Specialized to Close its Website this Friday in Support of Global Climate Strike
Specialized have announced that they will temporarily close their website in support of the Global Climate Strike on Friday, September 20th. The strike builds on "Fridays for Future" strikes, which have mostly involved students up to this point, but the Global Climate Strike is open to all and is taking place in over 150 countries around the world.
Specialized's website landing page reads "Friday isn't business as usual. We hope that you’ll join us by participating in your local community, and show that together, we can pedal the planet forward." An internal memo from founder Mike Sinyard encourages employees to participate.
 | This Friday, September 20th, Specialized will join the Global Climate Strike by closing our website leading a group ride from our global headquarters to support the youth activists driving this movement. All teammates are encouraged to ride their bikes and participate in Global Climate Strike events taking place on September 20th. I’ll be riding to Morgan Hill City Hall to join students in our community and other demonstrators, let’s ride together. Bikes are a huge part of the solution, and together, we will pedal the planet forward. |
16-year-old Swedish activist, Greta Thunberg, will lead the global movement in New York City on Friday. The second round of protests is scheduled for September 27th with an International Earth Strike. According to the website for the Earth Strike, the date of September 27th was picked because it is the anniversary of the book Silent Spring which was a catalyst in the environmentalist movement.
Hopes are that the protests will send a message to world leaders set to meet Monday, September 23 for the 2019 United Nations Climate Action Summit taking place in New York that policy needs to be implemented to combat climate change. According to Vox, the summit on the 23rd is a meeting ahead of the UN General Assembly, where countries are expected to "ramp up their ambitions to curb greenhouse gases under the 2015 Paris climate agreement."
These halls will be empty on Friday as Specialized staff are encouraged to ride or take part in the Strike.
The UN states, "global emissions are reaching record levels and show no sign of peaking. The last four years were the four hottest on record, and winter temperatures in the Arctic have risen by 3°C since 1990. Sea levels are rising, coral reefs are dying, and we are starting to see the life-threatening impact of climate change on health, through air pollution, heatwaves and risks to food security. The impacts of climate change are being felt everywhere and are having very real consequences on people’s lives. Climate change is disrupting national economies, costing us dearly today and even more tomorrow. But there is a growing recognition that affordable, scalable solutions are available now that will enable us all to leapfrog to cleaner, more resilient economies."
New York City schools, including their 1.1 million public school students are officially allowed to attend the strike without being penalized for their absence, according to the New York Times. Other companies, including Patagonia, Burton, and Specialized will be observing the day, with their websites and web stores redirecting customers to the Global Climate Strike website. Burton brick and mortar stores will serve as gathering places for those marching in protest both before and after local marches. Employees at Google, Microsoft, and Amazon are also planning on taking the day away from work in protest.
According to the UN, UN Secretary-General António Guterres is calling on all leaders to come to New York on 23 September with concrete, realistic plans to enhance their nationally determined contributions by 2020, in line with reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 45 percent over the next decade, and to net zero emissions by 2050.
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Levo’s are adding to car trips, not replacing them.
www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-warming/exxon-and-the-oil-industry-knew-about-climate-change/exxons-climate-denial-history-a-timeline
I would say E-Bikes are better in this regard compared to a conventional mtb, my trails are a 40 minute pedal on pavement away, I usually end up driving the ~15 minutes to the trailhead instead of riding my Nomad there because riding a Nomad 40 minutes on paved roads sucks ass. But if I had an e-bike and could do that pavement portion in like 20 minutes I wouldn't use the car. I imagine many are in a similar position.
I used to commute 40miles each way on a derestricted E bike, charging at work. This isn't something I could manage at my fitness level on a road bike, plus the extra comfort of 2.5" tyres helped me to put in the miles.
Honestly it was the best commute of my life - I enjoyed buzzing through the hills at 25+mph more than anything else in my day. However, I was never comfortable that I was doing something illegal - the law needs to be changed!
Yes, the mighty S could do more to reduce carbon emmisions, but so could we all, and fundamentally I agree with their standpoint - bikes and E bikes have the potential to help significantly with climate, traffic and air pollution issues.
Making bike of any kind for recreation is a waste of energy and resources and damages the earth.
We need to take drastic action. And that means sacrificing your freedom.
But in the mean time, great job Specialized for “advancing the conversation”
So I replace my diesel pickup truck with an Ebike for my weekly grocery trip. That’s cool right? Can I still eat meat? Am I allowed to wear cheap clothing produced on the other side of the world or do I have to wear recycled burlap sacks.
