First Look: Specialized's New Carbon Stumpjumper Ditches the Horst Link

Oct 13, 2020
by Mike Levy  


Can you believe that Specialized’s original Stumpjumper is 40 years old? That first mass-produced mountain bike doesn't have much in common with modern Stumpy, but the purpose is the same now as it was back in 1981 - to be an all-around trail bike that can do pretty much anything well.

The latest Stumpjumper is a 130mm-travel 29er (with a 140mm fork) that looks similar to its predecessor, but it's actually an all-new frame that uses a completely different suspension layout.
Stumpjumper Details

• Travel: 130mm rear / 140mm front
• Wheel size: 29"
• New carbon fiber frame
• 65-degree head tube angle
• Sizes S1 - S6
• Weight: 27 lb / 12.2 kg (S-Works, S4)
• MSRP: $2,199 USD - $9,499 USD
www.specialized.com

Specialized has pared the Stumpjumper range down to just six bikes and a frameset, all designed around 29" wheels. That's right, there's no small-wheeled Stumpy in the catalog, but the new extra-small 29er offers more standover clearance than last year's 27.5" wheeled bike of the same size.


The new Stumpjumper gets 130mm of rear-wheel-travel, a 140mm fork, and all versions come on 29" wheels.


The least expensive Stumpjumpers, the $2,199 Alloy, and $3,199 USD Comp Alloy, are both aluminum frames that get the same geo as the carbon bikes but similar Horst Link rear-suspension to the previous Stumpjumper. More on that later, though.

Carbon fiber models start at $3,999 USD for the Comp, while the top of the range S-Works version we have for our upcoming Field Test series retails for $9,499 USD. That gets you a wireless AXS drivetrain and seatpost, Factory-level suspension from Fox, and Roval (Specialized's house brand) carbon wheels. All that and a bunch of other fancy things add up to exactly 27 pounds on my scale. Want to build your own dream Stumpy? The frame/shock will cost you $2,799 USD.



There are six complete Stumpjumpers to choose from, starting at $2,199 USD and topping out at the AXS-equipped S-Works bike that'll cost you a bucketful of kidneys or $9,499 USD.



The All-New Stumpy Frame

The side-arm frame design is back on the latest Stumpy, but every single tube is new and Specialized say they spent a ton of time and effort making this the lightest version yet. Much of the savings came from taking out the "lazy carbon,'' which is the stuff that was just adding grams without adding strength, and methods they learned while doing the also-new (and ridiculously light) Epic frame were put to use when creating the Stumpjumper.


No, they didn't forget a tube. The side-arm frame design is back on the latest Stumpy.


Claimed frame weight is 2,240-grams with the shock and small bits, which makes it 100-grams less than the previous Stumpy frame and 510-grams less than the also-also-new Stumpy EVO frame. Specialized has been busy lately.

Onto the details. My must-have list for a trail bike includes stuff like ISCG tabs, a threaded bottom bracket, room for a large-sized bottle inside the front triangle, and a ton of well thought out frame protection. I'd also insist that the only way internal cable routing is acceptable is if it's pass-through. Yes, there are tricks to make it easier, but I'm getting damn tired of trying to fish a shift or brake line out of a not-big-enough opening. And having to remove a bottom bracket to hook up a dropper post? That's unacceptable. Specialized agrees with my list, it seems, including the pass-through routing.



Frame details include a threaded bottom bracket and ISCG tabs, well-done internal routing, plenty of protection, and integrated SWAT.


SWAT is back, of course, and this version is said to be the lightest yet, with an internal carbon 'skeleton' of sorts that helps retain tube rigidity. There's also a spring-loaded multi-tool inside the steerer tube that pops up like you're playing Whack-a-Mole, but be ready to lend it out every time you stop - it's very convenient.


A Stumpjumper Without Horst Link Suspension

Specialized has employed Horst Link suspension since basically forever, including every single full-suspension Stumpjumper model... But not anymore. The new Stumpy ditches the Horst Link in favor of a single-pivot layout with a linkage-driven shock, and the carbon fiber rear-end gets a flex pivot on the seatstays instead. Is it me, or does 2020 keep getting weirder?


The new Stumpy uses a single-pivot, linkage-driven suspension layout to deliver 130mm of travel via a custom-tuned Fox shock.


Let's go back and talk about Horst Link for a second, which is named after a guy named Horst but his last name isn't Link. You can tell it's a Horst layout if the rear pivot sits below the axle, and the four bars of this four-bar system include the chainstays, seatstays, rocker link, and the shock itself. Pivot locations and shock tuning mean you can't really say, ''A Horst bike ride like this," but many riders associate the design with active, forgiving suspension that can provide loads of traction. And that's what the previous Stumpy was known for.

But look at the back of the new Stumpy and, well, there isn't even a pivot at the axle. Sort of. Much like the new Epic, there’s still a “pivot” there, only it’s up on the seatstays and its a flex zone rather than a couple sealed bearings and a bunch of hardware. Specialized says this saves 55-grams over those bearings and hardware, and it likely aids in side-to-side rigidity as well.

Flex pivots aren't anything new, and are a proven way to save a bunch of weight and complications, especially on short-ish travel bikes like the Epic and Stumpy where a relatively small amount of flex is required. There are more bikes using flex pivots than ever these days, so stay tuned for an Explainer episode on exactly that.
Horst who? The Stumpy's flex pivot is up on the seatstay, whereas the previous versions have all used a Horst Link suspension system.

Specialized isn't about to ditch the Horst, though, with the less expensive aluminum Stumpjumpers still using a revised version - Specialized said the whole flex pivot thing is way more difficult to do in aluminum. They also said that they've worked to make the alloy, Horst Link Stumpys ride similar to the single-pivot carbon Stumpys, but I don't have one of those on hand to confirm that claim. That said, it'd be good to include one in a value-oriented Field Test down the road.




S-Sizing and Adjustable Geometry

Looking for a large? Sorry, that's now how this works and we're gonna be better off for it. While traditional sizing and long seat tubes used to lock riders into a fame size, S-Sizing sees all the frames get a ton of standover clearance that's combined with long-stroke dropper posts. The idea is that you can choose a reach and wheelbase that work for you instead of saying, "The medium's seat tube is too short, so I have to go to the large."

Sizing runs from S1 with a 410mm reach to S6 and its 530mm reach (my S4 is 475mm), and Specialized says that if you were on a medium previously, you might like the Stumpy in S3. But you don't have to - you could go to the shorter S2 if you want a bike that's easier to toss around, or up to S4 if your trails require a bit more stability.




Let’s look at a few numbers in the low, slack setting because we all know that’s where it’s gonna end up. That gives you a 65-degree head angle and 76-degree seat angle, as well as 42mm of bottom bracket drop that puts it at 333mm high. If you want the bike a bit higher and quicker handling, the flip-chip at the clevis shock mount can be used to add have a degree and 7mm of bottom bracket height.

I've been spending a ton of time on the new Stumpjumper, since it's one of the bikes we'll be including in an upcoming Field Test. Stay tuned for those reviews a little later this year.


