Spengle's One-Piece Carbon Enduro Wheels - First Look

Dec 6, 2017
by Mike Levy  
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Long before it was widely accepted as a strong, lightweight, and relatively reliable material to build everything from entire frames to cranks, derailleur cages, handlebars, and even stems, carbon fiber was seen as something exotic and reserved for weight weenies with deep pockets. These days, you can, for the most part, also add rims to that list, although nearly all of those are mated to hubs by way of steel spokes that are under tension. You know, like how it's been done for more way longer than a hundred years.

Swiss company Spengle wants to change that with their one-piece, carbon fiber monocoque wheel design.


Spangle Wheels Photo by Simon Nieborak
Spengle Wheel Details

• Intended use: all-mountain / enduro
• Wheel size: 27.5''
• Carbon monocoque construction
• Multi-directional carbon fiber
• 24mm internal width
• Hookless bead
• Centrelock w/ adaptors for 6-bolt
• Hub spacing: Boost or non-Boost; quick-release or 15mm thru-axle
• Availability: early 2018
• Lifetime warranty
• Weight: 1,750 grams (claimed)
• MSRP: 1,490 EUR
www.spengle.com

''Times change. The world has drastically changed since the first bike wheel was rolled out - but really what has changed since that original wheel,'' Martin Cox, Spengle CMO, replied when I suggested that a cynic might say that the Spengle wheel is different solely for the sake of being different. ''That original concept of using spokes has effectively stagnated; the industry is becoming lazy - looking to iterate rather than revolutionize,'' he went on to say.

But this is far from being the first time that the traditional spoked system has been ditched on a high-end, ''revolutionary'' wheel - who remember Spin or Spinergy? None of those were ever accepted en masse or even stuck around long enough to seen as anything more than trick-looking yet likely unobtainable for most riders. Cox, however, sounds confident that it'll be different with Spengle's wheels.


Spangle Wheels Photo by Simon Nieborak


While I'd probably argue that the spoked wheel is closer than ever to being optimized rather stagnating, Cox certainly had some interesting things to say. I shot him a handful of questions about Spengle's new wheels, why they look so different, and how he expects things to play out down the road.



9 Questions With Martin Cox, Spengle CMO


Mike Levy: With only a few exceptions, the very large majority of wheels, from entry-level to high-end, employ steel spokes. This is a time-proven layout, yet you've gone with a one-piece design. A cynic might say that the Spengle wheel is different only for the sake of being different. How would you reply to them?

Martin Cox: We set out to create the best wheel the world has ever seen, using the technology that was available to us, with production and design methods that were developed for the 21st century. Just think how many component pieces go into an old-fashioned wheel; you are talking about hundreds of separate potential points of failure, and it’s ultimately the same as 100 years ago.

The Spengle Carbon Monocoque has been developed to simplify the bike wheel, and to make the most efficient use of technology to deliver a superior ride. We started with the wheel’s outline, and have never relied on convention to dictate how it ‘should be done.' The end result is a product that delivers a superb riding experience, an agile and stable monocoque delivering across the key characteristics that riders have told us are most important: strength, weight, and stiffness.

But you know, cynics will be cynical - and we get that, we really do! Even on first sight, our test pilots were unsure about the wheel - that is, right up until the moment they rode it and very quickly caught our vision. So dialed is that experience that we’ve even been winning races in Europe on unbadged wheelsets! You don’t revolutionize such an industry without butting up against skepticism, but the proof is in the layup, and our riders are loving the results!


Spangle Wheels Photo by Simon Nieborak
Spangle Wheels Photo by Simon Nieborak


Levy: When it comes to steel spokes and traditional wheel design, the consensus is that the more spokes there are, the more the load is spread out across each spoke and over the diameter of the rim. Why does Spengle use three carbon "spokes" instead of four, five, or some other number?

Cox: To some extent that consensus is correct, but within the beauty of the monocoque’s tri-blade design comes the evolution of wheel technology. We have looked to the simplicity in mathematics and nature to produce this design, the prime number of 3 being the ultimate reduction of the chaos of a traditional spoked wheel. Rather than relying on 28 spokes, we have effectively created a wheel with tens of thousands of spokes, the strands of carbon doing that conventional job of dispersing the load.

Instead of coping on an individual level, the carbon fibers act in unison as a pressure release system throughout the entire monocoque structure. But why three? Three allows us to produce a wheel that helps to cope with Newton’s third law (equal and opposite reaction etc. ). Effectively what we are saying is that when a spoked wheel interacts with the ground, it is passing that force straight back up to the rider, but by using the tri-blade monocoque we are spreading that force away from the rider, giving them a smoother, more comfortable ride.



Levy: What happens when a rider knocks the rim out of true? Or manages to crack the rim?

Cox: First up, a rim goes out of true when spokes are loosened - we don’t have any spoke, so that’s not going to be an issue! But if the worst does happen, and somehow the rider manages to crack or break a wheel then we want them to get in touch and let us know. At the end of the day they are strong. However, we don’t claim to be indestructible. They are the optimal combination of strength and weight for an enduro wheel; that’s where we envisage them being used, and they will do an outstanding job out on the enduro bike, but we haven’t made a downhill or jump wheel.

We offer a lifetime warranty on the wheel provided that it’s being used within those realms - if we see you at Rampage on them, that will certainly invalidate the warranty. If you do crash and break the wheel, we’d want you to get in touch and we’ll offer a replacement at a discounted rate. We want to engage with the riders on our wheels - we want to see what you are up to, and if something does go wrong, then we want to ensure that it’s made right.


Spangle Wheels Photo by Simon Nieborak


Levy: You say that you've incorporated ''cutting-edge aerospace technology,'' but what exactly are you referring to when you say that?

Cox: From the selection of suitable materials to create the carbon Spengle Monocoque, through to the use of state-of-the-art Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) software, we’ve looked to revolutionize the entire design and development process. In addition to the computing power behind our product development, we have over 20 years of experience in the application and production of high-performance carbon structures.

We use the most up-to-date technologies, including aerospace grade metals to create our bespoke hub casings, delivering an extraordinary strength/weight ratio, and we utilize a plasma activation treatment to ensure complete system integrity. And the rest? Well, we keep our secrets locked up tight!



Levy: Are the wheels built using the same type of carbon that you might find used for a carbon bike frame? Or is the carbon, resin, or anything else drastically different to suit the wheel's needs?

Cox: It makes sense to use materials that have proven themselves for specific applications. In this instance, we use grades of carbon that are also used in the aircraft, vehicle, and sporting goods industries. However, the real value for our customers comes from bringing our considerable experience and the materials together, producing an end product that will delight them on every ride. Anybody can ride a bike, but we can’t all wear rainbow bands!


Spangle Wheels Photo by Simon Nieborak


Levy: Can you give a brief description of the wheel build process? Where are they manufactured?

Cox: We are entirely made within the EU, something we are really proud of. We have custom facilities dedicated to both the R&D phase and also to the manufacturing process. We mix both precision hand layups with a computer controlled curing and testing environment, dubbed Production 4.0. Each wheel is RFID enabled to allow us to track it throughout its lifetime, from production through to shipping and the end-user.

This rigorous process is crucial for us to ensure the integrity of the wheel - as riders ourselves, we want our customers never to need to worry about their equipment. To the extent that we have integrated safety into the core of our design process - we have called the accumulation of technology and protection in our wheels Failsafe; if the worst happens on your ride you should always be able to rely on your Spengle wheels to help get you home!



Levy: The website says that the Spengle wheels are twenty years in the making. Are these wheels your first product? And if so, what do you mean when you reference twenty years?

Cox: As a company, Spengle existed in the late 80’s and 90’s at the birth of the MTB scene in Europe. Our wheels have a heritage that would make most brands sick with envy, having won numerous Crocodile Trophies in Australia, RAAM in the US, and even holding Downhill Speed Records!

We’ve returned to the scene after a hiatus; now that technology and production methods have caught up with our ambitions, we are once again producing wheels with the aim of creating the best enduro wheel on the planet. Our chief engineer is a certifiable genius with decades of experience with composite materials and their qualities, and able to focus on a rider-tuned product to give the best possible experience - the freedom to create without the inherent frailties of the spoke as would be found in the rest of the industry.

Spengle´s CEO is the son of the original owner and has always had ambitions to bring the Spengle brand back to production. This first wheel is the culmination of three years of work to do just that, and is the opening statement for our aims as a company to shake up an entire industry. Already we have a product roadmap that looks at how we can bring the wheel to a wider market, both on the road and MTB scene.


Spangle Wheels Photo by Simon Nieborak
Spangle Wheels Photo by Simon Nieborak


Levy: Your wheels are said to weigh as little as 1,750-grams, which is a lot lighter than previous one-piece wheels. How were you able to bring the weight down?

Cox: Weight is an interesting focus of the industry as a whole - when your product is essentially the same as every other wheel out there, you have to try and justify its price by throwing numbers around. We strongly feel that the aim should always be to provide the best possible combination of weight, strength, and stiffness to ensure the rider experience.

We could certainly make them lighter, but at what cost? Likewise, we could make them heavier and stronger for the downhill crowd. Our core focus is the enduro rider, and for that rider we've worked to optimise those ratios to deliver the best ride possible. We spoke to hundreds of riders about where they felt they were being neglected by traditional wheel firms for their needs, so our product was born from a research background, where we really listened to the concerns of riders to allow us to tune the wheel to those needs.

By working with the best materials, and some incredibly talented and visionary team members, we’ve been able to challenge ourselves to create a product that has no rivals in the market! From its stunning visuals through to its ride qualities, the Spengle Carbon Monocoque absolutely delivers across all fronts.



Levy: One-piece wheels have been done before (Spin, among others ) but have never taken off or been as widely accepted as traditional spoke and rim design. How can Spengle be different, and how would you like to have people see your wheel design two years from now?

Cox: We see ourselves in the same mold as a Tesla or an iPhone in this manner; in two years time, we are aiming for people to look at spokes and consider them to be the odd-looking wheels. Just consider how the mobile phone looked before the iPhone! Yes, there were other touch-screen devices out there already, but they were ugly and ill-considered affairs. A decade later and you’ll struggle to even find an old-fashioned device anymore, such is the ubiquity of the touchscreen. Simply put, our aim is to be considered entirely normal, and people will look at a spoked wheel with curiosity.