I’ll just not go to a website for a day and continue consuming.
Baller scientists all rolling in Lambo's 'cause they turned down the oil companies money for minimum wage federal grants. Sounds legit!
That’s where I am with the climate stuff. The way I look at it is there are tons of places in the world that are uninhabitable due to the extremely low temperatures. If it gets warmer people can live there. There are plenty of highlands where people could live if the sea level rises. Homo sapient walked all over the world from Lake Turkana. I’m pretty sure in this day and age they can move somewhere more suitable if need be. As for the more extreme climate events such as floods. Well, the human population has increased from one billion to seven billion in a little over a hundred years. I hope it doesn’t happen to me, but if a mud slide washes away six billion people then that will be of huge benefit to this planet! We’re just ants at the end of the day. You’re born, you live, you die. Not if, but when.
Still waiting for that Ice Age these same schumcks promised us back in the '70's.
BTW, it was warmer during the Renaissance than it is now. The greatest wealth redistribution scam in the history of scams.
www.earth.com/news/venus-mars-insight-earth
It's nothing about immigration from their perspective, or hating foreigners as the left wing media likes to claim at every possible opportunity.
The whole thing is f*cked. I'm not really for or against Brexit itself, but I am heavily against the way the people who wanted to stay have dug their heels in and done everything possible to prevent the will of the majority from being actioned. That is what has made our country into a laughing stock more than any other factor. Well, it's not made our country into a laughing stock because frankly, nobody outside the UK really cares about it. They've got their own shit going on but you know what I mean. There should never have been a referendum. It's completely polarised society. All the crybabies going on about how "They stole our future" etc. Give me a break. You lost the vote, accept it and move on. Oh my gosh. We as a nation need to turn the page.
It ain’t democracy if your voting on half truths and lies , and don’t start that will of the people tosh . Revoke , dump farage on a remote far island then we can all get on with are happy lives
The point they repeatedly remind me of is that all the “stupid old people who stole our future” can remember a life before the EU, whereas the 22 year old fresh philosophy graduates who think they know everything, cannot remember. That’s because they weren’t born then.
It’s a matter of respect. Respect for the outcome of the vote. Whether you agree or not, whether you think your future has been stolen (which is a pretty amusing thing to say in itself) is irrelevant.
I didn’t vote because I wasn’t in the country at the time of the vote. I would have voted to stay if I voted, but I accept the result of the vote because I’m an adult. As such, we should leave. Deal or no deal. Do what the majority voted for. We all know if the shoe was on the other foot and the majority of politicians were pro brexit, we would have left years ago.
Anyway good on spec for doing something !
And about the vegetables, I literally read that about undersized or misshapen fruit and veg on the EU website before I typed it. As it happens I was in a Greek market last month, but if I recall correctly I was too busy trying to look at tits popping out of tight tops to pay too much attention to the shape of their carrots. Let’s assume what you are alluding it is true, then it’s down to the interpretation of the terms undersized and misshapen. Perhaps they consider a 10 degree bend in a carrot to be normal, and whoever is checking on the British side thinks it’s 5 degrees, I don’t know. The point stands. Laws passed by EU politicians who were not elected by the British public must be followed by the British public. If you’re happy with that fair enough. I don’t really care either, but some people do. If those people care enough to leave the EU over it, and those people are in a majority when it goes to a vote, then that result should be respected by all grown-ups.
If you’re 46, how do you know life before the EU was shit? Were you even born when the UK got in?
Tariff free trade with eu regulations which stops countries undercutting each other and keeping certain standards .
Free movement which allows all eu citizens a chance to WORK in any eu country , with the right to evict them if not working after 3 months ( we can do that but choose not to ) ! You’re wrong to say people won’t change there minds as people always change there minds !
If we get a deal things will pretty much stay the same until the transition period ends then hopefully we would have got all the trade deals sorted ( don’t get your hopes up ) , however if we leave with no deal (which shouldn’t happen since parliament won that Grieve amendment which made it illegal to not ask for an extension ) , it will be a disaster for all sorts of reasons , even the government states this in the yellowhammer papers ! Some say it’s a worst case but Michael gove was grilled about it and said it was what is expected not worse case !
Check out The Netflix film “ the great hack” even watch the trailer to see how these tech companies have fouled and brainwashed the public into a mindset so as to take advantage of !