322 Comments

  • 233 50
 Shout out to Big S. You guys are killing it. Colorways are on point, geo is on point, innovative small touches are on point. Haters will hate, but reality is what you guys are doing is great for the industry as a whole. Thank you.
  • 97 120
flag jamesdunford (Oct 13, 2020 at 9:37) (Below Threshold)
 It’s tough to admit, but across all categories... they just make the best bikes in the world.
  • 140 71
 prices are not on point
  • 69 11
 @GZMS: I'd check again if I were you. EVO Expert price is VERY good for what you're getting and comparable to aluminum versions of D2C bikes...
  • 31 61
flag icdesign (Oct 13, 2020 at 9:45) (Below Threshold)
 I can't get behind any single pivot.. And ya @GZMS Price points for "S" have never been great considering you're buying house brand parts (not saying they are good, but 10K and I have a "S" bar and stem?) Please....
  • 22 28
flag ianswilson815 (Oct 13, 2020 at 9:51) (Below Threshold)
 Whats not on point is the availability. They released the EVO with essentially no stock available. Their LBS' cant even get stock let alone people trying to buy them directly. What an absolute joke when your distribution stores are on several months long backorder to even get the bikes to sell.
  • 30 4
 @GZMS: The Comp with the SLX groupset seems to be right in the sweet sport of price to performance ratio for a serious mountain biker.
  • 55 66
flag salespunk (Oct 13, 2020 at 10:00) (Below Threshold)
 @ianswilson815: everything in the sporting goods world is on back order. Trying buying a weight set or a 1Up rack right now. Too many people getting $1K a week on unemployment.
  • 59 1
 @ianswilson815: DO you work at a specialized store? It is across the board with most brands and most bike shops that bikes are not available into winter time and even spring. COVID has really f*cked up the whole supply chain management in the bike industry. Even simple things like 26 inch tires from any major brand are not available, its not just a specialized thing.
  • 29 11
 @icdesign: Hold on. Do you want the parts to be of high quality and function or are you more interested in just having a mix of brand names on things? If a part is of high quality, who cares what name is painted on it? Most of the carbon and aluminum bits are made in the same, or similar factories. At a certain point, you are just paying for a name...
  • 23 1
 The one questionable aspect of the S Works paint job is the choice to use a gradient on the seat tube, and a hard line on the down tube, past the SWAT door. Why didn't they use a gradient there as well?
  • 11 9
 @NicoRides: For sure I understand its not a specialized thing but then why are companies releasing models that cannot be bought for the next 6 months....that seems strange to me. "Yo look at our sweet new bikes!! But f*ck off if you actually want one in the next year, we only have enough for our pro athletes and a couple floor models!"
  • 3 1
 @GZMS: Do you think this is subjective?
  • 45 3
 @GZMS:
$4700: Xo1/Gx1 Build Stumpjumper w/ RSC brakes, performance elite sus, alloy wheels
$6000: Fuel EX w GX, RS brakes, performance sus, carbon wheels
$5200: hightower w GX, R brake, performance sus, alloy wheels
$5500 Giant Trance 2 GX, R brake perforamnce elite, carbon wheels

These prices are extremely competitive if not the best out
  • 6 2
 @jamesdunford: If by "all categories", you mean big divisions like road, mountain, commuter, eBike, and Touring, then I could see that.

But man, I don't know how you'd support that claim in MTB. There is some VERY stiff competition from other brands that cover the entire MTB spectrum.
  • 38 1
 @twozerosix: I agree. Red is a faster color than black, just because of the nature of radness. Creating a hard difference in color could cause the frame to rip itself apart in the worst case, with the racing red part just speeding off the slower black part. I think the Specialized engineers have likely tested just how fast the red is and just probably added some black just to keep the bike stable near the downtube. This is satire.
  • 11 0
 @jmhills: You could not possibly be more wrong. While its true that there are only a small handful of higher end builders in TW/China what comes out of the factory is specific to the brand they build for. If Brand X has great engineers and Brand Y has shit engineers and they use the same factory you'll still have one bike that is solid and one that is just shit.
  • 10 2
 @GZMS: 4K for a Comp carbon SLX? Get a real job dude!
  • 4 0
 @ianswilson815:Isn't this the case with all bikes in 2020 though?
  • 8 11
 @jmhills: Very true!!! Bike parts are just like vodka...Grey Goose is rebranded from the same factory as many other vodkas but priced $50 instead of $15 for the "lesser" brand. I bought a carbon bar for $25...looks just like the Race Face carbon bar I have that was $150...I've done the two-chairs-sit-on-bar-test before my bike and no issues. I bought a stem recently to try...looks like a Hope stem but was $17...zero issues! Years ago I started painting frames and I bought a new aluminum hardtail frame on ebay to practice on...$35!! Looked exactly like a Giant frame, and probably was made in the same factory
  • 4 2
 "While its true that there are only a small handful of higher end builders in TW/China what comes out of the factory is specific to the brand they build for." So, a Specialized frame is okay but having a Spec brand tire, stem, bar is somehow not okay?
  • 15 1
 @jmhills: As someone who works in manufacturing I can tell you that the "same factory" thing is, in some cases, literally true, but it's also completely misleading.

Sure, many brands use the same contract manufacturers, but at the bare minimum, what you get with a good brand is accountability. In the most cynical sense, it's a legal entity that can be sued if something breaks, but in an ideal case it's also tighter QC specs, better in-line process control. It's the difference between a marginal part being thrown in the scrap bin or being shipped straight to costumers. With a really good brand, you'll also get additional engineering expertise—Both in the initial design, but in some cases people from the brand camped at the factory and optimizing process.
  • 5 0
 @GZMS: He said the S-works frame will be $2800. Compare that to a Pivot Switchblade which is $3400 and two pounds heavier.

My only complaint with this article is no leverage ratio or anti-squat chart. I generally don't like bikes that use lsc to firm the suspension but I'm keeping an open mind. 2000g for the frame is amazing for a 130/140 bike.
  • 2 0
 @twozerosix: I’m with you. Not a fan of that at all. It looks inconsistent. Go with hard lines in both spots.
  • 1 0
 @Swangarten: but how can you objectively measure the quality of engineers, even assuming you’re intimately familiar with all of their entire supply chains (which we aren’t). Seems to be unknowable.
  • 2 0
 @Hayek: Thats a much bigger question/issue. Its almost impossible to compare apples to apples in engineering but my point was that you cannot lump any brands together simply because they are build in the same place
  • 5 3
 @salespunk:
Completely on point there salespunk until you threw in the unemployment comment, Cmon man.

I’ll be getting one of these to replace my enduro when they are finally available! Hoping that’s not 2022.
  • 2 0
 @icdesign: it’s a deity stem.
  • 3 0
 @MikeyMT: Really? Evo expert price is higher and spec is lower than comparable models in Canyon lineup for example, even in the US.
If you look at pricing in other regions, in Australia the Evo expert price is 20% higher than a Canyon Strive with X01 and Lyrik/Super Deluxe Ultimate. For only a couple of hundred more than the Evo Expert you can get a Srive with Fox Factory and full XTR...
  • 2 6
flag bonfire (Oct 13, 2020 at 16:05) (Below Threshold)
 @ianswilson815: they can be bought. There are these things called countries and hemispheres that exist outside of Trump land.

