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Specialized Releases Levo SL HT - An eMTB Hardtail for Kids

Jun 13, 2023
by Mike Kazimer  
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Specialized has added a new pint-sized electric hardtail to their lineup that uses the same SL 1.2 motor found in the recently launched full-sized, full-suspension Levo SL. The motor provides 50 Nm of torque and is powered by a 320 Wh battery. Considering the lighter weight of the riders this bike is aimed at, they'll be ready for snacks and a nap well before the battery needs to be charged.

The idea is that the very lucky rider (especially so considering the $3,800 price tag) who receives a Levo SL HT will be better equipped to keep up with their parents or other older, stronger, riding companions on longer rides.
Levo SL HT 24 Details

• Aluminum frame
• 100mm fork
• 24" wheels
• Specialized SL 1.2 motor; 50 Nm torque, 320 W power
• 320 Wh battery
• Weight: 36.6 lb (16.6 kg)
• MSRP: $3,800 USD
specialized.com

I don't have kids of my own, but I've spent enough time riding with my niece and nephew to know that the struggle is real – even just getting to the top of a small hill can end up feeling like an epic endeavor, especially when the tears start flowing and no amount of candy bribery can stop the meltdown. The Levo SL HT doesn't come with a no-tears guarantee, but I imagine it'll help reduce the likelihood of a trailside tantrum.

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And yes, I'm sure that the mere existence of this bike will cause some outrage. “Kids these days have it too easy. Why, back in my day our bikes had cantilever brakes, tubes in the tires, and we rode uphill both ways. In the snow...” Keep in mind that Specialized isn't the first company to offer a kids eMTB – Commencal, Woom, and Scott, among others have had one in their lineups for years.

Personally, I'm really curious to see the progression of riders that have access to an e-bike at a young age. Do they end up totally shunning non-motorized bikes, or does it become another option, a way to mix things up when they're not on a regular bike? Is it a gateway to dirt biking? Or do they just end up forgetting about mountain biking altogether in favor of TikTok dances or whatever the latest teen craze is?


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Getting back to the bike, there's only one size, which has a 365mm reach, a 66-degree head angle with a 100mm fork, and 420mm chainstays. According to Specialized, the low standover height should allow the bike to accommodate riders between 48” - 60” tall (122 -152 cm), or approximately 6-years-old and up.

The parts kit consists of a RockShox Reba fork, SRAM Level T brakes, and an 11-speed NX drivetrain. 24” alloy rims are mounted up with 2.35” wide Specialized Ground Control tires, and there's an 80mm Trans-X dropper post. The frame is available in three colors – Gloss Blaze, Gloss Oak Green, or Satin Black.

In conjunction with the launch of the Levo SL HT, Specialized is also donating hundreds of kids bikes and helmets to various local organizations. They issued the following statement:

"Specialized believes that kids hold the power to create our future and are dedicated to improving the lives of youth through cycling. With the introduction of their first ever electric mountain bike for kids, their focus was to not only expand the horizons of mountain biking, but to support greater access to the love of riding for all kids. To do so, Specialized is donating over 500 kids bikes and helmets to local organizations so that youth can harness the cognitive, socio-emotional, and physical well-being benefits of cycling."



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313 Comments
  • 461 28
 People who think this is a bike for kids are a bit misguided... This is a bike for parents. No kid this age is going for trail rides alone, so if this means parents can actually go for a ride without having to drag their kid up the hill then everyone wins. Yeah the kid may turn out a bit whacky after growing up in e-bikes but everyone ruins their kids one way or another.
  • 61 10
 The view point most won't see. Well said.
  • 23 4
 I agree, this is for parents. Using the TowWhee to get my son up the hills to where the trails are is exhausting. Still not buying though.
  • 189 68
 Side note... that's true. It's a super selfish way of getting your kids into riding. "I want to ride with my kid, but I don't want to teach them life skills, hard work, work ethic, resilience etc... all that stuff just ruins my ride".
  • 78 58
 This is a bike for those parents for whom the only thing they are raising in their kids is a sense of entitlement. For many it will come back to bite them, hard
  • 13 7
 Yeah-a kid with 300 watts is the solution to park who can’t just go for a mellow ride once or twice a week.
  • 81 8
 Does everybody really win though? I’m all for e-bikes but I feel like this would be doing my kid an injustice. He’ll never want to ride a non-motorized bike after this. Feels like a dangerous drug to me.
  • 26 23
 I don’t think this would ruin kids… people said the same thing about gears then full suspension. If it gets them out of the house more it’s hard to see how it could be bad.

@islandforlife

Same could be said for bike parks, but it’s not because the value in having them is undeniable. This will eventually be the same.
  • 57 6
 Dear parents,
You want tranquility at home: give your kids a screen.
You want tranquility on trails: give your kids an e-bike.
...
  • 18 8
 @islandforlife: does taking a kid to a bike park also ruin them?
  • 13 4
 @husstler: uh yeah it's exhausting. I love it. I can actually get a hard workout in while doing dad life with young kids being able to participate with me.
  • 34 6
 If you need an ebike to get your kids up the hill then choose a smaller hill. Awesome thing about getting stronger and fitter over time is gradually getting access to new tracks and more of the forest.

This is the non ebike version of two kid tow
www.pinkbike.com/photo/10665139
  • 23 12
 @gnarlysipes: I have two boys, and I want them to get their butts outside and enjoy Colorado. This would be a gateway drug to biking more and getting on a human-powered bike. I must be an easy dad though I let them ride the chairlift to go skiing.
  • 70 3
 If you ride with someone less capable than you one way or another, you adapt to that level. I may not have ridden that much with little kids but we've often had people new to mountainbiking. The worst thing you can do is give them the feeling that they're holding you back, that they are a burden. There are so many dimensions to riding mountainbikes, just ride slower and play more. Or "jib" as they now call it. You'll still have a great time. And if you have a fun section where you do want to go fast, just tell, have your kicks then come back to coach them. And this is how everyone is going to have a good time. Because again, they don't want to feel as if they're a burden, they want to see you have fun too. Nothing as inspiring as clearly having fun. And indeed finding (and occasionally failing) at your own challenges.

When I'm riding with one of my daughters, I don't make that my main ride. I go and have my own ride, then come back and take them for a ride. Giving your kid pedal assist seems like a (very expensive) fix for yourself not being able (or willing) to adapt to your company. Watch Andrew Shandroo ride with is son in the (pre-Anthill) Seasons movie or watch Matt Hunter ride with his son in one of his Little Hunter videos. Those both are amazing riders, capable of amazing things most of us will never come close to. But what they can also do is adapt to their company and spread the stoke. Don't reach for tech-fixes to compensate for their perceived inadequacies but just have fun with what they can do. Don't just see it from your own perspective, knowing what we're already capable of. Because learning to ride dirt is fun every step of the way so it doesn't hurt for a kid to just actually appreciate all those little steps. If your pedal assist already drops you off at 25km/h, you don't discover that you're actually getting stronger or that you've learned to extract speed from the terrain through pumping.

TL;DR: In line with the OP, this is for the parents. Unwilling to adapt to their company and robbing these kids from the chance to experience and appreciate their own progress.
  • 33 2
 I can offer up another view point,
I rode dirt bikes from the time I was 7 years old.
First bike was a Honda 50, still have it actually, got it brand new in 1982, I think it was $800ish.

This seems no different to me really, gets people of all ages, shapes and sizes outside, having a blast

I was a little outraged at first, then had a conversation with myself about what my life looked like.
  • 16 0
 @gnarlysipes: I got a dirt bike when I was 7, had them for my whole life, didnt stop me from BMX, and MTB racing and riding. I still ride all of them
  • 7 1
 I can see both sides.
Does an ebike make a child potentially more "lazy' - probably.
Does it provide a solution to getting kids out on longer rides - definitely.
I think the later could lead to more enjoyment, and is a big factor to those parents who struggle to fit in personal rides in top of riding with kids. Not everyone lives next to trails and everyone has different life commitments!
I think the best of both worlds would be a bike with a removable motor - that way you can sell the benefits of both worlds, and they see the negatives too. Yes that emtb goes further, but it is also heavier and has more challenging handling (a kid is not going to cope with that weight as easily as an adult). The mtb requires more effort, but is livelier handling and better for jumps, wheelies, etc.
  • 15 1
 @slimboyjim: I think where we might disagree is the bit where you state that longer rides could lead to more enjoyment. But I also know I disagree with lots of things so I'm ok with not coming to an agreement. My experience with kids isn't necessarily that they don't like getting tired, it is just that they don't want to push through if there is no fun. And it seems these days that lots of trails are being built so that they can be ridden faster, which means that there is little fun when you don't go fast. Family friendly flow trails may appear safe, but they're boring as shit if you don't have speed. Tight narrow sections through the woods with roots and sharp corners, slippery parts, short ups and downs... Well below 20km/h it already feels fast. Plus of course, crashes have smaller consequences. Laps can be short so that if you mess up a section you know you can try another few times and actually enjoy the experience that you are indeed getting better. Plus of course, when you do want to call it a day then you can stop within a couple of minutes so it doesn't stay uncomfortable for too long. Epic rides, with a motor or not, can be tedious for a kid simply because they live in the moment and can't understand how long they have to keep going and whether it would even be fun. Or well, maybe there are kids out there who appreciate sitting on the car backseat without an idea of how long the drive will take (as long as they're not physically getting tired) but I don't know these from my experience.