Both sides didn’t lie , the remainers stated predictions that might happen then worked like dogs to stop them happening ! The leavers made up facts like the whole of Turkey will be coming here , £££££ to the nhs , staying in the single market and free trade , trade deals would be the easiest thing in the world etc etc !
Mate I wasn’t born during ww2 but I know about it ! Ps hope u weren’t dropped on the head lol
How about the vote though. Don’t you think the outcome should be respected, even though you don’t agree with it?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLp7LtXmy68
Soil Searching was a good idea. Trail advocacy is important; it connects people to so many elements of our community. It stimulates ideas. While others are doing it and have been doing it for a while, Spesh are pushing it.
Now this. Not what I expected.
I wrote in my last piece that if you want to go down this route as a brand, you need to go deeper than just superficial marketing campaigns. They seem to be working towards that with looking at supply chains, advocacy, recycling programs and more within their brand.
We know bikes aren't carbon neutral, and I think we need to look at a circular lifespan for products rather than the linear model we currently follow, but we need to start somewhere. The change is too slow, but it always was, and will be, where humans are concerned. So we have to keep going, chipping away.
Time will tell, but so far, good on ya Spesh. Now let's make product lifecycles longer.
There is a lot of self righteous sanctimony preached on here (not by you here btw!) where they expect the likes of spesh to simultaneous do both the above. Big firms suck, small firms make weird bikes that cost too much. In the PB comment land if you run a bike brand you are dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t.
They have a responsibility to staff, consumers, environment and they have a much larger and complex picture to look at than just “change this, change that” mindset .
Everyone hates talking about sustainability in economic terms, but to do what Patagonia do, you need a healthy balance sheet, otherwise it all goes to crap and you get sweet FA accomplished.
Definitely can’t please everyone, but all in all, they are trying to shift position and I give them credit for that.
Having no idea about it I just hope that LBS can continue and be allowed to offer skilled service at fair rates. I’ve been in two this week and find the service side invaluable, as well as the craic. Can’t forget that.
Just because you care about the environment does not make you good for the environment. Building bikes that are designed to last longer (component to component) would do a lot more good for the planet than this stunt.
People need to pick their head up and parse through the bullshit, which is rife especially in the non-motorized "outdoor industry".
The Problem is: People want the newest stuff.
Are you any less happy with a Speci Enduro from 2014? I dont think so.
Lot of people here change bikes anually- stupid consumerism needs to stop.
Same goes for cars- people lease their BMWs/Mercs and dont give a f*ck after they got a new one.
If you ride a bike (in the UK where it rains 180 days of the year) and ride it in anger you can probably get 4 years out of it. Maybe 5 or 6 if you are super careful with bearings. There is some assumption that bikes can take everything we can throw at them but in reality every time you ride one (in anger) you will stress the frame, increase the likelihood of a crash or dent and wear all the drive train / moving parts. I am no josh bender but most of the bikes I have owned (with the exception of my most recent trail bike) have cracked in the end, or got to a point where the enjoyment of riding them is offset by the need to constantly replace parts (see secondary environmental impacts of buying new tyres, wheels, chains, mechs, brake pads, brake oil all of which are technically consumables too).
I think people forget how much of a pasting modern mountain bikes take every time they go out, its like comparing a normal car with a WRC car. If you want to reduce environmental impacts really don’t ride one cause you will always be wearing something out,
Certainly don’t do uplifts or use chair lifts, or drive to any riding venue. In summary buy a road bike or go swimming (fun times!)
Just dont buy new bikes (or other materalistic goods) so frequently.
I don't mean to imply you must have the newest stuff to be a part of the sport. I am however suggesting most mountain bike products we use today are by and large not built for the long haul. This, more than any one part of the sport, is contributing to a much bigger environmental impact than it should be.
I am lucky to ride everyday. Most products I use are relegated to the trashcan in under 100 days.
Fork uppers that creak, stanctions that see the anodizing wearing away within 4 months of riding, chains that are good for ~1000 miles, bearings that go out after a summer, freehub bodies that explode, tires that cut bla bla bla
I'd happily take 2 pounds in the name of real durability, but I do not think we'll see it (my bike weighs 36 pounds as it sits btw).
There are products that last and are easy to fix. One that comes to mind is the set of Santa Cruz wheels I've put thousands of miles on, even relacing one as the spokes had fatigued. This wheelset saved me numerous new wheelsets.
