Shimano Introduces New 'Linkglide' Drivetrain Technology with Bold Longevity Claims

Apr 27, 2021
by Henry Quinney  

Shimano introduces a new drivetrain technology today, Linkglide. It’s designed not to be the lightest weight but to prioritise durability and shift performance. It also represents something of a fork in the road for the brand’s drivetrains. There will still be Hyperglide+, and this will remain the lightweight fast shifting performance range, while Linkglide will sit alongside their current offerings, as opposed to replacing them.

Shimano claims that their testing shows that Linkglide cassettes are 300% more durable than prior Hyperglide cassettes, and three times less degradation to the cassette should mean fewer chain skips, more mileage, and better shifting long into the cassette’s lifespan.

Linkglide will be available in either 10 speed Deore (RD-M5130-SGS) or 11 speed Deore XT (RD-M8130-SGS).

Before we all celebrate too quickly, there is one small catch - the Linkglide technology, while introduced in Deore 1x10 or XT 1x11 speed as a highly durable option, is not cross compatible or retrofittable with current drivetrains due to different gear pitches. All Linkglide components will feature a logo to differentiate them from their stablemates.

A CS-LG600-11 11-50T XT cassette, pictured, weighs 780g. The CS-LG600-10 11-43T Deore cassette is slightly lighter at 634g.

The teeth of Linkglide cassettes are made from plated steel with a new shape to reduce wear and tear. The teeth feature a thicker and more robust construction to prevent wear in the areas that experience the most degradation over time. Linkglide cassette teeth are also taller and stronger towards the tips to prevent chain skipping and tooth deformation, even as the miles add up. Sprockets 11T, 13T, 15T of the cassettes are replaceable.

The Linkglide cassettes also feature a new shifting gate design and position, enabling the chain to move smoothly across the sprockets. These gates aim to reduce pedal shock or jumps during shifting, providing better pedaling fluidity and smoother pedaling performance.

The SL-M8130-R XT shifter; the SL-M5130-R Deore shifter is available with an optional shift window.

Two new shifters, again Deore and XT, are available. The XT has multiple clamping options whereas the Deore makes do with a simple band. The shifters use a different pull ratio to the rest of Shimano's range so are not compatible with non-Linkglide systems. They are, however, somewhat interchangeable with each other thanks to a linear pull ratio. That means an 11 speed shifter will work on a 10 speed derailleur.

Linkglide cassettes are compatible with standard HG freehubs. To accompany the new Linkglide cassettes, there are also new Deore XT and Deore derailleurs and shifters. The derailleurs feature Shimano’s Shadow RD+ low profile design and clutch mechanism.

All Linkglide drivetrains use a common chain design, regardless of the number of cogs on the cassette. Existing 11-speed Shimano chains are compatible with Linkglide drivetrains. It’s perhaps also worth noting that all Shimano 11-speed chains are currently e-bike rated or e-bike designed and that whilst the gear pitch changes on Linkglide cassettes, the required chain pitch does not.


427 Comments

  • 376 15
 Fewer gears, more durable, classic freehub design... what a revelation. If the price is right, and you can actually get it, this seems awesome!
  • 113 9
 For once it seems that Shimano is listening to the market instead of doing their own weird thing! Well, at least the PB comment market...
  • 46 6
 This is amazing. Thank you Shimano.
  • 13 1
 Indeed they seem to be listening.
One thing tho, are there any references about the derailleur being any tougher than normal? Reading this on the go
  • 52 5
 this is literally all I want from Shimano. cost-effective, reliable, and not a million gears. no one needs 13 gears. Now lets hope they can get it in stock.
  • 244 5
 780g? 780g! Woah!

780g for an XT 11-50 tooth cassette is a lot. I'm not fussed by a few extra grams at the wheels center. An extra 100g here or there, not a problem for me. But this is 400g+ extra weight over many other cassettes on the market today. Literally a full pound heavier than many. That's not nothing.

Definitely aimed at the e-bike crowd, and those who are not at all weight sensitive.
  • 49 0
 did you not see the "weighs 780g" part for the XT cassette??
  • 23 1
 @sspiff: They couldn't help themselves by adding a shift display option though lol And non-replaceable biggest cog is a whiffle.
  • 41 0
 Intrigued, until I got to the weight. I, for sure, don't need the lightest, but that is... a lot.
  • 32 12
 @sspiff: I guess the market is calling for more e-bikes then?

Could have fooled me. I thought the market was calling for more 'analog' bike parts, not e-bike parts. I mean, regular cassettes, chains, and derailleurs are sold out into 2022...

We'll all be riding e-bikes in no time at this rate because that's all that will be available. I am smelling a conspiracy here I think. E-bikes are being forced upon us (lol)!

Ps - I have absolutely nothing against e-bikes. I just wish regular bike parts were more available right now.
  • 2 1
 @healthy-not-sick-biker: nothing wrong with that Smile
  • 31 1
 @geltmanl: We all know the adage by now, I hope? "Strong, light, and cheap: Pick any two."
  • 11 1
 @privateer-wheels: compared to the 470g for the XT hyperglide, that's a lot. That being said, if it lasts and is a little more robust- I'm a heavy rider who sometimes shifts poorly- it might be worth the trade if the price is okay. If it actually lasts 3x longer, I could pocket the difference over time and buy nicer wheels.

Then again, 300g extra is a lot. It'll be interesting to see where customers fall on this one.
  • 3 0
 @privateer-wheels: I went to a bike store the other day and they only had ebikes left
  • 3 0
 @krehzeekid: For sure, the benefits will be compelling for some people. I think many won't be able to get over the weight penalty though, for standard mountain bikes.
  • 20 1
 @iantmcg:

You, with a mid-season mechanical, at your bike shop: "Hey, I broke my chain."
Your bike shop: "We're out of chains until 2022, but we can sell you this eBike, chain included!"

It's going to be a rough year. A word of wisdom, buy yourself any spare parts you may need this season NOW, otherwise that little joke may actually become reality!
  • 78 0
 Let's call it what it is: An E-Bike drivetrain. For better or worse. No one is using this on a regular bike when 12 spd deore is so cheap and waaaay lighter.
  • 6 2
 @mobiller: I think they said they are all steel? Meaning you wouldn't need to replace the largest cog...
  • 9 4
 More durability, good! But it's on hg, I've never ridden an ebike, but on normal bikes I always got the cassette's cogs to dig into the aluminum free hub body. Even back in the 11-36 days. It'd get stuck on. I'm 220lbs of pure muscle (plus another ~15lbs of dad bod tho). Wouldn't ebikes make this far worse? Do they need steel free hub bodies for hg? Wasn't microspline designed to fix this issue? I mean, if we (regular bikers) are going to benefit from heavy duty e bike parts, then the lack of interchangeability here is concerning.
  • 9 2
 Just to put an idea out there, but taking a 10 speed deore LinkGlide drivetrain with the XT shifter (which they do say is compatible) keeps the weight down, price down and benefits of multi shifting from the XT lever. That sounds exactly like something I'd put on a hardtail to keep costs down and durability up, or on an enduro bike that sees a lot of km per season. If you're concerned about weight, use the $$$ you saved on not buying new cassettes every year or two on carbon wheels or something.
  • 5 4
 @hamncheez: But you will need to replace the 11,13,15 tooth cogs says Shimano? We all had a steel cassette or two back in the day, they are ridiculously durable but that largest cog does go eventually if you're using it to mountain bike.
  • 17 9
 Disagree- finally wheelsets come with XD or microspline and now Shimano brings HG back? It's an outdated standard, is heavy and the ratio it narrow... and they seem to have forgotten that all those steel cassettes eat the alloy HG freehubs for breakfast.
  • 5 3
 @barp: but this ticks one, strong, it’s not light and it’s not cheap
  • 9 0
 @hamncheez: Um yeah, I'll pass. I don't want to add nearly a full pound to the rear end thanks.
  • 7 0
 And you can thank eBikes for this.
  • 19 70
flag DoubleCrownAddict (Apr 27, 2021 at 10:55) (Below Threshold)
 @tgent: As an e biker, I have to say this looks totally unappealing. Just because you have an e bike doesn't mean you don't have any concerns about adding weight to an already heavy bike.

This also just adds to the compatibility nightmare of working in a bike shop, now you have 2 different 10 and 11 speed Shimano drivetrains that aren't compatible with each other. If I owned a shop I would be tempted to just ditch Shimano and go SRAM wireless for new drivetrain sales, it's so much more reliable and superior shifting than the cable crap.

The fact that Shimano feels obliged to introduce this just shows that they themselves don't think their existing drivetrains are accurate and reliable. I agree, they aren't. But entirely new technology that eliminates the rear derailleur is the answer, not polishing the old fashioned turd technology that's been around for 100 years. The claim of 300% more durability is very dubious. Does anybody really believe that? A little bit of grass in the derailleur is still likely gonna throw off the shifting, a rock or stick can still break or bend the derailleur in a split second, and there is still break in adjustment/cable stretch.

