Can you believe that Specialized’s original Stumpjumper is 40 years old? That first mass-produced mountain bike doesn't have much in common with modern Stumpy, but the purpose is the same now as it was back in 1981 - to be an all-around trail bike that can do pretty much anything well.
The latest Stumpjumper is a 130mm-travel 29er (with a 140mm fork) that looks similar to its predecessor, but it's actually an all-new frame that uses a completely different suspension layout.
Stumpjumper Details• Travel: 130mm rear / 140mm front
• Wheel size: 29"
• New carbon fiber frame
• 65-degree head tube angle
• Sizes S1 - S6
• Weight: 27 lb / 12.2 kg (S-Works, S4)
• MSRP: $2,199 USD - $9,499 USD
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www.specialized.com Specialized has pared the Stumpjumper range down to just six bikes and a frameset, all designed around 29" wheels. That's right, there's no small-wheeled Stumpy in the catalog, but the new extra-small 29er offers more standover clearance than last year's 27.5" wheeled bike of the same size.
The new Stumpjumper gets 130mm of rear-wheel-travel, a 140mm fork, and all versions come on 29" wheels.
The least expensive Stumpjumpers, the $2,199 Alloy, and $3,199 USD Comp Alloy, are both aluminum frames that get the same geo as the carbon bikes but similar Horst Link rear-suspension to the previous Stumpjumper. More on that later, though.
Carbon fiber models start at $3,999 USD for the Comp, while the top of the range S-Works version we have for our upcoming Field Test series retails for $9,499 USD. That gets you a wireless AXS drivetrain and seatpost, Factory-level suspension from Fox, and Roval (Specialized's house brand) carbon wheels. All that and a bunch of other fancy things add up to exactly 27 pounds on my scale. Want to build your own dream Stumpy? The frame/shock will cost you $2,799 USD.
There are six complete Stumpjumpers to choose from, starting at $2,199 USD and topping out at the AXS-equipped S-Works bike that'll cost you a bucketful of kidneys or $9,499 USD.
The All-New Stumpy FrameThe side-arm frame design is back on the latest Stumpy, but every single tube is new and Specialized say they spent a ton of time and effort making this the lightest version yet. Much of the savings came from taking out the "lazy carbon,'' which is the stuff that was just adding grams without adding strength, and methods they learned while doing the also-new (and ridiculously light) Epic frame were put to use when creating the Stumpjumper.
No, they didn't forget a tube. The side-arm frame design is back on the latest Stumpy.
Claimed frame weight is 2,240-grams with the shock and small bits, which makes it 100-grams less than the previous Stumpy frame and 510-grams less than the also-also-new Stumpy EVO frame. Specialized has been busy lately.
Onto the details. My must-have list for a trail bike includes stuff like ISCG tabs, a threaded bottom bracket, room for a large-sized bottle inside the front triangle, and a ton of well thought out frame protection. I'd also insist that the only way internal cable routing is acceptable is if it's pass-through. Yes, there are tricks to make it easier, but I'm getting damn tired of trying to fish a shift or brake line out of a not-big-enough opening. And having to remove a bottom bracket to hook up a dropper post? That's unacceptable. Specialized agrees with my list, it seems, including the pass-through routing.
Frame details include a threaded bottom bracket and ISCG tabs, well-done internal routing, plenty of protection, and integrated SWAT.
SWAT is back, of course, and this version is said to be the lightest yet, with an internal carbon 'skeleton' of sorts that helps retain tube rigidity. There's also a spring-loaded multi-tool inside the steerer tube that pops up like you're playing Whack-a-Mole, but be ready to lend it out every time you stop - it's very convenient.
A Stumpjumper Without Horst Link SuspensionSpecialized has employed Horst Link suspension since basically forever, including every single full-suspension Stumpjumper model... But not anymore. The new Stumpy ditches the Horst Link in favor of a single-pivot layout with a linkage-driven shock, and the carbon fiber rear-end gets a flex pivot on the seatstays instead. Is it me, or does 2020 keep getting weirder?
The new Stumpy uses a single-pivot, linkage-driven suspension layout to deliver 130mm of travel via a custom-tuned Fox shock.
Let's go back and talk about Horst Link for a second, which is named after a guy named Horst but his last name isn't Link. You can tell it's a Horst layout if the rear pivot sits below the axle, and the four bars of this four-bar system include the chainstays, seatstays, rocker link, and the shock itself. Pivot locations and shock tuning mean you can't really say, ''A Horst bike ride like this," but many riders associate the design with active, forgiving suspension that can provide loads of traction. And that's what the previous Stumpy was known for.
But look at the back of the new Stumpy and, well, there isn't even a pivot at the axle. Sort of. Much like the new Epic, there’s still a “pivot” there, only it’s up on the seatstays and its a flex zone rather than a couple sealed bearings and a bunch of hardware. Specialized says this saves 55-grams over those bearings and hardware, and it likely aids in side-to-side rigidity as well.