The challenge is to ensure that we can produce in sufficient volumes to cope with demand, whilst simultaneously ensuring that the integrity of the wheel is maintained - we are entirely focussed on rider safety and ensuring the experience of riding a Spengle Carbon Monocoque is as good as it can be. To that end, we have invested heavily in having a process-driven manufacturing facility, one that is super-efficient to guarantee that every wheel that rolls off our line is the best enduro wheel on the market.

We have already had initial inquiries from bike brands about fitting our wheels as OEM stock, and we are developing a ‘shoebox’ facility that will enable us to install it alongside their current facilities and for the firms to then produce wheelsets with our production values and quality assurance.




So there you have it, Spengle's new one-piece carbon wheels. The Swiss company's aim to have mountain bikers see the traditional spoked wheel as a dated design is ambitious, but do you believe that it's possible? If not, what do you think would need to change for that to happen?


450 Comments

  • + 460
 This is awesome, If there was one thing that massively expensive carbon wheelsets needed, it was removing the ability to change the rim after you crack it. Now you can bin the entire wheel instead of just the rim.
  • + 183
 And be the enve of all your mates
  • + 232
 @honourablegeorge For you it's easy, you live on a small island. But living in Austria, how am I going to manage to trash my broken carbon wheels in the ocean ??
  • + 72
 @zede: You can bury them under the snow in the mountains. Don't worry, it's just as environmentally unfriendly as dumping them in the sea
  • + 9
 @zede: Well, there's plenty of room in Wörthersee as well. Wink
  • + 59
 Kill them before they lay eggs.
  • + 5
 Ocean fill Frown
  • + 151
 I don't get the hate. They're cheaper than a lot of carbon wheels out there, and have a lifetime warranty? Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. Just because they're different and new doesn't mean that they suck. Y'all should give them a chance before ripping on them. Innovation keeps the sport progressing, constantly criticizing something new for no reason is going to kill the desire to innovate. Y'all need to chill on the blind hate, just because it doesn't look like something you are comfortable with.
  • + 39
 @BurritoBob: "innovation" also keeps me poor
  • + 153
 @BurritoBob: This isn't how the PB comment section works.
  • + 9
 @Thustlewhumber: Ya, I read all the negative hate on PB to figure out what exactly will probably be the next best thing.
  • + 4
 Not clear on the benefit other than they look different...look forward to a review...
  • + 49
 Totally rad: so much room for stickers!
  • + 28
 Please demo a set for us and report back. Pics on your Ellsworth or it didn't happen Wink Razz
  • + 11
 @BurritoBob: I don't know where you saw the lifetime warranty part. He said if you break one, send it to us so we can look at it, and we will offer you a replacement at a "discounted" rate.
  • + 17
 Heavy ... 1759 grams for a 24 inner width is heavier than aluminum! For comparison DT XMC 1200 at 30 mm inner width rated for all montain are at 1440 grams ... the DT Carbon 24 mm inner width I own are at 1400 ...
  • + 31
 The 24mm plasma activated tesla iphone of wheels. I sense a serious Monocoque-up.
  • + 5
 @Dethphist: Just because their lifetime warranty isn't no questions asked doesn't mean it's not a solid warranty. They are just protecting themselves from the people who run over their bike and then claim it broke on a fire road climb.
  • + 3
 @zede: Just take it over to Switzerland and throw it in the lake with the WWII munitions.
  • + 9
 @genericmk @honourablegeorge i just got a better idea : shipping it to Bears Ears, UT for disposal
  • - 13
flag jakewashere (Dec 6, 2017 at 11:30) (Below Threshold)
 @sewer-rat: Enve rims... Pun intended?
  • + 2
 Ouch that was brutal and hillarious
  • + 1
 @BartDM: So funny
  • + 4
 @Thustlewhumber: I am having way too much fun reading these comments. Brilliant
  • + 5
 @BurritoBob: if the crack while upright. when was the last time you had a wheel fail that wasnt technically your error? a rock hit from a wreck isnt covered. you get a "discount". i'll take cheap spokes, thank you.
  • + 12
 @Konyp: Usually I look to the comments for a dose of humour. Today I found a big helping of laughs in the article as well!
  • + 2
 @Dethphist: right there on top, in the specs. and then in the 3rd answer, just before that part about a discounted rate Wink
  • + 2
 I hope they are 28.25 with extra boost spacing
  • + 2
 @Dethphist: It says lifetime warranty in the specs section of the article, which would probably cover manufacturing defects. The quote you pulled is related to a crash replacement/using the wheel beyond its specs.
  • + 19
 Yep, I had Spin wheels back when they were 'popular' and killed a rim, which killed the wheel. The biggest problem I had with them though was sticks just fell through the gaps far more easily than with a normal number of spokes.

Bonus photo of my monstrosity with spins Wink
www.pinkbike.com/photo/5343113
  • - 2
 @BurritoBob: Whose lifetime? As soon as they fail, they are no longer alive and no longer under warranty. Its like the plumber who gives his customers the taillight guarantee! Its guaranteed as long as you can see the taillights!
  • + 6
 Oh f$&@ing no! What’s old is new again!

I’d gladly run these.
For free.
To test the breaking point.
If you need a noob 200+ pound test pilot to jump these at low psi and cruise thru some rock gardens.

Can I have a pair?
  • + 8
 @somemorestuff: holly crap! Thats such a 90’s dream rig! Even now, it is exciting me. Apart from the xxyyzzyyyzzzxxx forks.
  • + 1
 @sewer-rat: tri hard
  • - 2
 @BurritoBob: I hate them because I don't want plastic shit on my bike.
  • + 3
 @Dethphist: right here, "We offer a lifetime warranty on the wheel provided that it’s being used within those realms - if we see you at Rampage on them, that will certainly invalidate the warranty. If you do crash and break the wheel, we’d want you to get in touch and we’ll offer a replacement at a discounted rate."
  • + 5
 Didn't Spin already make these back in the 90's???
  • + 3
 @lifeofloon: Discount =/= warranty in my mind.
  • + 5
 @zede: I thought Trump changed the name to Bears Tears, Utah.
  • + 1
 My favorite comment, evar!
  • + 2
 @peedboy: someone didn’t bother actually reading the article Wink
  • + 4
 @thelostboy: This 'ocean fill' crap has become a whole new buzz-term used without any fact or actual information.

What manufacturers - 'ocean fill' carbon, all of them?, some of them? - How much carbon is put into the ocean? (any amount is bad of course but we want facts not marketing)

How much crap from aluminium manufacturing goes into the ocean, how much crap from steel goes into the ocean? How much crap is produced as a byproduct of manufacturing both materials?
  • + 1
 @BurritoBob: Hmm it could be cheaper. But once your hub is shot from overriding. Goodluck changing it
  • + 6
 The answers provided to Mike's questions sound more like ad speak and BS than actual science. I think these will go the same way as the first lot - or they will start a new craze for carbon wheel size Frisbees.
  • + 2
 @somemorestuff: ZYYZXX forks !! awesome. San Andrea Frame. Brilliant. but Bar Ends and a super high seat post ? you were pedaling that bad boy up hill ? my goodness......
  • + 1
 @PeteRepka: it was '97 and my xc bike, I'm also 6ft 3 so - yes silly long seatpost - my 2nd of 3 san andreas's and 3rd of 6 mountain cycles - only have two left
  • + 3
 @PinkyScar: Room for 6 bottle cages!
  • + 2
 We are a world living on the edge and it seems like we are trying to push ourselves over it. There is a large debate about the waste of carbon products. So we must make more, bigger, carbon products.
  • + 0
 @XCMark: Is there a 'large' debate though? From what I can see its just Pole bikes at the moment and we don't have any facts at hand other than a picture of a pile of frames and hear-say.
  • + 1
 @Racer951: just pole bikes making carbon?
  • + 0
 @XCMark: No, just Pole bikes bringing the whole 'ocean fill' issue to debate, but not providing much evidence about its effects in reality or comparing carbon production to other forms of cycle manufacturing - Its not a 'large debate' at the moment, we have not heard from the rest of the industry or seen any figures, its just hear-say and marketing talk at the moment.

Realistically, the biggest environmental benefit of them moving to a CNC frame is probably bringing production back to their home country, if they had been able to take carbon manufacturing back home the benefits would be probably almost the same as I cant imagine they would be grinding up carbon and putting it into the sea....
  • + 1
 @sewer-rat: Very good.
  • + 1
 @Racer951: You want evidence? Okay! Look into the waste found in the Pacific Gyre!

If you ask me to get you a link, I wont. I leave your studies to you to fulfill!
  • + 3
 @XCMark: Completely missing my point yet again - re read what I have written! A well-known oceanic waste site doesn't give me any facts about cycle industry waste, does it?

I am not condoning or supporting environmental abuse, I want to see the facts regarding the environmental impacts of carbon production V aluminium and steel bicycles not just a marketing statement from a bicycle company - get what I mean?