This is not progressive technology from any perspective. You still have the archaic, unreliabile derailleur chain technology that is likely to break or shit it's pants in bad weather. But now it's heavier and is not compatible with hyperglyde. This intro is almost a month late, should have been introduced on April fools day. Shimano is lost again, like when it took them 5 years to realize 1x was a thing.
  • 3 0
 @privateer-wheels: if there are more e-bike specific parts available, wouldn't it free up some demand on regular non-e-bike rated parts, though?
  • 3 0
 @tomtom96: Sure, it will cull some demand coming from the eBike side I'm sure. But even without that demand, I think we still have supply issues. We need more MTB parts too.
  • 4 1
 @barp: Or in this case: "Pick one"
  • 2 2
 @mobiller: Where does shimano say you need to replace the smallest cogs?
  • 5 0
 @CM999: Did I miss where they gave MSRPs in this article? I didn't notice any prices; just assuming it won't be terribly expensive since it's not XTR and it's not 12-speed. @dannybob
  • 1 0
 @privateer-wheels: I’ll never see this on a XC bike.
  • 15 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: Current drivetrains aren't really designed to handle superhuman amounts of power and ultrahuman power spikes for extended periods of time, along with hamfisted shifting at these power and torque levels. An above average rider will average 150-200w on a multi-hour ride. This is fine with curent tech. But putting out a combined 350-500w will destroy a drvietrain in short order. Current gearbox tech cannot shift under load well, and its not really lighter than this yet, and we also dont know if there is a gearbox that can reliablly shift under hamfisted crazy high loads, if at all. E-bikes are still on the 55-65lb range, so arguably, adding a couple lbs here and there isnt going to affect the bike as much as it would a bike that is 40% ligher.
  • 11 25
flag mhoshal (Apr 27, 2021 at 11:38) (Below Threshold)
 @privateer-wheels: why whats wrong with your bike that you can't just go out and ride it instead of complaining about not being able to get the latest greatest parts? Lmao all I here are a bunch of ungrateful complainers. I'm still riding my 2012 reign almost daily and I'm having a blast doing it so I don't see why everyone is whining about this shit. Get over yourselves already...
  • 19 1
 @mhoshal: where did I say there was something wrong with my bike?

When not being able to get parts means not being able to fix your bike to ride it after a mechanical, I think that's cause for concern. No? New or old, 2012 or 2021, if you can't get a chain mid season and you are off your bike for the remainder of the year, that is problematic. You totally missed the point.
  • 3 0
 @mobiller: I think these are targeted at e-bikes and lots of people who ride e-bikes won't be long time cyclists and will probably appreciate the display
  • 23 2
 @DoubleCrownAddict: If you owned a bike shop? You don’t even own the couch you sleep on in your mama’s basement!
  • 11 0
 @chrsei: HG is definitely not outdated. It has been around for a long time, and it still works just fine. I run HG 11-speed on all of my bikes, and it has plenty of range. 11-speed drivetrains are alot less expensive, and seem to be easier to find too.
  • 1 0
 @tgent: slipped through the Pinkbike filter somehow
  • 47 0
 @privateer-wheels: We're trying real hard to change this narrative. Parts supply is constrained, yes. We haven't run out of anything at our shop...yet. We were down to our last 12 speed chain - got some more just recently.

We had a customer, from our of market, try to buy multiple chains to 'stock up' like you are suggesting. I told him this and I'll tell you the same:

"If everyone only buys what they NEED, when they NEED it, then we will all (for the most part) get to ride this summer and into the fall when parts demand will slow down and supply can start to play catch up. If you (and everyone else) buy one spare chain and two sets of spare brake pads and have them on your garage shelf all year, I can guarantee that will mean someone else doesn't get to ride this summer because the supply chain does not have 2x the chains and brake pads available."

We are all in this together. And if everyone just chills out and takes what they need, not what stops their anxiety, then we will all get to pedal on and keep it together! There are enough parts to go around. It just takes some creativity on all of us to get there!
  • 5 66
flag DoubleCrownAddict (Apr 27, 2021 at 13:30) (Below Threshold)
 @bicyclelifestyle: I'm tired of hearing the excuses, other companies are working on it but Shimano is just investing in and recycling junk derailleur technology. I'll never buy another Shimano part again and I would encourage others to join the boycott if they want to start seeing real progress and maybe motivate Shimano. Don't buy any of their crap and don't buy bikes with their crap derailleur technology they are currently offering. Send a message to Shimano. Be part of the positive change.
  • 31 2
 @DoubleCrownAddict: Positive change? All you ever spout is negativity.
  • 14 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: Please, present your solution to the bike world. I'll wait.
  • 4 10
flag thenotoriousmic (Apr 27, 2021 at 14:09) (Below Threshold)
 @DoubleCrownAddict: Shimano doesn’t care are high end mountain bikes anymore. They make most of their money from low end bikes and road. Most of their current motivation seems to be based on getting a bigger share of the ebike market.
  • 3 0
 @kcy4130: at least with my onyx hubs, they have a little piece of steel that spreads the load from the cassette to the freehub body's aluminum.
  • 4 0
 @adrennan: and they also make a steel driver. For Classic hubs anyways.
  • 5 4
 you mean like Box Components?

People are realising that unreliable, 500 dollar cassette, 12 speed drivetrains arent really up to the task of serious MTB.
  • 9 19
flag davemud (Apr 27, 2021 at 18:19) (Below Threshold)
 @sspiff: Really? its not compatible with any of their current products. Back when they made 10 spd road and mountain not compatible with incompatible uni directions chains that went over like shit.

New pull ratio meaning Shimano expects shops to carry yet another system along side their old stuff, Sram, Box, Sunrace, Microshift and Campy.

Shimano shifting and retention sucks a minute after you install because they eliminated all the room for error during the idiotic N+1 cog race that doesn't serve anyone well in the real world and was completely uneccessary.

Everyone BUT Shimano has 8 and 9 spd wide ratio systems because once again Shimano is too arrogant to listen to the market. Bur wait 3 years and they will.

So what do we have here? Another closed system and attempt by Shimano to force everyone to only use only their shit. The big revelation? heavy hard steel cogs last longer... what a f*cking break through by a company that can't even keep up with the market on one of their ebikes.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. I hope you can't find ship dates for Sunrace and Microshift any where because the supply situation helped them to scoop up Shimano's bread and butter. Shimano is a company that really needs to have their asses handed to them in a big way when this is the best they can do.

This is however my favorite bike industry press release ever. Shimano said yeah, we know our old shit sucks but the new stuff won't be better but we claim it will last 3x longer. Great! 9 weeks of almost good reliable shifting! I guess that's a life time under the Shimanosphere. Yay Shitmano.

Hey Shimano, if you're listening you all drive cars right? Motorcycles? You wouldn't tolerate a car or even a motocross race bike you had to replace the transmission in every 3 months to a year so why the f*ck do you expect us to tolerate that from our bicycles?
  • 2 8
flag davemud (Apr 27, 2021 at 18:23) (Below Threshold)
 @adrennan: Look else where. it will be 5 years before Shimano swallows their pride enough to do what Sram, Box, Sunrace and Microshift have been doing for 3+ years now. Same ol Shimano always off the back of the market.
  • 1 13
flag davemud (Apr 27, 2021 at 18:24) (Below Threshold)
 @privateer-wheels: You should actually try riding an ebike since you obviously have no clue what its like.
  • 4 0
 @mobiller: has anyone actually ever worn out a 50t cog? Does it really need to be replaceable?
  • 2 0
 @chrsei: dude I cannot agree more! Going back and forth between standards is not cool. A free hub driver for my onyx hubs costs ~$150 USD. So add that to the cost of converting BACK to HG driver tech? Why?
  • 1 5
flag Durtwrx (Apr 27, 2021 at 19:52) (Below Threshold)
 Your dealing with snowflake generation @mhoshal:
  • 10 1
 @davemud: I assume you work for a shimano competitor? Based on how you're attacking them for actually trying to solve a problem that's my only conclusion. That and I'm here to watch you get down voted into oblivion.
  • 2 21
flag DoubleCrownAddict (Apr 27, 2021 at 21:17) (Below Threshold)
 @ratedgg13: Instead of hoping for worthless downvotes why don't you just critique what he posted? Cause most of what he says is true. Shimano mtb shifting is not reliable. Mine works better with the derailleur clutch off but with the clutch on it totally sucks cause of the extra resistance.

So to improve their crappy shifting, Shimano is doing what SRAM did decades ago by changing the pull ratio, and making it incompatible with all the previous Shimano groups. Slow walking stubborn idiots!

