Specialized Partners with Tesla Co-Founder for a New Battery Recycling Solution

Mar 19, 2021
by Ed Spratt  
2020 Specialized Turbo SL

Specialized is looking to offer recycling for all of its e-bike batteries by the end of the year thanks to a partnership with one of Tesla's co-founders Jeffrey Straubel and his company Redwood Materials, The Verge reports.

Founded by Straubel in 2017, Redwood Materials previously focused on recycling electric car batteries and breaking down any waste materials from Tesla's own battery-making process.

Chris Yu, chief product officer at Specialized, told The Verge: "Generally, the bikes will long outlast the packs for the typical user, and so it’s always been in the back of our minds: what do we do about them?"

Specialized hopes that in the future it will recover any e-bike battery using its network of dealers and retail partners before shipping to Redwood's recycling facility in Northern Nevada. The first step of the recycling process is working out what inside the battery can be recycled, this includes connectors, wires and plastics. Next, a chemical process will begin removing elements like nickel, cobalt and copper. A percentage of these materials are put back into the process of making more batteries.

Currently, Redwood aims to complete the recycling process domestically in the US. Often electronic waste can end up being shipped to developing countries rather than companies dealing with it themselves. A two-year investigation by the Basel Action Network (BAN) in 2019 found that 352,474 metric tonnes of electronic waste was illegally shipped from the EU. Shipments from UK council recycling centers ended up in Nigeria, Tanzania and Pakistan.

Specialized plans to have a pathway for all batteries to the Redwood Materials recycling plant by the end of 2021. Chris Yu explained to The Verge that this could mean customers being made aware of the service through dealers or showing the expected end-of-life date of the better through the Specialized smartphone app. Specialized said it has been trialling the process and so far 100% of the batteries it collected have gone to Redwood. While Specialized is not unique in offering a recycling program it does seem like it is trying to offer a more complete solution.


188 Comments

  • 475 62
 An easy solution would be to remove the batteries from the bikes...????
  • 43 90
flag Allen82 (Mar 19, 2021 at 8:40) (Below Threshold)
 Where's the fun in that.
  • 152 7
 Pfft, an E-bike without a battery? Can't ever see such a ridiculous idea catching on. How would you go up hills? Or ride far?
  • 48 15
 How about adding gaz engines in bikes !?
  • 25 5
 @Allen82: You've clearly never ran a riding buddy into the ground by making them climb so much in the summer heat they puke. Loads of fun.
  • 21 66
flag ybsurf (Mar 19, 2021 at 9:03) (Below Threshold)
 @Joebohobo: or of you have a busy life with kids
  • 3 1
 @Allen82: A lot of fun for you, if you don't tell the rider about it, and they can't figure out why they can't braaap down the street at 30km/h with no effort.
  • 104 22
 @ybsurf: Kids as an excuse to not pedal uphill is a joke. We're all busy. With two kids, full time work and full time graduate student... I'm still out there earning it...

If you're on an e-bike, you generally want the fun without all the work and and that's okay.
  • 56 7
 @ybsurf: I have kids. I don’t ebike. I get more fit all the time as I want my kids to grow up seeing.
  • 5 1
 Was going to make a good on spec post but your comment really does point out the priority of the three waste reduction “R”s.
  • 5 26
flag skemp57 (Mar 19, 2021 at 9:29) (Below Threshold)
 @Savage-Banana has never ridden an E-Bike
  • 26 4
 Im one of them old school acoustic riders
  • 5 33
flag cragus-t (Mar 19, 2021 at 9:37) (Below Threshold)
 I bet you like black and white films too XD
  • 29 7
 @MrEmtb: “all the fun without the work and that’s okay,” I like it! Totally agree. We are, after all, just adults riding toys in the woods. There’s a time and place for suffering but also a time and place for good clean type 1 fun.
  • 5 0
 @skemp57: is that a compliment or an insult?
  • 24 19
 @MrEmtb: @cougar797: it was sarcasm(one of the reason ebike use to justify their lazyness) I wouldn't touch an ebike with a ten foot pole. I earn my turn as it should be. Fitness was one of the main reason I got into biking.
  • 6 2
 @MrEmtb: Hmm, weird. I wanted all the fun the times I've demo'd them. But then, my idea of fun is getting more miles in before I'm toast. I do the same on my regular rigs. You sure you didn't mean lift-served/shuttle assist?
  • 27 0
 @Kevindhansen: Well said. If someone wants to take pride in their climbing/fitness prowess, I support that. I do not support shaming people who are just trying to have fun. I dont ride e-bikes but I ride a lot of park and refuse to feel shame for taking a chairlift.
  • 2 1
 And your phone, laptop, ipod.....
  • 1 1
 @QuebecPoulin: Gas AND electric - full hybrid FTW!
  • 15 1
 Replace the battery and motor with hamsters and a wheel. No need to recycle at end of life, hamsters are biodegradable.
  • 22 24
 Bad news: you can go out and pedal an e-bike just as hard for just as long as a regular bike. You'll get the same workout but just cover a lot more ground.
  • 1 1
 @Chives09: you play the guitar?
  • 25 5
 @MrEmtb: lol.
I see kids (10 y/o) with their fathers both(!) on E-bikes.