What is the point in us all jumping on the bandwagon if its actually wrong - if the industry is crapping on the environment we should know what areas are the worst on a factual basis, where it can be improved and how us as the consumer can help. Going on Pinkbike and continually bashing carbon as 'ocean fill' with no evidence while riding your aluminium / steel Taiwanese / Chinese bike in ignorant bliss is counter productive if its that side of the industry that's the most damaging.
  • + 1
 @Racer951: one of the biggest harms to the environment is probably the manufacture and use of friction materials and tyres, now vehicles have gone hybrid we are looking (in my job) at ways to reduce emissions from the braking system. This is where legislation is now looking to improve vehicles due to manufacturing and emissions from these systems, MTB probably has this also
  • + 1
 @sewer-rat: good to hear legalisation being put in place to help but we so fall far short of a genuine study on the industry, giving us numerical facts that bring everything out in the open so we can move forward with a more general solution. I can't imagine this will happen any time soon though, we can't even decide on axle diameter in the mtb industry after all...
  • + 1
 @ilovedust: you might like my first sanny then, with judys

www.pinkbike.com/photo/5342970
  • + 1
 @peedboy: Even Spengle made them in the '90's. I had a rear wheel from Spengle in my Zaskar in '97. They did have interchangeable alloy rims back then. The achillesheel of the wheel was the 'hub'. It was a Shimano freewheel mated to something they cobbled up. Not very good. And the paint cracked at the spokes due to flex, although that never translated into a wobbly wheel or increase in flex.
  • + 3
 @somemorestuff: That's cool. Here's my Zaskar with the Spengle rear wheel. www.pinkbike.com/photo/15445549
  • + 1
 @BurritoBob: Thats a slippery slope for accepting E-MTB...haha
  • + 1
 @zonoskar: nice and nice cranks
  • + 1
 @honourablegeorge: Exactly, its not like we live on a planet with finite resources or anything! And its also not like we have resources that can be recycled and re used!...
  • + 1
 @BurritoBob: Dont see an environmental statement on how they will cradle to grave their one piece broken carbon wheels.???????
  • + 139
 24mm internal width. Sorry but you’re going to have to actually measure up with the competition if you want to compete haha
  • - 32
flag poah (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:26) (Below Threshold)
 only if you're into fads.
  • + 43
 6 extra mm would make for a more pleasurable ride...
  • + 3
 @poah: fad or no fad. It’s simply a question of keeping with a market that is very competitive, they didn’t create these wheels to not make money off of them haha
  • + 39
 @MTBrent: that's what she said.
  • + 110
 I do not care about the inner width. I am concerned with the mouth-feel of this particular rim. It resembles several toys which can be thrown and then retrieved. What is the achievable distance for throwing these rims? Will they feel soft in-mouth or are they firm and slippery. Real questions again unanswered by the bike industry.
  • + 13
 If the lips of the are too close, putting the rubber on is pretty hard, and sealant tends to spill all over the place when you try to mount it. Moreover, its makes for a tougher time as you need to ride it super hard no to deflate over a small bum. Wider lips on the other hand, tend to make everything smoother and that's probably why everybody is looking for this these days.
  • + 5
 @MTBrent: Said the actress to the bishop...
  • + 4
 Well, if you want something similar but wider, I think I found what you need!

www.xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1579

3 Spoke Fat Bike Wheels
26"
90mm

Should be wide enough now.
  • + 10
 @IamTheDogEzra: loving your work!

Good boy, who’s a good boy?
  • + 3
 Who are these skinny rim lovers? Why do they not like better things more??
  • + 3
 @polarproton: why does everything french ppl say sounds dirty lol
  • + 3
 @JesseE: wider rims are an easy sell since ‘bigger=better’. But they do provide a minuscule amount of extra support to paper thin tyres. So they’re not completely BS, just mostly. Because if you really want more sidewall support there are simple solutions such as running more pressure, running appropriate tyres. Both of these allow you to run a nice, strong and relatively low weight 25mm rim, keep the shoulder knobs on the shoulders, reduce drag (important uphill AND downhill). In order to claim wider rims are better you have to focus on one small, moot point and forget about pretty much every other attribute of a wheel/ tyre system. You can of course go all out and use wide rims and tough tyres. But as I’ve said if you think wide rims are better because sidewall support, I afraid to say it but you’ve been suckered in by hack reviewers and ‘testers’ on sites such as this one.
  • + 6
 @ThomDawson: Funny, I thought my experience going from i25 rims to i30 rims and dropping my tire 8-10% with no noticeable additional squirm was a pretty non-BS-y benefit. I'm not as impressionable as you might believe, which is why I still ride a hardtail and think boost is bullshit. While you can obviously get by just fine with an i25 rim, in this day & age when tires are not only getting wider but also side knobs are starting to be set further out, I don't see any benefit aside from a few measly grams for making a rim that is in the narrower spectrum of MTB current rims.
  • + 1
 @JesseE: Same here. Now prefer 2.3" on 30mm i.w. Better cornering and straight line stability, and relatively squirmless. Derby Ray has been saying this for several years now. Using a 2.4" WT on a 24mm i.w. rim? Forget it. But I still don't want a size Large all-mountain bike with a wheelbase longer than 1200mm. Wider and longer must have their limits.
  • + 1
 @JesseE: well you’ve got numbers so you must be right I guess ;-) I’m just kidding, you do genuinely seem to know what you’re talking about. But you may not be whom I was necessarily talking about.
To be honest though I don’t really see much difference between a 25mm rim and a 30mm rim. I’ve run them both recently and it just so happens the rim I like - that has shown itself to be a good compromise of weight and strength and price for the riding that I do - is a 25mm. I would lean toward a preference of 25mm but if that same rim were 30mm internal I’d run it exactly the same way I do the 25mm and not think anything of it. I doubt I’d feel any difference in support or in any other area besides maybe I don’t like my tyre to cling to the earth and slow me down, but again, I don’t think 25-30mm is that big a deal. It’s a kind of sweet spot for current Maxxis 2.3-2.5 tyres imo.
With companies trying to sell ever wider and wider rims there seems to be a notion that anything below 30mm isn’t wide enough, and that IS BS. There are obscenely fast riders racing on 25mm rims. I dunno how many are rocking 35mm...seriously I don’t know but my point is 25mm (or very nearly) is as legit as 30mm. Are Spengle legit? Honestly I doubt it.
  • + 2
 @ThomDawson: guess what, I'm running an i30 on the back, i25 on the front! haha. With my current tires it runs quite well as I benefit from a lighter rim on the front (less burly rim than the back too) while having a bit more support on the back and a stronger rim too. On a hardtail, I have genuinely found the sweet spot on my back tire (2.35) at 23psi on my pump, which is about 2psi lower than I could go before I go squirm before. With no suspension on the back it really feels better. I have ridden bikes with wider rims front & back and found the extra stability noticeable. I've got 2.8s on other bike with i45 rims and those tires can get really soft.

There's no reason you can't shred on a slightly narrower rim, but my point is: if I'm gonna invest serious $$ in a new wheelset I dont' wanna find out in 2 years that all these newer wide tires don't perform well on my wheels, and two, I want every little benefit I can get. New expensive wheels should be cutting edge, not more of the same and I don't personally think that i25 is the perfect size considering what is happening with tires.
  • + 111
 "We have looked to the simplicity in mathematics and nature to produce this design, the prime number of 3 being the ultimate reduction of the chaos of a traditional [insert whatever the f*ck you want]."

Sincerely,

- Big heaping pile of market BS
  • + 17
 I also like the iPhone part.
  • + 25
 2017 Pink Bike Awards: Marketing BS of the Year goes to...
  • + 2
 @ltj999 Came here to say that exact same thing, from that exact same quote. Thanks for saving me the time.


I don't blame the PR suits anymore; they are only in it for the sales figures. I blame the suckers who encourage more of it by buying into it this never ending stream of BS Wink

And who here can honestly hold their hand up and say they have never fallen for it in some form in the past?
Not many of us, if anyone.

I managed to get out of the cycle finally when 27.5 came along. Much richer and happier as a result!
I can strongly recommend it!
  • + 5
 Such an asshat thing to say. "Prime number.... chaos... I'm a jerk".
  • + 3
 @bcmrider:

Hmmm... Radon?
  • + 2
 Yes, most of this sounds like new age pseudo-science mumbo jumbo. Do the wheels come with a box you attach to your bars that makes cool noises? www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBrN1sLZVik

Having said all that, let's hope they're great.
  • + 2
 To check the claims I just fed the video through a mass spectrometer to compensate for quantum entanglement effects and, indeed, it showed that he was riding 0.034mm/hour faster and his manual duration was 69 degrees longer than he would have had with normal wheels. So they are legit.
  • + 3
 @Slabrung: Seriously, that part made me wonder if they're buying into their own bullshit. Sounds like me answering essay questions on a test I forgot to study for.
  • + 1
 @TucsonDon: yeah, totally a WTF moment! I must have had a weird facial expression while reading this article.
  • + 105
 The 90s called...
  • + 56
 And the 1890's called for your spoked wheels....
  • + 11
 Spin wheels, first thing I thought of
  • - 1
 And they said here’s some dope wheels for the future!!
  • + 7
 @bman33: you got it. The name is similar and they are just as ugly.
  • + 17
 I'm oddly drawn to them ... but I'm an 80's kid... could be it?
  • + 15
 @nohit45: So these super futuristic wheels can't be ridden for DJ or DH .. or Ramapge Big Grin
but, a traditional spoked wheel desighn from the 1890's can............

Because riders don't ride down hills or over jumps on thier enduro bikes or in enduro races......
A hel lo fa lot of spin (pun intended) in this article
  • + 2
 @nojzilla: They only make wheels for one intended purpose *at the moment*, but just as they don't recommend their wheels for DH, no one would use traditional spoked XC racing wheels at Rampage. The one-piece design is not what limits the intended purpose.
  • + 2
 so old it's new again
  • + 4
 @toooldtodieyoung: so.. An 'enduro' wheel that's not designed for down hill.....
  • + 0
 Cue the sh*tty edit set to EDM in the swiss alps. wait wait... they actually already did that?
  • + 2
 @nojzilla: deliberately missing the point. Nice.

But like a fool, I’ll indulge you. Go to SRAM’s website and search the MTB category by Riding Type. Note how Roam 60 wheels are in the Enduro category, but not Gravity.

There are other companies out there that recommend their products for Enduro use, but not DH. Not just wheels, either. Would you expect to see Gwinn racing at MSA on his Capra?
  • + 1
 @toooldtodieyoung: what point? That most enduro bikes an parts are damn capable of riding DH and hitting jumps because, riding down hill an hitting jumps are pretty fckng major parts of enduro racing....

An here we have wheel aimed towards enduro that isn't warrentied for DH, or jumps........

And there was this one Aussie that put down a killer run an owned the hot seat for a good time at this year's World champs DH. On his 'enduro' bike......

