hurt.
  • 8 5
 @fracasnoxteam: a lesson about human nature and please don’t think you don’t have it in you. Just less but you are capable of it. Humans are perfectly capable of being driven and motivated by the thought of causing harm to other humans. We can get literally get turned on by a thought of hurting someone, annoying someone. No better example than what happens to our psyche when going through divorce.
  • 18 0
 @RoadStain: There is no we. Just you and your moronic comments.
  • 9 0
 This is brutal for sure, but we have got to look to build bridges with these people and listen first, then help them understand. They do this out of ignorance. Many of us on the North Shore put a lot of effort being nice to trail runners, dog walkers, hikers, etc. It's the only way to make it work. Once you get combative, it's over.
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: There was a creek I used to paddle in Virginia. It cross private property, but the water line was technically where public domain began. Land owner strung barbed wire across the creek. Yup, that was pretty sketch, right in a rapid so now way to duck or reverse course.
  • 4 2
 @rrolly: Or just bury them in a gap, name the jump after them... Wink
  • 1 6
flag nurseben (Apr 20, 2020 at 16:48) (Below Threshold)
 @protwurst: Exactly, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Obviously there's a difference between sanctioned and unsanctioned trails and sabotaging trails is pretty sketchy.

The issue is and always has been competing interests, those who want trails and those who don't. It can be a NIMBY issue or it can simply be an ethical issue, no such thing as right or wrong.

Young people tend to be the most reactive because they have a great amount of entitlement, so yeah, that's PB for the most part Wink
  • 4 2
 @DGWW: Uh huh. I heard that mountain bikers had less impact on the natural environment than wildlife. True story.
  • 4 9
flag nurseben (Apr 20, 2020 at 16:53) (Below Threshold)
 @onemind123: I used to work as a city planner, trust me, been there and done that, it's always gonna be a competition for resources. Bikers are selfish, they want to ride and that requires trails, the trails degrade, get boring, so it requires more trails. At a certain point, the folks who don't want the trails will speak up or push back. None of this should be suprising.
  • 2 0
 @CantClimb: right on man, spent 3 hours Saturday with a saw and axe clearing trail from recent wind storm (and not just for us)
  • 6 0
 @easyslorider: we've been finding HUMAN ones on a couple of trails recently, bog roll and all. I shit you not.

Our little local trails are currently overrun with Joeys on Halfords bikes, saddles up, no lids and not social distancing. There's nothing huge there (well except for some fairly sizeable doubles, which fortunately seem to be too imposing for this lot, er and me) but even on the mellow but techy trails there is still potential to get hurt, especially if you aren't wearing ANY protective gear. Then there are also dudes on XC bikes riding down the trails then back up the same trails. It's not looking good.
  • 1 0
 @alexhyland: Holly shit, why would someone do that.
  • 1 0
 @alexhyland: Same here. It's bloody infuriating.
  • 1 1
 @easyslorider: Bro if the possibility of someone having destroyed your shit means u cant enjoy riding then youre either lazy bastard or extremely paranoid, just ride some more often maintianed trails or check your own trails and do maintenance before you ride.

Its as easy as just looking at the features before you send them, or just send them anyway and enjoy yourself Big Grin
  • 2 1
 @RyanShreds: re: smart and entitled; maybe you’re tone death. They and You are one and the same; serving their own self interest with no care for any other.

but stick your fingers in your ears and loudly scream, “LAH-LAH-LAH-LAH-LAH ...” while clicking the down-vote button because They are doing that exact same thing too.

if it’s your personal property or a dedicated bike park/trail that’s different. So this article isn’t the same as your complaint. Otherwise you’re no different than who you’re complaining about. The entire world is selfish and has been since the beginning of time, it isn't just you. How do you think it is that you even live there in the first place? Because way back when some smart, entitled people came along and decided to have the land for themselves without any regard about who was there before them. The more things change, the more they are the same.
  • 1 1
 @davec113:
It’s more like building a shopping centre than creating a trail by simply walking through the woods is.
  • 3 2
 @easyslorider: I’d rather there be a dog turd on your landing than tied up in a bag in a land fill.
Did it ever occur to you that the dog wasn’t trying to shit on your landing on purpose? Like maybe the dog meant no insult?
  • 1 2
 @rrolly:
Maybe you build your trails out of ignorance?
What gives you the right to go tear up nature in the interest of your mountain biking?
  • 1 1
 @CantClimb: hikers build the nicest trails. All of their footprints tamping the dirt down perfectly over decades and decades.
  • 2 0
 @jflb: It's the owners fault.
  • 2 1
 @easyslorider: so the owners supposed to run around after his dog in the woods making sure it doesn’t shit on bike jumps?
  • 5 0
 @jflb: In our case, the owner is supposed to keep their f**king dog on a goddamned leash and YES if you wouldn't shit in the woods , you shouldn't let your dog do it either.
  • 1 2
 @DGWW: Oddly, most of the amazing dogs I see are NOT on a leash in the woods unless they are hawk bait sized.