I hate SRAM almost as much, but their shifting technology blows Shimano out of the water. This is just heavy garbage that is a decade too late.
  • 3 1
 @davemud: Your sarcasm meter must be broken. Most of my comments were pretty tongue in cheek and I've gone so far as to say I am ambivalent on eBikes. I don't mind them.
  • 1 0
 anyone want to buy my eagle drivetrain?
  • 1 14
flag onemind123 (Apr 27, 2021 at 22:12) (Below Threshold)
 @privateer-wheels: e-bikes and covid vaccinations are being forced on all the sheeple.
  • 2 0
 Now if only they could keep up with stock then I could sell customers on this so they can convert their 3x9 bike that they just bought on marketplace or from their neighbor so they could get more into riding!
  • 1 0
 @adrennan: I don't need 13 gears either, but I was starting to like the idea of a compact SLX 10-45 12 speed with Deore XT mid cage derailleur and a small chainring (26 or 2Cool . If I only had an 11-43, that is not as appealing. The fact that it is much heavier and more geared to e-bikes as others have said means (for now - never say never) I'm not interested.
  • 6 9
 All you loozzzr's without motors on your bikes should be thanking us eebers for getting you long lasting and better shifting drivetrains! Youre welcome
  • 3 5
 @thenotoriousmic: the time of the high end non ebike is gone my friend. not had a single enquiry for a high end analogue bike for months, everyone spending 3 grand plus wants electric now.
  • 4 7
 @DoubleCrownAddict: you don’t buy shimano because it’s good. You buy it because it’s heavily discounted online and you can buy it for next to nothing. It’s cheap crap that doesn’t work particularly well and will be ready for the bin within 12 months but will actually do the job short term.
  • 1 4
 @b45her: high end as in anything that’s above £2k and is actually designed to be used as a mountain bike. Shimano make way more money from low end Mtb, the kind you get from Walmart or Halfords with alivio groupsets etc that they’re not really interested in battling it out with sram for smaller margins in the mtb market.
  • 2 0
 @privateer-wheels: I'd agree, it's all good till you factor in that extra weight nearly double a standard 12 speed cassette. I'm guessing an all steel and very durable steel at that cassette
  • 1 9
flag mhoshal (Apr 28, 2021 at 4:00) (Below Threshold)
 @privateer-wheels: so you're too afraid to ride your bike "in case" a mechanical failure happens lmao sounds like a piss poor excuse not to ride to me. I'd rather ride my bike til it breaks and not be able to get parts, then not ride it because I can't get parts. The bike my as well be broken if you're too scared to ride.
  • 1 8
flag mhoshal (Apr 28, 2021 at 4:05) (Below Threshold)
 @privateer-wheels: you're not on your bike anyway when you're too scared to break something so whats the difference whether its broke or not you still aren't riding it so clearly you're missing the point as well as the 14 tools who upvoted you.
  • 1 0
 @barp: 80 euros for the Deore level cassette
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic:
If you only had a little idea of sram groupsets wholesale prices vs shim...
  • 1 0
 @Arierep: Negative. It looks like the consumable parts will last longer, that is all
  • 1 0
 Almost like Sram durability
  • 4 1
 @mhoshal: what are you getting on with now? Who said they are afraid to ride their bike? Now you are just making things up. Your posts are totally cringe worthy.
  • 4 0
 @kcy4130: The original Hyperglide Freehub design was made of steel. It's not really supposed to be made from aluminum, but other manufacturers did it anyway to save weight at the cost of durability. Shimano doesn't produce aluminum HG Freehub bodies. Spiders do help with cassette bite, but even then the smallest cogs still tend to dig in to the aluminum...
  • 1 0
 @adrennan: Anti-Bite guard. Lots of companies do that when the make the freehub body out of aluminum.
  • 2 1
 @gnaralized: shimano is worth something like three times as much as sram. They have the resources to complete with sram if they wanted to. They obviously have no interest in doing so or they wouldn’t have let sram absolutely dominate the mtb high end mtb market. It’s clearly a deliberate decision not to complete.
  • 2 12
flag mhoshal (Apr 28, 2021 at 10:26) (Below Threshold)
 @privateer-wheels: for one you're a douche bag for using the word "cringe" lmao what are you a teenage fruit cup and two you said you don't wanna break a part and not be able to get it which intails you are "scared" to break a part for fear of not getting another one. My point is if you're bikes just gonna sit there it may as well be broken. I know its a complicated concept ymfor a stupid person such as yourself to get so I'll keep saying the same thing until you finally clue in to how stupid you sound saying you can't ride your perfectly performing bike for fear of breaking a part and not being able to get said part. My point "again" is your bike may as well be broke if you aren't gonna ride it you little Nancy boy.
  • 5 1
 @mhoshal: You're a joke. Just read your profile, and don't need to know another thing about you. Enjoy your pathetic life tolling on Pinkbike.
  • 1 10
flag mhoshal (Apr 28, 2021 at 10:58) (Below Threshold)
 @privateer-wheels: enjoy your pathetic life babying a bicycle you loser. Let me know when your parts are in so You can actually show me how to ride instead of showing me how to be the biggest pansy in the world. "Boo hoo I can't ride my bike because I'm scared I'll break something" lmao you're a straight douche canoe!!!
  • 1 1
 Shit gettin real in here over some new bike parts. Step away from the keyboards folks. Go break some shit so you can appreciate what new parts bring
  • 2 0
 @won-sean-animal-chin: I'm cool as a cucumber hommy. I have very little concern for my own self, as I have more than one bikes and a bounty of used spare parts. My concern is for the unsuspecting sole who has a newer generation bike and doesn't have the warning or foresight to grab a few extra parts now to avoid potentially long downtime in the near future should they encounter a mechanical. We got a sneak peak last year, at what 2021 will offer. Derailleurs, chains, bearings, all of those small items you can't do without are already getting hard to find, and it's only April. t the wholesale level, restock for many of these things is now forecast to be 2022. Take that for what it's worth and do with it what you will, but I'd say having some extra bits on hand now could save you some heart ache later.
  • 1 0
 @privateer-wheels: ya thats what im doing. Few extra things that i know ill need. My comment wasnt directed at you. More the constant cynical comments on our first world problems. Bikes are fun af. Go ride them and be happy. This shit is small potatoes. We're fortunate to have these "worries"
  • 4 0
 @mhoshal: waki, is that you?
  • 3 0
 @ratedgg13: Naw. That dude was always a douche: before waki left, while waki was gone, after waki returned.
  • 1 0
 @privateer-wheels: I’d say you’ve hit the nail on the head, this reeks of E-bike specific component ranges.
I cant for the life of me think of why this would be applicable when 10, and 11 speed offerings still exist, and Shimano makes a range of 11 and 12 speed offerings.

This, coupled with a 1.8 head tube standard is the start of more E-bike specific equipment that isn’t cross compatible with what we currently have.
  • 2 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: I like that the shimano clutch is serviceable. Srams 2 cheapest offerings won't last a year of riding before the wimpy spring fails to upshift out of the lowest cog. GX level seems fine though.
  • 2 0
 @chrsei: who needs alloy freehub anyway?
  • 2 1
 @bicyclelifestyle: still inferior to a pinon because less maintenance, hidden and shielded against all elements including rock strikes. A dedicated chain tensioner is way more reliable then a derailleur. Or just switch to a belt drive. Less maintenance on chain or even less on that belt. That Extra weight I would not care. The efficiency I would not care because realistically all our drivetrains are not working in lab conditions. Dirt will take some efficiency out of the detailer setup. Perfect chainline every time
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  • 1 0
 @Serpentras: My big question about Pinion would be to compare it's efficiency with a moderately dirty conventional drivetrain with the chain running at a slight angle.
Even if the Pinion was less efficient, then my question would be: is this efficiency delta equivalent or smaller than switching tyre casing type? Say, going from Exo+ to DD or from DD to DH casing. Because if is, then I would mind it at all.
  • 2 0
 @Arierep: well we probably never know, maybe some independent MTB mag or even PB will do that? I would really want to see the results because this is the only downside I really care about.

You maybe have more weight on the BB but you lose your casette, so additional 300/550g less on the back for better working damping. Count the lost derailleur and you can be lose even more. More mass on the low BB is really good so I would not care of its additional 500-1000g.
  • 1 0
 @Serpentras: Yeah, I couldn't care less about the extra weight on the BB.

