Sixpack Announces New Internal Cable Routing System

Jun 15, 2023
by SIXPACK Racing  
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The new Millenium ICR Stem in Champagne Silver & Black is now available on the after market.

PRESS RELEASE: Sixpack Racing

We won't try to talk you into loving headset cable routing. Mainly because we know it won't work, but also because we don’t want to put in the effort. Some riders hate it, some like it, and some couldn’t care less. If you have a bike with headset cable routing, this article might be of interest to you…

If you have already made up your mind that you don’t like internal routing, skip the article. You can jump straight to the comment section and type a strongly worded comment, if it makes you feel any better.

THE BIG 'WHY'

Another company that's going on board with internal cable tourism, ähh routing... WHY? We see a trend of bike manufacturers switching to this new cable routing method. For us as a component brand, it’s important to stay within the trends and standards of modern bikes.


So we checked what's available on the HS cable routing side of components. The quick answer is: not much! The few options of HS cable routing components available on the aftermarket are either complete, proprietary fully integrated systems or systems with known issues on the market.

Internal cable routing is a divisive subject, and we understand the concerns of riders. But if you decide to go for HS cable routing, you might as well do it right. So that's what we did.
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Split spacers enable easy height adjustment of the cockpit after the ICR system is mounted

DOING IT RIGHT

The Sixpack Internal Cable Routing system is the perfect solution if you are aiming for a clean cockpit, a quiet bike and want to minimize the typical risks involved with HS cable routing. It can be mounted on any bike with Acros ZS56 ICR Headsets or Acros Angle-Headsets with an additional aftermarket compression ring (11.52.106R2-AM).


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Sealed-off cable ports protect the headset from water and dust.
This ICR system differs from currently available headset cable routing solutions in a few points. The major difference is in where the cables enter the headset. Cables are routed underneath (not through!) the stem. This area is sealed off with rubber cable ports to protect the headset from dust and, most importantly, water. With regular HS routing top covers, water can enter the headset, which is a major known problem of the concept.

Cables are routed close to the cockpit, and can be even shorter than with regular HS cable routing solutions, which further reduces the danger of them tearing off and creates little to no rattling noises.


JUST A STEM (+ some stuff)

The Millenium ICR Stem is a classic stem, like any other combined with HS cable routing, nothing proprietary or fully integrated here. It is available in 35 mm and 50 mm lengths, both having a 35 mm clamp diameter. It comes in 2 colors: Black and Champagne Silver (Raw Eloxal) and has a clamp width of 55 mm.

We designed split-spacers for easy height adjustment of your cockpit, even after the ICR system is mounted. Just loosen the stem, pull it up, and add or remove the split spacers easily. No need to worry about that.
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Changing or adjusting your handlebar is as easy as ever, too. Want to ride your favorite handlebar? No problem. Want to rotate your bar a little? Easy. You like the looks of our ICR Stem and want to run it on your regular bike? No problem either. The stem can also be combined with regular headsets with the included adapter.



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The Sixpack ICR System consists of:

• 1x CNC-milled stem
• 1x top cover
• 1x horizontal rubber cable router seal with 4 cable ports
• 2x split spacers for easy height adjustment of the stem (each 5 mm height)
• 1x head tube cover with seal, compatible with Acros ZS56 ICR Headsets or Acros Angle-Headsets with additional aftermarket compression ring (11.52.106R2-AM)
• 1x stem adapter for use with regular headsets



ENGINEERED & MADE IN GERMANY

The Millenium iCR stem is CNC-milled from AL 7075 in Germany. All other parts of the cable routing system are made of glass-fiber reinforced PA (Polyamide) in cooperation with Acros. We know what you are thinking: "Plastic? This will break for sure!". But that's a common misconception. Polyamide is an extremely functional material with many benefits. It is lightweight, and - when reinforced with glass fiber - extremely robust and durable. Of course, the entire system was tested to the bone and it easily passed all industry-required tests. The Sixpack ICR system is approved for ASTM category 5, the highest category of riding.

Learn more about the new ICR stem.


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Sixpack Millenium ICR Stem on the new Propain Tyee.