Even the fine folks who publish this site have may images of their beautiful dogs out riding...running jump lines and on and on. Um, not on a leash. So, BTBO (bite the big one)
  • 1 0
 @DGWW:
So you believe dogs should only be off leash in dog parks? And you don’t think dogs should run free in the woods? So taking your dog mountain biking is out of the question?
That sounds unfortunate.
  • 2 0
 @RoadStain: If you choose to have a living animal as a pleasure slave, you must be responsible for them. You sound entitled as hell. Having a dog is a privilege, be grateful and pick up after them.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: we are apes. That's what apes do.
  • 1 0
 @jflb: No , in our case (on the trails i'm referring to in the original response) they are required to be on leash. Again, having a dog is a privilege, if its a shared use area (ie a trail centre, a public park etc) and someone doesn't want your dog running around, its totally reasonable for you to be required to have them on leash.
  • 1 0
 @DGWW: not once have I ever picked up bear poop in the woods nor have I ever picked up dog poop in the woods. The first time I see me a human being picking up dog poo in the woods I am seriously going to point and laugh at how ignorant they actually are.
  • 1 0
 @DGWW: what kind of trails are you on that require dogs to be on leash?
So you’re building jump trails.
Yet there’s a bylaw requiring dogs to be on leash?
  • 1 0
 @jflb: There is this law, I break it just about everyday....it says clear as day, right on the sign in plain view "55 MPH"....
  • 3 0
 @RoadStain:
I’m not trying to talk to you.
Take your unfortunate opinions back to you senseless covid debate.
I’m sad to imagine you being in a position of caring for others while having such a shitty view of this whole pandemic situation.
  • 1 0
 @RoadStain: just read the comments more carefully man...
  • 1 0
 @jflb: they are trails inside of a city (quite good too) they have specific rules because they are shared use, and a lot of people use them. Again, and I'll quote "having a dog is a privilege, if its a shared use area (ie a trail centre, a public park etc) and someone doesn't want your dog running around, its totally reasonable for you to be required to have them on leash."
  • 1 0
 @jflb: do not confuse reality as compared with media driven mass hype and delusions of terror and psychotic fears.
  • 3 0
 @RoadStain: you realize your points of view are kind of like saying unprotected sex is a good way of dealing with aids.
  • 1 0
 @DGWW: so you’re allowed to build jumps in your city sanctioned trails?
  • 2 3
 @jflb: For over a decade the only people with HIV/AIDS stuck something where they should not have been sticking it. Maybe a needle, maybe a penis, but, something. I also do not feel bad for smokers with lung cancer.
  • 2 0
 @RoadStain: so aside from the stupidity you’re already open about.
I think you just said that being gay is wrong?
  • 1 1
 @jflb: Wait? Are you so dumb to think only gas get HIV? So, straight IV drug users with HIV are all gay?
  • 1 0
 @RoadStain: you’re f*cked. You’re the one who said it.
  • 1 0
 @jflb: where is this talk of jumps coming from ? I haven’t mentioned anything about jumps. But yes, there are jumps, drops skinnies , rock gardens, you know, mountain bike stuff.
  • 2 0
 @jflb: I don't know how it is where you are. But in the UK, dog owners are 100% expected to pick up their dog's shit, or at very least (and best IMO) stick and flick off trail (bike or otherwise).
  • 2 0
 @alexhyland: there’s nothing better than a fresh dog poop on a fresh Assegai 3C.
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: the fresher the tyre, the more of a poo magnet it is
  • 5 0
 Bloody hell you're a dickhead @RoadStain
  • 1 3
 @Larkey1: Upvote for you! If stating facts makes me a dickhead, well, circumcise me!
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy Ban this homophobic Sh*thead ^
  • 1 2
 @DGWW: I'm still confused, does someone seriously think HIV is a preference based illness? Heck, anymore it is part and parcel with IV drug use far more than prostitution and what not (straighter otherwise) . A bit less prevalent than HEP-C but awful common with IV use.

But, with the exception of sexual assault, folks with HIV were asking for it, these days.
  • 3 0
 @RoadStain: honestly wtf happened to this thread.

Also, "folks with HIV were asking for it, these days" is such an unhelpful, damaging, stigmatizing, and un-factual statement.

www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/hiv-stigma/index.html

in this first list of examples of HIV stigmatization:
"Feeling that people deserve to get HIV because of their choices"
  • 2 1
 @protwurst: They do. Smokers tend to get lung cancer. Sun bathers skin cancer...pesky realities. MTN bike folks like to bust clavicles and skin knees....
  • 3 0
 @RoadStain: Is for sure a Trump supporter & infowars patreon donor. You’re ignorant buddy.
  • 2 1
 @DGWW: pssst....your TDS is showing. Prepare for four more years.
  • 2 1
 @DGWW: Oh geeze. I’m sensing a trend. Someone else that want to silence an opinion that they don’t agree with.
  • 2 1
 No @Rageingdh @roadstain, you're just asshats that we unfortunately have to put up with.
  • 1 2
 @Larkey1: And yet, you know that as pertaining to a medical condition, and what type of person (genetically or behaviorally) is predisposed to a fatal outcome...well, I am correct.

My father, for instance, two packs of cigs a day and too much booze. Died @ 51 from a stroke....huh, who would have seen that coming? I once met a redhead girl at a Florida beach...oddly, she got sunburnt....crazy, no?

I know, these things must be stopped. Time to watch Wall-E again...
  • 3 0
 @RoadStain: please see my previous comment
  • 2 2
 @Larkey1: Wait, have you had YOUR COVID test yet? The are going to handed out like trophies at the Special Olympics.
  • 3 2
 @RoadStain: I don't have to, I live in Canada (you know, the actual land of the free) Good luck with your failed state.
  • 2 0
 @Rageingdh: Classic ALT Right bullshit defense. Homophobia isn't 'an opinion I don't agree with' its a human rights issue.
  • 4 2
 @DGWW: So would eliminating ones opinion that you don’t agree with be “classic ALT left bullshit defense”?
  • 1 5
flag RoadStain (Apr 25, 2020 at 14:35) (Below Threshold)
 @DGWW: And yet, you do not have the right to bear arms, freedom of speech, the right to travel freely and so many other things. Canada, with out the US would be far beyond bankrupt and starved (as, as a nation it is incapable of producing its own food, raw materials and on and on and on). But, you and I do agree on one thing - we as people MUST be proud of our nations and defend our homes. If not, folks would and should leave...see how many have risked their lives to come to the US.

But, please, keep taking a ton more Muslims there....they are a peaceful bunch.