On the other hand I'd like to have a proper objective efficiency comparison, but in realistic conditions. Because, like I said, if the difference was within certain brackets, then I would care either.
  • 1 0
 Just copying BOX components.
  • 163 2
 Industry: "Check out our new e-bike parts."
Pinkbike community: "LAME! Literally no one wants that."
Industry: "Check out our new e̶-̶b̶i̶k̶e̶ parts."
Pinkbike community: "Awesome! Exactly what I wanted!"
  • 61 0
 Everyone was tricked because they weren't called e-cassettes. Slick move, Shimano!
  • 3 1
 @AndrewFleming: Also, why theres no colorful e-mtb hashtag under article from pinkbike?
  • 5 0
 Spot on. You wanna real 11 speed, super light, durable group buy old XX1. This was actually made for MTB not necessary e-MTB. My cassettes weigh 350 grams. Not almost freakin kilo.
  • 75 0
 11 speed is the new 12 speed!
  • 40 3
 still holding my breath for the 10-45 eleven speed cassette....
  • 32 0
 I'll have a wide range 7 please
  • 18 0
 just wait til you try 10 speed.
  • 6 0
 @TerrapinBen: Antisquat on most frames now are optimized for a 50t rear cog....
  • 10 0
 @fartymarty: sram EX1 is 11-48t 8spd. 8 gears for the price of 12.
  • 7 0
 @adrennan: I never left it.
  • 5 0
 @TerrapinBen: check out Garbaruk
  • 1 0
 @fartymarty: I"m not so sure you'll like those cadence changes lol. You'd never break a chain though......
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 @TrekXCFactoryRacing: I'm dying to try Prime 9 (when its in stock). I firmly believe that all us non-XC riders would benefit from larger cogs. On my road bike, I'm used to 2x11 and when I rode my buddies 2x10 the jumps were too big, so I'm not just biased. I had a 9-42 10 speed E*13 cassette (same range as a 10-46) and the larger jumps were awesome. Now I'm on Advent X (11-4Cool and its so much better.
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 @hamncheez: Hard to go wrong with Prime 9 for the price. I have a 12spd bike for mountain and 7spd for road so 9 spd should close the gap well. I hate the gear jumps on my 7spd. The 12 is near perfecct (Sram XO1) but the chain is kind of fragile.
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 @TrekXCFactoryRacing: my single speeding legs of old beg to differ. Seriously though there would be some big jumps but the tradeoff in weight and drive train strength would be worth it
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 @Kongfu: unfortunately it looks like they don't make the 10-46 any longer
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 @fartymarty: If you're a single-speeder I'd just like to say congrats on your fitness achievement. But I still think 7 speed sucks. I hate the giant dead spot in your pedal stoke while you wait for the chain to drop. It can be the difference in a sprint finish.
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 @fartymarty: Try the 9-speed 11-50 from Box Components. I'm happy with it.
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 Something I've been wanting to try is the sram ex1 on a mountain bike. I heard you can easily modify the shifter to allow multiple downshifts
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 @TrekXCFactoryRacing: Throw a 13-21 7-speed cassette on and you'll solve your gear jump problem and improve your spin and improve your power.
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 @hamncheez: if that’s true, that seems like a poor design. I don’t pedal in my easiest gear on most uphills because I want that easy gear for when the trail gets unusually steep, or I’m on a multi-day epic. Would be a bummer to have anti-squat optimized so... suboptimally.
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 @hamncheez: don't even need to mod the shifter. It's X-actuation. Any modern Sram shifter will work. Hell you could probably get away with Shimano 12.
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 @Marcencinitas: I'd probably actually try that if my 7 speed was worth the money. It's a 2018 Trek Marlin that's falling apart because I ran it in to the ground racing.
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 @TrekXCFactoryRacing: i'm on 11/50 ZTTO 9 speed. The cadence changes were rough on the parking lot, but then again, I dont need to change 4 or 6 gears from going slightly up to going down. Shimano 11 speed RD with Sram 9 speed shifter.
The most notable thing is the long crank vagueness while changing gears because of the slack there will be between gears. But then again, never was a problem, as I always back down the power during shifts.
Based on this, I really think Adevent X is the sweet spot.
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 @hamncheez: The benefit of the 45t vs 50t that I see is simply that you can run a smaller derailleur cage. If most modern frames are optimized for a 50t rear cog, that is a shame. Who wants to risk running a long cage derailleur if you don't have to?
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 @TerrapinBen: I still think peak derailleur design was the 9-42 oneup 10 speed. Under $300 grams. Nearly Eagle range. Allowed for a 28t front ring on a 29er. It shifted like crap, but that might be more due to the 10 year old x9 derailleur on that bike...
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 @Notmeatall: I have a friend running Advent. He likes the shifting performance but said the clutch isn't great and that he drops chains in the rough sometimes.
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 @TrekXCFactoryRacing: My advent X shifts better than the 11 speed Xo1 I was coming from, and I've never dropped a chain. Granted I've only put a few hundred miles on it between my two bikes (that both have it).
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 780 grams for an XT cassette? no thanks
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 Definitely meant for e-bikes.
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 ...ebikes
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 @privateer-wheels: already blown through and XT Hub, xt 12 spd Cassette and chain on Ebike approx 35hrs of riding. This is what ebikes need. More durability for longer life and harder shifts.
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 @privateer-wheels: This makes way more sense.
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 @schlayer: 100% agree with you.
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 Indeed- before anybody else googles; XT 12s 10-51 Casette: 470gr, XT 12s 10-45 cassette 461gr, XT 11s 11-46 cassette: 439gr.
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flag DoubleCrownAddict (Apr 27, 2021 at 11:12) (Below Threshold)
 @privateer-wheels: If you are going to add weight to the e bike drivetrain to make it more reliable, just do it in the form of a gearbox integrated into their motor that eliminates the rear derailleur, especially since drivetrain efficiency isn't as important on e bikes.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: An ebike with a gearbox? they call it electric motorcycle.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: Watch for the Valeo/effigear prototype
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: @DoubleCrownAddict: if you're such a genius why don't you design a gearbox drivetrain that well enough to become viable? u constantly spout shit about why gearboxes are so great, have you failed to notice that gearboxes haven't caught on?
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 @chrsei: I'm definitely staying on the 11sp XT train. Affordable, readily available cassettes and chains, plenty of chainring options, and dependable HG drivers. I ride 2-3x a week and get a season and a half out of this setup with minimal maintenance. No complaints from me.
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flag DoubleCrownAddict (Apr 27, 2021 at 13:13) (Below Threshold)
 @mackay66: I'm good at rhyming and blogging, not engineering. The longer these companies hold off on gearbox technology the slower the progress. Had Shimano put something out 10 years ago, it would be that much closer to perfection today. Instead we are still in the infant years of gearboxes. Rear derailleur technology flat out sucks, there is no defense for it in the year 2021.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: other than ripping your mech off they do work really well and are reasonably light for how well they work.
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 Right? 780 grams is like 1.8 POUNDS. That's insanely heavy.
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: they WERE reasonably light... until this
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 @chrsei: An electric motorcycle has a throttle.
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 If it's so much more durable - why not go down to a 10 tooth or even 9 tooth, and then you only need a 40 or 42 big gear (vs 50) for the same ratio, which would have the added benefit of bringing the weight down to something a bit more manageable?
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 @chrsei: why would you need a gearbox on a eletric motorcycle? the rev range is so dam high, it doesnt need a gearbox.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: That seems like the next logical step in the evolution of e-bikes to me. Decrease unsprung weight, remove the much less-reliable-on-an-e-bike derailleur, and decrease component replacement intervals on the e-bike. I'm puzzled why no companies have adopted this.
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 @sngltrkmnd: 11 speed shimano for life!
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 @chrsei: Right? 300 grams is enormous! Shimano is clearly aiming for more competitively priced E-bikes coming out (alloy frames, entry level suspension).
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 This is their "Boost" - pretty soon SRAM will introduce "Bald Eagle", 8 speed, fewer teeth - old school with a ton of skipping and chain suck.
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 Careful with that shit, SRAMs gonna offer you a job.
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 Mystic Levy wrote an op-ed a few years back about eMTBs driving innovations that riders actually want. This looks really, really interesting for a lot of people.
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 Indeed, but will it sell? I would be surprised to see this specced on complete bikes anyway.
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 It looks like the clutch doesnt have an on/off switch, is that right?
  • 5 0
 Oh interesting...so what happened to that man "mystic levy" btw?
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 @n734535: I imagine it'll largely get specced on eMTBs, but will do well aftermarket. I'm still sad that SRAM EX1 didn't get more traction.
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 @brianpark: I liked the idea of EX1, but it was creaky and not durable in reality, my dad wore through a lot of cassettes on his commuter and had to warranty several parts of the drivetrain…
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 @brianpark Where is levy? Where are you hiding him?
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 @brianpark: I wanted EX1, but the price sent me running a mile, and I settled with 10speed Zee as a reliable eBike solution.
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 I fail to see the "innovation" part of this. Isn't it expected that a heavier material will last longer?
  • 6 1
 @brianpark: if you need a 50 tooth cassette on an Ebike, you should just buy a dirt bike (and less fast food)!!!
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 @brianpark: Maybe because it was extremely pricey for what it was?
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 @brianpark: just reading your article on bike repairs delays, this product will also assist bike shops in the future with bikes needing less maintenance. With the huge up tick in drivetrain munching ebike sales, drivetrain manufacturers must beef up their products because 4+ week waits for a service or a repair is not good for anyone.
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 @brianpark: Yeah but Levy also predicted that Overdrive 2 "isn't likely to disappear"
Broken clock and all that Wink

www.pinkbike.com/news/Giant-OverDrive-2-Steerer-tube-sizing-2011.html
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 @IMeasureStuff: Assist bike shops with bikes needing less maintenance in the future? That’s just profoundly genius. With most component and bike sales now being online, shops are probably seeking ways to also minimize service.

And selling fewer cassettes! They could almost avoid being held up with that annoyance altogether if they only sold this hunk of iron. They could get back to selling the big $ stuff like grips, co2, tubes.
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 @dtimms: you surely have not seen uphill stage of E-EWS. Another plus for the 50t, dead battery.
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 Available Q4 2023.
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 Struggling to find a reason to complain...
  • 50 1
 not cross compatible? increased confusion and skus for the normal joe
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 not in stock?
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 weighs more than SX?
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 Musta missed the weight. Why would anyone buy this over SLX 12 spd, unless you are riding an E-Bike.
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 @tgent: this is specifically for Ebikes
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 I can think of 780 reasons.... apart from that, no, looks awesome!
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 I've never had to replace a cassette due to wear and tear and ride hundreds if not thousands of miles a year. I always just replace when I build up a new bike or want to change gearing. How often do people go through cassettes?
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 Weighs more than a frame
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 @CM999: not hyperbole
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 @senorbanana: also more headaches/inventory for shops.
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 @ou812ic: this has definitely been designed with ebike in mind. We have a couple ebikes in the house and if ridden conservatively you might get 1500km or more on a cassette. But riding it in turbo up all the trails all the time and it's more like 500km.
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 @ou812ic: "hundreds if not thousands of miles a year" :-)
On my commuter/touring bike I clock 3-4000 miles a year. I also ride through the winter, even when it snows. So for me it's one cassette every 2-3 years.
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 Well hello there. I ride an ebike cargo bike daily all year round in Vancouver all weather and I want this Deore 10spd version.
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 Yep, definitly a great drivetrain for commuting somewhere with lot of steep roads.
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 Could be a sweet ebike divetrain. I know, I know, haters rejoice, but the struggle is real.
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 Meh, MicroShift will still be cheaper than this. I went MicroShift on all my bikes including my eeb and it’s much better than my 12 speed XT because I no longer think about my drivetrain lol. Props to Shimano for coming out with a product that prioritizes durability over weight. Even on analog bikes, a ton of riders want it to just work and not break the bank.
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 It was built specifically for e-Bikes to address the additional wear caused by high power from e-Bikes.... However I suspect it will be more popular with people who just want more reliable and longer lasting drivetrains on their normal pedal powered bikes.
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 I've had a YT Decoy for a couple of years now. I blew through 11 speed cassettes and chains at a crazy pace and then I bit the bullet and upgraded to XT 12 speed. I haven't had any cassette issues since. Still gotta keep an eye on the chain stretch though.
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 @Jamminator: 250 watts is not high powered. The only way to bullet proof for E bikes is to limit shifting, because nobody who rides an E bike pays attention to their shifts under load.
  • 4 0
 E-bikers are human too. Unless your name is DoubleCrownAddict.
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 @Zimbaboi: 250w on the EP8 is just base wattage, it doesn't include what the rider is outputting, which could be 300-350 watts on a climb. On the Bosch CX system it could be 400-450 watts after rider's own input. The latter is what an XCO World Cup rider averages during a race... Bike shops are seeing e-Bike drivetrains destroyed in less than 500km. You're right, shifting under load does have a big part too. I suspect the biggest culprit is simply lack of cleanliness on drivetrains, people just grinding away dirty drivetrains because it can be hard to hear the chain over the subtle motor noise or feel it being gritty over motor assistance.
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 FINALLY! Shimano was basically building their entire mtb groupset with their focus on XC bikes. Now we've finally got an acknowledgement that a huge number (most?) of their customers do not fall in to that category of riding.
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 Park rats and Ebikers are the minority. Sorry to say
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 @Zimbaboi: Not sure what kind of riding you do, but most people in this area would take a bit more weight in favour of durability. There's XC riding here, but it's mostly 'grind to the top and then descend'-style stuff.
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 @Zimbaboi: I’d say cx country is the minority. Most I know would sacrifice weight for more durability. That’s trail, enduro, dh, ebikers etc.
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 @Stampers: maybe a few grams here and there. But most wouldn’t want to add a whole pound, particularly when cassette durability isn’t an issue for hardly anyone. These cassettes will wear just the same as any other, you still need to change and lube your chain regularly or you’ll have to replace it. The derailleur I can understand. But this cassette make so sense
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 Covid drivetrain to prevent all the hordes of e-bike Joeys from nuking their drivetrain in 5 rides.
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 What's not to love? When you wear it out, you can anchor your yacht with it!
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 if ya buy a mountain bike right now, chances are you will not be able to afford a yacht
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 Now this is cool but can we get at least one shimano part to come in stock joe
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 Joe
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 Joe Mama
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 I like this, but then I looked at the weight difference for my GX cassette and this is like 300g heavier. Does seem to make sense on an eeb though.
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 This seems like mostly good things, but I cringe at another "standard" that doesn't need to exist. I can't wait for all the people putting the wrong shimano 10s chains on their drivetrains...
Or coming into the shop without their bike and just say "I need a 10 speed shimano chain" and have no idea what the differences are.
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 Can I get some clarification on incompatibility and exactly what "gear pitches" are? Is that another word for shift index? I'm suspicious that it probably works fine with other same spd shimano. Also gonna need to see some pricing
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 The cable pull is different, so you need to match shifter/derailleur.