TL;DR: Kids like to play. They don't mind getting tired but if the main challenge is endurance and there are no other challenge they can improve upon within that single ride (like discovering they're improving on a section of trail) then you're on the wrong trail. You don't need to put your kid on a faster bike. Instead, put them on a trail where the speed they can achieve already feels fast.
  • 2 0
 One of the better comments ever.
  • 3 0
 @vinay: Good points. I'll clarify that my lad (9) is on the cusp of blue and red trails. The former he will lap all day but he's looking for increased difficulty now. He loves the reds (which are fairly tame round here - ha ha!) but what kills him are the long uphills that come with them. I've tried looping sections but, again, the ride up isn't fun to him (or most really). My 'longer rides' was considering assistance on those hills so that he doesn't tire so quick, because he pushes and pushes himself that his energy just crashes suddenly, and that's where accidents happen. His fitness will improve, but we don't live near trails and he does so many other sports (Plus I have work and family commitments) that mean that the improvement is relatively slow - we're only getting out once or twice a month really. He wouldn't need assistance on the flat or downhills as he's not confident enough to be really attacking them yet...
It is like an ebike arguments really - if you use the assistance to ride twice as far you may get a similar workout, but if you are using the assistance to do the same loop as you used to do without assistance you're not very sensible... I'd be trying the former with my lad, if an ebike was vaguely affordable (which it's not!) and I thought it worthwhile...
  • 3 2
 100%, Same reason I got my wife an e-bike. It's way more enjoyable biking with less experienced people when they are able to keep up on an e-bike.
  • 2 0
 @husstler: This exactly!
  • 13 22
flag Mtbdialed (Jun 13, 2023 at 14:27) (Below Threshold)
 yeah, I get it, but........fuck this shit anyways! growing up is supposed to be about struggle, hardship, going without, learning to work hard, being honest, etc. this does nothing but the opposite for all those qualities you should be teaching kids. So at the end of the day, the parents are SELFISH PIECES OF SHIT THAT DESTROYED THEIR CHILDREN FOR THEIR OWN SHORT TERM GAIN. no complaining when these entitled little fucks start wanting reparations and their student loans paid for by other people.
  • 14 4
 @Mtbdialed: Why is growing up supposed to be about hardship, or going without?
What kind of crazy non-sense are you talking about.

Its no different than having a dirt bike growing up, how common were those when we were kids?
I grew up in the country, kids of immigrant parents, that moved to Canada when they were in their mid-twenties. They worked their asses off, and taught us to do the same, but they still provided for us, we didnt go without.

I had a dirt bike from the time I was 7, so did most of my friends, we still grew up to ride and race BMX and mountain bikes.

Maybe give yourself a minute to calm down, and actually think about what things were like when you were young.
This is just a more capable PowerWheels toy, that will hold value, and get sold or past down for ages.
  • 7 28
flag Mtbdialed (Jun 13, 2023 at 14:49) (Below Threshold)
 @onawalk: 1: because it is. Kids that have everything handed to them end up like Hunter Biden.

2: this just encourages kids to put in no physical effort, and not appreciate what it actually means to ride a bike. Same thing when you see these dumb dads pulling their kids up a hill with a rope. The message there is, "don't worry, someone will always do your hard work for you!". lame AF

3. Yeah, I had a dirt bike as a kid too. I earned it by splitting and stacking firewood for 2 entire summers. Bit of a difference in your analogy, brother.
  • 2 0
 @philrossnz: I regret that I have only one prop to give you.
  • 21 4
 @Mtbdialed:
1. thats pure nonsense, and you know it.
2. In no way does it do that, you buy shoes for your kids right? you dont have them walk around in bare feet cause itll make them stronger right?
3. Its exactly the same thing, You didnt earn all the money yourself, and pay for all the gas and pay for all the maintenance, you had help, just like everyone else did.
I'm not sure why some people get off on trying their damndest to try and prove they did it all themselves. you simply didnt, and you know very well you didnt. You didnt pay rent as an 8 year old, you had food and shelter, and......you get it.

4. Whos to say the kids that get these didnt split wood all summer as well? Youre just so busy puffing up your chest thinking others have it so easy, and things are so tough for you.
You'll be ok muffin, i promise, we all think youre super tough, dont sweat it
  • 1 1
 @tuboy95: waitwhat, you say you are not riding a full rigid 26" ss with canti brakes, 620mm wide bars and toe clips? Blasphemy!
  • 1 0
 @husstler: amd buying them coats for cold days. People just wont get it dont they.
  • 7 16
flag Mtbdialed (Jun 13, 2023 at 15:55) (Below Threshold)
 @onawalk: shoes=ebike. laughing. my. f*cking. ass. off.


you are not a serious person
  • 1 1
 @Mtbdialed:

"2: this just encourages kids to put in no physical effort, and not appreciate what it actually means to ride a bike. Same thing when you see these dumb dads pulling their kids up a hill with a rope. The message there is, "don't worry, someone will always do your hard work for you!". lame AF"

Your talking about every kid that lives within 20 miles of a bike park. Seriously? Because I think a few of them turned out to be quite good at this biking thing . . . .ROTFL
  • 4 8
flag Mtbdialed (Jun 13, 2023 at 16:23) (Below Threshold)
 @noplacelikeloam: but also, mysteeeeeriously....not good people. See Also: Amuary
  • 2 3
 @Mtbdialed: you used just as ridiculous comparisons in your comments, I’m just trying to highlight that for you.
It’s interesting you can pick it out in someone else’s comments, but not your own.
  • 1 0
 Yup
  • 2 0
 @islandforlife: that’s what lift access days are for too Wink Used free ride bikes are way cheaper than silly e-bikes. I make my kid climb in the shoulder seasons but doing so in mid summer heat here is a recipe for hating riding when he grows up. To Big White and Silverstar come summer.
  • 3 0
 Everyone needs to buy something and then buy something new.
  • 2 4
 @onawalk: Which comparison, which comment?
  • 1 0
 @tuboy95: Which the manufacturer is selling $s wins
  • 2 0
 @onawalk: The difference (in my eyes) is a dirt bike can’t go on many/most of the trails that we ride our bikes on. Totally different experience than an eMTB that, in some areas, is treated as a first class citizen with regular bikes. Don’t get me wrong, I think it can work, but I think it’ll backfire for a lot of people.

All that said, I’m all for getting more people out on bikes. If it’s a pedal-assist electric bike, that’s a huge win over sitting on your butt playing video games.
  • 16 3
 Kids rides chairlift in park: “yeah this Grom shreds, woohoo!”

Kid rides e-bike to top: “what a sorry sack, his parents really ruined him, hope he survives not knowing how to be self sufficient”

Can someone let me know how bike parks are cool/tough/gnarly and e-bikes are for whimpy/spoiled/weak people??
  • 1 7
flag Mtbdialed (Jun 13, 2023 at 20:46) (Below Threshold)
 @hogfish: I also wouldn't take a kid to an uplift park.