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171 Comments
  • 248 10
 I can't really blame sixpack for making this, there is a gap in the market and they want to fill it. However, we should just boycott all bikes with internal cable routing so companies understand just how much we dislike this design
  • 10 37
flag Nopantsdougie (Jun 15, 2023 at 3:12) (Below Threshold)
 Not really though, The TEMPO I bought with the acros headset uses regular stem spacers and I can change height without having to worry about cables or proprietary spacers
  • 42 3
 @Nopantsdougie: true, but when you have to swap your headset bearings, you'll realize the true impracticallity of this design
  • 23 2
 What really needs to happen is we commit to one last headset standard to rule them all, just a huge oversize diameter will do, big enough to route cables outside of the bearings, this also has the benefit of being big enough to make all kinds of reach and angle adjustment headsets fit without having to make the cups external and massively increase stack.
  • 53 1
 @maglor: Canyon had a brilliant cable routing design on the old Torque. Essentially, all the cables were routed underneath a removable panel on the entire downtube which doubled and a shuttle guard and downtube protector.
  • 5 0
 @ChristianToole: My Deviate has a very neat hidden channel under the top tube and its great, however i do get the appeal of tidying up the cockpit, having said that i use spiral cable wrap to group my cables and hold them all together and it does wonders for making the cockpit look 10x tidier.
  • 4 0
 @ChristianToole: I never said I was pro headset routing and I agree it will be a pain, but its not like its multiple times a year. Its my only gripe with this frame.
  • 22 1
 Finally! These exposed cables have haunted me for years. I love the idea of putting these proprietary fiddly pieces of plastic things on my bike.
  • 4 0
 @ChristianToole: what ever happened to that design? I thought it was brilliant and everyone would copy it, but it never caught on.
  • 3 0
 I just don't get how that is even a thing.. who came up with that, and why? Is it easier to make a frame without the holes for the cables?
  • 2 1
 @Nopantsdougie: are you able to run an angleset? That’s my only hold up for headset routing. Maintenance is no issue with a $10 AliExpress clone of the Park Tool fishing kit.
  • 1 0
 @succulentsausage: it would need to be an internal routed angle set I don't recall ever seeing one available
  • 2 0
 @ChristianToole: Thank goodness I can pay someone to do it for me while I’m getting paid to do something someone else doesn’t want to do
  • 7 1
 @ChristianToole: how often do you replace your headset bearings? honest question, because my experience is that I swap brakes more often than headsets. lol
  • 4 0
 @ChristianToole: I've seen this on a GT too. Clean, cleverly, simple, and very user serviceable. Anything that's meant to be ridden and abused off-road the way a mtb is should have everything be easily serviceable. Taking apart other stuff to fix something else is not easy.
  • 4 1
 Can you really call it a gap in the market if the only people that want it are the ones that design the bike?
If I were going to make something to fill a "gap in the market", I'd make a headset kit that converted internal headset routing back to normal routing.
  • 3 0
 @nickfranko: that kit is going to likely involve a drill, bad decisions and voided warranties. lol
  • 3 0
 @Mtbdialed: When you live in scotland like me i've never had headset bearings survive a full winter, not unless you're willing to put up with notchy coroded bearings, they usually still work but i don't want to forgo fresh bearings becuase it's a giant pain in the ass to replace them.

I find water always gets inside frames via cable ports or drainage holes etc so even well sealed headsets just rot from the inside during a cold wet winter, high quality stainless sealed bearings mitigate the issue but even they end up all gritty and rough.
  • 1 0
 @maglor: stainless bearings have a different issue. they are very soft in comparision to carbon steel, and get pitted from impacts. that is likely the roughness you end up feeling there.