Sad times
  • 6 11
flag cougar797 (Mar 19, 2021 at 12:24) (Below Threshold)
 @fullfacemike: Yah but you miss out on the challenge and skill building piece of carrying speed being more important and building power to crank up and over climbs/obstacles that the evoke can cheat through.
  • 3 4
 @fullfacemike: *ebike (not evoke) sorry. Apparently normal bikes don’t build extra typing skills Smile
  • 8 18
flag fullfacemike (Mar 19, 2021 at 13:20) (Below Threshold)
 @cougar797: If anything the e-bike gets you more capable of hitting technical sections at speed. I race XC and wasn't personally super interested in getting an e-bike until our rep explained that I could use a light e-bike like a Levo SL to spend a bunch of time practicing technique at race pace without getting absolutely wrecked. I'm not quite at the level to justify that but it's a solid premise.
  • 17 3
 @fullfacemike: Its the same idea as hitting the gym and doing 40 reps with 2lbs vs 5 reps with 40lbs, its not the same, you don't put down the same effort and build the same muscle, same arguement I see endlessly from ebike people. I know some people who get high heartrate from walking too.
  • 6 3
 @kingsoup: My argument is that you can practice your technique at a low level of output, which is advice weightlifters live and die by so...
  • 12 9
 @kingsoup: Umn, you do know that actual pros, both XC and DH, use Ebikes specifically for training, right? Allows them to dial in their training to exactly what they need at that time. Even better, you can now set them to keep you in a specific heart rate zone, basically like an indoor trainer ERG mode in the outdoors.

And what's your beef with simply having options? A Levo SL or Orbea Rise are almost the same weight as a typical enduro rig now. You can pedal them pretty easily without assist. Or, when you want to, for whatever reason, you can then call on the assist. How can that possibly be a bad thing?
  • 4 4
 @kingsoup: Oh, and as a fellow gym rat, gotta call you out on the reps vs weight myth. Basically, total myth. 40lb, 10 reps is virtually the same as 20lb, 20 reps. Just Google "weight vs reps", you'll find a ton. But here's one: www.muscleandfitness.com/muscle-fitness-hers/hers-workouts/ask-our-expert-heavy-weights-low-reps-or-light-weights-higher-reps
  • 12 3
 @Chuckolicious: nobody got to deadlifting 800 lbs by doing 8 reps of 100 lbs
  • 6 1
 @cougar797: Pre-pandemic, when we could have group rides, I used to ride my Levo on max power to the start of the group ride, then ride it with the power totally off for 95% of the group rides, and then turn the power back up to get me home more quickly. Sometimes I’d take my hardtail instead but I’d have to leave more time to get there and I’d get home later and with my own business and three small children time is rather short. I never seem to pedal less hard on the Levo when the power is on, I just go faster. It’s definitely more relaxing riding my hardtail, the Levo on turbo makes corners appear uphill and then you’re into another descent way more soon.
  • 2 2
 @Kevindhansen: Science is the science.
  • 3 0
 @Chives09: into the "folk" riding scene eh?
  • 10 4
 @Chuckolicious: No, they don't. They ride them on social media because they are required to by sponsors. Ask me how I know this.
  • 2 1
 @Kevindhansen: big facts! I wouldn't waste time with someone who quotes muscle and fitness. Fitness periodicals are total bs.
  • 3 2
 @Chuckolicious: read your article, it’s specific only to hypertrophy training. 8-10 reps is NOT heavy weight/low reps. 1s, 3s, and 5s are heavy weight/low rep.

The author of the article Bryan Haycock’s fitness program is HST (hypertrophic specific training). Science is science and again, no one pulls 800 lbs or snatches 200 kilos doing 8-10 rep range.
  • 4 0
 @OnTheRivet: Umn, that's just flat out wrong. Or a lie. Lemme know.
  • 2 0
 @RonSauce: Err... I did say it was just one of a large number of sources that said the same thing. So what about all the others? You Googled it like I instructed, right?
  • 2 0
 @Kevindhansen: Not my article, just one link of a large number that come up when you Google it. So what about all the others?
  • 3 1
 @Chuckolicious: 8-10 rep and 10-20 reps are BOTH hypertrophy training and NEITHER are low rep/high weight. If hypertrophy is your only goal then have at it. But you are incorrect if you think those will increase your 1 rep Max the same way a basic 5x5 or 5/3/1 program will.

A 21 rep squat program will absolutely increase leg size but it won’t have the same return on investment as a 5/3/1 on your 1 rep max. Different problems require different solutions.

