Shimano Announces New Gravity-Oriented Pedals, Shoes

Jun 5, 2017
by Mike Kazimer  
Shimano has a new range of pedals and shoes on the way, including the first clipless pedal to wear the Saint badge. Take a look at the full details below, but before you reach for your wallet, keep in mind that these products aren't scheduled to be available until November 2017.

Shimano shoes pedals
Shimano shoes pedals

Saint M820 Clipless Pedals

The M820 is Shimano's the first Saint-branded clipless pedal, developed over the last three years with extensive input from Neko Mulally and Sam Dale, two downhill racers that are notoriously hard on their equipment. It might not be the most elegant looking pedal, but Shimano decided to prioritize durability over everything else when they created the M820.

The pedal doesn't have the pop-up clip-in mechanism found on the M646, which reduces the number of moving parts, and also reduces the likelihood of damage when it's smashed into rocks or roots. The chomoly axle was also designed to be nearly indestructible, able to withstand the forces generated from repeated hard landings and other impacts. Claimed weight is 546 grams per pair. MSRP: $160 USD.



Shimano shoes pedals
Shimano shoes pedals

Saint M828 Flat Pedal

Shimano's previous Saint flat pedals were reliable workhorses, but in the years since their introduction they began to become overshadowed by the thinner and wider options hitting the market. Shimano's response is the new M828, with an octagon shaped body and 12 pins on each side. The pedals are 1mm thinner in the center than they are at the front and the back, but the use of different pin lengths (5mm front and rear, 3.5mm in the center) helps to exaggerate this and create even more grip underfoot. Weight is a claimed 493 grams. MSRP: $180 USD


Shimano shoes pedals
Shimano shoes pedals


XT M804 Flat Pedal

Shimano will be offering two different sizes of their new XT flat pedals, one with a 100 x 105mm platform (460 grams), and the other with a 110 x 115mm platform (503 grams) in order to accommodate a wider range riders. After all, there's really no point in having a massive pedal if you have tiny feet, and vice versa. The concave pedals have 10 pins on each side that are available in 3mm and 5mm lengths. MSRP: $100 USD



Shimano shoes pedals
The AM9 now has a speed lace system and a quicker drying upper.

AM9 Shoes

The shape of the Shimano's popular AM9 downhill shoe remains relatively unchanged, but they now have a speed lace system, as well as an upper that's constructed from a quicker drying material to help keep them from getting saturated on wet rides. MSRP: $150 USD.


Shimano shoes pedals


AM7 Shoes

The AM7 is aimed at enduro racers and all-mountain riders, with a slightly stiffer sole than the AM9 - they're a 6 on Shimano's scale, while the AM9s are a 5. Mesh side panels help with ventilation, while neoprene gaiter helps keep debris from working its way into the shoes. There's no missing the bright lime green color, but there's also a more subdued grey / blue version for riders who'd rather keep a lower profile. MSRP: $130 USD.


Shimano shoes pedals


GR9 / GR7 Shoes

Not into clipping in? Shimano also introduced new flat pedal versions of the AM9 and AM7 - the GR9 and GR7. Michelin has stepped into handle the sole's rubber compound, and while Shimano does admit that the shoes may not be the absolute stickiest on the market, they say that they've achieved a level of grip that should work well for all riders.


Shimano shoes pedals
The GR7 has a neoprene cuff around the ankle, and mesh side panels.
Shimano shoes pedals
A look at the new sole developed in conjunction with Michelin.







161 Comments

  • + 113
 I suppose aesthetics, weight and profile aren't that important in a flat pedal...
  • - 27
flag chyu (Jun 5, 2017 at 8:54) (Below Threshold)
 aren't clipless supposed to be lighter than flats.
  • + 11
 @chyu: My XTR clips are 379g. There are plenty of flats lighter than that.
  • + 37
 @chyu: Strong, Light, Cheap…Pick Two
  • + 142
 Aesthetics, pedals? All mine look like they've been chewed by the Iron Giant within a week of being fitted, they could black, they could be red, they all end up hammered silver.
  • + 17
 @Euskafreez: These are probably strong, but cheap and light they are not.
  • + 10
 No through pins, daft price = inferior to current Saints.
  • + 2
 They've got a thinner profile and a bigger platform than the current-generation Saint MX80s. That being said, they dropped the through-pins and are selling them for three times the price. At that price the XTs and the Saint flats had better have sealed bearings, which was really my only gripe with the MX80s.
  • - 9
flag rumblefish255 (Jun 5, 2017 at 9:56) (Below Threshold)
 Haha. Not to Shimano. HT has nothing to worry about. Still the best pedals, clips and flats ever made. And the most amazig thing is you can actually get replacement parts for when you wear stuff out. Imgagine that Shimano, replacement parts for pedals so you can keep them longer.
  • + 3
 @Fix-the-Spade: That's why I get silver pedals lately, just add the hammering and it's done...
  • + 44
 @Euskafreez: Strong, Heavy, Expensive...pick three
  • + 5
 @zzRider: Nothing is inferior to current saints.
  • + 5
 @DandelionDan: What's your gripe with the MX80s? They're heavy, and they really should have gotten sealed bearings, but they have survived years of my abuse, have great grip, have adjustable height throughpins, and can be had for $60.