and yes, I get super wet environments, as I was raised and rode most of my life in the PNW, where good chunks of it are even wetter than Scotland(ftr, I took a 10 day scottish road trip and MTBd all around. never saw a drop of rain! lol). There is no defense from it, and this wouldn't make an appreciable difference one way or another in your environment, except for the pain of swapping. When you live in the bog, you play by the bog's rules mate! Big Grin
  • 1 0
 It's the Dylan Mulvaney signature series from "Sixpack"
  • 1 0
 @nickfranko: I think there are people that either want it, think they want it at time of purchase, or take it for granted because they want the rest of the bike. Because bikes with cable tourism do get sold. So that creates a market of people who own a bike with cables on holiday and they need a tour guide.
  • 1 0
 @succulentsausage: Apparently acros makes a 1* I didn't read the article haha
  • 1 0
 @Mtbdialed: As you say there is no defense so you have to replace the bearings regularly and therefore headset routing is a bit of a no go for anyone in wet conditions, even with all the tools, knowledge and a workshop i rekon what normally is no more than 10 minutes and 2 allen keys to change headset bearings suddenly is also a brake bleed, dropper and gear cable routing (can be a right pain if not tube in tube) and gear indexing, just a right faff and probably well over an hours work even for an experianced mechanic with all the tools, the average guy might struggle or have to go to a bike shop at a cost considerably more than without headset routing.
  • 1 2
 @maglor: i did not say that, no. I said it must be a consideration. different people have different priorities, abilities and time considerations.

you are also overexaggerating the amount of work. lol. if you are pulling all your cables out of your bike in the instance of headset routing, just to change bearings, I would kindly suggest cracking a beer and thinking about it first. A bit of forethought can save you loads of time and faff.
  • 1 0
 @ChristianToole: Very similar to some of the Ns Bikes like the Define also
  • 106 0
 I'm sure that 90 degree bend in the cables will do them a world of good.
  • 26 1
 Yes! Absolutely the best way to minimize friction, said no one ever.
  • 67 3
 Its like trying to get your penis up your own arse it always comes up short
  • 19 0
 @Compositepro: So even if you succeed, you still lose?
  • 3 23
flag BermJunky (Jun 15, 2023 at 8:12) (Below Threshold)
 @Compositepro: Jesus…sounds like you’ve tried that more than once? I mean, even once is creepy AF.
  • 11 0
 @BermJunky: hey now, don't be yuckin' his yum
  • 2 10
flag BermJunky (Jun 15, 2023 at 11:36) (Below Threshold)
 Hahahaha all you downvoters are awesome.
  • 4 0
 @BermJunky: what you mean you havent
  • 1 0
 @Nygaard: my partner wants to know why im lol
  • 2 2
 @Compositepro: haha. Glad to see someone can take a joke.
  • 1 0
 @evehmeyer: you didnt realise I was a female?
  • 29 1
 I do love the way the term cable tourism has made it's way already into press releases. It's kinda like Orwell said, “It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.” Headset routing as a term is on it's way out, soon the actual routing will follow.
  • 39 0
 This is just a very, very well written press release. They investigate their audience, they understand their audience, they write an article perfectly fit for this audience. I may not buy this product (I already have a stem on my bike) but I appreciate the effort.
  • 6 16
flag blackthorne (Jun 15, 2023 at 4:29) (Below Threshold)
 @vinay: well written? With a smug sentence like this?:
“Mainly because we know it won't work, but also because we don’t want to put in the effort”.
  • 8 2
 @blackthorne: They're not arguing for or against cable tourism, but they also know the PB comment section if full of people that cannot be persuaded. They probably also realize that about 30% of commenters will skip the the press release and go directly to the comments to either lurk or attack Six Pack for releasing an integrated headset product. Its also edgy and people love edgy stuff.
  • 7 1
 @blackthorne: You know the context of that sentence, right? What do you feel was wrong with it then?
  • 5 0
 @BikesBoatsNJeeps: "they also know the PB comment section is full of people that cannot be persuaded.".

Hence the "If you have already made up your mind that you don’t like internal routing, skip the article. You can jump straight to the comment section and type a strongly worded comment, if it makes you feel any better." part of the press release.
  • 1 1
 Is there a history behind the term “cable tourism” that you can enlighten me on? I feel like I’m not in on the joke.
  • 1 0
 @blackthorne: I deff am no king of Grammer, so could you explain the fail there?
  • 2 1
 what is cable tourism?
  • 9 0
 @no-good-ideas: in one article about the new Tyee, @upduro called headset routing "cable tourism" due to auto-correct and that term caught on
www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-propain-tyee-2023.html

It's like mike levy's downcountry. Started as a joke, now a standard term
  • 3 0
 @bashhard: excellent. Love it.
  • 8 1
 @vinay: truly this is a press release masterclass. To anyone who can't find the humour in it, the joke is on you.
  • 1 0
 @everythingsucks: Yes, I read it...
  • 2 2
 Honest question here, where did the term cable tourism come from? It makes no sense to me, but maybe I'm just slow?
  • 2 0
 @everythingsucks: Loved this part of the press release.

