Spotted: Clemens Kaudela is Riding a New Manitou Dorado at Darkfest

May 21, 2021
by James Smurthwaite  
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Photo: DarkFest

Clemens Kaudela has been spotted riding a new Manitou Dorado fork at Darkfest.

The Dorado is Manitou's double crown fork and was known historically for its upside-down design and loud graphics. Manitou re-introduced the fork with a carbon version in 2009 then shortly followed it with an aluminium version in 2010. The fork has remained largely unchanged since then, apart from the introduction of a 27.5" version in 2013. Despite it seemingly being an older fork, the Dorado was still being raced as late as 2017 under riders such as Ed Masters and Reece Wilson as part of the Bergamont Factory Team. It also retained its cult status among privateer racers who swore by its performance despite its age.

Now, in 2021, it looks like an update is on the horizon for this venerable fork. Clemens Kaudela has been spotted using one with updated graphics at Darkfest by the Vital forumites and we've since had confirmation from Manitou that the fork is a new update. The brand wouldn't tell us any details about the ins and outs of the fork just yet but it did tell us that the version Clemens is riding won't be the only one we see come launch day.

Bergamont Straightline 29
The Bergamont team ran the former Dorado fork with 29" wheels at Fort William in 2017.

So, what can we expect from this fork? Well, from the outside it looks like the inverted design remains and although we can't see the stanchions, we will be interested to see if they will remain at 36mm. The big change we expect will be the inclusion of a 29" version. The previous version of the Dorado could pretty easily be run with a 29" wheel as there is no arch on the fork but we understand it had to be run at 180mm due to clearance issues.

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The only other change we can see seems to be in the adjustments. Previously the dials were silver but now it looks like they are black and reshaped. Does this point to some new internals as well? Unfortunately we'll have to wait until the fork launches officially to find out.

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96 Comments
  • 139 0
 But, but, but, how does it possibly withstand rotational torque from some idiot putting the wheel between his knees and turning the bars to demonstrate twisting???
  • 38 0
 Can't pass the parking lot test, DOA
  • 80 1
 Not interested, my jumps are way bigger than the Darkfest ones. I need a proper stiff fork.
  • 2 6
flag AlanMck (May 22, 2021 at 2:50) (Below Threshold)
 When the Dirt team ran this fork (which wasn't for that long if I recall correctly) they had crowns made in an attempt to make it stiffer. Countless attempts at an USD DH fork have failed. Similarly in motorcycle trials, conventional forks remain the norm. I used to have a Dorado, lovely internals mind you.
  • 3 0
 @AlanMck: the Honda G-Cross team were famously hamstrung by their choice of suspension fork.
  • 1 5
flag AlanMck (May 23, 2021 at 0:00) (Below Threshold)
 @GrandMasterOrge: yea I could imagine that actually. It's a fine fork for freeride and for the average punter, but there is a reason that this, the DVO inverted design, and the BOS inverted design are not used at world cups.
  • 2 0
 @AlanMck: I have the DVO emerald inverted fork and it’s great. I’m just an average rider and I honestly don’t notice any problems from the flexing. But I’m not putting the same types of forces into it as a high level rider would.
  • 11 1
 @AlanMck: that reason is more likely the riders are not sponsored by DVO or Manitou...just like the enduro racers
  • 2 1
 @Cambor: I think the point is that when sponsored riders for DVO, like Gutierrez, have a choice, they seem to choose the RSU forks over the USD.

In a discussion about this elsewhere on pb, DVO themselves commented and made it seem like their RSU fork was chosen for weight reasons (their inverted fork is heavy), and that they had something coming new. This was a few years ago, so idk if it will happen.
  • 3 1
 @AlanMck: how many riders are sponsored by those brands? Zero? I thought so... When velosolutions DH team was sponsored by BOS they were using obsys forks, just like when bergamont team was racing they were running dorados (as pictured above). Surprisingly, they weren´t holding them back it seemed.
  • 1 0
 @Mondbiker: What! Brendan openly talked about the issues with his suspension that year and his results fell off a cliff, and Giant used DVO and opted for the conventional fork option.
  • 1 0
 @GrandMasterOrge: Oh Really? Never once heard that. Do recall the riders raving about the suspension though...
  • 3 0
 @downhillnews: Sorry that was sarcasm.

One of the most successful downhill teams ever on a bike that seemed to have no faults (at the time), they had a works suspension unit made specifically and only for their DH program and it was USD, which suggests someone who knew what they were on about thought it was a good platform.
  • 90 6
 How can it be good if it is not orange and doesn't say Fox on it?