They're not my favorite pedals, but I'm in no rush to replace them. I think they're great pedals for the price.
  • + 1
 @Fix-the-Spade: I think that's a timing issue
  • + 1
 @properp: Nah, I just like rock music.
  • + 1
 @Fix-the-Spade: lol keep rocking just dont roll
  • + 0
 @jlobes: the cone bearing system is way more reliable than sealed cartridge bearings, as long as you have a mechanic adjust them for you right when they develop play the first time. The bearings are smooth, and better than any cartridge. Sealed bearings are a joke compared to shimano cone bearings when it comes to quality and durability. Why or how did you have problems? Mine were flawless, but I did have a pair I neglected that got a little loose.
  • + 1
 "Shimano decided to prioritize durability over everything else..." - well, I prefer this and beautiful pedals.
  • + 1
 @Euskafreez: XPEDO actually offers 3 with the Spry pedals with magnesium cage, 260g the pair at 80USD
But no one heard about them...
  • + 3
 @jlobes: I thought the MX80s were good until I tried some of the newer pedals out there... you are missing out. The MX80s are dated.
  • + 1
 @SonofBovril: shimano should leave flat pedals to the companys that already have it down. they should of been focusing on making fat bike cranksets instead.
  • + 0
 @qreative-bicycle: Maybe because XPEDO equals lemon ...
  • + 2
 @jlobes: Shimano doesn't make sealed bearing anythings, except for some shifters.
  • + 1
 @mnorris122: Even it the shifters there are cone bearings Wink tinyies bearings i saw in my life...
  • + 31
 Shimano finally manages to bring the 2007 line-up of flat pedals to market. Rather disappointing. Still new rubber on the shoes is a worthwhile upgrade.
  • + 29
 I think PB missed the biggest announcement: Shimano is finally releasing a quick link!
  • + 3
 April fools!
  • + 7
 I have been reliably informed Sram power links work fine with Shinano chains. This means I can create a real mongrel of a 1x10 - Works ring, Shimano chain, Sunrace cassette, Sram powerlink and Zee mech with Uberbike pulleys. Winner winner chicken dinner
  • + 3
 @fartymarty: It's true, SRAM and KMC links work fine on Shimano chains.
  • + 2
 @Klainmeister: cheers, my frankendrive will live.
  • + 2
 @fartymarty: I run shimano chains with sram powerlink and sunrace 11/36 with 21/34 OVAL chainrings and 26 rear and 650b front in 26 fox fork. This is a FrankenbikeSmile
  • + 1
 @Reelchef67: I bet the 26/275 combo is a winner. I was wondering if a 275 would fit my Fox but you have answered my question. I squashed a 29x3 into my 29 Float so knew they had a little extra room.
  • + 19
 Shimano need to make something heavier duty than the xt/xtr trail pedals, and lighter than these saint or dx clipless pedals. I like my SPD mechanisms and i like my enduro specific marketing buzzworded niche products!

Shut up and take my enduro specific boost pedal money!
  • + 3
 Well you could get some DX pedals and drill a few holes in to the plastic part!

But personally I like the Shimano way, to have pedals a bit heavier but build them amazingly durable (I can't believe the amount of bashing my DX pedals have sustained without ANY loss of functionality).
Especialy, if you know how much pain in the ass it is, to have a mechanical with your pedal.