With traditional spoked wheels that probably are designed to handle DH an jumps very well.
  • + 2
 @DARKSTAR63: Amen dude! Those things are sexy! Takes me back to my days of riding bmx on a set of Skyways!
  • + 1
 would truly be 90´s if they were 26in
  • + 1
 No 29er option either? Frown
  • + 91
 Man we could solve the energy crisis if we hooked up generators to all the wheel builders spinning in their graves
  • + 11
 @brohatmaghandi - totally laughed out loud! You're right - Sheldon Brown deserves better!
  • + 5
 Lmao that is amazing lol
  • + 81
 So for $1757.00 you can get a wheelset that look like they came off a 90's GT BMX, but weight 200 grams more than I9 Trail S wheelset, which also costs less than half the price. I'm gonna nope the f*ck out on this one.
  • + 3
 Haha...Yes! Totally Spin wheels. Wade Boots ran them when he rode for Balance as well.
  • + 2
 But but the video music was so dope!!!
  • + 1
 I'm not going to buy them either, but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea or a good starting point.
  • + 2
 Holy shit your exchange rate is good! Our real world exchange is about 2500CAD after tax most likely. I can pick up a hand laid (in Canada) carbon wheel set for 1500 bones. To each their own I guess!
  • + 2
 Hopefully you can find a freezer to put them into if they do get buckled
  • + 1
 But I9's are just not DT Swiss hubs by any stretch.
  • + 67
 if only they put them on an ellsworth...
  • + 4
 i rock gripshift on my Moment : ]
  • + 6
 Would that be just so you can see one of the world's worst looking wheel sets paired with something equally as aesthetically atrocious?
  • - 1
 Or an Orange Mtb...either will compliment each other
  • + 41
 Is Martin Cox a real person, or one of those automated Bot's that give positive Expedia reviews? Levy: 'How were you able to bring the weight down?"
Cox: "By working with the best materials, and some incredibly talented and visionary team members, we’ve been able to challenge ourselves to create a product that has no rivals in the market! From its stunning visuals through to its ride qualities, the Spengle Carbon Monocoque absolutely delivers across all fronts"

L u L
  • + 12
 Yes!!! Most of the "answers" in this article didnt actually answer the questions and just sounded like a bunch of positive innovation-related words jammed into a vague motivational response. Martin Cox sounds like the offspring of a politition and a used car salesman. What a cox.
  • + 43
 "The challenge is to ensure that we can produce in sufficient volumes to cope with demand..."

Something tells me that will not be as challenging as you seem to think.
  • + 41
 ....Waiting for the POLE CNC'd version so I can save the environment.
  • + 5
 Drill baby, drill !!!
  • + 40
 This fidget spinner trend has gone too far
  • + 37
 Hahahaha , I’ll just bang these on with my oval chainring and await eagle gripshift.
  • + 15
 Gripshifts are great. You can use them as E-bike throttle handles.
  • + 7
 @WAKIdesigns: A+ trolling
  • + 1
 @fluffyreddragon: what the..? Really.
  • + 17
 @fruitsd79: Gripshift is like the Nickelback of cycling, everyone says they hate it, yet people just keep buying it.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: What, E-bike throttle jammed?
  • + 31
 "So dialed is that experience that we’ve even been winning races in Europe on unbadged wheelsets!" ....Ah, yes, without the logos I would have mistaken them for a run-of-the-mill DT Swiss or Stan's wheelset. Very clever camoflage!
  • + 27
 I'll withhold judgement until I either ride them or read some decent reviews.

They only look unusual (ugly) because they aren't what we are used to. If they do perform better and the cost is reasonable, then I'd consider them
  • + 10
 And theeeeeere’s a sensible comment. Knew I’d find one eventually.
  • + 2
 BikeAhead have been making one piece carbon wheels for years and year now. They are awesome bits of bike porn and they work but don't really offer any advantage over spoked wheels. If these are anything like the BikeAhead Biturbos they'll be so stiff you can feel individual gravel chips riding round the car park.
  • + 2
 They're going to perform like wheels that are 250g heavier than aluminum wheels of the same width that cost half as much. How else would you think they'd perform, they're wheels.

For fook's sake, read that marketing mumbo-jumbo bullshit where the guy can't give a straight answer to save his life and realize this is just a big con."We have looked to the simplicity in mathematics and nature to produce this design, the prime number of 3 being the ultimate reduction of the chaos of a traditional " blah-blah-blah. Yeah two is a prime number too, so is five or seven (eleven even, heck I could go on for infinity. No, really.) This guy has nothing but bullshit, and a cheap-ass carbon wheel they're hoping to make a quick buck off of.

WTFU
  • + 2
 @TucsonDon: mostly agree except a 1600g carbon wheel doesn't flex like a mofo. The ally wheel will have more flex and less precision. Again., I think these wheels are a bit BS. But you can't deny the advantages of carbon rims. Even if they are the same weight as a set of alloyd
  • + 2
 @TheMrPlow: Agree, that I like carbon rims. I'd take a set of Roval Traverse Fattie SL's over these. With 30mm ID and only 1530g for $1500 (frequently about $1200 on sale) and great warranty support that you know is actually going to still be around in a few years, they're hard to beat. Otherwise I'd also go Nox. I have about 2500 miles on mine (Fattie SL 29) of rocky Grand Junction and Moab riding mostly, and they haven't even needed a truing.
  • + 18
 The spoked wheel is a relentlessly refined and elegant piece of mechanical design. Easily replaced components, and many elements to distribute stress. Cheap, easy to service, very strong for its weight. Carbon one piece wheels are not progress. Integrated components just make it a disposable wheel. I have a sad that some people want to sell this as a step forward. It’s not.
  • + 17
 Looks like wheels you see on those horrendous bikes you find at Toys R Us. One good thing about these wheels will be that I'll get a good laugh whenever I see someone riding on those. However I seriously doubt I'll ever see anyone put those wheels on their bike.
  • + 8
 I'm sure there's a dentist out there who'd be interested in a super unique wheelset like this.
  • - 46
flag zer0c00l44 (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:13) (Below Threshold)
 Bro fuck off with ur negetive nonsense. The wheels look cool and if they're strong and do the job good luck to them. U need to ride your bike more and stop looking at kids bikes in toys r us u fucking creep.
  • - 53
flag zer0c00l44 (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:15) (Below Threshold)
 @drenzoni: dentist hahahahahaha good one. Now. Where have I heard that shit before. Oh I know. EVERYf*ckINGWHERE!!!!

Give originality a try, you might like it.
  • + 10
 i mean really?? 24mm internal width ??
  • - 16
flag Rocky-Urban (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:18) (Below Threshold)
 @zer0c00l44: I was shopping for a bike for my 5 year old nephew you ignorant c*nt. I guess your bitterness is a result of being an occupied colony controlled by England. You may have your own ghastly sounding language, but you'll never have your independence. Rule Britannia!
  • - 22
flag zer0c00l44 (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:21) (Below Threshold)
 @Rocky-Urban: yeah that's what ur kind always say. Just browsing for my "nephew"
  • + 2
 Aerospoke.
  • - 21
flag Rocky-Urban (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:23) (Below Threshold)
 @zer0c00l44: And who is the little child in your profile pic? Another one of your victims? Should we be concerned with how that child is being treated?
  • - 18
flag zer0c00l44 (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:24) (Below Threshold)
 @Rocky-Urban: that's me when I was a child. Please don't download it to Ur hard drive of creepy wank files.
  • - 16
flag zer0c00l44 (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:28) (Below Threshold)
 @Rocky-Urban: oh hitting me where it hurts my ghastly sounding language and being ruled by England. I'm hurt. Spouting nonsense like that is an obvious sign of laying to much pipe t the under age. Aren't all Ur ancestors famous for rape and murder. U must feel so proud.
  • - 11
flag Rocky-Urban (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:29) (Below Threshold)
 @zer0c00l44: Something tells me that you wank to the pic of your younger self as you sing lullaby songs in welsh.
  • + 55
 popcorn
  • + 2
 This. The combination of the narrow width and the rotated spokes are both so dated. Its just so hard to make a tri-spoke design look good. Sportbikes make it work with wide deep wheels, but these just dont look as good for some reason.
  • + 1
 To complete the Toys R Us bike look one should frame this wheels in Orange.
  • - 18
flag MetalheadWolfRider (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:31) (Below Threshold)
 @Rocky-Urban: who the f*ck do you think you are to being insulting one's nation and language you f*cking c*nt.