I fail to see any hipocrisy.
  • 7 2
 For very egoistic parents, that is, who don’t care about their kids and would never consider spending their valuable time riding at their kids’ speed.
  • 2 1
 @gnarlysipes: in a generation eBikes will be so prevalent that is likely that they will never need to ride a manual bike anyway.
  • 4 1
 @rojo-1: And in two or three generations, when autopilots are available, it will be like an amusement park ride, just hop on, and the bike will take you up and down the mountain…
  • 4 0
 @onawalk: Absolutely. I also had a 2 stroke dirt bike when I was 5, and guess what? Many years later, it was that dirt bike experience that helped me get into mountain bikes.
  • 2 1
 @FuzzyL: Haha. Maybe, but the way I see it is that sports are only getting more fun.
Sure I had fun slogging up and down bridleways on a rigid bike, but now the equipment is better and the bikes are purpose built.
We live in truly great times and they are getting better!
  • 4 1
 @rojo-1: I'll pedal til I can't anymore and die among the roots and rocks. Let the scavengers pick my bones clean.
  • 4 1
 The internet ruins kids, not e-bikes.
  • 6 0
 @Mtbdialed: do you have a kid?
  • 3 0
 @husstler: look at it the other way around, get the kid to tow you!
  • 2 0
 @heatedcheese "but everyone ruins their kids one way or another." lol
  • 8 0
 I think some perspective is required. Kids going on e-bike rides with their families is hardly the worst thing that is going on in the world right now.
  • 6 0
 @rojo-1: any kid on a bike is better than on a screen. A preferred way by overbearing parents is suffering obviously
  • 2 0
 This went a bit off the rails at the end but made me chuckle.
  • 3 2
 @islandforlife: so your kids use wood skis still eh? So they can learn how to really make a turn....while all the other lazy, zero life skills,no work ethic kids crank turns...hmmm ya your either not a parent or a shitty one
  • 1 0
 @philrossnz: can't say they are riding or producing an effort with this setup though. They ll surely want more...
  • 2 0
 @vinay: obtuse perspective. All about you and your experience. Some kids want to ride, some kids don’t. I could see this helping parents with kids who really aren’t interested in riding for whatever reason. That said it’s really expensive for a kid. Perhaps some people just aren’t in to riding for the same reasons as you? Not everyone wants to grind up climbs super slow and sweaty. Many people just want to cover ground and see nature or get tot the DH(the fun part). Judge them all you want on the internet….
  • 2 1
 I just think its wholly unnecessary.
  • 1 0
 @gnarlysipes: the industry probably sees the writing on the wall. A lot of kids are getting ebikes now. Unless they get into racing, I don’t see future mtbikers choosing regular bikes when their childhoods were spent on ebikes.
  • 2 0
 @FlorentVN: and now, 9 years later they pedal themselves to the top of the hill. They are happy to take a shuttle when on offer, but fully accept that grinding up a hill is part of the game. There are some amazing parts of our bike park/forest that they haven't ridden yet, but in a year or so when they are stronger and have more bike skills they will be stoked to hit those trails up.
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: same here but in 1972
Maybe in a few years I’ll go ebike, for now I still like to pedal
  • 4 1
 @Dabbo: me too, I dont own an e-bike, dont really see the need. Rented one on a trip to try it out, was more like dirt biking than mountain biking on the way up. I didnt like the weight on the way down, i didnt find it enjoyable for descending
  • 1 4
 @RHSGuy: if I do or don't, does that somehow invalidate/validate my opinion as a matter of course?

if so, you are making the same argument, that is a logical falllacy FYI, of people that say only women can have an opinion on abortion.

it's lazy, rudimentary, and downright dumb.
  • 1 0
 @rickybobby19: you hit the nail on the head. Until your 10 yo can rip your legs off on the hard climb you used to tow them up. Now he heckles all adults he passes while they are breathing out their eyeballs. Also heckles ebikes. Don't know where he got that from lol.
  • 1 0
 @Mtbdialed: opinion versus opinion that has some basis of experience. One has more usefulness than the other.

You can have an opinion on anything my friend.
  • 1 0
 @RHSGuy: would the opinion of a pediatric behavioral psychologist that never had kids, be more valid than one that did?
  • 2 0
 Great point! But I still don't want to spend $4k on a kids bike
  • 2 0
 @willygreen: so dont, its just that easy.
I know this is hard to believe, but you dont even need to tell everyone that you dont want to spend $4k, you just dont have to it, friggin wild eh...
  • 97 31
 What the actual f*ck is this? E-hardtail for kids has to be the jump the shark moment!
  • 63 25
 Yeah, this is dumb. I hope it fails.
  • 18 1
 @lowkeyokeydokey: unfortunately it won’t fail, Walmart has this for $398, they’ll be bought up. I like the concept of kids being able to keep up on longer rides, it really is tough for their little bodies. But mine will learn the same way I did and earn their turns.
  • 10 0
 This will sell like hot cakes … look at how many e-balance bikes there are out there. I’ve found most kids/people will chose throttle over pedal power when given an option.
  • 2 1
 these are already pretty common in Europe
  • 4 2
 It's jumping the shark... In space
  • 8 4
 I want my kids pedaling their A$$ off not relying on motor assist.
  • 20 4
 Im just here for the tough guy meltdown
  • 8 2
 You guys never had a dirt bike growing up, or a buddy with one?
I had one at 7, and still have em.
My dad and I rode and raced together all over Ontario and Quebec. It likely spawned my love for BMX and MTB, all of which I still do today.
I think we can all be a bit quick to judge, this is a great way to get people out doing things, and we should all be stoked about that.
  • 5 4
 @onawalk: I had a dirt bike, too.
However, I never mistook that for cycling - with ebikes people still make that mistake.
  • 3 1
 @FuzzyL: no they don’t,
  • 2 2
 @FuzzyL: EXACTLY.
  • 60 7
 In my mind I have this beautiful Christmas morning scenario where a stoked-out-of-his-mind kid starts unwrapping a gift that's clearly a bike, and as the wrapping paper comes off, he sees the electronics and the bloated downtube and slowly recognizes that it's an eBike, and the smile goes away and the excitement fades, and a slow and stark realization comes across the child's mind, and he looks up and locks eyes with his dad and says deadpan, "Is this what you think of me?"
  • 31 6
 And the fat slow dad with a stained tank top who's dirty ebike sits in the corner, cracks a big greasy smile... and says between bikes of his breakfast donuts... "and now you ride just like me!" Kids runs crying to his room.
  • 8 13
flag BermJunky (Jun 13, 2023 at 9:47) (Below Threshold)
 @islandforlife: you sound ridiculous.
  • 5 0
 Pushing my kids every day to be this child!!
  • 5 2
 @islandforlife: lol this whole scene played out in my head. Thank you gents Smile
  • 58 6
 I see the point behind this, but I still died a little inside.
  • 11 13
 In 10 years acoustic bikes will be as popular as single speeds are now ... consumerism wins, really sad.
  • 23 13
 @brentkratz: why is this sad? I took my SS race bike out this weekend for climbing intervals. My middle daughter said she wanted to go with me. No way she could on her normal trail bike, so she hoped on her mom's kenevo and chased me up the mountain a few times. She was outside, with me, on a bike when she wouldn't have been. That is hardly sad.
  • 7 3
 Yeah, this makes me a little bit sad.
  • 3 2
 @brentkratz: E-hickles of all flavors can all suck it.No one will force me onto one. I only have about 15 years of riding left, however.Disgusting computers on wheels.
  • 2 1
 @numbnuts1977: it's sad cuz your kid will grow up a little wacky
  • 2 1
 @valrock: Cleary you are not a parent. Sad the my daughter road an ebike up hill climbs with me while I trained? Was it sad when Rocky's coach road behind him in a car when he ran the streets of philly lol.
  • 87 37
 Peak BS consumerism. No child needs an ebike.
  • 76 42
 They don't need Power Wheels either - just imagine how many electric Barbie Jeeps have been sold over the years.
  • 27 6
 @mikekazimer: Yeah but they don't grow up and buy human powered cars.
  • 37 7
 @mikekazimer: Barbie Jeeps don't cost $3800
  • 9 2
 @mikekazimer: As a parent I can say they outgrow those toys.
  • 23 16
 @mikekazimer: awful comparison. Power wheels are toy versions of cars, and cars suck and are the epitome of enabling selfish laziness, obesity, heart disease, and environmental destruction. Bikes are fitness and happiness machines that make things better on humans and the environment.
  • 10 2
 @mikekazimer: All i can see is how many of those are currently sitting in a landfill
  • 11 0
 @Tmackstab: are you saying the Flintstones wasn't a documentary??!
  • 14 5
 I would rather my kid ebike than play video games all day
  • 5 0
 @Mac1987: I was actually trying to come up with a Flintstones joke but exceeded my 5 second rule of coming up with a comment.
  • 9 2
 Now let's make a list of all the things a child "doesn't need"
  • 17 4
 @slickwilly1: I would rather my kid ride a regular bike and also not play video games all day. As a proper parent, that is NOT a difficult thing to make happen.
  • 6 7
 @islandforlife: I would rather my kid ride a regular bike, an ebike, and also not play video games all day (but he does have a VR headset). As a proper parent that is NOT a difficult thing to make happen. Not to mention a variety of outdoor activities that range in cardiovascular difficulty, such as surfing, waterpolo, track and field, snowboarding, etc.