The main thing that headset routing has taught me is that by and large, PB commentators are a bunch of whiny snowflakes that should never be allowed to work on a bike.
  • 2 0
 @Caiokv: you’re not slow. It’s a PB term. Doesn’t matter in the real world.
  • 2 0
 @Caiokv: read @bashhard 's comment above
  • 6 0
 look mom I’m on the internet
  • 2 0
 @Caiokv: When you are on vacation and watching tv with the family and keep changing stations with the remote because everything sucks!
  • 23 0
 This one of the most non-beneficial trends in mountain bikes. There isn't a large aerodynamic advantage for a bike in the woods compared to the open road, pain to service cables, headset, etc.. Shifter housing and today's tight 12 speed setups hate kinks. With no bump stops (maybe there is?) has anyone accidently had their bars turn over 180 degrees? I imagine there is some type of damage.
  • 3 20
flag hexhamstu (Jun 15, 2023 at 4:54) (Below Threshold)
 Looks cool though.
  • 10 0
 Does it though?
  • 4 0
 my AXS drivetrains are my only kink.....
  • 2 0
 @Mtbdialed: You can bypass the issue with AXS, but most people run analog stuff. I was a shop rat for 12 years, the first picture I saw of headset routing, my first thought was cable damage.
  • 2 4
 @oldschool43: it's been on roadie stuff for ages now. done correctly, no kinks. done hamfisted by some 22yr old knob in a shop, sure. but that holds true with anything on a bike.

shops should actually welcome this stuff. more complexity=more money.
  • 17 0
 From a visual and aesthetic perspective, until someone doesn't offer a solution for Front Brake Cable integration, the whole thing is pointless. Imagine a fully integrated cable Road bike with the front brake hose out in the air alone.
  • 2 0
 You can run a front brake through your steerer tube with a hollow star nut and bolt. I'm not sure if that's what your are referring to though.
  • 1 1
 That's already a thing.
i.e. www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-tDisaY8NI
@ 1:50
  • 1 0
 @ChristianToole: jibbing. Its a lifestyle, bro.
  • 3 0
 sounds near impossible when suspension forks are in play, routing the front brake cable through the stem and steerer doesn't really make it any cleaner either, no benefits such as barspin freedom when there are 3 other cables on it
  • 5 0
 @ChristianToole: no, I was not thinking about the barspin ready setups, but about the bikes were they hide all the cables except the front brake hose to be more aesthetic and minimalistic. I think there is no cleaner cockpit than having the exact same lenghts of rear der and rear brake cable, melted together with a heat shrinking tube, and partially the same with dropper and front cable. But this is just my opinion.
  • 2 0
 @tajtigabor: agreed! I think this cable tourism crap is BS and just capitalizing on the industry laziness. I’ve come across so many shops, individuals, etc that have no desire or care to pay attention to matching cable lengths when building bikes or replacing old worn and putting fresh in. A little effort goes a long ways. And matching cable lengths and tying together with some heat shrink is the ultimate clean look IMO
  • 26 9
 Literally fuck off
  • 8 0
 "it’s important to stay within the trends and standards of modern bikes. "

Yet through headset routing is neither a trend or standard, but you do you.
  • 7 0
 What I really want is a company to come up with a solution to undo headset routing for those of us that already have it. I’d be very tempted even if it voids my warranty.
  • 5 0
 Despite a thought-out intro or, speaking precisely, a disclaimer, there’s still no benefit in this technology.

If you are as good and kind for the industry and to us riders, what’s the use of supporting this tend, considering you also admit it doesn’t make a difference? In the end your product will only strengthen this trend, meaning less non-HS will be made, sold bought, and serviced.