There are actual peer reviewed articles on this kind of stuff, not just fitness articles written by someone trying to sell you on their program.
  • 3 0
 @Kevindhansen: Yep, there is, and here’s some right here: physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/jphysiol.2011.221200

If you want the simple take on it, here you go: www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/news/20120427/high-reps-with-low-weights-builds-muscle-too

But if you have similar credible science to show the opposite, lay it on me!
  • 1 0
 @Kevindhansen: f*ckin’ eh
  • 4 0
 @OnTheRivet: ask me how I know you’re full of shit.
  • 1 1
 If you cant flex or virtue signal enough . The righteous are here ^^^
  • 4 0
 @Chuckolicious: this is getting ridiculous, I have a feeling that arguing for the sake of arguing on Pinkbike is a hobby of yours. The second sentence of the abstract in your peer reviewed article states that the goal of hypertrophy. It found that time under tension lead to muscle growth (DUH).

It says nothing of high rep hypertrophy training vs low rep strength training.

A quick google search found this peer reviewed article looking at ACTUAL different rep ranges. 2-4s vs 8-10s. Found that low rep had a statistically greater increase in 1 rep Max squats and higher rep had a statistically greater muscle size in the moderate rep ranges (DUH).

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5131226

You will absolutely get stronger and bigger lifting weight at any rep range. You can’t get grow your muscle without getting stronger and you can’t get stronger without getting bigger muscle mass. But lifting heavy singles will lead to a higher ROI on strength gains and lifting higher rep will lead to a higher ROI on hypertrophy.

None of this is groundbreaking stuff. If you can’t see the difference between different training methodologies and their different outcomes than I am done with this back and forth. Continue to think whatever you want.
  • 1 1
 @Kevindhansen: Copy that. As you were.
  • 1 1
 @Kevindhansen: But lemme just leave this here before I’m out:

“ According to a 2018 review from Frontiers in Physiology, high reps and low reps appear to be equally effective for getting bigger[*].

The review compared lower-rep sets with over 60% of 1 rep max (1RM) to higher-rep sets 60% of 1RM taken to temporary muscular failure. And it found that increases in muscle size were similar for both methods.”
  • 3 0
 You guys are still going at it ?! Let it go mate and enjoy your bikes.
  • 1 0
 @Chuckolicious: look at studies with weights lifted above 85% of 1 RM.
  • 1 0
 @QuebecPoulin: good advice! Will do
  • 2 0
 @NotNamed: i see 10year old kids and their dads in huge pickups - even sadder times Smile
  • 1 0
 @greener1: the only way to roll
  • 2 0
 @fullfacemike: I have no problem with e-bikes, but I do have a problem with bad research. There’s no doubt that you get exercise with an e-bike, but the study people keep citing is a) very poorly done research, and b) the conclusion is not that the effort is equivalent.
  • 4 4
 @Hayek: I'll admit, you're right that you don't get the same workout. The truth is you often get a better workout on an e-bike, and by better I mean more beneficial to your overall health. You may build more strength or smugness on a regular bike but you can easily overtax your body in the process. For elite athletes this is a critical step but for literally everyone else it's a little overkill. As it turns out, having extended periods of elevated heart rate without actually redlining is extremely beneficial to your cardiovascular and overall health. No matter how you feel about e-bikes there is no denying that they do a great job of providing exactly that. If you must have sources I suppose I can look some up when I'm on a computer instead of my phone but know that I'll probably forget or stop caring between now and then...
  • 4 4
 @Hayek: Ah forgot one part in case you've never ridden an e-bike before. You can literally pedal them as hard as you want. You can go full sprint just like on a regular bike, crossed eyes and all. Same watts, same cadence, the only difference is you cover a shitload more ground really quickly. Imagine your workout had a segment of say 200 watts for 5 minutes. If you're on a busted Walmart bike you'll probably not get very far for your effort but you'll do it. On a aero road bike with all ceramic bearings you can hit the same numbers but go quite a bit further and faster. Extrapolate that a little and... Boom, e-bikes.
  • 1 0
 @QuebecPoulin: Still crapy conditions here, gotta fill the hole in my soul until the trails dry up. :-D
  • 1 1
 @Kevindhansen: Look, honestly, what I was pointing out is that for the vast majority of regular people, the reps vs weight thing is definitely a fallacy, I think you'd agree the science bears that out. Are there edge cases where a specific type of training garners specific results? Yea, I can totally see that. But for the average gym rat, just lift to failure, it's all the same. Maybe lighter/reps is better in case of injury or other disability too.
  • 1 1
 @Chuckolicious: stop talking about lifting weights until you start lifting...seriously.
  • 1 0
 @RonSauce: Been lifting since 2010. What a bizarre thing for you to say. Explain yourself.
  • 2 0
 @Chives09: nothing grinds my internal gearbox gears more than someone calling their normal bike an 'acoustic' bike.