Pb is plagued with idiots like you who criticize every single new product that tries to go to a different direction for f*cks sake. i wonder if someone pays dudes like you to talk shit about new products because you're f*cking everywhere
  • - 11
flag zer0c00l44 (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:31) (Below Threshold)
 @Rocky-Urban: fair play you got me. That's exactly what I do. Much better than going to toys r us and collecting wank bank material for later while shopping for my imaginary nephew. You must have a f*cking garage full of shit toys r us bikes by now.
  • - 9
flag Rocky-Urban (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:32) (Below Threshold)
 @jollyXroger: lol
  • - 13
flag zer0c00l44 (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:34) (Below Threshold)
 @MetalheadWolfRider: exactly dude I'm sick of coming on here and reading dickhead comments bagging on any thing and every thing. It needless.
  • - 18
flag Rocky-Urban (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:34) (Below Threshold)
 @zer0c00l44: Sorry, I just don't have respect for a defeated and occupied group of people. It probably explains why you're all so bitter and why the English have such a negative opinion about you people. Good luck.
  • - 14
flag Rocky-Urban (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:36) (Below Threshold)
 @MetalheadWolfRider: Freedom to express personal opinion. Are you one of those liberal idiots who believe in freedom of opinion as long as it doesn't go against your own opinion? Enough with the double standards. Grow some thick skin and stop being such a pussy.
  • - 11
flag zer0c00l44 (Dec 6, 2017 at 8:50) (Below Threshold)
 @Rocky-Urban: says the wanker from the very worst of all the Nordic countries. You girly looking boring back country bumpkin. Get a wash the fish smell is not attractive.
  • + 44
 Holy hell. This thread is gold! Thanks for the entertainment. This is why I internet. Wink
  • + 8
 Christ alive, you people suck...
  • - 18
flag zer0c00l44 (Dec 6, 2017 at 9:02) (Below Threshold)
 @Rocky-Urban: There's a good boy. Obey. A person from Sweden wouldn't have rolled over so easily. Or Finland for that matter. You f*cking little bitch. All the contempt you have for my country and u just got owned by Welsh person. Your rapist ancestors must be turning in their graves. Lol.
  • + 19
 merry xmas
  • - 5
flag Rocky-Urban (Dec 6, 2017 at 9:19) (Below Threshold)
 @zer0c00l44: @zer0c00l44: Welsh can never own anyone. It's the Welsh who are owned. A sad defeated people with no nation of their own. You struggle to hold on to the remains of your culture by still teaching children an irrelevant language. You live under the shadow of England, the taxes you pay, a portion goes to the same royal family that conquered you. Remember that every time you make a purchase, every time you pay your taxes. Know that you pay them because you have been defeated. Have a great day my good man! Wink
  • + 55
 @speedfreek: I move to revoke posting privileges from both of these Yahoo's...all in favor?
  • + 30
 Don't let this any of this distract you from the fact that if you or a loved one have been diagnosed with mesothelioma, you may be entitled to compensation.
  • - 10
flag zer0c00l44 (Dec 6, 2017 at 10:19) (Below Threshold)
 @Rocky-Urban: just keep casting my line and reeling u in don't I. Hahahahahahaha. That's my work done. I rest my case feeling fulfilled in the knowledge that I owned Ur little girly looking ass with out even breaking a sweat. Now I'm off to watch last year's taping of the queen's speech. I love that bitch she sure knows how to conquer.
  • - 10
flag zer0c00l44 (Dec 6, 2017 at 10:24) (Below Threshold)
 @Duderz7: yo, member for a whole year. f*cking do one.
  • - 7
flag Rocky-Urban (Dec 6, 2017 at 10:28) (Below Threshold)
 @zer0c00l44: Indeed she does! Thanks for the laughs. Smile I'll give you a call later. You still at 07557521738?
  • - 10
flag zer0c00l44 (Dec 6, 2017 at 10:31) (Below Threshold)
 @Rocky-Urban: yep thats me feel free you girly looking Norwegian c*nt.
  • + 10
 @Rocky-Urban - are you the mightiest Troll of Jotunheimen? Big Grin
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: Yes. I don't know why he says I look like a girl. I'd say I look more like a taco.
  • + 9
 Alright then. Our keyboards shall wait for us in the halls of Valhalla
  • + 17
 Gentlemen! This behaviour is most unbecoming of a pinkbike poster and seems to go against the grain of modern social engagement. Perhaps you gentlemen should get a room and play with your little spokes together?
  • - 2
 @Monkeyass: I agree. The boy from Wales attacks me because he didn't agree with my opinion. What has this world become where an opinion is posted, and immediately you are attacked. It's not the world I wish to live in.
  • + 14
 Thread of the year ????
  • + 5
 @Njm32: If it is, who get the award? I realize he started the mess, but I started the thread, so I think the award should go to me. I think that's fair.
WOW all this from an article about a 3 spoke wheel!!! CRAZY!! Talk about escalation!
  • + 4
 @Rocky-Urban: He clearly won the fight over who would get the taxi though. Special shitfaced-Welshman skills.
  • + 13
 @BenPea: during the course of this conversation Donald Trump has masturbated twice. He got excited after a painting of Prophet Mohammed in Pocahontas outfit has been hung in the oval office next to a portrait of Andrew Jackson.
  • + 10
 @WAKIdesigns: Trump doesn't masturbate, he has fantastic guys that do it for him.
  • + 5
 @BenPea: the best.
  • - 16
flag jaycubzz (Dec 6, 2017 at 12:24) (Below Threshold)
 everybody downvote me so i can be closer to my scandinavian ancestors
  • + 2
 Love this entertainment
  • + 3
 So glad I logged onto pinkbike today this comment section is gold!
  • + 1
 @Monkeyass:

Monkey, please keep your ass out of this.
  • + 1
 This is cool! Its like the internet ‘back in the day’ when presidents we’re orange and a man could make lurid comments to a woman and not fear getting mired across Twittube or wtf.
  • + 15
 Aerospace grade has been thrown around in cycling for 20 years or more. It means nothing. There is no "Aerospace, Military, Aircraft Grade" Engineers will spec certain types and grades of a material as their project demands. There are hundreds of different "grades" that can be used for aerospace depending on the requirements. Marketing people just like to throw those words in to make people think it must be some special material that is light years ahead of the competition.

Yes grades of aluminum used in aircraft may also be used in bicycle components but that does not mean they are superior grades. Seems like a cool idea for a wheel and I am interested to see how it works in the real world but as @vinay mentioned there is a lot of jargon thrown around from this company that is meaningless.
  • + 8
 Besides, even if it's the highest grade aerospace stuff, what is best for an aircraft might not be the best for a bike.
  • + 1
 If anything aerospace grade is behind technology given the hoops and regs they have to deal with
  • + 15
 Saw these wheels pop up on another site and my first thought was about all the dentist jokes that will be on Pinkbike by all the fucking muppet keyboard warriors who seem to think if you're successful and can afford expensive bikes you can't be as cool as them. Maybe if you spent more time studying you too could afford whatever the hell it is you want to spend your money on. For gods sake the dentist jokes a fuckin boring to the rest of us. No I'm not a dentist.
  • + 4
 Right on
  • + 17
 I won't trust them until they go through the rigorous Danny MacAskill test.
  • + 1
 Baas Aaah said the sheep.
  • + 13
 I won't try to be skeptical here (or throw the dentist card before someone else does), but I do have some questions and concerns.

About that aerospace technology, what does fluid dynamics have to do with this? Is this to simulate the resin flow during the production process or is this to reduce aerodynamic drag while riding. In this context (of the Enduro rider), how representative are these simulations when you also take into account the suspension movement, the turbulence caused by the knobby tires and the motion of the feet near those wheels?

Have you tried throwing a stick (in practice thrown up by the front wheel) into a spinning wheel? My perception is that with a regular 32-spoked spinning wheel the stick will most often bounce off whereas in this case the stick will have a fairer chance to be taken along until it locks up the wheel.

Of course the concept of radial spokes (curved or not) loaded under compression isn't new, not even for the first bicycles. Wooden wheels for carriages were loaded under compression. Granted these were actually preloaded and the steel strip on the outside of the rim kept it all together. But I think of this more as an evolution more than a revolution. Same goes for Apple and Tesla. It always gets a bit itchy when companies claim to be revolutionary.

That said, of course I wish them the best. The price seems to be on par with what these other reviewed carbon wheels seem to go for. And this this at least is being produced right here in Europe so I expect them to adhere to some stricter environmental regulations than what far east producers comply to. It is not for me no. But I'm not against this either.
  • + 10
 Didn't even think about the sticks/branches. Good lord, if these things catch on, the Fails of the Month videos are all going to involve branch-induced OTBs.
  • + 2
 This is exactly my thought. A stick being kicked up by your wheel, or a trailside branch, bounces off 32 spokes rotating quickly. But 3 spokes? Not sure I'd want to ride around on these.
  • + 1
 @gumbytex: rode tuffs for a long time in the 80s. never had any issues regarding a stick being stuck in wheel.
  • + 1
 Sticks/branches are a good point, to take it further, what happens when the inevitable OTB results in someone lying on their back watching their rear wheel fly towards their face... How likely is the wheel to break an arm if the hand doesn't grab a spoke/beam thing?
  • + 10
 "in two years time, we are aiming for people to look at spokes and consider them to be the odd-looking wheels."

Okay....now I know you're nuts. You likely won't even have real market penetration in the North American market in 2 years, let alone become the norm. I am willing to bet my collection of bikes I won't see one set of these on trail in the next two years even. But, I can appreciate the ambition, and applaud your dive to do something new.

Those rims must be awfully strong to be able to compensate for lack of spokes, especially in the middle?
  • + 10
 Some translation of the gibberish:

Q:Why 3 "spokes"?
A: Really it has10s of thousands of virtual spokes. And 3 is a prime number.

My analysis: But if you use only 1 "spoke" you get 3 times as many virtual spokes. (30s of thousands?) Alas, it is not a prime number so I guess that is problematic.
  • + 10
 I wonder if non divisibility is important for strength?
  • + 9
 @alexhyland: maybe they read "united we stand, divided we fall"?
  • + 3
 Honestly, to satisfy the Newton's third law thing, equal and opposite reaction, you'd think they'd go with 2 spokes (2 is also a prime number). With three spoke, it's like one side of the wheel hits a bump by a spoke and there are two other spokes reacting, neither of them opposite or equal. It's such a mumbo-jumbo bunch of bullshit. It just doesn't make sense at all. I think the Onion wrote this press release/interview.
  • + 12
 Yep spokes are obsolete, every time I look at any moto-x bike I always think, surely they could of fit carbon tri spokes to that
  • + 4
 Pw50 has been doing it for years
  • + 0
 With carbon ?? Daym, I though that was fools gold @blakemoss:
  • + 14
 kill it with fire.
  • + 9
 The video is great, and the marketing talk is alright. I get it, but what would really sell me is a raw video of someone just dropping these things to flat for a few minutes. That would say something about the product and it's strength and also the confidence the company has in their wheels.
  • + 24
 danny macaskill needs to get on these ASAP
  • + 4
 Yes, what is the stair-rating, or whatever we came up with?
  • + 7
 The whole, "we've replaced 36 adjustable spokes with 3 spokes" doesn't bode well for me. I'm not a, "carbon fibre" guy honestly, because I don't know what I'm getting. At the local shop I was comparing a carbon fibre propeller, directly to a wood one, exact same dimensions, and the carbon fibre was heavier. I just don't know what I'm getting when you say, "carbon fibre", it's just a buzz word to me.
  • + 4
 I somewhat understand where you're coming from, but carbon fiber is most certainly not a gimmick. There isn't a new high-performance airplane or supercar that doesn't use carbon fiber structurally.
  • + 3
 one thing you know about carbon fiber. You are getting something very over priced!
  • + 0
 @shredteds: Yeah, but do you know that from ribbon covered in plastic? I don't. It's a marketing buzz word until you weigh it, and test the structural integrity.
  • + 0
 @Kramz: Not sure what you mean here, but I most definitely understand the difference between carbon fiber and ribbon...
  • + 1
 @DH-Angel: How do you define "overpriced"? How much do you know about the actual process of carbon fabrication? Is it overpriced relative to the hand layup work involved in carbon fabrication, or is just overpriced because you can't afford to spend that much?
  • + 1
 But if you had taken a graduate level engineering course in designing with composites, you would know. It's not really a knock on the product. Look at tests of the various products from a source you trust. In the case of the propellers, you'd most likely get less flex, resulting in higher efficiency and quicker throttle response, as long as the product was well designed and not just bullshit to make a quick buck like the wheels above.
  • + 7
 This just may be the biggest load of horse sh*t I’ve see come out of a marketing representative in the bike industry in a decade at least.