I hope the marketing department hasn't figured this out...because to me it seams that for 9/10 people, shimano pedals last for lifetime.
  • + 19
 So much innovation.... Can't wait for the new Shimano Mini Disk player to come out so I can listen to tunes on the trail. I heard it's going to come with the best headphone cord every made on it.
  • + 5
 What innovation do you really think is possible in the world of chunky pedals designed to last?
  • + 12
 @mgolder: More a general comment. SRAM comes out with GX Eagle and Shimano comes out with some flat pedals out of 2005
  • + 4
 @wibblywobbly: The same GX we are sending out for warranty over and over because ...
  • + 6
 I'm with you here. There is NOTHING progressive about these products. At the very least they could have made them look good. They're late to the party, they look awful and there's nothing new to make them competitive. They're not even cheap. Larger platform on the XT pedal is the only good thing I can spot here.
  • + 6
 @OrangeGoblin: oh too bad I guess the worlds most reliable component brand should have consulted your impeccable taste to which everyone must agree to
  • + 2
 @blackthorne: Exactly! THANKYOU! I'm glad someone finally realised that MY preferences are all that matter.
  • + 19
 Counting grams on pedals is usually silly, but when one weighs almost 550g compared to a spank oozy that weighs 360g, that's almost a half pound of extra weight!
  • + 7
 It depends on how long you want your pedal to last and how often you want to rebuilt it.
  • + 5
 @RedRedRe: true. I tried spanks, busted a bearing on the first pedal strike!
  • + 6
 @robwhynot: that is some bad luck. I hit mine all the time. Lots of hard strikes since what we have here are rocks and more rocks, and they have been going strong for about 2500 miles and a year and a half.
  • + 2
 @pcmxa: Happened with a pair of straitlines as well.

Yet both Spank and SL get pretty good reviews... bah, oh well
  • + 1
 @RedRedRe: I have the answer rove r2. They are 427 grams, which is about in between the Shimanos and Spanks. I recently crashed so hard the pedal bent sideways in the slx hollowtech crank. pedal fine; cranks went into the trash.
  • + 1
 @jdendy: deity bladerunner, 370g, cant go wrong with deity.
  • + 1
 Canfield Ultimate's are $150 and weigh in at 342g. And they come in all sorts of colors! My choice for flats when I rode them. I'm riding VP Components VX Adventure Race, which weigh in at 462g and cost only $80. I'd love to run the Saints, but it doesn't seem justifiable. Glad they finally released one though.
  • + 16
 I can't wait to nab a set of these new Saint pedals off of the next Pinkbike "Online Deals."
  • + 8
 Direct to the clearance section on CRC
  • + 12
 I like the fact they have the bigger size on the xt pedal. might be worth trying. There arent a ton of options in that size range.
  • + 2
 Superstar components are bomb
  • + 1
 pedalinginnovations.com/science

As clown shoes as these bad boys look everyone I know who has tried them has ended up loving them and keeping them.
  • + 4
 Do you know what they say about guys with large hands and large feet?
They wear extra large gloves and large shoes that require large pedals.
  • + 3
 @amrskipro: I literally just ordered the new OneUp pedals to replace my PI pedals. The length is nice but the grip sucks and they aren't nearly wide enough for my size 14 feet. So there ya go, someone who has tried them and isn't keeping them
  • + 2
 I did get a chance to put my foot to the pedalling innovations pedal this weekend for the first time. They feel like they could use some refinement. Maybe on an xc bike they would work for me.

I currently rely on vp harriers (and the azonic branded version of it). I really like the size shape and grippiness but the bearing life is really lacking.
  • + 2
 @amrskipro: I think I've been running these for a year or so (right when they came out, preordered them). I've got four pairs. On the commuter bike, cargo bike, mountainbike and mountain unicycle. If I pedal hard on any other pedal it just feels wrong. So yeah, these are addictive Wink .

I'm fine with the way they are now, but the most recent version has got more and longer pins than the first batch.
  • + 2
 @amrskipro: Count me in. I have two pairs of these pedals and they are great.
  • + 14
 Ouch, 503g...
  • + 33
 to be honest, we'll end up shaving 100g off these next time we crash through a rock garden
  • + 3
 I find it funny when people comment on how much components for their bike weigh and try to get super light bikes. Yet a lot of people don't worry about their own weight while eating some Taco Bell and chugging a Mt. Dew lol. Nothing towards you, but yes these are heavy.
  • + 24
 @JPickel: "before spending hundreds euros in the new carbon shit, look at what you eat and ride more!" my wife to my friend and I.
She's right.
  • + 28
 @JPickel: lighter weight components allow for more beer and chicken wings.
  • + 8
 As is typical Shimano...they are not heavy they are heavy duty. Doubt people that run these will end up wearing them out any time soon. My current Saint and XTR SPD pedals have taken a beating without any issues. My brother on the other hand has killed multiple pairs of flats from other brands in the past three seasons.
  • + 2
 Bent 2 Saint pedal axles so far, my Crank Brothers Stamp pedals have taken more abuse and are lighter, still not wrecked.
  • + 8
 To all the people complaining about the price of this stuff, when's the last time anyone paid MSRP on Shimano gear? It'll all be 50% off online a week after it comes out.
  • + 5
 Disappointing they didn't come out with a new axle diameter "standard". Or at least use something like a Whitworth thread and claim a 1.1% improvement in stiffness. [sigh]