Where these bikes are available, because it's coming into summer. Early drops ended up in Aus/NZ to their spring launch. Dealers in the rest of the world had the chance to snag some early launch bikes and have them as well. Just those late too the party are left out to dry
  • 4 1
 @Swangarten: and it must be said, Specialized have good engineers. Plus they have a strong organisation that manages all things sourcing, testing, supplier auditing and quality management.
  • 4 1
 @ianswilson815: you living under a rock? Clearly you are not a patron of your LBS because if you were you would that the bike biz is operating in unpresented times. You cant get your new fancy carbon full suspension, its even worse for mom and dad trying to get a 24" bike for their child. No joke!
  • 1 0
 @dudeabides1982: Amen to that. Tried for months to get my daughter a new mtb as she had outgrown her last one. Took a few months to get here on special order but worth the wait. Totally different times we have now. We used to just walk in the LBS and pick what color she wanted off the floor.
  • 2 0
 Wow! So ugly! Looks like rattlecanned tree branches.
  • 1 1
 @GZMS: The comp models are well priced across most of their new models. The comp Stumpjumper, Epic EVO, and Enduro are all solid frames and solid spec for around $4k.
  • 5 0
 @elsinore: I have a degree in economics and was coming at the issue from that perspective. I was not passing judgement on anyone, it just came out wrong.

Relatively speaking there is a large segment of the population that takes home significantly more income on unemployment vs working right now. This means much more disposable income to buy things like bikes. This is a precursor of inflation where demand outstrips supply. There is a lot more to this story, but this is not an economics forum and I don't want to bore people.
  • 1 0
 Too much of everything
  • 1 1
 @ianswilson815: ya, ive always believed lame to drop a bike thats not available. Many have done this well b4 wuhan. Intense and few others only dropped 'em when available-respect.
  • 1 0
 Actually, they're not "killing it" at all. How and why are there so many Specialized Shills on Pinkbike?
  • 105 9
 Am I the only person that wants 27.5 still?
  • 35 2
 Same here man. Seems like the industry is pushing it out, which sucks.
  • 96 10
 There must be dozens of you, at least
  • 20 7
 Nope. Just way more fun and playful. These are trail bikes.... Nukeproof Reactor 275 Yeti SB140 Ibis Mojo 4 Transition Scout
  • 31 1
 @thegoodflow: The real question is if the #26forlife crowd will welcome us or shun us...
  • 22 1
 I don't want 29" wheels.

Also It looks goofy and doesn't work well in XS and S sized frames.
  • 29 1
 27.5 ain't dead, 27.5 for life... damn, Now I'm one of those guys.
  • 7 0
 Yeah I prefer 27.5... been delaying buying a bike for a few years now because I don’t want to buy a 27.5 then have it go the way if the 26er. So just will continue keeping my bike in working order until I see what comes of it all.
  • 19 5
 #ShortPeopleRidesMatter
  • 5 8
 with 32" and 36" on the horizon, you can bet 27.5 is out for 2022 or 2023 completely, it will probably stay for mullets on bikes for short fellas... for downhill bikes only.
  • 14 2
 Nope, just ordered a new set of 27.5 wheels today. I find it funny that they talk about all the gram shavings, then slap on bigger, heavier wheels and tires.
  • 20 24
flag thustlewhumber (Oct 13, 2020 at 11:35) (Below Threshold)
 29ers were great back in 2010, but eventually we all came to realize that it was way more added rotational weight (ie - pulling boat anchors) with no playfulness - just plowing. 27.5 boost wheelsets are virtually indestructible, get up to speed faster, and jump / turn better. Never going back to the 29er bandwagon.
  • 30 2
 @thustlewhumber: whenever people speak in absolutes like that.... no playfulness - just plowing... it says a lot more about the rider or bike geo than it does about any wheel size. They're shades of gray, not night and day.
  • 1 0
 @thustlewhumber:

But not even a mullet thustleweiner?! c'mon man.

Maybe this bike would work in the high setting w/ a 27 rear... upfork to 150 to raise the bb a few more mm, although it'd then be at 64 degrees up front.

I demoed the new Scout a few weeks back and it handled great and with no arse-wiping in the steeps like I get w/ my 29er.... it just needed a bigger front wheel! It jumped better than it rode raw singletrack.
  • 4 0
 It'd be interesting to see some brand go all in on 27.5, just to grab the market that a lot of the big brands are giving up. Seems like Santa Cruz is kind of doing it. But yeah, all the 27.5 is not dead rallying cries sure are reminding me of 26 is not dead from just a couple years ago.
  • 10 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: the rallying cries sound the same for sure but I think it is a different scenario. 26 is real close to 27.5 in a lot of ways they feel real similar so it never made sense to have both sizes. The same cannot be said about 27.5 and 29, there is a bigger difference there. Plus I think 27.5 will be a faster wheel for pumpier downhill tracks. It is kind of funny, flow trails are getting more and more popular at a time when the tire size most suited for those tracks is getting less common.
  • 5 0
 @iantmcg:

Also there's a very good reason why dj/slope bikes are all still 26"

You can't just kill off a wheel size for the sake of innovating if it in fact serves a meaningful and preferable purpose.
  • 3 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity:
Didn't Giant try to do that a few years ago? Didn't go so well for them, and they had to 180. Maybe with a smaller company it could work. Call it SevenFiver.
  • 2 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: Giant did that. They gave up and have moved on to offering 27.5 and 29ers in different models.
  • 2 0
 @SeanC1: yep. real effin goofy
  • 6 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: I've been kind of thinking this, too. There are brands that will make you a steel single-speed, or a dedicated mullet bike, or a 29er back when they weren't popular. There really ought to be a brand for not forcing everybody onto gigantic wheels.

Really though the best way would be wheel sizes matched to frame sizes. The video says Spesh are varying frame stiffness with size to make the different frames ride similarly. Why are they then going on to give every size frame the same XL wheels? Imagine a scenario where 10 years ago all cars, Geo Metro through F-350 ran on tiny Geo Metro wheels. And now all cars, Geo Metro through F-350 run on huge F-350 wheels. That wouldn't make any sense, but it's what happened with mountain bikes. I know there are a lot of people who think this is an improvement, but my intuition tells me most of them are above average height.
  • 5 0
 @thegoodflow: for kids or short people, sizes xs and small with wagon wheels make no damn sense.
  • 2 0
 They make a link for a mullet bike. All you need to do is buy a frame, buy that link (rear end taken care of), over-fork 10-20mm, and bam, you have a 27.5. Easy.
  • 7 1
 @fruitsd79: I'm tall and prefer 27.5. I just like how they ride.
  • 2 1
 @TheLoamDeranger: I have two 275 bikes. I test rode the exact same bike as my Mega in a 29 and it felt slower. I don't understand why everything has to be a 29er now.
  • 1 0
 @fruitsd79: but was it actually slower? (Only matters if you are racing or otherwise care about the times)
  • 1 0
 @atestisthis: most of what I have seen on the 27.5 vs. 29 debate concerning racing is real track dependent. Also the grim donut timing they did makes me wonder if we won’t get to the point of geometry changing based on the track. Bikes are to the point where new stuff isn’t better than the old stuff it is just different.
  • 1 0
 @iantmcg: Also, faster under riders who are able to realize the second or two gain doesn't mean faster for us normal mortals - or have any meaning at all if you're not racing the clock. Like the relationship between bike and rider weights, where the best place to save weight is on the rider - if you aren't already going so fast that a minor performance difference from your bike can actually make a difference between winning and losing, then it's really a moot point.
  • 63 5
 S: "Specialized engineers got payed millions of dollars, and were able to save 55 grams by eliminating the pivot"...
Me: "nice..."