Oh, we also have a far better health care system. For so, so many reasons.
  • 2 0
 @RoadStain: you are so wrong on so many levels. Homophobic AND a bigot. So blinded by hatred that you can't see the forest for the trees. Again @mikelevy ban this asshat. Homophobia & Islamophobia don't belong on pinkbike. A Canadian website.
  • 1 0
 @Rageingdh: no , eliminating racism , homophobia and prejudice is important for all people.
  • 2 1
 @DGWW: when did I turn homophobic? Hell, I'm lost.

I guess, at least I am not an ignorant, uneducated prick on the internet who has no clue about the mean realities of life. Plus, soon as I let a Canadian bug me I know I need to ride more miles (on closed trails).
  • 1 0
 @RoadStain: When you said they were "sticking something where it doesn't belong" dumbass. You're just going to brush over the prejudice and Islamophobia part ?
  • 1 0
 @RoadStain: That healthcare system which is "so much worse" than yours is the reason we are flattening the curve and saving lives while your government is selling n95s to the highest bidder as deaths pass 50k. Same system that has thousands of Americans crossing the border to buy insulin and other drugs in Canada at 1/10th the price. And you call me ignorant...you should take your orange buddy's advice and try the Lysol treatment. How is that right to bear arms helping you out now ?
  • 1 3
 @DGWW: Ours are 50% empty because we are not treating PT's in a timely manor, you know, like in Canada. It is a shame that so many are suffering due to the panic caused by Chicken Little politics, who are suffering due to, and because of, but never had COVID. We as a people need to be able to sue those responsible for shutting entire states down. As someone who works in healthcare every day, it is shameful we can not help the masses due to the inferior few who can not "beat" COVID.

As for HIV, yes, you must be deviant, you must stick something someplace that it should not be stuck. You however need to get over your penis fetish. Most HIV cases have nothing to do with a penis.

What is even sicker, if a Canadian is in a US ED, they get treated, period. If a US citizen with out paying for insurance goes to a Canadian ED...no issues what so ever streeting them. It is disgusting.
  • 1 0
 @RoadStain: at this time 55412 people have died in your country alone from covid 19. Maybe it's time for you shut the hell up.
  • 1 1
 @Larkey1: Fake number....but, I am there first hand. Still, not quite yet equal to the seasonal flu.....but, pesky facts.
  • 1 1
 @Larkey1: when do we ban alcohol in the US????

An estimated 88,0005 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women5) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. The first is tobacco, and the second is poor diet and physical inactivity.
  • 3 0
 @RoadStain: good point hate when i go to the store to get groceries and accidentally contract fatal alcoholism, oh wait you cant do that?... hate those pesky facts
  • 1 1
 @endurogan: Only the weak die...plus, alcoholic tendencies turned out to be genetic...we are all mortal. Simply, again, Darwin ALWAYS wins. Always. If YOU feel YOU are threatened,YOU stay home. Do not insist others lives change as well. I have changed not a damn thing, but friends and family are going broke for no good reason. Strangers lives are not a good enough reason.
  • 2 0
 @RoadStain: well maybe your friends and family should pick themselves up by their bootstraps instead of complaining i havemt lost my job due to coronavirus so why should i care about them... theyre strangers afterall
  • 4 1
 How can I turn off notifications for this thread. Pls help.
  • 4 0
 @alexhyland: i made the mistake of commenting in the massive corona thread in the "trust performance ceases operations" article. Big mistake.
  • 1 1
 @Civicowner: All I am asking to know is what Trump thinks about Kim Jong Un's rumored death. I hope it pops up here.
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: All I know is the first thing that came to mind.....now, Donald will not have a gaming partner for his anual tournament of "Hungry Hungry Hippo's". Kim always wanted to be the green hippo.
  • 1 0
 @RoadStain: again - shut up
  • 2 2
 @Larkey1: Awwwww did thumbuddy huwt your feewings? Life too too much for you to handle in dis mean, mean world? Its okay, grab your Barney Doll and sing!!!! I love you, you love me......

My god, people are so pathetic.


(on a different note, just left a clinic, no cases of COVID this week only three last week and they were asymptomatic, plenty of people demanding free treatment for things they do not even have however).
  • 2 3
 @DGWW: R u saying people can contract hiv without sticking something inside of them?
  • 1 0
 @Rageingdh: You can get HIV from having sex with an infected woman. Technically that is not sticking something inside you. You can also get it if you get in a fight with someone who is infected and you break their skin.
  • 1 2
 @ptrcarson: So, I stick to my statement "Sticking something where it should not be stuck" - your fight example is one of the weakest I have heard, almost ever. Oddly, if you do not punch someone....

Besides, if you do, should you not have taken a Time Out in your Safe Space to decompress and hug the other person?

(edit: also, the female to male infection is generally via sex other than vaginal and will also require you to have an open sore or wound on the said penis, in that case, two idiots are involved. Transference is more common among uncircumcised males).
  • 2 0
 @RoadStain: Oh you just struck me as the fighting type, personally I don't go looking for fights.
  • 1 2
 @ptrcarson: Naaaa, I just run my jib on the internet (and frequently about PT's with the medical staff).

I did get into a fight in third grade with Kenny G (seriously) over a kick ball. Not the famous Kenny G.
  • 4 0
 @RoadStain: You know, this comment has really stuck with me since the first time I read it. I've come back to it probably 6 times, just thinking about what it really means below surface level.

What causes someone to mock other peoples suffering? What causes people to insist that those who disagree with them are pathetic? What does it mean if they think having your feelings hurt only carries value to children?

Arguably, the two things that tie all of humanity together are: 1) the universality of human suffering, and 2) the ability of humans to empathize with the pain of others.

All people experience a deep, existential pain regularly. It might be layered under other feelings. Anger. A retreat from acceptance of the pain of others. A desire to exert power in an attempt to mitigate that pain.

But we all feel it, at some time or another. The background noise to the human condition. The knowledge of suffering, and the feeling that it is inevitable.