And to boot, he thinks his company and their outdated technology is in the same league as the iPhone & Tela???? This guy has to have railed 2-3 lines of primo pure uncut Colombian nose candy. So yeah, may give him a call if I want to party til the sun comes up while comparing notes on our favorite Miami Vice episodes. But not for a set of bike wheels.
  • + 9
 "we’ve even been winning races in Europe on unbadged wheelsets"

Because without a badge they are super stealthy and could be mistaken for any other wheel...
  • + 1
 Best comment Big Grin
  • + 6
 What a bunch of marketing jumbo he spewed out. I've got a set of Roval carbon wheels, 29", 30mm IW, that only weigh 1600g and have been very reliable needing only an occasional spoke over 3 seasons. When they can match those specs I"m a buyer, because I do like the looks and non-maintenance possiblities.
  • + 8
 If I ever "look at [wheels with] spokes and consider them to be the odd-looking wheels," I might as well just head down to the bike shop and buy an e-bike.
  • + 8
 Pretty funny answer to how they chose three spokes. It's a prime number, what???
  • + 9
 Id do the fixie thing and only ride a front one
  • + 1
 That would be interesting
  • + 5
 Also "They are the optimal combination of strength and weight for an enduro wheel; that’s where we envisage them being used, and they will do an outstanding job out on the enduro bike, but we haven’t made a downhill or jump wheel."

Well, nowadays enduro bikes are used (damn have you seen the stages?) for downhill, freeride, enduro and jumping
  • + 5
 What about the hub and internals?! Doesn't matter if the carbon cracks or not if the hub guts strip out, leaving you stranded and freewheeling forward and reverse. Did they solve that the way some hub manufacturers like Onyx have?
  • + 6
 Why 3 spokes?....Cox responds with 2 Paragraphs of absurd marketing bull shit... instead of "better compliance"

5, 7, 11, etc... are also prime
  • + 4
 I feel one of the most telling parts of this "review" or first look is that there's no response from the company. Pinkbike often sees manufacturers and companies coming to the comment section to explain certain quirks or decisions with their product. Little weird how Spengle isn't here to answer anything about their new product.
  • + 5
 ok. we used to use these in the late 70s called Tuff wheels for jumping. I can't believe we have now come full circle but stronger, lighter and better. Can't wait until this company makes wheels for freeride: sold!
  • + 4
 Carbon fiber has a much higher tensile strength than compressive strength. At least 50% higher, but often times more due to stress concentrations at joints under compressive load. Why wheel companies still insist on using carbon fiber in compressive application I will never understand. Look at Mavic R-sys failures, and every other wheel that has tried to do a compression spoke instead of a traditional tension design. You can do it, but it will always be heavier, more expensive, and less damage tolerant than a carbon wheel using spokes in tension.
  • + 1
 I think that's likely why these "spokes" are curved - trying to keep a decent number of the fibers in tension.

Now, if they shaped the spokes using CFD rather than stress analysis I'd be a little worried about that neutral axis location, but that's a whole other can of worms...
  • + 3
 @shredteds: Bending them is actually worse. Now you have compressive bending stress superimposed on compressive axial stress. Based on the radius of curvature, I don't even think there's a fully tensile side of the beam. It's just lower compression.
  • + 5
 If the proof is in the pudding....can you tell everyone which exactly the MTB races in Europe, riders, and dates? Cause we in PB tune in on the regular and have not seen your product much.
  • + 3
 "chief engineer is a certifiable genius", makes me think professor Frink from the Simpsons.

It's good they are looking at a different approach, just unfortunate they have ended up with the same style as the bottom of the market corner shop cheap tat seen on £90 bikes from the late 80's.
  • + 6
 Stop trying to make three-spoke wheels happen. Stick to knives and chocolate.
  • + 3
 Watches mostly, you go in belgium for chocolates and in sweeden for knives, just a tip Smile
  • + 3
 @amirazemi: Hey, any excuse to travel! Smile
  • + 3
 I'm looking at selling off my Enves and just sticking with alloy. Yeah, they're bombproof, but the ride is pretty harsh. As I recall that was the big criticism of the older Spin/Spinergy wheels too. It'll be interesting to see if they can make these ride like something other than a wooden disc.
  • + 2
 My spinergys were scary. Every I landed slightly sideways it felt like the wheel had snapped in 2. Looked dope and we're crazy light though..
  • + 3
 How will you re-dish these when they come out with another stupid axle size and have to buy an adapter? Seriously though, 3 swept spokes is the most hideous joke of a design they could have come up with. 5 or 6 straight spokes, preferably Y'd to disperse loads at the rim would have been the way to go.
  • + 3
 Won’t the wheels either be unusably stiff or equally unusably inconsistent handling? How could that solid, spoke arrangement with sufficient forgiveness flex equally at all points? If you smash a root mid spoke won’t it flex more or less depending on the point of impact?
  • + 3
 Dude, 3 is a prime number.
  • + 4
 I find it difficult to jam large sticks into the spokes of my friend's wheels when we are riding adjacently on a double track. I'll be able to fit a much bigger stick now, so I think this is a good idea.
  • + 3
 I could flick pine cones through my buddy's wheels, scoring more points than just between them.
  • + 2
 **News flash** It still has spokes LoL 3 carbon ones, integrated to the rim. To be exact.

I recall the '80s BMX scene with the 1 piece nylon wheels, how is this revolutionary? Apart from being carbon. Marketing dept. always trying to sell something...
  • + 2
 LOL. Imagine the ability for sticks and debris to get caught up in there, and the inability of it to cope or be be trued on the trail... I've been riding some 24h wheels and already noticed how much easier it is for sticks to get in between spokes.
  • + 2
 Yep Don't think i've read as much Bullshit in an entire article since those (Also from Switzerland) vibration reducing stickers.

If you want to compare these wheels to an I-phone go ahead, that's probably actually quite a fitting analogy.
  • + 2
 In theory, function over form should prevail. Seems archaic to still be putting a wheel together with a hoop and a bunch of spokes when we can 3-d print stuff now, for example. Some of the concerns are hubs and brake disc mounting options, as well as the typical weight and cost debate. It would be awesome though to just simply change hubs when upgrading or when the new standards roll in instead of rebuilding the entire wheel.
  • + 2
 So, you user super hiper modeling techniques and ended with 24mm internal width rim?
Honestly, you will not be the iPhone in MTB world. MTB world does not need iPhones. You see, a bicycle is a very simple thing, much simpler than a plane or a car or even a motocycle. But you know what? MTB is a niche sport, because it requires some effort and pain. Thus even the number of dentists doing MTB and buying carbon everything is hopefully limited.
My advice - leave enduro and create e-bike specific wheels, this is much wider market since it is open for lazy people.
  • + 2
 wtf @mikelevy . spinergy wheels were never just a fad in the 90's, they were used on almost every pro road team inn the 90's. the only reason they were discontinued was because the UCI banned them because they were a safety hazard. apparently the wheels were like lawnmower blades when pedaling 40k/h, and a poor rabbit got decapitated.
  • + 2
 ok maybe not every pro team, but they were extremely popular in the non-mtb area of the sport in the 90's
  • + 3
 What? That sounds like a playground rumor lol. Spinergy was a safety hazard because they spontaneously failed on numerous occasions and caused quite a few gruesome injuries. Due to poor manufacturing & design choices they caused accidents on wheels that were high km everyday wheels, to low km strictly race wheels.

I'm glad that the mtb industry as a whole is seeing more variety and options for the consumer, but when I read this I couldn't help but feel like this was a wheel no one was asking for. Not to mention that it felt forced through the HEAVY use of marketing jargon.

The Spinergy company is still alive and they offer wheels for the various types of riding, and even wheelchairs. Instead of continuing the usage of carbon fiber spoked wheels, they have moved to the traditional multi-spoke design. If that doesn't say something then I don't know what does lol.
  • + 3
 @ChubzyWubzy: I’ll second that conclusion!
  • + 2
 @landscapeben: Third. Happened to a buddy of mine in a road race. He saw a spoke go flying up in the air, then another one, and another, and by then his face was hitting the pavement.
  • + 0
 @ChubzyWubzy: huh well f*ck screw the guys on the GCN utube channel. i watched a video about retro tech, they said some stuff about spinergy. f*ck it, like it matters anyway
  • + 2
 I have honestly been waiting for this since I switched from mag wheels and bmx bikes to spokes and MTB's. I am a shit mechanic and trueing wheels sucks ass, broken spokes sucks ass, loose spokes sucks ass, dishing a wheel sucks ass! This is so maintenance free!!! Just not sure what sucks less ass...dealing with spokes, or replacing an entire wheel when you crack it.
  • + 2
 "we don’t claim to be indestructible. They are the optimal combination of strength and weight for an enduro wheel; that’s where we envisage them being used, and they will do an outstanding job out on the enduro bike, but we haven’t made a downhill or jump wheel." But yet you have a picture of a guy doing a massive jump? Basically just covering for warranty restrictions cause bro, nobody really goes full DURO?
  • + 3
 In the fortress you will need more than men and swords. You will need the power of the glave. The glave is nothing but an ancient symbol. It doesn't really exist. It exists. Up there in a cave on the highest peak.
  • + 5
 Behold the pale horse of the bikepocalypse! Repent, and grab your rigid steel singlespeed before it's too late!
  • + 2
 "Instead of coping on an individual level, the carbon fibers act in unison as a pressure release system throughout the entire monocoque structure. But why three? Three allows us to produce a wheel that helps to cope with Newton’s third law (equal and opposite reaction etc. ). Effectively what we are saying is that when a spoked wheel interacts with the ground, it is passing that force straight back up to the rider, but by using the tri-blade monocoque we are spreading that force away from the rider, giving them a smoother, more comfortable ride."