...takes a bite out of my $1 donut... as the thought sinks in... "that probably weighed 55 grams"...
  • 57 1
 wiki: Cake doughnuts typically weigh between 24 and 28 g (0.85 and 0.99 oz), whereas yeast-raised doughnuts average 38 g (1.3 oz) and are generally larger, and taller (due to rising) when finished.

You take one helluva bite out of one helluva donut! Wink

Side note: I'll gladly finish a half dozen cake donuts after a ride as a reward... i need help.
  • 2 0
 Most probably they wanted to create something different and this is their excuse
  • 6 0
 "We were able to save 100!!! Grams of weight from last years frame by utilizing new carbon technology in design and layup."

55 of these 100g were from removing bearings and pivot hardware.

"Shut up. Pay me"

*I feel like 45g could be gained or lost just in manufacturing tolerance one bike to the next.
  • 2 3
 To be completely honest, ditching the horst link is doing alot more than ditching 55 grams. Especially putting the flex point on the seatstay. The alloy and carbon versions are likely to behave very different. This bike will likely maintain a more neutral feel than its predecessor and the alloy versions.
  • 3 0
 @borisimobike: subscribe to donut facts daily
  • 11 0
 "Specialized engineers got paid millions of dollars..." Nope.
  • 9 0
 I think you overestimate how much engineers get paid.
  • 2 0
 @borisimobike: donuts are mostly grams of fat- a donut has about 25 grams of fat and is fairly dry.

Fat holds 9 times its weight in water, as opposed to carbs and protein which hold about 4 times there weight. That 25 gram donut turns into 300 grams of extra you.
  • 2 0
 @R-trailking-S: Very interesting theory... Where did you gather the data for your statistics?
  • 2 0
 @TheR: As an engineer I can say that you are correct. Now dentists on the other hand...
  • 46 6
 Nice to see the progression, but moving the flex/pivot point to the seatstays is going to make the carbon versions brake more poorly (too much anti-rise, like most single pivots) than the aluminum versions with their pivot at the chainstay. Nice to eliminate the wear, friction, and weight of a pivot but they also lost the kinematic benefits of a four bar in the process.
  • 30 11
 I think some might argue that the new suspension layout better suits their needs, even if it's not as active. It's pretty cool how riders can choose a suspension layout/performance that suits them - plenty of Horsty bikes out there still Smile
  • 21 13
 Yes so it will be cheaper to make and ride poorly. I wonder if the costs savings are passed on...
  • 6 5
 it's been 15 years but i remember during a class in college we learned a formula to change pivots in mechanisms and have the same result, not sure if specialized did their homework with this design change though. There is something else that specialized is hidding behinds this change, 56 grams is too little to justify the change on their golden egg goose imo.
  • 1 3
 This is one where I saw the brake and thought will this stop flex if braking? as the brake would effectively act as a structural support between chainstay and seatstay? I don't know the physics of it though but I think this is what you're saying
  • 10 3
 'flex pivot', 'lighter weight', and 'stiffness' will be the buzzwords the shop employees will be using to sell all us Dads on the carbon version. That would be an awesome shootout though if any outlet dares to ride a similarly specced alu and carbon version back to back to report on what they find. My armchair engineering degree tells me also that you'll get some brake jack and less traction with the carbon version. It looks awesome, though.
  • 3 2
 @mikelevy: still reaching for a Timmy's sponsorship I see
  • 7 3
 @mikelevy: And plenty of single pivots out there still. But this is a Stumpy that is a bit different than the previous Stumpy, and in fact even different than other current Stumpys, and that's weird.

I wouldn't get this as a follow up to my current Stumpy.
  • 2 0
 @Narro2: I'm assuming it saves them money on manufacturing costs which may or may notbepassedon (probablyabitofboth). For me, the less pivots to maintain/worry about, the better if the ride quality is on par.
  • 1 0
 Apologies for the linked words. My mobile does strange things !
  • 8 0
 @Narro2: Probably purely cost. Easier to make one perfectly aligned mold than ensure two molds create outputs that align perfectly, plus a bunch of hardware is removed from the BOM.

And/or the continued industry perception that less active suspension means efficiency. I didn't see anything about anti-squat, but Levy just above said it's not as active. So they might be going with "if people pedal the carbon one around the parking lot and they feel the anti-squat and stiffness and it "feels fast", they'll shell out for the "fancy" version, regardless of whether a more active suspension with more traction is actually better for them"
  • 2 1
 @tremeer023: @just6979 yeah i agree with you, it all comes down to costs, my concern would only be that the seatstay is one of the parts of the frame that break the most on any brand for that matter, why mess with it? on the other hand, this is a trail bike, if an agressive rider breaks the seatstay, he should've been riding the Enduro instead...
  • 4 1
 @mikelevy: With one caliper mounting point on the CS and one on the SS....how much can that flex point actually be flexing? Seems like that would create issues....or flex point is not actually flexing beyond the marketing muscle aspect?
  • 3 1
 @mikelevy: so, having spent time on it, how much worse would you say it is than the Horst version and does that make this a trail bike for XC whippets?
  • 1 0
 The progression has been in the Scott Spark for a while now, and they made the aluminum flexstay work--but this has more versatile geometry
  • 3 1
 @WasatchEnduro: In all likelihood the difference in the amount of brake jack may be too small to be measurable.
As for less traction, it should be trivial to tune the shock differently to account for the carbon frame contributing some spring - run a couple of PSI less in the shock, add one click of rebound damping, done.
  • 1 0
 @dsut4392:

Yeah it doesn’t turn me off knowing the intentions of the bike. And the vast majority of customers I think will be fine. Once demo events come back I’d like to ride one.
  • 1 1
 @DubC: You are so right. I bet this design will last one generation. I would go for the Enduro because of this.

I know flex stays have to flex only a little, but at least give the stay every opportunity to do so.

We all want small bump sensitivity from our shock. Surely such a design (brace between the SS and the CS) throws that out the window.
  • 1 0
 @DubC: I don’t think the flex point would be between the calliper mounts. Rather it will probably span across the entire seatstay, the thinnest part on the rear triangle. Material flex can be concentrated on 1 area, but never 1 single point, so I doubt it’ll be between the callipers.
  • 2 0
 @Ianthene: the flex point is there to compensate for the change in distance of the distance between the CS and the SS at the seat tube. It cannot be between the callipers. I think @DubC's point was that if the calliper was bolted to one stay only, the other stay has more room to flex.
  • 1 0
 @iamamodel: you would go Enduro just because you think they'll backtrack on this design? That's silly, this and that aren't playing in the same league.
  • 1 1
 @just6979: But my next biggish bike was looking like a toss up between the Stumpy and the Enduro. This would seal the deal for me. And not because they design might change, but because of the design they used.
  • 6 0
 @iamamodel: wouldn’t the Stumpjumper Evo be a better alternative for you? Keeps the Horst link and more comparable in attitude to the Enduro?
  • 24 3
 Suddenly the removal of two mechanical pivots unblocks a mental barrier I had against riding Specialized. Petty, I know.