I know, I know "go ride a singlespeed steel hardtail Jeff!"
You'd still be missing my point if this is what you are implying. I want us to ride cool shit. I just want more attention to fixability, durability and sustainability before we all act as though our human powered ways are holier than thou compared to other two wheeled sports.
How about shopping and watching Ms. yoga in her namaste shirt and yoga gear buying some chicken that is wrapped in plastic and styrofoam then puts it into the plastic bag so she doesn't get her special hands a little juicy(watched this last week), or at said grocery store and bagger asks if I want my meat wrapped in plastic before she puts it into my canvas bag? No....it's ALREADY wrapped in plastic!
It's never ending on how little people actually look outside their bubble to realize their own impact.
I have had a social awareness most of my life and always will, but, I've recently let go of any idea that there will be any change...the amount of giant lifted trucks in my area tells me enough that most people simply don't care. And if you've traveled enough you see it even worse in many places. Just enjoy the ride and be the best human you can be!
They are building coal fired power plants at a rate faster than any other time, to build products for you. Utah is building an "inland port" to be an easier method to ship coal to Asia(mostly China) so they can generate more power TO MAKE MORE PRODUCTS FOR YOU. Yea, lets move the problem so we can buy credits to pretend we're green.
One of the main reasons it's cheaper to make things there is that their environmental laws and labor laws are extremely lax. Try to anodize a part in the US or Eu for example and you'll find the costs to be several times higher because they can't dump their effluent into the river.
Ever been to a battery factory in China? Nastiest places on earth.
Shipping if it was a country is the 6th largest contributor to CO2 emmissions and is mostly unregulated.
How about don't drive your car to go for a bike ride?
Buy things made in Europe or North America where there are regulations.
Hey Specialized, what about all the waste packaging you produce that goes directly into landfills? Every single product you make is over packaged with plasticized papers and foams that aren't recyclable in any reasonable way. Every tshirt or piece of clothing you sell is packaged with plastics that are thrown away before the consumer even sees it.
These kind of feel good measures take the focus away from the real problems. Some of us aren't fooled by your greenwashing.
The fact that China had to do all this to try and clear the air for the Olympics says it all.
www.nbcnews.com/id/25744299/ns/beijing_olympics/t/beijing-begins-massive-olympic-shutdown/#.XYJCjn8pBAI
Biggest greenwashing company by far is Patagonia. Check us out heli skiing! Check us out flying to Tahiti then taking a boat to a cool break to surf, but we're so green because we drink kombucha. Check us out driving our fashionable #vanlife that gets 8 miles to the gallon to drive to Moab every weekend to go climbing!
They got a huge tax break, and instead of opening a super clean factory in California where they're based, they just sent it to lobbyists to make sure everyone else solves the problem. The amount of waste in the garment industry dwarfs anything the bike industry. Not my fault, I gave money to a lobbying group! California has the highest environmental rules of just about anywhere, so they could have done something to make an actual difference.
But the profits of making things in Asia then shipping them all the way across the world are just too good. Hey look, we care! Marketing really works.
Now if they said we are closing all their offices and manufacturing plants down once a week for a year...maybe that's a better start.
Seems like a bunch of hoop-la
LOL
That method helps save the world too....
Hang on - "Where you can go further and ride more".
"Its you but better".
"Smashing through the restriction and limits of the environment"
Manufacturing bikes with motors, advertising pristine riding adventures, sponsoring and backing global jet setting competition based race teams, push based manufacturing and unit cost driven profit models.
The unfortunate truth is of course that the industry, racing and next season upgrades for insignificant standards, what we do for recreation even are the reason for the impending demise.
The proposed solution here is a green wash, designed to appear to position on the side of the solution rather than contributing to problem.
How about instead w have a mandated global standard of products. Clear and supply chain verified, at the sticker point of retail, including all points of waste including marketing on its lifecycle.
"This bike required xxxx kW of energy to manufacture. This bike required xxxx inputs of aluminium equivalents. This bike required x, y and z of known green house and solvents, chemicals and known cancer causing agents.
This bike has a Tier 1, 2 and 3 emission profile, including maintenance and support over its lifecycle (global standardised assumptions around maintenance and failure requirements for all parts"
Then lets see how green we all are.
This proposed closure diminished the seriousness and impact Specialized plays in the global environment as part of its core business model.