There is also a new chain specific to it, but certain HG+ chains may work.
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 Chain pitch is the distance between rollers in the chain and distance from tooth to tooth on the sprockets. The pitch is noted as different than HG so that means current chains will not be compatible.
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 @Jamminator that makes sense thanks.

@handynzl they said gear pitch not chain pitch. It states near the bottom that existing HG chains are compatible
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 Gear pitch is the length between one tooth and the next measured around the circle of a cog. Which, like another poster said, matches the length between rollers' centers on the chain. When I read the article, I thought maybe the author used the wrong word and was thinking of inter-cog-spacing, like we're used to when discussing drivetrains of different 'speeds'. I think all bicycles use the same pitch and if Linkglide didn't use it there would be no way any other chain would fit.
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 @Snfoilhat: that must be what they meant, because there's no other way it would have its own gear pitch and still be compatible with existing 11s chains. I was confused too - would love some confirmation from the mods here
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 @Jshemuel: Shimano's YouTube has a pretty good animation showing side-by-side the ramping, tooth profiles, gates, and pitch of old HG and new LG cassettes. It's worth checking out to see just how much beefier the new cassette is.
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 @Jamminator: The cable pull from 10s, 11s, and 12s are all different, even on Sram.
The real question: Old 11 speed are the same pull ratio as this new stuff? This is my question!
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 @Notmeatall: no. will not work with old 11s cable pull
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 I was totally confused by this – I mean, is the world complaining that 12-speed cassettes wear out too quickly? Then someone mentioned e-bikes and it totally makes sense. The extra weight won't matter, but the stronger chain and cassette teeth will.
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 If only engineers designed bikes around 27t front chainrings, 10/11-40t, or 10/11-42t 9 speed rear cassettes paired with clutched derailleurs would be ample, Linkglide or not.
We've more than lost the weight savings that 1X promised.
Nobody I ride with is concerned about being able to pedal over speeds of over 25km/h in all mountain, or enduro.
E-bikes are limited to 32jm/h anyway.
Put another way, I'd rather coast down than walk up.
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 Amazing the arguments you'll hear for having it the other way around though. Makes me wonder if they understand the shape of a mountain /\ and what that implies for your pedalling.
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 Really? No need to pedal over 25 km/h? That’s what…15mph. Spinning out at 15 mph sound horrible. I ride with zero people who would tolerate that sort of limitation.
  • 5 1
 i ride 28t . love it, don´t need anything else for enduro, xc, or dh.
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 @JohnnyVV: where do you bike tho? In BC, it's granny gear to the top and then midrange for the way down, so no need to pedal faster than 25kmh
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 @JohnnyVV: clearly we haven't ridden together. Smile

I actually moved my 3rd-smallest cog inside the granny gear to improve the climbing chainline because I use the small gears so rarely. Obviously terrain varies, and I'm guessing your trails are wider open than mine.

On the once-or-twice-a-year Whistler trip I will spin out my 32:11 a couple times, but I'd still be happy to go to a 30 or even 28t chainring with a more compact cassette to save weight. Make it steel, cancel out those weight savings for durability, and I'd be even happier.
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 @AndrewHornor: "I actually moved my 3rd-smallest cog inside the granny gear to improve the climbing chainline"

This is an awesome idea. Never looked at chainline from the perspective of anything other than chainring offsets and crank spacers.
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 @JohnnyVV: Really.
If I'm going over 25 or 30km/h, I'll just coast, and that's usually on the road home. I'd hazard that most people riding the Shore or Squamish are about the same. I cannot think of any trail I'd want to continue to accelerate past 25km/h.
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 @50percentsure: Just check if your derailleur with go into that position and know that shift quality suffers slightly since you have to let off the b-tension.

I was inspired by Andrew Major's series "Does The Future Have Fewer Gears" on NSMB. Good nerdy reading if you haven't seen that.
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 ooh, the famous 27t narrow wide front chainring!!
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 I run a 34T-10x50 and often spin out. However I do pedal to the trails as much as I can and spinning out will happen on the road, but ain’t no body got time to be going 15 mph to the trail.
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 @sunringlerider: I'll have to use a GPS speedometer next time I ride. If you can ride "In and Out Burger" "Bony Elbows", "Hueso" or 'Treasure Trail" in Squamish, or "Dale's Trail" or "Pipeline" trails while pedaling when going faster than 25km/h, you're a much better and faster rider than I am.
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 @Notmeatall: New from Escher Industries!
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 @woofer2609: Because the only riding that exists is the kind of riding you have (on a particular type of trail) in Squampton. [eyeroll]
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 @MtbSince84: No, not at all, which is why I own an XC bike for faster, less technical trails. It has a 32 or 34t big ring.
Why would someone ride an all-mountain bike (which I would consider 140-160mm travel on both ends) on trails that are flat-ish?
I'm an advocate of "Horses for courses", in which you could have an XC bike designed around a 34t ring, trail bikes around a 30/32t, and all mountain bikes around a 27 or 28t front chainring.
I'm thinking of the cassettes I have worn out over the years, none of which became useless because of the 11t wearing out. It was always the 34 or 36t ring wearing out and skipping, meaning that I'm using the 34t more than 3X the amount as I am the 11t.
Gear a bike for the 90% of the riding it will see, not the 10%.
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 @woofer2609: And yet your prior posts were arrogantly dismissive of ever needing to pedal at above 25 km/h. So much for horses for courses.
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 We've got steep mountains that we pedal up and then steep technical descents that we don't pedal down in my area too.

I kinda thought that's what trail/all-mountain/enduro type of biking generally was?

I can't really picture a ride that prioritizes hammering tall gearing down a hill smooth enough to pedal?
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 @MtbSince84: Read the first post.
"Nobody I ride with is concerned about being able to pedal over speeds of over 25km/h in all mountain, or enduro."
I'm generally dismissive of wanting to pedal above 25km/h on an all mountain or enduro bike. I place much more emphasis on an efficient ride up vs walking or always being in the bail out gear.
I fully understand wanting to hammer on an XC bike, especially when racing.
Running a 10-51t cassette on an all mountain bike where the 10t gets used almost never, but the 51t wears out is a waste of money and resources, as well as adding weight that could be alleviated with better design based on the presumed/intended purpose of the bike.
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 A big gear lets you quickly acquire speed with a minimum of pedal strokes amidst rocky terrain or ahead of a drop or jump that demands a boost. It lets you sustain momentum during sections where a nominal descent pitches briefly back up. It lets you sprint out of corners. It lets you recover from a mildly cased jump and send the next one. I could go on. I don’t doubt your descriptions of how you personally ride your local trails, and you should certainly set your bike up in a way that works for you. All the same, 5 minutes of watching even low level enduro or downhill racing will show plenty of folks have found utility in pedaling over 15 mph on things other than XC bikes and on trails that are extremely technical.
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 @woofer2609: I read your first post. But there's nothing about this newly-announced drivetrain that is specific to all-mountain/enduro – it's clearly aimed at ebikes, longevity, and general styles of riding. So why keep hammering at your "I don't need to pedal fast in enduro" point? There are clear cases for needing to pedal at speeds above 25 km/h (as sunringlerider pointed out, and I'll second), so your narrow enduro focus just doesn't make sense here.