Some like to put things in boxes and join the outrage culture. Some like to participate in a variety of activities modern life offers, across various digital and analog technologies.
  • 5 0
 @mikekazimer: That's because they don't offer pedal-powered ones that are actually-efficient. And the last time I checked, those are a couple hundred dollars. Not almost as much as my bike.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: What? I can't live with my electric Barbie Jeep. I don't have pedal assist, but I use these for shuttling to the top of gnar. Only minor downside I'm seeing is that if I hang my fork over the tailgate, the front wheel drags the fireroad. I'm in the process of converting it into a monstertruck by installing these oh so fashionable 29" wheels. This should lift the rear by just enough.
  • 9 18
flag hobbnobs (Jun 13, 2023 at 11:23) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: you come across as such a tool whenever I see you in the comments.
  • 10 4
 @hobbnobs: Oh. Comparing the two of you here in this comment section, I come to a different conclusion.
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 @slickwilly1: that's more of a false dilemma than it isn't.
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 @mikekazimer: How many power wheels collisions with trees have sent kids to the ER? I'm guessing that the number of childhood ER visits will increase in direct proportion to the number of kids' ebikes sold. #badideajeans
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 @frizzmatt: Ok, I just looked these Barbie Jeeps up and I'm shocked. I don't have stats but I'm sure a few lives were lost there. The roll bar is way too low so when the car tips over their necks carry the weight of the car and cargo. The steering appears super simple without an Ackerman steering but actually having the inside wheel traveling to the back and the outside wheel traveling to the front when you make a turn, making it hard to exit the turn (making aforementioned tip over more likely). The windscreen wipers appear locked (affecting visibility in rainy conditions) yet even worse, could wedge a kids head in a corner in case of a collision or sudden stop. I'm sure they must have tested this with an actual Barbie but I once met some of these and I can tell you, they're all dead inside. I shared all the hardships in my life and she just keeps smiling as if it is all fun, no comprehension whatsoever. Just because she survived that car doesn't mean a thing.

By all means, save our beloved children. Get them out of those cars and onto bikes. No useless rollbar, no dynamically unstable steering system, no windscreen wipers, nothing can go wrong.
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 @silkyrhino: Stop it with your logic and reason! Big Grin
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 @vinay: yeah that’s a fair comment based on just this comment section alone.
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 @mikekazimer: And this is why we have pink jeeps.
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 @hobbnobs: insulting your host . . . never a good plan.
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 @mikekazimer: this is the stupidest analogy ever.
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 @Mtbdialed, is it? They're both toys, they aren't particularly necessary, and the wealthiest kids seem to be the ones that get them. They're also both probably a lot of fun, and I'm not going to worry at all about what other people want to buy for their children.
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 @mikekazimer: yeah sure. a $400 dollar toy for 4 year olds is same same as a $4000 ebike for your 10 year old.

if you can't see the developmental implications of one vs the other, you have either hit your head a few too many times, or are being purposefully obfuscatory.
  • 5 1
 @mikekazimer: that's cheap low performance plastic junk that no kid actually needs or enjoys after December 26 and they end up disintegrating in the sun in someone's front yard or dumped on the side of the road...
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 @mikekazimer: you're not going to worry about what other people want to buy (and do buy) for their children?
Children become adults; you don't get the connection, or you're just carrying water for a major sponsor?
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 @mikekazimer: Most of the bullshit in mountain biking would be harder for companies to sell if writers like you told the truth rather than the marketing. Have a good day.
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 @wolfowner: Too hotheaded? Take off your tinfoil hat to allow it to cool down a little.
  • 47 4
 Here's a thought... maybe you shouldn't be trying to hit some mileage quota on Strava when you are out riding with your kids. Who cares if they only get 2 miles in on the ride. As long as the kids have fun and can experience a sense of accomplishment, that is all that matters.
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 Yeah-kids rides are about fun and snacks. Adult rides would be better for most folks if the same was true.
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 Maybe some people live near super steep long hills and have kids who want to lap and not use all their energy doing one hill climb?

It’s not for everyone, and that’s the fun of it if you don’t want it don’t buy it, you vote with your wallet and I’m pretty sure specialised will sell out of these
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 @toad321: What goes up must come down. A 36lb hardtail is the last thing I would want a kid riding when descending "super steep long hills".
  • 3 0
 @toad321: Precisely. I live in an MTB paradise practically, but so much terrain is almost inaccessible to kids without wasting hours on the climb. My kids are okay to climb if they're fueled up but it can be a struggle, too. I've helped out with local riding groups and there are kids who just can't (or won't) climb. Yes, you can blame the parents a bit, but kids disposition varies even amongst the best and most devoted parents, and there's no way to control for that.

I'm not buying one but I can totally get why a dedicated rider parent with cash to spend might.
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 eBikes for kids... the pu_sification of our civilization, one step at a time.
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flag thechunderdownunder (Jun 13, 2023 at 9:11) (Below Threshold)
 It’s funny how my kid riding his Stacycs ebike would probably trigger you ebike haters, but on his regular bike not. Mind your own business people.
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 Totally. While we're at it we should get rid of airbags and bring back second-hand-smoke.
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 "If you work in marketing or advertising, do me a favor.... kill yourself".

-Bill Hicks.
  • 13 4
 Yet somehow the latest group of kids absolutely smokes you and every other adult on the trail. They move up from juniors to elites and win right out of the gate. You can call these kids whatever you want, but you'll be speaking to the back of their head as they pull away, and they're never going to look back.
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 @ndefeo96: Is the "you" directed towards me?
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 As a 19 year old who was a “kid” when I purchased my first bike and then e-bike it’s tough. I ride my analog bike 6/7 days a week and my e-bike 1/7 but everytime I say I have an e-bike people are like you don’t need it. You’re totally right but guess what when I ride my e-bike I’m with my dad enjoy our conversations uphill and then bombing downhill and beating people who think they’re quicker than me. I’ve worked my ass off and bought every bike with my own money and would never regret buying my e-bike because I get to ride on my off day with Ez. Tough sell to people but if I’m a dad and can ride with my kids by buying them this I’m game.
  • 4 0
 Despite all efforts, we still keep heading towards Wall-E.
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 @thechunderdownunder: Did you just imagine a situation in your head that hasn't happened so that you could tell people on the internet to mind their own business? Sounds a little insecure. Very strange behaviour
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 @Skaiwawker: I think that can be said for anyone in the Comments section.
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 "Daddy, climbing is hard!!"

"Oh don't worry little Billy, I can make your life just as easy as I've been making the rest of it by avoiding proper parenting and teaching life skills... here's this $4k e-hardtail... now stop whining, it makes me nervous that I may might have to learn to be a parent."

"...but I've spent enough time riding with my niece and nephew to know that the struggle is real – even just getting to the top of a small hill can end up feeling like an epic endeavor, especially when the tears start flowing and no amount of candy bribery can stop the meltdown..."

WTF... this is supposed to happen... this is when life lessons are learnt. These are the moments where too many parents are failing their children. When this happens... deal with it, go home. But come back and do it again. And again... and again. Guess what, pretty soon you have competent kids with life skills that don't fold like a wet noodle when their starbucks isn't hot enough

When my kids were little, they hated hard climbs... so guess what... teaching them to push through some tough climbs and just f*cking suck it up and muscle through most climbs... built their strength, resilience, performance and character. And now they're both 12 years old and climb like little goats and can deal with the real world. And my kids aren't some kind of jr. phenoms... just regular kids who hated climbing (still do) and had meltdowns... and now they're better for it.

If you buy this for your kid you're most likely pedaling an uber-E-bike with your dropper lowered, resting your pot belly on the top tube... raising the next entitled little pieces of shit. Sorry, this annoys the shit out of me.
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 You're really packing a lot of emotion into the outcome of kids participating in one recreational activity. Crazy to think about all these poor kids that have no chance of becoming good adults because they were never introduced to cross-country mountain biking by their terrible parents, and they will have no other opportunities to learn life lessons.
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 @silkyrhino: @islandforlife can correct me if I'm reading too much into their comment, but I don't think anyone is saying that this is specifically a mountain bike issue. E-Biking for kids* is just one of any number of examples of the growing phenomenon of soft people raising soft children, which happens to fit with the specific content of the article being commented on.

It's telling that rebuttals to this sort of post always bring up activities that have long been motorized - downhill skiing or DH mountain biking using lifts, motorbikes using motors, etc. as opposed to more accurate comparables like other longtime fully human-powered activities, such as scooters or skateboards, becoming motorized en masse to make them easier.
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*Kids who do not have the type of physical disability that would prevent them from accessing the activity without some form of motorized assistance, of course.
  • 1 1
 you......you get it! Kudos!
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 @andrewmajor: The reason for bringing up those other activities is to highlight the absurdity of it all... No one is over in the comments of the Whistler bike park opening day article going off about terrible parents failing their children by taking them to the bike park where you don't have to ride to the top.