If you wanted to be completely honest about it, just could have said that you’re in it for the money. Your press release would become only more authentic for PB audience then.
  • 3 0
 I don't have this cable tourism. But I can only imagine that last pic of the stem is not very realistic... cables move and grind.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/24972157

This is on a Commencal where cable entered like this : img.ricardostatic.ch/images/148b0935-7095-44cc-883b-b090dc64ed08/t_1000x750/commencal-meta-sl-2-26-grosse-m

Doesn't this issue occur with that headset routing?? I can tell you that cables are strong, and nobody likes a damaged steerer...
  • 8 0
 you cant polish a turd.
  • 1 0
 You need to watch Jodorowsky's "The Holy Mountain".
  • 3 0
 that's what we all needed to make our bikes look great! oh wait no. the stem itself is nice, the system is honestly well made BUT, it's garbage, all plastic below the stem, it looks bad and feels cheap AF, this is the wrong direction mtb world. let's go back
  • 5 0
 So if water intrusion into the frame through cable ports is a "known problem", then why do we run cables internally?

Asking for a friend Wink
  • 4 0
 yep, the best way to have "weather-tight, sealed ports" is not to drill holes in the first place
  • 4 0
 If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Selling out to support a trend you claim to have no faith in is weak. Sixpack have just become the latest company to avoid.
  • 3 0
 I don't understand, Sixpack are Propain right ? And they are saying they don't like headset cable routing, but still put on their new bikes, and reluctantly now make a stem for it?
  • 2 0
 "THE BIG 'WHY'

Another company that's going on board with internal cable tourism, ähh routing... WHY? We see a trend of bike manufacturers switching to this new cable routing method. For us as a component brand, it’s important to stay within the trends and standards of modern bikes."

Or, maybe you could have just ignored the hole in the market everyone else left :you know, since it "won't work"), and not acted as an enabler of the bike industry's worst design trend for at least the last 10 years.
  • 2 0
 Bulge the area of head tube immediately behind the top bearing, and leave room to route the cables _outside_ of the bearing. A two-piece top cap can then be used to clean up the routing around the steerer and out the front. Looks clean, but leaves the bearing out of the deal. I will _never_ buy into a system that runs cables through a bearing.
  • 2 0
 Trek does this on some of their road bikes. It’s also a terrible solution, not sure if it’s Trek’s half hearted execution and fiddly cover but it sort of looks like an after thought.
  • 2 0
 Four cable entries will never be enough for those with remote rear shock lockout, Rohloff and Pinion, dropper and obviously a rear brake hose. I consider this a conspiracy to trick us into getting an AXS dropper seatpost.
  • 3 0
 AXS everything. AXS brakes must be just around the corner.
  • 2 0
 @FaahkEet: yep, just around the corner.....to which you will get to super rapidly when your battery dies mid ride! Big Grin
  • 2 0
 @Mtbdialed: Nah for safety reasons, the brakes will default to fully locked when the battery runs out.
  • 1 0
 @gabiusmaximus: If they use the same software as these headlights, well before the batteries are empty they'll start pulsating in a recognizable pattern. Just as a safety reminder to recharge them when you're back home.
  • 2 0
 @gabiusmaximus: ah! fantastic! I cannot think of a single thing that could go wrong!? Big Grin
  • 1 0
 Can we stop with this already?? There is zero performance advantage to HS cable routing. The point is simply one of aesthetics which are subjective. This trend needs to be killed quick. Riders are not going to want this after their first bar spinning crash that kinks the cables running through the headset. Ride over, race over. You have to remove the fork, completely dismantle the cockpit then run all new housing and cables. Then go through the entire reassembly and setup procedure just to get back up and running after what amounts to a very common type of crash. Repeat after every similar incident. No one is going to want this as soon as people realize that their cables can get kinked so easily. What a dumb ass idea.
  • 1 0
 I want to roll up a newspaper and hit every manufacturer on the head... stop it... no... down boy, stop it.

The first 6 paragraphs are basically "Don't hit me with that rolled-up newspaper"... I get it, you like money, and I don't blame you...

Under "Doing it right" I was waiting for "running a cable inside your headset bearing is stupid on all accounts and we've found a way around that.... but no....
  • 5 0
 Just No!
  • 3 0
 I don’t get why the cables are run through the bearing? Could they not make it run on the outside of the bearing?
  • 1 0
 But then 3 more inches of cable or hose will be sticking out which is a DEAL BREAKER
  • 3 3
 Why use plastic in the headset in the first place?