I'm with you that 1x drivetrains can be too heavy, and this new line takes it to a new level. But I also recognize that it's not aimed at me (I don't have an ebike; and I want wide range *and* reasonably light weight, and I'm willing to pay for more frequent replacement of SRAM or Hyperglide components). So I can give it a pass and not insist that my way is the only way.
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 This is perfect, actually thinking about the average rider
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 The latest Shimano derailleurs were made of cheese. I broke mine, and I saw countless of people reporting a break of the aluminium part, even a guy from a bike shop complaining how many of its customers broke it.
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 The cages on the last few generations of shimano derailieurs were way too flimsy. I recently straightend my brothers bent xt derailieur cage and could bend it with 3 fingers from one hand. This left me quite disappointed.
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 *The back half of the cage, not the entire assembly bolted together
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 @endoplasmicreticulum: glad to know it wasn't just me experiencing that haha
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 Kudos Shimano from a green perspective for making a durable option! Though do wish Shimano would've kicked the person out of the room who made the gear jumps tight and the range small, give us the biggest jumps you can manage in those small cogs especially on the 10 speed cassette. And Shimano will sell like 2 units of the replacement 11,13,15 tooth cogs. My smallest cogs still look new on every MTB bike I've owned, while the largest cog looks like a grizzled veteran that fought a war by itself.
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 Or design bikes around a smaller front chainring for those of us riding mountain bikes on, err, mountains. You'd get full use of all the cogs.
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 @woofer2609: What a progressive sensible idea.

You'd make the rapid rise/dual control/shift display window/front derailleur proponent faction at Shimano very uncomfortable.
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 Then run a smaller chainring...
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 Ebikes fuck up the small cogs because their riders use the motor to shift. And this is an Ebike groupset
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 @Zimbaboi: Bike suspension is designed round a 30/32t chainring for some reason. This shouldn't be the case for all-mountain bikes designed to up steep inclines with. a mostly gravity descent, IMO.
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 @woofer2609: 32 is way to small
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 @ols532704: ...if you live where there aren't mountains, I suppose so.
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 @woofer2609: No Im just strong.
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 @ols532704: ...and fast.
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 @woofer2609: He lives in wisconsin, not very well known for their mountains...
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 I think you could downsize your chainring then. It could be more usefull and add a little bit of antisquat.
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 @T4THH: Does not matter where I live I go mountain biking all over the U.S. and have never had any problems with not having a low enough gears.
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 @ols532704: sorry, can't hear you from down there Wink
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 @T4THH: wow your so funny
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 @Notmeatall: downsizing chainring reduces antisquat
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 *false. I re-read up on this and realized I had my logic backward.
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 W... w... wait? You mean now we have to put our money where our mouths are...

We never thought we'd get what we want!!! That's not fair!
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 This could be a stellar part for bikepacking builds or long distance gravel riders... considering it for my Surly as a few extra grams vs. durability and reliability in isolated places... option b sounds okay. Likely not your typical pick for a standard enduro/trail bike for many riders but yay for choices...not that those choices will be available over the next year sadly.
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 Exactly. If it means my cassette and chain don’t need replaced mid-trip, I’m all for a bit of extra weight
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 Oh good, just what we needed, yet another product from Shimano that is literally incompatible with every other one of their products complete with nonsense part numbering and “glide” in the name. That will be great for the consumer.
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 Interesting. I still run 32 x 11-42 and destroy my granny gear pretty quickly (due to chainline? I dunno). XT cassettes mean I have to toss the whole thing once a year which is both wasteful and expensive. Maybe I'll look into this when it's available in 4 years.
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 I replaced my 11sp XT cassette with a full steel suntour one, feels more durable. The aluminium cog was wearing way faster than the other ones because i used the slowest gear a lot.
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 @SickEdit: Yah something like that seems like it'd be a better solution than this, which weighs 2x the current XT 11spd.
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 This will be spec'ed on e-bikes, and my bet is that was the intended market.
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 I was at an old millhouse the other day; the gears in that thing musta been 150yrs old. I guess if you make anything heavy enough, it will last for a long time.
  • 4 0
 I’m a shit rider but I’ve been at it for 30 years and I just want to tell you 10 speed zee still seems to hit the spot I wouldn’t f*ck about with all this innovation for the sake of it malarkey
  • 3 0
 FFS, I hope Shimano don't go the way of SRAM where NOTHING is cross-compatible. 7-9 speed drivetrains were all backward and forward compatible for the most part. 10-spd and up before was limited and had some compatibility for 11 and 12 speeds. Why mess with a good thing Shimano! Don't f*ck-up like SRAM and Campy did!
  • 2 0
 If you actually want to improve your product then you can’t always work to the same standards.
  • 1 0
 This!
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: If that was the case, Coke wouldn't have been Coke Classic if Coca-cola didn't start screwing around with their original formula for success. When you have something good, leave it an effin alone! At that point, you know the product is the best and you don't need any more changes.
  • 3 0
 Microshift had this figured out already. I use the advent on my trail bikes specifically because I was shearing the spiders in shimano and sram cassettes and I want tough stuff I can afford to replace when I inevitably stuff it into something dumb
  • 7 1
 Shimano's answer to SRAM's horribly received SX and NX?
  • 3 0
 Thats what it looks like. I think the biggest issue with sx and nx is there is no reason for sram to make both of them. Sram nailed it with a sub $400 12 speed drivetrain that's compatible with whatever current wheels people had. Then they decided to compete with themselves.
  • 2 2
 @grldm3: They should keep the NX cassette with the SX derailieur and shifter. The NX cassette is great, since its half the price of a GX, a little more durable and has almost the same range. Function wise the rest of NX is just GX with a few non critical parts swapped out for cheaper alternatives.
  • 3 0
 @grldm3: SX was made to offer more competitive pricing for OEM I think.
  • 3 0
 They really dropped the ball by not making the 11 speed xt compatible with the older style 11 speed cassettes. I’d swap my GX eagle in a heartbeat for 11 speed xt with wider and better spaced gearing range
  • 2 0
 So why not use a Deore 12S cassette that is lighter and all steel?

If the 12S chains are more durable than the old 11S, then why use the old 11S?

The cubes are only 135mm, but at least they removed that rachet system that only sticks. Then another place that could be used the normal Deore 12S cube.

The chain has an 11S profile, but did not specify a crank. So which one should I use?
  • 1 0
 Ebikes have cranks preinstalled. Thats why it doesn't name a crankset
  • 3 0
 My AdventX 11-48 10 speed cassette weighs less and costs less... Durability is nice, but daym that is a heavy cassette Shimano!

www.microshift.com/models/cs-g104-11-48t
  • 2 0
 I like this for E-Bikes but for real bikes... damn that XT cassette is freaking 780g lol. My X01 cassette is 354 grams and doing fine. What I really want is the fancy new Shimano XT Hyperglide+ with a 10-50 Cassette that is decently light and shifts ULTRA smooth (under load included). It seems like I can only get part of that...like I can only get the HyperGlide+ 11sp in a lower range etc. I basically just want the fancy 12sp stuff, but in an 11sp package because 12 gears is too much but I want the 10-50 range without the old HG hub standard.
  • 2 0
 My XO1 11 speed cassette has lasted through 4-5 chains at this point. I'm on the 3rd big cog, but the rest keep cranking. Abandoning 1/2" pitch isn't the way. SRAM 12 speed XO1 and XX1 chains are lasting an incredible amount of time.
  • 3 0
 Shhhh, don't tell the Shimbois. Let them enjoy the their new favorite lead cassette.
  • 2 0
 Ok, I'm confused why the cable pull has to be different on the derailleur and shifter if the cogs presumably have the same spacing as other shimano 10 and 11speed cassettes (which it should be if it uses the same freehub) Why change pull ratios?
  • 7 1
 Available 2025...maybe
  • 7 2
 No listed weights? Looks like a great idea for sustainability though.
  • 1 0
 Weights are up now... or maybe I just suck at reading. I am fine sacrificing weight for durability but that is a lot of sacrifice.
  • 5 0
 Shimano have dropped an ebike drivetrain then.
  • 4 0
 Hey Shimano, please give us more weight to $ ratio!

780g for the cassette is absolute fail IMO.
  • 3 0
 Let’s not kid ourselves. This is an e-bike driven drivetrain option not their response to listening to pedal bike customers needs.
  • 3 0
 HG driver, same gear range, more tolerance, and probably reasonably priced?

Looks like my stock NX Eagle setup has found its replacement.
  • 4 1
 We increased durability by going backwards. This isn't special, all cassettes lasted WAY longer before we decided to put aluminum dinner plates on the back.
  • 2 1
 This is literally my dream drivetrain. If this is reasonably priced, after I finish off my current GX cassette, this is going on the bike. Love the emphasis on durability over weight, and the ability to replace the 11-15 tooth cogs where I always end up getting those shark-fins!
  • 2 0
 Lol.
  • 3 0
 Nothing is available from their existing stuff... so why make new stuff? Please reduce everything to the essential, so parts are available all the time!
  • 1 0
 Can’t help but think how much longer the cassette would last if you could actually take the bloody thing apart completely to clean it. The bigger the lowest gears get the harder they become to clean. In the good old days every gear came apart not just the smallest 3 gears.
  • 1 0
 the gears could even be easyer to swap just the bad cog. But then again, freehubs would be coming out of the butcher house.
  • 1 0
 Would be cooler if Shimano made their drivetrains available aftermarket here in Canada. The supply we've seen of the current gen stuff has been near zero for the last few years. Shimano, stop selling massive numbers of parts OEM and keeping parts from customers who need replacements.
  • 1 0
 I'm not sure if what is written is true, but if these are really a different chain pitch, they will not work with anything else. Cassette, chain rings and even derailleur pulleys will be unique to this, and nothing on the shelves right now will work with it. That will be a large headache. And it will grow worse from there.
  • 1 0
 @leverfingers
Yes, a unique chain pitch would surely be a nightmare! But, I'm wondering if "different chain pitch" is actually an error in terms and is referring instead to cog spacing? Because there is also this at the bottom of the article
"Existing 11-speed Shimano chains are compatible with Linkglide drivetrains".
  • 1 0
 Great more confusion when trying to get the right Shimano parts. A third "standard", not counting all the shifter mounts. Will this new band clamp be compatible with the double-contact 8100 brake levers? Oh, what, only the 8000 work... Also notice, no clutch lockout on the derailleur, but maybe on shop techs are supposed to do the work. (keep a big zippy handy so you can tie the derailleur cage to your chainstay when you need to drop a wheel). SRAM is starting to look better.