So the question becomes, how does one handle these feelings? Even the famed Stoics didnt recommend ignoring pain. They said one should accept all emotions, feel them thoroughly and deeply, but to then act in a rational way unburdened by those emotions. To accept that we will always FEEL things we dont want to fell, but to disentangle feeling from action.

And of course, the rational thing to do is to show empathy and try and reduce the suffering we see in the world. To be kind when possible, firm when necessary, and to be always conscious of the wide-ranging power of our actions.

All of this is to say, @RoadStain, that while you're obviously an a*shole in the most basic sense of the term (and I sense you take pride in it!), I recognize that somewhere inside you are suffering. And while you have spent your time an energy belittling others in an attempt to mitigate that pain, I also recognize that it doesnt work. And that makes me sad. Even though you make every effort to be an absolute dick, I still feel a responsibility to you, simply because you exist.




Also, dude, seriously, just shut up.
  • 1 1
 @protwurst: Who did I belittle? According to the "woke", if I say that the largest percentage of the US prison population is black - well, I must be racist. I guess we are supposed to ignore the fact that that most of the criminal population of our prisons is black...

We as a people are supposed to not KNOW that homosexuality IS, by definition the end of evolution. Not passing judgement on the activities of individuals, just the fact is that homosexuals of any species (but for a few that are truly cross-sexual such as eels and some fish), simply, if every man and woman decided to be gay humanity would end.

We are supposed to NOT think that more often than not people get what they deserve? Do you think I feel bad for a person in the modern world with HIV? Not a chance. Do you think I feel bad for a smoker with emphysema and high blood pressure? Not a bit. How about a drunk driver who causes his own massive brain injury driving into a tree (and then sues the MD's who treated him)? Simply, too bad the crash was not fatal.

Do you want a true victim in this COVID thing? It is the millions of people who work day to day to pay their bills from month to month. It is the business owners large and small who go to work every day knowing that their business feeds the families of all of their staff. It is the CEO's who take the lead in times that in the USA are absolutely a violation of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Then, the ignorant plebians blame the successful people for achieving what they could not - financial wealth and power.

The true victims are not our dead friends and family members, that happens every day in every city on every continent. The real victims are victims of mankind and our inabilities to get over the fact that we are all mortal, and now are punishing the living in some delusional world idea of panacea. I'm just waiting for someone to want to make Esperanto the International Language.

As for the people in the US who are staying at home? Check out Hobbs (1951) - as for the rest of the world, well, unless we step up and DEMAND our rights, the USA is no longer the land of the free.


The Hobbs Act, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 1951, is a U.S. federal law enacted in 1946 that provides: (a) Whoever in any way or degree obstructs, delays, or affects commerce or the movement of any article or commodity in commerce, by robbery or extortion or attempts or conspires to do so, commits, or threatens physical violence to any person or property in furtherance of a plan or purpose to do anything in violation of this section shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. Extortion is a crime in which one person attempts to force another person to do something against his will. This applies to all American citizens, including Governors.

American business owners: Open your doors tomorrow. You have a legal right to.
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 @RoadStain: Most of this doesnt warrant a response, but as to the "homosexuality as evolutionary dead end," I can speak to that as a behavioral neuroscientist studying sexual behavior in animals.

Its just not. Its a natural variation in the population in the same way that any variation is. I already saw some of your earlier comments about "survival of the fittest," which is a fundamental misunderstanding of Darwinian theory. There are rodents out there that, when its time to reproduce, spend all of their time mating and then die of exhaustion. Its literally NOT survival of the fittest. Evolution requires merely that, on the whole, organisms with certain traits pass those traits on more frequently than those without. Theres a great Radio Lab about the effects of female sexual choice in driving evolution, you should check it out!

It could be that a set of genes controlling very important behaviors also rarely leads to homosexual offspring. From an evolutionary standpoint, this may be the normal equilibrium. Unfortunately, this is a sort of complicated subject, so its hard to distill down in a pinkbike post. But the main point is that there is plenty of space in evolutionary theory to account for a small percentage of a highly social species to be homosexual.

As for the place for homosexuality for our understanding of social behavior, its just not well understood yet. Homosexual behavior in animals is well documented. Its a natural trait arising from variability in the population. So many people want to make homosexuality out as some unnatural choice, when in reality its common in the animal kingdom, in organisms we wouldnt even say make conscious "choices."



Look, I can see you're trying to wrap your arguments in a cloak of rationalism, but you fail to explore upstream evidence. You're clearly angry that people dont accept the arguments you make, but they arent arguments rooted in actual evidence. Of course its not racist to say most of the prison population is black. Thats a fact. Its racist to suggest that black people therefore are inherently "more criminal," as it ignores all of the evidences that shows that black people are treated unfairly by both our economic system and our justice system. (To be fair, this is not an argument you have explicitly made, although it certainly feels like an argument that is waiting to come out of your fingers based on the other things you've said).

All of the things you say are things that sound perfectly reasonable when observed in a small bubble of isolated information AND when viewed through the lens of radical individualism, suggesting that people are perfectly rational and show excellent risk assessment. The problem is 1) people are actually inherently bad at risk assessment, 2) we are constantly influenced by those outside of us with more power that ourselves, 3) even on the best days we arent perfectly rational.
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 @protwurst: Nothing cracks me up on an open forum more than someone telling someone else to shut up.
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 @protwurst: what animals can procreate in same sex activities? Please, I can not wait.
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 @RoadStain: literally not what I said. What I said was lots of animal populations have homosexual members. Therefore, your assertion that a) homosexual behavior is an evolutionary dead end and 2) the implication that homosexual behavior is "unnatural" aren't supported by data. Homosexuality in animals is likely the result of a complex interplay of genetic factors, where it's more advantageous at either the individual or population level to keep those traits with the result of low population levels of homosexuality.

You're not presenting an actual argument here. It falls apart under any serious scrutiny.
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 @protwurst: :-)

Hey, on the internet we are only as right as we pretend we are!