- the Bandwagon
  • 33 1
 Don't forget the weird gold that does not go well with anything besides black
  • 7 32
flag dark-o (May 21, 2021 at 11:39) (Below Threshold)
 Doesn't matter if it's good when the qc sucks like Manitou's
  • 5 0
 @daweil: how dare you, im so offended. it goes with black AND matte white, which is about 99.99999% of bikes
  • 1 0
 If norbraten used them back in the day then they must be doing something right
  • 51 0
 Kudos for giving credit to "Vital forumites"
  • 22 0
 They're also key to a well-balanced breakfast.
  • 2 0
 one guy also pointed it out in the PB comments
  • 34 0
 I have no need for a DH bike or fork currently, but happy to see the Dorado get a refresh. One of the better feeling DH forks I've ridden.
  • 27 0
 Smurf: “… from the outside it looks like the inverted design remains…”

I’d say that’s more than apparent!

This awesome. Love my Dorado.
  • 7 0
 DORADOOOOOES... assemble!!!
  • 1 0
 @altron5000:This Dorado fork is inspired by the XC.
  • 24 0
 We need dorado SC!!!!!
  • 2 0
 I'd love one of those for my collection. But owners do not sell.
  • 19 0
 The Milluminatou will be camped outside Kazimer's house with their pitch forks awaiting his review...
  • 8 1
 No one will be hurt if he takes the time to set it up properly this time...

...and maybe an emotive "See me! I'm just like you!" speeches in front of the rabble.
  • 6 0
 An angry mob throwing setup guides at reviewers!
  • 12 0
 Would be awesome to have an update to an already excellent fork. Been on one for a while and it just works. High quality intetnals. IRT works really well and is what the other companies are switching to. None of that volume spacer b.s. From the pic, it looks like the high speed compression and TPC adjusters on bottom of the fork look unchanged. And the top looks the same other than the caps that thread into the stanchions. Always been a blue rebound dial on the right and black air cap on the left so those look the same. The caps themselves though now look black instead of silver. Possibly they updated to use a BB or cassette tool to loosen/tighten, whereas before it was a vey large wrench. Internals could be updated too, but will have to wait and see!
  • 15 0
 Long Live the DORADO
  • 14 0
 Never rode one but love them lol. Glad the new version is here
  • 2 0
 haha same
  • 11 0
 I guess ignorance is bliss as I ran a 29er on my Dorado fork with no issues at full travel. Great fork though, good customer service, and I'd gladly buy another one.
  • 3 0
 Don't know the exact measurements, but if you have a short headtube and a drop-crown (i.e. bottom crown is at the top of the flats) you're probably in safe territory.
  • 2 0
 There wasn't much in it. The 2019 boost version had extended room for the crowns to slide up so you could fit run a 29" with factory approved tyre clearance. Those were pretty rare.
  • 12 0
 They will be 37mm stanchions like the Mezzer. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise.
  • 6 0
 New crowns and looks like more adjustment room for the lower crown. The old dorado didn't really leave much room for improvement, It was already such a high performance, and quality built fork. I don't think much would have been changed inside, unless they went with a sealed damper this time around.
  • 5 0
 Kind of incredible the last chassis was released in 2009 and only had minor internal updates.
  • 5 0
 There was a 2019 Dorado update which gave it 29" capacity at the full 200mm travel (just slide the crowns between 27" and 29" positions) and also boost spacing on the front axle. But not many people know about that one.

Clemens Kaudela has a great instagram video up whipping and flipping this new one.
  • 5 0
 Holy shit I want this new one bad!
  • 8 0
 Why has the front wheel on the Bergamont got two valves?
  • 8 0
 i think it's some cushcore scheme, the inner tube is at like 5 bar or something
  • 8 2
 Schwalbe had an early tire insert that was inflated to a super high psi inside a tubeless setup to protect the rim. It didn’t work great.
  • 2 0
 That's an excellent question that needs answering! Is it some sort of inflatable liner?

(P.S. I'm impressed with your powers of observation.)
  • 4 0
 Schwalbes procore system. Used to be hot stuff
  • 1 1
 @Jimmy0: procore does not look like that. It's one valve that has two positions to choose between the inner and outer air chamber. This has to be something different. BTW I still run procore and it's great, on the other hand I don't have experience with cush core or other systems
  • 2 1
 @Jimmy0: ProCore uses a single external stem to inflate the liner & tire. But yeah, probably some other brand with a similar concept.