It seems islandforlife, and you believe that “physical struggle” is the main factor in building character and resilience. You both seem to view e-bikes for kids as a symptom of an easier life, or what you term 'soft parenting.' But it's just an overemotional way to gatekeep the sport and feed the need to be outraged by modern society.

Just because it's an e-bike doesn't mean they aren't exercising. They're still pedaling, using their muscles, and working their cardiovascular system, just with some help… Probably still burning half a day's calorie intake on a decent ride. This is still a physical activity that will build strength, endurance, mental acuity, and coordination – all while enjoying time outdoors. That’s all positive stuff.

Regarding the crappy parenting aspect – The crux here is not the bike type but the bonding and active lifestyle it facilitates. The parent's presence and commitment to shared outdoor activity outshine any e-bike vs. traditional bike debate. Remember, many kids lack even this opportunity.

Lastly, this assertion that e-bikes are part of a 'growing phenomenon of soft people raising soft children' is not only insulting but also flawed. Life is filled with challenges and struggles that cannot be avoided (outside of any type of bike riding). And it's worth mentioning the ability to overcome obstacles and build resilience is not solely dependent on physical hardship.

Character and resilience are not exclusive to struggling up a hill on a mountain bike. The parent's role is to instill these values in their children in various aspects of life. Making blanket statements about what constitutes proper parenting or implying that parents who buy e-bikes for their kids neglect their duties is a narrow-minded view of a complex issue.

We should encourage more participation in outdoor activities, regardless of whether it's on an e-bike or a regular bike. The goal is to get kids moving and get them outside.
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 @silkyrhino: Different mindsets and emotional focus are needed to get through different hardships. Even biking up a hard climb needs a different mental focus than a doing a hard swim across a lake (nevermind in the sea).
The more you write, the more evident it is your opinions are based on a lack of experience.
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 @sonuvagun: And a rally car driver, fighter pilot, Moto GP racer, all require different mindsets and emotional focus and different hardships to get through... All just sitting there.

Lol, lack of experience eh? I started racing cross-country mtb 27 years ago as a teenager and competed nationally, raced in open ocean swims in Hawaii, and played competitive water polo. Somehow I'm still able to logically decouple from this silly notion that a child's successful mental and physical development will be hindered by going emtb riding with their mom or dad, for one of the activities they enjoy.

The more you write, the more evident it is your opinions are based on you being stuck in a bubble of illogical outrage. Pop it and expand your thinking.
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 @silkyrhino: the kids are not alright. Educators are saying it about kids and teens. Many parents are saying it - often about their own children. A lack of focus, a lack of manners, a lack of communication skills, a lack of problem-solving, and a lack of coping skills. I think if we come back to this conversation a decade from now that behavioral experts will agree that a lot of this stems from parents not having the patience to let kids do things for themselves (for example, ride their bike, at their speed, to the trails that they're ready to access) and not having the fortitude to set expectations and stick with them.
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 @andrewmajor: Yeah, it couldn't be Tiktok and other social media, broken homes, and parents not having time to do ANYTHING with their kids and hiring nannies to raise them. Much more logical that it would be caused by fun outdoor activities enjoyed with their parents.
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 @silkyrhino: So you have all those things, learned to preserve from a young age, yet you think robbing kids of the lessons of perseverance is a step in the right direction?
Oh, well done. Bravo!
A kid doesn't need an emtb to go riding with their parent(s). It's a silly notion as evidenced by the billions of adultsaluve or deceased, who, as children, once went riding with their parents.
It's anyone's guess how you imagine fighter pilots, and race car drivers to factor in to your argument, but I'm sure it'll be good for a laugh.
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 @silkyrhino: I’d suggest that the majority of kids e-bikes will be purchased by folks who don’t make time to do things with their kids / raise their kids. These aren’t separate issues. I don’t know that for a fact, clearly there will be exceptions, your community may differ from where I live, etc. But, it has been my observation that kids who get everything, get everything BUT time. I’d love to be wrong.
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 Lol, people really hate parents having too much fun with their kids. You should all stand at the bottom of ski lift lines yelling at skiers and snowboarders that they need to hike up and "earn their turns."

Imagine being able to do a 10 mile ride with your 6 year old, without having to break their spirit and they still want to go back out next week. So horrible. Just think of it as two different sports on a similar platform, and you'll all be less mad.
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 Well put silky! Your comment is level headed and reflects my experiences.
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 @silkyrhino: Lift access for skiers is directly comparable to lift access at bike parks.

Even with an ebike, I'd wager most 6 year-olds in N.A. would not want to do a 10 mile ride based on the time alone.

I'm questioning if it's safe to have kids that young zipping along that fast if they haven't built up the handling skills. Time will tell.
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 10 mi with a 6yr old!?

clearly your expectations of children need realigning with reality. Not even on an Ebike are you keeping a kids attention that long.
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 @Mtbdialed: Uh, what? You guys are all over the place. I thought we needed to toughen these kids up, and now we can't expect a 6yr old to work their way up to riding 10 miles of rad trails on an emtb? What happened to all that complaining about soft parenting ruining our kids? That's probably 3 miles of equivalent effort on a regular bike.
  • 2 1
 @silkyrhino: LOL. Kids aren't adults, as you may or may not know. Their emotional tolerances are lower(kids have an outsized reaction to pain, as they have no basis of understanding for it), and their attention span is lower.

you do not need to take your kid on a death march to toughen them up. It happens at their pace/speed not yours. So, you can take them on that 3 mile ride, let them struggle and fail, encourage them to try again, and then rinse and repeat another day. No broken spirit, no meltdowns(hopefully). You know what and why people don't want to do this? Largely because it's inconvenient and takes longer than the 10mi ride on an ebike. These shitty parents want their cake and to eat it too. They want to take little Johnny out and not ruin THEIR OWN ride. well, tough shit bub! You had a kid, so a lot of your personal joys will be ruined until you come to grips with the notion that you need to find joy in spending time with your kid OVER joy of a gnarly shredfest.
  • 22 1
 Kids have it too good these days! My parents acted as if that Team Murray from Gemco was the Redline I really wanted.
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 Comment of the day and it'll be lost on 98% of the Pinkbike commentariat. (Helmet doff)
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 I ended up wrenching for a living for years based on parental bike purchasing choices.
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 Hahahaha I got a Norco Spitfire instead of the Redline 500a that I couldn’t stop dreaming about.
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 I've got nothing against technologies that are interesting. I do however have something against the class stratification that is inherent between people that can afford things like this for their kids, who also drive Tesla's. Again nothing against the technology it's just that working class people and their kids on affordable bikes and cars probably aren't going to want to hang out with Dr Frank and his son Alexander and vice versa. It creates a divide in our society of The haves and have nots. I will say that as a kid, no matter how much money your family has you still need a BMX bike so you can go jump off of curbs in your neighborhood, it's the fundamental building block and right of passage as a future cyclist, and they only cost a few hundred bucks.
  • 17 2
 Got my daughter a Marin full suspension for half the price. She is happy to earn her turns and it is probably more fun.
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 Define, 'probably'. :-)
  • 16 2
 Remember the fat kids from the future in Wall-E that just hover around with giant sippy cups? We're right on track to achieve that vision.
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 I picked up my son from his after school club today and he was a bit upset. Turns out he'd been told off by the teacher for running. Because it's nearly 30 degrees here today the children weren't allowed to run in the school playground on health and safety grounds.
I wonder how many other ways we can pander to overweight/inactive kids...
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 30....celcius? so like 80f!? jesus jumped up christ, that's some soft shit! In Arizona kids where jumpers until its 90! lmao
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 Can't wait to get passed on an uphill section, popping and wheezing (mouth agape), only to hear the cherub angelic voice of a third grader saying, "on your left" as they zip by on a toy that is worth twice my net worth.

Honestly though, biking is fun, but some people aren't into the whole sufferfest aspect of cycling. If e-bikes are the way to a larger cycling population then I am all for it. It will make bikeable cities, and better cycling trails more viable for city planners to make in the future.

Let these people call themselves cyclists, embrace them as our own. No one on an e-bike is saying that they are more hardcore than regular cyclists.