And none of this "eBikes replace cars and so are overall net beneficial" coz last time I looked developed world is not riding its way to environmental harmony on a LEVO.
It is of course us that are the problem, and our demands for our recreation on our terms in the environment that is the problem. Global warming, natural and man made climate oscillations - take it off the table for a second.
Immediate impact on pristine environments, flying to ride and recreate, making commercial trail centres and bringing the populous and more and more of it, reducing the natural barriers to distance and human ability into previously unspoilt nature for PROFIT and FUN. That's the issue.
www.specialized.com/us/en/carbon-fiber-recycling-program
The other brands should follow Specialzed's exemple!
Two very, very different countries. Though the POS commies will do everything in their power to dissuade everyone of that that notion.
They (Taiwan) have made great progress in tackling environmental issues over the past 20 years, including water, air pollution and electronic waste management. They had some issues back in the late '80 & '90 with wild, unchecked industrial growth but have done very well bringing things back into balance.
Spec Sept 21: You're old pedal bike is a piece of old shit, put it in the dump, here buy this new super carbon double battery ebike!
That's half a billion tonnes of CO2 every year !
Buying a new home? Yes let's boast about the square footage and value. How much fossil fuel to heat up your large impressive home?
Plastic is used in almost every thing. Plastic is made from crude oil.
We're f*cked. Why? too late to ask that question.
Ride you f*cking bike people!
Isn’t it reseller of made in china bikes??
I mean, students - ok, they just don't want to spend time at school and learn anything, but others?
2. Wild spaces, forests, etc are growing. There are more trees in North America today than the 1600s. Breakthroughs in agriculture, esp. GMOs, is allowing for far less land to be cultivated and still produce ever increasing crop yields. This is the main drive behind the expanse of wild spaces.
3. Once countries become developed, they start eating less meat. This combined with cultural shifts, new technology like the Impossible burger, and GMOs make our reliance on animal products less and less every year.
4. There are more polar bears today than 30 years ago.
5. Al Gores frequent predictions on polar ice, sea ice, mountain glaciers, sea levels, sea flooding, Florida, LA, and San Fran being underwater, etc have all failed to materialize in his "best case" timeframes.
6. Paul Ehrlichs many, many, many claims of food shortages, starvation, habitat destruction, population explosions, etc have never materialized. He made these claim repeatedly for 50 years and was always breathtakingly wrong.
7. As countries become fully developed, they emit less CO2, produce less plastic waste that ends up in oceans, less methane, and generally pollute less.
So what exactly is Specialized striking for?
Of course we still have problems and challenges, but this is literally the best time in human history to be alive. Until just a few years ago (2015, I think) the #1 cause of death from pollution was from burning biomass indoors for heating and cooking, NOT from carbon manufacturing or someones SUV. We are literally living in a golden age where within a decade or two we will see the complete elimination of global poverty and hunger, and a time of prosperity where someone living below the poverty line in the USA lives better than the 1% from 50 years ago.
2. According to the North American Forest Commission, we have roughly two thirds of the trees we had in 1600, most certainly not more. This has only gotten better in the last 60 years due to people realizing the devastation in deforestation.
3. GMOs are never a good solution for growing food. Permaculture is the appropriate long term solution.
4. Polar bear populations have decreased by approx. 22% according to US Fish and Wildlife.
5. Al Gore is not a scientist and is only a public figure that brought education of climate change to the masses. No reason to bring up anything about him.
6. Claims from 50 years ago have not much to do with the science community now. Technology has come so far in the last 50 years, and almost nothing is the same. The difference is now there is proof because of all of the research done on the topic.
7. That’s pretty much the opposite of how emissions go with development. China, India, and even the U.S. are great examples of that. Emissions always increase dramatically with development. Partisan politics and greed have historically kept emissions from decreasing at the rate they should.
1. Water quality is immensely healthier than it was 100 years ago, 200 years ago and 300 years ago. The Thames river used to flow with so much human sewage that the smell could be detected for miles. Cholera and other waterborne illnesses are on the decline globally and virtually unheard of in developed nations: humanprogress.org/dwworld?p=524&yf=1990&yl=2015
2. North America had fewer trees in the 1600 than today, but more importantly the land that has returned to a forested state is growing and growing
www.fia.fs.fed.us/library/brochures/docs/2000/ForestFactsMetric.pdf
3. GMOs are the gold standard for improving human nutrition while reducing environmental impacts. Humans have been making GMO foods for at least 10,000 years. There is literally 0 evidence of any negative health impacts from any GMO foods. imgur.com/gallery/KBZta
4. According to the WWF, and the US Fish And WIldlife, polar bear populations in the 1970s were estimated between 7,000-10,000. The current estimates range from 21,000-31,000.