"Much of the savings came from taking out the "lazy carbon,'' which is the stuff that was just adding grams without adding strength" - i.e. a lot of the industrial design excess commonly seen on various brands, both mtb and road. There's obviously room for implementing a branded look across your line, but every evocative bone-line and flourish adds a couple of grams in material and a few minutes of finishing attention. Kudos to the Specialized design team for leveraging the material and their internal resources into a good-looking frame.
  • 15 0
 I hear ya and you're not wrong but I think that sentence is probably talking more about optimizing the fiber layups. If a normal carbon tube is, say, 8 layers thick everywhere, with some in-depth simulations and engineering they can instead determine it's lighter or stiffer to have 9 layers where the bulk of the load path actually is supported, and 5 layers everywhere else (ie: took out 3 layers worth of grams without compromising strength).
  • 3 0
 @thartwig: roger that, they mentioned their carbon work on the Epic and that new roadie wonder-bike.
  • 24 1
 So after 25 years of shitting on them, Specialized just released a 'Faux Bar' bike? That's just peak 2020 that is.
  • 9 0
 My Yeti 575 with long CS and flexing seat stays is now cutting edge??? We really are in the bizarro world now.
  • 6 0
 Can't wait for the marketing machine to tell us how much better this is.
  • 2 0
 @ReformedRoadie: you're not wrong... Is your 575 still with us? Did any not rip in half at the seat stay "pivots"?
Is there any long-term feedback on the reliability of recent flex stay bikes?
  • 3 0
 @BenPea: well the flex stays are fine...
I did crack the chainstays in the block of aluminum behind the pivot. Yeti took care of it. Quite odd, since it seems that area is overbuilt.

The one thing I am curious about is the choice of shock.
I put a Cane Creek Air IL on it and it was so much better than the Fox Factory float w/ Evol can. Like night and day.
Not sure how that regressive damping will work, but being that Trek ditched it, kinda surprised they went that way.
  • 3 0
 @ReformedRoadie: Fox must give amazing deals to oem on that DPS because it's junk and it won't go away.
  • 3 0
 @BenPea: I've put several thousand kms on both a Spark and a Spark RC and had no issues. And I cracked six Anthems JRA before I got the Scotts, so I think if the Scotts were going crack JRA, I woulda done it.
  • 22 0
 XXL with 530 reach for freaks like me, and a $2200 model so I can upgrade the bits I want to, when I want to? Count me in.
  • 19 1
 I saw that 530 reach and thought they nailed it. There are a bunch of long bikes out there for you tall freaks, but so many seem to top around 500-510. Nice to see the 530.
  • 14 1
 When you're 199cm, 29" wheels and massive reach feels so good it'll turn your flex stay rigid. Mmmmm...
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy: if it tops out at 510 it's not a long bike.
  • 1 0
 @alexsin: no kidding! But then again, companies like Ibis still can’t get their geometry charts right, my xl Ripmo AF (I gave up on waiting for the new stumpy evo) wheelbase is about 10mm longer than stated...
  • 1 0
 Long live the the triple digit (+100) berm-bangers
  • 16 0
 @mikelevy How Many Stumps could a Stumpjumper Jump if a Stumpjumper could Jump Stumps - say that fast a few times - On the Pinkbike Podcast...
  • 10 0
 Specialized is killing it, what can you say? Smack in the heart of the trailbike segment, while keeping the geo modern and the weight reasonable. And if they actually pedal now....
  • 9 0
 USD prices are on point. 4700 for an Carbon Expert Build with X01, GX and RSC brakes. That is pretty comparable to even DTC. And 4000 for the Comp with full SLX too. The frame is the same as as s-works and this thing is almost half a pound lighter then the IZZO frame. And lighter then Transition Spur!
  • 1 0
 Not really a deal when you compare to last years expert which was $5000-$4500 and included a carbon wheel set.
  • 2 0
 @EdSawyer: I believe last years Expert model retail was $5500. It came with carbon wheels but trash hubs that you can't swap internals with. It came with Traverse Carbon wheels but not the retail ones. It was also GX with RS brakes.

For 800 less you get X01/GX and top end RSC brakes. That's pretty good I'd say. Sell your wheels and pick up a set of top notch Roval Traverse SL or some other wheelset, sell this one and you're right at the old price.
  • 12 1
 Can't wait for pinkbike and the specialized marketing machine to now start telling us how much better a single pivot design is vs Horst link.
  • 10 0
 Congrats big S, you just "upgraded" to what Giant is using on their cheap entry level bikes that don't have Maestro to save pennies.. Big Grin
  • 2 0
 I was thinking this too. We have had one of those Giant Stances and sold it. It pretty much sucked compared to similar bike with their Maestro stuff. It was fine for a 1300$ bike tho.
  • 9 1
 "My must-have list for a trail bike includes stuff like ISCG tabs"

It only has 2/3s of the ISCG[05] tabs. That shouldn't count. Especially since it comes with a crankset that can't natively take a bash-guard.
  • 1 0
 I agree, and it is probably the only thing I don't like about my E29. But I did add a bash guard to it any way, with just two bolts. It has taken a beating so far.
  • 1 0
 you can with wolftooth
  • 1 0
 @JSTootell: you begging to either pull the inserts out of the holes or crack the tabs. Iscg is not ideal for bashguards already, taking away 1\3 of it is silly.
  • 1 0
 @housem8d: or a Raceface crank with better BB and 104 BCD spider. Many ways, sure, but I said "native". As in, just add a bash; not get a new chainring and it's custom bash and\or get a new crank and rings and also add a bash.
  • 1 1
 @just6979: True, but the tabs have held up better than my chainring in the past. I technically have a couple spare frames, so it's worth the risk.
  • 1 0
 @JSTootell: Technically have spare frames? WTF?
  • 1 0
 @just6979: I have the aluminum version of the same bike, one model year earlier that is nearly identical (slight less reach, but only slightly) that I decided was worth more in spare parts than selling. And I have a front carbon triangle for the same bike that was from a warranty replacement that wasn't destroyed.
  • 9 2
 When I first looked at the picture on the PB home page and didn't see a pivot at the rear axle, I thought, "Wow, Spec finally made a multi-link suspension??!!" Now that would be something really new for them and would definitely get my interest. But no, they made a single pivot bike. Seems less than innovative.
  • 2 0
 May seem less than innovative, but does that mean bad?
  • 2 0
 @VwHarman: No matter what you do with a single pivot, it'll never work like DW or VPP or even Maestro. For me, that's bad.
  • 1 0
 @Marquis: to each their own. For me, I think I can get along with a well designed suspension system, regardless of the general theme or style of the system. For me, the way any bike rides is more important than the acronym on the chain stays...
  • 9 0
 Is the faded vs. taped-off paint scheme between the seat tube and downtube juxtaposition bugging anyone else's OCD?