You just don't like getting passed, you cucks!

let's not forget the real enemy here: Surons roosting out all over our trails
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 'You just don't like getting passed' This is half the problem.
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 @Rexuis-Twin: What does Cuckolding have to do with this. Honest question.
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 Wear a condom and a helmet folks.
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 Does this mean my kid can tow me up the hill with a tow-whee now?
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 I feel the best value is buying high-end used bikes for kids. My kids started off on a specialized big head Grom 24 inch wheel than a 26 inch da Vinci then a 27 1/2 inch Santa Cruz nomad all bought used for less than you would think, especially when you buy from someone cool and tell them it’s for your kid. They’ll usually cut you a deal. My take.
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 I personally think it's great! This would allow my younger kids to ride way more trails than they currently can. Everywhere there are climbs just a bit too much or rides that are just a bit too long where I would normally have to pull out the tow rope to get my kids to the top will now all be rideable for the little ones! I think this is rad!
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 Parent on regular bike, kid on ebike. Seems like a great way to get in a proper ride with kids.
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 All you said was how it'll improve and make rides with your kids more enjoyable and have zero impact on other people yet you're getting downvotes. I swear PB users are 10 ply nowadays...
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 Yep, I did the rope tow thing every once in a while for one of my kids that needed help. But that time period goes by very quickly. And being forced to push through some tough climbs and just muscle through most climbs... built their strength, resilience, performance and character... and teach them that getting to the best trails takes work and is earned. Some things in life should be earned. And now they're both 12 years old and climb like little goats.
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 Or you could stuff your ego and ride with kids at their pace and ability level.

No kid should have 300 watts to play with. It’s unsafe for them and other users.
  • 5 0
 @islandforlife: Climb like kids you mean
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 @JungleT: So it's good for you, but is it really good for your kid? Personally I don't think it is.
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 @JungleT: I don't know for me personally a proper ride is without my kids ... cussing like a sailor, smoking weed, encouraging myself and friends to do dangerous things...a proper ride with my kids is kid friendly and moderately safe...I don't want my riding life and parent life to merge just yet til my son's are old enough to handle big boy stuff
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 It's crazy how the kids who grow up to be motocross racers and primarily ride fully powered bikes become some of the greatest athletes in the world but people here have the perception that having an e-ASSIST mountain bike will make a child into a lazy ungrateful adult who will never amount to anything.
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 With all due respect to motocross racers, "greatest athletes in the world" might be a tiiiiny bit of a stretch
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 @VtVolk: With all due respect, when I said "some of" was that too specific? Did I upset your personal hierarchy of world's best athletes?

I think you missed the point of my comment.
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 I am trying to figure out who this e-bike would benefit. For a less skilled kid that struggles on the climbs and general bike handling, a significantly lighter bike would likely be much more beneficial. For the little kids that can shred and want to do hot laps on the enduro track, a full suspension bike would be mandatory. My youngest falls into the former category and I am just picturing her tangled up on the side of the trail with a 37lb bike on top of her.
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 @mikekazimer

This is interesting. It came to myattention last year that it is not legal to ride an E-Bike in BC if you are under the age of 16 (see link below). At the time I had reached out to a few different individuals around the industry and to most of them, it was the first they had heard. I can find a reasonable amount of information online stating this is the case (including shops that rent E-bikes), but it’s application around the province seems patchwork.

How are brands able to circumvent this? I can't imagine they are ok with accepting the liability, or is it ok to sell them... just not purchase and ride them? Are you able to provide any insight on this?

www.icbc.com/vehicle-registration/specialty-vehicles/Low-powered-vehicles/Pages/Electric-bikes.aspx#:~:text=You%20must%20be%20at%20least,or%208%20motorcycle%20learner's%20licence

www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation/driving-and-cycling/cycling/e-bike-rules-of-the-road
  • 6 1
 No matter which way your ego is bruised about this, two things are definitely true - they will sell, and the kids who ride them will progress much faster going downhill that the kids who don’t.

More laps means faster progression and more fun.

My 9yo will do gymnastics and jiu jitsu all day cause it’s FUN, but ask her to go for a hike or a bike ride and it’s a hot no. Because going up a hill is boring AF. And she is definitely not alone.
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 I hope this helps some kid somewhere learn to love being physically active and outside on a bike and get some quality time with their parents....especially in a few years when prices come down a lot more.

Hey, who cares how parents spend their money, right? I mean, one season of competitive sports is close to $1,000 + now. Will I buy it? No, because my towie was cheap and it forces me to have a lot of exercise as I pull my kids. But, I've even received heckles from people as I towed my kids up hills saying they have it too easy these days.

I had a lot more love and understanding for my kid when I realized his 28lb bike was almost 50% of his bodyweight...I'm sure I'd be complaining too if I had a 110lb bike to pedal up a hill.
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 Statistically speaking, riding regular bikes is more likely to turn people into angry commenters on pinkbike.
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 This is perfect
  • 4 0
 I think they missed the mark on this one by not adding a flip chip to make it 26" compatible whats the point of dropping 4 grand on a bike the kid is gonna outgrow before the battery dies lol
  • 4 0
 I think you just answered your own question. The person spending $4k on an etoy for their kid is going to spend another $5k for the 26" version in two years, assuming junior doesn't actively hate it yet.
  • 4 1
 My 9 year old has been on Stacyc since they first came out, she's currently on the new 20". My trail / shuttle bikes these days are ebikes, and I also love moto and currently ride a KTM 890 parked beside whatever ebikes I have at the moment.

She's headed for dirtbikes and moto I have no doubt, but if I can nudge her towards an ebike that doesn't require trailing or plates or fuel, this type of ride will open up the choices as I think Commencal was the only 24" option for awhile.
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 I came here to join the convo about how this relates to the Stacyc. My 4.5yo has a 16" Stacyc and a 16" Prevelo pedal bike. He enjoys both of them, and will choose based on where we're riding and who we're riding with, although he'd always prefer the Mac Ride. Eventually he'll be too big to fit on a Mac Ride, and too old to get away with a Stacyc on mountain bike trails. If he's into riding when he's ready for a 24" wheel, I'm not against getting him an ebike.

I wonder how many of the negative comments on here are from people who actually ride ebikes, and actually have kids? I find it's still a workout. The downhills don't get easier, and I still break a sweat on the uphills because I'm chasing my buddies and/or my PR (or have my kid on the front).
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 36-37lbs kids bike, of course they're going to need a motor.
Most of the kids I know on 24" bikes are probably in the 50-60lbs range. This bike is over 1/2 their body weight, that's gonna be a lot to handle for an 8 - 12 year old. That would be like your e-bike weighing close to 100lbs (assuming a 200lbs adult), that just sounds miserable. Just get the kid a dirt bike or optimize for a lighter 24" with a wide drivetrain. My 9 y/o daughter's 24" hardtail w/ Advent-X 10 - 48, 140 cranks, 30t ring and weighing ~23lbs and she can winch up just about anything she wants, and if not as I tell her "if you aren't hiking you aren't mountain biking"
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 oh cool. now i get to be passed by an 8 year old on climbs and then have to be held up by them on the downs while they're out riding trails they have no business being on. but since their moron dad decided they needed a riding partner that bad, now it's all our problem. thanks specialized!
  • 3 0
 There is nothing that screams ESG and sustainability more than a company who demands more mining and exploitation of the natural environment, geopolitical trade and manufacturing intensity including tailings, chemical processing and waste in getting kids to go for a ride - and selling it as a blessed virtue.
  • 3 0
 I have two kids, now 13 and 11. I started building them mountain bikes to ride on the north shore starting at about 6 years old. The bikes last each kid max three years and that includes a year where it's either too big or too small or both if they are hitting those crazy growth spurts.

I've taken my kids on rides with other kids who have e-bikes and so far what I've seen is that kids that ride e-bikes don't have the skill and strength to handle the extra weight. Heck for a 6-10 year old the weight of an average bike is hard enough to handle. There is a lot of strength developed from pedaling uphill that's necessary for the rest of the ride and skill development. Yes the e-bike kids can keep up with our kids on the fire roads but the rest of the ride looks very challenging for kids on e-bikes.

Yes the quality of riding that you do with kids when they are learning is not great and yeah they get upset in the early days and yeah towing them uphill is "hard" but it's still good quality time together (that's the point of it!) and pays off when you can blast up and down trails with them only 6 years later. (my son at 13 has no problem keeping up on the climbing and endurance aspects). You can always get your personnel rides in when they are learning because the kids, in the early years, have limited endurance, don't like inclement weather and don't do night rides.

My son keeps asking for an e-bike but I keep telling him that a big part of why he is currently strong, athletic and doing well in other physical activities is the time put in pedaling his bike.