Yes, it won’t break, but it will add lateral flex felt through the handlebars. Especially for folks who have already tried products like intend stiffmaster for their singlecrowns.
  • 1 1
 Isn't it just because it is a complex shape that's easier to produce through injection moulding? Never realized the slight increase in flexibility in headset spacers could be an issue. Once you've clampled the stem to the steerer, that's where are the loads go. The spacers may help to preload the top headset bearing but I never thought that was supposed to be a lot.

But yeah, I could be wrong as indeed I've never ridden with plastic spacers (nor split spacers).
  • 1 1
 @vinay: Depends on the steerer, When I run my MacRide spacer on my MTB, I used to be able to perceive a little bit of flex, (now I have OneUp bars and I can't anymore) compared to the Cane Creek 110 stepped spacers I typically run. On all the Trek road bikes that use split plastic spacers, you can feel some flex with really high stacks.
  • 3 2
 No it wont. Headset spacers don't do anything to reduce stiffness. The intend stiffmaster is a very silly design, its just a thrust bearing that goes under your headset dust cover and does... very little.
  • 3 1
 you think plastic spacers induce flex? can you articulate why you think that is?
  • 2 1
 @Mtbdialed: metal (or carbon) is basically non-compressible, plastic is not. A stack of solid spacers basically adds another tube around the outside of your steerer tube. This supplies another load path to transmit forces from your stem, to the headset. I’ve no idea how much stiffer this will actually make the stem/steerer/headset area. But from a purely engineering stand point, it is technically more rigid. I’d imagine if you have 30/40mm of stack height, it will be detectable.
  • 2 1
 @Cord1: Ok, so lets talk physics and engineering then.....


what you're positing is that a metal spacers, effectively make the steerer a larger diameter, and this in a deflection situation, would offer a more ridgid connection?

Let me take that apart real quick. what you have to take into consideration is that the spacers are not one piece, and that the spacers have a rather healthy clearance from their inner diameter and the outer diameter of the steerer. So there is lots of play to be taken up by the flex of the steerer, before they would offer buttress to further flex of the steerer. to cut this somewhat shorter, the steerer does not flex that much over a 40mm(this is an insane amount of spacers btw) distance. If it did, it would likely snap, or the force would be so great you would not be able to hold onto the bars!

regardless of spacer material, there is about an order of magnitude more flex in your handle bars, then there could ever be in a steerer(without it snapping, which always happens at the CSU, and is a product of the far greater forces induced by the longer lever of the fork, than the 40mm lever of the steerer between the stem and upper headset bearing).

ultimately, you have invented a problem where one does not exist.
  • 1 2
 @Mtbdialed: First off, everything is a spring. This is a fact, and you cannot deny it. A steerer tube will deflect, how much it deflects, like I said previously, I don’t know, but rest assured it is a (relatively) thin walled tube and will deflect when force is applied. Diameter, has nothing to do with it, nor that they are individual pieces, when the tube deflects, one side will lengthen, the opposing side will shorten. The stack of (non-compressable) spacers will help stop the side shortening, therefore making the entire system more rigid. Again, I don’t know how noticeable this change would be, but the mechanics of the mechanism at work mean that there will be a difference in deflection.
  • 2 0
 @Cord1: if we are talking about a few microns, you are likely correct. I just didn't know we were wasting time talking about completely inconsequential shit. lol


and no, not EVERYTHING is a spring. I will give you a couple min to think about why that is, and perhaps what materials/compounds and their properties/states are not.
  • 1 3
 @Mtbdialed: even diamonds deflect, it’s just a case of having the correct equipment to measure it. You wanted to get pedantic, so let’s go the whole hog.
  • 1 2
 @Cord1: ok. I will enlighten you and let you off the hook....


water. liquid water cannot be compressed, and without compression, you have no spring.


good talk, Rus!
  • 1 0
 Everything subject to a load deforms. Indeed solids and liquids don't compress, but they still deform. Which implies that if you compress a solid column axially, it expands radially. If you support it radially (so from the circumference) it will actually behave stiffer axially. But obviously, your support will deform too (as it is subject to load) hence the column still won't perform infinitely stiff.