Killer bikes regardless!
  • 1 0
 It is a shitty color scheme, last year’s colorways were much better and then regard.
  • 8 0
 Spent my ENTIRE life listening to Specialized tell me that Horst was the best suspension platform...What's next "proprietary is bad???" Mind blown!
  • 6 0
 Their new $13k road bike actually says "proprietary is unnecessary"
  • 2 0
 Specialized basically admitted they couldn't reliably manufacture a push fit BB to spec so the went back to threaded BB on all their carbon road bikes.
  • 2 0
 @dmondave: and ditched “aero is everything” at the same time. It’s like when bell bottoms come back...but now they charge $250/pr.
  • 1 0
 It’s not like they’ve abandoned the Horst link altogether. They’re still running it on the Stumpy EVO and Enduro.
  • 1 0
 And the alloy versions of this bike are still Horst link.
  • 1 1
 So Specialized says the flex is in the seat stay, and so does everyone in the comments. But doesn't that big bend in the chain stay a likely place for it to flex ? Sure the seat stay has to flex as well to accomodate the motion, but when I look at that frame I still see it behaving like a Horst link "pivoting" at that bend in the chain stay. That's why the alloy version with a pivot are still in the same ballpark kinematic wise.
  • 12 4
 Been lucky enough to spend some time on this machine and it is a certified pinner! Very capable and extremely lightweight!
  • 5 0
 Hmm, quick glance but I really would like to know how the alloy versions do considering the geometry seems to be a bit different. The alloy has chainstays 444mm in the low setting as opposed to 432 for the S4. Also seat tube angles quite a bit different. I for one cannot afford a carbon bike so hopefully get some info on the alloy versions.
  • 16 2
 Yup, and the Horst Link suspension on the alloy bikes. Interesting - we should get one in for a future value Field Test Smile
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy: Respect Mike this could be a game changer if the parts hold up with the demand for inexpensive trail slayers.
  • 5 0
 @mikelevy: any chance that field test will be done in the next month or so when I’m looking on getting a new bike? No? I’m sure you can squeeze it in.
  • 4 0
 @mikelevy: Value Field Test: Giant Trance X 3, SJ Alloy Comp, Polygon Siskiu T8
  • 1 0
 I am not sure what I think about the alloy frame being that different. Shouldn’t it just be a different model if the geo amd design are different from the carbon one? The status and the demo used to have the same purpose, but the all alloy, less advanced status was less expensive. They didn’t put demo stickers on a status and call it an entry level demo. This seems odd.
  • 8 0
 Looks like Specialized is making bikes for us giants again! Bravo! S6 here I come.
  • 3 1
 Careful though, that seat tube length is still super short.
  • 2 1
 @connerkuhns: Yeah, that's strange. I'd love the extra 2 cm of reach compared to my Trance X 29, but the seat tube is a full 3 cm shorter, and I could already clear a 250 mm dropper on my Trance if such a thing existed. That's a lot of exposed seat post.
  • 1 0
 But are they really? Sure they've finally varying chainstay length by size after telling us that wasn't feasible for what, 30 years? Do you really think this bike is optimized for someone pushing the limits of S6? Clearly it's meant to be as effective as possible for the M-L person and the S6 extra leverage, extra weight just means reduced durability if you're pushing it hard.
  • 8 0
 everyone watch the Cody Kelley edit its beautiful www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeRzdU3n23E
  • 2 2
 Amazeballs as usual. And most of us ride one of those trails with a bit more travel.
  • 1 0
 @WasatchEnduro: It was originally uploaded october 3rd, and with the aspen colors in Park City it must have been filmed the last week of September, so it was edited in like a single day
  • 3 8
flag housem8d (Oct 13, 2020 at 12:18) (Below Threshold)
 meh he always does the same tweak moves and mannys. overrated, im sure hes a cool guy but it gets old
  • 6 0
 It's a pity they're all so expensive, considering how nice they are. I still think that 6300 cad for an NX build is ridiculous.
  • 7 0
 Full SLX build for $4K and XO1/GX/G2 RSC for $4,700. I think its the most fair prices from one of the big brands in a long, long time.
  • 1 0
 @pedalingbobby: ah yes, i accidently mixed prices with the evo.
  • 8 1
 Speci is up to the game again !
  • 6 0
 Would love to see a version with new XT or XTR drivetrain. I know I could build one but that would cost more $$$ and time.
  • 4 0
 If only Shimano had some availability...
  • 3 0
 Ok so nobody mentioned that actually this new stumpy has shorter travel. I’m on 2019 SJ 29er which has 140/150 which in my case is actually 160 front. Anyway now we only have a short travel version (previously known as ST) and LT is only available as evo. Whatever. If I was to upgrade it would have to be evo? Don’t know
  • 2 0
 Yeah but the ‘19 ST had 67.5° HT (the LT had 65.5°). I test rode an ST and it was terrible.

I for one welcome our new shorter travel but slacker head angle overlords.
  • 1 0
 @tinnedspicedham: I know. I overforked to 160 and have ca. 65 now in my LT. Do you think that the new with prog geo and shorter travel would rip better than my with old geo and morr travel?
  • 3 0
 I hope their engineers did better job on Stumpy and Stumpy EVO than on Enduro 2020 (cracked frames on more than 5 spots, rock and mud problems on 3 areas....).

Their marketing is great but they are lacking engineering, support and warranty here in Europe....
  • 7 0
 Faux Single Rear
  • 8 2
 Whatever it is or isn't I'm not buying one.
  • 6 0
 Max tire size? 2.3 is a little narrow.
  • 2 0
 This is the bike I should buy. Already have an enduro bike... The EVO is the bike I *want* to buy.

I know this would be much better on big pedal missions but well if the EVO is only 500 grams more and I still want to shred when going downhill what's the best bike when considering having to run fairly robust tires and maybe at least a rear insert to prevent flats.
  • 3 0
 And no Pemberton LTD like version with a DHX2 and Fox 36 availabe in Europe. Fox 34 is a joke, you have to change it for a Pike or 36 which makes the investment in the new Stumpy even more expensive.
  • 4 0
 Looks like it competes with the Norco Optic given the specs and geo. Will be interesting to read comparisons
  • 5 0
 Levy hinted that the trademark mushiness is gone (let's see an antisquat graph!) and I'll bet it climbs like a demon. Stumpy +1 up, Optic +1 down.
  • 3 3
 @WasatchEnduro: You could probably have written -1 for the Optic instead haha
  • 2 0
 @alexpistachio:

I'd actually love a follow-up review from @mikekazimer on how the Optic has been doing as him main whip.

It's got low antisquat but a firm tune, would most riders benefit from a climb switch? How often is he outriding the travel?
  • 5 0
 New Stumpy looks dope. I will take an EVO though.
  • 7 2
 So is this the beginning of the end for 27.5?
  • 10 2
 Specialized seems to have completely bailed on it. Bummer...
  • 7 1
 Hopefully not. I took my daughter to look at bikes recently and the store employee put her on an XS bike with 29" wheels. It looked downright goofy and doesn't work for every riding scenario, as much as specialized and Pinkbike would like you to believe.
  • 1 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: Unless you want a mullet bike, in which case they sell the Demo, Enduro, and aftermarket link for the Evo in mullet options
  • 3 0
 Yep. In 5 years we will be back to one wheelsize again.
  • 1 0
 @SeanC1: my kid is 4'10". Getting a Liv Intrigue XS.
Good spec, 165 cranks, and not sold out until 2022 like YT.
Who also gave up on 275.
  • 4 0
 2020 is pretty pants but this is a great time for bikes! and I don't feel guilty going for rides either!
  • 4 0
 Could you possibly swap the carbon pivotless rear triangle with the aluminum one? Asking for a friend
  • 3 0
 Tell you what. I’ll buy an alloy one and swap you the rear triangles.
  • 4 0
 The bike should finally climb a bit better!!! Those Stumpy's need all the help they can get!!
  • 4 2
 Yea, actual seat angle still slack as anything though
  • 4 2
 "Specialized said the whole flex pivot thing is way more difficult to do in aluminum"