So I guess what I'm saying is;
-Physical exertion is good for kids
-Bikes are expensive and kids grow out of them very fast
-The learning curve for kids getting good at something is relatively short so savor the time you have to be the teacher
-e-bikes for able bodied kids are stupid
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 Some people here are assuming kids this size/age still need to get schooled on MTB and conditioning on regular bikes -- you are being presumptuous. Just because your kid still needs to learn proper bike handling skills on a regular bike doesn't mean there aren't kids out there who are already proficient and ready to take advantage of an ebike at a size smaller than an adult. There are kids 8 years old that can shred, jump gaps and climb 1000+ ft without assistance, for those they can consider an ebike just like an adult would without sacrificing their training fortitude and work ethic.
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 Of those 8 year old kids that can shred, how many would want to do it on a 36 pound hardtail with 24" wheels?
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 Why oh why a hardtail?? Why not go full in with a suspension bike? The whole hardtail thing is good for technique is BS if you want your kids to progress fast.
Having ushered two of my boys from being little tykes to grams that now shred ( and earn their own turns) I have to say that I'm not sure about a kid's e-bike.
What worked for me from about 5 years old and on was me on a e-bike towing the kids up the climbs with a bungee.
I'd then let them lose on the descents and ride behind while coaching them.
I'm lucky enough to live in an area with a lot of varied trails with pretty long descents that are easily accessed by fire roads which made this approach work like a dream.
The key was also not skimping on good kit. A shitty bike will hold your kid back so IMHO it's worth buying decent kids bikes that work well. Commencal and Marin were my go-to brands.
  • 4 1
 Reason I ride an ebike now is so I can tow my 11year old. On the way down he's fast enough I can still have fun and with just a 4' piece of paracord and the ebike we can get to the top of anything..
  • 2 0
 I'm a bit confused. In Switzerland (where these Spec Ebikes are developed anyway), the law allows Ebikes for age 14 and up (as far as I understand it...). So, what does that mean for shops and parents...and insurance companies??
  • 5 0
 At Specialized headquarters:
- People don't hate us that much anymore.
-I have an idea.
  • 2 0
 I am not against e-biles but these bikes are for lazy ppl and we are teaching our kids it's ok to be lazy. I think these bikes are fine for ppl who have disabilitys or are trying to get too a fitness point to where they can safely ride a normal bike. We have turned into a society of entitled lazy disrespectful ppl.
  • 2 0
 Hmm so they've listed the power as over 250 watts (suspect an imminent edit to hide this fact)
This means it's not only illegal for an under 14 year old child to use in the UK but anyone else will also need insurance and a license to legally ride this as this exceeds the max 250w of assistance allowable by UK law.
This therefore is likely true for all of specialized's Levo's etc. Hmm very interesting.
  • 11 10
 I love all the haters here but I see it more like a set of training wheels than the world is going to hell because our kids are too lazy now. Allowing a young person to have super positive experience outdoors the first time out will build positive core memories and is super important I think. eBikes for kids so they can learn and experience the outdoors in a way they have never been able to do, it will hopefully build a foundation for them to keep getting out in the wild and the option to graduate to non-powered bikes will always be there. I am stoked to see these bikes on the local shredders with the stoke of fresh faced shredders, if you ever get bored on your bike go ride with someone new to the sport it is contagious. I think as long as were feeding the good wolf here this will be good for the sport on all ends.
  • 16 3
 "Allowing a young person to have super positive experience outdoors the first time out."

Uhh... this is totally still very, very easy to do without dropping $4k on a kids hardtail ebike.
  • 8 2
 Core memories-of hitting other users. Or crashing from going waaaay too fast. And memories reserved only for the wealthy.

Yeah-this seems sooooooo great. My “core memories” of the freedom pedaling 10-15 miles to a friend’s house at 13 seem lame now. How did I endure such drudgery???
  • 4 5
 It's looking like this would be the place to organize a protest against all activities that are too much fun and not enough sweat and tears.

H.A.R.D. (Halt Activities of Recreational Decadence)

The first protest will be at ski resorts this winter, where the group can attempt to get ski resorts shut down for pussifying our children. After that we will take on towing activities, such as water skiing, wakeboarding, kite surfing, etc.
  • 8 1
 Your argument may be well-intentioned but rather nullified by the fact that entire generations of mountain bikers (and the sport itself) have survived just fine without e-bikes. There's been no substantial lack of "positive experiences" so your argument comes off as supporting a solution for a problem that -- with all due respect -- just doesn't exist.
  • 1 0
 @islandforlife: Totally possible, this is just another option out there.
  • 1 0
 @wyorider: think more like 8-10 year old's who have been softened up by todays technology, gotta ease em in somehow, lol
  • 1 0
 @peterman1234: totally agree MTB has offered so many positive experiences without the support of "E", I just get excited when I see stuff like this because it will be more positive experiences, more people growing up with bikes in their life. More politicians, principles, cops and city council members that understand the importance of being outside on a bike. The positivity for me is it will hopefully translate into easier access nd more places for all of us to ride, eBikes or not. eBikes are for sure not "THE ANSWER" but they are pretty damn cool and if they get more people out in the wild I am down.
  • 5 4
 This annoys me. Where I live and ride, part of the benefits of climbing is you can access some of the better descents from up high. If you can't do the climb, you probably shouldn't be there. Ebikes, and now ebikes for children just increases the traffic of inexperienced riders on the harder to access trails. I don't like that. I'm already seeing groups of 12-14 year olds on ebikes way in over their heads dragging tires constantly and just being overall obnoxious on the trails.
  • 2 2
 Yup, 25 years of descending on shit you can't get to without a chairlift and riding trials for years definitely means my ebike gets me to places I can't handle. Still beat most of you snob-nosed elites down anyways. You think "normals" hate seeing us climb fast, you should see how mad they get when I ride their wheels down the runs!
  • 4 3
 You know what specialized is doing here right? So think about it for a second. You give a 7 year old an e-bike... you think they're ever going to want a to ride a non ebike up a hill ever again? Nope.

A 7 year old sucker is born every minute!
  • 1 0
 I know 95% of you don't care but for anyone actually interested: check out what Mondraker is doing. Way better builds and full suspension. They're really leaving the rest of the brands in the dust, except for the almost total lack of presence in the US of course.
  • 1 0
 Everyone is bragging about this electric kids bike, like nowadays making a kid be interested in outdoor activities instead of following lame Tiktok and Instagram influencers and imitating silly dance moves for music wouldn't be the HARDEST POSSIBLE challenge for parents. Tell me when was the last time your kid was not on smartphone for 6 hours straight. I am 6 hours straight off my smartphone when I am riding trails.
  • 1 0
 At 36lbs it's just slightly heavier than a regular kids bike... Who here looks forward to pedaling a bike that weighs at least half if not 3/4 of what they do up hill? Example, my 50 lbs 9 year old daughter has a 30 lbs kids Kona Honzo (that came with 165 mm cranks / 24" wheels). Maybe I'm a bad parent, but something needs to give in the kids end of this industry.
  • 1 0
 That’s one sweet bike.
Without wanting to come across as a Monty Python sketch, kids today are so lucky, there’s all these awesome bikes and kit on the market for them and it’ll just make biking more fun for them because they don’t have to worry about their brakes crapping out on them, or chainstays snapping or being exhausted by the time they get to the downhill sections.

Hopefully as e-bikes get lighter they’ll become even more fun.

E-run/balance bikes are a different thing though, they are just little electric motorbikes complete with throttles. Lol.

I hope I can afford 2 of these by the time my kids are old enough to want them.
  • 1 0
 Let's ignore the whole "e" part of the MTB for a moment. Once you add pedals, this is a 37lb hardtail with 24" wheels. Specialized suggests that this bike will fit anyone from 48" to 60". Their RipRock 24 has similar seat height and reach numbers, but is only rated to fit a kid up to 57" tall. My 10 year old daughter is 57" tall, with pretty lousy skills. Her height is average at best, but probably closer to the short side for her age. She outgrew her 24" bike and is much more comfortable on a much larger 26" bike. There is no way I could see someone 60" tall comfortably fitting on this Levo. Realistically, this bike is only going to properly fit kids much smaller than suggested by Specialized, and it is really heavy. Who cares if it is an eBike, it is just a really lousy trail bike.
  • 8 5
 Everyone wants easy.. raising the NXT generation of kooks and the cycle continues.
  • 5 3
 eBike parents need eBike kids, the SWorks E-stroller will be released soon. At least they learned their lesson on the carbon kickbike and made this aluminium.
  • 9 9
 No child should have 300 watts at their disposal. This is just reckless.