That said, we can all try to dissect the human condition and even get into Marx and the Theory of Conflict. Or, even that no human has ever done anything "wrong". Even robbing a bank, one is willing to take the risk of jail time for the potential reward of free" money.

And, your reply is 100% correct on all accounts, but for the fact that in the US blacks are NOT treated equally. They are not often given the same chances as other races. We now can go so far as to say that Asians are getting screwed because no longer is "the best" candidate chosen for a particular thing - it is now the candidate that best fits into the mold society is deeming it needs to fit.

I work with one guy who is the most racist and hardest on blacks I have ever seen. He is a Neurosurgeon who is black. He hates the fact that most PT's think he was/is an affirmative action hire. The only African (born) person I work with is white (MD). I spent the day today with an "Indian" (India) woman who is Muslum...and born in South America.....
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 @RoadStain: I look at my 8yr old posts sometimes. Now reading yours - I think we have a rise of the new Great Commenter. You have the will to fight, to push. Stay at it, find yourself, you have some way to go, adjust. This site needs you. Whatever it means.
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 Stupid people are already what we know, but bored stupid people are even worse. Boredom and stupidity rarely do positive things. The Instagram post says that those wankers left load of nails, broken glass and tied string between the trees. This is pure hatred. I don`t get it
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 that was on a different trail outside Burnley I believe, not Greno still sucks though
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 @sewer-rat: it was grenoside, steel city dh track
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 These people are right up there with the bike thieves...
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 I would say worse. Someone that knows a trail that has been sabotaged and drops in not knowing could be in for a world of hurt. I would say if someone got hurt they should be charged with assault or endangering others.
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 @Tormy: Getting the bike you saved for for years stolen is a pretty big hit. Can end your riding entirely.
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 Sometimes this kind of stuff is done by the least likely of people.
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 Agreed. My secret trails got vandalised recently so I put a camera in the forest to catch the perpetrator. It turned out to be a ranger from the forestry commission who had been setting booby traps for me. They should 100% know better
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 @guytherev: what tipe of camera do you use?
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 @easyslorider: just a standard motion activated trail/hunting camera
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 @guytherev: did you report them?
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 @Jaylynx: let’s just say a case is being made right now for the return of my tools and for the trapping to stop
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 @guytherev: Setting traps... That is a beat down incoming.
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 @guytherev: Does secret = illegal/non-sanctioned?

Removing unsanctioned trails is part of the job description for a ranger from the Forestry commission. If you've been reinstating said trails after they were removed, you're both in the wrong.

The booby traps are unforgivable so they should lose their job and probably get a visit from the police. I hope that's your plan of action rather than trying to exchange tools for your silence on the booby-traps. That would leave the Ranger to continue being a psychotic danger to all mountainbikers.
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 @guytherev: trail hunting camera? Cool!!
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 @guytherev: Just out of curiosity, what are the booby traps the FC are setting?
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 @iainmac-1: From personal experience, the rangers will usually place a large number of logs or fell small trees across the trail for the majority of it and any features built will be removed/destroyed depending on what has been built and how it has been. What they done can look like booby traps to people riding but in their eye's they are only doing their jobs.
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 @blooradam: Your personal experience exactly matches mine. I have found the FC to be very willing to engage and accommodate for trails on their land as long as certain conditions are met - and they are very understandable. To moan about FC removing (sorry, "vandalising" ?!?) your super secret trails and taking your tools is a bit laughable. What do you think is gonna happen?
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 @iainmac-1: The are happy to allow unsanctioned trails as long as they meet their guidelines and are managed by the trail users, a few rangers I have met also ride and use the unsanctioned trails. As long as they are safe i.e. no large features, gaps, dig pits or dangerous features and the trails are out the way of footpaths they are happy for them to exist. The guidelines for unsanctioned trails on FC land can be read here: vscg.org/documents/uploads/Managing_and_controlling_wild_cycling_trails_FC.pdf

Leaving tools out in the middle of a forest, no matter hidden or not, people will take them as they just been left out in the open seemingly unclaimed.
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 @guytherev: I don't think that it's fair to compare what happened in Sheffield to secret trail "re-wilding' . We should all know what it implies to invest time in building without the implicit consent of land managers or owners, often illegally. Unfortunately as fun as our trails can be, if we don't work to make them legal, we are not in a position to complain when owners reclaim the land. Just saying. I do ride almost exclusively illegal trails. When trails are booby trapped, that is obviously not cool ( I've broken my hand because of it). I think that keeping communication open even with groups and individuals against MTB is key.
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 Yea kind of tricky for a Ranger who doesn't ride to "close" unsanctioned trails without it appearing like "Booby Traps". If you merely remove the jumps and built features, the trail will continue to be ridden and eventually the jumps returns. If just block the entrance to the trail, they'll ride around it. In my experience (I worked briefly in conservation doing some of this),we posted the trail as "unsanctioned" with phone numbers and emails for the riders to talk about it with us (privately owned trust land), and after reposting the signs 3 times (they kept getting torn down) we leveled the jumps and dropped tree crowns parallel with the riding lines. These were motos, so it was somewhat effective. I think more effective was just getting in a proactive user group (MTB, hikers, birders) to put eyes on the property more often. We tracked down the motos to a few kids who bordered the property and put fences along those sections.
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 @guytherev: Maybe you shouldn't build illegal trails?
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 @guytherev: sounds like a lawsuit, they were looking to cause harm.
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 @guytherev: I'm a Forestry Commission Ranger and I work with a group in my area who are building unofficial or unsanctioned trails/Wild trails. the trails they are building are in my opinion of the level a professional builder would be proud of, these guys understand the liability issues faced by the Forestry Commission and how claims affect the UK taxpayer and have been more than happy to listen to our case and build trails that are not only within the FCs tolerable levels, but still fun to ride for riders of all abilities.
For my part, I've reported back to my superiors that this group can be trusted and that the long term strategy should be to work towards a formalised approach for these trails that provides a bit more protection and greater freedoms.