They need to talk to Salsa. They did it almost a decade ago, even with the same negative spring assist at top out.
  • 11 2
 Yeah, cuz salsa is some kind of role model when it comes to suspension design?
  • 2 0
 @thegoodflow: just talking aluminum here. Didn't say they should talk to Salsa about kinematics, just thay they know about making flex stays from aluminum alloys.
  • 4 3
 Cool bike I think but the retro suspension design kind of bugs me. I think we need more innovation there, not less. Especially for a trail bike where pedaling manners are important but you still need some DH performance. You'd think Spesh would try to create something like a DWLink rather than a single-pivot with flexstays. But I'm sure that would cost more. I'm not saying this will ride poorly but it always seems like the more rudimentary designs have a lot more give-and-take compromises than something more sophisticated.
  • 5 1
 I wouldn’t call a specific amount of flex engineered into carbon “retro” or “rudimentary”. And if you want “more performance” - go the EVO.
  • 2 1
 "and Specialized says that if you were on a medium previously, you might like the Stumpy in S3"

So they're basically saying "you'll like more reach and more wheelbase". They could have just moved all the letters up a rank and shrunk the seat tube lengths and got the same result. This new size naming scheme doesn't really change anything, it just lets them avoid adding silly letter-based sizes like M/L or S/M or whatever.
  • 3 2
 I was today years old when I realized Horst was so cocky he used his first name for his suspension design. Was Leitner take? I mean Weagle doesn’t even call his “Dave” suspension design and he’s probably the most cocky suspension guy around.
  • 7 0
 Dave’s Extra Legitimate Travel Apparatus. Delta used on evil bikes.
  • 1 1
 @chileconqueso: fair observation on the surface but his name is included in an acronym is different that calling it Dave Weagle Link. Some attempt to hide it vs Horst link.
  • 2 0
 He also has a DW Link @usedbikestuff:
  • 2 0
 Didn't see any comments about this in comparison to the the Transition Spur that rolled out with flex stays a few months ago. Similar travel and intent... Compare and contrast?
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy horst link bikes usually have pivots at each end of the chainstay, while the axle and brake both on the seatstay.
You could build a faux bar or even a lawill with your description, but simoly having rhe pivot under the axle does not make it horst
  • 1 0
 I am fairly sure Host Link is, rear pivot below and in front of rear axle, front pivot is above and behind bottom bracket.
  • 1 0
 So many sizes... But I don't understand why there is such a difference in reach with the EVO in size S3. Other sizes are about 2 or 3mm different only, but S3 is +50mm (448mm on the EVO versus 450mm). Maybe there's an error in their excel sheets.
  • 1 0
 How and why are there so many Specialized Shills on Pinkbike? This is a trend that is almost absolutely exclusive to articles about Specilized products. Even when they release something that is objectively not even that great, people will freak out and sing their bullshit praises. Brand loyalty is literally the most anti-consumer attitude.
  • 2 0
 Weird to see Specialized releasing bikes on a somewhat more traditional timetable rather than in April-May the year prior to the model year.
  • 1 0
 Wouldn’t surprise me if the ‘rona has caused all sorts of delays to their schedules.
  • 3 0
 Can I have the carbon front with the alloy rear? I'll take the 55-56 gram penalty for the better (IMO) suspension.
  • 3 1
 It will be a much bigger penalty that 56 grams if you get an alloy rear... Flex pivots have come a long way, maybe see how it rides before bashing it?
  • 1 0
 @Lokirides: not bashing the flex thing, I have a Salsa that does it in aluminum. I'm choosing the likely more active four-bar suspension over the "efficient _feeling_" single-pivot. I like the way my current Stumpy rides, especially compared to a single-pivot with similar anti-squat numbers to these new carbon ones.
  • 1 0
 Or you can just get the EVO, if you’re not concerned about weight.
  • 1 1
 If they don't adjust the stay length and flex with different sizes... does the flex and kinematics of the suspension not change with different height and weight riders?? Like won't that flex stay, flex more for someone that's 220lbs vs someone that's 150lbs?? Or do I just not understand the flex stay... and maybe it's role in the suspension system isn't affected by weight?
  • 2 0
 The Shock will be what dictates that. If someone 150lbs is running 30% sag, and the 220lb rider is also running 30% sag, the frame will be sitting in the same position, and the kinematics of the frame will not change (the damper set up will be different between the different weight riders, not the frame).
  • 1 1
 Call me maybe, but less pivots is like less hinges on door, you just do not want your door to be operated by "flex" hinge rather than classic pivot hinge, Only time and usage will show if this approach is really good..I owned 2 Stumpys and they worked well, no front triangle fail due to play in bearing housing,but we will see,,
  • 1 0
 Well not even 2020 yet, lots of companies have not even shown pictures of 2020 bikes this year yet?
But Stumpy looking better than ever, May be time to sell my evo or add a flip chip?
  • 1 1
 I think they realized that they needed completely new geometry, but were too far along in the production stream to ditch this version, so they just slapped a rear triangle together for this model year. If true, then next year's model will be a sweet mullet ride with a properly steep seat post angle and horst link rear suspension, all carbon, and well over $10k.
  • 4 0
 Mullet link?
  • 1 0
 For the 27.5 people. edit - yes, other reviewers mention it exists.
  • 1 1
 I'd like to see the clearance between a slammed and dropped seat on those 385 seat tubes models with the suspension fully compressed. Are shorter people going to have to start worrying about saddle buzz on trail bikes?
  • 2 0
 Is there any downside to flex pivots in terms of resistance to impacts and endurance?
  • 2 3
 Is there going to be any of these available or are those sold out before they were released like the EVO? LBS can't even get the EVO to sell and they are months long backorders. What a joke that you release new bikes that people can't even buy....
  • 9 0
 Welcome to 2020. Most companies are backordered for months if not sold out for the year. Not just a specialized thing.
  • 1 2
 "The idea is that you can choose a reach and wheelbase that work for you instead of saying, "The medium's seat tube is too short, so I have to go to the large.""