5. Al Gore drives political policy, which affects all of us.
6. Paul Ehlrich has won:
The United Nations Sasakawa Environment Prize, 1994
The 1st Annual Heinz Award in the Environment (with Anne Ehrlich), 1995[
The Tyler Prize for Environmental Achievement, 1998
The Dr. A. H. Heineken Prize for Environmental Sciences, 1998
The Blue Planet Prize, 1999
The Eminent Ecologist Award of the Ecological Society of America, 2001
The Distinguished Scientist Award of the American Institute of Biological Sciences, 2001
Ramon Margalef Prize in Ecology of the Generalitat of Catalonia, 2009.
These prizes are not from 50 years ago, and he continues to make predictions that drive political policy, and that affects us all.
7. China and India are not developed yet. The USA and nearly all Western countries have reduced their CO2, CFCs, and other ODS emissions over the last few decades, despite growing populations.
There simply isn't any scientific, observable evidence to suggest the world is becoming less fit for human habitation. All evidence pretty much points to the opposite.
Again, most of what you are saying is misleading at best. One can certainly see the partisan twist you put on all of those subjects. There is no room for partisan politics in an effort to help save the planet from greedy capitalists that put money before the health of everyone on earth.
If you line up all the countries on the planet, from the most socialist to the most capitalist, then you lined them up again from the most polluting to the least polluting per person, it would virtually be the same line. Calling capitalists "greedy" and implying that socialism isn't requires ignoring the 20th century. The worst environmental catastrophes in the history of humanity has been committed by Socialist governments, not the free market.
There are studies out there that show you are incorrect about socialist countries as well. India and the U.S. are two of the three worst per capita, with China in the mix with communism. You mean the capitalism in our country that consists of lobbyists ignoring human rights and health while also practicing communism and corporate socialism is not greedy?
I have a little Mexican take away. Should I just close my doors and put 8 people out of work because my beans cause my customers to create methane gas? I will be closed tomorrow, on my biggest day of the week. It will probably cost me $1500-2000 and my employees won’t get hours. But I will spend that time meeting with our mayor and politicians to pressure them to make a bigger change than I can.
Good on you specialized.
Be like Greta! Woo!
Why cant nobody believe that she does it because she cares? Greta dont have any corporate backing with hidden agendas.
By the way, going to get some new carbon handlebat, what to choose - renthal or syncros?
www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-warming/exxon-and-the-oil-industry-knew-about-climate-change/exxons-climate-denial-history-a-timeline
Now they’re using a 16 year old girl to push their agenda. It’s beyond sick.
This is exactly what happens - m.youtube.com/watch?v=3WbGVAo1hyQ&t=1508s
Not easy to get a grant to do research that goes against the consensus. That word is kind of funny, amazing how climate change fans have to us it. Science doesn't depend on consensus. You can have a consensus of 99.9% of all scientists and they can still be wrong.
Just a really simple example- at one point there was a 99.99% consensus among scientists that the earth was flat.
Who’s they? This is the dumbest sh!t I’ve heard in the last 20 years.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IpYOF4Hi6Q
As said above, one of the disastrous aspects is the focus it removes from genuine ecosystem collapse caused by habitat loss and solid/liquid pollutants. Species cope very well with Co2 variation. Any visit to a commercial greenhouse where they pump in 3x atmospheric Co2 concentration to increase plant health will tell you that.
Maybe the climate is warming, (although the tampering of thermometer locations to skew results is rampant) we’re in an interglacial period after all. However, Co2 as a driver for atmospheric temperature, especially the 0.04% anthropogenic contribution is an absolute joke.
But on a less serious note (because it doesn't matter at all at this point): you really believe that the human race pumping out massive quantities of what for all intents and purposes is a waste product (which through experience are generally ALWAYS good for our environment), whose production due to, amongst other things, overpopulation (I guess 8 billion+ people breathing all the time aren't helping, but hey, we've never had this many folks here, ever) and a complete lack of regulation (or concern) has skyrocketed since the industrial revolution, while said populus at the same time removes more and more of those things that clean that stuff from the air, has had and will have absolutely no effect on the temperature/climate/weather of our "planate" and the pace it's happening which has never before been historically recorded nor proven through scientific investigation?