Hey Toby, when will Box be making MTB brakes to complement your fantastic Box 1 components?
  • 1 0
 I've been looking for a new 11sp drivetrain to put on an old dually for my son and this just sealed the deal. Bye bye Shimano, hello SRAM. Been a primarily Shimano user for decades, but way to go Shimano, fragment the compatibility of your groupsets even further, introducing extra SKUs with confusingly similar names that don't work together. Good luck maintaining one of these cheaply in a few years when you crash and break your derailleur.
  • 3 1
 Ridiculous. So now my XX1 11 speed is suddenly the best group ever was? 350 gram cassette. Crisp shifting performance. Long life. And much lighter than apparently warm welcomed new shimano xt ...
  • 1 0
 The X01 and XX1 11 speed cassettes are 270g
  • 1 0
 At last! Using my Levo for commuting as well as MTBing I notice the gears performing less well from about 600 miles and by 900 miles the cassette is completely wrecked. Changing chains earlier doesn’t help because the torque of me plus the motor wears the teeth of the sprockets before the chain has “stretched”.
  • 1 0
 The innovation I really wanted was for the current XT/XTR shifters to have their faulty, breaking springs addressed. I warrantied my XT shifter last November and I'm STILL waiting. Some people have gone through 5 sets of XTR shifters and still not a single word or admission of the problem from Shimano on the issue other than pissed off customers in MTBR forums. Personally, I'm not terribly interested in Shimano at the moment.
  • 1 0
 "...not cross compatible or retrofittable with current drivetrains..."
Why not? This set interest me, except for the 1 lb penalty for the cassette. Why not make a non-e-bike rated cassette that has a more reasonable weight? Hell, why not make a boost/mtn bike compatible internal-geared hub? Its not like the e-bike crowd is going to service their bike at all. Weight penalty is minimal given they just made a cassette that weighs as much as a baby rhino, and honestly, do e-bike riders really need 455% percent range? The current 11-speed alfine provides 409%.
  • 1 0
 Wow, so they still haven't fixed their wonky-ass RD cable stop. The cable still rubs on the stop before reaching the anchor bolt. I'm really a Shimano fanboy but why in Kermit-the-frog have they not fixed that yet?

I mean, just take a look:
media.flowmountainbike.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/07100937/Shimano-SLX-M7100-vs-SRAM-GX-Eagle-06037-1536x1024.jpg
media.flowmountainbike.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/07100929/Shimano-SLX-M7100-vs-SRAM-GX-Eagle-06046-1536x1024.jpg
  • 1 0
 Am I missing something here? It sounds like these cassettes will work with Shimano's current 10 and 11 speed shifters and derailleurs, and with existing 11 speed chains, but there's no mention of a Linkglide chain at all, so I'm guessing there isn't one. If all of that is true, then why would I buy the Linkglide shifter or derailleur if I already had an 11 speed XT shifter and derailleur? What does the Linkglide derailleur and shifter bring to the party except incompatibility with earlier models? As far as I can see, the only thing worth buying here is the cassette, and even then it's only worth it if you feel like your current cassettes aren't lasting long enough or shifting smoothly and you don't mind a really heavy replacement. This just looks like a really durable E-bike cassette and some shifters and derailleurs that won't play nice with older models. Can someone tell me why I'd want to or have to ditch a perfectly good XT derailleur and shifter to use the Linkglide cassette? Why is this an (almost) complete drivetrain instead of just a cassette? It seems like the cassette is the only thing worth buying.
  • 1 0
 These cassettes seem very heavy. But shimano cassettes are always heavy. Best toughest 1x setup I’ve found is the 10 speed Saint derailleur coupled with One-up’s Radr cage ( discontinued of course) and a 10 speed Garabunk cassette. 11-42 using Hope jockey wheels. Absolutely bomb proof. I arrived at this option after a pile a literal pile of broken derailleurs. Saint stuff holds up.
  • 3 0
 Perfect wide ratio e- bike transmission. Personally I love the 11 sp spacing.
  • 3 0
 The weight is twice as much as a ZTTO cassette dont't get the point if the smallest cog is still 11t
  • 1 0
 how much does it weigh
  • 1 0
 @Donley2004: 780g for XT.
  • 4 0
 What the actual f*** were they thinking with the cassette weights here.
  • 2 0
 great, now a tighter range on the largest cogs and let the smaller ones have larger ratio jumps... I spend most of my pedalling time in the largest 3 cogs
  • 3 0
 Tell me you're making eMTB parts with out TELLING me you're making eMTB parts. ;D
  • 2 0
 I wonder how the new shifter and derailleur plays with existing wide-range 11-spd cassettes, such as Garbaruk and e13 stuff. That could be a nice alternative.
  • 3 0
 What's 'gear pitch'? Can you use these casettes and chains with existing 10 and 11s mechs?
  • 1 0
 Pitch is the distance between the teeth. At least that’s what Google says. They must mean something else.
  • 1 0
 @Someoldfart: Pitch is the ramping angle that the derailleur's upper pulley must travel along the cassette's teeth ridges. The pitch on the derailleur is also controlled by how much pull is done by the cable versus the travel of the pulley. So, if you draw the line across the teeth on the cassette's profile, that's the pitch. What you're describing is the space between the cassette teeth, which is called the indexing travel. So, the pitch contains both horizontal distance between each gear's index (constant throughout each gear disk and optimized for the chain width) and the height that the derailleur pulley must travel. The height might be a straight diagonal line (constant ratio) or parabolic (or even hyperbolic). That is why when Shimano says it will not be compatible with existing 10 or eleven speed drivetrains, the indexing pull of the shifter with the derailleur cable pull ratios are likely different. You can definitely make tweaks and hacks to make it work.
  • 2 0
 780 GR? unless you put that on e-bike no reason to justify the weight / longlivety ration


their XT option 11-46 weights up to 400 gr and considered heavy and durable
  • 1 1
 This drivetrain is clearly geared (no pun intended) towards entry level bike builds. Given that shaving weight on bicycle components is directly correlated with an exponential increase in cost. If this goes the way I think it will, hopefully this allows more people to afford name brand bikes from a LBS instead of throwing hundreds away on those supermarket steel framed danger-cycles that fall apart on their first off road adventure. This looks to me more of a segue for big manufacturers to tap into that sub $1,000 market. After all, components are the main driving factor in bike cost. Frames are being made so cheaply now over seas (carbon included).
  • 1 0
 So, everyone's complaining about the weight. However, that mass is centrally-located rather than being at the ends. So, someone calculate the impact of the extra 300g being near the center of rotation.
  • 6 3
 More crap that’s not cross compatible! What’s not to love?
  • 1 0
 Ohhh this is very tempting, my last 11s cassette lost a tooth skips under power in a few years with only a few hundred miles of riding..
  • 2 0
 I think I want that cassette on a titanium hardtail. That would sit well with me.
  • 3 0
 So... an Ebike drive train.......?
  • 3 0
 Lasts 3x as long. Weighs 2x as much. Sunrace every year thanks
  • 2 0
 For a second there I thought they said the link spacing was different. Imagine that!!
  • 3 0
 At 780grams I want it to last at least ten years.
  • 2 0
 Isn't it weird that it's always like 300% more durable, 200% more efficient? Like in maths class when you guess the answer
  • 3 0
 Looks like my next beater hardtail has a drivetrain picked out already.
  • 2 0
 it works with the chain but not the rear mech or shifter?
another wyf moment in cycling
  • 2 0
 Yeah yeah complain about weight and still strap a water bottle and tool kit to your bike...
  • 3 0
 Don’t worry about those 12 speed derailleurs that last 3 months.
  • 2 0
 Never has the old saying "If Shimano made a toaster, it would only toast their bread" been more true.
  • 1 0
 I cannot understand the weight on the cassete.
Do you have more info? How thick are those cogs?
If memory doesn't fail, XT 11/46 11Speed cassete was around 450ish
  • 1 0
 What’s this new gear pitch? This means this new stuff won’t be compatible with any old drivetrain standards. Other than the old cassette spline.
  • 1 2
 Ugh. Drag this turd up the mountain? Im even lookin to smooth it out for my motor. Iron block 350 is a tank, but we lookin at turbo on a 4 cylinder does twice the work on half the weight, and that is behind electric moto. and here we are with bike parts. I luve a steel crank ring on direct mount, but that also gets bashed into logs n rocks. I'll just stick with my nice lightweight junk for a while. Add a pound to the rearwheel?!!! Fuggin nutts.
  • 2 0
 This looks like Shimano trying to match SRAM cassettes longevity. I'm very impressed with how my GX has lasted.
  • 1 0
 @Zimbaboi: 250W is not high power, but they also produce 85Nm of torque.. which, when added with rider's torque, will be more than my corolla engine can output.
  • 2 0
 Only this morning I was looking at those 33lb trail bikes and thinking "if only they were a bit heavier"
  • 2 0
 Gee that lump of steel on the back is going to make suspension feel awesome.
  • 1 0
 I run XTR 11-speed titanium (mostly) cassette, how would that compare in terms of wear rate compared to these steel ones? Just wondering
  • 2 0
 As a heavy rider with a bikepacking bike with a HG hub, this is exactly what I am looking for.
  • 2 0
 Every bike shop employee looking in the trash for those HG Freehub bodies....
  • 1 0
 Shimano should try suppling the deore stuff they released last year instead of releasing new things! Can’t buy an effin M5100 rear mech or cassette in the UK!
  • 2 0
 I hope one of the groups is called Lancelot Link.
  • 12 11
 And we all had hope for a wireless Di2 system... Looks like round 249 goes to SRAM with their new GX AXS.
  • 8 10
 I was about to ask who in a modern world wants to faceplant backwards with 10 and 11 speed heavy components (I assume heavy solely because no weight is listed), but then read the comments and realized everyone except for me does. I will admit I'm confused.
  • 2 4
 Yet you also willing moved a lot of your drive train weight from low on the frame to on the back wheel.
Why?
  • 2 0
 Do you really use all twelve of your gears?
  • 3 0
 @ols532704: Yes, all the time. I'm a racer running a big gear up front so I can sprint the downhills and that means that I use the bail out gear on 30+% grades (actually common where I live).
  • 1 0
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: The 12 speed cassettes generally end up being lighter than the 10 and 11 speed offerings anyway because each gear is thicker to accommodate a thicker chain (on the 10 and 11s). In general I think brands are more focused on 12 speed because, you know, every benefit over 11 speed, namely small gear changes. This heavier focus means they end up making the lighter 12 speed cassettes. There are obviously exceptions with Shimano's XTR Di2 cassette which I've heard lots of good about. Also, what weight am I removing from low on the frame by running 12 speed? As far as I know you don't run different BB weights for 12 speed vs. 11/10.
  • 1 3
 @TrekXCFactoryRacing: Just a very quick search- XX1 12 spd eagle 352g XTR 10speed with the 36t 271g