Fairly sure that's a paradox. Multiple steel spokes absorb impacts vs a stiff rigid carbon wheel. Fairly sure its the latter that will be a harsher ride!
  • + 2
 "We are entirely made within the EU"

The EU countries are: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the UK
  • + 1
 You know the one thing about these wheels that could have a nice unintended consequence? One of the 2 benefits argued for Boost was that a wider hub improves spoke angles and symmetry (the 2nd benefit to boost being chainline). With a wheel like this, there's no apparent need to make a wider hub... Unless you need change the chainline. So if we all buy these, maybe there is no new hub standard ever...
  • + 3
 How can you try and sell a mountain bike wheel that has the warranty void if you jump it?! ....and then there's the photo of a guy jumping...
  • + 4
 Looks is a personal thing but I find them ugly. Plus beyond aesthetics, I don't see the benefit.
  • + 4
 thats dumb. what happens when the built in hub craps out or isnt loud enough for your taste.
  • + 3
 Flows on hopes/novatec/DT Swiss with decent spokes and nipples weigh about this much but cost about 1/3 as much, and are wider. Or light bike rims to save 200g. Nuff said.
  • + 4
 This would make an entertaining TED-talk, but no less absurd as transcribed here.
  • + 3
 Oh yeah, wheels for 1.5K that makes your bike look cheap! Big Grin Just like new fashion trousers with holes, costs a lot of cash just to make You look poor. It make sense!
  • + 2
 I wonder if the spokes are part of the air volume of the Tyre, like Porsche 959 or the lary astons back in the ‘90s ... and are they any better at rubbing up against rocks than steel spokes?
  • + 4
 Lifetime warranty = get new one at discount price ? Or is he talking only about "wrong usage".
  • + 1
 Someone forgot to add the *!
  • + 2
 First question i would have asked.
Are these wheels going to give me a forgiving ride tuned for comfort.
Or are these wheels so rigid that the ride is harsh?
Im guessing the latter.
  • + 2
 Maybe I missed it but I didn't see any info about the hubs in there. also these things are absolutely hideous and not even very light. I fail to see any benefit in this design other than stiffness.
  • + 1
 These look good to me. a wheel like this could be insanely stiff and uncomfortable and skittering through every turn, or they could be soft... I wonder how they're designed from this standpoint... they are potentially a lot more aerodynamic than normal wheels, so much faster in racing. This idea can for sure go someplace nice for a high end racing wheel. I would worry most about durability... Really the difference between enduro and dh a far as what the wheel needs to handle is not much different. But they seem to think differently on this...
  • + 0
 Marketing bot says - "We see ourselves in the same mold as a Tesla or an iPhone in this manner; in two years time, we are aiming for people to look at spokes and consider them to be the odd-looking wheels."

I hate you and your whole generation. Your love of computers doing all the thinking will ruin human kind.
  • + 2
 The Q & A was such garbage, topped it with "We see ourselves in the same mold as a Tesla or an iPhone" yupe, totally dude
  • + 3
 So they’re trail rated for nice soft loose dirt trails, no rocks, no hucks or nothing... just smooth trail?
Nah.
  • + 0
 Oh Great, another Carbon wheelset that No-one needs.
I've been Mnt. Biking for over 31yrs now.
(started on a Bigfoot in '86)
Long ago, I saw a pattern developing where I had to replace my Rr wheel, Every 2 yrs. 185lbs, aggressive rider (still), and my favorite trail has always been 3stage (rocks, roots and ROCKS).
Alloy wheels have come So far these last ten yrs ie:
I've been running the same set on my 14 Trance Ad1 for more than 3 yrs now. (Giant P-TRX1). They have close to 3000 miles on them, and have Never been trued.
AND they're lighter than these things! Yes, they're not 30mm wide, but hey, they're Stockers! And I'm still keeping up with the young bucks.
  • + 0
 Not against the one piece wheel thing at all if that's what you're into, keeping the spokes is kinda backward when you're plowing composite tech into the outer rim.

However, the aesthetics of these particular wheels sucks ass. 3 spokes? WTF is this, an early 90's cover of Max Power magazine?
  • + 2
 I grew up riding BMX in the 80s on neon coloured mag wheels. And I’ve been praying for their return. Make them in neon yellow, blue, red or green and I’ll have a set
  • + 1
 Ha, I remember those Nylon Tuff wheels which bent like crazy on impact after a jump. Smile
  • + 4
 Send a set of these wheels to the Hydraulic Press channel already
  • + 4
 Lost me at 24mm internal width
  • + 4
 how am I supposed to open a beer bottle with that?
  • + 3
 I see myself crashing, then the bike comes around, my arm goes between the spokes and there goes my arm.
  • + 1
 I like the fact that somebody tries something new and appreciate it. Perhaps it leads to better wheels in future. For now I stick to conventional designs and metal for most parts of my bike though.
  • + 0
 Roval made they're traverse fatty carbon front wheel 24 spoke instead of 28, being the damn wheel was tooooo stiff. Made for a teeth chattering ripper all day. Imagine how stiff the ride will be on this wheel..... More reasons the 80's versions got axed.
  • + 2
 I thought that these were already released over 20 years ago...or something like that. My friends 1990 mountain bike has them.
  • + 2
 OH MAN!!! These are so new! SO FRESH! SO CLEAN!!! Not like those lame old Spin wheels at ALL!!! Oh! FANTASTICO!!!!! At least they're expensive. Hard pass on these.
  • + 2
 "24mm internal width" - not the best choice in the world on 30 mm internal enduro rims. And I've seen Spengle before, about 20 years ago, where they should stay.
  • + 1
 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
  • + 3
 They should have gone 5 spoke, would have overcome the 90s look pretty easily and woulda looked badass
  • + 5
 Just NO
  • + 4
 Holding out for Skyway to bring back the Tuff Wheel II’s.
  • + 0
 The answers from COX shows he needs to go to back to both actual school and school of life. I don't even know where to start with all the places this is wrong from an engineering standpoint. They're a terrible product and a terrible idea, and you'll be laughed at if you run them.
  • + 1
 Those look pretty cool, but the major problem I see if the it looks like you can't change out hubs, so if one were to buy these, they'd better hope that there isn't another change in hub width a la boost
  • + 4
 Hmmm...no thanks
  • + 4
 Fuck no.
  • + 1
 You can benefit from this design only on road and track.Normal spokes are better for riding on terrain because of dampening,better grip and maintenance of course.
  • - 1
 3 spoke wheels look weird, They. Just. look. Bad.
These remind me of 3 lug nut Renaults from the 80's, or the ugly 3 spoke Mazda 4x4 alloy wheels.
Call me shallow, but I want my bike to look "good".
I can't describe what "good" looks like, but I know what "bad" looks like.
  • + 2
 Pacific Blue and Hans Rey soon to be rebooted too!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T0rlwnKWsA
  • + 1
 Spynergy lives forrrrrreeeeeeevvvvvver
  • + 3
 Top-notch comment section. Pat on the back to all.
  • + 1
 Toys r us looks and only 1490 euro bargain,thay look turd in comparison to a set of cross max ,ohh dear Spengler,venkman ain't gona be happy
  • + 1
 I like the idea, but if Skyway made 650b Tuff Wheels in a 30-35mm width, I'd likely buy those instead. Because Tuff Wheels. They'd probably be cheaper, too.
  • + 1
 If you guys can at least provide some numbers, graphs on your testing, max lateral and torsional forces on these wheels, PB users might be interested cause we like numbers!
  • + 1
 I have seen far too many carbon rims cracked and damaged. Chris King hubs on aluminium rims are where I am staying for the foreseeable future.
  • + 1
 We've started a thread over in the 27.5 forum, would love to try and collate some questions over there, and we will answer every one of them :-)
  • + 0
 reminds me of the 90ies

@spengle: do you think it is a good ideo to provide the address of some swiss letterbox companies and an austrian phone number on your imprint and contact page? ????
  • + 1
 I had to check twice if we have April 1st. Now I wonder that this brand is still around. Their carbon wheels were shit in 1994! Deja vu wheels?
  • + 2
 I don´t know how they´ve managed it, but it´s ugly and it doesn´t look like a Session, Star Trek stuff
  • + 3
 No Danny McAskill test, no lifetime/ no question warranty? No way!
  • + 4
 A' la 1980's fad wheels.
  • + 1
 Cool as shit!!!!!! Can't tell you how many of my boy's Enve spokes break and loosen up all the time and those I9 spokes are like soft butter. This is just bad ass!!
  • + 2
 I was just thinking about this the other day. Wouldn't they ride like, REALLY stiff?
  • + 0
 The reason wider rims are considered a "fad" is that not everyone has experienced the benefit of a larger contact patch. I choose to not ride anything smaller than 2.4, and will never buy another rim less than 35 mm wide.
  • + 2
 I'd like to know how the hub attaches. Is it threaded, press fit? Will they require a new standard?
  • + 2
 Stop effing saying 'Aerospace grade'. FFS. As soon as some marketing moron says that they've instantly lost me.
  • + 1
 So he effectively says it's both a twenty year old concept and brand new technology. So it is still a set of Spins...

*again with the jerk-off motion*
  • + 1
 Cool but not for me! Needs to be way wider than the 24mm offered and also be XD compatible. The design makes sense but will this design actually catch on, who knows?
  • + 1
 FRiggin Spinnergy hoops gone carbon. 22mm internal is pre-cambrian and idiotic. I expect load of fools to put them on a Cannondale to match the lefty.
  • + 2
 Can we put these shits in the freezer when they get out of true like the old BMX Mag wheels....
  • + 2
 Never wanted a carbon wheel - until now! Need to see some long term tests first though.
  • + 1
 No matter how hard you try, these types of wheels will never look cool or even good to me. Even worse with the $1,490 price tag. Sorry, but no.
  • + 3
 Someone had their memberberries this morning.
  • + 2
 I won't buy them unless I become a millionaire, but I'm happy to see a genuinely unique product.
  • + 1
 On road bikes this kind of wheel has been on the market for several years, and I rarely see it used by the pros, maybe some tt and track.
  • + 1
 Skip the marketing bollocks, we need to see Macaskill smoshing them down stone steps without tyres
  • + 1
 That would be a step in the right direction... one pair destroyed.
  • + 1
 We know sweet jumps void the warranty, but how do you feel about wheelies Spengle? Yay or nay?
  • + 1
 Is it April Fools Day already or did these nut jobs fall and bump their heads?
  • + 1
 Awesome.. except it’s 24mm internal width. Wtf? If they make it in 30 to 32, I’m in.
  • + 2
 A discounted replacement is not a lifetime warrantee. Fail.
  • + 1
 I like how the rider in the picture launching off something is covering his face in shame,,,,,
  • + 1
 I always mount my brake rotors with the "spokes" the other way, as recommended by the manufacturer.
  • + 2
 Does Spengle mean "Spin" in German?
  • + 1
 the motor industry ditched spoke or 'wire wheels' over 70 years ago. I'm interested to where this leads in the future.
  • + 1
 Is it April 1st somewhere in the world??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
  • + 1
 3 spokes looks horrible, give it 5 spokes to make it look more like a Skyway Tuff and it’ll probably do well.
  • + 1
 When you want matched your wheels with those on your child plastic push bike.
  • + 1
 Would love to see a review with riding impressions on those wheels. Not sure what to say just yet.
  • + 1
 These will look so much better than Spin's on wheelchairs