Well, ok then. Fair enough.
Look I can also do internets
Ya see. Science, before climate change, wasn’t a religion that couldn’t be challenged. Now we see terms like “denier” as if someone who disputes the anthropogenic global warming is akin to a holocaust denier. It’s so clearly a political movement at this stage with it’s child demigod at the top. If it tells you one thing it’s how easily the masses can be manipulated which ironically goes much further to explain the holocaust.
As Feynman said,
It’s depressing and maddening.
Fair enough; people are easily controlled by money, and there's bias in everything due to that (and many other factors, including your business, your job, location, your friends and family), but not being able to admit to the possibility that human activity influences climate change (or vice versa) in any measurable way is simply partisanship, which is incredibly boring and at the same time regression. I wholly admit that natural occurrences in our planets climate could also be a major contributing factor, but to say without any shred of doubt of one's opinion that something doesn't exist because of things you read or believe, is pure ignorance. But I could be wrong.
Aside from that what would be the goal? That we recycle more? Pollute less as a society? Try to stop the extinction of species due to degrading habitat? Well that'd be terrible, we need the space, after all. Surely it can't just be those evil scientists trying to get their hands on those trillions in grant money.
Sure. The economic shift would benefit lots of folks, but it would be a fairly definitive disadvantage for those who currently control consumer markets (we're going with your assumption here, that money=influence=power=control). I have to ask: what would be the goal?
My opinion on the matter still lies in the grey. I believe in cause and effect so for me it seems pretty clear that the cause is our never-ending more more more attitude and the effect is everybody's f*cked.
Man made climate change is the myth, one that governments have found is a very effective way to tax more and more money out of people in the name of saving the poor children.
We are not going to see any real affects for a loooonnggg time but there is nothing we can do to stop it or slow it.
we just have to accept that we are possibly going to go extinct because of it at some point in the future just like 99.9% of every species that ever existed has.
TL;;DR we can't win so why try.
look at history prior to the last 200 years or so rather than relying on the very selective data that the climate change cultists endlessly regurgitate. we will almost certainly find a way to wipe our selves out way before NATURAL climate change gets to the point where we cannot manage it.
After reading the comments, I'm glad to see that there are still some people who aren't drinking the "Climate Emergency" Kool-Aid.
The entire neo-liberal economic dogma (ie factor proportions theory) that supported this move was not subtle. It was based on a motive to exploit the lack of environmental regulations, health and safety regulations, and living wage that the overseas production enabled them to increase their profit margin. Thus, directly playing a role and contributing to the crisis they are now allegedly protesting.
If they really cared about climate change, maybe they work to reduce emissions in the manufacture and distribution of their bicycles. But since all that production is outsourced (ie externalized) they can just lift their hands in the air and say "it is out of our control"
Donald Trump plans to show up with a dumptruck full of coal and light it on fire in front of the UN.
1. go to globalclimatestrike.net,
2. take Friday off to attend a strike in our city,
3. attend,
4. then spend the rest of the day riding.
We have essentially put our earth into a microwave oven.
To blame individual people for this problem is what the globalists want, so some day they can charge you for the air you breath in a hotel room. if you think thats nuts then you need to look up quotes from the guy who received the Nobel prize with Al Gore.
Students don't organize besides a bake sale. This has George Soros written all over it and brainwashed people think they are doing something by protesting Co2? so stupid. our exhaust is not a waste product hurting the world,. co2 is plant food.
Specialized caught up in this new world order "politically correct" cheerleading BS. get real guys.
Whilst every other industry is working to decrease their environmental footprint the bike industry are going hell for leather trying to increase theirs.
For example where are all the resources going to come from that go into the batteries, from mines. (Also applies to vehicles) then there is the fact of where does the leccy come from to charge these batteries, if we all go over to leccy vehicles solar and wind isn’t going to cut it so it will require more power stations.
That’s before we even get into the black hole that is the industries carbon fibre waste.
Of course not.
Will they stop making carbon frames? No
Reminds me of the Honda 'Helpful' commercials where they concoct bullshit scenarios where they pretend to 'help' people.