The bike industry forges on-pushing Bropeds with no concurrent commitment to trail (re)design and no concern for allowing motorized vehicles on non-motorized trails or trail user safety.
  • 5 5
 I used to hear all the same complaints about dropper posts carbon frames santa cruz bikes only for dentists etc etc. We are all spoilt with the bikes nowadays just get out and ride. Who gives a shit if some kids are on ebikes. Some will turn out to be absolute shredders. Some won't. That's just life. Get on with it. Now let's all get out there and have some fun
  • 2 0
 I have a Climate Action Now sticker and I support itinerant illegal child Congolese Cobalt collectors too! This bike and its demands by the liberal, progressive west who impose the rule of law and democracy on others mean Im getting heaps of new virtue bumper stickers every week! Tailings dams are carbon sinks!
  • 2 1
 This is good for kids that live in the mountains and have parents that want to frequently do big days with their kids. Outside of that use case this bike is not that useful - just my take.
  • 1 0
 In the good old days kids died in the mountains, and never went on big days to back country.

Can we go back there?
  • 2 0
 I’m still doing oil changes for my dad to pay back the $800 1998 Grand Marquis he bought me 15 years ago. I’d never be able to repay him for this
  • 5 1
 This one is for the fat kids.
  • 4 0
 For rich kids. I grew up a fat kid and the only daily exercise I got was the hours spent on my bike with friends. When one of these rich kids runs down a hiker from lack of skill and respect we know who to thank for new trail restrictions. Thanks Specialized
  • 3 0
 The last thing able bodied kids need is an EBIKE. Like seriously use you're legs.
  • 3 1
 This is undoubtedly a bike for parents. Doesn't teach your kid to overcome tough challenges, or to develop proper bike riding skills.
  • 3 0
 Once upon a time this kid would ride all day with out a motor on his bike... he still does.
  • 2 0
 I feel like most people on here are missing a really key thing to complain about..... the fact that this $3800 bike will fit your kid for exactly 17 months
  • 1 0
 Second hand value will be awesome though, so does this matter?
  • 1 0
 WOW! Where's the iPad holder? you want you're kid to get stronger and learn to ride, do what my parents did, send them out with crusty locals. Keep up or walk home. I sure miss the good ol days.
  • 1 0
 Growing up I was one of the few kids into mountain biking in a town full of dirt bikes and four wheelers. This would have gotten a lot more kids interested in the sport. It's fun, plain and simple.
  • 6 2
 We deserve the nukes
  • 4 0
 No kids, no problems!
  • 2 0
 I'm also pro-extinction but all the kids I've asked seem happy to exist.
  • 3 0
 ebikes are illegal for kids under 16 in BC Canada.
  • 3 2
 Everyone hates on ebikes for kids, yet they are perfectly fine with them hanging out at the bike park riding up on the chair. WTAF
  • 3 0
 Yup. It's always "lazy" not having ridden one and understanding the self shuttle of it all. If I'm running XC trails I ride a Ti hardtail with a Rohloff. If I'm getting big days on the rocks it's my shuttle-bike everytime.
  • 2 1
 Just get kids into dirtbikes. Bikes are bad mtb's and even worse motorcycles, cut to the chase and buy em an 80cc or equivalent
  • 1 0
 Or do both. We do both.
  • 2 0
 I support ebikes, but this is not a good idea. People are slowly going to become ebike dependent blobs. Wink
  • 2 0
 makes me sick just reading that kids need an ebike....really, what the f$%k has happened to this world.
  • 1 0
 This is illegal in the UK for the market they are aiming at. The law here is that they have to be 14 and over to use an e-bike.
  • 1 0
 IT'S A MOTORBICYCLE...... not a bike and my 2nd complaint is the kids will be overweight and will learn how to skate exercise.
  • 2 0
 This is fine.....(everything is on fire)
  • 2 0
 How does an Orbea Rise weigh the same? Made from Unobtainium?
  • 13 13
 Buncha "adults" pissed off because some kids might have more fun on bikes... But ya, eBikes are the real problem in the sport...
  • 8 4
 If riding a bicycle isn’t fun enough, get the kid a dirt bike………
  • 5 5
 @wyorider: must be weird being so narrow minded.
  • 2 1
 @wyorider: We do both. And they cross over. Imagine that.
  • 7 5
 Please don't buy your kid this thing
  • 10 12
 To all the "no kids needs an ebike" posters. No kid needs a computer/ipad/iphone either. I didn't have one growing up. Your kid has one, so stop being a hypocrite. I didn't have an ebike growing up, but that doesn't mean my kid should never have one.
  • 8 2
 And my kids didn't have access to computers/ipads (still no phones) until a certain age either. And it's still limited. They can buy all the ebikes they want once they've learned proper riding and life skills on regular bikes first.
  • 11 1
 Aaaaaaand maybe (just maybe) kids do need a more analog childhood.
  • 2 3
 @islandforlife: And that's why this bike in question isn't a 16" bike! Its a 24". Many steps later in the biking development of a child.
  • 1 0
 @wyorider: my 6 YO is rocking a 20" rip rock and loving it. There is room for both.
  • 3 1
 @numbnuts1977: And I consider that point at about 14 or 15 or more and riding 26", 27.5 or 29" wheel bikes. Also, they'd be paying for it... not me!
  • 4 3
 Use of an ipad doesn't create additional user conflict or affect anyone else in any way. I'm not saying e-bikes are pure evil, but it's inherently a much more complex conversation especially when we're talking about various user groups on public lands.
  • 2 1
 @peterman1234: Not really. Multi use is multi use. The only people we have "complex conversations" with on the trails are idiots. Simple minded elitist idiots. And I'm only ever bored enough to interact with them while having a drink reading the comments on PB.
  • 1 0
 Correct. Just post your address and Specialized will post the tailings dam contributions for this machine as user pays, cyclical economy issue to your address on purchase. Cant have developing Nations pay for Scope 3 tailings contributions of your kids recreation in this age of a fair and just economic ecosystem.
  • 1 1
 It's specialized way of teaching the kids of today patience when they have to sit around and wait for their motor to be repaired.
  • 2 0
 They’ll take your money any way they can ..
  • 3 0
 24 ain't dead
  • 3 1
 Lot of midget hate in here
  • 2 1
 This has to be some of the dumbest shit I've seen. Probably even moreso than cable tourism.
  • 4 3
 I've done pretty well in life, so to counter the e-bike hate I'm going to buy these for all the kids on my street.
  • 3 1
 I just feel like kids should pedal
  • 2 0
 This is the mtb equivalent of those old Popeye candy cigarettes
  • 3 1
 My son didn't enjoy Mt Biking because he hated climbing hills.
  • 1 0
 I know. My kids are great surfers but cant stand the ocean.
  • 2 0
 Backdoor no babies. Ride bikes without batteries. Mottos to live by.
  • 1 0
 Paid 5-6 grand for an e-bike, buys helmet and jogging shoes at wal-mart….
  • 1 0
 I’ve just pictured kids shifting under load - suddenly this bike doesn’t seem as appealing #allthesnappedmechs
  • 2 0
 If the obesity rate is 35% now, what'll it be in 10 years?
  • 2 0
 why does everything have to be electrified in this world? awful
  • 1 0
 Lovely opening pinkbike today to see this and a new internal routed stem, Its like comments christmas!
  • 1 0
 Or, just wait until your kid is big enough. Small steps, natural learning curve. This is a shortcut.
  • 2 1
 CARL NEED FOR HIS MASCULINE YET SLENDER FRAME!
  • 13 11
 WE ARE FUCKED
  • 9 3
 You guys have bigger problems rn.
  • 7 0
 @BermJunky: Pff. I am pretty sure an e-bike for kids is by far the biggest problem we face in the entire world.
  • 2 0
 @BermJunky: I can't think of any that even come close to this apocalypse.
  • 2 0
 @BermJunky: hahahaha yup
  • 5 8
 Wow. I use technology and electronics every day to keep patients alive that 50 years ago would have died. They live years on this equipment. Learning new ways to do things is how progress has happened. Technology will integrate that’s what it does. Fortunately for the hard core you can always find a harder, more simplistic way to do a thing. To the luddites out there I am sorry for your loss.
  • 6 1
 Bro that's not even the issue at hand. Your grandpa's pacemaker doesnt affect total strangers and their experience on public lands in any way.
  • 2 4
 @peterman1234: Neither does my ride on said land. If my presence reduces your experience, you can leave. Bye Bye.
  • 2 1
 Pinkbike comment section outraged. kids dirt bikes *exist*
  • 1 0
 I like it better than the carbon balance bike.
  • 1 0
 E-bike opinions are just comical now.
  • 1 0
 Another Specialized marketing dpt drama :-)
  • 1 0
 Uplifts and e-bikes make cycling a motor sport.
  • 1 0
 Just cuz there's so much hate for this bike. Imma gonna buy one Big Grin
  • 1 0
 Can't say I am surprised by this lol
  • 1 0
 Akward
  • 1 0
 Shame.
  • 2 1
 Perfect for fluffy kids
  • 1 0
 start them young!
  • 2 2
 WACK
  • 2 5
 Woke MTB
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