www.cewheelsinc.com/markets-served/medical-mobility
  • + 1
 Once again, this industry is all about Re-invention ... Spin, spinergy ... It's about time twentieth anniversary
  • + 1
 I dont have the money but i'd buy them. seemingly one less thing you have to worry about fixing
  • + 1
 "Our chief engineer is a certifiable genius", Certifiable being the operative word.
  • + 1
 Hi, I'm a dentist. Can I use these with my Chris king hubs and throw away my inferior enve rims and spokes?
  • + 1
 The good news is that I only have to work 2-3 weeks and sacrifice all other spending in order to afford these!
  • + 2
 I just came here for the comments and didn't get disappionted
  • + 2
 Aha...same here. I felt obligated to read the beginning of the article on my third visit to the comment section.
  • + 1
 I like industrial as much as the next guy, but for some reason the music is really off-putting.
  • + 2
 70's throwback plastic Huffy wheels. Sweet Wink
  • + 1
 I like the idea but I wouldn’t consider $1,756 US dollars affordable to the masses.
  • + 1
 I would prefer to revive the Tags FRX5 even they are heavy as hell... Beer

www.pinkbike.com/photo/4849979
  • + 2
 I kind of like the 90s retro look, but 24mm width is a little too retro.
  • + 1
 5 smaller straight blades would have looked more the business. Only Yeti can pull off the curvatures en fibre.
  • + 1
 The marketing BS is strong with this one. I lost count of how many "best in the worlds" they have.
  • + 2
 A bit too much hyperbole.
  • + 1
 Now I want my tires and chains carbon as well. Carbon brake fluid and carbon bearings.
  • + 1
 Buy some Vittorias then.
  • + 1
 Weren't the original spengle people or engineer those who created the Xentis brand ? I thought so.
  • + 2
 The Donner party wants their wagon wheels back.
  • + 2
 Think they should give them to Danny mac, To see how long they last
  • + 1
 I would buy them right now even if they were twice as expensive-no one said ever.
  • + 3
 Nope.
  • + 2
 I was wondering when these would come around again..
  • + 1
 Where is the video filmed? Looks like Derbyshire in the uk to me. Love the look of the wheels-hopefully they are tough
  • + 1
 It is indeed and some in Nottinghamshire
  • + 2
 I'll hold out for the solid aluminum wheelset from Pole
  • + 2
 Pretty sure nobody is going to do Rampage on those...
  • - 2
 All you negative Nancies. You know if that wheel said ENVE on it, you'd all flip your shit and line up to get them. Look, if they fit the bill (except they better move that width to 30mm because ya know, trends and stuff), they're light, easy to clean, maintence free, then who cares?
  • + 3
 I don't see any line for ENVE, we all know they got cracking issues! PB users are unforgiving bunch, but they back it up with proofs, science, engineering, politics, religion, and lots of experience.
  • + 1
 Its April 1st somewhere in the universe Smile
  • + 1
 Nope thanks. I don't trust triple spokes
youtu.be/_jJI_sbMoJg
  • + 1
 "We see ourselves in the same mold as a Tesla or an iPhone"

Suuure...
  • + 1
 Id buy them is they looked like a set of skyways!
  • + 1
 skkkkkrt Spinergy flashbacks
  • + 1
 Give them to Connor fearon , if they survive after one day I ll buy them
  • + 1
 just repost this article on April 1st and it will make way more sense
  • + 2
 Ugly!!
  • + 1
 I'm waiting to see if this 27.5 wheel size catches on...
  • + 1
 Does this influence the possible return of "Pacific Blue" to television?
  • + 2
 oh.....
  • + 2
 Spinergy
  • + 1
 Yup, the first Spinergys were so good they had to make more!
  • + 1
 Meant for enduro but has a 24mm inner rim width... wha?
  • + 2
 Yup. I'd take a pair.
  • + 1
 I want to see Danny MacAskill test these wheels...
  • + 1
 Is that price per wheel or as a pair?
  • + 1
 Team Robot strikes first..
  • + 1
 I hope these become popular like Aerospokes did among the fixie crowd.
  • + 2
 Skyway reborn
  • + 0
 People hate these wheels so much they had no time to bitch about that disgusting fender.
  • + 1
 Hey, that guy stole my bike and put some weird wheels on it!
  • + 1
 if they only could have resembled skyway Tuff II's, then maybe.
  • + 1
 looks like something you find on an old mongoose BMX
  • + 1
 someones gonna need to test this, anyone have a set for me?
  • + 1
 AEROSPOK circa 2004 finally available for your enduro fatty.
  • + 1
 One word to describe it: FUGLY
  • + 2
 Spengergy?
  • + 1
 No XD driver option ^^
Sucks definitely
  • + 1
 The 90's called. They want their Spin wheels back.
  • + 1
 Cool...... reminds me of the mags I had on my Mongoose in 1981
  • + 2
 1500?

I'm oot!
  • + 1
 Will buy a set when handlebar mustaches are back in fashion.
  • + 1
 neat, but PLEASE don't take inspiration from tesla or apple.
  • + 1
 Tesla & Apple are the best at what they do like it or not. Truly no comparison what so ever.

This guy is more Deloran, lots of big promises and lots of blow up the nose.
  • + 2
 @juansevo: I have no experience with Tesla other than help my neighbour across the street push his Tesla when it has come stuck in the sand. Damn these are dead heavy! But I do have an Apple MacBook Air for work and even though some some things are indeed nicer than what competitors make, it strikes me how they manage to do things wrong or even flat out dangerous when everyone else does it right. And I have to admit I have no experience with competitors laptops that are as expensive or modern.

The good:
- It is silent
- Touchpad works nicely, with gestures and all
- It stays in one piece nicely. Nothing has broken off yet, nothing came loose.

The bad:
- The desktop environment (far worse even than Windowmaker which I use, which actually happens to be similar to Nextstep which Steve Jobs used to build his interface upon). Most importantly it can't do anything without showing an animation.
- The hooks on the charger invite users to wrap the cable around, eventually destroying the cable.
- The thin cable on the charger is supported by an aluminium tube instead of flexible tapered plastic so the tube cuts into the cable.
- The wall plug (the one that mounts directly to the charger) doesn't have the cables cast into the unit so eventually when you pull the charger from the wall socket, you pull the poles out and have the cables dangling in between. This is pretty horrible and could cause house fires!

Especially since ever other manufacturer seems to make their chargers properly (just a simple velcro strap to keep the cables together) I think it is pretty horrible that Apple even dares to release a product that is so much worse and dangerous. I'm actually keeping this charger as an example for my students about poor design (concerning both user interaction and construction).
  • + 1
 I almost forgot about all those house fires my charger has caused over the last 15 years. What was I thinking?

*eyes roll*

You snortin’?
  • + 3
 @juansevo: You are correct. They are the best at over promising and under delivering. Also great at writing crap software and needing constant updates. But hey as long as it looks cool and feels great you fan boys will be happy.
  • + 2
 @juansevo: If you don't yet grasp the concept of risk you may want to look into that first before we can continue this conversation. In mathematical terms, risk is the product of likelyhood (chance) and consequence (severity). We're on a mountainbike website here so most likely we both take risks on our bikes. Because we think the reward (fun, acquired skill etc) is worth it. We're juggling that and probably try to optimize that balance. Faulty chargers have proven to be a pretty major cause of house fires in recent years. That's a pretty big risk. The consequences are high obviously so increasing the likelyhood with a sub par charger increases the risk tremendously. Then what is the reward? The only reward would have been for those Apple engineers that they can get away with bringing a dangerous product on the market. That's no reward for me.
  • + 1
 @juansevo: No, they aren't. They are the best at marketing and one is selling ideas and vaporware, the other is selling an electronic product that's on par with it's competition technically. You're buying an image first and foremost. Both are poor examples, as one is literally a tech company selling shit that doesn't even exist yet (feel free to put a $50k deposit on a car that doesn't actually exist). If you want to get technical on tesla I'm game.
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 @Sycip69er: yup. I was just referring to the phones. If we are to speak to the computers, well that's an easy target. But hey if being a 'designer' while sitting at starbucks while you work on the next 'big thing' or you're updating your tumblr blog is your idea of work, mac's are great (also great for a lot of design and editing software stuff)! Come back when they can compare to my CAD/CAM stations (running solidworks, solid edge, catia and fusion360) that cost 2/3 the price and run circles around anything apple has ever put out. PC's make the world go round. Mac's make it look pretty. Is that really who a bike hardware company should aspire to?

Again, wanting your brand to be like apple is like saying you care about your $$ first and foremost and your customers 2nd. Are the hubs designed to fall apart when the next design comes out? Can you replace a freehub like you can replace an iphone battery? see how its silly yet? And like Tesla it's even worse, do we have to pay a $500 deposit and wait 5 years too?

LMFAO.
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 I think wanting to be like apple or tesla is exactly the kind of thinking that is wrong with this industry. Be more like Toyota. Be like a brand that values it's customers and doesn't engineer planned obsolescence into it's products or allows a trunk to fill with water because you can't get a seal right.
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 NO.
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 Mountain bike Fashion is one hell of a Cyclical thing... haha.
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 Something different, let's all whine and complain!
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 Take me back to 2001
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 Oh I am so exighted - feeling so 90s
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 Spokes Suck [citation needed]
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 Anyone remember the TAG wheels???
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 More free thinking from the Pinkbike peanut gallery. Follow your herd sheeple!
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 Looks like a brand called xentis only difference is they got 4 spokes!
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 Fuck yeah pinkbike
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 be friends
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 What about sticks???
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 Nope, Just Nope.
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 kill me now
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 spengle is so 90´s!
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 spin wheels for sure
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 Simplicity is the best complexity. Spoked wheels are so antiquated... I'll get these, but wait for the 2nd generation.
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 Haha, so antiquated that they still get used even in the most high-end wheels.
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 Aliexpress trend, huh
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 Such salt wow

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