Having said that other builders who are not keen to listen and who want to build something that they can ride that day or even within that ride, often want to get in on the action, it almost seems that their ego demands that they get some of the reflected glory from what has taken a great deal of time and effort to achieve.

One such rider, added a series of shonky jumps made from logs and sand on a fast, steep trail that slalomed through trees, we've had jumps that are pinned to trees, all tend to have massive borrowpits close to the edge of the trails and the feature they built, these are all the things the FC cannot and will not tolerate, it puts others at risk and in this instance puts the future of this site at risk. So for those reasons I will remove them.

Recently I discovered that the wannabe builder had installed a camera (on somebody else's land, filming other people, young and old without their consent) to find out who had been demolishing his efforts. He then proceeded to make aggressive threats across social media (is this the kind of person we want to trust with our trails?). Let me make it absolutely clear, there were NO BOOBY TRAPS, the trail was left intact, only he jumps removed and the holes filled in.

I contacted the builder and offered to have a chat and explain the long term strategy for the site, what the risks are and the FCs liability. So far he hasn't responded.
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 @gandalfsdad: @guytherev has left the building!
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 @Eduardoramundo: yeah I noticed that.
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 @Eduardoramundo: weird, he seems to have completely deleted his profile.
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 @gandalfsdad: lol I demand to know if it was @guytherev or not!
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 @gandalfsdad: I'm pleased to say that in our own local area's of forestry maintained land we have always had an honest and open dialogue with the relevant ranger as well. As long as all the points above have been adhered to and any building ideas are communicated in full we have managed to create some great assets for the local riding community. There have also been isolated incidents of vandalism from people unhappy about the growing number of riders enjoying the woods but 'traditional' users like horse riders have also been taken in to account in regards to calming fireroad crossings etc. Just making them (other users) part of the whole process has led to a better understanding of what we do and how we use the trails. Any renegade builders also seem to have started to disappear as the riding community has started to self-police a bit...awareness of what is and what isn't acceptable becoming common knowledge and anyone flaunting the rules having their efforts neutralised fairly rapidly. Instagram and social media athletes who build sometimes don't help when they create massive jumps using wood to create support structures that will inevitably fail at some point...and also not being clear as to whether they have the permissions in place to build. On the whole having a open atmosphere with the forestry has had a positive effect on our riding community - there's still some lazy sod's about who still don't appreciate that maintenance is needed though!
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 @kennyloggedins: I can relate to everything you have said. There's a much wider picture here and it's a long road to where we want to be and I say that as an mtbr as well someone who works for the fc. What I see is those who are in for the long game who understand the constraints and those who want short term noteriety based on what they have seen in the media, and let's face it some of that stuff is cool and we all want to think we want some of that. But the reality is (in the UK anyway) is that the land is owned by someone else. It may be called the Public Forest Estate (PFE), but that's ALL public, not just mtbrs, so whilst there's a responsibility on all of us to respect the rights of those who want to use the land, the liability still lies with the landowner/land manager.
Is the guy building the jump held together my luck, with a side order of borrow pit, who's only qualification is he's a capable mtbr and owns a shovel, prepared to to stand up in court next to the landowner and defend his build, with the added pressure that no matter what the outcome, greater constraints will follow?
I doubt it.
Work with the landowners/managers, not against them.
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 @Toutacoup: I rest my case. You be the judge.
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 The I don't agree with it so I should ruin it for everyone else mentality makes you a horrible person
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flag brodoyouevenbike (Apr 20, 2020 at 5:40) (Below Threshold)
 Thanks Obama, amirite
  • 19 2
 Maybe all of us mountain bikers should move to a large island and colonise it. The entire population therefore being mountain bikers, everyone on the same page, no more idiots, no bike thefts or sabotage, trails everywhere!
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 I nominate Vancouver Island!!
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 @HardtailZero: no the riding there sucks
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 @HardtailZero: Don’t come here. What you’ve been told is a lie. Zero riding.
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 @HardtailZero: Greenland. Everyone go there please.
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 And almost no girls
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 What about ebikes?
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 wankers
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 I say we staple their nipples to their nutsack and make 'em do situps!
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 Nothing like getting up at 4am to go vandalize.
The trail marker at the top of Espresso was burned by vandals too.
Who walks 4km up a trail to vandalize?
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 @Yaan: psychopaths apparently. She got a slap on the wrist considering she essentially set up log spears in the ground. Should have been tossed in prison for a couple years for reckless endangerment or whatever Canada's equivalent is
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 Funny enough, in the middle of NYC there's been a little freeride zone ongoing for the past 10+ years at the local park. Though not officially sanctioned, on the ground level there's cooperation between park employees and MTBers on exactly where and what can be dug. There's mutual appreciation I think because we get a place to ride, and in turn we keep the areas clean and maintain trails not just for ourselves but trail runners and dog walkers. Every trash can the park puts out costs X amount of money to be collected, so we end up "patrolling" a lesser used part of the park.

But being NYC, we've had to come to our own terms with another historic group that uses the deep woods - male hustlers. Over time we've had our features destroyed if they ventured too far into their territories, but usually a balance is met and kept.