With that out of the way, I'll leave the rest of the discussion to you for now.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: only in the PB comments section do you get people citing water as an incompressible fluid to justify...something? I honestly can't even remember who's arguing for what
  • 1 0
 @intelligent-goldfish: Alright alright, solids and liquids are compressible too, just much less than gasses. I'm not going to argue liquids with someone who has spent all its life submerged in water and still produces bubbles. Whatever you say is correct. All I said to help the discussion was that the compression of a stack (of spacers in this case) largely isn't the compression of the material. Most of it is just deformation from a tall slender column (or tube) to a shorter and wider one. Whether that's even noticeable in the handlebar I'll leave for the others to decide. From my perspective, the stem is just clamped to the steerer regardless of whether there are spacers or not. That is, I suppose once you've clamped the steerer properly you could remove the top cap and cut the spacers and everything should work just fine. That's just my theory though. Practice might very well be different. Plus of course I personally wouldn't do it. If the bars can rotate in a crash, the stem could also slide in axial direction. So the top cap and spacers would still make for a nice safety net.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: I wasn't calling you out as wrong, you're quite correct. I just find the whole exchange a little funny.

If we're on the actual discussion topic, the spacers would add stiffness if the entire thing was either in compression or totally flush, but I don't think that's usually the case. Either way I can't imagine it makes much difference, but I also haven't really given it much thought. It's just such a minor thing relative to everything else
  • 1 0
 @Mtbdialed: nice try, but water is actually compressible.

“The bulk modulus of water is about 2.2 x 109 Pa, which means that a change of 1 N/m2 of external pressure on the liquid is able to change a given volume of it by a factor of 4.5 x 10-10”

So it doesn’t compress much, but it does compress. And more to the point, you knew I wasn’t talking liquids, so nice try.
  • 3 0
 Where is the goldilocks stem size of 42.5mm? 35mm is too small and 50mm is too big
  • 1 0
 Doesn't anyone make 40mm anymore then? I thought my old Hussefelt stem is 40mm (though my current stem is indeed 35mm).
  • 1 0
 @vinay: Hussefelt stem is 40 (50, too) and still selling for 20-25 euros brand-new. Probably the best price/performance ratio of MTB part ever Smile

It’s even still looking nice, after XX years on the market.
  • 1 0
 OneUp make 42, Spank make 43 - take your pick! I remember having an old Husselfelt that was either 42 or 43 - many years ago.
  • 1 0
 Burgtec also does a 42
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 Nice and all but Goldilocks doesn't want 43mm or 42mm. She wants 42.5, dammit. Now she's mad and she's going to eat my porridge, break my chair and sleep in my bed. The bed is fine but I was quite happy about my chair actually. Just give her the stem she wants so she can stop sneaking into my house and just hit the trails instead.
  • 5 0
 Burn it with fire
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 If you have to do it, do it right with the most adjustment possible. I could never even run this if I wanted to as there are no housing exit ports on my 153 (90% external routing). Lucky me.
  • 4 0
 Headset routing is the same as ebikes..gross.
  • 2 0
 all this trouble to make headset cable routing work, to "clean up" the cockpit, and then there's still the long and gangly brake housing to the front disc. lol
  • 1 0
 Why not just machine out some half-moons on slightly wider diameter spacers for cables/brake lines to pass through. No special stem needed. Or, better yet, give up the whole ridiculous internal aesthetic.
  • 1 0
 Oh f*ck right off.

I will literally never buy a bike with cable tourism aka headset routing. Glad that there's still brands like RAAW and Santa Cruz who haven't lost their freaking marbles.
  • 1 0
 And what if the absence of the holes makes the head tube stronger? Less weak spots, easier to manufacture.

But otherwise, no I do not like it either.
  • 1 0
 Woo hoo increasing their insane profit margins!
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 $150 dollars (118 GBP) for some cable tourism... you're having a tin bath!
  • 1 0
 This kind of just looks like a stack of spacers with a standard stem. Is it possible to use different stems if they don't have what I need for size or is it all proprietary?
  • 1 0
 I hope they are listening. The users don't want headset routing. WHY has it made it this far ? Who's doing the research at these companies ! ?
  • 1 0
 Because bikes are designed 5 years in advance and produced 2 years in advance. It will go the way of plus tires and "needing a gravel bike to make boring trails fun". Don't worry, it won't last.
  • 1 0
 @RonSauce: I think you're flattering the bike companies' product departments, I doubt anything is planned in detail 5 years out, or that any plans made 5 years out survive to see the light of day.
  • 1 0
 @dgwww: I think you're under estimating how long this sort of stuff takes. Look at how long the Grim donut projects take, and those are just prototypes with no intention of mass production, or think about how long Kaz was on a finished transmission that was under embargo still.