This aint got nothing to do with sound - unless you are talking about the clunk from the EP8 motor...
  • 2 0
 @fullfacemike: I get it, e-bikes are great and the right call for a lot of people. I've spent a considerable amount of time on them in the trail planning process and know what the experience is like and the benefits they provide for the right person. My preference is for a non-motorized bike and that's what I find provides the optimal training for the XC racing I do, and the academic research on the topic tends to agree, though that doesn't mean that an e-bike can't also be good exercise.
  • 1 0
 @Hayek: That’s cool. Can you give a link to that research? I’d like to take a look.
  • 3 3
 @Hayek: If you have actually ridden and e-mtb and can't figure out that they are incredible helpfull for xc training, then you know squat about training.
  • 1 0
 @norona: If you "knew squat" about language you'd recognize that I didn't say that e-bikes aren't helpful for XC training. I said that for the kind of training I do (polarized training, which has been demonstrated in the physiology literature to be more effective at producing physiological adaptations than threshold training), a non-motorized bike with a power meter is optimal for me.
  • 1 0
 @RonSauce: do you even lift bro?
  • 2 0
 @Baoas: I only started saying it to grind the gears of a buddy of mine who rides both. Definitely nothing to do with the sound... I like a quiet bike
  • 1 0
 @won-sean-animal-chin: yeah, NASM certified too.
  • 1 0
 @cougar797: My goal as well.
  • 67 2
 Glad to see a big player stepping up like this now and not later when the issue becomes more than obvious.
  • 16 0
 I agree although I hope this is an obvious issue from the get go. Hopefully if Specialized (and any manufacturer making ebikes) makes recycling the batteries free and available to anyone there will be no excuse not to recycle them.
  • 14 0
 All manufacturers needs to be doing this and the sale of their bikes should include a fee on the front end to pay for it.
  • 4 0
 Bosch might be bigger than tesla!
  • 18 1
 It'll be important to follow through on this. Specialized is pretty good at making grand statements that make for great marketing, but it'll be real important to hold them accountable. Redwood being transparent is a start, but I think there's a decent chance that Specialized has all these shops bring the batteries back in, ships them back to HQ, and then decides recycling is too expensive and tosses them. No disrespect or shade being cast at Specialized on this, this stuff is really hard to figure out and manage, and even making an attempt is a bigger step than anything I've seen from any other company.

But a marketing statement to the effect of "It's really hard but we're looking into it" isn't really enough to convince me that it's going to be a success.

If they do, I'll be 100% on board with them as a company. I'm real concerned by the long term waste we're creating with all these batteries without any really solid way of recycling them already in place. Making the effort here is a big deal, and succeeding will be huge.

Props to them. I'm excited to see how it unfolds.
  • 4 0
 @William42: I totally hear you, a lot of times announcements can be at the time of intention rather than when an idea is fully baked. When people are passionate about something biting off more than they can chew is a human reaction in my opinion, it happens. But as an employee here I can assure you this is not the case, this project has been worked on for many many months and this is an announcement of action, this is happening.

I appreciate the perspective in your comment, I think it should be us who keeps the public up to date on the progress of an announcement of this kind, we'll do our best to inform you as this process evolves. Exciting times.
  • 8 0
 Don't forget the cost of shipping all those Class 9s, hazmat shipping is exponentially more expensive, and a lot of shippers require you to have a HAZMAT trained/certified person on staff to write the bill of lading. As someone who ships and receives a lot of Li-Ion batteries I can tell you that the cost is pretty significant. I'd assume most bike shops won't have a HAZMAT trained person on board, so you'd rely on the big S to send you waybills for the HAZMAT, putting the cost on big S for all the shipping costs.
But let's not all be party poopers, I hope this catches on. I dispose of probably 2-3 megawatts of good Li batteries every year, I use a recycler, but honestly have no idea where the batteries go after they leave. I know the Pb-Acid batteries are recycled, but there is a lot of Pb and not much else in a Pb-Acid. Li-Ion have almost nothing useful to recycle, there's a fair amount of aluminum, some iron, cobalt, nickel, carbon (this is all chemistry dependent) and some type of plastic typically in the separator and then electrolyte. The electrolyte is nasty stuff and typically very volatile, especially if aerosolized. I imagine the cost of reclaiming the aluminum is probably more than what its worth as a raw material, and the rest of the metals are very toxic and have to be hard to separate and are in such tiny quantities that I can't even fathom where the breakeven point is on the economy of scale.
When it comes to pouch cells, there is almost nothing worth recycling.
I know Nissan wants to reclaim the used Leaf batteries and repurpose them for static applications like uninterrupted power supply, grid stabilization, peak shedding, etc. which is a far better solution in my opinion. If you were to take a 30kWh Leaf battery that still has 15-20kWh of energy, you'd have a pretty serious storage bank that wouldn't take up much footprint and could be cycle-optimized to operate for years with minimal further degradation.
  • 2 0
 @slippynicky: it is... almost triple the sales., in terms of technology i dont know, that Musk guy is pretty smart.
  • 1 0
 @BikesBoatsNJeeps: Curious here, You're in the business, so fill me in. When my shop sends back a battery pack, they have to send it some special way, not just ground? What about when I send in my own pack? I've honestly never heard of this before.
  • 2 0
 @Narro2: They hold more patents than any other automotive player, you could even combine dozens of others and wouldn't get to 70.000 that they currently have. Tho I don't argue that Musk is clever, he is without doubt, but Bosch is an old giant in an ultra competitive enviroment and they must be inventive to survive.
  • 2 0
 Well, it's great for ESG rating Wink
  • 2 0
 @vid1998: yep, dont disagree with that.