Getting back to the main point of the article - we've definitely seen an upsurge in newcomers to the woods, but thankful that the worst they seem to do is stand pointlessly on top of tabletops or landings - for now. But seeing this article makes me realize it doesn't take much to destroy days, weeks, months of work. Shout out to everyone who puts love into their spots, and best of luck keeping them rolling.
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 Do they wear knee pads when they're doing tricks?
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 Ha - I've had the same experience in cities in Aus. Both user groups value dense untamed urban bushland. Perhaps there some kind of joint advocacy we should start up?
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 I wonder how our local trails will look like once we are allowed back outside. Hopefully just a bit overgrown and not ruined.
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 At least these tools did it in secret....if you’re from California your idiotic govt comes in broad daylight and fills in your skate parks w sand.
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flag PullMyBrakeLever (Apr 20, 2020 at 6:43) (Below Threshold)
 Source? I live in California and I've never heard of a skate park being filled with sand.
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 @PullMyBrakeLever: Venice beach. your supposed " idiot govt" had to do it to keep all the "idiots" who weren't obeying social / physical distancing out of the park. The sand will be easily removed when everything is lifted - with blowers, super easy considering it's right on the beach
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 @dguzzler: it's the hypocrisy of it.
when you can go to a store and shop but can't be outside...that's not about the virus.
When you can't buy seeds or paint but you can buy liquor...that's not about the virus.
When you can be shoulder to should with people in line to get in Walmart, but can't be in a national park with millions of acres...that's not about the virus.
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 @preach: are your HomeDepot / Lowes closed down? In AZ ours are open. I agree with what you wrote and sent it to someone I work with who wants to keep things closed to see what his thoughts are.
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 @MattyBoyR6: they are wide wide open and people are going there like crazy. The "paint, seeds, liquor" is the michigan governor who must just be on a severe power trip.

Talking to people who are in healthcare, our hospitals are empty, and they are laying off employees left and right. Social distancing also severly cuts down on the amount of car wrecks, but I don't think we want to be doing it for the rest of our lives...it's "an answer" but not The Answer.
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 @preach:
You gotta eat. You don’t have to get in line with people to see Old Faithful

It isn’t too hard to figure out why sites are closed if you realize how many people don’t take social distancing seriously. A lot of public land is open right now, just not the places everyone wants to crowd onto. We just can’t have nice things...
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 @gafoto: Yeah, I don't mean the "tourist destinations"
they have closed all of Pisgah (supposedly through August)...it's literally mostly a wilderness area.
Not to mention that they have proposed a complete campfire/burn ban, regardless of the fact that we have received about 4.5" of rain in the last week.
The rangers are out and about keeping people off the trails...yet we don't have the Staffing to "maintain the trails"?
The excuse is "you'll expose emergency responders, or rangers or park staff and then overwhelm the hospitals..."
Except the problem here is the most counties of Pisgah have 0 cases of CV and all the hospitals in NC are laying off workers.
This seems more like bureaucracy and less like common sense.
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 @preach:
Hopefully a lot of that messaging will adapt in the coming weeks. Some things probably will open, others will stay closed.

Looking at the Pisgah NF website it looks like most other NF closures. The forest itself is not closed, just some areas and all of the developed sites/trailheads. Hopefully that will not last all through the summer.

There’s a lot of moving parts to enact burn bans and it is probably much easier in terms of messaging to have a ban in place for an extended period of time than to enact it, rescind it for a single weather event and then put it in place when things dry out. Suppressing wildfires means bringing hundreds (if not thousands) of people all together to work in close quarters with each other in relatively unsanitary conditions. Fires are going to be a problem this year.
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flag preach (Apr 20, 2020 at 10:55) (Below Threshold)
 @gafoto: agreed, I hope they mitigate it sooner rather than later. But our governor is known for big government at all costs...so we'll see. God bless.
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 Wow
Y’all have fun at the book burning later
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 @preach: Trying to understand the connection between a book burning and public health measures designed to mitigate a pandemic. Re your earlier comment, it actually is about the virus. You think the state would want to shut down the economy like this for no reason? You bet they wouldn't be taking these measures without serious consideration.

0 cases means lack of testing, not 0 cases.
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 @lafayettebiker: Thus, I stand behind my contention that today, on top the couple dozen or so COVID tests we administered, we should have also checked for pre-cancerous skin cells, mammogram and PAP for all females (who have female bits), prostate and testicular cancer test for all men (who have men bits), maybe check for mesothelioma, diabetes, high blood pressure, ocular pressures....just imagine the lives we can save.
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 @lafayettebiker:
you realize that CV19 isn't going away. This Social distancing that was supposed to flatten the curve has done it's job. But the virus is still there, we have done nothing but postpone our exposure to it. Eventually we will have to have "Herd Immunity" unless by some miracle there is a vaccine, However those take years to develop. In your own state today they released the fact that there were 55x more cases in LA county than they originally thought, yet not accompanied by deaths/serious side effects.
Its way more likely that you and i will know someone who loses everything financially, than someone who will die from this.
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 @preach: FACT MONGER!!!!!
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 @RoadStain: facts are hard for the emotional/anecdotal to comprehend
Bless these millennial virtue signallers .....
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 @preach: Time Out! Everyone go to their safe space to decompress, this is just a "challenge" (we can not say "problem" as it is a hurtful word).