Actually, the pedals are too pricey for my means, but I would bang if/when they go on clearance.
  • + 9
 if it was sram who came out with pedals, they'd be have proprietary threads which they've patented and would only fit sram's cranks and would refuse to license the thread design.
  • + 5
 @colourclashing: if it was Sram, they'd make the crank and pedal one piece to save 7.2g
  • + 8
 @IllestT: if SRAM made them, they'd be utter dog shit, like everything else they make, all bar the rockshox products.
  • + 4
 It's not Shimano you can blame for the ever-changing game of standards.
  • + 1
 @cunning-linguist: Even my mid grade, 3yr old 11spd? I know I had to change the cable once but. Brakes are another story.
  • + 10
 180$ for 500g pedals?
  • - 6
flag oldtech (Jun 5, 2017 at 12:06) (Below Threshold)
 Walmart sells economy pedals bro
  • + 2
 Maybe not wallmart Smile but Performance sells the Convet (?) pedal for $50 which is Very grippy and durable.
  • + 2
 Don't worry mate, it'll be less than 1/2 that from Chainreaction.
  • + 4
 @FurryCrew:
is there another version of crc i dont know about? i haven't seen a good deal on there for years
  • + 5
 Why do DH/platform pedals always go for the water proof/minimal venting approach? I live in CO where rain is rare. My feet get roasting half way through a sunny lift day in 5-10 and similar shoes. Neoprene ankle glove is the very last thing I want on my feet. I'd love a highly vented platform shoe instead.
  • + 6
 510 make a canvas top version of the Freerider, that's about as far from waterproof as you can get
  • + 5
 @src248: That version of the Freerider has a flexy sole and inadequate toe protection IMO. I want stiff, solid protection, lots of vents.
  • + 5
 Not sure how the flat pedal ends up costing more than the SPD, but ok. Interested to try the saints, I'm still on M647 DX pedals even on trail bike as I didn't like the feel of the XT trails! best ever made.
  • + 3
 so no spring loaded clip in facility...despite inventing it? you must be MAD to buy these and not DMRs, which are so darn effective. Bonkers to leave that ability behind... when's the last time that got bust by a rock... like never..
  • + 2
 I think a little extra weight on pedals provides better feel and feedback. Besides being more durable. I have been running some of the newer, superlight/superthin pedals and did like the lack of feedback. All pros seem to be riding the taller ones.
  • + 7
 Nice design, though
  • + 5
 Coming soon to Chain Reaction at below wholesale prices!
  • + 1
 M820 pedals weigh almost the same as the M647, yet lack the pop up binding that made them great, and cost significantly more. All Shimano really had to do was make the M647 less fugly! Will be looking elsewhere to replace my two pairs of M647...if they ever die.
  • + 2
 Just a question -- what's the point of a flat/SPD hybrid? It seems to me that if you're running flats, then you don't need the clips. If you're clipping in, your shoe takes care of the flat part.
  • + 11
 It's for DH riding, if you become unclipped in a techy or rough section and don't get a break to clip back in, it gives you a platform to stand on, just until you can clip back in. Better than trying to balance on a tiny slippy metal lump. Smile
  • + 5
 Some riders, like myself, feel more connected to the bike clipped in with a platform. On the other extreme is crankbrothers egg beaters and with no platform all the pressure is on a focussed area of your foot. Even with really stiff soled shoes the pressure is focussed. Btw, I'm talking Xc and trail. I wear flats for DH.
  • + 3
 @robwhynot: truth. I've never had a pair of shoes stiff enough to not give me hotspots on platform-less clipless pedals. & the platform adds some friction to the float, so you don't feel like your riding on ice skates.
  • - 7
flag oldtech (Jun 5, 2017 at 12:07) (Below Threshold)
 I think they're for people that still don't know how to clip in properly. It gives him a platform to stand on. I can ride my Clips like their Flats. I wish I could ride my flats like they were clips. My shins tell a different story.
  • + 5
 If you use a shoe with a skate style sole like 510 clip less, you can have the feel of flats while clipped, ie no radical pivoting feel like trail/xc options. You will be clipped, but get the feedback from the pedal much like flats. You can feel the platform under you, instead of a center pivot floating feel.
  • + 1
 i'm going to be holding off until CRC gets some in stock as you'd have to be mental to pay that MSRP, as at those prices i'd rather just get some crank brothers also mainly because at least it's easy to get a service kit for them.
  • + 1
 To start with sh!t talking, the lack of the lace up in the AM9 is a mistake. that being said, I want to give those clipless saints a try. i switched to mallets, but long for the ease of use and adjust-ability of spd. so these seem like a good option save the utilitarian look.
  • + 1
 The shoes look really good but the pedals seem a little disappointing, the XT flat looks nice but the new saint clip seems very underwhelming after what seems like the longest wait for a new product ever. After all this time hoping for an updated pedal to replace my M647s its a bit disappointing, expensive too.
  • + 1
 Too heavy? I get it, fair enough. Too expensive? MTB parts costs are out of control, totally understandable. Easily broken? Possibly the worst thing any product in MTB can be labeled.