The only thing that big giant companies will always have against them is Red Tape, which new modern companies dont, making them more flexible to invent new things from scratch.
  • 1 0
 @Chuckolicious: no, just ground, but you have to be able to certify what you're sending, chemistry, and know how to ship it. There really isn't a big burden to get HAZMAT certified, but it has some cost and you have to know the rules since you take on some liability as the shipping originator.
  • 1 0
 @BikesBoatsNJeeps: Interesting. So is there a threshold where this becomes required? Or technically do I need that in order to send in a faulty Niterider?
  • 2 0
 @Chuckolicious: there is a kWh (of which I can't recall, I'm not HAZMAT certified personally, I just interact with our shipping dept.) threshold, but oddly I recently returned a phone and recieved a UN lable for my package, plus there was a separate form from the manufacturer for the Li battery and they only had a couple of drop off locations. If you take it to the post office, they'll ask about batteries and it could become troublesome since they *may* want a SDS from the manufacturer. UPS has different rules, as does FEDEX. If you can discharge the light to the point of the red light coming on, they available energy in the battery will be minimal, otherwise I would contact Niterider and ask them for an RMA and a shipping lable. Even if you have to pay for it, their commercial shipping rate is probably less than 25% of what you'd pay.
  • 1 0
 @BikesBoatsNJeeps: not to mention how horrible FedEx is at actually shipping dangerous goods without an issue.
actual bane of my existence as someone who also works s&r at a local specialized shop. i could write three paragraphs complaining about the snafus i have had with this exact issue. long story short, FedEx sucks and will even threaten to destroy the battery if there is an issue, which i believe is criminal in and of itself, which i remind them of every time they do it.
  • 1 0
 @Chuckolicious: good luck with that. literally the worst part of my job currently.
  • 1 0
 Next up, what to do with carbon frames headed for the trash?
  • 43 0
 But when will Evo Levo's be mining bitcoin as you pedal?
  • 38 0
 Obviously it won't be bitcoin. It'll be S-Works Coin, and if you spend any of it, Specialized will sue you.
  • 6 8
 BTC is for old people. Doge.
  • 6 0
 @Chuckolicious:HAHAHAHA yeah I'd say a 0.0584 value non-tradable joke crypto fits perfectly in the 18-25 year old still living with mom and dad demographic.

Litecoin to the moon!!!!
  • 3 0
 @ratedgg13: it’ll be for those ridiculous Sagan coins that they were hawking to roadies last year
  • 32 0
 They should probably implement a core charge, like lead-acid car batteries, so they actually get the batteries back instead of having them go to a landfill.
  • 15 1
 Your environmental protection laws are so incredibly backwards (or non-existent)...
A battery going into a landfill? What year is it? 1960?
  • 15 3
 @BenTheSwabian: I toss my batteries in the burn pile out back.
  • 9 0
 @BenTheSwabian: The agencies and politicians are totally backwards and don't think things through. Just for example. Without warning (only one month), California (Jan 2021) just decided banned all landfills from accepting pressure-treated lumber because of the environmental issues. However, did not provide any solution for the contractors to dump PT lumber except for one landfill in the middle of nowhere that is about 3-5 hour drive from LA and SF metropolitan areas. So, all California contractors and anybody with PT lumber waste have to dump it at one landfill.

Contractors (Fencing, Framing, etc) who use a lot of PT lumber have to store it somewhere until they can find a place to accept it, but it is not possible for many because they have literally thousands of pounds of PT lumber waste every week and visit the landfills every day. Many contractors can literally go out of business or many will resort to illegal dumping, shredding it, or burning it because they can't store it. Totally ridiculous how they created a complete mess of problems when they could have planned it out and had solutions first before banning it.
  • 5 1
 @sriracha: I throw mine in the river.
  • 1 0
 @tacklingdummy: I'm not saying it's a good solution but it has definitely highlighted the fact that there's apparently a shitload of pressure treated lumber waste. Maybe contractors will be incentivised to reduce materials waste all around?
  • 6 0
 @fullfacemike: Contractors are very keen to not waste lumber and use every usable piece because of cost. Not many options to reduce waste because of engineering and building codes where PT is used the most. Fencing, framing, and decking contractors have a ton of PT waste and can't reduce because they are taking down old fences, old decks, etc. The only way to reduce would be if there are alternative products that can be used, but not a lot of options.