People are dieing everyday day from things that are not even related to climate change. Worry about all those deaths and solve those important issues.
poop and pee all over the city's. Ban straws but hand out free needles to do drugs with. Your more likely to get murdered in a robbery or killed by a drunk driver then you are of being killed by climate change.
How many people die on the side of the road riding specialized? Why not work on driver awareness??
The carbon bikes they keep pumping out good for the health of our plant?
How about the batterys in there ebikes?? What was the cause of climate change before humans?
Bringing homelessness up as a way to discredit global warming shows you have no legitimate knowledge on this subject and just anger against liberals. Everybody dies when global warming turns into runaway global warming, so your questions are just dumb.
You clearly stay at home and watch cnn exclusive!!!!
And no I'm not a trump supporter,
I dont even vote. I could care less who is president weather it be a Democrat Republican
If we cant take care of our own, like the homeless and drug addicts then we are truly f**k.
All you seem to care about is yourself,
You clearly are afraid you going to die because of global warming or your kids will. As long as the homeless people and drug addicts dont affect your life you dont care. All about you and your life. You cant have a conversation with someone like an adult, you would rather work your way around and be little a person. Your part of the problem.
Conversation has died and I'm right and your wrong is the new way we talk with each other.
Keep up your attacks on people you disagree with, sure it makes you feel morally superior.
The 'climate change' people refer to is actually the human effect on the planet. It's not "climate change" as in humans physically being able to stop/alter our environment. Here's the deal, climate change has been happening for millenia (ice ages come and go), it's also historically a very abused subject by politicians for their own gain.
Can we reduce the effect we as a species have on this planet? Yes. Can we stop "climate change"? f*ck no. Mother nature is unstoppable. Try it and die.
Nature naturally seeks balance, hot and cold, low pressure and high pressure, nature seeks equilibrium. Thus, when the balance is sufficiently upset, nature will once again create balance by killing off excess population.
Which leads me to believe the common hype over carbon this, carbon that is nothing other than fabricated bollocks to line someones pocket....
Carbon Dioxide is plant food. Have an issue with rising levels? Plant more trees, stop clear cutting forests.
Wether she has done it all by herself or „only“ acted as a spokesperson doesn’t matter to me as long as there will be a change in public thinking in the end.
But anyways, you aren't better than everyone else. Stop trying throw blame at others. We're all in this together and it'll get figured out.
that is funny, really really funny!
Thank you!
I'm sorry but people in other countries who are concerned about climate change have every right to shit on the US right now, we are a disgrace when it comes to the issue.
My Megane 1.6l does not have the same impact than any car/camper/caravan you ride in your country. I went last year and visited Canada, I was shocked and depressed by the size of all your cars and everything in general, aircon running full steam everywhere too. Heck my van in which I travel the Alps is a "small" 2.5l diesel and is well enough for everything, why do you need bigger ?
@powderturns: if you are not aware check the lin above. Sure my way of expressing might offence some snowflakes but why would I care when the whole north american continent doesn't give a crap about the future of the rest of hearth habitants ?
According to Google.
A noble idea to be sure but how do you propose they live moving forward?
Why can’t we invest in technology and look for solutions to pollution and environmental degradation instead of lowering our standard of living like you Euros want to do.
In Europe you want to get rid of all cars. Here in America we made the Tesla.
Different means to the same end.
One one side we have a bunch of kooks stockpiling guns afraid the gubbmint is going to take their freedom. The we have people like you on the other side who WANT the government would take everyone’s freedom.
Explains a lot about the world these days.
If you live in a society, your action have repercussion so you have to make concessions.
So you see freedom can accomplish great think not only fast food, guns and trucks. What is sad is that you guys have the freedom and power to do this too but you prefer not to because you are not willing to make an effort for a concept that will not benefit USA directly. You are a big nation and this type of changes would make much more impact than even if France was to disappear all of a sudden but you are not willing to make an effort. What's even more stupid is that you don't do it because you won't benefit from it on the short term, but ironically you will be as f*cked as any of us when the planet will he dead.
ahh...c'mon, man, they still think Tesla is 'eco-friendly' thing, don't ruine their dreams..
No seriously, trees are suffering of hydric stress, I could notice dying trees in July, with plenty of green leafs on the ground. I asked the forest keeper, he said some pine trees do not resist very much the droughts.
Same shit happened in the nearby Vosges in France:
www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2019/07/24/la-secheresse-et-la-canicule-deciment-les-forets-francaises_5492869_3244.html