But people worried about pedals looking ugly... for real? They're pedals. Not the frame, not your bar and stem. Not your fork or wheels- hell when you're riding them, you can't see them! Unreal.
  • + 2
 Had saint pedals lasted 5 rides with em, even without the washers on the pins they still lacked grip, dmr for the win they have so much more grip and are way more comfortable and lighter!! For $110
  • + 2
 160,180 USD?
Oh my god.... simply too expensive and we have lots of way more cheaper options from other products.....common... shimano get your self together....
  • + 4
 What are the thicknesses?
  • + 1
 I want some of the Saint clipless.I also do not think they are ugly and who cares about the weight most all mountain and enduro bikes are heavy anyway. Spds are the toughest pedals on the planet
  • + 1
 I am forever pulling the flap open on my AM9s on trail debri. Does anyone else have this issue? I really like the shoe, comfortable light and reasonable strong but I am starting to think they are not ideal for trail use
  • + 4
 The color coordinator needs a drug test.
  • + 2
 I just want the pedal to be easily rebuildable. Something not possible with their last DH flats.
  • + 2
 old saints are rebuildable, you just can't get individual parts for them, just the complete axle assembly.

They're still making the old saints, calling them Gr500 www.bikeradar.com/mtb/news/article/atherton-racing-team-with-shimano-to-unveil-new-shoe-pedal-lines-50077
  • + 3
 Those are the ugliest shoes I've ever seen.
  • + 3
 if u think these are uglier than a pair 5-10s your opinion is not valid
  • + 1
 As soon as the manufactures stop calling clips: "clipless" The misnomer will go away. The rest of us have moved on, wire the manufacture still doing it?
  • + 1
 Hope they have improve the soles of the flat pedal shoes. I would get 6 months tops out of the old ones. Great design, crappy sole.
  • + 1
 I'm going to get some shoe goo and stick the tread off an old bmx tyre on the soles of some Osiris skate shoes. Just to see like.
  • + 1
 Shimano is the King. IU am ecstatic about the new shoes with a split top instead of a single velcro. respect.,,, ,,,,and no way you can up my 959s they are perfection.
  • + 1
 It would be awesome to have an option of how the clips are "sunken" into or above the clipless pedal. It might be possible with the saints.
  • + 1
 I really like these new XT flat pedals. Most MTB don't have any pins nearer to the crank ams. So I end up buying BMX pedals instead (which do). Thanks Shimano !!!
  • + 2
 Was hoping for a floating pedal like the m647 was. This just looks like a HT pedal to me...
  • + 2
 My VPs look identical to the Shimano SPDs, Except I bought them two years ago. For $79 in retail shop.
  • + 1
 I like the speed lace on my Salomon trail running shoes, but I love the regular laces on my AM45's more!
  • + 2
 Look out fiveten ha ha ha .
  • + 2
 Now available for your fishing needs
  • + 2
 I think I saw Billy Bob Thornton wearing these shoes in Sling Blade.
  • + 1
 Any news on whether there's also a women's version of the shoes coming out? My better half's birthday is coming up!
  • + 1
 So new Saint groupo on the way? Hmmmm
  • + 1
 Wow flat pedal's for my rigid 26er! Hahaha
  • + 1
 what happen to you shimano................?
  • + 1
 Where is Saint M10000!? Gawd take forever with the order come awn
  • + 2
 180 Bucks ?
  • + 1
 180 smackers
  • + 1
 $160 USD? I'll wait for clearance sale on next spring
  • + 1
 Those XTs are looking pretty good Wink
  • + 6
 I actually just excitedly said aloud "wow XT flats"
An now Normal people are looking at me funny
  • + 2
 A bit thick possibly, but I really like the look of them.
  • + 2