I get it. PT lumber has chemicals, but PT lumber can last much, much longer than regular lumber, so that reduces a lot of waste in itself. However, if you ban PT lumber, it will lead to having to use perhaps double amount of lumber in the long run. That is way more cutting of trees. Still the authorities and politicians need to think things through before banning things. They need to work out the problem rather than creating problems.
  • 1 0
 @tacklingdummy: Does this mean it was a bad idea for me to make my raised beds from pt lumber?
  • 22 0
 Glad to see the report discloses how much of this stuff goes onto a trash pile and not recycled at all. E-waste recycling is a notoriously shady business, with companies sending raw materials overseas to developing nations that lack the infrastructure for safe processing. Also, glad to see Specialized try to find a responsible way to lead in this area. Lets see the others catch up. And no, that doesnt mean you raise your prices!!
  • 7 0
 so....raise prices?
  • 13 0
 This is how you "recycle" so people keep consuming, knowing how green it makes them feel:

1. Make a pile here
2. Ship that pile somewhere else, make a bigger pile
3. Send that bigger pile to Nigeria/Tanzania/Pakistan

Done!
  • 37 16
 Buy a bike without a battery. Problem solved!
  • 13 11
 Yes! This!
  • 1 8
flag DoubleCrownAddict (Mar 21, 2021 at 6:46) (Below Threshold)
 Your simplistic, one brain cell logic never fails in not impressing me.
  • 4 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: like I said before, since you accuse everyone of being a nazi anyways, I’ll be a grammar nazi here:

You should avoid double negatives, and instead should have written, “your simplistic, one brain cell logic never impresses me”. Using improper grammar when trying to insult someone’s intelligence is beautifully ironic though. Thanks for the laugh.
  • 22 5
 It's so easy to hate e-bikes when they look derpy and are bad for the environment.... don't take that away from me.
  • 8 2
 Isn't it curious that people don't find the same hate for gas and diesel vehicles when it literally requires filling them with carcinogens so that they can burn them and then cause millions of premature deaths and other similar worldwide problems?
  • 6 5
 @A-HIGHLY-EDUCATED-PROFESSIONAL: yeah except for the lithium mining and creation of said batteries takes at least 20-25 years of driving to break even with gas/diesel vehicles. The electricity also needed to recharge your vehicle most likely comes from coal/gas plants too. You all think you’re environmentally friendly however that can’t be any farther from the truth.
  • 7 3
 @monkeybizz: Total lie. I mean seriously, ridiculous. The embodied energy it takes to build and EV is paid back in about two years, even with electricity from the oldest coal plant. Multiple life cycle analysis available now. So that’s why I’m call you a liar, not just misinformed.
  • 17 2
 Maybe they should have thought about this from the beginning? For such a formattable company to put so little thought into where these batteries are going when their life cycle is done is embarrassing.
  • 6 20
flag texag (Mar 19, 2021 at 9:43) (Below Threshold)
 I bet you're fun at parties...
  • 12 0
 @MrEmtb When I read "the bikes will long outlast the packs for the typical user, and so it’s always been in the back of our minds: what do we do about them?", I thought: shouldn't this be at the front of their minds?
  • 9 0
 absolutely love that you joined pinkbike and made 'MrEmtb' your username ????
  • 5 0
 @mackay66: he's a brave, brave man
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 Western World problems.... mine Lithium from 3rd world countries, pretend you're saving the planet whilst f*cking over said 3rd world countries. Out of sight out of mind right? Bikes can be rode without motors... do your part ride manual pedal power bikes and stop feeding the crude lithium addiction.
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 LOL. The amount of lithium being used for Ebikes is infinitesimal compared to cell phones and basically every other piece of consumer electronics. Further, much of the lithium is obtained from brine pools. And it's virtually 100% recycled when the batteries do go to recycling. Now, how about all them carbon fiber bits on your bike? Hmmmm?
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 @Chuckolicious: ah so because we use batteries in things like phones and laptops it's perfectly OK to use them in bicycles right... you know because they are totally necessary. After all pedaling yourself around just isn't possible anymore.
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 Right up there with strip mining for aluminum...
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flag Imabigboy82 (Mar 19, 2021 at 12:03) (Below Threshold)
 @DHhack: agreed but mining to build a bike is very different to mining to put a battery in a bike imo.
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 @Imabigboy82: LOL,
Not letting you skirt that carbon fiber point. So what say you, hmmm?
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 @Chuckolicious: totally agreed on the CF, however it's a bike without a motor or a battery that I will keep for 10 years. I do hope you're not riding a CF ebike dude lol
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 @Imabigboy82: So then your argument should be against CF since Aluminum can do basically the same job, and it represents a massively bigger environmental issue than some batteries going to recycling. But it's not, so methinks you simply have an emotional issue against ebikes regardless of how good they get at repurposing/recycling the batteries, and you couldn't actually care less about the trees. Am I getting warm here?