There, there....it is okay....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq734_nZ7Eo
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 If you catch em, don't tell anyone and bury them deep.
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 Had Some old guy drop some trees around a flat corner to drop. Drop was like 15 feet, had i been any slower to react i would have exploded all over the trail. People need to learn that people can and will die from their angry vandalistic tendancies if they cant get a f**king grip.
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 Ive had that done to the trails near where I live. I built all of them myself, and I used to spend every single day there building and I put a lot of effort in. I know how you feel mate.
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 The worst vandals in my area are the wild pigs rooting for grubs etc. Upside is that if you catch them they taste bloody good.
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 Probably people with short penis?
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 It is a shame this happens. It is such a vibrant area for biking, there is so much for all levels. Just out of order someone would do this deliberately. It's a small world so i hope it stops...what goes around comes around....
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 Sorry for you loss. Keep your eye's out for an older man riding a mid-90s Barracuda with 17inch bars. That guy messes up a lot of trails around here, he maybe vacationing near you.
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 I you build trail there is nothing more frustrating. Where I live it rains only a handful of times a year and you have to make the most of the wet to get anything done. On my current project there is some kid who loves to poach on a dirt bike and hit fresh builds while there wet. He'll even move the branches and logs I lay over new builds hit it once, fuck it up and move on.
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 Should bring back stocks, racks and other medievil torture devices for this sort of scum.
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 What would that achieve?
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 @JimmyWeir: yo sup why was i mentioned
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 @JimmyWeir: do... i know you?
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 One word for who ever did that W*nkers sorry but destroying a bike track for fun get a grip people we need things like this track after lock down finishes
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 Vandals are teenagers with nothing better to do than spray paint things. This wasn't done by vandals - this was done intentionally by hikers/walkers who can't share the trail
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 People that can't hit jumps destroy them. My dad has a theory that his mailman purposely damages his MX magazines every month, because nothing else arrives damaged. So the mailman's mom/dad never let them have a motorcycle...right?
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 Post more signs along the trails. If the trail has people and money involved in making the trails. A signs should say if vandals are caught destroying the trail in anyway, there will be a citation involved! Post those signs ever 1/4 mile along the trail. Install cameras along the trail to catch the criminals Smile
Maybe bigfoot will be captured on camera as well!
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 Albeit vile and despicable, this behaviour is still relatively harmless compared to whats going on here. In my home state, over the course of the last two years, some fully legal and sanctioned trails have been vandalized and booby traps have been set. In some cases it was really bad, people got seriously injured. Police is still investigating the cases - who ever did it, I just seriously hope they get caught. There's some nasty, deranged people out there.
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 I had a jump I built destroyed less than 3 days after I finished it, only got to ride it twice, these wankers don't deserve the air they breath
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 people f**K with my hand built trails all the time, i just shake my head, pick up the shovel and rebuild it again.
thats the love of MTB.
I dont ask for the sympathy through Social Media
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 Very true about the amount of people in the forest now. I have seen more people on foot in areas that have been used for biking. I am also seeing trail damage, some from bad riders, some from motorized, some from ignorance.
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 it's probably Loosedog. He needed the dirt to build a janky something close by
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 It’s a real stupid thing,some people’s just don’t respect others people work and effort,catch them and give them a good old treatment in this kind of cases
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 that's because people are assholes
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 And sadly it was 4 years ago this week he had a break in and had a load of stuff stolen.
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 assholes will be assholes!
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 And they never take a day off.
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 I have heard of wires at neck height at dh tracks
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 This happened to one of our local trails at the weekend. Nails placed on the tracks and fishing wire tied across at head height. As far as I'm concerned the culprit needs catching and charged with attempted murder
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 Something similar happened to our local trails over this last weekend. So lame.
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 Might be an act of revenge? Or spite? That's a very specific area to torch...
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 NO WAY....So disgusting !!!
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 Probably just walkers pissed off with some near misses, doesn't make it right but then again we are hardly role models in our hobby / sport. The amount of riders I have seen congregated at trail heads and littering over recent weeks has been awful. We all know it doesn't take much to wind a rambler up but by doing that, congregating, not social distancing, riding features that can endanger you and the NHS, riding close to walkers at a fast pace, littering and driving to trails (which is not currently popular in the UK) eventually something is going to get trashed.

Trails being trashed has been like an iceberg in the distance for weeks now, we really don't help ourselves at all. And yes they were bang out of line for destroying them but this has been coming (certainly where I live in the south of the UK) for a while
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 I see your point about congregations, but this is an area designated for mountain bikes and with proper features built by professionals isn't it?
It's not young Turks speeding down walking trails and mowing people over, from what I can gather.
Teenage guys in all walks of life in all sports have a tendency to do wankerish things, it's not anything to do with mountain bikers. It's about adolescence.
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 @jaame: absolutely correct it is designed for mountain bikers and probably sign posted also, but I doubt that makes any difference to the people that think it's ok to do this
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 @sewer-rat: I mean, I could understand walkers getting pissed off at teenagers riding like nutters on walking tracks like we used to do, but you can't get pissed off at people pinning bikes on a bike track. Can you?
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 @jaame: I was at Antur Stiniog a few years ago and an elderly couple were walking up the DH tracks spouting shit about the right to roam, so yeah, some people can get pissed off about almost anything.
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 @jaame: they’d probably find a reasonlol whether that being someone nearly killing / hitting their dog pedalling to the trails, taking up all the parking spaces or just basically being arses, plus they make think these trails are a drain on the NHS - people can be extremely anxious at this time
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 @commental: unbelievable! f*cking idiots!
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 Sorry Peaty! If you got a Go Fund Me, I will throw some shells your way.
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 Funnily enough there is a crowd funding initiative to do essential maintenance on the Steel City Race track and the DH3 track; my mates and I have already chipped in but looks like they'll need more now.
www.ridesheffield.org.uk/greno-woods-crowdfunder
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 Round up all the fat teenage boys in the area and you will find the culprits
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 Ebikers. Definitely ebikers...
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 Stupid people around the world!!!!
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 #20IQ
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 Nasty people doing nasty job !
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 Ramblers
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 Shoot on sight Is good policy in this cases
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 Angry boomer ramblers thinking they own the forests yet again.
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 Preride, Reride, then Freeride!
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 Too many bikers
Going now on trails/make new trail, destroying nature
Too many with the 501 , loam must splash, style
Too many idiots going in the wet
But with googles

Reflect a bit! Its not just the others
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 see below
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 people should understand that this is an EarthFirst! agenda. This happens with climbing areas too! issuu.com/earthfirstjournal/docs/dam_3rd_edition
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 Ok, so where in this does it talk about sabotaging MTB Trails and Climbing spots?

EarthFirst promotes direct action against environmental destruction, usually pipelines, timbering, oil extraction, mining, etc.

It's like saying that training used for self-protection leads to murder. Maybe in some cases, sure, radicalism results in a multitude of outcomes, but usually outdoor recreation sabotagers are bitter about crowds, an unfortunate negative interaction in the past, or "user specific" trails that they aren't supposed to be on.
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