Flex pivots aren't anything new, and are a proven way to save a bunch of weight and complications, especially on short-ish travel bikes like the Epic and Stumpy where a relatively small amount of flex is required. There are more bikes using flex pivots than ever these days, so stay tuned for an Explainer episode on exactly that.
Specialized isn't about to ditch the Horst, though, with the less expensive aluminum Stumpjumpers still using a revised version - Specialized said the whole flex pivot thing is way more difficult to do in aluminum. They also said that they've worked to make the alloy, Horst Link Stumpys ride similar to the single-pivot carbon Stumpys, but I don't have one of those on hand to confirm that claim. That said, it'd be good to include one in a value-oriented Field Test down the road.
S-Sizing and Adjustable GeometryLooking for a large? Sorry, that's now how this works and we're gonna be better off for it. While traditional sizing and long seat tubes used to lock riders into a fame size, S-Sizing sees all the frames get a ton of standover clearance that's combined with long-stroke dropper posts. The idea is that you can choose a reach and wheelbase that work for you instead of saying, "
The medium's seat tube is too short, so I have to go to the large."
Sizing runs from S1 with a 410mm reach to S6 and its 530mm reach (my S4 is 475mm), and Specialized says that if you were on a medium previously, you might like the Stumpy in S3. But you don't have to - you could go to the shorter S2 if you want a bike that's easier to toss around, or up to S4 if your trails require a bit more stability.
Let’s look at a few numbers in the low, slack setting because we all know that’s where it’s gonna end up. That gives you a 65-degree head angle and 76-degree seat angle, as well as 42mm of bottom bracket drop that puts it at 333mm high. If you want the bike a bit higher and quicker handling, the flip-chip at the clevis shock mount can be used to add have a degree and 7mm of bottom bracket height.
I've been spending a ton of time on the new Stumpjumper, since it's one of the bikes we'll be including in an upcoming Field Test. Stay tuned for those reviews a little later this year.
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$4700: Xo1/Gx1 Build Stumpjumper w/ RSC brakes, performance elite sus, alloy wheels
$6000: Fuel EX w GX, RS brakes, performance sus, carbon wheels
$5200: hightower w GX, R brake, performance sus, alloy wheels
$5500 Giant Trance 2 GX, R brake perforamnce elite, carbon wheels
These prices are extremely competitive if not the best out
But man, I don't know how you'd support that claim in MTB. There is some VERY stiff competition from other brands that cover the entire MTB spectrum.
Sure, many brands use the same contract manufacturers, but at the bare minimum, what you get with a good brand is accountability. In the most cynical sense, it's a legal entity that can be sued if something breaks, but in an ideal case it's also tighter QC specs, better in-line process control. It's the difference between a marginal part being thrown in the scrap bin or being shipped straight to costumers. With a really good brand, you'll also get additional engineering expertise—Both in the initial design, but in some cases people from the brand camped at the factory and optimizing process.
My only complaint with this article is no leverage ratio or anti-squat chart. I generally don't like bikes that use lsc to firm the suspension but I'm keeping an open mind. 2000g for the frame is amazing for a 130/140 bike.
Completely on point there salespunk until you threw in the unemployment comment, Cmon man.
I’ll be getting one of these to replace my enduro when they are finally available! Hoping that’s not 2022.
If you look at pricing in other regions, in Australia the Evo expert price is 20% higher than a Canyon Strive with X01 and Lyrik/Super Deluxe Ultimate. For only a couple of hundred more than the Evo Expert you can get a Srive with Fox Factory and full XTR...
Where these bikes are available, because it's coming into summer. Early drops ended up in Aus/NZ to their spring launch. Dealers in the rest of the world had the chance to snag some early launch bikes and have them as well. Just those late too the party are left out to dry
Relatively speaking there is a large segment of the population that takes home significantly more income on unemployment vs working right now. This means much more disposable income to buy things like bikes. This is a precursor of inflation where demand outstrips supply. There is a lot more to this story, but this is not an economics forum and I don't want to bore people.
Also It looks goofy and doesn't work well in XS and S sized frames.
But not even a mullet thustleweiner?! c'mon man.
Maybe this bike would work in the high setting w/ a 27 rear... upfork to 150 to raise the bb a few more mm, although it'd then be at 64 degrees up front.
I demoed the new Scout a few weeks back and it handled great and with no arse-wiping in the steeps like I get w/ my 29er.... it just needed a bigger front wheel! It jumped better than it rode raw singletrack.
Also there's a very good reason why dj/slope bikes are all still 26"
You can't just kill off a wheel size for the sake of innovating if it in fact serves a meaningful and preferable purpose.
Didn't Giant try to do that a few years ago? Didn't go so well for them, and they had to 180. Maybe with a smaller company it could work. Call it SevenFiver.
Really though the best way would be wheel sizes matched to frame sizes. The video says Spesh are varying frame stiffness with size to make the different frames ride similarly. Why are they then going on to give every size frame the same XL wheels? Imagine a scenario where 10 years ago all cars, Geo Metro through F-350 ran on tiny Geo Metro wheels. And now all cars, Geo Metro through F-350 run on huge F-350 wheels. That wouldn't make any sense, but it's what happened with mountain bikes. I know there are a lot of people who think this is an improvement, but my intuition tells me most of them are above average height.