And yep, if I have my way, I'll add an S-Works Levo SL to my quiver. And I'll ride it for a good 8-10 years.
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 @Chuckolicious: Most lithium comes from mines and the lesser grade comes from brine pools. Both are very toxic processes, and could have bad environmental consequences, like getting into underground water supplies. Less then 5% of lithium batteries actually get recycled. The demand for lithium over the next 5 years will be 5-10 fold of the demand today. This means the cost of lithium type batteries will go up in cost, hence making the ebike too expensive to purchase so hopefully they go away in the future, problem solved.
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 @Esmond: Not saying it doesn't have its problems. But your last statement is literally 100% wrong. The greater demand will make the economic case for companies like Redwood inarguable since the lithium in these batteries is virtually 100% recoverable. And again, I point out that the demand for lithium needed for Ebikes is literally infinitesimal compared to the demand for consumer electronics. Most of which are just as vapid and silly and unnecessary for our survival. If you can prevent yourself from being just one thing in life, make that a hypocrite.
  • 5 2
 So what if i replaced 99% of car usage with an Ebike?

Some people are funny - driving a V8 pickup to shuttle the bikes or to reach the bikepark but complaining about those riding an Ebike for some reason.


Analog biker vs. E-biker
Roadie vs. MTB
Gravel vs. Roadie
Hardtail vs. Full Sus.

Oh dear, some never get tired and have to boost their ego by pretending „i‘m better then you are!“

Chill dude, chill!
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 @Chuckolicious: let’s all assume the stupid assumption of “we’re using less e bikes than cell phones and laptops so that gives me a free pass to continue to f*ck over the environment because we’re not doing it *that* much
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 @monkeybizz: Oh man, are you ok? That was a real blurt of nonsense right there, is why I ask.
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 @Chuckolicious: you make me chuckle Smile
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 @monkeybizz: Glad for that! But seriously, man, stop with the outright lies about EVs. I mean, what do you gain from that? Even if you have stock in some old car company or oil company, there's no stopping the paradigm shift now, so lying to delay and obstruct will get you nothing except maybe ridicule. What good is that? Electric cars are sick! I grew up with muscle cars, have a special place in my heart, but their time is over, as it should be. Happy to just see the Last of the V8s in a museum or on a track somewhere, than blundering down my streets. And if you're into rock crawling, the minutely controllable instant torque of electric is unmatched. Mod a Rivian just a little and you have an unstoppable rig.
  • 2 1
 @Esmond: Perspective is always lost when it comes to the e bike haters.
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 @danielson-01: LOL, how right you are! I'd say Tribalism is the real pandemic of our times. Seems a lot of people will pick a tribe over the most unimportant and inane shit, then be raving lunatics about it. I guess I'm lucky, just not wired that way. When I have what I think is a reasonable internal narrative on a subject, only to have reasonable facts upend it, I'm actually happy! It means I now have the info to stop being wrong. But these people who pick tribes over nonsense will take every opportunity to virtue signal to their tribe by saying and doing the most idiotic shit. How they can look at themselves in the mirror, I just dunno. :-/
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 About that motorized bicycle filter....
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 Exactly, why am I even seeing a story on these motor bikes and their e-waste. They're a nuisance and a scourge on the environment.
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 @Lotusoperandi: Woah, are you really that delicate, or did you forget the /s? I mean, living in Truckee, being able to do Mt Hough whenever you like, that'd make me super zen. Funny thing, two summers ago shuttling up Hough, we passed a couple on the then new Canondale Ebikes doing it themselves. Everybody in the van, including driver, were like: dang, that looks way more fun than being crammed in this hot box burning gallons of fuel.
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 @Chuckolicious: yea I live in Quincy and I’ve beaten many people pedaling up hough on ebikes whilst riding a pedal bike
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 @drem861: That's cool. But you'd agree that pedaling up on an Ebike is way better for the environment, fellow bikers, basically everyone, instead of vanning it, right?
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 @drem861: well that is really what it's all about.
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 @ssteve: If you don't turn everyday activities into an excuse to feel superior to others, are you even really alive? I think not.
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 @Chuckolicious: Maybe just using what you already have instead of buying a totally new thing is better for the environment. I feel pretty confident that using a real bike one already has to ride both up and down is better for the environment than buying a new thing with a battery and a motor.
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 @texag: Oh yea, totally! I'm on a 2017 and don't plan to upgrade until there's a real leap in something. And like I said above, I will hopefully get a Levo SL and then keep that too for at least 8 years. Honestly, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and false environmental outrage of some of the E Haters here. Clearly they couldn't give a crap about the environment, they need to find something, anything, to virtue signal about.
  • 13 8
 now can they partner with someone to teach the Freds that buy them how to not ride like dickheads? that would be great.
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 Right after we school the droves of dickheads already on regular bikes.
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 If people would only finally understand what „live and let live“ really means.

No one has to judge someone else for riding an ebike! What do you tell all the MXers? Are they also all lazy and stupid?
What about DHers using the lifts in the bike parks?

Why ever riding a car? Isn‘t this because of laziness as well? You could walk after all, no matter how long it takes, earn it!

What about those who love to bike but do have some health conditions or killed their knee joints with analog biking or such.