Obviously those numbers are case by case, but 5 and 2 was what someone actually in marketing for a bike company told me is about usual. Too many people got too excited about dangerholm bikes and the industry wanted to copy.
  • 1 0
 @RonSauce: yeah what do I know, I've only been designing & mass producing consumer products (including carbon bikes) for 15 years.
  • 1 0
 @dgwww: sweet, and it takes you a month to respond to a pinkbike comment. You people are sloooooow.
  • 1 1
 @RonSauce: we people are busy riding bikes !
  • 10 8
 Its just a fad ... like fatbikes.
  • 9 0
 Canadian winter riders would like to have a word... Fatbikes aren't for everyone, but for a few of us they're an absolute game changer.
  • 4 0
 @ratedgg13: I moved somewhere with an actual winter last year. Bought a fatbike and it’s rad. Keeps me out riding.
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 @whitebirdfeathers: if that place is somewhere in the Rockies, try backcountry skiing, and fat biking will instantaneously lose its appeal.
  • 4 1
 @Hayek: fat bikes are a great hedge against shitty ski conditions. If it’s snowing, go skiing. If it’s not, go fat biking.
  • 2 0
 @ratedgg13: I reluctantly bought a fat bike last winter, and while it's not as amazing for me as many of the converts would have you believe, it was pleasantly suprising and way better than my previous winter activity: waiting at the front window until spring.
  • 1 0
 @plyawn: For sure. It's fun but nowhere near as fun as typical mountain biking. For me it's a good winter compliment to Zwift and cross-country skiing.
  • 1 0
 @plyawn: I used to live in the rockies where I could ski all winter, but now if I don't want to spend my winter staring at a screen of some kind, a fatbike is a great option.
  • 1 0
 @ratedgg13: and desert dwellers! I had a great time on the sand dunes of the Simpson desert - still have a fatbike for that or the beach, where it excels compared to 'normal' MTBs.
  • 2 0
 Here waiting for the nuanced takes on headset cable routing.
  • 1 0
 That's the first time I kind of like the HS routing optics. But I still do not want it from practical point of view.
  • 2 0
 TRIGGER WARNING!! CABLE TOURISM!!!
  • 1 0
 Wouldnt it be cool to find the comment section completely empty... Maybe only once
  • 4 5
 I bleed my brakes and change shifter housing about once a year, but never had to change a headset bearing. It’s a bit of a nuisance but I really don’t care if my next bike has headset cable routing or not.
  • 2 0
 Still doesn't answer 'why?'.
  • 3 0
 strongly worded comment
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 I see what you did there.
  • 2 0
 Did that make you feel better?
  • 1 0
 @ak-77: I'll say that yes it did but deep down inside I'm still fuming and I'm going to take that out on everyone else with passive aggressive statements and ad hominem attacks.
  • 1 0
 I'm glad they were able to bring this to market, but I hate that they had to.
  • 1 0
 the exact same system every road bike company has been using for the past 5 years
  • 1 0
 Imagine you change upper bearing of headset....
  • 2 0
 but I love bleeding my rear brake just to re-grease/clean the top headset bearing
  • 1 0
 surpised to see theres no angry comments about headset routing yet...
  • 1 0
 Heeeeeerrrrre fishy fishy….
  • 1 0
 One off, handle bars spins 180, everything rips out,yeh genius
  • 1 0
 Running housing through the headset is idiotic...period...full stop.
  • 2 0
 Facepalm
  • 1 0
 Straight to comment section !
  • 1 0
 I do not see the merit in this cable routing.
  • 1 0
 That is the new Ekano ruined then when it comes out.
  • 1 0
 Just No!
  • 1 0
 Is it April 1st???
  • 1 0
 CABLE TOURISM
  • 1 0
 F*** Y**
  • 1 0
 Please leave
  • 3 3
 This is why I run AXS.







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