So you removed a FD and added it's weight back on the rear wheel.
  • 1 0
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: OOOOOOOOOOOOOh. You're running a front derailleur. I assumed 1x. This makes more sense.
  • 1 2
 @TrekXCFactoryRacing: No I'm not.
Point was everyone went gaga over 1x and a big part of it everyone was drooling about was the weight savings.
But then as time goes on it wasn't enough range so the pie plate on the rear grew to a dinner plate and the weights saving are gone.

You complained about the weight, yet you haven't had an issue with the cassettes getting heavier for 1x.
  • 1 0
 @TrekXCFactoryRacing: I also run a large gear up front 36t ( biggest that will fit on my frame) and I still rarely use the biggest gear 45t on my 12 speed and I ride a lot of very steep terrain.
  • 1 0
 @ols532704: Biggest that'll fit on mine too. I guess your just stronger than me. I have a climb that I do once to twice a week that's 38% and pretty loose so that's the one I was referring to.
  • 1 0
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: Still way lighter than a 2x. Benefit is there.
  • 1 0
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: OK I kinda regretted responding with that. It is a good deal lighter, but, as you know if you've ridden 2x or even 3x, that the reason we actually ditched multi-ring drivetrains because of the complexity of them, rather than weight. Every time I pull my crappy old hardtail off the wall I drop a chain at least once, sometimes twice, and definitely twice if I'm riding something gnarly. If the reason was weight, then roadies would've followed in our footsteps (yes I'm aware that Specialized just specced a road bike with a 1x anyway).
  • 4 2
 What the f*ck Shimano? Are you ok? This is f*cking amazing!
  • 1 0
 Pricing? Are more cogs pinned together so it will gouge aluminum HG freehubs less?
  • 4 3
 Seriously Shimano, why are you wasting resourcing on this and not introducing wireless shifting?
  • 2 0
 Will spend money on, stoked
  • 2 0
 Poor DCA didn't get his way, what a bummer. Maybe next time buddy!
  • 1 0
 are people really riding around with 780 gram cassettes? that is horribly heavy.
  • 6 1
 Lots of people don't do their own pedaling anymore
  • 2 0
 Makes sense to have a dedicated ebike drive chain I guess.
  • 2 0
 780g of unsprung mass. No thanks. I'll stick to my XG-1150.
  • 3 1
 Where's the effin gearbox I've been waiting for Shimano?
  • 2 0
 Stronger longer lasting chains and cassettes for my ebike? yes please.
  • 1 0
 Is Mike getting a large face tattoo or something? Is that why we haven't heard from him lately?
  • 2 0
 SRAM: Lets introduce Cheaper E-Shifting
Shimano: Hold my beer
  • 2 0
 Hitting retailers near you fall 2024
  • 1 0
 For the love of all things holy make this in XT 11 speed and it will be the only thing I ride for the rest of my life.
  • 1 0
 It is in 11spd XT and though it may not last the rest of your life, you'll probably have to change your cassette less often
  • 1 0
 Looks ok but I'm pretty sure I get the same effect from using 1199 cassettes with XTR9000 everything else.
  • 1 0
 just saying, shimano, make a non e-bike cassette that looks like this, thats a wicked sick bike part
  • 1 0
 The wear is on the teeth, how does alot of meat around the spider aid durability..?
  • 1 0
 Cool. Now someone make a compatible 10-42ish cassette that's light and $150 retail.
  • 1 0
 Shimano lasts forever as you can't get a chain to wear any of your gears down!
  • 1 0
 Big news release blurb......but strangely, no mention of MSRP ?? WTH??

Is it going to be like a MS EXCEL formula? $L$G
  • 3 1
 Is this really needed?
  • 5 2
 will be extremely useful on e bikes, especially for the fact that independent cogs are replicable.
  • 5 0
 @Donley2004: Just the bottom ones.
  • 3 1
 lol at the weight
  • 3 6
 Another implicit admission that e-bikes do actually have a much bigger impact on the trails. The additional power going through these drivetrains that everyone is exploding has to go somewhere, like into the trails. If you need special gear to handle the extra power, then it's obvious that the extra power is not insignificant, and must have an impact outside the bike itself.

Not saying e-bikes should die, but the impact needs to stop getting downplayed. No more "it's you but just a little faster" bullshit spewed out alongside cheers for "e-bike specific" extra heavy-duty parts.
  • 6 2
 It’s time to admit that ebikes are cancer and need to be stopped. All the trails are ruined because of e bikers. It allows riders to access trails they don’t have the skills for and all the trails are trashed from ebikers failing to make it around turns on their 70lb ebikes they bought three weeks ago and one run is never enough with these pigs they will attempt to ruin your trails over and over again especially if there’s fireroad access.
  • 1 4
 Extra thick on the tin foil. Obviously we're only talking about climb trails since the power isn't used descending. So an ebike using its power to calmly get up a steep pitch is somehow worse than me standing up mashing on the pedals with the wheel occasionally spinning up?
  • 1 0
 @friendlyfoe: since so many people are complaining about destroying drivetrains on ebikes, enough that everyone is coming out with extra heavy duty shit to handle it, then yes, it is way worse than you occasionally mashing pedals. If it wasn't, then why the f*ck does this new product exist?
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: Because every ride on an ebike is 3x longer than what it would be on a regular bike. Also if more power allows you to stay seated and spin up less, then wear on the drivetrain in no way equates to wear on the trail. Ebikes are however putting in way more miles and laps than a regular bike! That's where you'll see increased trail wear.
  • 1 1
 @thenotoriousmic: this product is proof people are destroying existing components due to the extra power. That extra power is also going into the trails. It's gotta be doing something, even if we don't see it immediately.
  • 2 1
 @justinfoil: 100% they’re tearing up all the trails on what are essentially well marketed motor bikes. Doing multiple runs down trails normally reserved to the few people that were fit enough to reach them add the fact that most ebikers tend to ether just starting out or not very skilled and having to manage a 60lbs bike with 2.8 tyres and 180mm of travel and blowing out all the good trails in the process. Imagine what happens to a trail after its sessioned by a group of novice ebikers on a wet day doing run after run?
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: they’re turning all the trails into 4x4 tracks.
  • 1 0
 What is the cassette range of the 10 and 11 speeds?
  • 3 0
 Doh, caught it in the caption for the pic. Cool!
  • 2 0
 When??
  • 1 0
 do it for xtr 11-40 and ill take 3 for each bike
  • 1 0
 Great graphics if teamed with a hideous '05 roady paintjob
  • 2 1
 Can I convert my microspline hubs to HG drivers again?
  • 1 0
 COOL nexus all over again
  • 1 0
 a 50T cassette that isn't made of moon cheese. I'm sold.
  • 1 0
 HOW MANY TEETH ON EACH CASETTE?!?!
  • 2 1
 was hoping for a 1x14 this year
  • 1 0
 Oh boy, another proprietary standard...
  • 1 0
 will be great for the bigger fellas
  • 1 0
 Would be great to see this specced on ebikes for 2022!
  • 1 0
 Availability 2024, because all shimano parts are unavailable
  • 5 5
 Nobody asked for this. Give us wireless shifting already!
  • 1 0
 It has specifically been asked for on here time and time again.
  • 5 5
 Can't mix and match. f.ck off!!!!
  • 1 0
 I’d guess the shifter can only upshift one at a time, and downshift one or maybe two at a time to prevent cack-handed multi shifts under big load on an E-Bike. If that’s the case, it makes total sense to make it a unique system without cross compatibility so that you can’t swap the shifter to a standard Shimano with multiple shift ability. No point in building in protection for the drivetrain and user if it’s easily circumvented.
It’s a pretty specific system that you either want or not - don’t really see the point of mixing it with other systems.
  • 2 2
 Oh great, a heavier cassette! Just what we needed!
  • 6 5
 F**k Sram
  • 3 3
 great more freehubs
  • 2 0
 what do you mean
  • 1 0
 You’ve never heard of or owned an HG freehub?
  • 1 1
 Nice trolling, Shimano.
  • 4 5
 Who asked for this?
  • 2 0
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