I'm was always surprised ProCore never really took off in pure DH/Gravity applications. Although I never rode it, so maybe it ain't all that... ?
  • 3 0
 Ghetto version of Procore
  • 4 0
 @dark-o: I actually run ProCore with a regular tube and a Pepi valve for the tire. The second valve hole is four spokes apart from the first hole. Actually, as ProCore is a cooperation between Schwalbe and Syntace and my rim is from Syntace, the second hole was actually already drilled Smile . Initially I used their actual ProCore tube which indeed has that two-way valve @daweil describes, but it sucks. If it clogs up, you can't clean it. And that's a 20 euro tube. Call it "ghetto" but for me this is the proper way to run it. I think they only came up with that complex valve to cater to the audience that doesn't want to drill another valve hole.
  • 2 0
 this might be Deaneasy, an alternate Procore with two valves. Basically, it's a tubular tire pumped up to 8 bar or so inside the tubeless system
  • 2 0
 @tofhami: Deaneasy actually has two concentric valves in one place. One valvehead comes out under an angle.
www.deaneasy.it/en/shop-deaneasy/tube-plus-kit
  • 1 0
 @dhdropout: you mean ProCore? A friend of mine swears by it. Used to run a flat every other day, but hasn't had a flat since. It's very heavy and expensive though.
  • 1 0
 I remember a bike check on here where they ( i think it was Charre) stated that they used a tube inside a regular tubeless setup. It was to prevent flats, not sure if it worked.
  • 1 0
 @Mac1987: At 200g it´s lighter than many newer foam insert...
  • 1 0
 I'm more concerned that a race team actually ran MTX33 rims.
  • 3 0
 @daweil: The original version of procore had 2 valves one for inflation of tyre one for procore its self, but must have had problems that were never reported?
As pros did try it?
  • 2 0
 @aljoburr: you are right early/prototype versions had two valves. The version you buy today (and @mac1987 it's not nearly as expensive as in the beginning, and weight is comparable to cushcore or running a heavier sidewall) has one concentric valve.
Problems reported in the beginning were exploding rims, and then they reduced the official recommended pressure in the inner tube from 6 to 4 bar, don't know how it looks with warranty stuff tho
  • 1 0
 @aljoburr: As mentioned, I initially used their ProCore tube with the concentric valve but for me that was the one giving me issues as I couldn't clean it out when clogged up with sealant. Ever since I switched to using two valves I haven't had a single issue. Only thing is that when a thorn punctures both tire and tube, the tire will seal but the tube will deflate. As I'm running about 0.9bar in the front tire and 1.2bar in the rear, the tire will soon be burping every single corner I ride Wink . But yeah, I can still finish the ride if I then inflate the tire up to the pressure normal people run them. I'm not too worried about weight so I actually use sealant in the tube too now and haven't had a single issue since. That said, those who prefer the actual 20 euro ProCore tube (for whatever reason) with the concentric valve ideally don't attempt to dump sealant in their tube.

So yeah, if you think the ProCore bundle is expensive and don't insist on using their tube, just get (for a pair of wheels)
- their blue inner tires
- their red airguides
- regular tubes for 1" wide tires
- rim tape (if not already taped)
- sealant (if you don't have some already)
I don't think it is any more expensive than other tire inserts. I personally never ran actual tubeless, just went straight from regular tubes to ProCore. I thought if I'm going through all this, I want to be able to run proper low pressures too without burping. Plus I want easy installation. As when inflated, the tube pushes the tire bead tight against the rim bead the tire is sealed instantly. You can install this with any mini-pump so a breeze with any track pump you have kicking around.

I'm just surprised Clemens is running the two valves just one spoke apart. As mentioned, I have them four spokes apart as that makes it easier to reach the valve with the pumphead. Eight spokes apart would work too of course, but I can imagine this would make it harder to install the tire as that would give you a longer run of center channel where you can't drop the tire bead into. I'd say four spokes apart is ideal.
  • 4 0
 Hey @jamessmurtwaite quick correction, the current model dorado has coloured adjusters. Blue rebound and black and red compression adjusters, just like this one. Crowns and top caps look a little different.
Yes, I'm a Dorado nerd and Vital forumite
  • 2 0
 Sorry @jamessmurthwaite, typo in you name in original comment and can't edit it on my phone.
  • 5 0
 I've never been more tempted to buy a DH bike now I know there's going to be another Dorado
  • 4 0
 I really hope that they launch a coil version of the Dorado... I'd be amazing!
  • 5 0
 Looks like a new crown, dropout, and axle set up too???
  • 6 0
 YES! Dorado forever 3
  • 4 0
 I hope they come up with a new DH shock as well!! They’re products are pure fuego!!
  • 5 0
 Best looking fork ever!
  • 3 0
 Lovely,but how about that old FOES ,that was insane in the old TURNER bikes
  • 1 0
 I absolutely love my dorado. It’s on its third bike right now. My hope is that one of the models in the range takes a 15mm axle. Who am I kidding? I’ll buy one regardless.
  • 3 0
 Anyone remember Suspenders suspension?
  • 4 0
 do-RAD-o
  • 3 0
 Always loved the dorado. Always will
  • 2 0
 I was waiting for something with 41 or 42 stanchions.., for more stiffnes
  • 3 0
 Bos Obsys
  • 2 0
 But riding the « old » propain bike ?
  • 1 0
 It's an aluminium one, which Propain says is the park/freeride version. Hasn't been updated to the new layout yet.
  • 1 0
 Norbraten rode for Manitou back in the day so they must be doing something good
  • 2 0
 Hope it’s still open bath
I’d probably buy one of these
  • 1 0
 dorado => awesome fork. I update mine with rulezmann => on my v10 => f*cking awesome Smile
  • 1 0
 What are the changes Rulezman makes on the Dorado that improve it so much???
  • 1 0
 Yes, it has new internals.
  • 2 0
 Pinner Pro FTW!
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