Me: "nice..."
...takes a bite out of my $1 donut... as the thought sinks in... "that probably weighed 55 grams"...
You take one helluva bite out of one helluva donut!
Side note: I'll gladly finish a half dozen cake donuts after a ride as a reward... i need help.
55 of these 100g were from removing bearings and pivot hardware.
"Shut up. Pay me"
*I feel like 45g could be gained or lost just in manufacturing tolerance one bike to the next.
Fat holds 9 times its weight in water, as opposed to carbs and protein which hold about 4 times there weight. That 25 gram donut turns into 300 grams of extra you.
I wouldn't get this as a follow up to my current Stumpy.
And/or the continued industry perception that less active suspension means efficiency. I didn't see anything about anti-squat, but Levy just above said it's not as active. So they might be going with "if people pedal the carbon one around the parking lot and they feel the anti-squat and stiffness and it "feels fast", they'll shell out for the "fancy" version, regardless of whether a more active suspension with more traction is actually better for them"
As for less traction, it should be trivial to tune the shock differently to account for the carbon frame contributing some spring - run a couple of PSI less in the shock, add one click of rebound damping, done.
Yeah it doesn’t turn me off knowing the intentions of the bike. And the vast majority of customers I think will be fine. Once demo events come back I’d like to ride one.
I know flex stays have to flex only a little, but at least give the stay every opportunity to do so.
We all want small bump sensitivity from our shock. Surely such a design (brace between the SS and the CS) throws that out the window.
"Much of the savings came from taking out the "lazy carbon,'' which is the stuff that was just adding grams without adding strength" - i.e. a lot of the industrial design excess commonly seen on various brands, both mtb and road. There's obviously room for implementing a branded look across your line, but every evocative bone-line and flourish adds a couple of grams in material and a few minutes of finishing attention. Kudos to the Specialized design team for leveraging the material and their internal resources into a good-looking frame.
Is there any long-term feedback on the reliability of recent flex stay bikes?
I did crack the chainstays in the block of aluminum behind the pivot. Yeti took care of it. Quite odd, since it seems that area is overbuilt.
The one thing I am curious about is the choice of shock.
I put a Cane Creek Air IL on it and it was so much better than the Fox Factory float w/ Evol can. Like night and day.
Not sure how that regressive damping will work, but being that Trek ditched it, kinda surprised they went that way.
For 800 less you get X01/GX and top end RSC brakes. That's pretty good I'd say. Sell your wheels and pick up a set of top notch Roval Traverse SL or some other wheelset, sell this one and you're right at the old price.
It only has 2/3s of the ISCG[05] tabs. That shouldn't count. Especially since it comes with a crankset that can't natively take a bash-guard.
Killer bikes regardless!
I for one welcome our new shorter travel but slacker head angle overlords.
So they're basically saying "you'll like more reach and more wheelbase". They could have just moved all the letters up a rank and shrunk the seat tube lengths and got the same result. This new size naming scheme doesn't really change anything, it just lets them avoid adding silly letter-based sizes like M/L or S/M or whatever.
I know this would be much better on big pedal missions but well if the EVO is only 500 grams more and I still want to shred when going downhill what's the best bike when considering having to run fairly robust tires and maybe at least a rear insert to prevent flats.
Their marketing is great but they are lacking engineering, support and warranty here in Europe....
I'd actually love a follow-up review from @mikekazimer on how the Optic has been doing as him main whip.
It's got low antisquat but a firm tune, would most riders benefit from a climb switch? How often is he outriding the travel?
Good spec, 165 cranks, and not sold out until 2022 like YT.
Who also gave up on 275.
They need to talk to Salsa. They did it almost a decade ago, even with the same negative spring assist at top out.
You could build a faux bar or even a lawill with your description, but simoly having rhe pivot under the axle does not make it horst
But Stumpy looking better than ever, May be time to sell my evo or add a flip chip?
That doesn't make any sense. The seat tube on the medium still has potential to be "too short", except now you'd say "the S3's seat tube is too short, so I have to get the S4 or S5", which means you get a bunch more wheelbase and reach with it.
geometrygeeks.bike/bike/specialized-stumpjumper-comp-2021
How about making more detailed vid like this for bikes that ppl are actualy excited for and brands we wanna support, not the overpriced Apple of the bike world. smh
Oh, and get ready for way too many Field Test videos that'll all be way too long on a bunch of the just-released bikes
Just in case anyone is uninformed on how common having materials bend is.
That sounds like both alloy and carbon are not horst-link but only the carbon has a flex-pivot. Which is not true.
#neverforget #CaféRoubaix
I'll never understand these comments. If a brand doesn't change anything on a new model that's bad and people complain about it, but if they change something people complain about that as well...
I'm not saying this design is bad or even worse than FSR, it's about bold claims in the past.