That doesn't make any sense. The seat tube on the medium still has potential to be "too short", except now you'd say "the S3's seat tube is too short, so I have to get the S4 or S5", which means you get a bunch more wheelbase and reach with it.
  • 5 0
 Just get a longer dropper post.
  • 1 0
 Now a bit of difficulty deciding between Epic EVO and this Stumpjumper. Any insight? I know the obvious arguments for either. Would be really nice to get a ride on both.
  • 1 2
 I don’t understand the need for S-sizing. People that know shit about bikes have been upsizing it’s downsizing for decades, it is not that difficult for someone that knows what they like. People with more money than sense that don’t know shit about biking aren’t gonna understand a geo chart or the S-sizing scheme. Specialized is turning their backs on a large portion of their customer base.
  • 2 0
 The bikes are only sold through stores which are there to help guide the customer into a correct decision. I'd hardly consider that "turning their backs".
  • 3 0
 @Filapoosis: yeah that might be taking it too far... more like fixing a problem that never existed
  • 3 1
 no horst link?!?! Blasphemy! Heresy!! where the f is my damn pitchfork?? gimme a minute.
  • 3 0
 2021: Year of the Linkage Driven Single Pivot
  • 2 0
 So the new Stumpjumper Expert costs 4700 Dollars in the US and 5300 Euros in Europe?!
  • 2 0
 Looks like they pretty much copy/pasted the geo from the current Norco Optic (medium at least).
  • 2 1
 Going for the $4000 model in Black after I sell my Ibis HD 4, HD needs a younger rider that's fit and wants to go fast DH, I just wanna ride normal.
  • 2 0
 Carbon flex points, not a big fan. Buddy already cracked his brand new Epic Evo. 4130 flex’s much better
  • 3 0
 Ugliest bike I've seen in decades!
  • 2 0
 Cannondale gives their 140/130 bike a horst link, and Specialized gives their 140/130 bike a flex pivot...
  • 5 2
 YASSS!!!!!
  • 10 9
 Cant over charge when your suspension is no longer under patent... que new design for no actual reason.
  • 1 0
 This. There is no good reason to have flex stays on a 140mm trail bike and generally outside of XC anyways. Just another possible point of failure. Especially since Specialized kinda has a history in making frames that break (previous Stumpy, previous Epic, current Enduro, ...)
  • 1 0
 Interesting that the EVO has a lower pricepoint carbon frame build than the Stumpy, wonder why
  • 2 0
 Because it doesn't have flex seat stays.
  • 2 2
 Look at the weight difference. There’s a lot less refinement there.
  • 2 0
 The seat stays look so narrow
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy I do appreciate the impersonation of me getting on a 29er bike at the end. Me being 165cm short and all!
  • 1 1
 For a little help getting your head around the geometry...
geometrygeeks.bike/bike/specialized-stumpjumper-comp-2021
  • 2 0
 I don't care for the look of the new rear suspension linkage.
  • 2 1
 Big question is, what does the new leverage curve look like? or is it still going to blow up rear shocks?
  • 3 5
 Every single "First look" edit runs between 3-5mins but unSpecialized get 10mins.. with no real change on the AL and only taking the chainstay pivot out on the carbon.
How about making more detailed vid like this for bikes that ppl are actualy excited for and brands we wanna support, not the overpriced Apple of the bike world. smh
  • 7 2
 Eeesh, I think people are excited for all sorts of bikes, Specialized or not, and regardless of if you're excited about it or not. SMH. This is an all-new frame, and "only taking the chainstay pivot out on the carbon" is worth me blabbering about for a few extra minutes.

Oh, and get ready for way too many Field Test videos that'll all be way too long on a bunch of the just-released bikes Wink
  • 5 0
 Whether you like Specialized or not, they're setting the bar for other manufacturers to compete with, so when they raise the bar, it exciting to see because it pushes everyone else that little bit harder to produce better bikes.
  • 2 0
 so Specialized is doing now what Yeti did years ago?
  • 2 0
 Suddenly don’t want a stump jumper . Flexy
  • 2 1
 I was eyeballing the Transition Spur but as a Spech fanboy this is creating some indecision for me.
  • 2 1
 youtu.be/97t7Xj_iBv0
Just in case anyone is uninformed on how common having materials bend is.
  • 1 0
 No, but older bikes did have problems if riders did not replace bearings as worn bearing slop is what caused breakages?
  • 2 1
 The New Troy Lee Paint job for Frame only is awesome.
  • 1 0
 That's not new. It's the old model.
  • 2 1
 27.5 is "small wheel" now??
  • 3 1
 Yes.
  • 5 5
 How about having reviews of bikes that the actual 95% of riders can afford.
  • 8 1
 You have a Mustang parked inside of a garage with green grass out front in Southern California. Clearly you are just speaking up for the broke people out there? And $2200 is expensive?
  • 2 1
 This isn't a review and the alu version starts at $2200.
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 Sweet, I am top 5%!
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 There is SO MUCH value content coming Smile We're also adding a value-focused video to the upcoming Field Test, and future versions might even have a budget cap of 5 or 6k. Maybe.
  • 1 1
 Yeah, was thinking about buying this for my girlfriend, the TOL model is $14,000USD, and the cheapest is $3000USD.
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 @mikelevy: I approve this idea and am strongly advocating for it. But tbh, no matter how much one loves mountainbiking, spending 5k or more on a bicycle (!) is still pretty unreasonable in the grand scheme of things, isn't it. Especially once you consider that value falls off a cliff anyways, once you go beyond the sweet spot of ~3500$. So if you guys really do decide to set a price cap, I think it should be at or around the sweet spot.
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 @BenTheSwabian: People around here will drop $70,000 on a pickup, why is $5k unreasonable? Who gets to decide what is "reasonable"? A friend of mine probably has a dozen road bikes in his garage, nothing was bought used, and the cheapest was probably $7000 (and he rides all of them). While I did get a good deal on my bike new, I would totally buy it again for the $8000+ MSRP, it is that great of a bike and I beat the shit out of it. Hell, my USED hardtail was $4000, and that was a good deal!
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 Nice Transition to flex pivot.
  • 1 0
 There are some very funny comments in Mike's write up.
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 What brand pants are you wearing Mike? Serious question.
  • 1 0
 10-year-old Volcom pants that smell funny no matter how many times they get washed.
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 @mikelevy: wear diapers?
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 still don't want a 29er
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 27#. I gotta try one and see what thaf feels like!
  • 1 0
 What a massive chain on that yello rusty machine on the background, wow
  • 1 0
 So, stumpy s works vs epic evo sworks?
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 Yo what's good though Levy? How you feelin' fam
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 Flex till it breaks ?
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 Will the drive side swing arm crack right behind the pivot like all the Horst link suspension designs I've had?
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 Time for new value trail bike test- Polygon Siskiu T8, new Stumpy, Commencal Meta TR, Kona Process 134
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 And Giant Trance X, Vitus Mythique 29 and YT Jeffsy base. That Polygon (nice bike! Love the purple) has the edge in spec's over the Giant...but Giants Maestro suspension is a fairly big step up and maybe the better base. Commencal is a 35lb tank with a coil fork and no dropper. Kona has a crappier fork. The new stumpy cheap model has about the worst specs out of all of them (coil fork included). Vitus Mythique has very nice specs for sure but pretty dated geometry sadly. YT Jeffsy base is pretty decent for 2300$ iirc...but always out of stock. I helped my nephew pick up that new Trance X and he's really liked it for Colorado. We actually found one sitting at a store and everything (which is the real battle these days). I think on paper the Trance X or Polygon Siskiu or Jeffsy win and are fairly versatile, especially the Giant.
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 @Svinyard: Was pretty interested in the stumpy but the specs just aren't there. Interestingly, the higher end models seems to have be greater value than the lower end models. Agree with most of what you said about the other bikes. Even so, bikes like the Orbea Occam H30 for example, is only $300 more than the Jeffsy Base, $200 more than the Trance X 3 and comes with Deore and a Z2. That's a pretty good value spec. There seems to be quite a few bikes in the $2000-$2800ish range right now that look appealing.
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 @Svinyard: I can't believe I forgot the Trance X. I was going to buy one last month! haha. Siskiu T8 still takes the cake for specs and geo for only $2300
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 @pumpjumpnflow: I agree about the Stumpy. The "comp' alloy model is very similar to the Siskiu T8 in geo and components, but is $900 more expensive. The Occam H30 has pretty good specs. That wasn't even on my radar when I got my new bike, but is a pretty good value! Worth looking at, for sure.
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 76* seat tube angle. Pass.
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 Still no AL frameset and STA is 3 years old slack
  • 2 1
 nice cheap colours Frown
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 Looks like a session...
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 Nice! that is hot
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 Why is it so ugly?
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 pass.....
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 1 thing is sure, that is fugly looking bike.
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 Nimbility, bitches.
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 As of yesterday I was really happy with my 2019 SJ. Today I realize I need the new model.
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