 @mgolder: ya the profile and shape look good, but are those tiny machined grooves all over the flat surface? Any of these designers ever try to CLEAN anything?
  • + 1
 that shoes look's like 2FO or it's me ?
  • + 1
 A little to little too late...
  • + 0
 Love the look of the Saint clipless. I"m in! @shimano when will they be available to buy?
  • + 1
 nevermind...actually read the first paragraph...November Frown
  • + 1
 Wellgo V8 copy FTW
  • + 1
 xt yay saint nay
  • - 2
 Still no sealed bearings Shimano? Good thing there's a 2yr warranty, free pedals every 6 months for life! Smile
  • + 10
 How are you going through Shimano pedals every six months? Mine last years without needing any service.
  • + 2
 Every Shimano pedal I have had of the last 25 years has been bomb proof. Zero issues, other than one set of 535's from back in the day. My current XT trail pedals are 5-6 years old and I have never touch them. What are you doing to destroy the bearings?
  • + 3
 I'm running an old set of DX flats (10 seasons!), and all I've had to do is replace pins. They are on their third bike now. Mind you, I'm way too old to be hucking to flat anymore!
  • + 1
 On one bike, I have been running the same shimano spd pedals since 1995.
  • + 2
 @RedRedRe: I have on my DH bike an original DX clip-in, still going strong and nothing wrong!
  • + 0
 Must be an XC thing. XTR pedals last 6-12 months (4000-6000 miles) before the spindles have 1/4" (or more) of play in them, bushings completely shot. It's nice to get new ones but warrantying them is a pain, I'm slowly switching over to SPD pedals with sealed bearings like offerings from Xpedo and ISSI as the weight is the same, cost is the same, and bearing durability seems much improved.
  • + 1
 @davidccoleman: Or any XTR thing. Never had issue with XT or DX across the board
  • + 4
 @bman33: Could be. Tough to put pedals that heavy on a 20# XC bike. XTR's are 100g heavier than several other competitors offerings in that range, and if they're also less durable, well.... there you go.

I'm kinda surprised you trail/gravity guys have no issues with durability of the Shimano bearing/bushing system. I've seen the XT's and XTR's stacked up at shops with massive bearing slop from 140# XC guys after a race season or two.
  • + 0
 @davidccoleman: I have a set of XT trail pedals on my enduro bike...several years old. No issues. I even hit a few bike park days here in Colorado with them. Now Crank Brothers....I have blowup up two of those and every person I know with them has has issue. Mallets that is.
  • + 3
 The bearings are adjustable. Takes not even 5min to adjust and regrease a Shimano pedal....
  • + 4
 Still running some DX646s from the 90s!
  • - 3
 I liked the original saint flats. Cheap, solid, reliable.
  • + 2
 I did too. What the hell makes these cost twice as much?
  • + 1
 @Rucker10: nothing, people are just willing to pay more for them.
  • + 1
 they have pretty ass grip tho to be honest, with my 2FO flats they lose grip all the time
  • + 3
 @declanmtb: @declanmtb: I had that issue with Saints and my 2FO's too until I upgraded the pins to aftermarket 12mm through ones. A bag of those allen bolts cost next to nothing. Transformed the grip.. and then I bought Burgtec Penthouse MK4's and got a lesson in REAL grip on the 2FO. Saints pale by comparison, but were tough buggers for me.
  • + 1
 @nickkk: love the look of the burgtec pedals aye, just cant be f*cked buying them at the moment
  • + 1
 @declanmtb: They were pricey right enough, but significantly different, the larger platform is something I dint think I needed but it feels better for me with eur44/uk9 sized 2FO's. For what to original Saints cost, they were great for me I have to say. Try the pin upgrade though - Big difference for not alot of $$$.
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