Guys, just stop the hate and let people choose for themselves what‘s best for them - period!
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 The environmentalist stance on ebikes is still, on the balance of all the evidence, that they should be kicked into the sea
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 But take the batteries out first and recycle them before they go into sea please. Smile
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 New Battery Recycling Solution is certainly a positive step regardless
of the other issues or what your view may be on E bikes.

E-bike suspected cause of huge Australia house fire

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56457294
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 I have been in the industrial battery business for 20 years and the worlds number one recycled product is the lead acid battery, because everything in it can be reused (steel case, plastic, lead and even acid). The problem with lithium ion is that nobody has a real solution yet. Lithium disposal has been a problem for a great number of years, and is just being stock piled. It’s really too bad Frown
  • 2 0
 Good, while that should have been addressed at the outset of ebikes its good that they are addressing it and not brushing it under the rug.
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 we must be getting to the point where the first e-bike batteries are going to need to be replaced. not to worry only a grand or two for a new one, just put it down to 'maintenance costs'.
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 It's definitely going to be interesting to see what happens to a 3 or 4 year old ebike. With an analog bike it's easy to sell off an older bike to a newer rider or someone with a smaller bike budget. I just don't see a 3-4 year old ebike being desirable for someone not wanting to spend a lot of money. If the budget is there, they will just buy a new ebike. Time will tell, just hoping they don't get treated like a Costco TV. I also anticipate that as technology improves, ebike motors and batteries of today will become obsolete, shortening the ebike lifespan that much more???
  • 4 0
 Reading this on my Tesla screen.
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 Fact is: simply by definition bicycles with an engine doesn't exist, because a bicycle is exclusively powered by the person on top of it. That is simple and true, no room to discuss!
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 Good to see!
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 Hazardous good shipping is expensive and you need to be authorized. Seems like an issue for them if they want dealers to be able to do this.
  • 3 0
 Will they send a bike in space?
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 I’m seeing more and more of these motor bikes on my local trails and I get annoyed when they’re riding up or we’re both on a relatively level surface and the rider doesn’t yield. Whatever I get it but I still have no interest in an ebike.
  • 2 1
 This is great news! I've been looking for a place to recycle the battery packs we have in our warranty dept. I hope they can get this up and running soon!
  • 3 1
 Or you could just drop the batteries in the recycle box at Home Depot or Office Max. Too simple?
  • 2 1
 More of marketing than anything else?
AS the consumer will pay the costs, will that mean 15k bikes?
ONLY a few months to wait to find out?
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 My initial thought when I first skimmed through the title was "Yes, they're teaming up with Tesla to produce a new battery that's gonna be lighter and lasting 10x longer!" - that was dashed when I read further only to realize this is for recycling. Yay! Frown

Isn't it always the case of selling you stuff and then finding ways to get rid of the waste somewhere far away where the shits don't fly back into your face? Why didn't people think of these things ahead of time - oh wait - the direction of money only goes one way! Wink
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 Great idea! Way to lead, Specialized.
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 Ebikes are just another example of today's society and attitude
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 Today's society and attitude are just another example of today's society and attitude.
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 "We have all these smart people making cool shit and life is short so let's enjoy it?" Sounds pretty rad to me.
  • 5 2
 @fullfacemike: EZ button. Journey not the destination.
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 @mm732: Why do you care if someone else thinks easy is fun? I know literally two people who get paid to ride bikes and everyone else is just doing it for their own enjoyment, whatever that may look like to them.
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 @fullfacemike: i care when they blow the corner and swing wide into my side of the trail. i care alot.
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 @mm732: I've been run into and off of trails by people on regular bikes oodles of times so... That doesn't hold water. It's not the bike nor the e-bike's fault if its rider is a tool. What you should be advocating FOR is trail etiquette education rather than AGAINST things that are new and different and honestly a shitload of fun.
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 @fullfacemike: it does hold water because they don't have that 650+ watts allowing them to carry real speed UPHILL and into the wide line.

i advocate against because there is a clear correlation between a lack of the former when a motor is present.
not to mention, chihuahuas may be more aggressive than pitbulls, but pitbulls still have the capability to and actually do cause more damage.
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 we may hate e-bikes and all, but im happy to see a major manufacture taking sustainability and environmental protection seriously.
  • 1 0
 Nice move from Spesh as they're the one selling the bikes, on the other hand, where is the responsibility of battery makers?
  • 1 0
 Specialized piece of shit ceo trying to actually help instead of tearing apart other brands, bike shops over stupid crap
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 2 twat companies going into business together...
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 Recycling batteries, nice marketing! $$$$
  • 3 2
 lawsuits pending final approval
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 Finally, i was waiting for this. Now i know how to spend my 20 thousand.
  • 2 0
 3 words--Can cell ara.
  • 1 0
 Luigi vroom vroom boonen
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 Spesh should be able to recycle them themselves due to the fact most of them end back with them because they are all faulty.
  • 3 0
 Faulty batteries? Where you getting that? Motor belt issue was a thing a while back, but batteries?
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